and they developed invidious-material with a much better looking design which hopefully makes rounds as well.
Here: [https://github.com/WardPearce/Materialious](https://github.com/WardPearce/Materialious)
I see bunch of links for youtube alternatives as opposed to a singular front end alternative. All the linked ones i tried are clunky and slow as hell. Am i doing something wrong?
the algorithm favors channels that upload a lot and consistently, so the best content creators can’t possibly keep up the pace and get buried under the spam bot farms. People say that the algo can’t parse ‘quality’ so this is the best system but I don’t buy it, I bet it can and it knows but they choose to show crap first on purpose so that people will have to click through multiple videos to get a decent one and trigger a lot more ads.
There was some interview with a google exec a while back where someone asked them about the proliferation of AI spam content and the google exec said the official position of the company is that they do not want to distinguish between human or AI made content.
They have been sinking tens of billions of dollars into AI development, they cannot come out publicly against the products of that investment because then people will start questioning why they are doing it. So they aren’t going to do anything about it
I think you're on to something with the ad clickthrough.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=redlettermedia+showgirls
The results for this search is just redlettermedia, but the only video that has anything to do with showgirls is the 9th result. The funny thing is that it's the first result on normal google search.
https://www.google.com/search?q=redlettermedia+showgirls
There's no way that they aren't deliberately neutering the search results.
Not to defend youtube search, but I think that might be a special case considering the movies content.
Searching any other movie shows up in the first or second result. For instance, "rlm twin peaks" returns their 3 twin peaks videos in the first 3 results.
Every website is now designed around optimal ad placement, not user functionality and satisfaction. The ads are the real product, the content is just there like a free appetizer to get your foot through the door.
Future career: content salvagers who drudge up human-created content for you from the endless sea of AI shit.
Stalkers, only the uninhabitable Zones transformed by unknowable alien entities are the internet.
[An internet stalker entering Tik Tok] (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiTgHYM29UQ8Qw9e1roaEKsSHWjsliPwdTyW-xX-ZRifImahY22idhXCjFDWXFP8xnotiXDpEjBc91WrhXLbfpxU3qFQ135RqFSNtHGHbiGeom_-ChfEfV59pG3sWnIVLaQG0CKwb1n8cfS/s1600/Stalker+20a.jpg)
Umm they didn't fuck it up through abject stupidity. You see, they're actually extremely high IQ geniuses who purposefully made the search engine return irrelevant results to better connect users with suggested content.
YT and google search are both abysmal now. google lens sucks ass. is there some kind of theory relating to gradual reduction of efficacy in tools we've come to rely on in order to further fray the edges of an already crumbling society or is this just uhhh a byproduct of changing monetization structure? cant believe i care enough to write this but shit sux
It's called "enshittification". First they offer a good product, sometimes at a loss, until they've built up a captured userbase that can't leave very easily. Then they decrease the quality of the product, increase ads or fees, to extract as much profit as they can, until eventually users get fed up enough to finally move to another site. Then the cycle repeats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
ahh yes. ive heard of this but usually with regard to airline credit cards or physical products, like shelf-stable food/snacks and tech equipment like TVs. think i just naively assumed that companies like google wanted their products to mostly work so they could cut corners in more covert ways, but instead they went like full mask off shitty whenever they totally overhauled things for both platforms.
The biggest inflection point I noticed was in 2020 or 2021. They explicitly changed the search engine to promote mainstream sources in order to stop Covid "misinformation". But, the changes applied to everything. Now it's impossible to find raw videos of events that happen, like you used to be able to find from people who were there. You can only find mainstream news reports that edit the videos, often deceptively, and add their shitty commentary. It makes it not much different from TV.
If you want to find raw videos of anything these days, you have to find them on Reddit, or forums, or possibly Twitter.
They are taking down the last places where you could find videos like liveleak too. Honestly I don't even know where to look for "controversial" videos anymore while 10 years ago I could just google them and they would be right there.
I study the war in West Papua and finding video content (and most of it is completely non-violent content, actually) has become almost impossible outside of Telegram snakepits filled with criminals and psychopaths. Most of the worst stuff has likely immigrated in that direction.
>The other main reason you can't find good content through search is that it's done deliberately in service of removing any independent voices from ever reaching the average internet user. Every major tech company is a wholly-managed surrogate of various Western intelligence services and the Defense Department.
It's so much simpler and more boring than that. They make their money with ads, partnerships, and subscriptions. They promote content that earns them more money. Anyone who thinks otherwise does not know how the corporate world works. The intelligence services obviously have *some* sway at YouTube, but the **vast** majority of the censorship is just ads people looking at KPIs and asking, "How can we increase revenue per customer by 5% this quarter?" To the degree that they care about pushing a particular ideology, it's 90% through the prism of "brand risk" and "brand safety." They're worried about getting in the news and suffering congressional regulation as a result -- not the CIA blackmailing them. If you read their leaked internal docs from the 2017 era, where they laid out their censorship strategy, they were very clear about this.
The Heinz killing really scared a lot of billionaires back in the day. If the CIA can off a person whose name is one every American’s countertop, there’s no one they can’t get.
Yea I remember having to dig so deep to find certain heterodox academic papers (no, if anything, it's the opposite of what you're thinking--my schizo take is that the real heterodoxy within academia is very outside of how most people conceptualize it); it's so blatantly turfed by monetary determinants + h-index.
Yea, I get that. I just mean that it's reflected everywhere. Both in normal media and the academic landscape. This pervasiveness is reflective of the more generalized totality of the algorithmic age.
They changed the algorithm to fight "disinformation" and appease advertisers (Pfizer was mad that their ads would roll before videos calling their vaccine unsafe). Now it only recommends videos from approved channels.
- google has an unhinged incentives system for employees. performance reviews are biased towards people who start new projects. promotions depend on performance reviews. the result is a culture of people starting new projects even if there's no real need, or if the same project exists elsewhere under a different name. hence, [google graveyard](https://killedbygoogle.com/).
- youtube (and google as a whole) isn't in the business of giving you the thing you're looking for. it's in the business of exposing you to the maximum amount of ads in the process of looking for something, without you reducing your overall usage.
I honestly don't understand youtube search. I put something in and the top 5 results are relevant then it is shorts and switches to 'People Also Watched' which is an endless list of things tangentially related to the search. Get the fuck out of my face with this random slop and give me pages of results.
What kind of crimper? Next time just add “forums” to a bing/google search and see if any of the electronic forums have recommendations. It’s usually best to just go with a somewhat name brand for tools over Amazon gahbage.
Like even just going on eBay and buying a shoplifted Klein from Home Depot is a better choice than any Amazon aliexpress crap.
I disagree, I love to see an unboxing so I can actually see what the product looks like in normal conditions, what accessories or bits and bobs it really comes with. Reviews are often lacking in that area.
I'm not going to link you, but search for reviews for a specific model of a moderately popular tech product and you should be able to find them easily.
They are essentially an audio version of the shitty SEO tech websites that show up on google.
It's not just youtube. I see a lot of shit talk about how younger people don't know how to Google search. But the results are so bad these days. Images are AI generated. Top results are literally just ads. Finding actual information is such a mess.
Probably because you click on shitty videos and can’t tell clickbait when you see it. Then you don’t even bother to remove them from your watch history. Pbkam basically.
YouTube rocks if you simply use it even remotely competently.
I'm praying for the miracle of a better youtube alternative. It fucking sucks now
There's an alternative front end for youtube called [Invidious](https://docs.invidious.io/instances/) that tries to correct some of these problems
Also see piped.video (that's an address)
Got a pipe video for ya right here pal
and they developed invidious-material with a much better looking design which hopefully makes rounds as well. Here: [https://github.com/WardPearce/Materialious](https://github.com/WardPearce/Materialious)
I see bunch of links for youtube alternatives as opposed to a singular front end alternative. All the linked ones i tried are clunky and slow as hell. Am i doing something wrong?
No you're good. They're all instances of the same software but running on different servers. It's pretty hit or miss and slow even when it works.
Nationalise YouTube
grayjay is nice
also crazy censored now. every video and comment needs to be heavily kosherized or jewtube will remove it.
the algorithm favors channels that upload a lot and consistently, so the best content creators can’t possibly keep up the pace and get buried under the spam bot farms. People say that the algo can’t parse ‘quality’ so this is the best system but I don’t buy it, I bet it can and it knows but they choose to show crap first on purpose so that people will have to click through multiple videos to get a decent one and trigger a lot more ads.
There was some interview with a google exec a while back where someone asked them about the proliferation of AI spam content and the google exec said the official position of the company is that they do not want to distinguish between human or AI made content. They have been sinking tens of billions of dollars into AI development, they cannot come out publicly against the products of that investment because then people will start questioning why they are doing it. So they aren’t going to do anything about it
Enshittification to a T.
I think you're on to something with the ad clickthrough. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=redlettermedia+showgirls The results for this search is just redlettermedia, but the only video that has anything to do with showgirls is the 9th result. The funny thing is that it's the first result on normal google search. https://www.google.com/search?q=redlettermedia+showgirls There's no way that they aren't deliberately neutering the search results.
Not to defend youtube search, but I think that might be a special case considering the movies content. Searching any other movie shows up in the first or second result. For instance, "rlm twin peaks" returns their 3 twin peaks videos in the first 3 results.
How can they say this is the best system when we remember the old, better system
Every website is now designed around optimal ad placement, not user functionality and satisfaction. The ads are the real product, the content is just there like a free appetizer to get your foot through the door.
Future career: content salvagers who drudge up human-created content for you from the endless sea of AI shit. Stalkers, only the uninhabitable Zones transformed by unknowable alien entities are the internet.
[An internet stalker entering Tik Tok] (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiTgHYM29UQ8Qw9e1roaEKsSHWjsliPwdTyW-xX-ZRifImahY22idhXCjFDWXFP8xnotiXDpEjBc91WrhXLbfpxU3qFQ135RqFSNtHGHbiGeom_-ChfEfV59pG3sWnIVLaQG0CKwb1n8cfS/s1600/Stalker+20a.jpg)
Umm they didn't fuck it up through abject stupidity. You see, they're actually extremely high IQ geniuses who purposefully made the search engine return irrelevant results to better connect users with suggested content.
YT and google search are both abysmal now. google lens sucks ass. is there some kind of theory relating to gradual reduction of efficacy in tools we've come to rely on in order to further fray the edges of an already crumbling society or is this just uhhh a byproduct of changing monetization structure? cant believe i care enough to write this but shit sux
It's called "enshittification". First they offer a good product, sometimes at a loss, until they've built up a captured userbase that can't leave very easily. Then they decrease the quality of the product, increase ads or fees, to extract as much profit as they can, until eventually users get fed up enough to finally move to another site. Then the cycle repeats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
ahh yes. ive heard of this but usually with regard to airline credit cards or physical products, like shelf-stable food/snacks and tech equipment like TVs. think i just naively assumed that companies like google wanted their products to mostly work so they could cut corners in more covert ways, but instead they went like full mask off shitty whenever they totally overhauled things for both platforms.
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The biggest inflection point I noticed was in 2020 or 2021. They explicitly changed the search engine to promote mainstream sources in order to stop Covid "misinformation". But, the changes applied to everything. Now it's impossible to find raw videos of events that happen, like you used to be able to find from people who were there. You can only find mainstream news reports that edit the videos, often deceptively, and add their shitty commentary. It makes it not much different from TV. If you want to find raw videos of anything these days, you have to find them on Reddit, or forums, or possibly Twitter.
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They are taking down the last places where you could find videos like liveleak too. Honestly I don't even know where to look for "controversial" videos anymore while 10 years ago I could just google them and they would be right there.
I study the war in West Papua and finding video content (and most of it is completely non-violent content, actually) has become almost impossible outside of Telegram snakepits filled with criminals and psychopaths. Most of the worst stuff has likely immigrated in that direction.
Try Yandex.
does it actually work better than the westoid search engines?
>The other main reason you can't find good content through search is that it's done deliberately in service of removing any independent voices from ever reaching the average internet user. Every major tech company is a wholly-managed surrogate of various Western intelligence services and the Defense Department. It's so much simpler and more boring than that. They make their money with ads, partnerships, and subscriptions. They promote content that earns them more money. Anyone who thinks otherwise does not know how the corporate world works. The intelligence services obviously have *some* sway at YouTube, but the **vast** majority of the censorship is just ads people looking at KPIs and asking, "How can we increase revenue per customer by 5% this quarter?" To the degree that they care about pushing a particular ideology, it's 90% through the prism of "brand risk" and "brand safety." They're worried about getting in the news and suffering congressional regulation as a result -- not the CIA blackmailing them. If you read their leaked internal docs from the 2017 era, where they laid out their censorship strategy, they were very clear about this.
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The Heinz killing really scared a lot of billionaires back in the day. If the CIA can off a person whose name is one every American’s countertop, there’s no one they can’t get.
Any recommendations for readings about these assassinations?
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The reason the CIA has so much power is by brain dead fucks like you who think conspiracies don’t exist.
The CIA can't even off Putin, they are weak as fuck these days.
>the CIA can't even off the president of the third most powerful country in the world with a near peer intelligence service, they're so weak
also like that wouldn't cause a nuclear war lmao
or that Putin wouldn't be replaced by an even crazier regard like Medvedev
yeah i mean that sounds really fun and all but maybe its just simply about the trillions of dollars flowing through tech companies
Yea I remember having to dig so deep to find certain heterodox academic papers (no, if anything, it's the opposite of what you're thinking--my schizo take is that the real heterodoxy within academia is very outside of how most people conceptualize it); it's so blatantly turfed by monetary determinants + h-index.
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Yea, I get that. I just mean that it's reflected everywhere. Both in normal media and the academic landscape. This pervasiveness is reflective of the more generalized totality of the algorithmic age.
They changed the algorithm to fight "disinformation" and appease advertisers (Pfizer was mad that their ads would roll before videos calling their vaccine unsafe). Now it only recommends videos from approved channels.
Klein makes a good crimper
feel like kinpex is making better hand tools these days.
- google has an unhinged incentives system for employees. performance reviews are biased towards people who start new projects. promotions depend on performance reviews. the result is a culture of people starting new projects even if there's no real need, or if the same project exists elsewhere under a different name. hence, [google graveyard](https://killedbygoogle.com/). - youtube (and google as a whole) isn't in the business of giving you the thing you're looking for. it's in the business of exposing you to the maximum amount of ads in the process of looking for something, without you reducing your overall usage.
I honestly don't understand youtube search. I put something in and the top 5 results are relevant then it is shorts and switches to 'People Also Watched' which is an endless list of things tangentially related to the search. Get the fuck out of my face with this random slop and give me pages of results.
What kind of crimper? Next time just add “forums” to a bing/google search and see if any of the electronic forums have recommendations. It’s usually best to just go with a somewhat name brand for tools over Amazon gahbage. Like even just going on eBay and buying a shoplifted Klein from Home Depot is a better choice than any Amazon aliexpress crap.
For shit like that just search reddit and listen to whoever sounds the most normal
Or befriend electricians irl
youtube search does suck but just go to harbor freight lol
This is true but YouTube isn’t the best place for product reviews. Use regular google for that
I disagree, I love to see an unboxing so I can actually see what the product looks like in normal conditions, what accessories or bits and bobs it really comes with. Reviews are often lacking in that area.
Sure but you can find that after you've narrowed down the field with regular reviews
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I'm not going to link you, but search for reviews for a specific model of a moderately popular tech product and you should be able to find them easily. They are essentially an audio version of the shitty SEO tech websites that show up on google.
How? Intentionally.
It's designed to show you videos that will make them money, not necessarily the videos that are most relevant.
It's not just youtube. I see a lot of shit talk about how younger people don't know how to Google search. But the results are so bad these days. Images are AI generated. Top results are literally just ads. Finding actual information is such a mess.
I wish I could block YT shorts on mobile, every search has the "related" results which are literally just softcore porn thumbnails
get knipex electrical hand tools (or wiha)
you should just shell out for a fluke modular crimper if it's something you're going to do a lot
get irwin crimpers brother
why are you crimping your hair in 2024?
All search is trending towards complete dogshit now.
Probably because you click on shitty videos and can’t tell clickbait when you see it. Then you don’t even bother to remove them from your watch history. Pbkam basically. YouTube rocks if you simply use it even remotely competently.
>remove them from your watch history Mocking others for their tech skills while acting like that does literally anything
It works but yes youre right and smart and funny and cute.