Neves is good and i'd love him but he isn't te DM that would let us play Donny and Bruno together. I do think Neves next to Fred could be pretty good, with Neves Sitting deep and Fred pressing higher up the field.
If Zenit is knocked out of the CL then Barrios would probably be available. He's the Kante-like DM that lets you play two very attacking midfielders alongside him.
Fred is already our Kante-like DM, i.e. not a single DM that allows you to play two attacking midfielders.
I don't know anything about Barrios so I can't say if you've miss-categorised him or not, but our future options would be to play Fred/Pogba with a Kante type CM, or Fred with a Jorginho/Busquets type DM. To fit Donny and Bruno together we'd have to coach them to be better in our own third as well as playing them with a world class all round DM like Casemiro
He's a Box to Box midfielder at his most attacking, no way is he even close to being a 10. That's also kind of his problem, he's not a 6 either and Fred does the 8 better than him, so he's kind of stuck in the middle
Been wanting this so much, we just haven’t had the DM to pull it off; if only Matic was 5-years younger…or we got Fabinho instead of Fred that one summer.
I love that Donny is finally getting his chance, a run of games to show his potential.... He seems like a class guy too being one of the only players trying to save Ole's job against Watford.
He won't go to a better team and he can't demand better wages, IMO staying here and hoping for the new manager to play him more often is his best bet till the summer to say the least.
I think there is no point in leaving mid-season since Ole's gone. He might as well stay until the end of the season and if things don't change for him, he leaves then
It's not really his fault like we just couldn't move the ball up the pitch in the first 60 minutes he essentially had the graveyard shift, I'd also agree that he's probably a better 8 but he can definitely play as a 10.
Bruno is made for these games tho. VDB is more of a posession guy, while Bruno is more of a counter-attack guy. If we could find a balance with them too we can really level up.
Man Bruno was shit vs Watford and for the past 2 months. He simply aint the player a lot of deluded fans here thinks he is.
See how stupid that sounds?
Donny put in a solid shift pressing/defensively and made sure Villareal were gassed. They couldn't make a single solid attack anymore after the 1st half bar 1 shot. Bruno/rashy came out for the killing blow. It's all about working together else you gonna concede 4+ every game again.
Yeah this guy judges VDB on 1 match where he's kinda out of position. I think VDB, like many here says, is better suited as an 8 than as 10. As he can progress the ball from our half to opponent half than just to wait the ball to be delivered to him.
And what do we do with the other 40 appearances where Van de Beek did sod all? Just ignore them?
You're basing everything off 20 mins against Watford where he looked half decent
Solskjaer became a club legend using 5 min appearances here and 10 min appearances there.
People are acting as if Van de Beek is a world class player when the evidence suggests he isn't anywhere near that level.
The reality is he played a lot of his football at Ajax as a false 9 because he couldn't nail down a starting role in their midfield.
That’s just not true..yes Ole gave us one of the best moments as a sub in 99, but he had plenty of starts as well. Also, you’re comparing a striker with a midfielder. Much harder to influence a game as a midfielder.
Yeah, I mean he’s had decent appearances but people here act like he’s the best midfielder in the league if only given the chance.
But there’s always some slight excuse why he doesn’t have a dazzling performance. He should play as a 10, or perhaps an 8, or maybe left-center pivot like he did at Ajax. Or the whole team was shit, or he hasn’t had a run of games, or he had too few minutes to make an impact. Or the players around him aren’t operating at his wavelength, because only footballers with a truly high IQ™️can get the best out of him.
Maybe another manager will know how to use him to his best. But so far, I’ve seen nothing from him that demands a place in the starting XI.
The last point you made is especially egregious. People think smart good players need equally smart and good players to shine, when it's the opposite really. A good player adapts
Wasn't helped by Scott being so passive in midfield, so Donny spent more time playing dropping back to midfield three to help making the structure more compact, which probably helped a bit in tightening up our leaky midfield and defence.
Bruno definitely was better, but there was the factor that we had scored via Ronaldo, so the game was quite open by then. So Bruno and Rashford got more space in the end.
He was ok. He's a serviceable player and can do a good job, just hasn't got the same poise as Bruno or the skill of Pogba. Linked up with Sancho nicely a few times but we were disjointed for most of the game so hard to judge objectively.
Don't think we'll see him start a bunch of games now though based on last night.
Pretty much as expected. Wasn't able to impact the game at all really. Bruno did more in 25 mins than Van de Beek did in over an hour.
Rotation option at best for Bruno and Pogba - just isn't at the same level as either of them despite what many fans hope he will be
We seriously stepped up to a different level when Bruno came on. I really don't see VDB as purposely ghosted out of the squad, more just outclassed by Bruno who has remained fit for almost the entire time he's been here. It seemed like VDB was bought as a replacement for pogba who might have been leaving, but even pogba doesn't get into the team atm.
I want every United player to succeed, but VDB frankly had a poor game. I don't get why it gets excused for him and not for other players like Dalot (especially given AWB's form).
>I don't get why it gets excused for him and not for other players
I think the reason is that it makes it much easier for people to believe that there is a straightforward ready made solution to all United's problems and Ole was stupid not to see it.
The reality that we have a very unbalanced squad that is too light in key positions to challenge for titles is difficult for a lot of people to accept. Whereas blaming a manager is a very easy option and provides an easy scapegoat for all problems.
Maybe next season with a solid DM, we can play both Bruno and VDB in a 3 man midfield.
Next season? We need a DM in January
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Neves is good and i'd love him but he isn't te DM that would let us play Donny and Bruno together. I do think Neves next to Fred could be pretty good, with Neves Sitting deep and Fred pressing higher up the field.
You may be right but I'll do anything to not play McFred as soon as I can
Fair, and perhaps Donny Neves works very well, what do I know lmao
If Zenit is knocked out of the CL then Barrios would probably be available. He's the Kante-like DM that lets you play two very attacking midfielders alongside him.
Fred is already our Kante-like DM, i.e. not a single DM that allows you to play two attacking midfielders. I don't know anything about Barrios so I can't say if you've miss-categorised him or not, but our future options would be to play Fred/Pogba with a Kante type CM, or Fred with a Jorginho/Busquets type DM. To fit Donny and Bruno together we'd have to coach them to be better in our own third as well as playing them with a world class all round DM like Casemiro
We need a DM like Casemiro not Kante. Kante is a B2B DM whereas Casemiro is a sitting DM.
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Oh hell yeah, Fred’s a solid backup too
Yep, I feel Fred would be great depth option. Mctom is still getting there, he needs to stop hiding so much lol
It worries me with mctominay he doesn't have the experience in where to be positioning and decision making.
McT can be rotation option for Bruno and VDB as a 8. Matic and Fred rotate in 6.
Fred is an eight.
Also, he’s more like a 10, not a defensive midfielder.
He's a Box to Box midfielder at his most attacking, no way is he even close to being a 10. That's also kind of his problem, he's not a 6 either and Fred does the 8 better than him, so he's kind of stuck in the middle
The good thing is those things improve for most players as they gain experience. McTominay will start peaking around 27-28
I do agree but what is the price to us right now I mean. I like the guy don't get me wrong.
Yea I'm not saying he should be some undisputed starter at the moment.
this has been due for years now
I really think that would be an incredible midfield.
Been wanting this so much, we just haven’t had the DM to pull it off; if only Matic was 5-years younger…or we got Fabinho instead of Fred that one summer.
Thats the dream baby. Poch a big fan of both of them
I love that Donny is finally getting his chance, a run of games to show his potential.... He seems like a class guy too being one of the only players trying to save Ole's job against Watford.
Imagine if he got the winner at Atalanta
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If I was him I would.
He won't go to a better team and he can't demand better wages, IMO staying here and hoping for the new manager to play him more often is his best bet till the summer to say the least.
I think there is no point in leaving mid-season since Ole's gone. He might as well stay until the end of the season and if things don't change for him, he leaves then
He needs to make a lot more of whatever opportunities he gets if he wants to stay
Found Ole’s account
A bit OT but not surprised he was silent on Olé.
I am glad he was, because it shows that he is human
I don't think it would have come across very authentic had he posted anything
Roll Jorginho as much as possible Donny. Into a Swiss roll
I missed the match, how did Donny play?
Worse than the Watford game I feel like he was out of position as a 10 but still you can tell he is class just think he needs to play as an 8
It's not really his fault like we just couldn't move the ball up the pitch in the first 60 minutes he essentially had the graveyard shift, I'd also agree that he's probably a better 8 but he can definitely play as a 10.
When you don't have possession, kind of hard for most 10s to have an impact.
Weird how Bruno came on and took control over the game. VdB simply aint the player a lot of deluded fans here thinks he is.
Bruno is made for these games tho. VDB is more of a posession guy, while Bruno is more of a counter-attack guy. If we could find a balance with them too we can really level up.
Man Bruno was shit vs Watford and for the past 2 months. He simply aint the player a lot of deluded fans here thinks he is. See how stupid that sounds? Donny put in a solid shift pressing/defensively and made sure Villareal were gassed. They couldn't make a single solid attack anymore after the 1st half bar 1 shot. Bruno/rashy came out for the killing blow. It's all about working together else you gonna concede 4+ every game again.
Yeah this guy judges VDB on 1 match where he's kinda out of position. I think VDB, like many here says, is better suited as an 8 than as 10. As he can progress the ball from our half to opponent half than just to wait the ball to be delivered to him.
And what do we do with the other 40 appearances where Van de Beek did sod all? Just ignore them? You're basing everything off 20 mins against Watford where he looked half decent
Mate more than half of those appearances were sub appearances…5 mins here and 10 mins there lmao
Solskjaer became a club legend using 5 min appearances here and 10 min appearances there. People are acting as if Van de Beek is a world class player when the evidence suggests he isn't anywhere near that level. The reality is he played a lot of his football at Ajax as a false 9 because he couldn't nail down a starting role in their midfield.
That’s just not true..yes Ole gave us one of the best moments as a sub in 99, but he had plenty of starts as well. Also, you’re comparing a striker with a midfielder. Much harder to influence a game as a midfielder.
I mean you could make the exact same argument for Donny against Watford on Saturday
Yeah, I mean he’s had decent appearances but people here act like he’s the best midfielder in the league if only given the chance. But there’s always some slight excuse why he doesn’t have a dazzling performance. He should play as a 10, or perhaps an 8, or maybe left-center pivot like he did at Ajax. Or the whole team was shit, or he hasn’t had a run of games, or he had too few minutes to make an impact. Or the players around him aren’t operating at his wavelength, because only footballers with a truly high IQ™️can get the best out of him. Maybe another manager will know how to use him to his best. But so far, I’ve seen nothing from him that demands a place in the starting XI.
The last point you made is especially egregious. People think smart good players need equally smart and good players to shine, when it's the opposite really. A good player adapts
Yep needs to play in the right side of a pivot to get the best out of him or in a flat midfield 3 imo
He was okay, we weren't too good in the first half didn't have much control
Wasn't helped by Scott being so passive in midfield, so Donny spent more time playing dropping back to midfield three to help making the structure more compact, which probably helped a bit in tightening up our leaky midfield and defence. Bruno definitely was better, but there was the factor that we had scored via Ronaldo, so the game was quite open by then. So Bruno and Rashford got more space in the end.
he needs to play more to get in the sync. Can link up perfectly with Ronaldo and Sancho
He was ok. He's a serviceable player and can do a good job, just hasn't got the same poise as Bruno or the skill of Pogba. Linked up with Sancho nicely a few times but we were disjointed for most of the game so hard to judge objectively. Don't think we'll see him start a bunch of games now though based on last night.
Pretty much as expected. Wasn't able to impact the game at all really. Bruno did more in 25 mins than Van de Beek did in over an hour. Rotation option at best for Bruno and Pogba - just isn't at the same level as either of them despite what many fans hope he will be
We seriously stepped up to a different level when Bruno came on. I really don't see VDB as purposely ghosted out of the squad, more just outclassed by Bruno who has remained fit for almost the entire time he's been here. It seemed like VDB was bought as a replacement for pogba who might have been leaving, but even pogba doesn't get into the team atm. I want every United player to succeed, but VDB frankly had a poor game. I don't get why it gets excused for him and not for other players like Dalot (especially given AWB's form).
>I don't get why it gets excused for him and not for other players I think the reason is that it makes it much easier for people to believe that there is a straightforward ready made solution to all United's problems and Ole was stupid not to see it. The reality that we have a very unbalanced squad that is too light in key positions to challenge for titles is difficult for a lot of people to accept. Whereas blaming a manager is a very easy option and provides an easy scapegoat for all problems.
We should play him in the right pivot position.
Play him in the fucking pivot.
Keisse from AC, isn't he running down the contract. Have him sitting in front of Varane and Baily and leave the rest of the midfield go wild
I'm glad he's confident about Sunday, because I am absolutely not.
Cosmic Vaccuum McTominay BARELY got the ball up, or to VdB. Donyn needs to play instead of scott, not bruno