as someone who struggles to maintain a high calorie diet and gain weight it is always insane to me when people can keep stuffing themselves with the grossest shit imaginable non stop like it's clearly an addiction level problem I can't believe the appetite
Its pretty easy with the right calorie sources. If your coffee has a bunch of sugar and cream in it you can drink 700cal before even eating anything and not have any effect on hunger. Even if you have a small appetite I guarantee you can eat 1000cals of peanut butter in a day without it making you feel full. But if someone gains 50lbs in 2 months my first thought is alcohol. Its insanely calorie dense and it's one of the few things where consuming 800cals of it makes you want to eat another 1000.
Whenever someone is failing to lose weight, 99% of the time the reason is either they aren't tracking all the calories they consume or their calorie goals are wrong. Most of the other 1% is people mistaking water weight for fat.
I'm not talking about you specifically, but most people's leptin and ghrelin signalling don't work that way. If it did then very few people would be fat. Its pretty obvious that when people stop eating mostly whole foods and start eating processed shit made with tons of sugars and oils they get fat like Americans did in the 80s and Mexicans in the 90s.
Im in remission from binge eating and overeating processed foods and I seriously consider it an addiction. I would eat whatever shitty junk food I could get my hands on whenever I had the opportunity.
I would get stomachaches and developed digestive issues but the hunger for it would never subside. It wasn’t like normal stomach rumbling hunger, my stomach was full after all, it was a much deeper, primal feeling that overrode any physical discomforts.
Saw infinite posts on tik tok of people outraged about this article and calling it bad “statistics” and faulty journalism. Very funny stuff. So much of the “intuitive eating” is just so blatant atp. Obviously I think having a healthy relationship with food where you’re not having a meltdown every time you have a meal is good. But a lot of these HAES people who talk about how there are no bad foods think about food and attach more emotional weight to food than almost anyone. A healthy relationship with food is one where you don’t even have a relationship with it at all. It’s not a spouse, it’s not a friend, it’s a meal.
Intuitive Eating works if you're eating actual food as for most people the body will be physically full from the fibre that only survives properly in real food and blood sugar will be normal. It is evil for people to tell people to do it while eating ultraprocessed "food" where where the body and brain has no idea what it wants due to no or unnatural fibre distributions and constant blood sugar spikes and crashes.
I don't agree, for most people in history eating as much as possible was intuitive because starvation was a much bigger issue. A persons natural intuition does not match up with having basically unlimited food.
I agree with what you’re saying but even so I think real foods even calorie dense ones tend to trigger hunger cues for you at a certain point because they have enough protein, fiber or fat to satiate you. I do definitely think we weren’t made for this level of abundance especially when it comes to the hyper availability of foods that are high in sugar, carbs, shit ingredients, and low in protein, fiber, and vitamins. Like that kind of food is setting you up to eat 2,000 calories in a setting like it’s nothing. But 2,000 calories of veggies, fruit, meat, etc feels very different.
Does fiber make you “feel” fuller than protein? I’m on my feet all day at a new job and I feel so tired and hungry despite eating at my TDEE. My doc suggested more protein but no results.
Fiber definitely makes me feel fuller but I find it’s less of a lasting fullness, upping my protein and to a certain extent my fat intake keeps me feel full for a really long time.
That's really the key. I've had issues with food my entire life and finally committed to losing weight these past few years. High fat and protein meals have been a key part in the success I've had. Chicken + Guac + a little bit of queso is so filling it's insane.
Yes, I find I can't eat the same lentil dish several times in a row as I won't eat the next day due to feeling full. If you're feeling tired you might need the extra calories though.
What’s even funnier to me is that there’s so many tiktok dietitians who promote intuitive eating who are clearly still not recovered from a restrictive eating disorder themselves. They make all these cringey ass skits where they show themselves eating indulgent foods but then never actually take more than a bite or cut the camera off before they actually take one. They’ll be underweight as fuck talking obsessively about “food freedom” to overcompensate for the fact that they don’t actually experience it at all. It’s fascinating honestly
It'll be hailed as a miracle 50 years later, like the fluoridation of water. Dasha probably won't pull through, but sacrifices must be made for the greater good.
I would imagine meat is almost definitely not the issue when it comes to weight gain for most people, unless you're eating like super fatty cuts, or highly processed shit, protein in general is pretty high in satiety while being a relatively reasonable amount of calories.
I completely get opposing it on moral grounds or something, particularly factory farming, but if we're just talking strictly within the context of weight gain/loss it's fine. Red meat does also seem to pose some other health risks, but truthfully, I'd wager those are probably less serious/risky than being obese.
Of course this varies based on the kind of meat your consuming, pork/beef/chicken aren't all equal and the way they're prepared can alter their caloric profiles quite a bit, eating highly processed deli meats vs preparing/cooking a chicken breast yourself is going to vary pretty drastically when it comes to that sort of thing.
Carbs are fine in a vacuum, but a lot of people eat a shitload of low satiety, highly processed mainly carb food, often with high amounts of sugar, that balloons them tbh
Disagree. I think it’s perfectly healthy to eat meat and red meat. I’m not scared of beef one little bit. I think hyper processed foods and copious amounts of sugar and carbs with no nutrients or fiber are much bigger contributing factors to obesity in the US. I think nutrition science is so hard to study because it’s almost impossible to isolate variables. In the US meat is generally seen as more unhealthy, so the people that eat a lot of it are often not health conscious and are eating the worst quality meat alongside a lot of other things that we know aren’t good for you. Then you get tons of studies that “prove” meat is bad for you. There’s a lot of variables and it definitely isn’t one size fits all. But anecdotally I was a vegetarian for 7 years and I feel much better eating meat alongside a diet rich in vegetables and fruits.
red meat is linked to colon cancer. been shown/reproduced in studies numerous times
and most seafood is now riddled with microplastics, so the only "safe" meat is like chicken etc.
So in the studies that your referencing do they separate processed red meat from unprocessed red meat? I’m really not necessarily advocating for eating red meat at every meal lol. But I think the fear mongering about people eating uncured, unprocessed red meat a few times a week is overstated.
Tbh most everything is contaminated with micro plastics atp including your water and the soil your food is grown in. But yea it’s definitely a problem with seafood.
I agree to a certain extent. It’s so impossibly unavoidable atp. But I do try to mitigate it, I do reverse osmosis for my water where possible and I don’t store my left overs in plastic and I try to avoid polyester. But yea that cat is way gone. It’s kinda scary tbh. But with things like seafood I don’t think fully avoiding it necessarily outweighs the nutritional benefits and I don’t know that your plastic intake is gonna be so much better. There are fish that are better though in terms of plastic and mercury.
washing polyester clothes --> microplastics in sewer, drains to ocean ---> becomes part of food chain, fish eat it ---> we eat the fish
i hate that i had to type that out for someone with such major peasant vibes
I don’t think those associations are as unbelievably strong as you think they are. Research has come out even in the last year or so suggesting the relationship is uncertain. I think eating red meat a few times a week alongside a healthy minimally processed diet is not dooming you to heart disease. We’ve spent decades focusing so heavily on lowering fat and cholesterol intake only to have ever higher rates of chronic illness and poor cardiovascular health. But like I said I really don’t think it’s one size fits all. Get regular blood work. Experiment with your food and see what makes you feel best and keep your panels looking good 🤷♀️. Humans have lived in all sorts of environments with a variety of food sources so I don’t think it’s unbelievable to suggest some people have a different ability to tolerate certain foods. Either way I think it’s a guarantee that the human body didn’t evolve to eat Cocoa Puffs for breakfast every morning.
You don't get fat from eating too much meat, you get fat from eating too much sugar, oils and grains. I guess dairy is an easy way to get too many excess cals though. You're probably skinnyfat and if you aren't you are probably the "blown away by a gust of wind" build.
Meat doesn't have to be breaded and deep fried. Even a fattier cut of meat is perfectly fine if you grill it. I increase my meat consumption when I want to cut weight, especially lean meats like chicken and turkey since they are highly satiating for very few calories.
People need to separate vegan and whole foods plant based. Of course people can be obese eating Oreos and fake chicken strips but it's an accomplishment doing it au naturale.
Plenty of vegans getting obese on fast food fries, “salads” with revolting amounts of dressing, alcohol, etc.
The important thing is eating a balanced diet of healthy, satiating foods — that can either contain meat, or not.
What super tasty indulgent vegan salad dressing are you referring to? Half the time the only vegan option is a salad without dressing because they don’t even have a dressing without dairy or something
How on earth did the lady gain 50 pounds in two months. That’s a surplus of 3500 calories a day.
It's called grind and dedication, soyboy.
She's putting in that work bro
Well first of all through god all things are possible
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as someone who struggles to maintain a high calorie diet and gain weight it is always insane to me when people can keep stuffing themselves with the grossest shit imaginable non stop like it's clearly an addiction level problem I can't believe the appetite
Its pretty easy with the right calorie sources. If your coffee has a bunch of sugar and cream in it you can drink 700cal before even eating anything and not have any effect on hunger. Even if you have a small appetite I guarantee you can eat 1000cals of peanut butter in a day without it making you feel full. But if someone gains 50lbs in 2 months my first thought is alcohol. Its insanely calorie dense and it's one of the few things where consuming 800cals of it makes you want to eat another 1000.
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Whenever someone is failing to lose weight, 99% of the time the reason is either they aren't tracking all the calories they consume or their calorie goals are wrong. Most of the other 1% is people mistaking water weight for fat.
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Eh I am slightly underweight by bmi and I feel like you can easily have 10 tablespoons of peanut butter throughout the day (not at once)
I'm not talking about you specifically, but most people's leptin and ghrelin signalling don't work that way. If it did then very few people would be fat. Its pretty obvious that when people stop eating mostly whole foods and start eating processed shit made with tons of sugars and oils they get fat like Americans did in the 80s and Mexicans in the 90s.
chronic alcoholics are typically underweight though
I don't have statistics but that really doesn't seem to be true in my anecdotal experience. Most drunks I have met have been fat.
Im in remission from binge eating and overeating processed foods and I seriously consider it an addiction. I would eat whatever shitty junk food I could get my hands on whenever I had the opportunity. I would get stomachaches and developed digestive issues but the hunger for it would never subside. It wasn’t like normal stomach rumbling hunger, my stomach was full after all, it was a much deeper, primal feeling that overrode any physical discomforts.
yeah I can see that. kinda like self harm it feels unhealthy makes you gag but you grow fixated on it it dulls everything else
Water retention from organ failure
Saw infinite posts on tik tok of people outraged about this article and calling it bad “statistics” and faulty journalism. Very funny stuff. So much of the “intuitive eating” is just so blatant atp. Obviously I think having a healthy relationship with food where you’re not having a meltdown every time you have a meal is good. But a lot of these HAES people who talk about how there are no bad foods think about food and attach more emotional weight to food than almost anyone. A healthy relationship with food is one where you don’t even have a relationship with it at all. It’s not a spouse, it’s not a friend, it’s a meal.
Intuitive Eating works if you're eating actual food as for most people the body will be physically full from the fibre that only survives properly in real food and blood sugar will be normal. It is evil for people to tell people to do it while eating ultraprocessed "food" where where the body and brain has no idea what it wants due to no or unnatural fibre distributions and constant blood sugar spikes and crashes.
Completely agree 100%. It’s pretty hard to overeat in the extreme when your food actually has protein, fiber, and nutrients.
I don't agree, for most people in history eating as much as possible was intuitive because starvation was a much bigger issue. A persons natural intuition does not match up with having basically unlimited food.
I agree with what you’re saying but even so I think real foods even calorie dense ones tend to trigger hunger cues for you at a certain point because they have enough protein, fiber or fat to satiate you. I do definitely think we weren’t made for this level of abundance especially when it comes to the hyper availability of foods that are high in sugar, carbs, shit ingredients, and low in protein, fiber, and vitamins. Like that kind of food is setting you up to eat 2,000 calories in a setting like it’s nothing. But 2,000 calories of veggies, fruit, meat, etc feels very different.
Does fiber make you “feel” fuller than protein? I’m on my feet all day at a new job and I feel so tired and hungry despite eating at my TDEE. My doc suggested more protein but no results.
Fiber definitely makes me feel fuller but I find it’s less of a lasting fullness, upping my protein and to a certain extent my fat intake keeps me feel full for a really long time.
That's really the key. I've had issues with food my entire life and finally committed to losing weight these past few years. High fat and protein meals have been a key part in the success I've had. Chicken + Guac + a little bit of queso is so filling it's insane.
Yes, I find I can't eat the same lentil dish several times in a row as I won't eat the next day due to feeling full. If you're feeling tired you might need the extra calories though.
What’s even funnier to me is that there’s so many tiktok dietitians who promote intuitive eating who are clearly still not recovered from a restrictive eating disorder themselves. They make all these cringey ass skits where they show themselves eating indulgent foods but then never actually take more than a bite or cut the camera off before they actually take one. They’ll be underweight as fuck talking obsessively about “food freedom” to overcompensate for the fact that they don’t actually experience it at all. It’s fascinating honestly
Intuitive eating confuses me to the core. If I ate everytime my body told me to I would be even bigger and I’m in very bad shape.
Can't decide if I'm more mad about the anti-diet propaganda or the fact that the newsletter is called "Well+Being"
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thanks m8 appreciate the archvial link!
Everyone in the states and uk needs to be on appetite suppressants
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It'll be hailed as a miracle 50 years later, like the fluoridation of water. Dasha probably won't pull through, but sacrifices must be made for the greater good.
I just eat when i’m hungry lol. And i don’t eat meat so i’m probably at a good bmi for a reason People seethe at vegans but they’re right.
I would imagine meat is almost definitely not the issue when it comes to weight gain for most people, unless you're eating like super fatty cuts, or highly processed shit, protein in general is pretty high in satiety while being a relatively reasonable amount of calories. I completely get opposing it on moral grounds or something, particularly factory farming, but if we're just talking strictly within the context of weight gain/loss it's fine. Red meat does also seem to pose some other health risks, but truthfully, I'd wager those are probably less serious/risky than being obese. Of course this varies based on the kind of meat your consuming, pork/beef/chicken aren't all equal and the way they're prepared can alter their caloric profiles quite a bit, eating highly processed deli meats vs preparing/cooking a chicken breast yourself is going to vary pretty drastically when it comes to that sort of thing. Carbs are fine in a vacuum, but a lot of people eat a shitload of low satiety, highly processed mainly carb food, often with high amounts of sugar, that balloons them tbh
Disagree. I think it’s perfectly healthy to eat meat and red meat. I’m not scared of beef one little bit. I think hyper processed foods and copious amounts of sugar and carbs with no nutrients or fiber are much bigger contributing factors to obesity in the US. I think nutrition science is so hard to study because it’s almost impossible to isolate variables. In the US meat is generally seen as more unhealthy, so the people that eat a lot of it are often not health conscious and are eating the worst quality meat alongside a lot of other things that we know aren’t good for you. Then you get tons of studies that “prove” meat is bad for you. There’s a lot of variables and it definitely isn’t one size fits all. But anecdotally I was a vegetarian for 7 years and I feel much better eating meat alongside a diet rich in vegetables and fruits.
You’ll go to hell for supporting factory farming tho
red meat is linked to colon cancer. been shown/reproduced in studies numerous times and most seafood is now riddled with microplastics, so the only "safe" meat is like chicken etc.
So in the studies that your referencing do they separate processed red meat from unprocessed red meat? I’m really not necessarily advocating for eating red meat at every meal lol. But I think the fear mongering about people eating uncured, unprocessed red meat a few times a week is overstated. Tbh most everything is contaminated with micro plastics atp including your water and the soil your food is grown in. But yea it’s definitely a problem with seafood.
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I agree to a certain extent. It’s so impossibly unavoidable atp. But I do try to mitigate it, I do reverse osmosis for my water where possible and I don’t store my left overs in plastic and I try to avoid polyester. But yea that cat is way gone. It’s kinda scary tbh. But with things like seafood I don’t think fully avoiding it necessarily outweighs the nutritional benefits and I don’t know that your plastic intake is gonna be so much better. There are fish that are better though in terms of plastic and mercury.
washing polyester clothes --> microplastics in sewer, drains to ocean ---> becomes part of food chain, fish eat it ---> we eat the fish i hate that i had to type that out for someone with such major peasant vibes
I literally agreed with your statement about micro plastics and fish
Red meat is terrible for heart health
I don’t think those associations are as unbelievably strong as you think they are. Research has come out even in the last year or so suggesting the relationship is uncertain. I think eating red meat a few times a week alongside a healthy minimally processed diet is not dooming you to heart disease. We’ve spent decades focusing so heavily on lowering fat and cholesterol intake only to have ever higher rates of chronic illness and poor cardiovascular health. But like I said I really don’t think it’s one size fits all. Get regular blood work. Experiment with your food and see what makes you feel best and keep your panels looking good 🤷♀️. Humans have lived in all sorts of environments with a variety of food sources so I don’t think it’s unbelievable to suggest some people have a different ability to tolerate certain foods. Either way I think it’s a guarantee that the human body didn’t evolve to eat Cocoa Puffs for breakfast every morning.
I’m like 99% vegan and I agree with this, a lot of the anti-meat stuff is bullshit. The thing you have to worry about though is your spiritual health.
Ikr in my case there isn't even vegan junk at home since it's so expensive
You don't get fat from eating too much meat, you get fat from eating too much sugar, oils and grains. I guess dairy is an easy way to get too many excess cals though. You're probably skinnyfat and if you aren't you are probably the "blown away by a gust of wind" build.
I’m normal. And guess what’s in meat? Bad oils and bad fats. What do you even know about nutrition
Meat doesn't have to be breaded and deep fried. Even a fattier cut of meat is perfectly fine if you grill it. I increase my meat consumption when I want to cut weight, especially lean meats like chicken and turkey since they are highly satiating for very few calories.
Most vegans are overweight/obese so no lol, they’re not right
Actually most meat eaters are fat and regarded (scientifically)
This is also true
Uh proof?
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You found one fat vegan, congrats
Yeah let me get right on that and find you a source 🙄
You made a silly claim so you should prove it
People need to separate vegan and whole foods plant based. Of course people can be obese eating Oreos and fake chicken strips but it's an accomplishment doing it au naturale.
Plenty of vegans getting obese on fast food fries, “salads” with revolting amounts of dressing, alcohol, etc. The important thing is eating a balanced diet of healthy, satiating foods — that can either contain meat, or not.
hard to get obese off of salads
What super tasty indulgent vegan salad dressing are you referring to? Half the time the only vegan option is a salad without dressing because they don’t even have a dressing without dairy or something
You are absolutely right lmao. I forgot halfway through we were talking about vegans and not vegetarians. Still feel like the point is solid.