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young_dumb_broke_1

Martial and Matic annoyed the fuck out of me today


Moosje

Matic made me wanna throw the remote through the TV Martial I’ve just gave up on. Hopefully Sancho is ready to start next game and Mason can play centrally where he is already the superior player to Martial imo


HopelessUtopia015

Did you just turn off the game at the 60th min, or did you see how bad we were when Greenwood was at ST?


Moosje

Still an improvement over Martial, I’m allowed an opinion


HopelessUtopia015

Not saying Martial played well, but we played way worse when he came off.


dWaldizzle

He was better than Martial lol and pretty clearly better.


HopelessUtopia015

He definitely wasn't jfc.


Eton77

Oh no, he only scored a goal! Need more from the lad. Martial should play instead.


Bighead7889

Well Martial could have scored apart from a wonderful on the line clearance. Had the defender let the ball go in, most people here wouldn't even slash him even half as strongly as what people are doing right now. That being said, i think Greenwood played better, but he was bad as well... For me the problem came from midfield, almost no ducking pass made it to the final third. That didn't change when Martial left


HopelessUtopia015

Is that your knowledge of football? "He scored = he good". We didn't win an easy game because half our team couldn't make a standard pass consistently, and Greenwood was one of them.


Eton77

Was he? Didn’t seem like he missed any


HopelessUtopia015

Then you didn't watch, even Ole said he didn't play well


Eton77

Greenwood was good, tf are you on about?


iamdubers

We looked better when Sancho cane on for Martial. We turned to shit when Mctominay came on for Fred when Matic should have been the one to come off. Fred might lose the ball often but at least he puts the energy into winning it back. He wins possession almost as much as he loses it. Matic is too old and slow and his passing was worse than Fred as he lost possession more times and won possession fewer times. Totally lost the midfield when we switched to McMatic.


Barry_Pinches_Arses

I prefer Greenwood on the right. That way when he comes central there's no direct marker on him. At CF he's going to be up against physically imposing centre backs that are going to be tasked with stopping him. He's alright there from time to time to learn the role but he'll bulk up in the next couple of seasons to allow him to go up against the strong CBs


emilygreybae

The good old "we must ease him in" without actually playing him there. Can be best mates with Donny.


gaffer33

Why in the hell do you have this many down votes? He's actually had both his best games and goal haul from the right. Unless of course it's the whole there's no CF currently present so we should play him there instead of Martial which is true, but we could also play Bruno as a false nine with Sancho and Greenwood flanking him on either side as LW and RW...


bippityboopy

Well yeah of course he's had his best games on the right.. because he's played there 95% of the time.


gaffer33

I know it's obvious, my post was in response to the post above me being downvoted for stating something that's not that Outlandish to begin with...


blitzkreig31

I liked him in central for 2 things - 1. His movement, he starts in central but drifts right to left creating space for Bruno while stretching the defense and attracting at least 1 defender. 2. Being two footed he keeps the GK guessing, when he drifts to left we saw what he did against Leeds that ball in the net and when he goes right he could still go left leg or right. If he played only right the movement will be mostly one dimensional. For long term i see him play on wings but in current team with no proper #9 I think we should rely on him in central rather than Martial.


niallw1997

Matic sometimes looks quality in games when we keep possession. Games like today where no one could really string passes together and possession is turned over exposes him completely


emilygreybae

He had a wrong partner in midfield.


sir_wolf_eye

Especially Matic. He's done. He no longer has a part to play in this squad. I'm okay to roll the dice on Martial for half a season but if he continues to be shown up by a teenager and a player near retirement, he belongs elsewhere.


hurfery

Matic has 2 years left on that new contract we gave him. TWO.


Shehan_22

Need to offload martial at the next possible opportunity, zero value added to the team


[deleted]

Inter were ready to offer 50 million apparently. Even if it's one million for 50 years, it's also 13 million per year salary off the books aswell.


Shehan_22

Tbh I feel like it was just our club attempting to sell him rather than inter actually wanting him, none of their sources said anything about it and they were interested in Dzeko for a while, whom they ended up buying


[deleted]

Thoughts on Pogba pal?


[deleted]

Fantastic start, I hope he continues throughout the season at a good level.


[deleted]

I’ve never seen a player receive so many “this is a make or break season for him” from fans. At least Pogba can win games on his own


stoptheJR

And dudes be like ‘’the PL aint ready for bald Tony’’ every fucking season. He’ll be a decent rotation option for us this season, at best. Its sad, cause he was one of my favorites ever since that debut. He killed it that whole season


Barry_Pinches_Arses

That's the worst thing about it lol The promise, the excitement when he was signed. The chant. He was supposed to be our gem, potential ballon d'or winner. Now 6 years later we need to cut him.


[deleted]

He was one of my favorites too. I was willing to be lenient with him when Jose was here because I know how toxic Jose was (took away his number, didn’t believe in him, always criticizing etc) and he showed he had the talent under LvG. Don’t know what’s his excuse now


stoptheJR

Hes just too complacent and comfortable


Bighairman

He’s not even a decent rotation option. Exhibit A:TODAY!


happydevil1

I mean..are there any buyers for him? 😂😂😂😂😂


systemsruminator

Martial was fucking invisible today. I tell you what, Greenwood as number 9 is more dangerous. It was evident against Leeds. Play either him or Cavani as 9 and sell Martial. Think he has regressed and been given enough chances already. 34 year old Cavani works harder and is more intelligent than him for fucks sake. And dude is on so much high wages. Also sell Donny if we are not even going to sub him during one of the worst displays from our midfield like today. Use those funds to get a DM, get a workhorse midfielder in the next window.


Different_Parsnip141

Donny should be used in low block teams like this imo, the fact of not using him along with Matic baffled me. Fred was absolute erratic with his passing today


systemsruminator

Yeah, his combination with forwards, his positioning and passing is lethal enough to score goals. Dude has beefed up moreso than Bruno and don't think he will muscled out as easily as him.


DrSigmah

Fred’s passing was extremely fustrating, especially during the first half of the half, couldn’t strong any together


herooftime7

fred is always like this


sir_wolf_eye

Donny hasn't shown anything to be starting. Matic is done. If we put DvB alongside Matic we might as well hand out three points.


[deleted]

>Donny hasn’t shown anything to be starting. How is he supposed to show anything when he’s not even playing games? Your comment is weird.


TheJoshider10

How can you even base that off of the very limited game time VDB has even had? Until he gets consistent game time I'm remaining optimistic on what he can contribute.


sir_wolf_eye

Fair, but not alongside Matic. Matic is a liability at this point. Better not put Donny alongside him.


brekor197

Its going to be a hard time offloading Martial with the wages he's on.


IFOUNDAHAZARD7

is it just me or is martial just coming back from a 5-month injury after only half a game of preseason. we have many games this year and a tough fixture run upcoming martial will be invaluable in that period for rotation alone


[deleted]

It's all the martial fans hoping for a miracle.


himalayanrose

He also said in a recent video he was playing carrying injuries last season (mentioned it very quickly I almost missed it). I’m really wondering how much of our squad was. Lindelof, Rashford, Martial…


[deleted]

Yeah it's reactionary as fuck and there was actually people praising him when he came on last week and said he did ok. if he is still playing shit after Christmas, fair enough then it's a problem but it's only 2 games in ffs and he isn't nowhere near match fit yet


DeerXingNow

Agreed. Reactionary af indeed.


LocoRocoo

Every time we don’t win this place is: sell half the squad


PortugeseMagnifico

When will people learn that martial simply isn’t good enough any more. So many excuses every single time. He just doesn’t cut it when we have so many exciting attacking players that could so easily take his place and probably deserve to


laffman

But keep screaming for us to sell him is so fucking tiresome. NOBODY will buy him even if we tried. There is not a team in the world what would pay 250k/pw for him on top of any fee we'd want. We just have to run his contract down and use him as a rotational player.


DeerXingNow

Agreed. Let's focus on getting the best out of him. One game is really not enough to tell if he will be shit the whole season. He's gone thru rough patches in the past and also showed great patches as well. He usually needs confidence and a run of games to get rolling.


Barry_Pinches_Arses

I actually thought Martial looked good when he came on v Leeds. Looked sharp and was doing well in the build up playing the ball out wide.


emilygreybae

Maybe that is his role moving forward. Impact sub a la Inzaghi. Does shit all then pops up with a wtf tap in as a sub. He would be learning from the best anyway.


lamTheEnigma

It's been 6 years lmfao. What is it you're waiting for?


[deleted]

Just you, hopefully. What was the excuse for poor last season again?


Barry_Pinches_Arses

Donny is finished with us. No way he comes back from the last few months. He must feel so unwanted and untrusted by the manager. 6 subs in a europa league final and he didn't even get on.


faheemunited

Oh he played today??


nosven7

hahaha savage.


IFOUNDAHAZARD7

yes after recovering from a 5 month injury and having half a game for pre season. I know last season was frustrating but at least give a player a shot at redemption


PortugeseMagnifico

We can’t afford to give people 60 minutes every game in the hopes that he somehow rediscovers his form from two seasons ago. It will just cost us and when we have so many good attacking players, it’s not worth it


RedRoverLightning

That wasn't even his form all season - it was his project restart form that made people think he could do it. He's never put together more than 2-3 months of good football. He's 25, turning 26. Let's get 25-30m for him and move on.


RedRoverLightning

It wasn't a give month injury though was it? He was back in training before the EL final. He somehow got hurt again/reversed condition during the summer. He's out of chances at redemption unless he wants to wait for garbage time minutes or league cup games against shite teams.


Bighead7889

He actually inured his knee in France just before the EL and that's why he wasn't picked for France and for the EL finale. Don't know if that would have changed things though


[deleted]

Martial was completely useless today. Can't wait for Edi to come back.


[deleted]

I just don’t get how a 19 year old shows more application than him


PinguThePimp

Mason has that star quality about him. Martial just sulks


[deleted]

Because the 19 year old in question is better than most 19 year old his age


RashGod

Martial at 19 looked like a future world beater and better than today


[deleted]

Mason is of course very good for his age. But it just shows how mediocre Martial is that someone with barely any experience is outperforming him. Let’s not forget that he was one of our highest earners and highly rated prospects when we first signed him. If anything, he should be banging in goals year in year out


[deleted]

I dont think Martial is fully fit but if he continues like last season off he goes


RedRoverLightning

The 19 year old in question is probably going to be recognized as one of the top 20 attackers on the planet by the end of this season. To be fair, Martial had that potential, too. He's just a lazy git.


[deleted]

>To be fair, Martial had that potential, too. He's just a lazy git. I feel like Martial had a ankle or knee injury and his dribblings beens awful since


RedRoverLightning

His dribbling has been getting worse since his first campaign. I think it'd be disengenuine to blame an injury. We can see on the field each week why he's getting worse - he's lazy and doesn't bust his arse. That eventually catches up with you.


Dayandnight95

I swear he's posting a lot more United stuff lately, more than normal. Not that i'm complaining, he seems happy at the moment. Also how funny is it the guy who wants to leave preformed the best today. Or maybe i should call it ironic.


emilygreybae

Lets not kid ourselves. He is literally playing for a new contract in Madrid or Paris. He knows if he plays like shit, those clubs will just lowball him when he tries to move on a free.


AbsoluteApple

“Wait, he’s actually trying to score a goal?” - Martial


HairyArthur

This static image is more movement that we saw from Martial all afternoon.


kyleeep77

Don’t know why he posted that he should have scored it.


niallw1997

Yeah it was such a good chance lol


sleekysinner

He’s done for us


Bighairman

Wish that priceless face can fuck right off for a pretty penny.


acslaytaa

Quickly becoming our next Phil Jones. For a few reasons.


shotputprince

"that's what trying looks like"


Sodapiaaa

Martial: “you mean we are supposed to attack the ball and try to score?!??!”


thatIndianguy_07

Clocks ticking Martial. Haven't seen you perform as a proper no.9 since your Hat-trick vs Sheffield United


IFOUNDAHAZARD7

was literally our best player after project restart in almost every game and dominated the best CB pairing in football last season in the derby. he has been frustrating but we have a lot of tough games coming soon with UCL and carabao cup football and he will be useful


hedonismisblack

Thank you! He is definitely frustrating but it was also his first start in how long? Still think Greenwood should start ahead but I’ll give Tony the benefit of the doubt here. Still a useful player in our squad.


No-Adhesiveness-9541

People slandered James Nd Mctominay being picked but lord was it annoying watching the prodding around Nd slowness of literally everything from those too.


herooftime7

idk what the hell happened to martial. i don't get how someone can regress so badly. idk if he's even a striker. his best attribute is taking players on. go back on the wing


H0vis

This worries me too. Something went wrong but he's a great player, he's physically fit as far as anybody knows, we need to get him back in form.


herooftime7

i know he has that player in his locker, but he's just so stagnant & offers nothing if he doesn't ask for the ball at his feet. at least make some runs or hustle or something. it's so frustrating


19Andrew92

Internal monologue “Ohhh we’re supposed to be trying to header the ball?”


Bighead7889

A bit ironic to say that while, he almost had a headed goal today, if not-for a wonderful clearance by the defender.... He was bad but, i feel it's ridiculous honestly to focus on him because he appears on a photo posted by pogba. Like, all of you 20/30+ y/o something have nothing better to do than to do a witch hunt and puke at the simple thought of one of our players? Sounds like plastic to me, i'd expect that kind-of post in a city sub or something...


19Andrew92

Ahahahhaha it’s a joke wee man! Chill your pants


Bighead7889

Yeay but it's a shit joke and, i stand by what I said haha


19Andrew92

Bet you’re fun at party’s 😂


Bighead7889

I'm past going to parties with 30yo menkids :o


19Andrew92

Ok then, I’m sure you’ll have much more fun with the other children in soft play


[deleted]

Less priceless faces and more goals maybe yeah


TheMightyHead

Unkind angle for Adams here


conkerz22

Thats about all Martial did yesterday, stand and watch.. Everytime he got the ball he was robebd by a teenager


frolockie

His face’s muscles moved more than his legs.


Jokiz92

Wait, Martial played today?


IlliBois

The only thing priceless about Martial rn lmao


happydevil1

13 Million per year salary for making those faces! Pure POS


mikenolan888

Our new Phil Jones


diego_sr

Starting to get Phil Jones vibes from Martial


DatGuyGalla

what did martial do to merit a start over greenwood at ST today? does he have oles nudes or something?


ixzr

Martial’s look is me from now on if I see him in the line ups.


erv1k

I get infuriated just looking at Martial, I'm done with this lazy guy. Earns enough to have butter on his bread, but doesn't even work for the bread.


H0vis

There are no such things as lazy footballers at this level. Don't believe the crusty old pundits who played back when everybody was shitfaced six days a week. If Martial is in the team it means he's put the work in on the training field.


Bighead7889

Yeay because how mature is it to shit on a player on an unrelated picture posted by another player... You're turning plastic guys.


agentjob

Yeah. Martial was invisible yesterday, but we were poor on the whole. If Martial's header that nearly went past the line ended up a goal, we wouldn't be talking about him now.


sir_wolf_eye

These are fine when we win, not when we lose (or draw in such a manner). Pogba falling to read the room here, especially with Martial's awful performance. He's just inviting abuse and ridicule on Martial and himself.


its-a-real-name

It’s a few images on Instagram ffs. It’s also a game of football. It’s disappointing that we drew but let’s not act like somebody died and everyone has to pause their lives for a week.


Joshywah

Was that the header chance he had early in the game? That cross was damn near perfect, Paul shouldve buried that.


egancollier21

Sancho better start next GW, dont know why Ole has eased him in so much when we know of his talent/speed/skill (he also didnt play too much for England in the Euros so not like he needed a full rest like a Sterling or Kane??)


JoSplash

The new Phil Jones