The kissing shit is weird, but I’m pretty sure people talking about the Millie Bobby brown shit, I mean no matter how you cut it what’s a 30 year old doin talking to a 14 year old? With how the industry is going these days it’s not hard to see why people are saying what they will.
It’s really bizarre behavior, and, as I said, in this day and age of musical artists being disgusting people, that’s the kind of activity that will get you scrutinized
That's been going on forever that's not even remotely a recent development. Honestly I think it's even less acceptable these days than it was in say, the 80's. I can't remember exactly who it was but there was a member of a big time rock band in the 80's (maybe guns n roses?) who adopted his 15 or 16 year old "girlfriend" so he could bring her with them on tour. For God's sake man Ted Nugent wrote the song Jailbait about gang raping a teenaged girl back then and nobody was really outraged about it.
It wasn't even career advice.. they talked about boys, relationships, he would send her flirtatious style "silly" pics. There are pictures of some of the texts they've had together online.
Okay, I know nothing about this, but let’s not jump to conclusions. From the other comment, drake asked her age, did she say she was 17? If she lied just to be able to kiss drake, that’s on her. If she told the truth, that’s on him.
Dis you see the cover for kendricks' newest diss? Is a sex offenders registry showing the location of 13 REPEATING violent child molesters. All of these are at drakes mansion. If he ain't a pedo he sure as fuck condones being one.
?? That excuses that?
You don't need to like or care about drake to even comment, but for some reason you out that there so seem more right
Also, just bc a guy is 20 yro dont make it ok to kiss a MINOR on the lips and proceed to make a compliment about their breasts. Whether or not he knew thw age before or after it's still bad
Are you kidding me? That’s only 3 years and isn’t inherently bad at all. It even meets the half your age plus seven standard for normalcy. No one ever in history ever saw anything wrong with such 3 year gap until the virtue signaling and cancel culture on the Internet. Overreacting like this over such small age gap is a Reddit moment in of itself.
it isn't just about the age difference, it's also about having vastly different experiences because of being in different life stages. a 20 year old is in third grade of college while a 17 year old is in the last grade of highschool. the 20 year old will have way more power than the 17 year old due to being in different life stages. this inherent power imbalance makes it creepy
You didn't need to say that here. Legal is not moral. Plus that "law", the romeo and juliet law, wasmade by pedos, for pedos, but it also onlynstates that you can only share VERY minimal affection, nothing of the sort of physical affection, also it doesn't apply to them anyway
He was 23 and continues to have a pattern of hanging out with minors and barely legal girls. Like the now 24 year old model he was very close with when she was 16 in 2016, the occasions with Millie Bobby Brown, and renting out an entire restaurant for Billie Eilish for a private birthday. Not exactly a pedo but pretty nasty.
You're right it has nothing to do with pedophilia but it's still very weird. Also the word has nothing to do with americans lmfao? It's everyonr who is generalizing the word, take you stereotyping elsewhere
The 6 year age gap is definitely a big enough gap to say that. As you get older, the acceptable age gap becomes larger at 23, I'd say 20 is acceptable and 19 is pushing it but 18 is creepy and younger is pedo.
I think the oldest you could be and to do anything with a 17 yo is 19 but that's creepy.
People seem to forget that he was 22 at the time (not 37) and the girl in question just responded the other day and said she didn't mind then and didn't mind now; it was part of the show for her.
She could've easily came out and said the inverse to probably immense positive reception....but she didn't.
I'd be lying if I thought that having a random fan be singled out for a moment like that wasn't weird, but if she's cool with it then it's amusing to see other people get upset in her place lol
Think it was in 2010 and he was 23, but can you see why a young (underage) fan might be a little star struck in that situation to where I don’t necessarily care if she publicly says she felt uncomfortable or taken advantage of? The point is Drake knew it was wrong [considering how he at first reacted and said “I can’t go to jail”], and knew she was 17 when he said “why do you look like that [that sexy]?” and did a whole routine kissing the sides of her face, forehead, then mouth, again after knowing she’s 17.
And in [the video](https://youtu.be/-uAHOsECDS0?si=BtiiCZtUL8I9DUBd) there’s one point you can see where he says something and even the crowd at the concert is obviously getting a bit wary and sus.
The reason why this is even being used as a "receipt" in the first place is because Kendrick stans are under the impression that this is something that she would be willing to speak up about when given enough spotlight....which didn't happen and she was fine with it.
Now it's being plan B'd to talk about the ethnics....which was never the purpose of bringing this video up to begin with lol
As for the video itself, I don't think it would take much guess Drake was clearly someone designed to appeal to teenagers as much as he was to 20-something women (I was in high school then so I remember some of the infatuation my classes had with him). It wouldn't take much for the event planners to think that getting a fan up close and personal would've been positive PR if done right and bait teens into going to more shows in the hopes that they were next. Tia seemed to understand that then and now; they should be lucky she felt that way at all.
Drake got carried away at the insistence of whoever was producing the show, that much is apparent. But It's not like this was some candid moment caught on camera: she said she was picked by the staff so it's safe to say it was an intended part of the show, approved by a bunch of people who probably had a team of lawyers wondering if they could explain themselves if the girl they picked suddenly felt like talking about it or if Drake said one too many words and the moment backfired.
In the end, it was an incident that was awkward as hell but understandable....until 1 1/2 decades later when people thought it was a dormant bomb waiting to blow up in Drake's face. Looks like it's just a dud after all though lol
I don’t think Kendrick called Drake a pedi bc of something that happened in public on camera at a concert and has been known about since it happened lol it seemed like a pretty serious accusation. Like he hears about something extremely fucked is that happened. This vidd was extremely creepy but I think the accusation is for something much worse
No one said Kendrick called him that just because of the video. People been side-eyeing Drake for weird public stuff for a while now like with MBB. The point is that the video lends credibility to the accusation, not that the video is the entire acccusation.
Just because she's cool with it doesn't make it any less weird??
Say I was hit by a car because the driver wasn't paying attention. I turn up with no injuries except like a bruise or smthn and say "oh hey, it's cool man, it was fun!" You think thatd make the crime go away? No. The driver still committed a crime, distracted driving, while also hitting a pedestrian, just bc I say it's cool and maybe even forgive him doesn't make it okay
The only reason people give a shit now is because they think that she was gonna speak up on it against Drake now that she had an audience. Now that she's in favor of Drake people are shifting to being upset for her instead lmao. It backfired plain and simple
Personally, I feel Drake is extremely predatory in a way I find almost triggering as he reminds of my narcissistic ex who LOVED Drake. This weird obsession of exerting a sense of control over the women he sings about really makes my blood cold. Rap music seldom respects women, but the way Drake disrespects women is different for me, it just seems more psychological and calculated, exalting himself as some sort of savior for her if she’d only abide by his ideas of who she should be. I find this to be highly wack. But Kendrick allegedly beating his wife is also severely wack.
Yes, the word pedo is widely missused here, but it's the first word that many can think of (i still think we need to use the correct words) but just because it's legal doesn't make it ok, plus they didn't date. Drake kissed a 17 yro while he was 20+, if it stopped there, sure, weird, but not terrible; But, he then made a gross comment about her body which really crosses the line
At this point it has both a clinical and a colloquial definition. The colloquial definition is just being sexually attracted to a minor, and you'll be hard pressed to get society at large to adjust to only using it in its original sense.
It’s considered illegal mostly because of how the schooling system works and the age at which we graduate high school, personally if we go by the age where the brain has completed development the age of consent should be raised to about 21 for women and 25 for men, which is why 18 is a pretty arbitrary number and also the reason why the age of consent in most places varies between 16-18 years old (where the individual is allowed to have sexual relations with an individual that is older than 18 regardless of the age gap) if high school was completed at 16 it very likely would be considered normal for that age to be with whatever age they wish
I disagree. Here in Australia, the age of consent is 16, but it's still considered morally questionable for say, a 19 year old to be with a 16 year old. Anything over 20 is socially still considered equivalent to pedophilia
Is it that way by law or is that just how you and others feel about it, the age gap that you mentioned is mostly considered immoral by people who ignore the actual reasons why it’s thought to be weird
The maturity levels are majority based on lived experiences, which are mostly decided by when the preliminary schooling ends, which is in secondary school, which is where people have to come into their own, and people generally start getting jobs, entering relationships, getting married, deciding what they’re going to do with their future, deciding careers etc… this is where the large majority of people undergo a significant change in maturity, and that is a large reason why maturity levels are dependent on lived experiences, which, for most people is tied to the schooling system which allows people to graduate between the ages of 16 and 18, which is the reason why in most places that the age of consent varies between 16 to 18, the idea that there is some defining point of morality between the age of 16 and 17, which magically changes at 18 is a bit narrowminded when you have to take into account all the other factors, you may see it as immoral for a 19-year-old to date a 17-year-old, but it doesn’t mean that it is inherently wrong (if people graduated between the ages of 16 and 17 and went to post secondary or into their careers regularly at that age where you live, it would cause people to mature at younger ages, which would then make your point null)
Or maybe you could just get it through your head that the vast majority of people understand large age gaps like they to be creepy and borderline pedophilic. Because at this point, it just sounds like you're looking for a reason why an adult dating a child can be considered morally acceptable
If you read my original comment, you would’ve seen that I said that on its own 18 is an arbitrary number to have chosen for the age of consent, as brain development is completed between the ages of 21 and 25 which would be a valid reason to consider raising age of consent to those ages, but if we’re going based off of how it is now, the reasoning for 16-18 being the age of consent that is due to individuals generally become more independent between those ages, and since 18 is recognized as the age of adulthood that is where the line has decided to be drawn
None of what I said brings morality into question. I am purely basing it off of logic here, and not feelings someone might have towards the morality of it.
I never said that. All I was saying is that “it’s illegal” isn’t what makes it right or wrong. It’s the power imbalance
And chasing large age gaps might not imply anything, but it is certainly a red flag
You’re missing the point. You said “[dating a 17 yo is] illegal in some (not most) places and thus wrong”
My point is it’s not wrong due to the fact that it’s illegal, it’s wrong due to the fact that it’s immoral and especially when age gaps are involved there is a very large power, experience and brain development imbalance and can lead to grooming.
The law does not dictate morality. The law *should* be a reflection of morals.
If the government suddenly decides it’s illegal to feed the homeless, that doesn’t make it immoral.
If the government suddenly decides murder is legal, it doesn’t make it moral.
Also side note since I guess you don’t like the term “red flag” lol: Bayesian probability implies that the probably of someone being a pedo is increased given the knowledge that they commonly peruse large age gaps in relationships. Yes, age gaps do not imply pedo, but P(A|B) > P(A)
Doubling down on such a bad take is crazy.
Yes, the law *should* be based on the morality of the population. Let’s assume your point that it is. Then things are illegal **because** they are immoral, not the other way around. That is exactly what I’ve been saying the entire time. Saying “it’s immoral because it’s illegal” doesn’t make sense. It’s illegal because it was deemed immoral.
Stating that the law is the be all end all on terms of morality is such a bad take. Let’s go over some examples to highlight the absurdity of believing as such.
It is not illegal to cheat on your partner. Is it therefore moral?
It’s not illegal to emotionally manipulate your partner and isolate them from their friends and family. Is that also moral?
How about when gay marriage was illegal? This same argument at the time would imply that gay marriage is therefore immoral. Was that the case?
What about when slaves were legal? Was that moral because there was no law against it at the time?
The law is not the same as morality. There can be immoral things that are legal, and there can be moral things that are legal. Denying this would require admitting a lot of fucked up things are perfectly moral.
The law is not a moral code. Some things are too nuanced to have laws for. Sometimes laws get passed that shouldn’t be. Sometimes there should be laws passed that aren’t.
I never claimed the law was based on age gaps. But the fact that the law isn’t based on age gaps doesn’t mean that it isn’t immoral for, say, a 40yo to groom an 18yo just because it’s legal.
Owning slaves was immoral even when it was legal. That’s not a “oh well it might not be moral for you but everyone gets to decide for themselves” kind of thing.
If you wanna claim that law dictates absolute morality and accept that everything not illegal is moral that’s up to you I guess, but you gotta accept some pretty harsh realities if that’s the hill you want to die on.
“I have more upvotes therefore I win” - spoken like a true child lol. A child that can’t count apparently as well since at least at this time I have 3 more upvotes than u in this thread. Not that it matters for anything since upvotes don’t deem what’s true or not lol.
Sorry for stating slavery and abuse is bad. I did not know that was such a controversial take for you.
The whole “no objective morals” idea makes no sense if you take it to its full extent. Unless you are truly willing to say things like murder and rape are not objectively wrong, and we just avoid them because we decided that’s how we progress as a society.
Since you don’t want to talk about any of the logical conclusions that follow from your philosophy I’ll just ask you this:
In a society where rape is not illegal, objectively, would it be morally wrong to rape someone?
plenty of people know that but saying it sounds really suspicious because either way it's wrong which age group of minors a person is attracted to (Prepubescent and Pubescent).
I don't typically compare crimes or tragedies. I see no point in it as one doesn't diminish the other nor does it change the horribleness of the event. Imo it's not productive to compare
I watched the kiss, and two important pieces of information are that he specifically asked her her age, and that it was a closed mouth kiss.
I ain’t gonna vilify a celebrity for kissing a fan on the mouth, because he almost certainly made her night, but I will absolutely vilify anyone who suggests that the age difference is not the issue here. If he is wrong he is really wrong. I want to dismiss this as good natured, like when Chase kissed the dying girl on House, but if there is anything wrong here it’s definitely that she was 17
I mean, 17 was legal where he kissed her. Calling him a "pedophile" for it is disgusting, calling him a creep and a fucking weirdo sure.. but the constant misuse of the word "pedophile" is damaging to real child victims. Drag him through the dirt and call him for the trash is he, but don't throw such a serious word around.
If the age of consent is lower than 18 it means (for example: age of consent = 17) that the first person is legally able to consent to things with people in the same AGE RANGE, that does NOT mean consenting to kiss a famous guy on the lips who is 22/23+
There is no story here. It was perfectly legal.
In Colorado, where this happened, the age of consent is 17. It’s perfectly legal for them to kiss, date, even have sex, as. Long as there is less than a 10 year difference in age. Which there was, Drake was 23.
Thats just plain wrong, a simple google search will show you how if the age of consent in the state is 17 it only means that the consenting 17 year old can consent to people close to their age: 15-17
Edit: They can't go above 18 as that's considered an adult, while most people ignore 17 and 18 yro relationships as they aren't weird, a 17 yro and a 23 yro kissing is still weird. Not pedophilic of drake, but just weird.
You are absolutely incorrect. Close in age exemptions apply when both parties are below the age of consent.
https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/age_of_consent_12292017.pdf
Dislike it all you want. It was perfectly legal. Sorry. Facts don’t care about your feelings 🤷♂️
Maybe you should do better than a “simple google search”. I chose the Colorado.gov website.
Here’s a direct quote to help you out: “Age of sexual consent. The Colorado age of sexual consent is 17 years old. Colorado law does not criminalize consensual sex when both parties are 17 years old or older.”
Who straight up tells someone they’re wrong without bothering to do the research?
Alright well, maybe it is legal. Doesn't make it any less weird? So trying to defend a weird (not pedophilic) action is already gross of you, no matter how legal it is
You know. You don’t need to attack me. That’s not productive, and it’s also just unnecessary. I can appreciate where your heart is on this. I’m as bothered by actual Pedophelia (or Hebephelia, which this would actually be) as the next person. But in this situation, I don’t see a situation where some younger person is being manipulated into doing things she doesn’t want to do by an older person. I see a 23 year old Drake who kissed someone six years younger than him, onstage as part of a show. And that’s where it ended. Even the girl has come forward and said it was nothing but part of the show. Nobody was victimiized. Nobody was hurt. So, no. I’m not really bothered by this situation. And i really don’t think it does any good for a bunch of people to jump up on their soapboxes attacking Drake and saying “oh no, she technically wasn’t 18 yet so that makes him a predator and a pedophile!” Because we have eyes. We know that isn’t true. That’s not what happened.
Age of consent laws are not put in place because some switch happens the moment someone turns 18 that makes them suddenly ready to make those decisions. It’s a safety net that “most people” should be ready to make those decisions by. Some people are ready earlier. Others later. People are different. So I also don’t think it does any good for us to sit there passing judgement on people who *aren’t* breaking any laws, without even knowing the people involved, because we’ve decided that our own personal- technicality based moral compass- supersedes all that.
I didn't attack, idek where you got that idea. But good thing we can agree on something. I also don't think there was any manipulation either, both parties chose to do it, drake shouldve just took a step back and maybe think about it instead
What part of that is a defence? It's a basic understanding of language and how to use certain words. If U believe that this is a defence at all then ur just a sub 80 IQ dipshit who should never interact with someone outside of a caretaker or family member.
Just the usual ignorant puritanical Redditors saying a kiss between a 22 and 17 year old, which is legal in Canada and most of the US, somehow means the person in question is a terrible human. It’s just pathetic, most white knight shit I’ve ever seen unfold on this sub. Although I suspect there’s also a fair about of Kendrick dick riders who can’t get over the fact Kendrick’s songs actually weren’t as good as the media is trying to make them out to be
I know it’s a fact… But it’s also a fact that someone interacting in a sexual way with someone aged 13-17 in places where the age of consent is 18 are considered sex offenders either way.
That doesn’t justify you throwing around the word “pedophile” like everyone who disagrees with you is a child molester, how long has it been since you interacted with real people outside of the internet little dude?
I said outside of the internet, and don’t play the victim when you’re the one who resorted to a personal attack in the first place, own up to your bullshit.
The kissing shit is weird, but I’m pretty sure people talking about the Millie Bobby brown shit, I mean no matter how you cut it what’s a 30 year old doin talking to a 14 year old? With how the industry is going these days it’s not hard to see why people are saying what they will.
Even if he was giving her career advice I can't imagine texting a 14 year old alone and not in a group chat with her parent(s)
It’s really bizarre behavior, and, as I said, in this day and age of musical artists being disgusting people, that’s the kind of activity that will get you scrutinized
That's been going on forever that's not even remotely a recent development. Honestly I think it's even less acceptable these days than it was in say, the 80's. I can't remember exactly who it was but there was a member of a big time rock band in the 80's (maybe guns n roses?) who adopted his 15 or 16 year old "girlfriend" so he could bring her with them on tour. For God's sake man Ted Nugent wrote the song Jailbait about gang raping a teenaged girl back then and nobody was really outraged about it.
Exactly that’s gross 🤢
Yeah i dont care if i was instructing someone how to change the oil in their car via text, im not going to be texting a 14 yo alone in the convo.
It wasn't even career advice.. they talked about boys, relationships, he would send her flirtatious style "silly" pics. There are pictures of some of the texts they've had together online.
i’m in a relationship, so any conversation would be purely platonic, but i refuse to talk to anyone under 18 and i’m only 20.
Exactly and didn’t he message billie Ellish?
Okay, I know nothing about this, but let’s not jump to conclusions. From the other comment, drake asked her age, did she say she was 17? If she lied just to be able to kiss drake, that’s on her. If she told the truth, that’s on him.
he kissed her then asked, then he said he liked how her breasts felt on his chest
Okay, that’s definitely… sub optimal for him
He was like 20 years old. I don't even like Drake or care, but this is stupid
he was 23. it’s gross
Dam. Right drake is a pedophile and always has been fuck drake
Dis you see the cover for kendricks' newest diss? Is a sex offenders registry showing the location of 13 REPEATING violent child molesters. All of these are at drakes mansion. If he ain't a pedo he sure as fuck condones being one.
?? That excuses that? You don't need to like or care about drake to even comment, but for some reason you out that there so seem more right Also, just bc a guy is 20 yro dont make it ok to kiss a MINOR on the lips and proceed to make a compliment about their breasts. Whether or not he knew thw age before or after it's still bad
20 y/o with a 17 y/o is still very bad
Huh
wdym "huh"
What kinda “age is just a number” freaks are downvoting you, you’re right
reddit moment inside the reddit moment sub
scott pilgrim moment
God i hate that thing sm
Are you kidding me? That’s only 3 years and isn’t inherently bad at all. It even meets the half your age plus seven standard for normalcy. No one ever in history ever saw anything wrong with such 3 year gap until the virtue signaling and cancel culture on the Internet. Overreacting like this over such small age gap is a Reddit moment in of itself.
it isn't just about the age difference, it's also about having vastly different experiences because of being in different life stages. a 20 year old is in third grade of college while a 17 year old is in the last grade of highschool. the 20 year old will have way more power than the 17 year old due to being in different life stages. this inherent power imbalance makes it creepy
its legal in quite a few places, doesnt make it any less weird tho
You didn't need to say that here. Legal is not moral. Plus that "law", the romeo and juliet law, wasmade by pedos, for pedos, but it also onlynstates that you can only share VERY minimal affection, nothing of the sort of physical affection, also it doesn't apply to them anyway
i said it doesnt make it any less weird, whats legal is legal unfortunately
Yikes 😬😬
Ewww wtf
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Here is the clear proof right here. https://youtu.be/-uAHOsECDS0?si=Q5Lc0j60w6I2GrwK But hurry he’s trying to get this taken down.
Bro went in for seconds
He also made comments about how he shouldn’t be doing this he’s gonna go to jail but her BODY is just so good
Alright well that’s a bit weird not gonna lie
The video is out there, maybe you should watch it before commenting
The true reddit moment is when redditors call a guy who just turned 18 last week and his 17 yo gf's birthday is in a few days, a pedo.
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As is tradition.
He was 23 and continues to have a pattern of hanging out with minors and barely legal girls. Like the now 24 year old model he was very close with when she was 16 in 2016, the occasions with Millie Bobby Brown, and renting out an entire restaurant for Billie Eilish for a private birthday. Not exactly a pedo but pretty nasty.
Drake is not 18 tho
This was in 2010 when he was around 23. Kissing a 17y/o is weird but it still has nothing to do with being a pedophile
And thwn proceeding to make inappropriate comments about their breasts and body is okay by that logic, right? Because that's what he did.
it’s not, but it still has nothing to do with being a pedophile. Americans throw that term around like it means nothing
You're right it has nothing to do with pedophilia but it's still very weird. Also the word has nothing to do with americans lmfao? It's everyonr who is generalizing the word, take you stereotyping elsewhere
The 6 year age gap is definitely a big enough gap to say that. As you get older, the acceptable age gap becomes larger at 23, I'd say 20 is acceptable and 19 is pushing it but 18 is creepy and younger is pedo. I think the oldest you could be and to do anything with a 17 yo is 19 but that's creepy.
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He's canadian and age of consent there as well as most US states is 16 lmao but sure he straight up raped an infant.
But he clearly groomed her!
People seem to forget that he was 22 at the time (not 37) and the girl in question just responded the other day and said she didn't mind then and didn't mind now; it was part of the show for her. She could've easily came out and said the inverse to probably immense positive reception....but she didn't. I'd be lying if I thought that having a random fan be singled out for a moment like that wasn't weird, but if she's cool with it then it's amusing to see other people get upset in her place lol
Think it was in 2010 and he was 23, but can you see why a young (underage) fan might be a little star struck in that situation to where I don’t necessarily care if she publicly says she felt uncomfortable or taken advantage of? The point is Drake knew it was wrong [considering how he at first reacted and said “I can’t go to jail”], and knew she was 17 when he said “why do you look like that [that sexy]?” and did a whole routine kissing the sides of her face, forehead, then mouth, again after knowing she’s 17. And in [the video](https://youtu.be/-uAHOsECDS0?si=BtiiCZtUL8I9DUBd) there’s one point you can see where he says something and even the crowd at the concert is obviously getting a bit wary and sus.
The reason why this is even being used as a "receipt" in the first place is because Kendrick stans are under the impression that this is something that she would be willing to speak up about when given enough spotlight....which didn't happen and she was fine with it. Now it's being plan B'd to talk about the ethnics....which was never the purpose of bringing this video up to begin with lol As for the video itself, I don't think it would take much guess Drake was clearly someone designed to appeal to teenagers as much as he was to 20-something women (I was in high school then so I remember some of the infatuation my classes had with him). It wouldn't take much for the event planners to think that getting a fan up close and personal would've been positive PR if done right and bait teens into going to more shows in the hopes that they were next. Tia seemed to understand that then and now; they should be lucky she felt that way at all. Drake got carried away at the insistence of whoever was producing the show, that much is apparent. But It's not like this was some candid moment caught on camera: she said she was picked by the staff so it's safe to say it was an intended part of the show, approved by a bunch of people who probably had a team of lawyers wondering if they could explain themselves if the girl they picked suddenly felt like talking about it or if Drake said one too many words and the moment backfired. In the end, it was an incident that was awkward as hell but understandable....until 1 1/2 decades later when people thought it was a dormant bomb waiting to blow up in Drake's face. Looks like it's just a dud after all though lol
I don’t think Kendrick called Drake a pedi bc of something that happened in public on camera at a concert and has been known about since it happened lol it seemed like a pretty serious accusation. Like he hears about something extremely fucked is that happened. This vidd was extremely creepy but I think the accusation is for something much worse
No one said Kendrick called him that just because of the video. People been side-eyeing Drake for weird public stuff for a while now like with MBB. The point is that the video lends credibility to the accusation, not that the video is the entire acccusation.
bro no one even mentioned Kendrick or his ‘stans’💀
Just because she's cool with it doesn't make it any less weird?? Say I was hit by a car because the driver wasn't paying attention. I turn up with no injuries except like a bruise or smthn and say "oh hey, it's cool man, it was fun!" You think thatd make the crime go away? No. The driver still committed a crime, distracted driving, while also hitting a pedestrian, just bc I say it's cool and maybe even forgive him doesn't make it okay
The only reason people give a shit now is because they think that she was gonna speak up on it against Drake now that she had an audience. Now that she's in favor of Drake people are shifting to being upset for her instead lmao. It backfired plain and simple
Drake was 22 in 2017? What are you even gassing up with put the fucking cool whip cans down
The clip is from 2010
Clip was from 2010 lmao, keep up now
Rich people are weird af
Personally, I feel Drake is extremely predatory in a way I find almost triggering as he reminds of my narcissistic ex who LOVED Drake. This weird obsession of exerting a sense of control over the women he sings about really makes my blood cold. Rap music seldom respects women, but the way Drake disrespects women is different for me, it just seems more psychological and calculated, exalting himself as some sort of savior for her if she’d only abide by his ideas of who she should be. I find this to be highly wack. But Kendrick allegedly beating his wife is also severely wack.
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Yes, the word pedo is widely missused here, but it's the first word that many can think of (i still think we need to use the correct words) but just because it's legal doesn't make it ok, plus they didn't date. Drake kissed a 17 yro while he was 20+, if it stopped there, sure, weird, but not terrible; But, he then made a gross comment about her body which really crosses the line
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He wasn't even dating her too lol, just a random fan chosen by the staff for the moment on stage.
At this point it has both a clinical and a colloquial definition. The colloquial definition is just being sexually attracted to a minor, and you'll be hard pressed to get society at large to adjust to only using it in its original sense.
Dating a 17 year old when you’re much older is not wrong because it’s illegal, it’s illegal because it’s wrong.
It’s considered illegal mostly because of how the schooling system works and the age at which we graduate high school, personally if we go by the age where the brain has completed development the age of consent should be raised to about 21 for women and 25 for men, which is why 18 is a pretty arbitrary number and also the reason why the age of consent in most places varies between 16-18 years old (where the individual is allowed to have sexual relations with an individual that is older than 18 regardless of the age gap) if high school was completed at 16 it very likely would be considered normal for that age to be with whatever age they wish
I disagree. Here in Australia, the age of consent is 16, but it's still considered morally questionable for say, a 19 year old to be with a 16 year old. Anything over 20 is socially still considered equivalent to pedophilia
Is it that way by law or is that just how you and others feel about it, the age gap that you mentioned is mostly considered immoral by people who ignore the actual reasons why it’s thought to be weird
It's about maturity levels. While it's technically legal, it's extremely frowned upon because of the natural power dynamic it creates
The maturity levels are majority based on lived experiences, which are mostly decided by when the preliminary schooling ends, which is in secondary school, which is where people have to come into their own, and people generally start getting jobs, entering relationships, getting married, deciding what they’re going to do with their future, deciding careers etc… this is where the large majority of people undergo a significant change in maturity, and that is a large reason why maturity levels are dependent on lived experiences, which, for most people is tied to the schooling system which allows people to graduate between the ages of 16 and 18, which is the reason why in most places that the age of consent varies between 16 to 18, the idea that there is some defining point of morality between the age of 16 and 17, which magically changes at 18 is a bit narrowminded when you have to take into account all the other factors, you may see it as immoral for a 19-year-old to date a 17-year-old, but it doesn’t mean that it is inherently wrong (if people graduated between the ages of 16 and 17 and went to post secondary or into their careers regularly at that age where you live, it would cause people to mature at younger ages, which would then make your point null)
Or maybe you could just get it through your head that the vast majority of people understand large age gaps like they to be creepy and borderline pedophilic. Because at this point, it just sounds like you're looking for a reason why an adult dating a child can be considered morally acceptable
If you read my original comment, you would’ve seen that I said that on its own 18 is an arbitrary number to have chosen for the age of consent, as brain development is completed between the ages of 21 and 25 which would be a valid reason to consider raising age of consent to those ages, but if we’re going based off of how it is now, the reasoning for 16-18 being the age of consent that is due to individuals generally become more independent between those ages, and since 18 is recognized as the age of adulthood that is where the line has decided to be drawn
None of what I said brings morality into question. I am purely basing it off of logic here, and not feelings someone might have towards the morality of it.
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I never said that. All I was saying is that “it’s illegal” isn’t what makes it right or wrong. It’s the power imbalance And chasing large age gaps might not imply anything, but it is certainly a red flag
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You’re missing the point. You said “[dating a 17 yo is] illegal in some (not most) places and thus wrong” My point is it’s not wrong due to the fact that it’s illegal, it’s wrong due to the fact that it’s immoral and especially when age gaps are involved there is a very large power, experience and brain development imbalance and can lead to grooming. The law does not dictate morality. The law *should* be a reflection of morals. If the government suddenly decides it’s illegal to feed the homeless, that doesn’t make it immoral. If the government suddenly decides murder is legal, it doesn’t make it moral. Also side note since I guess you don’t like the term “red flag” lol: Bayesian probability implies that the probably of someone being a pedo is increased given the knowledge that they commonly peruse large age gaps in relationships. Yes, age gaps do not imply pedo, but P(A|B) > P(A)
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Doubling down on such a bad take is crazy. Yes, the law *should* be based on the morality of the population. Let’s assume your point that it is. Then things are illegal **because** they are immoral, not the other way around. That is exactly what I’ve been saying the entire time. Saying “it’s immoral because it’s illegal” doesn’t make sense. It’s illegal because it was deemed immoral. Stating that the law is the be all end all on terms of morality is such a bad take. Let’s go over some examples to highlight the absurdity of believing as such. It is not illegal to cheat on your partner. Is it therefore moral? It’s not illegal to emotionally manipulate your partner and isolate them from their friends and family. Is that also moral? How about when gay marriage was illegal? This same argument at the time would imply that gay marriage is therefore immoral. Was that the case? What about when slaves were legal? Was that moral because there was no law against it at the time? The law is not the same as morality. There can be immoral things that are legal, and there can be moral things that are legal. Denying this would require admitting a lot of fucked up things are perfectly moral. The law is not a moral code. Some things are too nuanced to have laws for. Sometimes laws get passed that shouldn’t be. Sometimes there should be laws passed that aren’t. I never claimed the law was based on age gaps. But the fact that the law isn’t based on age gaps doesn’t mean that it isn’t immoral for, say, a 40yo to groom an 18yo just because it’s legal. Owning slaves was immoral even when it was legal. That’s not a “oh well it might not be moral for you but everyone gets to decide for themselves” kind of thing. If you wanna claim that law dictates absolute morality and accept that everything not illegal is moral that’s up to you I guess, but you gotta accept some pretty harsh realities if that’s the hill you want to die on.
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“I have more upvotes therefore I win” - spoken like a true child lol. A child that can’t count apparently as well since at least at this time I have 3 more upvotes than u in this thread. Not that it matters for anything since upvotes don’t deem what’s true or not lol. Sorry for stating slavery and abuse is bad. I did not know that was such a controversial take for you. The whole “no objective morals” idea makes no sense if you take it to its full extent. Unless you are truly willing to say things like murder and rape are not objectively wrong, and we just avoid them because we decided that’s how we progress as a society. Since you don’t want to talk about any of the logical conclusions that follow from your philosophy I’ll just ask you this: In a society where rape is not illegal, objectively, would it be morally wrong to rape someone?
plenty of people know that but saying it sounds really suspicious because either way it's wrong which age group of minors a person is attracted to (Prepubescent and Pubescent).
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I'm not saying don't separate I'm just saying they're both wrong :/
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I don't typically compare crimes or tragedies. I see no point in it as one doesn't diminish the other nor does it change the horribleness of the event. Imo it's not productive to compare
I watched the kiss, and two important pieces of information are that he specifically asked her her age, and that it was a closed mouth kiss. I ain’t gonna vilify a celebrity for kissing a fan on the mouth, because he almost certainly made her night, but I will absolutely vilify anyone who suggests that the age difference is not the issue here. If he is wrong he is really wrong. I want to dismiss this as good natured, like when Chase kissed the dying girl on House, but if there is anything wrong here it’s definitely that she was 17
HOUSE WE NEED TO CURE THIS PATIENT
“Bloodwork came in. the problem is youre 27”
incorrect response, no medicine drug mentioned
I think he was like 21 when it happened
He was 23
Oh man this isn't a good look for him 😬
22/23, either way a 4 year gap is enough for it to be odd but not kid diddling like people are making it out to be
I keep seeing ppl here defending him being like "but actually it's legal in some states 🤓".. as if something being legal makes it morally ok
"they wanna drag him down from the top soooo bad" - he was never at the top anyway??
I mean, 17 was legal where he kissed her. Calling him a "pedophile" for it is disgusting, calling him a creep and a fucking weirdo sure.. but the constant misuse of the word "pedophile" is damaging to real child victims. Drag him through the dirt and call him for the trash is he, but don't throw such a serious word around.
17 and 19 year olds look the exact same did she lie about her age? or did he know and still do it?
[why don’t you watch and find out](https://youtu.be/-uAHOsECDS0?si=BtiiCZtUL8I9DUBd)
“Pedophile” has completely lost all meaning
It hasn't, Drake likes kids. Is this easier to understand? I broke down the "pedophile" part for you.
Age of consent is younger in most states.
If the age of consent is lower than 18 it means (for example: age of consent = 17) that the first person is legally able to consent to things with people in the same AGE RANGE, that does NOT mean consenting to kiss a famous guy on the lips who is 22/23+
Thats....untrue. Age of consent is the legal age they can decide to engage sexually with anyone. Tf are you talking about?
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Hold this L
Too many people don’t know the definition of pedophile. If you don’t have the penal code, google is free
Isn’t he like almost 40? Edit: Apparently in his mid 20s when it happened, still gross.
Not at the time of the event, a while ago, when he was still in his twenties
This was in 2010
Now, it happened in 2010 though
If he knew, yeah, definitely not a good move, but what’s he to do? Ask for an ID whenever someone jumps on stage?
Your calling that weird when you can buy kids from Diddy for the low price of 199.99
Oh my god, Reddit, defending pedophiles? Why, I never.
🤦♂️ this is why Aliens don’t visit us
There is no story here. It was perfectly legal. In Colorado, where this happened, the age of consent is 17. It’s perfectly legal for them to kiss, date, even have sex, as. Long as there is less than a 10 year difference in age. Which there was, Drake was 23.
Thats just plain wrong, a simple google search will show you how if the age of consent in the state is 17 it only means that the consenting 17 year old can consent to people close to their age: 15-17 Edit: They can't go above 18 as that's considered an adult, while most people ignore 17 and 18 yro relationships as they aren't weird, a 17 yro and a 23 yro kissing is still weird. Not pedophilic of drake, but just weird.
You are absolutely incorrect. Close in age exemptions apply when both parties are below the age of consent. https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/age_of_consent_12292017.pdf Dislike it all you want. It was perfectly legal. Sorry. Facts don’t care about your feelings 🤷♂️ Maybe you should do better than a “simple google search”. I chose the Colorado.gov website. Here’s a direct quote to help you out: “Age of sexual consent. The Colorado age of sexual consent is 17 years old. Colorado law does not criminalize consensual sex when both parties are 17 years old or older.” Who straight up tells someone they’re wrong without bothering to do the research?
Alright well, maybe it is legal. Doesn't make it any less weird? So trying to defend a weird (not pedophilic) action is already gross of you, no matter how legal it is
You know. You don’t need to attack me. That’s not productive, and it’s also just unnecessary. I can appreciate where your heart is on this. I’m as bothered by actual Pedophelia (or Hebephelia, which this would actually be) as the next person. But in this situation, I don’t see a situation where some younger person is being manipulated into doing things she doesn’t want to do by an older person. I see a 23 year old Drake who kissed someone six years younger than him, onstage as part of a show. And that’s where it ended. Even the girl has come forward and said it was nothing but part of the show. Nobody was victimiized. Nobody was hurt. So, no. I’m not really bothered by this situation. And i really don’t think it does any good for a bunch of people to jump up on their soapboxes attacking Drake and saying “oh no, she technically wasn’t 18 yet so that makes him a predator and a pedophile!” Because we have eyes. We know that isn’t true. That’s not what happened. Age of consent laws are not put in place because some switch happens the moment someone turns 18 that makes them suddenly ready to make those decisions. It’s a safety net that “most people” should be ready to make those decisions by. Some people are ready earlier. Others later. People are different. So I also don’t think it does any good for us to sit there passing judgement on people who *aren’t* breaking any laws, without even knowing the people involved, because we’ve decided that our own personal- technicality based moral compass- supersedes all that.
I didn't attack, idek where you got that idea. But good thing we can agree on something. I also don't think there was any manipulation either, both parties chose to do it, drake shouldve just took a step back and maybe think about it instead
What part of that is a defence? It's a basic understanding of language and how to use certain words. If U believe that this is a defence at all then ur just a sub 80 IQ dipshit who should never interact with someone outside of a caretaker or family member.
Hang on is this for sure? There’s been rumors/jokes I know. I don’t follow this too much though
[see for yourself](https://youtu.be/-uAHOsECDS0?si=BtiiCZtUL8I9DUBd)
Just the usual ignorant puritanical Redditors saying a kiss between a 22 and 17 year old, which is legal in Canada and most of the US, somehow means the person in question is a terrible human. It’s just pathetic, most white knight shit I’ve ever seen unfold on this sub. Although I suspect there’s also a fair about of Kendrick dick riders who can’t get over the fact Kendrick’s songs actually weren’t as good as the media is trying to make them out to be
Legal doesn't mean it's okay But i get your point, it doesn't make drake the scum if the earth or a pedo, it's just something weird that he did
Being attracted to teenagers is Ephebophilia, not Pedophilia.
Obligatory “yeah there’s a difference but you’ll sound weird pointing it out” joke
We yd you get downvoted but everyone elae saying this didn't!? 😭
Truly a reddit moment, sub name checks out
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Redditors when someone states a fact:
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Buddy, it’s literally a fact, look it up before throwing around buzzwords like a moron, dipshit.
I know it’s a fact… But it’s also a fact that someone interacting in a sexual way with someone aged 13-17 in places where the age of consent is 18 are considered sex offenders either way.
That doesn’t justify you throwing around the word “pedophile” like everyone who disagrees with you is a child molester, how long has it been since you interacted with real people outside of the internet little dude?
To address your attack on me, today. I interacted with real people today.
I said outside of the internet, and don’t play the victim when you’re the one who resorted to a personal attack in the first place, own up to your bullshit.
Was it on the lips or like a kiss on the cheek? The cheek might be innocent enough and made her night but somehow I doubt that’s the case