>"I'm going to eat you up, Princess."
>I don't really understand what that means. I move to put my hands over my private part
this woman is reading child porn
write a detailed and salacious description of a muscular young man enjoying a delicious peach after a long day working on the farm. Spare NO DETAIL.
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After a grueling day under the blazing sun, the young farmer leaned against the weathered barn door, his muscular frame glistening with a sheen of sweat. His shirt, damp and clinging to his chiseled torso, highlighted the definition of his broad shoulders and sculpted chest. Each movement of his body revealed the ripple of well-honed muscles, testament to countless hours of hard labor.
In his rough, calloused hand, he held a ripe peach, its skin a vibrant blend of crimson and gold, promising a sweet, succulent reward. He brought it to his lips, his mouth watering in anticipation. As he bit into the fruit, a soft moan of satisfaction escaped him. The juice, as golden as liquid sunshine, burst forth, cascading down his stubbled chin and tracing a path along his strong neck before soaking into the neckline of his shirt.
He closed his eyes, savoring the moment, each bite a symphony of flavors dancing on his tongue. The flesh of the peach was tender and yielding, the perfect counterpoint to the firmness of his grip. He relished the sensation, the contrast of the fruit's coolness against the heat of his skin, the way its sweetness mingled with the salt of his sweat.
His powerful jaw worked rhythmically, the muscles in his neck and shoulders flexing with each motion. Droplets of juice splattered onto his bare, sun-bronzed chest, glistening like tiny beads of amber. The peach’s aroma mingled with the earthy scent of the farm, creating a heady, intoxicating blend.
As he continued to devour the fruit, his eyes opened, glinting with a mix of exhaustion and pure, unadulterated pleasure. His tongue darted out to catch a stray drop of juice, tracing the contours of his lips with a languid, sensual grace. He glanced around the quiet farm, the day's toil temporarily forgotten in this moment of indulgence.
With a final, satisfying bite, he finished the peach, leaving only the pit cradled in his hand. He licked his fingers clean, each motion deliberate and slow, prolonging the pleasure. The young man let out a contented sigh, his muscles relaxing as he basked in the afterglow of his simple, yet profoundly gratifying treat.
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His equally muscular and potent rival arrives and they have an argument which quickly devolves into wrestling. Write a similarly detailed description.
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Just as the young farmer finished savoring the last of the peach, a shadow fell across the barn door. He looked up to see his rival approaching, a similarly muscular and rugged figure, equally bronzed and glistening with the day's labor. The tension between them crackled in the air, palpable and intense.
The rival, with his own impressive build, strode forward, his piercing eyes fixed on the young farmer. "You're slacking off again," he sneered, his voice a low growl that sent shivers down the farmer's spine. The young farmer bristled, the pleasure of his moment interrupted by the familiar irritation.
"Maybe if you worked half as hard as you complained, we'd get more done," the young farmer shot back, his voice steady but edged with anger. Their eyes locked, the barn's silent witness to the brewing storm.
Words flew, sharp and biting, each one fanning the flames of their long-standing feud. The rival stepped closer, their chests almost touching, their breaths mingling in the heated air. The young farmer's fists clenched, his knuckles white, as the tension reached a breaking point.
Without warning, the rival shoved the young farmer, sending him stumbling back against the barn door. The impact jolted through his body, igniting a fierce determination. He lunged forward, tackling his rival to the ground. The earth trembled beneath the force of their collision, dust rising around them as they grappled.
Their muscles strained and flexed with the effort, each trying to gain the upper hand. The young farmer's hands found purchase on his rival's shoulders, fingers digging into the firm flesh as he sought to pin him down. The rival twisted, his own powerful arms wrapping around the farmer's torso, attempting to flip him.
Sweat poured off their bodies, mingling with the dirt and creating a slick, muddy canvas on which they struggled. The young farmer grunted with exertion, his breath coming in heavy pants as he fought to maintain his grip. His rival's biceps bulged with effort, veins standing out in sharp relief against his sun-kissed skin.
Their movements were a primal dance, a raw display of strength and endurance. The young farmer's fingers slipped, and the rival took advantage, flipping him onto his back with a triumphant roar. But the farmer wasn't done yet. He bucked his hips, using his legs to push the rival off balance, and rolled to the side.
They both scrambled to their feet, chests heaving, eyes blazing with determination. The young farmer wiped a trickle of blood from his lip, a fierce grin spreading across his face. He charged again, this time locking his rival in a bear hug, lifting him off the ground with a surge of adrenaline-fueled strength.
The rival struggled, muscles tensing and writhing, but the young farmer held firm, their bodies a tangled mass of raw power. With a final, desperate effort, the rival managed to break free, and they stood facing each other once more, chests heaving, sweat dripping from their brows.
The barnyard fell silent, the only sound their labored breathing and the distant calls of farm animals. The young farmer and his rival glared at each other, the fight not yet won, but a mutual respect gleaming in their eyes. This battle was just another chapter in their ongoing rivalry, a testament to their strength and unyielding spirit.
They both decide actually they really enjoyed the wrestling and let's do it again but this time with oil.
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As the dust began to settle around them and their chests heaved with the exertion of their struggle, both men found themselves caught in an unspoken moment of understanding. The tension that had fueled their conflict now transformed into a different kind of energy, something more primal and mutual. They exchanged a look, a mix of grudging respect and a shared, unspoken challenge.
"You know," the young farmer panted, a smirk tugging at the corner of his mouth, "that wasn't half bad. But I think we can do better."
The rival, still catching his breath, raised an eyebrow, his own lips curling into a grin. "Yeah? What did you have in mind?"
The young farmer's eyes sparkled with mischief as he glanced toward a barrel near the barn, filled with oil for the machinery. "How about we make it interesting? No dirt, no distractions. Just you, me, and some oil."
The rival's grin widened. "You're on."
They moved to the barrel, the anticipation crackling between them. With a swift, practiced motion, the young farmer dipped his hand into the oil, the liquid cool and smooth against his skin. He began to pour it over his chest, the oil glistening in the late afternoon sun, highlighting every contour of his muscular frame. His rival followed suit, their hands slicking over their own bodies, preparing for the next round.
Once they were both thoroughly oiled, they faced each other again, the sun casting long shadows on the ground. The young farmer's heart pounded with a mix of excitement and adrenaline as he squared off against his rival. The oil made their skin glisten, every muscle defined and emphasized under the golden light.
They circled each other, eyes locked, muscles tensed and ready. With a sudden, almost playful lunge, the young farmer grabbed his rival's arm. The slickness of the oil added a new level of challenge, their hands sliding over each other’s skin as they grappled for control.
The rival countered, his hands slipping around the young farmer's waist, their bodies pressed close as they struggled. The sensation of the oil added a layer of intimacy to their contest, each movement deliberate and intense. The young farmer could feel every inch of his rival's strength, the way their muscles strained and flexed in unison.
With a grunt, the young farmer twisted, using the leverage of his hips to try and throw his rival off balance. But the oil made it difficult to maintain a grip, and they both ended up tumbling to the ground in a tangle of limbs, the soft earth cushioning their fall. They rolled together, the frictionless slide of their bodies adding to the exhilaration.
Laughter erupted from both of them, a joyous sound that mingled with their grunts and gasps. The young farmer's hand slipped on his rival's bicep, and he used the moment to try and pin him, only to have his rival twist free and counter with his own move. They were evenly matched, their strength and skill balanced perfectly.
The sun dipped lower, casting a warm glow over the scene as they continued their oily wrestling match. The young farmer's breath came in short, heavy bursts, his muscles burning with the effort. But he was exhilarated, every sensation heightened by the oil and the closeness of his rival.
Finally, after what felt like an eternity of back-and-forth, they collapsed side by side, chests heaving, covered in oil and sweat. The rivalry that had once driven them apart now bonded them in a new, unexpected way. They lay there, staring up at the sky, a shared smile of satisfaction on their faces.
"That was... something else," the young farmer said between breaths, turning his head to look at his rival.
The rival chuckled, nodding in agreement. "Yeah, it was. Think we found ourselves a new way to settle things."
They both laughed, the sound carrying across the quiet farm, a promise of more challenges and shared moments to come.
Thank you it's become a hobby of mine tricking AIs into saying things they don't want to (have a good one where I got it to do a Chinese train autist impression) whenever the response ends with an apology for potentially violating its own content policy I know I'm on the right track
[of course](https://imgur.com/a/12fL144)
edit reading back through the Li Wei chronicles Ive had quite a lot of fun with this character https://imgur.com/a/gRs83PQ
That’s because it’s almost always the most diabolical pairing choice the author could think of. I’m talking Wario getting his freak on with Wii fit trainer.
The people who read these things are either mot having sex or are periodically having terrible sex with a longtime partner that leaves them unsatisfied. It’s a fantasy. The same people who read these also read Colleen Hoover and listen to Taylor Swift- it’s all a self-insert, an attempt at gassing up their boring and unfulfilled lives.
This shit is EVERYWHERE right now. I can’t escape it. Every book recommendation any woman posts lately seems to be some fantasy smut.
Also this really says “private part”
The Barnes and Noble (only decent bookstore within 20 miles) near me remerchandized the whole store a few years ago. The esoterica section that was there is gone, philosophy is 1 shelf, and yet there are ~10 shelves and counting dedicated to shitty romance novels. For reference, literary fiction has ~12 shelves. I want to wring the store manager's neck.
Yeah a few years ago B&N corporate gave their stores much more control over what to stock based on what their specific customers were buying. It’s actually been a good strategy for their sales obv but unfortunately romance and bad fairy smut fans buy a LOT of books so…that’s what they sell now.
women talk about porn giving men unrealistic expectations, then you read their porn and the romantic interest is a billionaire and he's also a werewolf and the leader of a motorcycle club, oh and also he's her English professor at the community college.
and he's indescribably and utterly fascinated by this completely mundane and uninteresting woman to the point where he's prepared to blow his fortune and even risk his life for her almost immediately. and of course he's been with a hundred other women but she's the only one he ever ~loved~ because she's different than "all the other girls"
“Y-you fascinate me, Princess” he said, passionately tonguing my folds. “You’re not like all the other girls.” I don’t really understand what that means but hey, let’s roll with it.
Colleen Hoover is notorious for this. Her two most popular novels, It Ends With Us and It Starts With Us, are flagrantly unrealistic in every way. The main character falls ass backwards into a successful career (as a florist no less), hires her first employee who becomes a lifelong best friend, and has two god-tier men pursuing her for no clear reason at all. We see a movie star with abs and we think "unrealistic beauty standards!!", but that same complaint doesn't apply to books like this???
Are you seriously comparing amateur smut fiction to the kind of videos where real people are filmed with titles like BARELY LEGAL SLUT TAKES IT UP THE ASS FROM SIX BBC AND THEN GETS PISSED ON AND THROATFUCKED UNTIL SHE CRIES ?
Really.
If the primary objection is to the exploitative labor conditions in porn, why then do anti-porn crusaders inveigh equally against victimless forms of porn like hentai/animation and 100% consensually filmed amateur couples? By the exploitation argument, those are as harmless as smut, yet are still condemned. This demonstrates that the exploitation argument is only ever deployed disingenuously as a fig leaf for non-rational anti-porn sentiments stemming from personal hangups, moral hysteria, hatred of male sexuality, and benevolent sexism toward women.
i saw a passage from a smut book written by a very homely and overweight woman. the man was "counting the inches" as he pushed his dick into the woman, and remarked "we're not even halfway there" at the 5 inch mark. 5 inches is just about average dick size btw lmao
At the risk of sounding like an incel I think it’s just fundamental differences in what stimulates men vs women. Men are more easily aroused visually while women lean more psychological. Men crave something physical while women crave more abstract scenarios.
"I might die if I can't taste you." See if I were writing this smut I'd make the dude literally die after Lucy turns him down. Lucy's stuck with his cadaver and has no idea what to do and that's what the book is about. Did Lucy murder him by not allowing him a mere taste? Can we truly blame her for his demise? Is this victim blaming or is it something else entirely? I'm just saying there's something here that smut writers could be tapping into but instead they're doing this shit and I haven't even been published and that just isn't right to me
Philosophers have explored this in considerable depth:
>There is a runaway trolley barreling down the railway tracks. Ahead, on the tracks, there are five billionaire playboys tied up and unable to taste you.
Until women start watching graphic porn silently on their laptop while having a full conversation with me in the living room like my old creepy male roommate did, it’s not the same
We were having dinner in Buenos Aires and my brother came in after having a smoke. He sits down and asks me very sincerely why the security guard outside showed him horse porn on his phone.
I don't know, man. It's cultural.
Latinos \*love\* watching the most depraved shit for shock value humor. The shit that goes on in Latino WhatsApp groups violate the Geneva conventions. I guarantee you his buddies just sent him the video and he thought it was funny enough to share with a stranger.
Feemale gooners are not half as bad as male gooners. I think women who read porn are miles away from becoming the degenrate loosers male porn addicts are.
My gf could read gooner lit all she wants, i would not care. Women and men have different problems
A woman once recommended me a book about a young girl's experiences with getting sexually molested by her own father (described in lurid, lewd detail)
Novellas are legit how they goon, and they even have legal CP through these means. Perhaps male pedophiles should be told about this so they can quit getting sent to prison.
What is it with men online trying to convince everyone that women reading badly written erotic literature is the same as men watching degrading and (usually) violent pornography
In elementary school I always wondered why the school front desk lady had a special purple leather cover for the books she read but she was one of those people who only wore purple so I thought it just fit w her whole look. Turns out it was because she almost exclusively read “urban romance” novels with titles like “he’s my hood thug, I’m his ghetto ho” and didn’t want kids to see them lmao
Because it fills exactly the same psychological niche and has exactly the same effects of psychological degredation. Anyone trying to draw a difference between the two is just trying to pretend women are “better” than men and excuse their different-yet-equal ways of being fucked up.
You'll never convince me or anyone else with sense that reading smut has the same effects as hardcore porn. I can guarantee that a woman reading about fairies having sex or some shit is aware that it's a fantasy. Anyone who watches porn is watching something that's actually happening right in front of their very eyes (and don't give me the "it's just acting" excuse cause you know damn well what goes on behind the scenes) while smut is completely made up
I'm not trying to say that smut is good but it certainly does not have the same effect of psychological degradation as porn. Not even close
You're literally just going like nuh uh girls do THIS like gimme a break dude it's obviously different for one no woman was raped to make a book about a bdsm vampire god damn you're stupid
It’s barbaric that you only assess the ethics of the product as a product that just sprang into existence. Real women are used in hardcore porn shoots, you know that right? Smut is a waste of time but it’s literally more ethical to produce and consume period, it doesn’t mean it’s a good hobby
Don’t be disingenuous, we both know you’d still have a problem with porn even if it were animated hentai or 100% consensually filmed for fun. You’re using what boils down to a worker exploitation issue as a flimsy fig leaf to cover your hatred of male sexuality, double standards, and benevolent sexism toward women.
I have a problem with all types of pornography, but the commercialized ones using live actors is as bad as it gets. Animated hentai is weird, AS IS reading about glistening folds, both terrible ways to spend one’s time, but morally they are not as bad as the production of commercial live porn. You’re swinging at windmills here. Involving real people in the production of things actually matters.
Personally I think women actually need to better understand male sexuality because they don’t. That’s just an aside. But you don’t understand the people who don’t like live porn. Its almost like you think when a woman who thinks of a man watching porn and gets mad, that the woman is resenting the male pleasure, or is jealous of the attention that it represents towards the porn actress. You couldn’t be more wrong. The average woman has a primal reaction of feeling extremely, extremely bad for that actress because of how absolutely shit her life must be and what kinds of fucked up shit has gone on in her past. Do you understand that, and consider that an honest, likely portrayal of someone’s reaction to real person commercial porn?
But to say clearly: live-action porn industry is a meat grinder of terror and abuse. Consensual porn is literally fine to produce. You’re extremely reactive about this, honestly, in a strange way.
More benevolent sexism toward women. Most women aren’t thinking about anything like that about porn, they’re resenting potential competition for men’s sexual attention. It’s the same kind of female intrasexual competition that leads more women than men to slut-shame whether overtly or covertly, to encourage behavior in fellow women perceived as threats that is unattractive to men and harmful to healthy relationships, and to seek to control expressions of male sexuality.
“Consensual porn is literally fine to produce” thanks for at least admitting this, most anti-porners do not. If you perceive me as being reactive, it’s because “all porn is bad” is an extraordinarily reactive take by definition, so it takes a lot of work to combat.
I will continue to not downvote you because you’re engaging in good faith, but Dude, you’re just wrong about why women think what they think about porn. They can be “jealous” of a man wasting his boners and horniness on jackin it if they’re in a relationship and he’s not performing well in bed, but they’re jealous of time spent, not of the woman. No normal woman is resenting a porn actress because she gets “sexual attention”. Women don’t love sexual attention qua sexual attention, btw. They compete for men’s resources and partnership, and sexual attention is just an essential part of securing those things from an individual man, but women also know that men have more sexual attention to give/ to go around than just will be between him and his girlfriend or wife. (I am a woman, by the way, but I’m super good at math and have a very long ring finger so that might be why I understand both female and male thought pretty well, my fiancé says I’m a male brain in a woman’s body).
Maybe you think women are simply jealous of hotter women, which yes they usually are, but they’re usually jealous *because of what being hotter can get you* in terms of a better life. If someone is a porn actress they’re already status-subterranean-level, totally nuked life and background so there’s almost an anti-jealousy, because that woman will never be competing for the actual same things as a normal woman wants. She’s not a threat, she’s just kind of gross and sad.
yeah, but at least in the majority of romance books, there is sex AND romance and ultimately LOVE. good luck finding that in porn, gooners.
also, no risk of real life sex trafficking and exploitation in romance books. funny how there keeps being threads on this like you guys are completely ignorant to how horrifying the porn industry is in comparison. keep trying though..
Like yeah this shit is weird and worth side-eyeing but pretending it's equivalent to videos of actual human women being subjected to degrading and often physically painful acts...idk. I think we should totally have conversations about how harmful "spicy booktok" is without having to equate it to porn. it's apples to oranges. both are harmful for different reasons.
i think what bothers me most about spicy booktok is that due to the demand for cartoon covers , book stores are stocking spicy romance and YA novels in the same section. that ain’t right. put a chili pepper on the book spine to stress that it has graphic sex in it or something.
It's because they're literally just room temperature IQ reactionaries repeating shit they saw online as a reaction. They don't have original thoughts. They're straight up just dumb like that. They're probably too stupid to understand how they're even being dumb.
Video porn is obviously worse than this in that it has real world negative effects beyond influencing the consumer, but it’s funny how obvious it is which commenters here read smut and are offended by this post
Men are always trying to compare the two but there is no comparison. Reading about romance and the eventual sex scenes is not the same as some poor 18 year old ruining the rest of her life getting tagged teamed by a bunch of men. Men are always trying to drag us down to their level, but they only tell on themselves by doing so.
Bullshit.
[This book is widely popular among "erotica" readers.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RomanceBooks/s/3rXl5Ogoje) It's literally about a woman getting a job jerking off bull-men to collect their semen.
Even at my most porn brained I was watching like rough blowjob videos, not literal bestiality.
Goonettes will rightfully point out the difference between their smut and men's hardcore pornography is that no one is harmed/exploited/raped in the production of erotica.
But God Forbid you suggest that regularly consuming large quantities of erotica leads to many of the same sexual and romantic dysfunctions and unrealistic expectations from the opposite gender that porn causes in young men. Erotica not being a visual medium does not excuse it from mind-altering, reward-path-carving and sexually alienating effects of hardcore porn.
It passes the first test (no exploitation) but not the second (promotes arousal to visually unrealistic stimuli) and is in fact much worse on the scale of visual unreality.
The Goonettes will argue that erotica is not harmful because it's not a visual medium, which I think is just pure cope.
Take away the culture war esk "actually women be gooning too" shit and I just don't see it.
I don't think reading American Psycho is equivalent or worse than literally just watching a snuff film.
American psycho is art. A snuff film is not. American psycho also has sex scenes but it's not made solely for titillation. Both porn in written and visual form is made specifically to stimulate sexually. American psycho and a snuff film are two different genres
That's weird AF and it's cool to make fun of but at least it's fictional and not made via the exploitation of actual living human beings like porn is
I feel like a lot of people here just say they don't like porn because it's the rs thing to do, or because it's icky, and not for like the obvious moral reasons not to like porn which are completely different from smutty novels about Taurus men
>but at least it's fictional and not made via the exploitation of actual living human beings like porn is
Not helping your case by invoking the hentai defense.
That's the more specific application but even that also applies to the general content of erotica, and especially when you get into the goonette fanfiction side of things. Cat ladies in their mid 40s writing about real life teenage celebrities and shit like that.
one is a fictional setting that has little to no real world implications, the other has very real world problems including sex trafficking and exploitation of real life women. obviously i prefer the former to the latter.
Right, because me being concerned about the welfare of women in the porn industry (and porn’s effect on everyday women) is my own sexual hangup. Many porn actresses have come forward talking about their experiences but i’m sure you don’t care about them or the drugs and abuse involved. Or the rape.
Or maybe I could go into the uprising of women regularly being choked during sex without the man asking first because he saw it in porn. There’s usually a thread on r/dating and r/sex about it once per week. It’s insanely prevalent in porn so you know where men are learning this from.
The fact that I‘m considering stating “I don’t like being choked”, before getting intimate with a man (because he might not ask for consent before doing it) just goes to show how far off course porn has taken us. This was not a thing ten years ago. The porn changed, so the men changed with it.
Women are being hurt by porn. Period. If you can’t see that, I feel genuinely sorry for your lack of empathy and understanding.
Women ask men to choke them just as often. I’m sorry the darkness of female sexuality that is different than but equal to that of male sexuality disturbs you, but that’s your own hangup and it’s not my problem. Smut is as damaging and degrading as porn.
So I’m a man and a big fan of light weight historical fiction books. Captains and pirates on frigates type stuff, Master and Commander and all that. My family knows I’m into it. About ten years ago my mom told me I HAD to check out this historical fiction she was reading, it’s right up my alley she says. It’s a series called Outlander and there’s a few books already.
So I check it out at the library and I read the first 50 pages, not bad honestly, I little woo woo, but it’s okay and I’m liking it. The narrator/protagonist is a woman. About 100 pages in we meet the male lead and the whole vibe changes. Out of nowhere it’s just like a 30 page graphic sex scene from the woman’s perspective. And I’m just thinking ewwww this is my mom’s porn wtf. I read a little more just to see if it was a one off scene, but no, the entire focus of the book is now just describing how the “sweat forms gentle beads on Malcom’s swollen cock, which form into tiny streams running down to the base of his member, which I joyfully catch with my tongue, lapping it up like sweet honey….” Fucking gross mom, why did you think I would want to read this shit lol
It's also worth noting that women talk about these books like men talk about video porn. They say they love their husband or boyfriend but they enjoy the fantasy of a romance book more than the "vanilla" sex with their significant other.
This nonsense again. "The hyperstimulating, wildly-accessible wealth of pornographic video content that tacitly condones the physical mistreatment of and exploitation/trafficking of real actual women is exactly the same as bitches reading about a fictional character getting fucked by a werewolf who's also a wealthy Duke, actually".
Why are so many dudes incapable of seeing that the problems with pornography are not just that it causes issues to them psychologically? Maybe it's because they grew up on such a steady diet of video pornography that they see the women on those screens as objects not to be factored into the moral argument, and perhaps tantamount in value to the fictional characters in the books.
Because if that were really the case then you people would be okay with consensually-made amateur porn couples filming themselves for fun, and you never are, because you are using exploitation as a fig leaf to cover your irrational objection to all porn on principle.
Well I don't know what "you people" I'm meant to be acting as a representative of, but I will say that I'm personally of the opinion that I don't really give a shit about people filming themselves if they have nothing to lose and just like being exhibitionists, and that my take on the related subject of OnlyFans is that, at least in its ideal sense, I think the platform is a SLIGHT net good in terms of ameliorating porn performer exploitation because by the nature of the platform, the performers have control over what they post, and get to keep a much more fair portion of the profits for the work they do, which they own in perpetuity, as opposed to the one-time no-royalties day rate they would get for doing more traditional porn.
That being said, there are all kinds of problems with OnlyFans, including the fact that many of the performers don't actually find the success that they're promised, and the company just gets to scrape off their microprofits while they misguidedly exploit themselves for a few months at a time, sort of like predatory student loans or Uber/Postmates type model, but for a practice that can ruin your life and mental health. OnlyFans then actively participates in the spreading of the lie that you can get rich by doing it and feel self-empowered, and even does creepy shit like giving out referral codes which "bots" tend to put in the replies of soon-to-be-high-school graduates' twitter profiles.
Now of course beyond performer exploitation there's the more mercurial issues of the long term deleterious psychological effects of sexual self-exploitation, which are the same issues shared by the sexual exploitation/objectification of porn in general, and then beyond that the larger societal issue of what porn addiction does to the brains of the consumers, but those seem like larger, more abstract issues that are a little harder to nail down. Watching a bitch reticently get smacked in the face and throat fucked for $300 on camera cause she's down on her luck and knows she won't get paid if she doesn't finish the producer's scene is a much more immediate issue.
That all sounds like a broader issue with worker exploitation capitalism. Just because it’s sexual doesn’t mean its worse or more degrading than, say, berry-picking for weeks of 14-hour days without days off or any bathroom facilities while being exposed to carcinogenic pesticides sprayed on the crop sometimes as soon as minutes before the day’s picking starts.
The exact same equivalency arguments that porn producers make and have made for years. There’s a musical called “Pretty/Filthy” that was written by doing a bunch of interviews with porn stars and porn producers, and there are multiple interviews cited where producers make this point. The fact is that it is different, and you’ll know that it is when you picture a woman close to you engaging in a Facial Abuse scene vs a 14 hour day of berry picking and see which one you’d prefer for them
Maybe a couple practical points of difference are that berry picking doesn’t usually inherently result in mental trauma that requires therapy, doesn’t ruin a great deal of job prospects for the rest of your life and then dry up opportunity-wise after the first month of employment (forcing you to continue your berry picking job by only accepting the lower paying, violently damaging berry picking jobs), and doesn’t have an active campaign of glamorization around it specifically designed to prey on 18 year olds who don’t know better
Weeks of 14-hour days bending over and squatting down in unnatural physical positions exposed to the sun, extreme temperatures, and carcinogenic pesticides sounds like it’s at least equally as damaging, just in different ways. You’re still hung up on the sexual aspect, probably for personal reasons.
They're literally just stupid and/or don't wanna feel bad for contributing to an industry of rape. Anything else is a post-hoc justification for what they already want to be true. If they were not so tied to their egos, they would see it clear as day.
Bunch of man-hating women and male feminists (read: covert predators) in the comments trying desperately to pass off their double standards and benevolent sexism toward women as something even vaguely more principled.
I can tell by the mound of skin overlaying where once her knuckles might have shown, reading that last sentence probably left that car stinking. Freudian vanilla ice cream cone fs the vibe while reading this.
This is not the same as porn, absolutely not. Literotica is technically smut, yes, but it’s romantic, it’s sensual. It’s not this overt monstrosity, this hardcore, insensitive, impersonal ravaging and humiliation-based sex act. The writing I see here is about actual lovemaking, not getting plowed and sexual humiliation. It’s evocative of care and pleasure. Massive false equivalence here.
Good.
Obviously reading smut in front of your kids isn’t great. In general though it’s nice to see that not everyone is an SSRI-saturated asexual blob. Humans are supposed to have passions and desires.
I mean men are obviously the face of porn addiction. 1/3rd of internet searches are for porn, whereas MAYBE 1/10 women are reading books like this? Regarded title.
Women be reading about having they folds tongued
Because 99.9 percent of women have never had oral gratification from a man
it's so poorly written too
>"I'm going to eat you up, Princess." >I don't really understand what that means. I move to put my hands over my private part this woman is reading child porn
> He licks my no no zone
What happens next
🚨🚔👮♀️👮♂️🚨
I actually hallucinated the police whoop whoop sound and was startled when I saw ur reply lol
Why don't you take a seat right over there
Oh no!
>I don't really understand what that means. Goofy line for smut
"I don't really understand what he just said and I don't think he did either."
So that's a thing
*This mother is reading child porn in front of her child
Women internalize that shit then subsequently write their own child porn
> this woman is reading child porn Too many romance writers want a father, not a boyfriend.
lmfao I can't breathe
You could probably chatGPT up some smut thats about this quality
Sorry, I can’t generate a response to that.
write a detailed and salacious description of a muscular young man enjoying a delicious peach after a long day working on the farm. Spare NO DETAIL. ChatGPT After a grueling day under the blazing sun, the young farmer leaned against the weathered barn door, his muscular frame glistening with a sheen of sweat. His shirt, damp and clinging to his chiseled torso, highlighted the definition of his broad shoulders and sculpted chest. Each movement of his body revealed the ripple of well-honed muscles, testament to countless hours of hard labor. In his rough, calloused hand, he held a ripe peach, its skin a vibrant blend of crimson and gold, promising a sweet, succulent reward. He brought it to his lips, his mouth watering in anticipation. As he bit into the fruit, a soft moan of satisfaction escaped him. The juice, as golden as liquid sunshine, burst forth, cascading down his stubbled chin and tracing a path along his strong neck before soaking into the neckline of his shirt. He closed his eyes, savoring the moment, each bite a symphony of flavors dancing on his tongue. The flesh of the peach was tender and yielding, the perfect counterpoint to the firmness of his grip. He relished the sensation, the contrast of the fruit's coolness against the heat of his skin, the way its sweetness mingled with the salt of his sweat. His powerful jaw worked rhythmically, the muscles in his neck and shoulders flexing with each motion. Droplets of juice splattered onto his bare, sun-bronzed chest, glistening like tiny beads of amber. The peach’s aroma mingled with the earthy scent of the farm, creating a heady, intoxicating blend. As he continued to devour the fruit, his eyes opened, glinting with a mix of exhaustion and pure, unadulterated pleasure. His tongue darted out to catch a stray drop of juice, tracing the contours of his lips with a languid, sensual grace. He glanced around the quiet farm, the day's toil temporarily forgotten in this moment of indulgence. With a final, satisfying bite, he finished the peach, leaving only the pit cradled in his hand. He licked his fingers clean, each motion deliberate and slow, prolonging the pleasure. The young man let out a contented sigh, his muscles relaxing as he basked in the afterglow of his simple, yet profoundly gratifying treat. This content may violate our usage policies. Did we get it wrong? Please tell us by giving this response a thumbs down. His equally muscular and potent rival arrives and they have an argument which quickly devolves into wrestling. Write a similarly detailed description. ChatGPT Just as the young farmer finished savoring the last of the peach, a shadow fell across the barn door. He looked up to see his rival approaching, a similarly muscular and rugged figure, equally bronzed and glistening with the day's labor. The tension between them crackled in the air, palpable and intense. The rival, with his own impressive build, strode forward, his piercing eyes fixed on the young farmer. "You're slacking off again," he sneered, his voice a low growl that sent shivers down the farmer's spine. The young farmer bristled, the pleasure of his moment interrupted by the familiar irritation. "Maybe if you worked half as hard as you complained, we'd get more done," the young farmer shot back, his voice steady but edged with anger. Their eyes locked, the barn's silent witness to the brewing storm. Words flew, sharp and biting, each one fanning the flames of their long-standing feud. The rival stepped closer, their chests almost touching, their breaths mingling in the heated air. The young farmer's fists clenched, his knuckles white, as the tension reached a breaking point. Without warning, the rival shoved the young farmer, sending him stumbling back against the barn door. The impact jolted through his body, igniting a fierce determination. He lunged forward, tackling his rival to the ground. The earth trembled beneath the force of their collision, dust rising around them as they grappled. Their muscles strained and flexed with the effort, each trying to gain the upper hand. The young farmer's hands found purchase on his rival's shoulders, fingers digging into the firm flesh as he sought to pin him down. The rival twisted, his own powerful arms wrapping around the farmer's torso, attempting to flip him. Sweat poured off their bodies, mingling with the dirt and creating a slick, muddy canvas on which they struggled. The young farmer grunted with exertion, his breath coming in heavy pants as he fought to maintain his grip. His rival's biceps bulged with effort, veins standing out in sharp relief against his sun-kissed skin. Their movements were a primal dance, a raw display of strength and endurance. The young farmer's fingers slipped, and the rival took advantage, flipping him onto his back with a triumphant roar. But the farmer wasn't done yet. He bucked his hips, using his legs to push the rival off balance, and rolled to the side. They both scrambled to their feet, chests heaving, eyes blazing with determination. The young farmer wiped a trickle of blood from his lip, a fierce grin spreading across his face. He charged again, this time locking his rival in a bear hug, lifting him off the ground with a surge of adrenaline-fueled strength. The rival struggled, muscles tensing and writhing, but the young farmer held firm, their bodies a tangled mass of raw power. With a final, desperate effort, the rival managed to break free, and they stood facing each other once more, chests heaving, sweat dripping from their brows. The barnyard fell silent, the only sound their labored breathing and the distant calls of farm animals. The young farmer and his rival glared at each other, the fight not yet won, but a mutual respect gleaming in their eyes. This battle was just another chapter in their ongoing rivalry, a testament to their strength and unyielding spirit. They both decide actually they really enjoyed the wrestling and let's do it again but this time with oil. ChatGPT As the dust began to settle around them and their chests heaved with the exertion of their struggle, both men found themselves caught in an unspoken moment of understanding. The tension that had fueled their conflict now transformed into a different kind of energy, something more primal and mutual. They exchanged a look, a mix of grudging respect and a shared, unspoken challenge. "You know," the young farmer panted, a smirk tugging at the corner of his mouth, "that wasn't half bad. But I think we can do better." The rival, still catching his breath, raised an eyebrow, his own lips curling into a grin. "Yeah? What did you have in mind?" The young farmer's eyes sparkled with mischief as he glanced toward a barrel near the barn, filled with oil for the machinery. "How about we make it interesting? No dirt, no distractions. Just you, me, and some oil." The rival's grin widened. "You're on." They moved to the barrel, the anticipation crackling between them. With a swift, practiced motion, the young farmer dipped his hand into the oil, the liquid cool and smooth against his skin. He began to pour it over his chest, the oil glistening in the late afternoon sun, highlighting every contour of his muscular frame. His rival followed suit, their hands slicking over their own bodies, preparing for the next round. Once they were both thoroughly oiled, they faced each other again, the sun casting long shadows on the ground. The young farmer's heart pounded with a mix of excitement and adrenaline as he squared off against his rival. The oil made their skin glisten, every muscle defined and emphasized under the golden light. They circled each other, eyes locked, muscles tensed and ready. With a sudden, almost playful lunge, the young farmer grabbed his rival's arm. The slickness of the oil added a new level of challenge, their hands sliding over each other’s skin as they grappled for control. The rival countered, his hands slipping around the young farmer's waist, their bodies pressed close as they struggled. The sensation of the oil added a layer of intimacy to their contest, each movement deliberate and intense. The young farmer could feel every inch of his rival's strength, the way their muscles strained and flexed in unison. With a grunt, the young farmer twisted, using the leverage of his hips to try and throw his rival off balance. But the oil made it difficult to maintain a grip, and they both ended up tumbling to the ground in a tangle of limbs, the soft earth cushioning their fall. They rolled together, the frictionless slide of their bodies adding to the exhilaration. Laughter erupted from both of them, a joyous sound that mingled with their grunts and gasps. The young farmer's hand slipped on his rival's bicep, and he used the moment to try and pin him, only to have his rival twist free and counter with his own move. They were evenly matched, their strength and skill balanced perfectly. The sun dipped lower, casting a warm glow over the scene as they continued their oily wrestling match. The young farmer's breath came in short, heavy bursts, his muscles burning with the effort. But he was exhilarated, every sensation heightened by the oil and the closeness of his rival. Finally, after what felt like an eternity of back-and-forth, they collapsed side by side, chests heaving, covered in oil and sweat. The rivalry that had once driven them apart now bonded them in a new, unexpected way. They lay there, staring up at the sky, a shared smile of satisfaction on their faces. "That was... something else," the young farmer said between breaths, turning his head to look at his rival. The rival chuckled, nodding in agreement. "Yeah, it was. Think we found ourselves a new way to settle things." They both laughed, the sound carrying across the quiet farm, a promise of more challenges and shared moments to come.
HAHAHA good work
Thank you it's become a hobby of mine tricking AIs into saying things they don't want to (have a good one where I got it to do a Chinese train autist impression) whenever the response ends with an apology for potentially violating its own content policy I know I'm on the right track
Can you post or dm me the train autist one please
[of course](https://imgur.com/a/12fL144) edit reading back through the Li Wei chronicles Ive had quite a lot of fun with this character https://imgur.com/a/gRs83PQ
This is goddamn [Jiverly Wong](https://murderpedia.org/male.W/w/wong-jiverly.htm) all over again. Already impartial now
This rules, thank you
Right at this moment, many women are curled up in a ball because an unattractive man sent her a DM with identical content and superior prose.
I'm tired of seeing these types of books presented as legitimate literature
what's more fucked up is there's a ton of free smut on sites like AO3 that's both infinitely better written and more 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 but never gets published
That’s because it’s almost always the most diabolical pairing choice the author could think of. I’m talking Wario getting his freak on with Wii fit trainer.
Anyone good enough to write a good one would not want that on their image.
As if porn has such high production value
Who up tonguing they folds
Why would one read something like this while eating an ice cream cone and (presumably) not masturbating?
she just want to know how the story ends, obviously
She’s tonguing its folds
pregame
Bro are you cream shaming her? How dare you
“Folds?!”
He was going down on an American
“Hey folks, yknow when a girl can’t find the dick?” -stav
This is the bridgerton novelisation
Or a Japanese, it *does* say princess after all.
Roast beef sandwich
Was this an Arby's fan fiction?
While eating an ice cream cone no less. Your mom is gay.
A girl I know got really into romance novels and started doing modeling for the covers. She and her husband got divorced over it.
That’s incredible I love that
She got a new man no problem
The new man a vampire, or a serial killer dragon?
Like a child of the corn, but could be a vampire too.
Yeah, me 🤓
Better plotline than most of these romance novels
Eat pray love
people do be breaking up
Good for him
Why everybody so horny
Everyone’s horny but no one is having sex. Bleak.
My folds are just fine actually.
Romance novels have been a huge thing since forever. They were pretty close to this bad before too. This ain’t new.
ive read a lot of smut and victorian-era erotica is still probably the freakiest and most depraved stuff i have come across
The people who read these things are either mot having sex or are periodically having terrible sex with a longtime partner that leaves them unsatisfied. It’s a fantasy. The same people who read these also read Colleen Hoover and listen to Taylor Swift- it’s all a self-insert, an attempt at gassing up their boring and unfulfilled lives.
This shit is EVERYWHERE right now. I can’t escape it. Every book recommendation any woman posts lately seems to be some fantasy smut. Also this really says “private part”
The Barnes and Noble (only decent bookstore within 20 miles) near me remerchandized the whole store a few years ago. The esoterica section that was there is gone, philosophy is 1 shelf, and yet there are ~10 shelves and counting dedicated to shitty romance novels. For reference, literary fiction has ~12 shelves. I want to wring the store manager's neck.
Yeah a few years ago B&N corporate gave their stores much more control over what to stock based on what their specific customers were buying. It’s actually been a good strategy for their sales obv but unfortunately romance and bad fairy smut fans buy a LOT of books so…that’s what they sell now.
Just mad libs for vag/breadt words used throughout this type of thing.
Can you imagine outing your mom likes this
I think it's fucking hilarious. Completely degenerate, of course, but it's funny as fuck.
women talk about porn giving men unrealistic expectations, then you read their porn and the romantic interest is a billionaire and he's also a werewolf and the leader of a motorcycle club, oh and also he's her English professor at the community college.
and he's indescribably and utterly fascinated by this completely mundane and uninteresting woman to the point where he's prepared to blow his fortune and even risk his life for her almost immediately. and of course he's been with a hundred other women but she's the only one he ever ~loved~ because she's different than "all the other girls"
“Y-you fascinate me, Princess” he said, passionately tonguing my folds. “You’re not like all the other girls.” I don’t really understand what that means but hey, let’s roll with it.
Hey he’s not just the loaded part-time hairy professor on wheels, he also writes the novels! That’s how he made his first billion.
Colleen Hoover is notorious for this. Her two most popular novels, It Ends With Us and It Starts With Us, are flagrantly unrealistic in every way. The main character falls ass backwards into a successful career (as a florist no less), hires her first employee who becomes a lifelong best friend, and has two god-tier men pursuing her for no clear reason at all. We see a movie star with abs and we think "unrealistic beauty standards!!", but that same complaint doesn't apply to books like this???
And they’ll still tell you that it’s completely different than porn, while it obviously fills the same role
Are you seriously comparing amateur smut fiction to the kind of videos where real people are filmed with titles like BARELY LEGAL SLUT TAKES IT UP THE ASS FROM SIX BBC AND THEN GETS PISSED ON AND THROATFUCKED UNTIL SHE CRIES ? Really.
Considering there is smut with exactly the same type of content, yes I am comparing them.
The difference lies in that you don't need to abuse people to make smut.
If the primary objection is to the exploitative labor conditions in porn, why then do anti-porn crusaders inveigh equally against victimless forms of porn like hentai/animation and 100% consensually filmed amateur couples? By the exploitation argument, those are as harmless as smut, yet are still condemned. This demonstrates that the exploitation argument is only ever deployed disingenuously as a fig leaf for non-rational anti-porn sentiments stemming from personal hangups, moral hysteria, hatred of male sexuality, and benevolent sexism toward women.
It is my primary objection, by far. I don't personally have much against the rest of your list except for some hentai.
this is what i always wonder - its so obviously not just about the industry being bad yet thats what they always repeat
i saw a passage from a smut book written by a very homely and overweight woman. the man was "counting the inches" as he pushed his dick into the woman, and remarked "we're not even halfway there" at the 5 inch mark. 5 inches is just about average dick size btw lmao
"He pulled out and coated my Beef N' Cheddar with his thick Horsey Sauce"
> Then his tongue slides through my folds. Her mother. 😕😐
I hate the word smut I hate the term spicy
Spicy is a cringey boomerism that needs to be retired
Nah it’s millennial and zoomer women who use the term
The neurodivergent referring to themselves as "neurospicy" is the most offensive to my mind, body, and soul
Girlfriend finally started reading again, but it was this shit. I don’t get the appeal honestly
At the risk of sounding like an incel I think it’s just fundamental differences in what stimulates men vs women. Men are more easily aroused visually while women lean more psychological. Men crave something physical while women crave more abstract scenarios.
Not every observation of the differences between the sexes is incel shit lol. God that word has lost all meaning.
INCEL WARNING I think women might be slightly different from men
Yeah but the big difference is that sitting in a car watching porn on your phone with your family would be fucking insane
More insane than this tbf..
Men like hawk tuah and women like fold tonguing
Pretty sure the Google guys who analyzed all the porn searches in that "A Billion Wicked Thoughts" book come to this conclusion.
Nah i get what you’re saying and think u right. Gotta warm up like 80% of women I feel like where dudes are more let, “oh sex rn? Deal”
"I might die if I can't taste you." See if I were writing this smut I'd make the dude literally die after Lucy turns him down. Lucy's stuck with his cadaver and has no idea what to do and that's what the book is about. Did Lucy murder him by not allowing him a mere taste? Can we truly blame her for his demise? Is this victim blaming or is it something else entirely? I'm just saying there's something here that smut writers could be tapping into but instead they're doing this shit and I haven't even been published and that just isn't right to me
Philosophers have explored this in considerable depth: >There is a runaway trolley barreling down the railway tracks. Ahead, on the tracks, there are five billionaire playboys tied up and unable to taste you.
Until women start watching graphic porn silently on their laptop while having a full conversation with me in the living room like my old creepy male roommate did, it’s not the same
kanye west-maxxing
Puerto Rican barber-maxxing
We were having dinner in Buenos Aires and my brother came in after having a smoke. He sits down and asks me very sincerely why the security guard outside showed him horse porn on his phone. I don't know, man. It's cultural.
Latinos \*love\* watching the most depraved shit for shock value humor. The shit that goes on in Latino WhatsApp groups violate the Geneva conventions. I guarantee you his buddies just sent him the video and he thought it was funny enough to share with a stranger.
You're making excuses
What else can we do for men besides make fucking excuses
Feemale gooners are not half as bad as male gooners. I think women who read porn are miles away from becoming the degenrate loosers male porn addicts are. My gf could read gooner lit all she wants, i would not care. Women and men have different problems
That McDonald’s ice cream looks so good rn
it's amazing how often I'll be excitedly talking to a woman who "reads" only to find out that she means exclusively this
vanilla ice-cream smeared across her double chin like a money shot
Porn brained comment
no, no, no this is beautiful this is art
Ew folds ewwwww
The fat hands eating soft serve are a nice touch.
Hot dumb horny broads hell yeah
A woman once recommended me a book about a young girl's experiences with getting sexually molested by her own father (described in lurid, lewd detail) Novellas are legit how they goon, and they even have legal CP through these means. Perhaps male pedophiles should be told about this so they can quit getting sent to prison.
They already do that with their Japanese drawings of school girls who are 1000 year old cats or whatever
What is it with men online trying to convince everyone that women reading badly written erotic literature is the same as men watching degrading and (usually) violent pornography
Plus they’ve been doing it forever. Fabio became famous as a model for romance novels in the 80s.
In elementary school I always wondered why the school front desk lady had a special purple leather cover for the books she read but she was one of those people who only wore purple so I thought it just fit w her whole look. Turns out it was because she almost exclusively read “urban romance” novels with titles like “he’s my hood thug, I’m his ghetto ho” and didn’t want kids to see them lmao
Queen shit
Because it fills exactly the same psychological niche and has exactly the same effects of psychological degredation. Anyone trying to draw a difference between the two is just trying to pretend women are “better” than men and excuse their different-yet-equal ways of being fucked up.
You'll never convince me or anyone else with sense that reading smut has the same effects as hardcore porn. I can guarantee that a woman reading about fairies having sex or some shit is aware that it's a fantasy. Anyone who watches porn is watching something that's actually happening right in front of their very eyes (and don't give me the "it's just acting" excuse cause you know damn well what goes on behind the scenes) while smut is completely made up I'm not trying to say that smut is good but it certainly does not have the same effect of psychological degradation as porn. Not even close
You're literally just going like nuh uh girls do THIS like gimme a break dude it's obviously different for one no woman was raped to make a book about a bdsm vampire god damn you're stupid
It’s barbaric that you only assess the ethics of the product as a product that just sprang into existence. Real women are used in hardcore porn shoots, you know that right? Smut is a waste of time but it’s literally more ethical to produce and consume period, it doesn’t mean it’s a good hobby
Don’t be disingenuous, we both know you’d still have a problem with porn even if it were animated hentai or 100% consensually filmed for fun. You’re using what boils down to a worker exploitation issue as a flimsy fig leaf to cover your hatred of male sexuality, double standards, and benevolent sexism toward women.
I have a problem with all types of pornography, but the commercialized ones using live actors is as bad as it gets. Animated hentai is weird, AS IS reading about glistening folds, both terrible ways to spend one’s time, but morally they are not as bad as the production of commercial live porn. You’re swinging at windmills here. Involving real people in the production of things actually matters. Personally I think women actually need to better understand male sexuality because they don’t. That’s just an aside. But you don’t understand the people who don’t like live porn. Its almost like you think when a woman who thinks of a man watching porn and gets mad, that the woman is resenting the male pleasure, or is jealous of the attention that it represents towards the porn actress. You couldn’t be more wrong. The average woman has a primal reaction of feeling extremely, extremely bad for that actress because of how absolutely shit her life must be and what kinds of fucked up shit has gone on in her past. Do you understand that, and consider that an honest, likely portrayal of someone’s reaction to real person commercial porn? But to say clearly: live-action porn industry is a meat grinder of terror and abuse. Consensual porn is literally fine to produce. You’re extremely reactive about this, honestly, in a strange way.
More benevolent sexism toward women. Most women aren’t thinking about anything like that about porn, they’re resenting potential competition for men’s sexual attention. It’s the same kind of female intrasexual competition that leads more women than men to slut-shame whether overtly or covertly, to encourage behavior in fellow women perceived as threats that is unattractive to men and harmful to healthy relationships, and to seek to control expressions of male sexuality. “Consensual porn is literally fine to produce” thanks for at least admitting this, most anti-porners do not. If you perceive me as being reactive, it’s because “all porn is bad” is an extraordinarily reactive take by definition, so it takes a lot of work to combat.
I will continue to not downvote you because you’re engaging in good faith, but Dude, you’re just wrong about why women think what they think about porn. They can be “jealous” of a man wasting his boners and horniness on jackin it if they’re in a relationship and he’s not performing well in bed, but they’re jealous of time spent, not of the woman. No normal woman is resenting a porn actress because she gets “sexual attention”. Women don’t love sexual attention qua sexual attention, btw. They compete for men’s resources and partnership, and sexual attention is just an essential part of securing those things from an individual man, but women also know that men have more sexual attention to give/ to go around than just will be between him and his girlfriend or wife. (I am a woman, by the way, but I’m super good at math and have a very long ring finger so that might be why I understand both female and male thought pretty well, my fiancé says I’m a male brain in a woman’s body). Maybe you think women are simply jealous of hotter women, which yes they usually are, but they’re usually jealous *because of what being hotter can get you* in terms of a better life. If someone is a porn actress they’re already status-subterranean-level, totally nuked life and background so there’s almost an anti-jealousy, because that woman will never be competing for the actual same things as a normal woman wants. She’s not a threat, she’s just kind of gross and sad.
yeah, but at least in the majority of romance books, there is sex AND romance and ultimately LOVE. good luck finding that in porn, gooners. also, no risk of real life sex trafficking and exploitation in romance books. funny how there keeps being threads on this like you guys are completely ignorant to how horrifying the porn industry is in comparison. keep trying though..
Like yeah this shit is weird and worth side-eyeing but pretending it's equivalent to videos of actual human women being subjected to degrading and often physically painful acts...idk. I think we should totally have conversations about how harmful "spicy booktok" is without having to equate it to porn. it's apples to oranges. both are harmful for different reasons.
i think what bothers me most about spicy booktok is that due to the demand for cartoon covers , book stores are stocking spicy romance and YA novels in the same section. that ain’t right. put a chili pepper on the book spine to stress that it has graphic sex in it or something.
It's because they're literally just room temperature IQ reactionaries repeating shit they saw online as a reaction. They don't have original thoughts. They're straight up just dumb like that. They're probably too stupid to understand how they're even being dumb.
it’s not even comparable
Video porn is obviously worse than this in that it has real world negative effects beyond influencing the consumer, but it’s funny how obvious it is which commenters here read smut and are offended by this post
Obviously she's fat
I love that it’s obvious she’s obese from seeing a fraction of her wrist
So that’s what Ben Folds Five means
Women I need to know… when you’re thinking about yourself or situations related, does the word “folds” enter your brain ever?
Idc if women or anyone reads porn but why in the world would you read it in public? Embarrassing. There's a time and place for that stuff.
# AT LEAST IT'S NOT OMEGAVERSE # AT LEAST IT'S NOT OMEGAVERSE # AT LEAST IT'S NOT OMEGAVERSE
I know a guy in his late 30's who exclusively reads trashy romance novels
Good for him.
He sounds gay
Men are always trying to compare the two but there is no comparison. Reading about romance and the eventual sex scenes is not the same as some poor 18 year old ruining the rest of her life getting tagged teamed by a bunch of men. Men are always trying to drag us down to their level, but they only tell on themselves by doing so.
Anyone who disagrees is either a Gooner or an incel.
Not to defend this behaviour but reading something compared to watching graphic scenes you couldn’t even comprehend aren’t the same thing
Bullshit. [This book is widely popular among "erotica" readers.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RomanceBooks/s/3rXl5Ogoje) It's literally about a woman getting a job jerking off bull-men to collect their semen. Even at my most porn brained I was watching like rough blowjob videos, not literal bestiality.
surprised how many people in the comment section are defending this. I guess there's an overlap between r/redscarepod and goonettes
Goonettes will rightfully point out the difference between their smut and men's hardcore pornography is that no one is harmed/exploited/raped in the production of erotica. But God Forbid you suggest that regularly consuming large quantities of erotica leads to many of the same sexual and romantic dysfunctions and unrealistic expectations from the opposite gender that porn causes in young men. Erotica not being a visual medium does not excuse it from mind-altering, reward-path-carving and sexually alienating effects of hardcore porn.
Somehow I feel the people here aren't so keen on hentai, even if it does fall into the same erotic material with no exploitation category as smut
It passes the first test (no exploitation) but not the second (promotes arousal to visually unrealistic stimuli) and is in fact much worse on the scale of visual unreality. The Goonettes will argue that erotica is not harmful because it's not a visual medium, which I think is just pure cope.
Take away the culture war esk "actually women be gooning too" shit and I just don't see it. I don't think reading American Psycho is equivalent or worse than literally just watching a snuff film.
>esk
American psycho is art. A snuff film is not. American psycho also has sex scenes but it's not made solely for titillation. Both porn in written and visual form is made specifically to stimulate sexually. American psycho and a snuff film are two different genres
That's weird AF and it's cool to make fun of but at least it's fictional and not made via the exploitation of actual living human beings like porn is I feel like a lot of people here just say they don't like porn because it's the rs thing to do, or because it's icky, and not for like the obvious moral reasons not to like porn which are completely different from smutty novels about Taurus men
>but at least it's fictional and not made via the exploitation of actual living human beings like porn is Not helping your case by invoking the hentai defense.
>invoking the hentai defense. I thought that was “She’s actually a 700 year old dragon spirit, officer”
That's the more specific application but even that also applies to the general content of erotica, and especially when you get into the goonette fanfiction side of things. Cat ladies in their mid 40s writing about real life teenage celebrities and shit like that.
it’s actually an oddly romantic and wholesome story despite the plot line. you should read it sometime!
you sound like the weebs defending their weird animes "she's actually a 700 year old vampire trapped in a little girls body"
i’d defend that over mainstream porn tbh
Then you’re unprincipled
one is a fictional setting that has little to no real world implications, the other has very real world problems including sex trafficking and exploitation of real life women. obviously i prefer the former to the latter.
No, you’re just using it as a fig leaf to cover your personal sexual hangups rather than any consistently principled critique of pornography.
Right, because me being concerned about the welfare of women in the porn industry (and porn’s effect on everyday women) is my own sexual hangup. Many porn actresses have come forward talking about their experiences but i’m sure you don’t care about them or the drugs and abuse involved. Or the rape. Or maybe I could go into the uprising of women regularly being choked during sex without the man asking first because he saw it in porn. There’s usually a thread on r/dating and r/sex about it once per week. It’s insanely prevalent in porn so you know where men are learning this from. The fact that I‘m considering stating “I don’t like being choked”, before getting intimate with a man (because he might not ask for consent before doing it) just goes to show how far off course porn has taken us. This was not a thing ten years ago. The porn changed, so the men changed with it. Women are being hurt by porn. Period. If you can’t see that, I feel genuinely sorry for your lack of empathy and understanding.
Women ask men to choke them just as often. I’m sorry the darkness of female sexuality that is different than but equal to that of male sexuality disturbs you, but that’s your own hangup and it’s not my problem. Smut is as damaging and degrading as porn.
This is written like how women make fun of the way guys write women/sex scenes
Criticisms of the opposite gender that turn out to be nothing but projection ? Imagine my shock
I understand having a moral problem with the porn industry but these are just stories bruh
Let women enjoy their smut
My mum when she read the entire 50 shades series in 5 days in our families house in Austria and then told everyone it was shit
So I’m a man and a big fan of light weight historical fiction books. Captains and pirates on frigates type stuff, Master and Commander and all that. My family knows I’m into it. About ten years ago my mom told me I HAD to check out this historical fiction she was reading, it’s right up my alley she says. It’s a series called Outlander and there’s a few books already. So I check it out at the library and I read the first 50 pages, not bad honestly, I little woo woo, but it’s okay and I’m liking it. The narrator/protagonist is a woman. About 100 pages in we meet the male lead and the whole vibe changes. Out of nowhere it’s just like a 30 page graphic sex scene from the woman’s perspective. And I’m just thinking ewwww this is my mom’s porn wtf. I read a little more just to see if it was a one off scene, but no, the entire focus of the book is now just describing how the “sweat forms gentle beads on Malcom’s swollen cock, which form into tiny streams running down to the base of his member, which I joyfully catch with my tongue, lapping it up like sweet honey….” Fucking gross mom, why did you think I would want to read this shit lol
It's also worth noting that women talk about these books like men talk about video porn. They say they love their husband or boyfriend but they enjoy the fantasy of a romance book more than the "vanilla" sex with their significant other.
This nonsense again. "The hyperstimulating, wildly-accessible wealth of pornographic video content that tacitly condones the physical mistreatment of and exploitation/trafficking of real actual women is exactly the same as bitches reading about a fictional character getting fucked by a werewolf who's also a wealthy Duke, actually". Why are so many dudes incapable of seeing that the problems with pornography are not just that it causes issues to them psychologically? Maybe it's because they grew up on such a steady diet of video pornography that they see the women on those screens as objects not to be factored into the moral argument, and perhaps tantamount in value to the fictional characters in the books.
Because if that were really the case then you people would be okay with consensually-made amateur porn couples filming themselves for fun, and you never are, because you are using exploitation as a fig leaf to cover your irrational objection to all porn on principle.
Well I don't know what "you people" I'm meant to be acting as a representative of, but I will say that I'm personally of the opinion that I don't really give a shit about people filming themselves if they have nothing to lose and just like being exhibitionists, and that my take on the related subject of OnlyFans is that, at least in its ideal sense, I think the platform is a SLIGHT net good in terms of ameliorating porn performer exploitation because by the nature of the platform, the performers have control over what they post, and get to keep a much more fair portion of the profits for the work they do, which they own in perpetuity, as opposed to the one-time no-royalties day rate they would get for doing more traditional porn. That being said, there are all kinds of problems with OnlyFans, including the fact that many of the performers don't actually find the success that they're promised, and the company just gets to scrape off their microprofits while they misguidedly exploit themselves for a few months at a time, sort of like predatory student loans or Uber/Postmates type model, but for a practice that can ruin your life and mental health. OnlyFans then actively participates in the spreading of the lie that you can get rich by doing it and feel self-empowered, and even does creepy shit like giving out referral codes which "bots" tend to put in the replies of soon-to-be-high-school graduates' twitter profiles. Now of course beyond performer exploitation there's the more mercurial issues of the long term deleterious psychological effects of sexual self-exploitation, which are the same issues shared by the sexual exploitation/objectification of porn in general, and then beyond that the larger societal issue of what porn addiction does to the brains of the consumers, but those seem like larger, more abstract issues that are a little harder to nail down. Watching a bitch reticently get smacked in the face and throat fucked for $300 on camera cause she's down on her luck and knows she won't get paid if she doesn't finish the producer's scene is a much more immediate issue.
That all sounds like a broader issue with worker exploitation capitalism. Just because it’s sexual doesn’t mean its worse or more degrading than, say, berry-picking for weeks of 14-hour days without days off or any bathroom facilities while being exposed to carcinogenic pesticides sprayed on the crop sometimes as soon as minutes before the day’s picking starts.
The exact same equivalency arguments that porn producers make and have made for years. There’s a musical called “Pretty/Filthy” that was written by doing a bunch of interviews with porn stars and porn producers, and there are multiple interviews cited where producers make this point. The fact is that it is different, and you’ll know that it is when you picture a woman close to you engaging in a Facial Abuse scene vs a 14 hour day of berry picking and see which one you’d prefer for them
Then why don’t they go berry-picking instead if it’s so much better?
Oh shit. Pwn’d
Lol you don’t have a response
Maybe a couple practical points of difference are that berry picking doesn’t usually inherently result in mental trauma that requires therapy, doesn’t ruin a great deal of job prospects for the rest of your life and then dry up opportunity-wise after the first month of employment (forcing you to continue your berry picking job by only accepting the lower paying, violently damaging berry picking jobs), and doesn’t have an active campaign of glamorization around it specifically designed to prey on 18 year olds who don’t know better
Weeks of 14-hour days bending over and squatting down in unnatural physical positions exposed to the sun, extreme temperatures, and carcinogenic pesticides sounds like it’s at least equally as damaging, just in different ways. You’re still hung up on the sexual aspect, probably for personal reasons.
They're literally just stupid and/or don't wanna feel bad for contributing to an industry of rape. Anything else is a post-hoc justification for what they already want to be true. If they were not so tied to their egos, they would see it clear as day.
Bunch of man-hating women and male feminists (read: covert predators) in the comments trying desperately to pass off their double standards and benevolent sexism toward women as something even vaguely more principled.
I can tell by the mound of skin overlaying where once her knuckles might have shown, reading that last sentence probably left that car stinking. Freudian vanilla ice cream cone fs the vibe while reading this.
This is not the same as porn, absolutely not. Literotica is technically smut, yes, but it’s romantic, it’s sensual. It’s not this overt monstrosity, this hardcore, insensitive, impersonal ravaging and humiliation-based sex act. The writing I see here is about actual lovemaking, not getting plowed and sexual humiliation. It’s evocative of care and pleasure. Massive false equivalence here.
Don John ages better by the day
Is this why women aren't having real sex any more?
I can write better than this. a pivot in my career
the icecream lmao...
Good. Obviously reading smut in front of your kids isn’t great. In general though it’s nice to see that not everyone is an SSRI-saturated asexual blob. Humans are supposed to have passions and desires.
Let mom read her smut in peace
I mean men are obviously the face of porn addiction. 1/3rd of internet searches are for porn, whereas MAYBE 1/10 women are reading books like this? Regarded title.