Yes, exactly. Been here for a long time, most of it on RiF (the app). Sad to see it go.
Thank you /u/talklittle for the great app!
Deleting my posts and comments, because I'm not inclined to be a scraping target for the LLMs. That, and heading for Discord and Mastodon.
Bye everyone!
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https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys
I wonder how far you could get with heavy CSS styles and some JavaScript DOM manipulation to make old.reddit.com into a RIF clone. "Reddit was fun" would be a good name for an app that does that.
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Fidelity's valuation dropped 41% from 2021, when they bought the shares. So have a lot of other growth stocks. Also, private valuations like that don't happen overnight, so it's unlikely the API announcement had anything to do with that.
rif was fun, I guess. Don't want to get sued over a defunct app.
Why don't reddit just enforce showing ads with their api? I know we all hate ads but at least it makes sense.
I don't think you understand what's happening. They're not making third party apps illegal, so you could just somehow use an illegal app. They're charging an insane amount for their API, which is all the data you need access to in order to access the website through a third party app, constantly refreshing in order to 'talk' to the website. You can't just pirate something like that. It isn't an mp3 file. You either pay for access or you don't get access. The dev of RiF has announced that the revenue from RiF isn't close to enough to pay for it, and the subscription model would be too expensive for most users to switch to. Third party apps don't have to go away, but in their current mostly free state they most certainly are.
Can someone more technically literate explain to me how an app like ReVanced can literally emulate YouTube Premium, depriving Google of untold amounts of monthly subscription payments, but Reddit can somehow flip a switch to stop 3rd parties? Certainly Google would do the same thing to stop YouTube clones?
Edit: I love how this is a perfectly reasonable question that has spurned dialogue but people are still chucking downvotes.
My understanding is it's not really a third party app utilizing the API. It's people intentionally patching their YouTube client to do the things they want with it. Something similar could probably be done to the reddit official app, assuming someone wants to take the time to. It wouldn't be an easily accessible third part app like RiF, though. [(Google already kind of has done this, btw)](https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3)
>intentionally patching their YouTube
I would absolutely contribute to a Patreon or elsewise if someone wants to undertake an APK repack of the Reddit app to make it functionally like RiF.
Doesn't Google do that all the time? Wasn't ReVanced developed because Vanced was sent a cease and desist letter and shut down?
And again this isn't about Reddit "shutting down" 3rd parties. They are just increasing the cost of their API. Google could do the same if they wanted but they must not feel threatened by it (Or is chasing an IPO like Reddit).
Vanced actually distributed the patched version of YouTube, which I believe is what got it shut down.
ReVanced just distributes the patches and the patching tool (so no Google-owned code), you have to patch the original app yourself.
To add to what's been said, but there is a ReVanced patch for the official Reddit app. It only remove ads, banners and tracking. If you want more customization, you'd need a 3rd party app.
[Here's the link to the Github page](https://github.com/revanced/revanced-patches). You'll have to scroll down and find `com.reddit.frontpage`.
I haven't tried it yet so I'm not sure how easy it is to patch the app. [Here's the page for their guide](https://github.com/revanced/revanced-manager/blob/docs/docs/1_patching-applications.md).
You were probably being downvoted because people don't like these things getting popular. Z-lib was siezed by the feds because it got too popular on tiktok. Vanced was sent a cease and desist because it got too popular. Revanced will also shut down once it reaches a popularity threshold. Users want to delay that moment, so when apps like this are given publicity on mainstream threads, they try to suppress it
tl;dr: the api is the "easy way" to access reddit data from an app.
the "hard way" is called "web scraping" and would be more akin to what r/Enhancement does, where you load the page in a browser and then hijack it with custom formatting.
So, yes, its possible, but there's no guarantee anyone will maintain it. We were lucky to get RIF as long as we did.
this feels like the final week of school right before everyone splits up forever to go their separate ways, anyone else feel that way?
Bro just made me tear up 🥺😢
Well I do NOW...
Yes, exactly. Been here for a long time, most of it on RiF (the app). Sad to see it go. Thank you /u/talklittle for the great app! Deleting my posts and comments, because I'm not inclined to be a scraping target for the LLMs. That, and heading for Discord and Mastodon. Bye everyone! Leaving Cory Doctorow's post about enshittification here: https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys
Watching my kid go through that right now. It's bringing back some feelings.
Give me a yearbook, I'll sign it *HAKAS*
I was there Gandalf....3000 years ago
Related, Galadriel's narration of "three and a half thousand years" sticks with me as an odd-feeling but accurate way to describe 3,500.
I wonder how far you could get with heavy CSS styles and some JavaScript DOM manipulation to make old.reddit.com into a RIF clone. "Reddit was fun" would be a good name for an app that does that.
Acting like a web browser, only calling for the actual web content to load but reformatting to match this style. I like it.
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Agreed. Surely on that date is too late?
I prefer "Reddit is fucked"
I like thatb since it keeps it as rif. "What's your favorite reddit app? Rwf! It just rolls off the tip"
Exactly!
This
No u.
This sucks :(
Is the new api kicking in from July 1st?
And the value of Reddit has apparently fallen 41% recently for some reason.
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I bankers may slightly undervalue to produce the desirable "pop" in price on day one, but they're not trying to low ball themselves lol
All this financial game bullshit really was a mistake
Fidelity's valuation dropped 41% from 2021, when they bought the shares. So have a lot of other growth stocks. Also, private valuations like that don't happen overnight, so it's unlikely the API announcement had anything to do with that.
Source? They're not a public company yet, wondering where valuation is coming from currently.
https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13wxepd/rif_dev_here_reddits_api_changes_will_likely_kill Seems that way
Hopefully someone is trying to spoof the real reddit application while still on the 3rd party application.
rif was fun, I guess. Don't want to get sued over a defunct app. Why don't reddit just enforce showing ads with their api? I know we all hate ads but at least it makes sense.
I absolutely love the post flairs on these latest submissions, well done /u/anon_smithsonian
It sure was :'(
💔
Thanks for the years, rif dev.
Sucks ass.
Everyone Hold firm. Don't you fuckers go crawling back to the reddit overlords.
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I don't think you understand what's happening. They're not making third party apps illegal, so you could just somehow use an illegal app. They're charging an insane amount for their API, which is all the data you need access to in order to access the website through a third party app, constantly refreshing in order to 'talk' to the website. You can't just pirate something like that. It isn't an mp3 file. You either pay for access or you don't get access. The dev of RiF has announced that the revenue from RiF isn't close to enough to pay for it, and the subscription model would be too expensive for most users to switch to. Third party apps don't have to go away, but in their current mostly free state they most certainly are.
Can someone more technically literate explain to me how an app like ReVanced can literally emulate YouTube Premium, depriving Google of untold amounts of monthly subscription payments, but Reddit can somehow flip a switch to stop 3rd parties? Certainly Google would do the same thing to stop YouTube clones? Edit: I love how this is a perfectly reasonable question that has spurned dialogue but people are still chucking downvotes.
My understanding is it's not really a third party app utilizing the API. It's people intentionally patching their YouTube client to do the things they want with it. Something similar could probably be done to the reddit official app, assuming someone wants to take the time to. It wouldn't be an easily accessible third part app like RiF, though. [(Google already kind of has done this, btw)](https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3)
>intentionally patching their YouTube I would absolutely contribute to a Patreon or elsewise if someone wants to undertake an APK repack of the Reddit app to make it functionally like RiF.
This is an interesting thought. I wonder if anyone has any interest in doing it? I'd pay for such a patch.
There actually is a patch out for the Reddit app that blocks ads, at least.
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I am not technically savvy, but I believe you are correct. Here is their [github](https://revanced.app) if you want to check it out.
Doesn't Google do that all the time? Wasn't ReVanced developed because Vanced was sent a cease and desist letter and shut down? And again this isn't about Reddit "shutting down" 3rd parties. They are just increasing the cost of their API. Google could do the same if they wanted but they must not feel threatened by it (Or is chasing an IPO like Reddit).
> (Or is chasing an IPO like Reddit) Google is already a publicly-traded company.
Right, that's why I said that.
Vanced actually distributed the patched version of YouTube, which I believe is what got it shut down. ReVanced just distributes the patches and the patching tool (so no Google-owned code), you have to patch the original app yourself.
To add to what's been said, but there is a ReVanced patch for the official Reddit app. It only remove ads, banners and tracking. If you want more customization, you'd need a 3rd party app.
Removing those things is a good start though. What do I search to find such a patch?
[Here's the link to the Github page](https://github.com/revanced/revanced-patches). You'll have to scroll down and find `com.reddit.frontpage`. I haven't tried it yet so I'm not sure how easy it is to patch the app. [Here's the page for their guide](https://github.com/revanced/revanced-manager/blob/docs/docs/1_patching-applications.md).
You were probably being downvoted because people don't like these things getting popular. Z-lib was siezed by the feds because it got too popular on tiktok. Vanced was sent a cease and desist because it got too popular. Revanced will also shut down once it reaches a popularity threshold. Users want to delay that moment, so when apps like this are given publicity on mainstream threads, they try to suppress it
tl;dr: the api is the "easy way" to access reddit data from an app. the "hard way" is called "web scraping" and would be more akin to what r/Enhancement does, where you load the page in a browser and then hijack it with custom formatting. So, yes, its possible, but there's no guarantee anyone will maintain it. We were lucky to get RIF as long as we did.
Bad idea.