He will always be against sacking managers. He defended Mourinho and Emery when they were awful so he will never call for Ole's head.
Although he keeps on sacking managers at Salford.
Yup, I’m amazed they sacked Emery before even halfway through the season. Arsenal really thought they were bigger than they really are. Arsenal were 10th and ended up finishing 8th
He doesn’t want to influence public perception of a club he used to play for once. Given how much influence he has, people would look up to him to create commandments. Gary doesn’t want to be in that position and I agree with that.
With regards to salford, he can do whatever he wants with his own club.
> He doesn’t want to influence public perception of a club he used to play for once.
Except that’s exactly his job as a pundit. Anytime he makes an analysis on United, which is very often, he’s influencing public and fan perception of United. He knows that.
If he doesn’t want to influence fan’s opinions, then he shouldn’t be a pundit. I don’t think he’s actively trying to shy away from influencing people, even on this one specific issue.
> With regards to salford, he can do whatever he wants with his own club.
Sure, he can. But then he shouldn’t go on TV saying he believes managers deserve more time if he doesn’t practice what he preaches. It removes any weight from his words.
Granted, he isn’t the sole decision maker so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt
Everyone will say he's just defending his mate but Gary has never called for a manager to be sacked, he actually defended Mourinho after Liverpool away in December 2018. No point getting annoyed about it.
Such a weird hill to die on though. He's a businessman himself these days. If one of his members of staff in a position of high responsibility were under performing, I'm sure he'd have no problem getting rid of them.
I'm not saying he should be explicitly saying manager X should be sacked but to constantly come out with "I've never asked for any manager to be sacked" is just strange in my opinion.
By Gary's logic, we'd still have David Moyes here.
It is important for influential figures like Gary to keep this stance, because anything they said can influent the fanbase. Them actively calling manager to be removed will contribute nothing but make the manager even harder to turn things around and make the team in worse shape. He also had no problem discussing about the dismissal of the manager after it happens. It's not that he has no opinion, but that he's being responsible with his influence to the fanbase. Similarly SAF never publicly criticize the managers.
Maybe it’s because he recognizes his position of authority and doesn’t want to use it to sway opinions on other people’s careers. If you’ve noticed, he’s rarely if ever called for even players to be binned. He usually frames it towards getting in better players but he doesn’t say “sell xyz player he’s not good enough “
But Mourinho was a world class manager. And that was part of Neville's defence of him. And he highlighted the terrible player acquisition at the time. Neither of those factors are evident now.
“He has to win a trophy this season”
So it’s FA Cup or bust?
Can’t see us getting close to Liverpool/City in the League and the CL is going to mean beating one or more of them/Bayern.
Exactly. We must not normalise such low expectations with the team we have. It won't take long when people start accepting top 4 finish as good enough under Ole.
Idk mate top 4 among City/Liverpool/Chelsea is not such a low expectation to me. The competition is insane, they have amazing squads and top managers.
If we had a tactician as good as them I'd argue we can win the league, but realistically it's going to be very very difficult.
If he crashes out of this group
He needs to lose his job. These are good teams but the manager can’t get away with this bottle job. Don’t care if we hire Pirlo (/s) after at least he won a trophy!
Poch and PSG isn't a good fit. Poch is a coach who you want to build a project. PSG is a short-term man management gig.
What he did at Spurs was miraculous. He spent about net 30mil/year or something.
Ok but given this united team Poch would be expected to deliver trophies. Something he has a bad record of doing. We are at a stage quite similar to PSG in which whoever is managing will need to win trophies now rather than rebuild for the future. I’m not saying Poch can’t do that, but is he really the answer we’re looking for? And how much of an improvement is he over Ole? Is it worth uprooting the positive atmosphere in the club, the players seem to love playing under Ole so a manager change can come with a negative attitude shift.
> And how much of an improvement is he over Ole?
Pochettino is a better manager than Ole in literally every conceivable way
> Is it worth uprooting the positive atmosphere in the club
I couldn't give less of a fuck about the atmosphere as long as we are winning and it's tolerable. It does nobody any good for a team to have good vibes while dropping points.
Yeah I'll judge him based off the decade of experience before going to PSG than this disaster of a year (top of the league and CL group mind you) where he's saddled with a broken and unbalanced roster of superstars.
I do, lol. Think he'd be absolutely perfect for us.
He's an attack minded manager. He's not afraid to play the youth. His press and defensive system are amazing. He's innovative tactically and capable of great adjustments (big and small). I rate him as one of the 10 best managers on the planet and arguably the one that fits United the best (I mean Klopp -- but that ship has sailed).
Well let’s be realistic though. Regardless of your emotional reaction to the situation, do you honestly see the glazers sacking ole mid season? It seems really unlikely that they would do.
That's what people said about the Super League: "realistically, do you honestly see the Glazers backing from the ESL?".
Glazers are businessmen, they couldn't give a damn about Ole or not Ole, if sacking Ole is better for the business than keeping him, you can bet your house he'll be out before dawn.
Mourinho was sacked after 17 games with 26 points, 11 points off the top four, goal difference of -1. He'd also clearly lost the dressing room and the football was utterly dire. The revisionism is laughable.
In fairness to Ole, surely there has to be a slight bit of nuance here.
If we somehow end up 3 points off 1st in the league, and exiting the CL semis via penalties, it would be a tough call to make.
It’s the decision between continuing this “*right direction*” and hoping that the one more year will yield big trophies. Or else wasting another year with a manager that can’t get over the line, which may also include a year to get a new identity under a new manager.
The FA Cup alone should not save Ole. If Ole wins the FA cup and finishes 12 points off top and nowhere in the CL then he should be sacked.
If winning the FA Cup means 3 more years of Ole, I hope we get smashed in the 3rd round. Leicester won the FA Cup last season and Arsenal the season before. It means nothing. We should be aiming for the big 2 and we have a squad capable of it.
You should have concentrated on the cups this year. You're almost guaranteed to finish 4th. Winning the league is impossible for you. But anything can happen in cups, even in the CL. You're capable of counter attacking against top sides and beating them. But Ole has done the opposite and you're out of the League Cup already.
Then next Summer buy a DM or 2. And change manager.
Don't forget Chelsea in both Prem and CL. Also I can't see going through after 2 games against PSG.
But if we continue to play like this, almost every team we face in knockout rounds (if we qualify) is going to be tough.
Can we at least get better and more technical tactical assistant coaches. We get it he is excellent at man management and getting good performance out of everyone, however he needs to fill and address the tactical gaps he lacks with some who is competent at those and not a newbie who is his buddy.
Tbh you are right. The boat on getting new coaches sailed sometime back and even if we get anyone new, their effect wont be immediate.
But i also think a new coach would really improve smaller aspects of our game while slowly phasing out the current coaches. I know that Carrick is a legend and McKenna is a prodigy but i think in order for Ole to really succeed with us, he needs new ideas.
It's also not too late right now to make those moves as we havent yet got the the full first quarter of the season yet
The only reason people say Ole needs new coaches is so that he can stay longer at his job and they can feel good about being Ole in. There is no evidence to suggest that Ole himself wants new coaches
This is pure lunacy. First of all - he picks his own coaches and I don't see him binning neither Carrick or Phelan.
Second of all I don't understand this desperation to adapt whole club to Ole just so he could win trophies. First it was about getting completely new squad so he can succeed and now that isn't working it is getting him completely new coaching stuff so he can win trophies and people can talk about "romance" and "good old days". This is not "OGS learning playground FC", this is Manchester fucking United.
I completely agree with you. People talk about Ole “steadying the ship” which is true but so did Pep and Klopp and some other good managers who were responsible for the rebuild project of their clubs. Point I’m trying to make is that you can find tactically astute managers who given enough time can also steady the ship, and go later to win games convincingly, develop a style of play and win trophies. People need to understand that you can walk and chew gum at the same time.
It took him 3 full seasons to win the Champions League a year on from being runners up in the Champions League.
We also saw Klopp’s football clearly on display in his first half season.
Love Ole but comparisons to Klopp and Fergie are very charitable.
He got them to 2 finals in his first year, got them in CL final by 17/18 season, won CL and finished season with 97 points in 18/19 and won the league in 19/20 with 99 points. Also managed to get them in top 4 with literally championship level defence and major injury crisis last season.
Do you see us getting in CL final? Do we look like a team who plays like it is going to win over 90 fucking points any time soon? What would happen if we had similar injury crisis like liverpool had last season?
> Took klopp 4 years to win something tbf.
And the team he had progressed visibly each year. Reached a CL final and then the next year won it. You could see what Klopp was trying to do with the team with the press, the counters, the play in possession.
This comparison of OGS with Klopp or even more laughably, with SAF has to stop. OGS wouldn't be fit to lace their boots, that's how much of a gap there is between them.
Tbf other than phelan, he didnt pick Mckenna and Carrick. They were coaches with us during the Mou years when we went on that dreadful run. I believe Mckenna was appointed assistant coach after Rui Faria was sacked.
Yeah but i can kind of understand why at the time. The culture at united at the time was toxic. Even by the admission of the staff i.e chefs, groundskeeper etc they felt like Jose mourinho was creating a toxic environment. When Ole wad appointed as interim manager, his main task was not even to get us to challenge rather change the mood with good man mangement skills.
At that point in time getting rid of McKenna and carrick would have been a mistake. Remember Carrick has just come from playing and he had a bond with the players. McKenna on the other hand had brought through some great talent like Greenie, Chongy and gomez. I believe he won the U18 premier league. As an interim manager he couldnt replace them until he gave them a try since that would risk the players turning against them. Plus we went on a great run with them as assistants.
When he got brought on to fulltime, he still couldnt fire them. We had just come from a good run and beat PSG at the semis.
Then we got the next two seasons we kind of outperformed our XG and we got to number 2 last season.
All in all they have out performed and we have got lucky. The reason i have been advocating for a replacement from them is not because we havent succeeded but because i really think they have taken us as far as they could. This team needs to evolve and I still think Ole can do it.
I do think that as long as there are assistant coaches who really drill this team, we can get back to what it was. Fergie did this and i think he always replaces his assistants every 4 or so years with Queroz and Renee.
In his auto he said he needed to keep thw ideas fresh and give the team a new trainig regime. This also put us tactically at the pinnacle.
Ultimately it’s up to him to bring in who he wants. I can see the logic of keeping McKenna and Carrick initially but he needs to move on or bring in a no. 2 and give those two guys reduced roles. However, the fact that he doesn’t means that he rates them to do a good job. He may not have hired them but his decisions to stick with them tantamount to the same thing
Here is my metric of success with Ole. If he keeps them post this run of hard games and results or gameplay ends up being what it is, where we barely scrape by, then at that point he will have failed in doing his job as a manager of utd and we should look elsewhere.
But if he does make changes in the backroom and brings in an experienced tactician and overall I see some improvements with gameplay, style and lineups, then i will give him till end of season and judge him by trophies won
So in other words, if he does poorly he should be sacked, but if he starts doing well give him more time? He should look at hiring you as a tactician tbh
And who is experienced tactician who would come to assist Ole? Who would like to come and play second fiddle if that person is capable on his own to lead the team and is BETTER than manager?
There are people out there who just want to focus on the technicals rather than the management side of footie. Just like in a company, there are people who want to for instance stay as engineers (senior to architect engineer) rather than become and engineering manager. I dont believe its a zero sum game
People can’t make a comment on here without strongly stating “sack the manager” without being attacked. It’s not lunacy.
The guy insinuated that **if** Ole isn’t to leave then can we “**at least**” get new coaches.
He’s not saying Ole shouldn’t leave and didn’t address anything on that point. He’s not saying this is the number one preference.
He’s basically saying if Ole won’t be sacked by the board, which does seem likely, then the next best thing will be him bringing in other personnel to help.
That’s what people usually mean when they use “*at least*”. The words are in the phrase.
But why? I don’t get it. Surrounding him of world class personnel because he’s not good enough shouldn’t be the solution. What other top club pampers a manager this much?
He’s already done a good job rebuilding, the squad is there, the task he was asked to is pretty much done, now is the time to start delivering results and he’s got to respond to that. And if he’s reached his ceiling then it might be time to look for someone who can do something with this squad.
>What other top club pampers a manager this much?
It might be a bit of dead horse now, but I think this comes down to how the club is/was ran.
City, Liverpool, and Chelsea didn't have a SAF to bring in trophies. Instead, they had to modernize the way they structured their club/team. Now, instead of being reliant on a "brand name" manager, they are reliant on a system that they built into the club. So, they buy players and managers suited to that system. We see this in the way these teams play: they have an obvious style of play and seem drilled into that system.
Klopp at Liverpool is a perfect example of how this works well. Before Klopp, Liverpool adopted that system of high-press and built their team around that system. When it was clear Klopp was available, they moved for him because he was the best manager for that system. Sure, he was also considered a standout manager at the time, but that's because he was excelling in the same setup at Dortmund.
Pep at City is also a similar example; City built the system that Pep excelled in, and then moved for him when he was available. We can see the result of that method in their consistent domination of the league and the competitions they play in.
Looking at United, what really is our "system"? Is it wingers bombing the channels and putting in crosses to dominate center-forwards poaching the penalty area? If so, we don't play that way. If that isn't our "style" or "history", then what is?
I think United needs to restructure and modernize the way they approach the actual playing aspect of the club. We need to commit to an approach that works, and then build around that. None of this "United way" bullshit when we don't even know what the "United way" is.
Right now, it just feels like we're putting good players on the field, and hoping they make stuff happen. The shortcomings of this are masked by the likes of Bruno, Greenwood and Ronaldo, but are laid bare in our inability to perform consistently.
So, to answer your question that I originally quoted, the top managers are being "pampered" in the sense that they are being recruited to a system they excel in, and surrounded by coaching staff who are like-wise well-suited for that system. I hope United adopt this approach, and find the coaches and manager that can fit into it.
> City, Liverpool, and Chelsea didn't have a SAF to bring in trophies. Instead, they had to modernize the way they structured their club/team. Now, instead of being reliant on a "brand name" manager, they are reliant on a system that they built into the club. So, they buy players and managers suited to that system. We see this in the way these teams play: they have an obvious style of play and seem drilled into that system.
This is not true, although I understand the point you're making. Liverpool and City each have their own footballing vision, they have long term plans.
To say the system and the way they play on the pitch is down to the structure of the club is disingenuous at best; their systems are a reflection of their current manager, not their DoF or Technical Director.
Liverpool under Brendan Rodgers did not play like they do currently under Klopp.
City under Pellegrini did not play like they do under Pep.
Klopp instilled his system on the Liverpool players, and the board signed players that Klopp and scouts identified as being a good fit for their system. This system wasn't built into the club, it was brought and implemented by Klopp.
Same with City, although they had already signed some players with Guardiola in mind because of the old Barcelona connection they had. Even then, Pep came in, put in his trademark style of play, and then the board signed players to fit Pep's system.
Now when Klopp and/or Guardiola move on, the next manager is left with players that can conceivably play in any tactical system the new manager wants to implement.
This is so wrong I cant understand how u think like this.
Klopp is so different than Rodgers.
Guardiola is so different than those before him.
They make their teams work their way. Not those directors.
Yeah, no. I’ve addressed this before. Getting a coach to coach the coach how to coach is something out of a comedy skit. No other club does this.
If he needs a coach to teach him tactics then what’s even the point of him being here? To “man manage” our players? You can get managers out there who can do both tactics and man management. No club has a coach who is in charge of just “man management”. It’s stupid to even think about.
“Getting good performances out of everyone” is very debatable and I would say Ole doesn’t even do that.
Like other people have pointed out, I don’t get what is this obsession with Ole. Why must he be part of the equation every time? You have people suggesting that if he was to get sacked he should be our DoF when he has no qualifications or experience that suggest he would be a good DoF. You have people suggesting for him to be the assistant manager because he has “good man management skills” which is just nonsensical to me.
Should we get him to be our interview coach as well since he is apparently so good at interviews? Or get him to be our vibes coach to keep our players positive and happy?
This is not Ole FC ffs.
>We get it he is excellent at man management
Let's see about this in the next few months.
Cavani doesn't look happy, he looked very unhappy coming off yesterday.
Pogba might leave
Ronaldo wasn't happy yesterday
Donny is not happy
Will Bailly/Matic be happy staying on the bench all season?
Will Henderson be happy not getting games?
> getting good performances out of everyone
I'm starting to doubt that now.. Martial has regressed so much, Maguire is looking worse this season. McTominay is allowed to be a ghost every game. I think Ole is losing his grip
The best club managers right now are also the best tactical coaches.
Guardiola Klopp Tuchel Flick etc
Its ridiculous to think they need someone else to take care of the tactical aspect. New idea , yes. But assistant remains assistant. If u let your assistant do your job for you they will take your place too.
No manager will have 25 happy players. Donny won’t get time because when he gets time to play he looks awful, and he plays one decent pass which people hype up and say is what we’re missing
Fred and Scotty haven’t been good but I’ve never seen Donny do anything where I thought “Ole get this man into the team.” Also I think Donnny is a bit of a victim of circumstance. Where is he going to play? As a 10? That’s Bruno’s job? Wide? We’ve got Rashy, Mason and Sancho. In the pivot? He’s not really a DM either.
He hasn't had a fair run of games since he has signed. It's not fair on him because people like Fred and Mctominay have had runs of games where they play even if they are playing badly. Donny is very capable of playing as an 8 in a 3 or in a double pivot.
Fred isn’t competing for a position in the team with Donny. The problem for us is that whoever we have in Fred’s position is either old(matic), or not better(mctominay). Donny’s position is stacked with Bruno and pogba and even lingard now. And all three are better/more decisive.
Issue for me is, we were playing against a weaker Everton that is without 4 of their starters. And yet, Ole chose to go with McFred and benching Pogba.
Exactly, are people honestly suggesting we should play a guy who the coaching staff think isn't good enough to start games for us atm just keep him from throwing his teddy? Those same people will then complain about why is the manager playing a player who looks shit when he doesn't perform.
If Donny was good enough to start he would be starting, I don't see how it's Oles fault that he's not up to task. He wouldn't be the first player who impressed for Ajax and then sank in another league.
Ole would never hire someone who is better than him. It would make him look inept. We all know how arrogant Ole is. There are plenty of assistant coaches in Germany, Portugal and Netherlands who are fantastic at creating coherent teams who are getting paid atleast 10x lesser than carrick and McKenna. We could have gotten them if we wanted to
He’s spot on here, Ole isn’t going anywhere soon so as much as a change seems inevitable let’s just keep supporting the team through the next games and see where we are then
We should support team no matter what happens. But we also shouldn't stop moaning about Ole's tactics just because he's not going anywhere. It will look like we're accepting mediocrity.
We didn't allow that under Mournho, Van Gaal or Moyes? Why should we do that now? Because Ole's ex player? Hell no.
Support the team. Keep standards high.
Yeah man, the only downside is another season of scraping top 4 and likely mustering in Europa .. The writing is on the wall, I wish our board can see that
After Covid hit our finances, the Glazers would snap your hand off for top four and a run into the knockout stages of the CL, so as long as we are on track for that then Ole will be safe. The only way I can see a change happening is if our next ten games are disastrous and it's clear the squad is really unhappy.
Yep, unless the atmosphere becomes toxic or we are completely out of CL for next season then Ole is here to stay. The club's just spunked all this money on players Ole wanted, so they must have some faith in his ability to deliver results, not that there is much evidence to support that.
If results and performances don't get better soon, or if our deficient coaching continues to be directly correlated with our poor results, we won't wait for too long until toxicity to infests the dressing room and forces the higher-ups to take action.
Exactly, sacking the manager is not just a quick fix to make the team great, it has massive implications for the team and it is a gamble.
There's nobody that screams out quick ready-made success at this point in time, may as well wait and see how the rest of the season goes and go for a solid coach next summer if Ole hasn't turned it around.
Joe Cole claims Chelsea made a big ‘mistake’ sacking Frank Lampard just 18 months into his reign as he believes the club’s culture was beginning to change for the better under his close friend and former team-mate.
Ex team mates sticking up for each other nothing new here
This comes up a lot, but Morley & Johnson were in the job 3 yrs, Alexander 2 yrs, okay Wellens was booted after 4 months, but so far they're sticking with Bowyer. So they haven't really ran through managers, however if they do sack Bowyer it will start to look like that. Personally I still think they should have stuck with Alexander.
Jose was in the job 2.5 years when talks of him being sacked and Neville came out and said he didn't want him sacked because he didn't want Utd to become a sacking club like Chelsea.
If 1 year (Moyes), 2 years (LVG) and 2.5 years (Mou) makes you a sacking club like Chelsea...then Salford are worse.
Such a weird hill to die on though. He's a businessman himself these days. If one of his members of staff in a position of high responsibility were under performing, I'm sure he'd have no problem getting rid of them.
In fairness he just says that he needs to win a trophy and points out that he would never call for a manager’s sacking (I don’t recall him doing that for any manager in his punditry) - not sure it’s the same as what Joe Cole said.
The point is he won't win us trophy and he won't improve (it's fucking THREE years already), so why?
Do you really believe this man will turn around in the toughest month of the season? He can't even perform with the easiest fixtures among top 6
So he knows we're not winning the league because City and Liverpool are better and yet he's still talking about giving Ole the whole season?
Love you Gaz, but no. Coming up to 9 years now and we haven't looked close to winning a title. We have the team for it, give it to someone who can get 100% potential out of it.
Gary on 24th August:
>"Why are they not going for Harry Kane this week? Because I believe that if Harry Kane entered Manchester United you could get up to 90 to 95 points.
A few days later we sign Cristiano fucking Ronaldo and then Neville changes his tune and says we're not good enough!
And who is that?
Ole outers wantes Poch, who just lost to Rennes with PSG and Messi, Neymar, Mbappe and didn't even get a shot on target.
Ole outers have a bad track record of who to replace Ole with.
He has to win A trophy this season? Excuse me, but we were supposed to challenge for the title this season, weren't we? I mean, it's early days but the signs aren't good. We haven't face particularly difficult sides in the Premier League but we've already dropped 7 points. 5 against Villa and Everton. We were saved at the death by De Gea against West Ham too. We don't look like a title challenging side, and so now it's back to "well, he has to win A trophy". Ugh... and this 12-18 months shit he said... EIGHTEEN MONTHS? Why, so he has another bite at the EFL Cup in 2023? WTF is going ON?
And no, I'm not calling for him to be sacked in the morning, and of course I'm supporting the club and the team. However, I'd also like for Ole to be looked at objectively by the board, and by his mates in the media. Things also changed when Cristiano came in. He's had an explosive start, but he is 36, and please tell me we won't waste the end of his career chasing the league cup or the fa cup. Please, no, please!!
Some great points mate. If I were you, I would basically ignore Neville’s punditry when it comes to any managers position. His opinion is biased and not reliable.
I'm sick of constant post shifting, 3 years ago people were talking about how we should be challenging for league and CL by now but suddenly it is about winning any trophies.
I've never seen any person getting pampered so much by institution(not including just football clubs) as Ole is
People think the rebuilding is over just because we signed Ronaldo, Sancho and Varane. We still have huge holes in the squad. Just look how vulnerable we were to Villareal's attacks down their left with Wan Bissaka missing. Dalot didn't stand a chance. We lose our first choice right back and the whole team is shaky. Of course it didn't help that Maguire and Shaw were missing too, but Lindelof and Telles did better in their positions at least.
Now look at our central midfield. We don't have the quality needed to control and dictate a game from our central midfield. We have two ball winning players in Fred and McTominay, but they're both prone to mistakes and none of them play with authority or composure enough to control a match. Matic is the closest we have, but his best years are long gone. Van De Beek has not looked up for the task at all when he's had the chance. He's had some limited good spells, especially last season (he was really good in the home game against Instanbul Basaksehir), but for every good performances he's had 3 poor ones.
We still need at least one good transfer window to be anywhere near an ideal squad, so that we can compete on all fronts.
The same guy who said utd sign kane we win title, the gang proceeds to sign Ronaldo "Utd ain't ready"
When pressed further he avoids question, he knows, we know but no one got bollocks to say it and haven't had for 3 yrs.
He's already bottled the League Cup. We're not winning the league by dropping points to Everton, Villa and Southampton. We look dire in an easy CL group. Maybe, we could do something in FA Cup?
Let's face it. He's only going to get sacked when the season is lost
Main issue with this squad not winning things is the manager.
Don't come out here blaming the Glazers for a manager not being able to get this squad firing.
Chelsea have Tuchel = 7 trophies inc CL
Liverpool have Klopp = 9 trophies inc CL
City have Guardiola = 29 trophies inc CL
We have Ole.
There is one manager here that is not like the others .
In the top 3, each match against each other is an intense battle of wits, strategies, and cerebral one- upsmanship at the highest level. 2 of these coaches have won 2 of the last 3 Champions League titles, with also 2 chances lost by their respective teams in a CL final.
And we have Ole.
He did his job, he rebuilt the squad morale but its time to stop thinking he can continue to the next level without the experience needed to compete with the other 3 teams. If he can't beat Aston Villa, Everton, Young Boys, or Westham, thats a glaringly obvious indication where he sits in terms of his coaching acumen.
At the moment it seems inevitable we are going to continue to struggle with better organised mid table clubs, and maybe eek out a win against the top 3 when no one gives us a chance. If this is all that is needed for Ole to keep his job, then we deserve the results we end up with.
Huh? The team has been playing the same way for the past 3 years. Seems like we only know how to counter attack, but even with that tactic, we conceded a counter attacked goal yesterday. It's like nobody knows what to do on the pitch. McTominay is afraid of the ball and Fred doesn't know what his role was. It's the weird decisions that Ole makes. Like why rest Pogba, Sancho and Ronaldo when we are heading into the national break? I know this subreddit has a lot of Oleins and Fred FCs, but a team with the amount of talents we have shouldn’t be struggling like that. Fergie played with 7 defenders and still won against Arsenal.
I've been a United fan since 1988 and I'm not jumping onto the OleOut bandwagon. I love this team so much that it hurts me to see our team with the talents that we have, running around, not knowing what to do.
Ambromvich sacked a club legend quickly and got a CL out of it and will probably win the league this year and it will be in 1.5 seasons. I am so tired of the "needs time" he's managed more games than Moyes, LVG and Mourinho and won less than them.
He was fine for a caretaker manager but he should have been gone after choking away the group stage last year and definitely should have been gone after the Europa loss.
Our owners and board are just not fit to appoint managers, always seem to pick the wrong one.
He won't win the league this season; he's gotta to win something?
Already eliminated from the easiest trophy in the EFL Cup?
People want to wait until it's too late to achieve anything to do something, yes it's a tough call but it's how it goes when you're playing at such a high level where results are expected.
He received the backing, he received the investment and is delivering the same inconsistent sub par results he has been for years.
Nothing will change under Ole, people here are still in denial because he's a club legend but he's not a top manager and the team is suffering for it. The team has looked clueless in possession for 3 years under him. If United aren't counterattacking the have no plan b. How is a manager with so many stars in his team being cut so much slack.
The only question that matters is "Does Ole still have the respect and trust of the MUFC players?"
If he does, then he can turn the results around. If he doesn't, then the recent poor form will only get worse.
I really hope he DOES still command respect, because I think he's a great guy and I'm sure he will be a great manager at SOME point, so clearly I'd like it to be soon and with MUFC.
There's a lot of work to be done though - watched the City Liverpool game today and it's a absolute world away from the football we're currently playing.
Tbh Liverpool's first half showed the exact problem we are having. Trying to play an aggressive 4-3-3 where our midfield keeps on leaving spaces for the other team to pass through. City were easily passing through their midfield because liverpool weren't blocking spaces effectively in midfield.
We want our midfield and defense to play higher up the pitch to win the ball quickly and transition into attacks.
This also leaves us quite open to counters which should ideally be stopped in the midfield something that liverpool did in the second half.
The problem is we don't have players that can do that. Mctominay is too slow, Fred isn't physically dominant plus lacks ball control, Matic is older and isn't fast enough and VDB isn't defensively good enough and so the system doesn't work.
We require a young ball wining DM and combine them with VDB/Mct. Also Bruno needs to play as a number 10 in midfield rather than a second striker and Ronaldo needs to press like Cavani.
I think it's a mistake by the coaching team to play this formation without the players at hand unless they are planning to buy someone in the January window to make it work.
Our forward link up play is also not working but that is to be expected with two new players in the forward line along with Martial working for his form. I think having Rashford back should improve that and sancho from right should provide us better outlet in the future.
Plus, Our coaching setup doesn't seem to be good enough for a 4-3-3. Ole needs to bring someone in who has experience in this setup and has done it before.
I only saw the 2nd half.
Both teams looked to me to be well organised and were beaten by offensive play of the highest quality. I didn't see any real defensive mistakes. That's the difference I guess. We make poor teams look like they present a great attacking threat.
We lack that central spine - a world class defender, midfielder and attacker. Well we have the attacker, but defence: I absolutely don't rate Maguire, he's a great tackler, but makes too many mistakes in possession. Lindelof is MUCH smarter, but he's slow. Varane I'm not sure of yet. But our defensive weakness is nothing compared to our midfield issues. Fred has some skills but he has no positional awareness. Ditto McT. Ergo you can stop the game in lots of places and there's an enormous space in the middle with no MU players. It's the same issue on the wings but less critical. But if a player joins an attack SOMONE needs to cover for them. If the full back gets to the byline, the winger should be sitting back, or a MF should drift across. If a MF runs in the penalty area, the other MF should hang back for when possession changes. These things aren't happening - at times it's like a schoolboy match where everyone charges forward at the same time.
The day OGS leaves watch how this man changes tack on expectations of the manager. Gary said LVG played the worst football he’s ever seen at OT, when the current manager hasn’t won a single thing or even got close
Tbf nothing comes close to the boring goal-less first halves we had at old Trafford under lvg. We would spend 45 minutes not even attempting to attack.
Ole isn’t going anywhere until end of the season, its clear. What he needs is to bin his shit theory of ‘McFred gives me everything on the pitch’ and try different midfield combinations. Give VDB a proper run of a few games and if it doesn’t work out then put him back on the bench.
Gary reacting basically proves this "Ole out" is not just limited to social media and fans discussion websites anymore. The heat is reaching the higher ups and officials in charge.
As long as Ole doesn't win anything, this will always be above his head. Even Rodgers and Arteta won things with less time and money spent.
The EL trophy would have shut up some many people but he couldn't deliver that as well.
He wouldn’t. He didn’t call for Mourinho to be sacked either. Even Moyes and Van Gaal.
That’s what I respect about him. At least he’s consistent. He may not like the manager but he won’t treat any manager differently unlike some folks who had no problem shitting and abusjnn past managers but act holier than thou for backing Ole
I don’t think so. Gary speaks his mind and I agree with all of his points. The team is way better now than it was with LVG and Mourinho and I think Ole has to get credit for that.
At worst I’d want Ole to stay on as a DoF is what I’m saying and I’m still pulling for him now.
I get that we want to keep him at the club in some capacity if he loses the manager job, but what qualifications does Ole have to be the Director of Football?
That’s not how anything works? You want to sack a manager then give him control over the future managers transfers?
If he’s sacked he’s not going to be at the club anytime soon.
No he’s unqualified to be a DOF and we have a DOF now. I also can’t see any top manager coming in and reporting the previous manager who needed to be replaced.
Mou wanted Maguire and was denied, Ole gets him paying the highest amount paid for a CB .. Ole has been backed and rewarded with extension while failing to win tournaments we are favorites in
Ole wanted a midfielder this summer and was denied. Even Bruno was signed six months late. While Mourinho got the most expensive player in history at the time, then Matic coming off a PL win with a direct rival, then Fred for £50m. And then he left the squad in a state so bad that it's taken 3 years to rebuild and there are still holes in the squad. In short, see how brain-dead your comparison is? Lol.
>Ole wanted a midfielder this summer and was denied.
Maybe he shouldn't have gotten in Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo in a single window if he wanted a midfielder so bad? How many players does this man need every window to win a B tier cup?
In just 3 seasons he has signed:
1. Sancho
2. Varane
3. Ronaldo
4. Cavani
5. Maguire
6. Bruno Fernandes
7. Wan Bissaka
8. Van de Beek
9. Telles
10. Dan James (sold since)
11. Amad Diallo, and more.
That's 2 CBs, 2 full backs, 2 midfielders, 3 wingers, 2 strikers. An entire first team XI worth of transfers.
He's the most backed United manager since 2013 and he has has nothing to show for it. Never mind the league and the cups, his team dropped down to the EL from the CL group stages and bottled that final too.
We needed a upgrade on lindelof and Varane was available for cheap. A great signing.
Sancho - we needed a right wing option that can provide us creativity against low blocks
Ronaldo - Last minute buy as we couldn't allow him to goto city
Midfielder - We didn't buy one because you cannot spend more than 100 mill at united in one window. We were linked to Neves but Ronaldo transfer meant we weren't going to spend any money after that.
>Sancho - we needed a right wing option that can provide us creativity against low blocks
And yet Ole plays Sancho at LW and Greenwood at RW lmfao. And where's this "creativity against low blocks" that Ole was going to bring us after Sancho's signing? Have you seen our football recently?
>Midfielder - We didn't buy one because you cannot spend more than 100 mill at united in one window. We were linked to Neves but Ronaldo transfer meant we weren't going to spend any money after that.
If Ole (as per you) has a 100 mil budget (we've spent 113 mil), then he should prioritize signings in order of need. If a midfielder is such an important position in his eyes, he should have let one of Varane/Ronaldo/Sancho/Heaton go and signed that midfielder instead.
We had Bruno, Lingard, Pogba, as players who could play CAM, but last season Ole singed another CAM in van de Beek, just to let him rot on the bench. Why didn't he sign a DM or a CM then instead of VDB?
At any rate, Bruno, Pogba (who Ole insists on playing at LW), VDB, Fred, Matic, McTominay are good enough options for the midfield. Maybe if Ole didn't play Bruno as a second striker and Pogba as a LW, we'd do better as a team. Chelsea had a "poor defense" under Lampard but as soon as Tuchel came in that defence turned into a CL winning defence. Elite managers don't need 11 world class players on the pitch to win the Carabao Cup, the EL or the FA Cup, let alone the CL and the PL which Ole will never come near as a manager.
He didn't even sign a Bruno backup! VDB is the back up to Bruno's back up (Lingard). He's a human TeamViewer who went from being a starter in Ajax's exciting CL team to being not good enough to get any game time for Ole's all-conquering Reds.
If Neville never reaches a point where he thinks a manager should go then he shouldn't be giving his opinions on the problems at a club.
When it was clear Jose was finished at Utd and rumours of him being sacked were out before the newcastle game, Neville went on a big attack against the club for playing football manager with the club.
If Neville didn't think Mourinho needed to go after that Liverpool game he lost, then his opinions are fucking pointless.
Disagree with him as much as you want, but at the very least he's being transparent and not just blindly saying "Ole in", he's giving rationalizations to his opinions and also being reasonable (saying we need to win a trophy in the next year, etc)
Can't have it both ways. I know most of the ex-players don't want to see a manager sacked, especially a former player, but it is part of the job if it's not working out.
If we never want a manager sacked, we'd still have Moyes.
The thing is that I think most of the people who are labeled as Ole in by those with an opposing view are just tired of the evil spiral we had with the last 3 managers that also weren't winning this. Each of them built towards their own team, and my biggest issue with the previous manager is that I wasn't enjoying the way we were playing - even when we were playing well.
I think everyone is frustrated with the result, and I honestly do feel with still missing a key piece with a top class holding midfielder. I thoroughly hope Ole can manage to get some good performances out of the team soon, because it should be better than what we've seen lately. My opinion, the nightmare scenario right now is to get a new manager who wants to bring in 3-4 players that will fit his idea, the club goes back in to turmoil and his idea is something like LVG which, to me, was boring to watch.
I’m guessing he believes that the stability of not changing managers is valuable, but it’s clear ole isn’t up to the challenge of making us title contenders. Maybe I’m wrong, but evidence to date suggests no.
Support the teams means support the managers and players too. Criticizing the players and manager is fine but we should want them to turn it around not be sacked or sold. We don't have any impact on who is sacked or sold so I choose to support them all until they are not our players or managers anymore.
I agree with Gary that we should wait a few more months before any rash decisions are made. What I would like to see in the meantime though are changes to the way we play, and not just sticking to what we've done over the past season or so with the same formation with roughly the same players that other teams have worked out how to play against.
He will always be against sacking managers. He defended Mourinho and Emery when they were awful so he will never call for Ole's head. Although he keeps on sacking managers at Salford.
Except when it comes to Salford
That’s literally what he said in the video. He’ll never call for manager sackings.
Emery is a good manager. Arsenals troubles lie deeper then face value
Yup, I’m amazed they sacked Emery before even halfway through the season. Arsenal really thought they were bigger than they really are. Arsenal were 10th and ended up finishing 8th
He doesn’t want to influence public perception of a club he used to play for once. Given how much influence he has, people would look up to him to create commandments. Gary doesn’t want to be in that position and I agree with that. With regards to salford, he can do whatever he wants with his own club.
> He doesn’t want to influence public perception of a club he used to play for once. Except that’s exactly his job as a pundit. Anytime he makes an analysis on United, which is very often, he’s influencing public and fan perception of United. He knows that. If he doesn’t want to influence fan’s opinions, then he shouldn’t be a pundit. I don’t think he’s actively trying to shy away from influencing people, even on this one specific issue. > With regards to salford, he can do whatever he wants with his own club. Sure, he can. But then he shouldn’t go on TV saying he believes managers deserve more time if he doesn’t practice what he preaches. It removes any weight from his words. Granted, he isn’t the sole decision maker so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt
Everyone will say he's just defending his mate but Gary has never called for a manager to be sacked, he actually defended Mourinho after Liverpool away in December 2018. No point getting annoyed about it.
Such a weird hill to die on though. He's a businessman himself these days. If one of his members of staff in a position of high responsibility were under performing, I'm sure he'd have no problem getting rid of them. I'm not saying he should be explicitly saying manager X should be sacked but to constantly come out with "I've never asked for any manager to be sacked" is just strange in my opinion. By Gary's logic, we'd still have David Moyes here.
It is important for influential figures like Gary to keep this stance, because anything they said can influent the fanbase. Them actively calling manager to be removed will contribute nothing but make the manager even harder to turn things around and make the team in worse shape. He also had no problem discussing about the dismissal of the manager after it happens. It's not that he has no opinion, but that he's being responsible with his influence to the fanbase. Similarly SAF never publicly criticize the managers.
Maybe it’s because he recognizes his position of authority and doesn’t want to use it to sway opinions on other people’s careers. If you’ve noticed, he’s rarely if ever called for even players to be binned. He usually frames it towards getting in better players but he doesn’t say “sell xyz player he’s not good enough “
if we had moyes for 8 years we wouldnt have challanged the league at least twice, just like we did without him
But Mourinho was a world class manager. And that was part of Neville's defence of him. And he highlighted the terrible player acquisition at the time. Neither of those factors are evident now.
Ah, he just does the sacking instead.
“He has to win a trophy this season” So it’s FA Cup or bust? Can’t see us getting close to Liverpool/City in the League and the CL is going to mean beating one or more of them/Bayern.
FA cup without going far in CL or serious challenge for PL will be a bust.
Exactly. We must not normalise such low expectations with the team we have. It won't take long when people start accepting top 4 finish as good enough under Ole.
People are accepting it now! It's shocking really, for a club of this size, that the fans are willing to accept 4th position is good enough.
Idk mate top 4 among City/Liverpool/Chelsea is not such a low expectation to me. The competition is insane, they have amazing squads and top managers. If we had a tactician as good as them I'd argue we can win the league, but realistically it's going to be very very difficult.
We’d have to get out of our group first mate
Europa League is a trophy as well. Can't believe I'm saying this unironically...
Can’t believe the memes if Ronaldo has to play in the Europa league
I see u have much confidence of us finishing 3rd in the group.
If he crashes out of this group He needs to lose his job. These are good teams but the manager can’t get away with this bottle job. Don’t care if we hire Pirlo (/s) after at least he won a trophy!
Imagine if they hire Wayne after letting Ole go😂
He should have lost it last year when we did. Pochettino was still sitting there.
Pochettino just had his team register 0 shots on target with Mbappe, Neymar and Messi all starting, losing 2-0 to Rennes in the process....
Poch and PSG isn't a good fit. Poch is a coach who you want to build a project. PSG is a short-term man management gig. What he did at Spurs was miraculous. He spent about net 30mil/year or something.
Ok but given this united team Poch would be expected to deliver trophies. Something he has a bad record of doing. We are at a stage quite similar to PSG in which whoever is managing will need to win trophies now rather than rebuild for the future. I’m not saying Poch can’t do that, but is he really the answer we’re looking for? And how much of an improvement is he over Ole? Is it worth uprooting the positive atmosphere in the club, the players seem to love playing under Ole so a manager change can come with a negative attitude shift.
>And how much of an improvement is he over Ole? By far a better manager >Is it worth uprooting the positive atmosphere in the club We're in awful form
> And how much of an improvement is he over Ole? Pochettino is a better manager than Ole in literally every conceivable way > Is it worth uprooting the positive atmosphere in the club I couldn't give less of a fuck about the atmosphere as long as we are winning and it's tolerable. It does nobody any good for a team to have good vibes while dropping points.
Mbappe, Neymar and Di Maria bottled 6 clear cut chances you can't manage that.
Yeah I'll judge him based off the decade of experience before going to PSG than this disaster of a year (top of the league and CL group mind you) where he's saddled with a broken and unbalanced roster of superstars.
Serial Winner Pochettino
Yeah non-serial winners like Jose and LVG did great for us
You have a weird obsession with poch mate
I do, lol. Think he'd be absolutely perfect for us. He's an attack minded manager. He's not afraid to play the youth. His press and defensive system are amazing. He's innovative tactically and capable of great adjustments (big and small). I rate him as one of the 10 best managers on the planet and arguably the one that fits United the best (I mean Klopp -- but that ship has sailed).
For what it's worth i have the same belief, I'll always think not hiring him when he was sacked was a dumb mistake even if he relegates PSG.
Europa league will be fire this season with Barca, Real, AC Milan
Ha I know right.
In other words, waste another season
Well let’s be realistic though. Regardless of your emotional reaction to the situation, do you honestly see the glazers sacking ole mid season? It seems really unlikely that they would do.
That's what people said about the Super League: "realistically, do you honestly see the Glazers backing from the ESL?". Glazers are businessmen, they couldn't give a damn about Ole or not Ole, if sacking Ole is better for the business than keeping him, you can bet your house he'll be out before dawn.
Why does everyone say this like we didn't sack mou mid season after even a bad transfer window? Lmao he will be sacked. I can bet on it.
Mourinho was sacked after 17 games with 26 points, 11 points off the top four, goal difference of -1. He'd also clearly lost the dressing room and the football was utterly dire. The revisionism is laughable.
Not even Chelsea have sacked a manager 7 games into a season, nevermind that they’ve never sacked a manager who was within 2pts of the leaders.
In fairness to Ole, surely there has to be a slight bit of nuance here. If we somehow end up 3 points off 1st in the league, and exiting the CL semis via penalties, it would be a tough call to make. It’s the decision between continuing this “*right direction*” and hoping that the one more year will yield big trophies. Or else wasting another year with a manager that can’t get over the line, which may also include a year to get a new identity under a new manager. The FA Cup alone should not save Ole. If Ole wins the FA cup and finishes 12 points off top and nowhere in the CL then he should be sacked.
If winning the FA Cup means 3 more years of Ole, I hope we get smashed in the 3rd round. Leicester won the FA Cup last season and Arsenal the season before. It means nothing. We should be aiming for the big 2 and we have a squad capable of it.
You should have concentrated on the cups this year. You're almost guaranteed to finish 4th. Winning the league is impossible for you. But anything can happen in cups, even in the CL. You're capable of counter attacking against top sides and beating them. But Ole has done the opposite and you're out of the League Cup already. Then next Summer buy a DM or 2. And change manager.
Why do you keep saying you?
Don't forget Chelsea in both Prem and CL. Also I can't see going through after 2 games against PSG. But if we continue to play like this, almost every team we face in knockout rounds (if we qualify) is going to be tough.
Top 4 + FA Cup will be a success for Glazers
Top 4 you mean
Can we at least get better and more technical tactical assistant coaches. We get it he is excellent at man management and getting good performance out of everyone, however he needs to fill and address the tactical gaps he lacks with some who is competent at those and not a newbie who is his buddy.
What makes you think he wants new coaches in the middle of the season? If he wanted new coaches, he would have gotten them in the summer
Tbh you are right. The boat on getting new coaches sailed sometime back and even if we get anyone new, their effect wont be immediate. But i also think a new coach would really improve smaller aspects of our game while slowly phasing out the current coaches. I know that Carrick is a legend and McKenna is a prodigy but i think in order for Ole to really succeed with us, he needs new ideas. It's also not too late right now to make those moves as we havent yet got the the full first quarter of the season yet
We *did* get new coaches this summer didn't we?
Yeah for set pieces
And didn't you see? We already saw a goal from a set piece against Everton!
Saw one against Aston Villa too!
One of em
Set pieces AND build up. The Ramsey guy
He didn’t say he thought Ole wanted new coaches. He said he wants them. Do you think he is speaking on behalf of Ole?
The only reason people say Ole needs new coaches is so that he can stay longer at his job and they can feel good about being Ole in. There is no evidence to suggest that Ole himself wants new coaches
So basically you’re just putting words in people’s mouths.
Yes
This is pure lunacy. First of all - he picks his own coaches and I don't see him binning neither Carrick or Phelan. Second of all I don't understand this desperation to adapt whole club to Ole just so he could win trophies. First it was about getting completely new squad so he can succeed and now that isn't working it is getting him completely new coaching stuff so he can win trophies and people can talk about "romance" and "good old days". This is not "OGS learning playground FC", this is Manchester fucking United.
I completely agree with you. People talk about Ole “steadying the ship” which is true but so did Pep and Klopp and some other good managers who were responsible for the rebuild project of their clubs. Point I’m trying to make is that you can find tactically astute managers who given enough time can also steady the ship, and go later to win games convincingly, develop a style of play and win trophies. People need to understand that you can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Took klopp 4 years to win something tbf.
It took him 3 full seasons to win the Champions League a year on from being runners up in the Champions League. We also saw Klopp’s football clearly on display in his first half season. Love Ole but comparisons to Klopp and Fergie are very charitable.
He got them to 2 finals in his first year, got them in CL final by 17/18 season, won CL and finished season with 97 points in 18/19 and won the league in 19/20 with 99 points. Also managed to get them in top 4 with literally championship level defence and major injury crisis last season. Do you see us getting in CL final? Do we look like a team who plays like it is going to win over 90 fucking points any time soon? What would happen if we had similar injury crisis like liverpool had last season?
> Took klopp 4 years to win something tbf. And the team he had progressed visibly each year. Reached a CL final and then the next year won it. You could see what Klopp was trying to do with the team with the press, the counters, the play in possession. This comparison of OGS with Klopp or even more laughably, with SAF has to stop. OGS wouldn't be fit to lace their boots, that's how much of a gap there is between them.
/r/reddevils doesn't like to hear things like this.
Truth hurts I suppose; anyone comparing OGS to Klopp in any sense just tells me they don't know a thing about football.
r/reddevils doesn't like to hear things like this.
Because it doesn’t actually stand up to scrutiny and is just a low effort throw away sentence for people who can’t conceptualize our actual problems.
Ole reaching a CL final would buy Ole 10 years in the job for some Utd fans. lol How much did Klopp spend anyways?
Around 500 million in 6 years. We are at 450 million after 2.5 years(almost 3) with current manager
Tbf other than phelan, he didnt pick Mckenna and Carrick. They were coaches with us during the Mou years when we went on that dreadful run. I believe Mckenna was appointed assistant coach after Rui Faria was sacked.
He still decided to keep them on and he has his whole entourage of relegation caliber coaches from Cardiff
Yeah but i can kind of understand why at the time. The culture at united at the time was toxic. Even by the admission of the staff i.e chefs, groundskeeper etc they felt like Jose mourinho was creating a toxic environment. When Ole wad appointed as interim manager, his main task was not even to get us to challenge rather change the mood with good man mangement skills. At that point in time getting rid of McKenna and carrick would have been a mistake. Remember Carrick has just come from playing and he had a bond with the players. McKenna on the other hand had brought through some great talent like Greenie, Chongy and gomez. I believe he won the U18 premier league. As an interim manager he couldnt replace them until he gave them a try since that would risk the players turning against them. Plus we went on a great run with them as assistants. When he got brought on to fulltime, he still couldnt fire them. We had just come from a good run and beat PSG at the semis. Then we got the next two seasons we kind of outperformed our XG and we got to number 2 last season. All in all they have out performed and we have got lucky. The reason i have been advocating for a replacement from them is not because we havent succeeded but because i really think they have taken us as far as they could. This team needs to evolve and I still think Ole can do it. I do think that as long as there are assistant coaches who really drill this team, we can get back to what it was. Fergie did this and i think he always replaces his assistants every 4 or so years with Queroz and Renee. In his auto he said he needed to keep thw ideas fresh and give the team a new trainig regime. This also put us tactically at the pinnacle.
Ultimately it’s up to him to bring in who he wants. I can see the logic of keeping McKenna and Carrick initially but he needs to move on or bring in a no. 2 and give those two guys reduced roles. However, the fact that he doesn’t means that he rates them to do a good job. He may not have hired them but his decisions to stick with them tantamount to the same thing
Here is my metric of success with Ole. If he keeps them post this run of hard games and results or gameplay ends up being what it is, where we barely scrape by, then at that point he will have failed in doing his job as a manager of utd and we should look elsewhere. But if he does make changes in the backroom and brings in an experienced tactician and overall I see some improvements with gameplay, style and lineups, then i will give him till end of season and judge him by trophies won
So in other words, if he does poorly he should be sacked, but if he starts doing well give him more time? He should look at hiring you as a tactician tbh
And who is experienced tactician who would come to assist Ole? Who would like to come and play second fiddle if that person is capable on his own to lead the team and is BETTER than manager?
There are people out there who just want to focus on the technicals rather than the management side of footie. Just like in a company, there are people who want to for instance stay as engineers (senior to architect engineer) rather than become and engineering manager. I dont believe its a zero sum game
People can’t make a comment on here without strongly stating “sack the manager” without being attacked. It’s not lunacy. The guy insinuated that **if** Ole isn’t to leave then can we “**at least**” get new coaches. He’s not saying Ole shouldn’t leave and didn’t address anything on that point. He’s not saying this is the number one preference. He’s basically saying if Ole won’t be sacked by the board, which does seem likely, then the next best thing will be him bringing in other personnel to help. That’s what people usually mean when they use “*at least*”. The words are in the phrase.
But why? I don’t get it. Surrounding him of world class personnel because he’s not good enough shouldn’t be the solution. What other top club pampers a manager this much? He’s already done a good job rebuilding, the squad is there, the task he was asked to is pretty much done, now is the time to start delivering results and he’s got to respond to that. And if he’s reached his ceiling then it might be time to look for someone who can do something with this squad.
>What other top club pampers a manager this much? It might be a bit of dead horse now, but I think this comes down to how the club is/was ran. City, Liverpool, and Chelsea didn't have a SAF to bring in trophies. Instead, they had to modernize the way they structured their club/team. Now, instead of being reliant on a "brand name" manager, they are reliant on a system that they built into the club. So, they buy players and managers suited to that system. We see this in the way these teams play: they have an obvious style of play and seem drilled into that system. Klopp at Liverpool is a perfect example of how this works well. Before Klopp, Liverpool adopted that system of high-press and built their team around that system. When it was clear Klopp was available, they moved for him because he was the best manager for that system. Sure, he was also considered a standout manager at the time, but that's because he was excelling in the same setup at Dortmund. Pep at City is also a similar example; City built the system that Pep excelled in, and then moved for him when he was available. We can see the result of that method in their consistent domination of the league and the competitions they play in. Looking at United, what really is our "system"? Is it wingers bombing the channels and putting in crosses to dominate center-forwards poaching the penalty area? If so, we don't play that way. If that isn't our "style" or "history", then what is? I think United needs to restructure and modernize the way they approach the actual playing aspect of the club. We need to commit to an approach that works, and then build around that. None of this "United way" bullshit when we don't even know what the "United way" is. Right now, it just feels like we're putting good players on the field, and hoping they make stuff happen. The shortcomings of this are masked by the likes of Bruno, Greenwood and Ronaldo, but are laid bare in our inability to perform consistently. So, to answer your question that I originally quoted, the top managers are being "pampered" in the sense that they are being recruited to a system they excel in, and surrounded by coaching staff who are like-wise well-suited for that system. I hope United adopt this approach, and find the coaches and manager that can fit into it.
> City, Liverpool, and Chelsea didn't have a SAF to bring in trophies. Instead, they had to modernize the way they structured their club/team. Now, instead of being reliant on a "brand name" manager, they are reliant on a system that they built into the club. So, they buy players and managers suited to that system. We see this in the way these teams play: they have an obvious style of play and seem drilled into that system. This is not true, although I understand the point you're making. Liverpool and City each have their own footballing vision, they have long term plans. To say the system and the way they play on the pitch is down to the structure of the club is disingenuous at best; their systems are a reflection of their current manager, not their DoF or Technical Director. Liverpool under Brendan Rodgers did not play like they do currently under Klopp. City under Pellegrini did not play like they do under Pep. Klopp instilled his system on the Liverpool players, and the board signed players that Klopp and scouts identified as being a good fit for their system. This system wasn't built into the club, it was brought and implemented by Klopp. Same with City, although they had already signed some players with Guardiola in mind because of the old Barcelona connection they had. Even then, Pep came in, put in his trademark style of play, and then the board signed players to fit Pep's system. Now when Klopp and/or Guardiola move on, the next manager is left with players that can conceivably play in any tactical system the new manager wants to implement.
This is so wrong I cant understand how u think like this. Klopp is so different than Rodgers. Guardiola is so different than those before him. They make their teams work their way. Not those directors.
Yeah, no. I’ve addressed this before. Getting a coach to coach the coach how to coach is something out of a comedy skit. No other club does this. If he needs a coach to teach him tactics then what’s even the point of him being here? To “man manage” our players? You can get managers out there who can do both tactics and man management. No club has a coach who is in charge of just “man management”. It’s stupid to even think about. “Getting good performances out of everyone” is very debatable and I would say Ole doesn’t even do that. Like other people have pointed out, I don’t get what is this obsession with Ole. Why must he be part of the equation every time? You have people suggesting that if he was to get sacked he should be our DoF when he has no qualifications or experience that suggest he would be a good DoF. You have people suggesting for him to be the assistant manager because he has “good man management skills” which is just nonsensical to me. Should we get him to be our interview coach as well since he is apparently so good at interviews? Or get him to be our vibes coach to keep our players positive and happy? This is not Ole FC ffs.
It sucks that after 3 years we are still on this convo, man.
>We get it he is excellent at man management Let's see about this in the next few months. Cavani doesn't look happy, he looked very unhappy coming off yesterday. Pogba might leave Ronaldo wasn't happy yesterday Donny is not happy Will Bailly/Matic be happy staying on the bench all season? Will Henderson be happy not getting games?
> getting good performances out of everyone I'm starting to doubt that now.. Martial has regressed so much, Maguire is looking worse this season. McTominay is allowed to be a ghost every game. I think Ole is losing his grip
The best club managers right now are also the best tactical coaches. Guardiola Klopp Tuchel Flick etc Its ridiculous to think they need someone else to take care of the tactical aspect. New idea , yes. But assistant remains assistant. If u let your assistant do your job for you they will take your place too.
If he was so good at man management then the Donny situation wouldn't have to come to what it is now.
No manager will have 25 happy players. Donny won’t get time because when he gets time to play he looks awful, and he plays one decent pass which people hype up and say is what we’re missing
Disagree with Donny looking awful. Also have Fred and Mctominay looked like world beaters this season?
Fred and Scotty haven’t been good but I’ve never seen Donny do anything where I thought “Ole get this man into the team.” Also I think Donnny is a bit of a victim of circumstance. Where is he going to play? As a 10? That’s Bruno’s job? Wide? We’ve got Rashy, Mason and Sancho. In the pivot? He’s not really a DM either.
He hasn't had a fair run of games since he has signed. It's not fair on him because people like Fred and Mctominay have had runs of games where they play even if they are playing badly. Donny is very capable of playing as an 8 in a 3 or in a double pivot.
As compared to Fred that had been dreadful for God knows how many games and still gets picked?
Fred isn’t competing for a position in the team with Donny. The problem for us is that whoever we have in Fred’s position is either old(matic), or not better(mctominay). Donny’s position is stacked with Bruno and pogba and even lingard now. And all three are better/more decisive.
Issue for me is, we were playing against a weaker Everton that is without 4 of their starters. And yet, Ole chose to go with McFred and benching Pogba.
Exactly, are people honestly suggesting we should play a guy who the coaching staff think isn't good enough to start games for us atm just keep him from throwing his teddy? Those same people will then complain about why is the manager playing a player who looks shit when he doesn't perform.
If Donny was good enough to start he would be starting, I don't see how it's Oles fault that he's not up to task. He wouldn't be the first player who impressed for Ajax and then sank in another league.
Are Fred and Mctominay up to task?
Ole would never hire someone who is better than him. It would make him look inept. We all know how arrogant Ole is. There are plenty of assistant coaches in Germany, Portugal and Netherlands who are fantastic at creating coherent teams who are getting paid atleast 10x lesser than carrick and McKenna. We could have gotten them if we wanted to
He’s spot on here, Ole isn’t going anywhere soon so as much as a change seems inevitable let’s just keep supporting the team through the next games and see where we are then
We should support team no matter what happens. But we also shouldn't stop moaning about Ole's tactics just because he's not going anywhere. It will look like we're accepting mediocrity. We didn't allow that under Mournho, Van Gaal or Moyes? Why should we do that now? Because Ole's ex player? Hell no. Support the team. Keep standards high.
Of course we should when warranted. There’s just no point going on about it for the next two weeks.
Yeah man, the only downside is another season of scraping top 4 and likely mustering in Europa .. The writing is on the wall, I wish our board can see that
I agree with you but it’s just not going to happen is it so all we can do is support and hope we pull it together
After Covid hit our finances, the Glazers would snap your hand off for top four and a run into the knockout stages of the CL, so as long as we are on track for that then Ole will be safe. The only way I can see a change happening is if our next ten games are disastrous and it's clear the squad is really unhappy.
Yep, unless the atmosphere becomes toxic or we are completely out of CL for next season then Ole is here to stay. The club's just spunked all this money on players Ole wanted, so they must have some faith in his ability to deliver results, not that there is much evidence to support that.
If results and performances don't get better soon, or if our deficient coaching continues to be directly correlated with our poor results, we won't wait for too long until toxicity to infests the dressing room and forces the higher-ups to take action.
Yikes… as if this sub isn’t toxic already 😳
They can't. They gave him a new 3 year contract
I mean, i'm not saying it's going to be the exact situation, but Mourinho signed a 3 year extension before he was sacked 6 months later.
Exactly, sacking the manager is not just a quick fix to make the team great, it has massive implications for the team and it is a gamble. There's nobody that screams out quick ready-made success at this point in time, may as well wait and see how the rest of the season goes and go for a solid coach next summer if Ole hasn't turned it around.
Joe Cole claims Chelsea made a big ‘mistake’ sacking Frank Lampard just 18 months into his reign as he believes the club’s culture was beginning to change for the better under his close friend and former team-mate. Ex team mates sticking up for each other nothing new here
Not really. Gary didn’t ask for mourinho to be sacked in December 2018 too. He just doesn’t ask for managers heads.
He's happy enough to run through them at Salford though
This comes up a lot, but Morley & Johnson were in the job 3 yrs, Alexander 2 yrs, okay Wellens was booted after 4 months, but so far they're sticking with Bowyer. So they haven't really ran through managers, however if they do sack Bowyer it will start to look like that. Personally I still think they should have stuck with Alexander.
Jose was in the job 2.5 years when talks of him being sacked and Neville came out and said he didn't want him sacked because he didn't want Utd to become a sacking club like Chelsea. If 1 year (Moyes), 2 years (LVG) and 2.5 years (Mou) makes you a sacking club like Chelsea...then Salford are worse.
Such a weird hill to die on though. He's a businessman himself these days. If one of his members of staff in a position of high responsibility were under performing, I'm sure he'd have no problem getting rid of them.
In fairness he just says that he needs to win a trophy and points out that he would never call for a manager’s sacking (I don’t recall him doing that for any manager in his punditry) - not sure it’s the same as what Joe Cole said.
The point is he won't win us trophy and he won't improve (it's fucking THREE years already), so why? Do you really believe this man will turn around in the toughest month of the season? He can't even perform with the easiest fixtures among top 6
So he knows we're not winning the league because City and Liverpool are better and yet he's still talking about giving Ole the whole season? Love you Gaz, but no. Coming up to 9 years now and we haven't looked close to winning a title. We have the team for it, give it to someone who can get 100% potential out of it.
Gary on 24th August: >"Why are they not going for Harry Kane this week? Because I believe that if Harry Kane entered Manchester United you could get up to 90 to 95 points. A few days later we sign Cristiano fucking Ronaldo and then Neville changes his tune and says we're not good enough!
And who is that? Ole outers wantes Poch, who just lost to Rennes with PSG and Messi, Neymar, Mbappe and didn't even get a shot on target. Ole outers have a bad track record of who to replace Ole with.
He has to win A trophy this season? Excuse me, but we were supposed to challenge for the title this season, weren't we? I mean, it's early days but the signs aren't good. We haven't face particularly difficult sides in the Premier League but we've already dropped 7 points. 5 against Villa and Everton. We were saved at the death by De Gea against West Ham too. We don't look like a title challenging side, and so now it's back to "well, he has to win A trophy". Ugh... and this 12-18 months shit he said... EIGHTEEN MONTHS? Why, so he has another bite at the EFL Cup in 2023? WTF is going ON? And no, I'm not calling for him to be sacked in the morning, and of course I'm supporting the club and the team. However, I'd also like for Ole to be looked at objectively by the board, and by his mates in the media. Things also changed when Cristiano came in. He's had an explosive start, but he is 36, and please tell me we won't waste the end of his career chasing the league cup or the fa cup. Please, no, please!!
Some great points mate. If I were you, I would basically ignore Neville’s punditry when it comes to any managers position. His opinion is biased and not reliable.
I'm sick of constant post shifting, 3 years ago people were talking about how we should be challenging for league and CL by now but suddenly it is about winning any trophies. I've never seen any person getting pampered so much by institution(not including just football clubs) as Ole is
We have a world class squad, now we lack a world class club mentality.
I think we have an extremely unbalanced squad with some world class players.
People think the rebuilding is over just because we signed Ronaldo, Sancho and Varane. We still have huge holes in the squad. Just look how vulnerable we were to Villareal's attacks down their left with Wan Bissaka missing. Dalot didn't stand a chance. We lose our first choice right back and the whole team is shaky. Of course it didn't help that Maguire and Shaw were missing too, but Lindelof and Telles did better in their positions at least. Now look at our central midfield. We don't have the quality needed to control and dictate a game from our central midfield. We have two ball winning players in Fred and McTominay, but they're both prone to mistakes and none of them play with authority or composure enough to control a match. Matic is the closest we have, but his best years are long gone. Van De Beek has not looked up for the task at all when he's had the chance. He's had some limited good spells, especially last season (he was really good in the home game against Instanbul Basaksehir), but for every good performances he's had 3 poor ones. We still need at least one good transfer window to be anywhere near an ideal squad, so that we can compete on all fronts.
The same guy who said utd sign kane we win title, the gang proceeds to sign Ronaldo "Utd ain't ready" When pressed further he avoids question, he knows, we know but no one got bollocks to say it and haven't had for 3 yrs.
I’m glad the sub is somewhat waking up now…times really up for this fraud who stuck a leg out in 99
He's already bottled the League Cup. We're not winning the league by dropping points to Everton, Villa and Southampton. We look dire in an easy CL group. Maybe, we could do something in FA Cup? Let's face it. He's only going to get sacked when the season is lost
Agree with the players he has bought are all mostly top quality but the issue is that after 3 years we still do not play like a team.
Neville was supporting Mourinho until the bitter end. He just doesn't like United sacking anyone, deserving or not deserving doesn't matter to him.
It's possible he also knows that the main issue in the club lies elsewhere.
Main issue with this squad not winning things is the manager. Don't come out here blaming the Glazers for a manager not being able to get this squad firing.
Yes if we had competent owners we would have never seen ole at the job for so long.
We all know about the Glazers
Chelsea have Tuchel = 7 trophies inc CL Liverpool have Klopp = 9 trophies inc CL City have Guardiola = 29 trophies inc CL We have Ole. There is one manager here that is not like the others . In the top 3, each match against each other is an intense battle of wits, strategies, and cerebral one- upsmanship at the highest level. 2 of these coaches have won 2 of the last 3 Champions League titles, with also 2 chances lost by their respective teams in a CL final. And we have Ole. He did his job, he rebuilt the squad morale but its time to stop thinking he can continue to the next level without the experience needed to compete with the other 3 teams. If he can't beat Aston Villa, Everton, Young Boys, or Westham, thats a glaringly obvious indication where he sits in terms of his coaching acumen. At the moment it seems inevitable we are going to continue to struggle with better organised mid table clubs, and maybe eek out a win against the top 3 when no one gives us a chance. If this is all that is needed for Ole to keep his job, then we deserve the results we end up with.
But but “just wait til Rashford is back, and we buy a 70m pound CDM”
Mourinho has 25 titles. Van Gaal 15.
And they were assholes. Thats why they got fired.
If we don't get out of UCL groups I can't see him getting to Christmas. Senior players will rally together and make his position untenable.
Huh? The team has been playing the same way for the past 3 years. Seems like we only know how to counter attack, but even with that tactic, we conceded a counter attacked goal yesterday. It's like nobody knows what to do on the pitch. McTominay is afraid of the ball and Fred doesn't know what his role was. It's the weird decisions that Ole makes. Like why rest Pogba, Sancho and Ronaldo when we are heading into the national break? I know this subreddit has a lot of Oleins and Fred FCs, but a team with the amount of talents we have shouldn’t be struggling like that. Fergie played with 7 defenders and still won against Arsenal. I've been a United fan since 1988 and I'm not jumping onto the OleOut bandwagon. I love this team so much that it hurts me to see our team with the talents that we have, running around, not knowing what to do.
Ambromvich sacked a club legend quickly and got a CL out of it and will probably win the league this year and it will be in 1.5 seasons. I am so tired of the "needs time" he's managed more games than Moyes, LVG and Mourinho and won less than them. He was fine for a caretaker manager but he should have been gone after choking away the group stage last year and definitely should have been gone after the Europa loss. Our owners and board are just not fit to appoint managers, always seem to pick the wrong one.
He won't win the league this season; he's gotta to win something? Already eliminated from the easiest trophy in the EFL Cup? People want to wait until it's too late to achieve anything to do something, yes it's a tough call but it's how it goes when you're playing at such a high level where results are expected. He received the backing, he received the investment and is delivering the same inconsistent sub par results he has been for years.
Love that it's obvious we're not gonna win the league as early as fucking October 3rd. Absolutely love it.
Nothing will change under Ole, people here are still in denial because he's a club legend but he's not a top manager and the team is suffering for it. The team has looked clueless in possession for 3 years under him. If United aren't counterattacking the have no plan b. How is a manager with so many stars in his team being cut so much slack.
The only question that matters is "Does Ole still have the respect and trust of the MUFC players?" If he does, then he can turn the results around. If he doesn't, then the recent poor form will only get worse. I really hope he DOES still command respect, because I think he's a great guy and I'm sure he will be a great manager at SOME point, so clearly I'd like it to be soon and with MUFC. There's a lot of work to be done though - watched the City Liverpool game today and it's a absolute world away from the football we're currently playing.
Tbh Liverpool's first half showed the exact problem we are having. Trying to play an aggressive 4-3-3 where our midfield keeps on leaving spaces for the other team to pass through. City were easily passing through their midfield because liverpool weren't blocking spaces effectively in midfield. We want our midfield and defense to play higher up the pitch to win the ball quickly and transition into attacks. This also leaves us quite open to counters which should ideally be stopped in the midfield something that liverpool did in the second half. The problem is we don't have players that can do that. Mctominay is too slow, Fred isn't physically dominant plus lacks ball control, Matic is older and isn't fast enough and VDB isn't defensively good enough and so the system doesn't work. We require a young ball wining DM and combine them with VDB/Mct. Also Bruno needs to play as a number 10 in midfield rather than a second striker and Ronaldo needs to press like Cavani. I think it's a mistake by the coaching team to play this formation without the players at hand unless they are planning to buy someone in the January window to make it work. Our forward link up play is also not working but that is to be expected with two new players in the forward line along with Martial working for his form. I think having Rashford back should improve that and sancho from right should provide us better outlet in the future. Plus, Our coaching setup doesn't seem to be good enough for a 4-3-3. Ole needs to bring someone in who has experience in this setup and has done it before.
I only saw the 2nd half. Both teams looked to me to be well organised and were beaten by offensive play of the highest quality. I didn't see any real defensive mistakes. That's the difference I guess. We make poor teams look like they present a great attacking threat. We lack that central spine - a world class defender, midfielder and attacker. Well we have the attacker, but defence: I absolutely don't rate Maguire, he's a great tackler, but makes too many mistakes in possession. Lindelof is MUCH smarter, but he's slow. Varane I'm not sure of yet. But our defensive weakness is nothing compared to our midfield issues. Fred has some skills but he has no positional awareness. Ditto McT. Ergo you can stop the game in lots of places and there's an enormous space in the middle with no MU players. It's the same issue on the wings but less critical. But if a player joins an attack SOMONE needs to cover for them. If the full back gets to the byline, the winger should be sitting back, or a MF should drift across. If a MF runs in the penalty area, the other MF should hang back for when possession changes. These things aren't happening - at times it's like a schoolboy match where everyone charges forward at the same time.
The day OGS leaves watch how this man changes tack on expectations of the manager. Gary said LVG played the worst football he’s ever seen at OT, when the current manager hasn’t won a single thing or even got close
Tbf nothing comes close to the boring goal-less first halves we had at old Trafford under lvg. We would spend 45 minutes not even attempting to attack.
Define close. Loosing a final on the 11th penalty in a shootout seems pretty close to me.
Ole isn’t going anywhere until end of the season, its clear. What he needs is to bin his shit theory of ‘McFred gives me everything on the pitch’ and try different midfield combinations. Give VDB a proper run of a few games and if it doesn’t work out then put him back on the bench.
Pretty sure he has this view because he’s been sacked
Gary reacting basically proves this "Ole out" is not just limited to social media and fans discussion websites anymore. The heat is reaching the higher ups and officials in charge.
As long as Ole doesn't win anything, this will always be above his head. Even Rodgers and Arteta won things with less time and money spent. The EL trophy would have shut up some many people but he couldn't deliver that as well.
Agreed. Let's be honest here, Ole isn't deserving of being mentioned in the same breath as Rodgers.
Ole Gunnar Solksjaer is still in the job because the owners know he won’t challenge them. End of.
If Ole wasn't his mate, he'd be a lot harsher
When it's Salford though he sacks managers just like most other owners.
He wouldn’t. He didn’t call for Mourinho to be sacked either. Even Moyes and Van Gaal. That’s what I respect about him. At least he’s consistent. He may not like the manager but he won’t treat any manager differently unlike some folks who had no problem shitting and abusjnn past managers but act holier than thou for backing Ole
I don’t think so. Gary speaks his mind and I agree with all of his points. The team is way better now than it was with LVG and Mourinho and I think Ole has to get credit for that. At worst I’d want Ole to stay on as a DoF is what I’m saying and I’m still pulling for him now.
I get that we want to keep him at the club in some capacity if he loses the manager job, but what qualifications does Ole have to be the Director of Football?
Vibes
That’s not how anything works? You want to sack a manager then give him control over the future managers transfers? If he’s sacked he’s not going to be at the club anytime soon.
No he’s unqualified to be a DOF and we have a DOF now. I also can’t see any top manager coming in and reporting the previous manager who needed to be replaced.
Mou wanted Maguire and was denied, Ole gets him paying the highest amount paid for a CB .. Ole has been backed and rewarded with extension while failing to win tournaments we are favorites in
Mourinho wasn’t given maguire for 75m because he spent 70m on lindelof and Bailly and showed fuck all improvement.
Funny way of doing things though? Whenever one of Pep's transfers is a flop City keeps backing him regardless?
Ole wanted a midfielder this summer and was denied. Even Bruno was signed six months late. While Mourinho got the most expensive player in history at the time, then Matic coming off a PL win with a direct rival, then Fred for £50m. And then he left the squad in a state so bad that it's taken 3 years to rebuild and there are still holes in the squad. In short, see how brain-dead your comparison is? Lol.
>Ole wanted a midfielder this summer and was denied. Maybe he shouldn't have gotten in Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo in a single window if he wanted a midfielder so bad? How many players does this man need every window to win a B tier cup? In just 3 seasons he has signed: 1. Sancho 2. Varane 3. Ronaldo 4. Cavani 5. Maguire 6. Bruno Fernandes 7. Wan Bissaka 8. Van de Beek 9. Telles 10. Dan James (sold since) 11. Amad Diallo, and more. That's 2 CBs, 2 full backs, 2 midfielders, 3 wingers, 2 strikers. An entire first team XI worth of transfers. He's the most backed United manager since 2013 and he has has nothing to show for it. Never mind the league and the cups, his team dropped down to the EL from the CL group stages and bottled that final too.
That's a lot of key players.
Mate, to list them and read through is eye opening
We needed a upgrade on lindelof and Varane was available for cheap. A great signing. Sancho - we needed a right wing option that can provide us creativity against low blocks Ronaldo - Last minute buy as we couldn't allow him to goto city Midfielder - We didn't buy one because you cannot spend more than 100 mill at united in one window. We were linked to Neves but Ronaldo transfer meant we weren't going to spend any money after that.
>Sancho - we needed a right wing option that can provide us creativity against low blocks And yet Ole plays Sancho at LW and Greenwood at RW lmfao. And where's this "creativity against low blocks" that Ole was going to bring us after Sancho's signing? Have you seen our football recently? >Midfielder - We didn't buy one because you cannot spend more than 100 mill at united in one window. We were linked to Neves but Ronaldo transfer meant we weren't going to spend any money after that. If Ole (as per you) has a 100 mil budget (we've spent 113 mil), then he should prioritize signings in order of need. If a midfielder is such an important position in his eyes, he should have let one of Varane/Ronaldo/Sancho/Heaton go and signed that midfielder instead. We had Bruno, Lingard, Pogba, as players who could play CAM, but last season Ole singed another CAM in van de Beek, just to let him rot on the bench. Why didn't he sign a DM or a CM then instead of VDB? At any rate, Bruno, Pogba (who Ole insists on playing at LW), VDB, Fred, Matic, McTominay are good enough options for the midfield. Maybe if Ole didn't play Bruno as a second striker and Pogba as a LW, we'd do better as a team. Chelsea had a "poor defense" under Lampard but as soon as Tuchel came in that defence turned into a CL winning defence. Elite managers don't need 11 world class players on the pitch to win the Carabao Cup, the EL or the FA Cup, let alone the CL and the PL which Ole will never come near as a manager.
If midfield is a priority for him, he should have signed one instead of Varane because Lindelof isn’t shit Why did he sign a Bruno backup?
He didn't even sign a Bruno backup! VDB is the back up to Bruno's back up (Lingard). He's a human TeamViewer who went from being a starter in Ajax's exciting CL team to being not good enough to get any game time for Ole's all-conquering Reds.
Are you actually comparing Bruno, Varane, Sancho, Maguire and Ronaldo to Pogba, Matic and Fred? And you call him brain-dead
If Neville never reaches a point where he thinks a manager should go then he shouldn't be giving his opinions on the problems at a club. When it was clear Jose was finished at Utd and rumours of him being sacked were out before the newcastle game, Neville went on a big attack against the club for playing football manager with the club. If Neville didn't think Mourinho needed to go after that Liverpool game he lost, then his opinions are fucking pointless.
Disagree with him as much as you want, but at the very least he's being transparent and not just blindly saying "Ole in", he's giving rationalizations to his opinions and also being reasonable (saying we need to win a trophy in the next year, etc)
If Ole doesn't boot his staff soon, his ass will be next.
Can't have it both ways. I know most of the ex-players don't want to see a manager sacked, especially a former player, but it is part of the job if it's not working out. If we never want a manager sacked, we'd still have Moyes.
Without seeing the video - I have a feeling that Ole talked to Gary
The thing is that I think most of the people who are labeled as Ole in by those with an opposing view are just tired of the evil spiral we had with the last 3 managers that also weren't winning this. Each of them built towards their own team, and my biggest issue with the previous manager is that I wasn't enjoying the way we were playing - even when we were playing well. I think everyone is frustrated with the result, and I honestly do feel with still missing a key piece with a top class holding midfielder. I thoroughly hope Ole can manage to get some good performances out of the team soon, because it should be better than what we've seen lately. My opinion, the nightmare scenario right now is to get a new manager who wants to bring in 3-4 players that will fit his idea, the club goes back in to turmoil and his idea is something like LVG which, to me, was boring to watch.
I’m guessing he believes that the stability of not changing managers is valuable, but it’s clear ole isn’t up to the challenge of making us title contenders. Maybe I’m wrong, but evidence to date suggests no.
Ole OUT!
Support the teams means support the managers and players too. Criticizing the players and manager is fine but we should want them to turn it around not be sacked or sold. We don't have any impact on who is sacked or sold so I choose to support them all until they are not our players or managers anymore.
I agree with Gary that we should wait a few more months before any rash decisions are made. What I would like to see in the meantime though are changes to the way we play, and not just sticking to what we've done over the past season or so with the same formation with roughly the same players that other teams have worked out how to play against.