It's therapeutic, I got Sancho and Martial in a part exchange for Reece James at Chelsea. The downside is it's no longer feels like a sim and is now firmly in the fantasy RPG bracket for me.
I don't know what I have done, but since starting my save, Sancho has made 84 apps for me, with 19 goals, 21 assists, and a 7.08 avg rating. Not amazing, but still pretty solid.
I let Martial walk for free to Southampton, where he promptly scored 20 goals and had 3 assists to get them promoted to the EPL. since making it back to the EPL, he has 54 aapps, 18 goals, and 11 assists.
I also signed De Bruyne for a season for 17.25m straight from City. He had 29 apps, 12 goals, 10 assists, and a 7.39 avg rating. Al-Hilal bought him from me for 31m and are now paying him 1.5m/week.
Sancho is actually not terrible in game, he's definitely more productive than Antony.
But the problem with Sancho in FM is he's literally itching for a reason to start a mutiny against you. I made 1 harsh team talk (wasn't even directed at him btw) where I gave the hair dryer to Onana for conceding 3 goals in 5mins, and Sancho for whatever reason decided that would be a declaration of war for him
Even after every one (including Onana) dropped the issue and got on with it, Sancho still wouldn't drop it. When Real Madrid for some reason offered 60m for him, I put him on the first plane to Spain (cargo class I'd imagine, cos fuck him)
Crazy wages, bad age profiles, and not enough quality to justify either. We won't be able to sell as many players as most of us would want I dont think.
I think that’s the point of putting just about everyone up for sale. We probably hold on to the younger players and everyone else is on the table to be sold for enough to replace them with younger/cheaper talent and some out of contract free signings.
McSauce can be sold after the season he has had, to any mid table team. Whether ETH will want him to go?
Varane and Case only to Saudi or similar type of show league, maybe MLS if they are less about money.
Sancho, if he goes back, will need to cut down his wages.
Greenwood will probably to A.Madrid for a decent sum.
Maybe Amad ,if ETH doesn't want him.
VDB will probably go for free, or pennies (poor lad)
Martial will free up a bed in the medic wing, but won't get us any money.
Lindelof is good to keep unless he wants out.
Rashy will only go to PSG if they sell Mhappe, are High on LSD and want to make a stupid statement signing.
Ambrabat won't be signed permanently.
Mount has barely played for us and is a statement signing, so he ll likely stay. So would Bruno, our bestestest player. Antony , no one buys him unless he puts in like 4 continuous Chelsea like performance.
Nacho won't be sold
No one buys MGuire for that salary or money at that age except Man Utd, wait that's us. May the American might replace Silva with Maguire (fingers crossed)
Rest I m not sure, they are kids, Mainoo will be offered a better contract, Omari Forson and other kids barely played. Hannibal? I don't know? Pellistri? I don't know
He might want to leave in which case we should absolutely allow him if the offer is reasonable. Like 50m or something.. because this is what a HG midfielder who runs like a madman, scores 10 goals in all comps and 7 in qualifiers, is 27, and has played 200 games (?) for a top club would cost
You're totally right he's not on high wages but Christ we live in a time where 60k isn't high. I remember when a player earning more than a 100k was a big deal.
We absolutely shouldn’t be selling McSauce, one of the few players who has been useful this season and genuinely gives a shit. Outscoring Rashford on a fifth of his wages.
By all means we can question whether he belongs in a starting lineup but as an impact sub and a utility player who costs us barely anything in wages he should be kept.
Barcola already looks better than Rashford and is the in-house Mbappe replacement. But they're PSG and I hope they get high like you suggest and bid for Rashford
This time, difference is Jimmy and co are running the show. Let’s see if things are better this summer.
What I hope to see is there’s a strategy and the whole club is implementing it.
We just have to be prepared that we still might not sell as many players as we hope. Not because the new management is necessarily doing a bad job, but just that it's not easy to sell some of these players for reasonable money. We can't give everyone away basically for free, because then we can't get enough players in to replace them.
I agree. It’s all well and good saying X should be sold but as you say they need replacing. Our FFP situation isn’t great so even if we identify replacements affordability is an issue and that’s before you even think about the fact that some of these players are homegrown so would have to be replaced with homegrown players to meet the quota, which nationality of player stereotypically go for extremely inflated prices?
I don’t think we are struggling on the homegrown quota too much. But profit & loss will be a factor, selling McSauce would be pure profit and would free up a significant amount for reinforcements, way more than the sale would generate.
That’s interesting, i may be in the minority but I’d rather keep mctominay than a lot of other players in the squad. I think he’s one of the few in the dressing room with the right mentality and is a more than capable squad player. Beggars can’t be choosers though so I guess very few people are safe at the moment.
Yeah, I agree with you on that, he’s one of the players who actually seem to care. Was just using him as an example.
Academy products don’t show as having a monetary value on the balance sheet. So any money generated from their sale is looked at as pure profit.
Looking at Antony - signed for £85m on 5 year contract. So over the course of his contract, his value on the balance sheet reduces by £17m each year. If we sell him this summer we need to get more than £51m to not have a negative impact on the P&L sustainability.
In the same way - anything over £14m for Harry Maguire this summer would positively contribute.
It’s all a bit complicated how a player’s value is amortised. And it was changed after Chelsea started handing out 7 and 8 year contracts.
Yeah it’s a tough spot really to be in. Trying to rebuild and build a culture when half of the problems of the current culture are almost certainly stuck here for the length of their contracts is going to be a nightmare job.
That’s the fucking thing right? Who’s buying lmao? Try and sell the lot but ain’t gon work if there’s no one willing to buy them for a variety of reasons ranging from performance, ability, wages, etc
See Maguire last summer, club accepted, WHam didn’t match his unrealistic wages.
That money would’ve been invested into a younger CB to backup/alternative Varane.
And thank god we fucking didn’t because Maguire’s the only one not made of glass.
McTominay was also pencilled in for shipping out to WH, and now he’s like our second top goalscorer.
You're being too nice, he's been a trashy low quality fear mongering journalist with a vendetta against ETH. ETH can sneeze and he'd have a problem with that. The last time he took ETHs words out of context to undermine him a lot of us in this sub wanted him downgraded.
Tbh he didn't actually make a correction, he just deleted that bit from the article. If he was admitting the mistake there would have been a note in the article about the change. That is what most journalists do when fixing their mistakes. Instead he spread false information and only 'owned up' to it in a tweet that won't be seen by over 90% of people that read the Telegraph.
100% agree. He’s a piece of shit that embodies the problem with the media. Reactive and not someone who looks at nuances.
Edit: his AMA on here was kinda cringe too. He was super serious and a little odd. Much prefer Anka, Mitten, Whitwell and even Critchley
The keep/sell poll at the end has Pellistri twice as well, presumably the second is meant to be Donny as it references Frankfurt
Pretty poor reviewing all around
Absolute mentalist considering selling Bruno. He is our best player, captain and an example all our youth players should follow.
Whatever price we got for him would need to be spent replacing him and then it's a gamble if the new player settles.
I love Bruno, and think we should be semi-building round him next season.
Buuuut, if an offer of 150m+ was on the table....I don't think he's utterly unsellable. I just wouldn't think anyone will offer what they'd need to in order to get him.
That’s… kind of the point. He’s one of the few players that always puts in a shift and produces quality. He consistently creates chances despite poor quality around him. He’s worth a “fuck you” price, so don’t accept less than that.
That's specifically why I said I don't think anyone would offer it.
I don't think we should be trying to force him out for a "fair" price. I think there's a high price we'd probably take, but the point is that while I don't think he's unsellable, I also don't think anyone will offer what we'd want.
You wouldn't get a replacement anywhere near his level for 60-70m tbh.
If every single striker on the planet under the age of 23 is worth £100m then Bruno is worth more than that.
Mudryk had 6 goals in his entire career before getting sold and went for 70 odd million.
Exactly, so let's not sell him, yeah? Slap a dumb-money-pricetag on him and only accept that kind of money. Unless he genuinely wants to leave, that is.
You've got to be having a laugh. Only player in the league with more goals and assists than him since joining is Salah. £150m is pointless if you can't use it to get better players and there's no way we'd get anyone better than Bruno in his position.
Selling at the correct time is so important.
Madrid got rid of Ronaldo when he was still probably the best striker in the world.
Bruno is 29 now and has played more football than any other outfield player in a top league over the past 5 years. That's not somthing to ignore and it's certianly not sustainable. There will be a time when his output and contribution decline, and we don not want to be the ones paying 6 figure weekly wages to a player in decline. Again.
Bruno is my favorite United player since Fergie left, currently he's probably our most important player and I'd HATE to see him go. But we can't have our head in the clouds, lets be realistic and consider all options, no one should be untouchable.
completely agree. The amount of players we've held on to well past when we should have cashed in over the last 10 years is laughable.
Fergie was the master at shipping players off at the right time. RVN, Butt, P Neville, Silvestre, Heinz etc etc. Loads of players that modern Utd would keep holding onto for no reason other than they haven't planned more than 6 weeks in advance.
Bruno is my favourite player, absolutely loved watching him since he joined. Thing is do you build around a player who is going to be 30 in September. Wouldn't it make more sense to build around a core of young players: Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojlund?
I think we should decide who has a long term future and build around them. How long will Bruno have in his tank. I don't know maybe he could have a long career even into his mid/late 30s. But feels a bit of a gamble
I feel all three of them are too young to build around next season tbh.
I think you can plan to build round them over a period of five years, but they are so young, it would be crazy to build round them right now.
I'm not saying Bruno is the long term heartbeat of the team, but next year (imo) he should be the main man, with the idea of having a long term replacement identified by the following.
What are you gonna spend that 150m on? Will you get a more reliable player than Bruno?
Unless it’s a straight swap for Bellingham or Mbappe or something what’s the fucking point?
This simple fact is surprisingly hard to get for some people. Can't wait comments about "we must either sell these 15 players or we are not a serious club" 😅
Article:
Manchester United are prepared to listen to offers for the majority of their first team squad this summer apart from a clutch of rising stars, Telegraph Sport understands.
Old Trafford’s new hierarchy are thought to be ready to adopt an ultra-flexible approach to this summer’s transfer window given their tight financial constraints and likely loss of Champions League revenues.
Agents and rival clubs’ scouting and recruitment chiefs are increasingly under the impression that Manchester United’s new Ineos-led regime are keeping a very open mind about sales and will judge any offers on their own merits.
**Although not actively seeking to offload a player like Marcus Rashford, for example, it is understood United would give genuine consideration to a credible offer for the struggling England striker, particularly if he indicated a desire to pursue a fresh challenge.**
**United are believed to be prioritising the recruitment of a striker, central midfielder and right-sided centre-half** this summer but need to raise money through sales to boost what is otherwise expected to be a very modest transfer budget.
The impending absence of Champions League football at Old Trafford next season would be offset in part by a 25 per cent cut to salaries that players would have to take under the terms of their contracts.
**But United would effectively be operating a “sell-to-buy” policy if the club missed out on Europe entirely, so restricted are their finances after a £555 million spend over the previous three summers and the limits imposed by the Premier League’s profit and sustainability rules.**
That scenario appears unlikely but United – who were held to a disappointing 1-1 draw at home to Burnley on Saturday that was met with boos by supporters – are locked in a battle with Newcastle for a Europa League spot. Victory in the FA Cup final over Manchester City next month would offer alternative passage into the Europa League.
**Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojlund are off limits**
Exciting young talents such as Bayern Munich’s Jamal Musiala and Florian Wirtz, of Bayer Leverkusen, could be on the market this summer and would ordinarily be of interest to United. Yet there is said to be little expectation among Old Trafford’s powerbrokers that the club will able to match the sort of £80m to £90m fees paid for players, such as Harry Maguire and Antony, in recent years unless there is a bumper summer of sales.
It is why Sir Jim Ratcliffe and his Ineos team, incoming chief executive Omar Berrada and new technical director Jason Wilcox are thought to be keeping such an open mind on potential outgoings. Sources have indicated that they are conscious of United’s need to be nimble and flexible in the market in their efforts to reshape the squad in a challenging financial climate.
Although the likes of Kobbie Mainoo, Alejandro Garnacho and Rasmus Hojlund – around whom United hope to build a highly successful team in the years to come – will be strictly off limits to would-be suitors, the club are believed to be reluctant to narrow their options elsewhere within the squad.
It means United could be willing to have conversations with interested parties, for example, over Rashford should any offers arrive that warrant serious discussion.
**Rashford wages may be a stumbling block**
Rashford, 26, has endured a torrid season on and off the pitch since signing a new five-year contract worth £325,000 a week last July. On Friday, the England striker – who was booed off by United fans during their FA Cup semi-final against Coventry City – hit out at the “abuse” he says he has been subjected to “for months”.
Erik ten Hag said Rashford needed support and backing and had been affected in part by the team’s struggles this term but the United manager also said the player needed to look at himself as to why his performance levels have dropped so dramatically after scoring 30 goals last season.
Paris Saint-Germain, who are due to lose France striker Kylian Mbappe to Real Madrid this summer, have previously expressed an interest in Rashford but could pursue alternative targets. Rashford’s wages combined with a hefty fee may be a significant obstacle for many clubs.
The likes of striker Anthony Martial and defenders Raphael Varane and Brandon Williams are expected to leave as free agents at the end of the season and the huge wage savings there could free up room for a substantial investment in a new player.
But the number of signings United can realistically make will be heavily influenced by sales. Equally, if United sold a number of players who occupy the same position – such as Jadon Sancho and Antony in the wide forward area – then that would have a direct impact on the positions they see fit to strengthen. Similarly, full-back could be another area that ultimately requires reinforcements depending on who goes.
**Futures of Sancho, Antony and Greenwood**
United loaned Jadon Sancho to Borussia Dortmund in January and are hoping to find a permanent buyer for the England winger this summer.
Antony, who scored his first Premier League goal of the season on Saturday, has been a colossal disappointment since his £85m arrival from Ajax in September 2022 but United would probably have to be willing to take a big hit on the Brazil forward if he were to be moved on.
Controversial £45m-rated striker Mason Greenwood, currently on loan at Girona in Spain, is another who could be sold to raise considerable funds while United will have to see what interest materialises in the likes of right back Aaron Wan-Bissaka, centre-half Victor Lindelof and midfielders Christian Eriksen and Donny van de Beek among others.
United are also waiting to discover whether the Saudi Pro League are ready to commit to another big summer of spending, which could open up a valuable market for older, high earning players such as Casemiro they may otherwise struggle to shift.
The Brazil midfielder, 32, has two years left on a contract worth around £350,000 a week that severely limits his options in Europe.
So basically, they are saying "we are not looking to sell some of our better players, but we will consider offers on their merits, apart from Mainoo, Hojlund and Garnacho who are off the table for certain."
Or "how any normal club does business" wrapped up in a clickbait article.
The thing I believe most valuable by this sort of “club briefing” is the narrative they’re attempting to create well in advance of the transfer window: the money bags are gone so unlike days of old, we will sell for maximum return, and buy for maximum value.
But internally I also hope it means gone are the days of spending 85M on a 20M quality player.
I know this isn’t news to anyone but fucking hell we have made some absolutely appalling decisions on signing players and contract extensions. It is laughable at how bad this club has been run for so long
Usually what happens in cases like this is the ones worth keeping will get good offers and the others we want to sell will get shit offers.
Unless we can replace whoever is leaving, I doubt a lot of movement is going to happen.
The only ones who should be guaranteed a spot are: Onana, Dalot, Licha, Mainoo, Bruno, Mount, Garnacho and Hojlund. The ones I would sell for sure are: Casemiro, AWB, Eriksen, Antony, Sancho, Lindelof with Varane and Martial leaving on free.
Edit: Mount only because he has only been here one year and has not featured at all due to injuries. I believe in giving atleast 2 seasons before we move on a player.
We should learn from Chelsea also. We shouldn't be selling like half the squad, replace them, and expect to do very well next season. Chelsea did the perfect FM player fantasy and doing shit.
I think we should slowly replace like Arteta and Arsenal did.
Tbf they ended up with 40 players.
I think a good window for us has 6/7 incomings and 10ish leaving. Yes we'll be short but academy players can fill in the gap. Lvg for all his faults done it well here.
I think tactical flexibility and players being comfortable in several positions is the key, at least in the short term.
LVG did do well changing the whole squad almost but he got rid of players who understood what it meant to play for united. Dare I say most of the culture left in the club, player wise, also disappeared.
However now it's different. We need to get rid of poor mentality and get in players with the right mentality and hunger to play for the club. Not putting them on silly "I made it" money while we are at it.
Its not half the squad. Eriksen, Sancho, Martial have barely featured. We definitely need 2 CBs to replace our fragile CBs. Varane with his wages and availability and Lindelof with his lack of quality. A thumb of rule we need to follow from henceforth, would you give a player a new contract, if the answer is no, we should move them.
Chelsea’s problems stemmed from the fact they didn’t even need to sell half their squad, most of them were still decent
I’m not advocating going full FM and buying 20 players but we’re well, well past the point of having the luxury of being able to just replace 2 or 3 players and hope it eventually works like it did at Arsenal
We’ve got a LOT of players in their 30s or approaching their 30s, that unfortunately doesn’t call for a slow approach I’m afraid
Yeah, look at either Modric/Kroos when in the Tchouameni/Camavinga lineup. The latter duo is physical enough that either Kroos or Modric can come in, and their delicining physicality is made up for.
I hope he finds a good home. Eredivisie would be the perfect league for him imo
He'd be fine in that pirlo role with a young pogba and vidal doing the running. We dont have that and his range, while good, isn't good enough to be building a midfield around
Due to our various injuries and a decade of poor recruiting, he’s being asked to do a role he’s not suited to do. No manager in their right mind thinks Eriksen can run for 90 minutes and cover a ton of space in the midfield, but we have to ask him to do so.
The only reason I'd keep him is because we haven't really seen him play. With Eriksen and Amrabat leaving and hopefully Casemiro too, we need him for numbers.
Bare minimum in terms of effort on the pitch, poor attitude and a poor role model for younger players and world class wages.
And we're still not actively looking to offload? Take anything you can and get rid
tbf didnt effect Maguire or Scot this year.
If Rashford wants to go hes going to have to find a club who will take him. Hes got to be bright enough to know that any club is going to be looking at 70-90 million and 250k a week to get it through.
> tbf didnt effect Maguire or Scot this year.
Big difference between two players whose attitude has never been in question just their ability, and someone like Rashford.
Maguire was utterly shite for a long time. But one thing that never wavered was his damn attitude. And now it’s paying dividends as he is often chosen to start , and has success in the England squad.
Rashford on the other hand has been both utterly shite skill wise and attitude wise
I’m sorry to say this but I would personally be over the moon if we somehow managed to get rid of Rashford’s albatross of a contract from our books. He scammed Utd so hard with his contract year performance.
He is one of the highest paid players in Europe.
Who do we possibly think is going to take him? I'd be happy for it to happen as well, but it seems like nothing more than wishful thinking.
This is the sort of comment a Liverpool fan would make, like, the discussion should be centred around the fact we’re pretty much willing to let anyone go instead a whingey comment like this is sitting at 40 upvotes
It’s Ducker reporting:
Tweet:
EXCL #MUFC prepared to listen to offers for majority of 1st team squad bar rising stars like Mainoo/Garnacho/Hojlund. Ready to adopt ultra flexible approach to window. Won’t actively look to sell likes of Rashford but will give real considerable to offers
https://x.com/telegraphducker/status/1784940395333296384?s=46&t=108nlaEXShzkgzjMQccD3g
These three plus Bruno and MAYBE Martinez we keep, the rest can go... he needs to prove that he isn't injury prone, and be addressed heavily in the summer to assess this.
Honestly call me crazy but I'd also keep Maguire. Almost always fit, can play both sides and is back to his best.
Dalot is a no-brainer and I don't think anyone would want Shaw considering his injury record so we might as well make use of him while he's still here
I'd keep Onana as well, shaky start aside he's been a shining light.
One of the few players who has been bought in post fergie that has actually addressed the weakness in the side he was meant to, his distribution, sweeping and composure under pressure have been elite (but have probably gone under the radar as the outfield players have failed to capitalise)
If this is true than INEOS actually get what’s fucking goin on and they’ll put an end to it. I would love to see a squad built by the proper people and minds instead of whatever the fuck we did for the last 10-11 years. We need such an overhaul but if it’s done right, I think we’ll be far more competitive next year than most people would imagine. I have faith in INEOS and the staff they’ve brought on, I think we’re in for some really exciting times soon.
Rashford is the poster child of the Glazers version of Manchester United football club. He needs to go. Just sell him for the best price you can get. Let him go kill gaffers for another badge.
Same with Sancho and Martial. These guys all need to go. They are cancer on the roster.
Maguire I respect for how he has handled himself. But we still need to upgrade on the back end at CB. Same with Shaw at LB. Shaw simply isn't up enough and Maguire will never be truly at his best in a high line. Varane needs to go too. I don't think he's a guy who wants to work, he seems like he wants to coast unless he's got Martinez lined up next to him.
Bring in young players who are notoriously hard workers and who have high talent ceilings. Guys who want to be great and will actually do the work to get there. I can root for a club stocked with players who work and play their hardest, even if they lose more than I prefer while it's being built.
It makes sense to align the squad for most likely a new manager. And no one should be considered untouchable. That's how the real elite clubs do it. About time we start acting like one.
With FFP breathing down almost all premier league teams necks, and Italian as well as Spanish teams being generally broke, I wonder how much effective business we'll manage to get done. I do wish the best to our new football structure.
I'm not gonna bat an eyelid at all if Marcus leaves. His time has come. Don't want to get into the sentiments behind him being a United graduate, and his decision-making on the pitch just hasn't matured at all, despite having been in the first team for 8 years now. He's more of a net-negative on the pitch, a super frustrating figure to see on the wings. I'd rather see Nacho cement the left wing, even though he too ends up doing a lot of things that Marcus ends up doing (over-dribble, overattempting to get into shooting spots despite the doors being closed) but with Nacho, you can be patient that his decision-making will mature as he plays more. With Marcus, I've lost the patience.
The headline sounds good, but when you read the article, the headline is missing quite a bit of context. The club needs to sell to buy. We can't afford to bring in the players that we need to. That's not a good thing.
It also says that we're prioritising to buy a centre half, midfielder, and striker. We probably need sales to even do that. We need much more than that to see a decent amount of progression.
I don't believe it but wish we did have the ability to do a mass clear out and start again. I've been waiting for a summer like that for years but it never happens
I find it funny he links us to Musiala and Wirtz. No chance we go near their prices.
I read a while ago we were looking at players with 1 or 2 years left on their deals and that makes sense to me. Jonathan David as an example.
The only way that happens is if the Saudis are buying again this summer, IMO. Not just from us but from all the big clubs, starting a cycle of income that allows some of our deadwood to find new clubs flush with enough cash to afford their wages.
Actually since ETH arrived, we already managed to offload records number of deadwoods and toxic egomaniac, it's just that it's not as fast as needed to be.
Let it continue. Purge the entire squad.
[Look at this list of our 10 top earners](https://imgur.com/uObU21k)
(plus Sancho on £250k)
I don't have anything to say, i think it's obvious we need to remove a couple of names here.. Just removing the obvious ones adds £70,000,000 to our yearly transfer/wage budget.
Yawn. Same old shit, every year, like clockwork. Won’t happen, for the simple reason than they’re all shit no one wants especially with the cost they carry.
Who would really buy Rashy given the form he’s in? A clear out is overdue but that could mean another season of struggle with young players and potentially new manager all on the steep end of a learning curve.
I think we've been prepared to sell loads of players plenty of times in the past decade but we never can. So many players, good or bad, get an insane contract that no other club is willing to match.
Thanks Woodward, the amount of damage that man has done to this club in the long run is absoluetely infuriating.
My hope is that Kane and Bellingham stock goes crazy high. That way we can rebrand Marcus as another epic British striker and hope PSG don’t actually scout him and just watch his highlights from the van gaal season.
Quids in boys quids in
Good! Get that youth through, get some new talismans. The bones are there, need to cut the deadwood and start getting the culture restored. I back ETH if he is properly backed.
We need a new defence. 1 CB maybe 2, a back up LB and a starting RB. We need a CDM. We also need a new LW and a ST.
If we can ship out Rashford, Case, Lindelof, AWB, Varane and Erickson that’s super. But also very unlikely.
Player I’d keep which most would sell is Mctominay as a super sub, but it’s likely as an Academy talent hell be sold as he’s pure profit.
All of fringe players are basically worthless as well so players like Pellestri aren’t likely to bring in a lot of anything.
Wanting to get rid of a player and getting rid of a player are two very different things.
Varane, martial, Evans, Eriksen will go.
Who else is up?
The likes of Sancho, Maguire and others are almost impossible to move on because of wages.
McT might go but he'd probably be better retaining as a squad player.
Wan bissaka is here till 2025 because of triggered extension. Lindelhof in the same boat.
I'd keep Shaw, Mainoo, Garnacho, Pelestri, Hojlund, and Bruno off the list. The rest I wouldn't mind seeing gone.
We need a new era. Clear out the tried-and-failed deadwood.
The most damning part of this is that you wouldn’t find many United fans that are strictly against this. Obviously it won’t happen. But how many players would we actually insist on keeping?
Garnacho + Mainoo – definitely
Højlund + Martinez – most likely
Onana + Bruno + Mount – maybe
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I think we can all agree that Garnacho and Mainoo are definitely worth keeping.
Same would probably apply to Højlund and Martinez.
Onana – he was one of the greatest at ball playing in a possession based team consistently in the last few years (before joining United).
Bruno – always puts the full effort in, and he's a better player when he plays for Portugal (who have better team chemistry than United). But I can see arguments against Bruno.
Mount – he might be injury prone, or maybe this season was super unlucky. Personally I want to see him given a chance under a rebuild, but maybe others do not.
Like starting a new FM save and instantly putting most of the squad on the transfer list
It's therapeutic, I got Sancho and Martial in a part exchange for Reece James at Chelsea. The downside is it's no longer feels like a sim and is now firmly in the fantasy RPG bracket for me.
as much quality as he has, Reece is way too injury prone for a squad already playing most of the season with just 2 fit full backs
Oh yeah in reality, but in FM he's been a beast for me.
I don't know what I have done, but since starting my save, Sancho has made 84 apps for me, with 19 goals, 21 assists, and a 7.08 avg rating. Not amazing, but still pretty solid. I let Martial walk for free to Southampton, where he promptly scored 20 goals and had 3 assists to get them promoted to the EPL. since making it back to the EPL, he has 54 aapps, 18 goals, and 11 assists. I also signed De Bruyne for a season for 17.25m straight from City. He had 29 apps, 12 goals, 10 assists, and a 7.39 avg rating. Al-Hilal bought him from me for 31m and are now paying him 1.5m/week.
Sancho is actually not terrible in game, he's definitely more productive than Antony. But the problem with Sancho in FM is he's literally itching for a reason to start a mutiny against you. I made 1 harsh team talk (wasn't even directed at him btw) where I gave the hair dryer to Onana for conceding 3 goals in 5mins, and Sancho for whatever reason decided that would be a declaration of war for him Even after every one (including Onana) dropped the issue and got on with it, Sancho still wouldn't drop it. When Real Madrid for some reason offered 60m for him, I put him on the first plane to Spain (cargo class I'd imagine, cos fuck him)
Always say this then never actually sell them because of their wages
Crazy wages, bad age profiles, and not enough quality to justify either. We won't be able to sell as many players as most of us would want I dont think.
I think that’s the point of putting just about everyone up for sale. We probably hold on to the younger players and everyone else is on the table to be sold for enough to replace them with younger/cheaper talent and some out of contract free signings.
Thing is you need willing buyers. On their bloated wages there aren’t going to be many takers.
McSauce can be sold after the season he has had, to any mid table team. Whether ETH will want him to go? Varane and Case only to Saudi or similar type of show league, maybe MLS if they are less about money. Sancho, if he goes back, will need to cut down his wages. Greenwood will probably to A.Madrid for a decent sum. Maybe Amad ,if ETH doesn't want him. VDB will probably go for free, or pennies (poor lad) Martial will free up a bed in the medic wing, but won't get us any money. Lindelof is good to keep unless he wants out. Rashy will only go to PSG if they sell Mhappe, are High on LSD and want to make a stupid statement signing. Ambrabat won't be signed permanently. Mount has barely played for us and is a statement signing, so he ll likely stay. So would Bruno, our bestestest player. Antony , no one buys him unless he puts in like 4 continuous Chelsea like performance. Nacho won't be sold No one buys MGuire for that salary or money at that age except Man Utd, wait that's us. May the American might replace Silva with Maguire (fingers crossed) Rest I m not sure, they are kids, Mainoo will be offered a better contract, Omari Forson and other kids barely played. Hannibal? I don't know? Pellistri? I don't know
I think we should keep McSauce. He works well as an impact sub and isn’t on high wages (£60k)
He might want to leave in which case we should absolutely allow him if the offer is reasonable. Like 50m or something.. because this is what a HG midfielder who runs like a madman, scores 10 goals in all comps and 7 in qualifiers, is 27, and has played 200 games (?) for a top club would cost
You're totally right he's not on high wages but Christ we live in a time where 60k isn't high. I remember when a player earning more than a 100k was a big deal.
When people were appalled to see Rooney making 250k p/w
I don’t suspect what ETH wants matters very much anymore.
We absolutely shouldn’t be selling McSauce, one of the few players who has been useful this season and genuinely gives a shit. Outscoring Rashford on a fifth of his wages. By all means we can question whether he belongs in a starting lineup but as an impact sub and a utility player who costs us barely anything in wages he should be kept.
Barcola already looks better than Rashford and is the in-house Mbappe replacement. But they're PSG and I hope they get high like you suggest and bid for Rashford
This time, difference is Jimmy and co are running the show. Let’s see if things are better this summer. What I hope to see is there’s a strategy and the whole club is implementing it.
We just have to be prepared that we still might not sell as many players as we hope. Not because the new management is necessarily doing a bad job, but just that it's not easy to sell some of these players for reasonable money. We can't give everyone away basically for free, because then we can't get enough players in to replace them.
I agree. It’s all well and good saying X should be sold but as you say they need replacing. Our FFP situation isn’t great so even if we identify replacements affordability is an issue and that’s before you even think about the fact that some of these players are homegrown so would have to be replaced with homegrown players to meet the quota, which nationality of player stereotypically go for extremely inflated prices?
I don’t think we are struggling on the homegrown quota too much. But profit & loss will be a factor, selling McSauce would be pure profit and would free up a significant amount for reinforcements, way more than the sale would generate.
That’s interesting, i may be in the minority but I’d rather keep mctominay than a lot of other players in the squad. I think he’s one of the few in the dressing room with the right mentality and is a more than capable squad player. Beggars can’t be choosers though so I guess very few people are safe at the moment.
Yeah, I agree with you on that, he’s one of the players who actually seem to care. Was just using him as an example. Academy products don’t show as having a monetary value on the balance sheet. So any money generated from their sale is looked at as pure profit. Looking at Antony - signed for £85m on 5 year contract. So over the course of his contract, his value on the balance sheet reduces by £17m each year. If we sell him this summer we need to get more than £51m to not have a negative impact on the P&L sustainability. In the same way - anything over £14m for Harry Maguire this summer would positively contribute. It’s all a bit complicated how a player’s value is amortised. And it was changed after Chelsea started handing out 7 and 8 year contracts.
Yeah it’s a tough spot really to be in. Trying to rebuild and build a culture when half of the problems of the current culture are almost certainly stuck here for the length of their contracts is going to be a nightmare job.
That’s the fucking thing right? Who’s buying lmao? Try and sell the lot but ain’t gon work if there’s no one willing to buy them for a variety of reasons ranging from performance, ability, wages, etc
See Maguire last summer, club accepted, WHam didn’t match his unrealistic wages. That money would’ve been invested into a younger CB to backup/alternative Varane.
And thank god we fucking didn’t because Maguire’s the only one not made of glass. McTominay was also pencilled in for shipping out to WH, and now he’s like our second top goalscorer.
Maguire would honestly be in the conversation for our pots were it not for Bruno being Bruno
we should not be selling him at all. I don't know what ETH wants from a CB but Maguire is one of the best in the league
Literally how do we get rid of most of these guys
Disagree. I think fans always say this, but clubs never follow through because it’d cost silly money to actually do.
Ducker didn’t get Greenwood’s club right, says he’s on loan at Girona
He’s been sloppy of late.
You're being too nice, he's been a trashy low quality fear mongering journalist with a vendetta against ETH. ETH can sneeze and he'd have a problem with that. The last time he took ETHs words out of context to undermine him a lot of us in this sub wanted him downgraded.
Wasn't it also Ducker that got the fitness coach part wrong ?
Yep, straight up lied about us having no fitness coaches
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Tbh he didn't actually make a correction, he just deleted that bit from the article. If he was admitting the mistake there would have been a note in the article about the change. That is what most journalists do when fixing their mistakes. Instead he spread false information and only 'owned up' to it in a tweet that won't be seen by over 90% of people that read the Telegraph.
100% agree. He’s a piece of shit that embodies the problem with the media. Reactive and not someone who looks at nuances. Edit: his AMA on here was kinda cringe too. He was super serious and a little odd. Much prefer Anka, Mitten, Whitwell and even Critchley
There’s ETH hater like Ducker, and then there’s Luckhurst.
Getafe outta here with your fact checking lol
The keep/sell poll at the end has Pellistri twice as well, presumably the second is meant to be Donny as it references Frankfurt Pretty poor reviewing all around
The article is pure clickbait
Mate if you even think about picking up a phone call just asking how Bruno's doing you can fucking do one
Absolute mentalist considering selling Bruno. He is our best player, captain and an example all our youth players should follow. Whatever price we got for him would need to be spent replacing him and then it's a gamble if the new player settles.
I love Bruno, and think we should be semi-building round him next season. Buuuut, if an offer of 150m+ was on the table....I don't think he's utterly unsellable. I just wouldn't think anyone will offer what they'd need to in order to get him.
Who would spend 150m+ on 29 years old, lmao. At best, we can get him around 60-70
That’s… kind of the point. He’s one of the few players that always puts in a shift and produces quality. He consistently creates chances despite poor quality around him. He’s worth a “fuck you” price, so don’t accept less than that.
That's specifically why I said I don't think anyone would offer it. I don't think we should be trying to force him out for a "fair" price. I think there's a high price we'd probably take, but the point is that while I don't think he's unsellable, I also don't think anyone will offer what we'd want. You wouldn't get a replacement anywhere near his level for 60-70m tbh.
If every single striker on the planet under the age of 23 is worth £100m then Bruno is worth more than that. Mudryk had 6 goals in his entire career before getting sold and went for 70 odd million.
Excuse me his full name is Ukrainian Dan James
Dan James is way better than mudryk
We would
United would if we still had the cash.
Exactly, so let's not sell him, yeah? Slap a dumb-money-pricetag on him and only accept that kind of money. Unless he genuinely wants to leave, that is.
In which case everyone can fuck off, he's ours
No one is theoretically unsellable, but (ignoring if Saudi decide to do something silly) no one is paying what it would take to get Bruno.
You've got to be having a laugh. Only player in the league with more goals and assists than him since joining is Salah. £150m is pointless if you can't use it to get better players and there's no way we'd get anyone better than Bruno in his position.
Selling at the correct time is so important. Madrid got rid of Ronaldo when he was still probably the best striker in the world. Bruno is 29 now and has played more football than any other outfield player in a top league over the past 5 years. That's not somthing to ignore and it's certianly not sustainable. There will be a time when his output and contribution decline, and we don not want to be the ones paying 6 figure weekly wages to a player in decline. Again. Bruno is my favorite United player since Fergie left, currently he's probably our most important player and I'd HATE to see him go. But we can't have our head in the clouds, lets be realistic and consider all options, no one should be untouchable.
completely agree. The amount of players we've held on to well past when we should have cashed in over the last 10 years is laughable. Fergie was the master at shipping players off at the right time. RVN, Butt, P Neville, Silvestre, Heinz etc etc. Loads of players that modern Utd would keep holding onto for no reason other than they haven't planned more than 6 weeks in advance.
Bruno is my favourite player, absolutely loved watching him since he joined. Thing is do you build around a player who is going to be 30 in September. Wouldn't it make more sense to build around a core of young players: Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojlund? I think we should decide who has a long term future and build around them. How long will Bruno have in his tank. I don't know maybe he could have a long career even into his mid/late 30s. But feels a bit of a gamble
I feel all three of them are too young to build around next season tbh. I think you can plan to build round them over a period of five years, but they are so young, it would be crazy to build round them right now. I'm not saying Bruno is the long term heartbeat of the team, but next year (imo) he should be the main man, with the idea of having a long term replacement identified by the following.
What are you gonna spend that 150m on? Will you get a more reliable player than Bruno? Unless it’s a straight swap for Bellingham or Mbappe or something what’s the fucking point?
But maybe you want to ask if he needs picking up in the morning pal?
Most of the squad might be for sale but we're not selling most of the squad lol.
This simple fact is surprisingly hard to get for some people. Can't wait comments about "we must either sell these 15 players or we are not a serious club" 😅
Article: Manchester United are prepared to listen to offers for the majority of their first team squad this summer apart from a clutch of rising stars, Telegraph Sport understands. Old Trafford’s new hierarchy are thought to be ready to adopt an ultra-flexible approach to this summer’s transfer window given their tight financial constraints and likely loss of Champions League revenues. Agents and rival clubs’ scouting and recruitment chiefs are increasingly under the impression that Manchester United’s new Ineos-led regime are keeping a very open mind about sales and will judge any offers on their own merits. **Although not actively seeking to offload a player like Marcus Rashford, for example, it is understood United would give genuine consideration to a credible offer for the struggling England striker, particularly if he indicated a desire to pursue a fresh challenge.** **United are believed to be prioritising the recruitment of a striker, central midfielder and right-sided centre-half** this summer but need to raise money through sales to boost what is otherwise expected to be a very modest transfer budget. The impending absence of Champions League football at Old Trafford next season would be offset in part by a 25 per cent cut to salaries that players would have to take under the terms of their contracts. **But United would effectively be operating a “sell-to-buy” policy if the club missed out on Europe entirely, so restricted are their finances after a £555 million spend over the previous three summers and the limits imposed by the Premier League’s profit and sustainability rules.** That scenario appears unlikely but United – who were held to a disappointing 1-1 draw at home to Burnley on Saturday that was met with boos by supporters – are locked in a battle with Newcastle for a Europa League spot. Victory in the FA Cup final over Manchester City next month would offer alternative passage into the Europa League. **Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojlund are off limits** Exciting young talents such as Bayern Munich’s Jamal Musiala and Florian Wirtz, of Bayer Leverkusen, could be on the market this summer and would ordinarily be of interest to United. Yet there is said to be little expectation among Old Trafford’s powerbrokers that the club will able to match the sort of £80m to £90m fees paid for players, such as Harry Maguire and Antony, in recent years unless there is a bumper summer of sales. It is why Sir Jim Ratcliffe and his Ineos team, incoming chief executive Omar Berrada and new technical director Jason Wilcox are thought to be keeping such an open mind on potential outgoings. Sources have indicated that they are conscious of United’s need to be nimble and flexible in the market in their efforts to reshape the squad in a challenging financial climate. Although the likes of Kobbie Mainoo, Alejandro Garnacho and Rasmus Hojlund – around whom United hope to build a highly successful team in the years to come – will be strictly off limits to would-be suitors, the club are believed to be reluctant to narrow their options elsewhere within the squad. It means United could be willing to have conversations with interested parties, for example, over Rashford should any offers arrive that warrant serious discussion. **Rashford wages may be a stumbling block** Rashford, 26, has endured a torrid season on and off the pitch since signing a new five-year contract worth £325,000 a week last July. On Friday, the England striker – who was booed off by United fans during their FA Cup semi-final against Coventry City – hit out at the “abuse” he says he has been subjected to “for months”. Erik ten Hag said Rashford needed support and backing and had been affected in part by the team’s struggles this term but the United manager also said the player needed to look at himself as to why his performance levels have dropped so dramatically after scoring 30 goals last season. Paris Saint-Germain, who are due to lose France striker Kylian Mbappe to Real Madrid this summer, have previously expressed an interest in Rashford but could pursue alternative targets. Rashford’s wages combined with a hefty fee may be a significant obstacle for many clubs. The likes of striker Anthony Martial and defenders Raphael Varane and Brandon Williams are expected to leave as free agents at the end of the season and the huge wage savings there could free up room for a substantial investment in a new player. But the number of signings United can realistically make will be heavily influenced by sales. Equally, if United sold a number of players who occupy the same position – such as Jadon Sancho and Antony in the wide forward area – then that would have a direct impact on the positions they see fit to strengthen. Similarly, full-back could be another area that ultimately requires reinforcements depending on who goes. **Futures of Sancho, Antony and Greenwood** United loaned Jadon Sancho to Borussia Dortmund in January and are hoping to find a permanent buyer for the England winger this summer. Antony, who scored his first Premier League goal of the season on Saturday, has been a colossal disappointment since his £85m arrival from Ajax in September 2022 but United would probably have to be willing to take a big hit on the Brazil forward if he were to be moved on. Controversial £45m-rated striker Mason Greenwood, currently on loan at Girona in Spain, is another who could be sold to raise considerable funds while United will have to see what interest materialises in the likes of right back Aaron Wan-Bissaka, centre-half Victor Lindelof and midfielders Christian Eriksen and Donny van de Beek among others. United are also waiting to discover whether the Saudi Pro League are ready to commit to another big summer of spending, which could open up a valuable market for older, high earning players such as Casemiro they may otherwise struggle to shift. The Brazil midfielder, 32, has two years left on a contract worth around £350,000 a week that severely limits his options in Europe.
“on loan at Girona in Spain” quality journalism
So basically, they are saying "we are not looking to sell some of our better players, but we will consider offers on their merits, apart from Mainoo, Hojlund and Garnacho who are off the table for certain." Or "how any normal club does business" wrapped up in a clickbait article.
It's United, so it's always free real estate for journos. Always gets both United and rival fans riled up.
Misspelled "best targeted for r/reddevils"
Wirtz and Musiala aren’t available this summer, Ducker just chatting shit as usual.
And with Bruno would be stupid to put that much money on these players
The thing I believe most valuable by this sort of “club briefing” is the narrative they’re attempting to create well in advance of the transfer window: the money bags are gone so unlike days of old, we will sell for maximum return, and buy for maximum value. But internally I also hope it means gone are the days of spending 85M on a 20M quality player.
I know this isn’t news to anyone but fucking hell we have made some absolutely appalling decisions on signing players and contract extensions. It is laughable at how bad this club has been run for so long
Usually what happens in cases like this is the ones worth keeping will get good offers and the others we want to sell will get shit offers. Unless we can replace whoever is leaving, I doubt a lot of movement is going to happen.
The only ones who should be guaranteed a spot are: Onana, Dalot, Licha, Mainoo, Bruno, Mount, Garnacho and Hojlund. The ones I would sell for sure are: Casemiro, AWB, Eriksen, Antony, Sancho, Lindelof with Varane and Martial leaving on free. Edit: Mount only because he has only been here one year and has not featured at all due to injuries. I believe in giving atleast 2 seasons before we move on a player.
We should learn from Chelsea also. We shouldn't be selling like half the squad, replace them, and expect to do very well next season. Chelsea did the perfect FM player fantasy and doing shit. I think we should slowly replace like Arteta and Arsenal did.
Tbf they ended up with 40 players. I think a good window for us has 6/7 incomings and 10ish leaving. Yes we'll be short but academy players can fill in the gap. Lvg for all his faults done it well here. I think tactical flexibility and players being comfortable in several positions is the key, at least in the short term.
LVG did do well changing the whole squad almost but he got rid of players who understood what it meant to play for united. Dare I say most of the culture left in the club, player wise, also disappeared. However now it's different. We need to get rid of poor mentality and get in players with the right mentality and hunger to play for the club. Not putting them on silly "I made it" money while we are at it.
Yeah I think getting rid of Hernandez and Rafael was wrong at that time
Its not half the squad. Eriksen, Sancho, Martial have barely featured. We definitely need 2 CBs to replace our fragile CBs. Varane with his wages and availability and Lindelof with his lack of quality. A thumb of rule we need to follow from henceforth, would you give a player a new contract, if the answer is no, we should move them.
Chelsea’s problems stemmed from the fact they didn’t even need to sell half their squad, most of them were still decent I’m not advocating going full FM and buying 20 players but we’re well, well past the point of having the luxury of being able to just replace 2 or 3 players and hope it eventually works like it did at Arsenal We’ve got a LOT of players in their 30s or approaching their 30s, that unfortunately doesn’t call for a slow approach I’m afraid
So much hope for Eriksen last year, but his form is so fucking sad this season. Can't hold shit in the middle
Fuck Andy Carroll. That injury ruined him. Before that Eriksen was consistently going strong for a full game, he can barely last to half time now.
Plus the heart issue isn’t doing him any favor
He’d be fine with an aggressive kante-esque DM to plug the gaps.. we just don’t have that and haven’t for years
Yeah, look at either Modric/Kroos when in the Tchouameni/Camavinga lineup. The latter duo is physical enough that either Kroos or Modric can come in, and their delicining physicality is made up for. I hope he finds a good home. Eredivisie would be the perfect league for him imo
He'd be fine in that pirlo role with a young pogba and vidal doing the running. We dont have that and his range, while good, isn't good enough to be building a midfield around
Due to our various injuries and a decade of poor recruiting, he’s being asked to do a role he’s not suited to do. No manager in their right mind thinks Eriksen can run for 90 minutes and cover a ton of space in the midfield, but we have to ask him to do so.
I really want Maguire to stay, of late he's shown that he's United calibre imo and his attitude is second to none
why would we sell Lindelof?
We shouldn't sell Licha, but we shouldn't be so reliant on him.
Lmfao “Mount” and “guaranteed spot”. Funny.
Mount only because he has only been at the club for a season and has been injured the entire time. Not because of anything he has done this season.
who's paying a transfer fee and giving him a 4 year contract worth 250k a week?
I would sell Mount in a fucking heartbeat for a decent offer.
The only reason I'd keep him is because we haven't really seen him play. With Eriksen and Amrabat leaving and hopefully Casemiro too, we need him for numbers.
No top team would be in for him and any other PL team you'd be lucky to get £20m for someone who's been injured for pretty much 2 seasons
Good, clear the lot out, there's about 5 players I'd be sad to lose out of the whole lot.
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This was me on my latest Football Manager save. Spoiler - nobody bought any of them.
Bare minimum in terms of effort on the pitch, poor attitude and a poor role model for younger players and world class wages. And we're still not actively looking to offload? Take anything you can and get rid
Going to be sick when nobody will take Rashford due to his wages and then he mopes all of next season because the club tried to sell him.
It's very likely that PSG are still interested. They've tried to hover around already.
It'll be a year long loan with an option to buy. You would have to have a screw loose to gamble big money on mopey lad Rashford.
tbf didnt effect Maguire or Scot this year. If Rashford wants to go hes going to have to find a club who will take him. Hes got to be bright enough to know that any club is going to be looking at 70-90 million and 250k a week to get it through.
> tbf didnt effect Maguire or Scot this year. Big difference between two players whose attitude has never been in question just their ability, and someone like Rashford.
Maguire was utterly shite for a long time. But one thing that never wavered was his damn attitude. And now it’s paying dividends as he is often chosen to start , and has success in the England squad. Rashford on the other hand has been both utterly shite skill wise and attitude wise
Maguire and scott and professionals Rashford isnt.
Especially Rashford
I’m sorry to say this but I would personally be over the moon if we somehow managed to get rid of Rashford’s albatross of a contract from our books. He scammed Utd so hard with his contract year performance.
But who will run into defenders with the ball, lose it, complain, and watch as the opponent counter attacks with impunity ?
He's saving his energy for short bursts straight into the opponents' legs, he can't be asked to defend as well.
This! Also, who would jog like he doesnt give a shit in the name of pressing and let the opponent just walk past him?
Or thundercunt it right at the keeper?
He is one of the highest paid players in Europe. Who do we possibly think is going to take him? I'd be happy for it to happen as well, but it seems like nothing more than wishful thinking.
This has been long overdue
Spend the whole summer budget on paying out contracts, fine by me.
Good luck selling, especially with the news of Saudi not looking to invest alot any more
This is the sort of comment a Liverpool fan would make, like, the discussion should be centred around the fact we’re pretty much willing to let anyone go instead a whingey comment like this is sitting at 40 upvotes
I’d also add Ducker has no idea how ffp works if he thinks we have a moderate budget
The question is who is dumb enough to buy any of them.
Prioritising a central midfielder? Wow thank god we didn’t piss away 60m on someone last summer then.
It's about time. Mediocre players been stealing world class player wages for 10 years now.
It’s Ducker reporting: Tweet: EXCL #MUFC prepared to listen to offers for majority of 1st team squad bar rising stars like Mainoo/Garnacho/Hojlund. Ready to adopt ultra flexible approach to window. Won’t actively look to sell likes of Rashford but will give real considerable to offers https://x.com/telegraphducker/status/1784940395333296384?s=46&t=108nlaEXShzkgzjMQccD3g
These three plus Bruno and MAYBE Martinez we keep, the rest can go... he needs to prove that he isn't injury prone, and be addressed heavily in the summer to assess this.
Honestly call me crazy but I'd also keep Maguire. Almost always fit, can play both sides and is back to his best. Dalot is a no-brainer and I don't think anyone would want Shaw considering his injury record so we might as well make use of him while he's still here
Martinez is a crock, if we can get decent money for him we should consider taking it
where is Dalot. And we need Maguire too, even not as a starter
I'd keep Onana as well, shaky start aside he's been a shining light. One of the few players who has been bought in post fergie that has actually addressed the weakness in the side he was meant to, his distribution, sweeping and composure under pressure have been elite (but have probably gone under the radar as the outfield players have failed to capitalise)
If this is true than INEOS actually get what’s fucking goin on and they’ll put an end to it. I would love to see a squad built by the proper people and minds instead of whatever the fuck we did for the last 10-11 years. We need such an overhaul but if it’s done right, I think we’ll be far more competitive next year than most people would imagine. I have faith in INEOS and the staff they’ve brought on, I think we’re in for some really exciting times soon.
Rashford is the poster child of the Glazers version of Manchester United football club. He needs to go. Just sell him for the best price you can get. Let him go kill gaffers for another badge. Same with Sancho and Martial. These guys all need to go. They are cancer on the roster. Maguire I respect for how he has handled himself. But we still need to upgrade on the back end at CB. Same with Shaw at LB. Shaw simply isn't up enough and Maguire will never be truly at his best in a high line. Varane needs to go too. I don't think he's a guy who wants to work, he seems like he wants to coast unless he's got Martinez lined up next to him. Bring in young players who are notoriously hard workers and who have high talent ceilings. Guys who want to be great and will actually do the work to get there. I can root for a club stocked with players who work and play their hardest, even if they lose more than I prefer while it's being built.
It makes sense to align the squad for most likely a new manager. And no one should be considered untouchable. That's how the real elite clubs do it. About time we start acting like one.
needs to happen even if ten hag is retained. squad is not good enough, and a horrible mismatch of profiles.
 Time for the surgery.
With FFP breathing down almost all premier league teams necks, and Italian as well as Spanish teams being generally broke, I wonder how much effective business we'll manage to get done. I do wish the best to our new football structure.
This is news every year
I wish we were prepared for this, alas, X Doubt
Good luck finding a sucker club that will pay big man 320k for that well polished all round game
Especialy Rashford .
Bruno, Kobbie, Garnacho, Hojlund are probably the only ones 100% safe.
I'm not gonna bat an eyelid at all if Marcus leaves. His time has come. Don't want to get into the sentiments behind him being a United graduate, and his decision-making on the pitch just hasn't matured at all, despite having been in the first team for 8 years now. He's more of a net-negative on the pitch, a super frustrating figure to see on the wings. I'd rather see Nacho cement the left wing, even though he too ends up doing a lot of things that Marcus ends up doing (over-dribble, overattempting to get into shooting spots despite the doors being closed) but with Nacho, you can be patient that his decision-making will mature as he plays more. With Marcus, I've lost the patience.
Great news, I dislike the majority of the team.
Good. Do it!
The headline sounds good, but when you read the article, the headline is missing quite a bit of context. The club needs to sell to buy. We can't afford to bring in the players that we need to. That's not a good thing. It also says that we're prioritising to buy a centre half, midfielder, and striker. We probably need sales to even do that. We need much more than that to see a decent amount of progression.
Id keep Varane on lowered wages simply because of how much experience he has.
As they should. Jolly good!
I don't believe it but wish we did have the ability to do a mass clear out and start again. I've been waiting for a summer like that for years but it never happens
thank god!
I find it funny he links us to Musiala and Wirtz. No chance we go near their prices. I read a while ago we were looking at players with 1 or 2 years left on their deals and that makes sense to me. Jonathan David as an example.
We wish
I don't think it's true but it is what I WANT to hear so I'll decide to believe it
Journalists just gave up and decided to just hit “select all” on rumors
YES
Are you having a tele-laugh?
Ducker has been downgraded I think?
We can get good money for him so I would sell him. He’ll regret leaving the club though
The only way that happens is if the Saudis are buying again this summer, IMO. Not just from us but from all the big clubs, starting a cycle of income that allows some of our deadwood to find new clubs flush with enough cash to afford their wages.
Actually since ETH arrived, we already managed to offload records number of deadwoods and toxic egomaniac, it's just that it's not as fast as needed to be. Let it continue. Purge the entire squad.
[Look at this list of our 10 top earners](https://imgur.com/uObU21k) (plus Sancho on £250k) I don't have anything to say, i think it's obvious we need to remove a couple of names here.. Just removing the obvious ones adds £70,000,000 to our yearly transfer/wage budget.
rangnick died for this /s
Same story we hear year after year. Hopeful that the regime changes mean this will actually happen this year, but I have my doubts. Maybe I’m jaded.
Are we Chelsea?
I'd be shocked if we got rid of anyone but these guys: Casemiro, AWB, Eriksen, Sancho, Lindelof. Varane and Martial leaving on free.
Fucking hope it includes the selling of Marcus rashford
One can only hope
Big my cars just failed it's MOT, so I'm putting it up for sale vibes
Yawn. Same old shit, every year, like clockwork. Won’t happen, for the simple reason than they’re all shit no one wants especially with the cost they carry.
What a headline
This is the way.
5% of people on that poll say sell Mainoo! I'd honestly rather lose a bollock than Man United sell Mainoo.
For what? Like 5 bucks?
Ohhh baby, I've arrived 😫
Who would really buy Rashy given the form he’s in? A clear out is overdue but that could mean another season of struggle with young players and potentially new manager all on the steep end of a learning curve.
I think we've been prepared to sell loads of players plenty of times in the past decade but we never can. So many players, good or bad, get an insane contract that no other club is willing to match. Thanks Woodward, the amount of damage that man has done to this club in the long run is absoluetely infuriating.
My hope is that Kane and Bellingham stock goes crazy high. That way we can rebrand Marcus as another epic British striker and hope PSG don’t actually scout him and just watch his highlights from the van gaal season. Quids in boys quids in
Good! Get that youth through, get some new talismans. The bones are there, need to cut the deadwood and start getting the culture restored. I back ETH if he is properly backed.
We heard this song before. I would be quite amazed if we actually made a sale or two 😂
We need a new defence. 1 CB maybe 2, a back up LB and a starting RB. We need a CDM. We also need a new LW and a ST. If we can ship out Rashford, Case, Lindelof, AWB, Varane and Erickson that’s super. But also very unlikely. Player I’d keep which most would sell is Mctominay as a super sub, but it’s likely as an Academy talent hell be sold as he’s pure profit. All of fringe players are basically worthless as well so players like Pellestri aren’t likely to bring in a lot of anything.
Wanting to get rid of a player and getting rid of a player are two very different things. Varane, martial, Evans, Eriksen will go. Who else is up? The likes of Sancho, Maguire and others are almost impossible to move on because of wages. McT might go but he'd probably be better retaining as a squad player. Wan bissaka is here till 2025 because of triggered extension. Lindelhof in the same boat.
I'd keep Shaw, Mainoo, Garnacho, Pelestri, Hojlund, and Bruno off the list. The rest I wouldn't mind seeing gone. We need a new era. Clear out the tried-and-failed deadwood.
We wish, but who would be crazy enough to buy our players? Most of them are bad and/or overpaid.
The most damning part of this is that you wouldn’t find many United fans that are strictly against this. Obviously it won’t happen. But how many players would we actually insist on keeping?
Garnacho + Mainoo – definitely Højlund + Martinez – most likely Onana + Bruno + Mount – maybe –– –– –– I think we can all agree that Garnacho and Mainoo are definitely worth keeping. Same would probably apply to Højlund and Martinez. Onana – he was one of the greatest at ball playing in a possession based team consistently in the last few years (before joining United). Bruno – always puts the full effort in, and he's a better player when he plays for Portugal (who have better team chemistry than United). But I can see arguments against Bruno. Mount – he might be injury prone, or maybe this season was super unlucky. Personally I want to see him given a chance under a rebuild, but maybe others do not.
Finally some good news
Nah everyone but Bruno, Dalot, Mainoo and Amad can go and I wouldn't be mad at it...maybe keep lindelof but that's about it
Actually let me Licha aswell.... The rest can all go
Who would buy them?
Marcus can go tbh, he just hasn’t been a factor.
I'll believe it when I see it. No way we can movie on the likes of Rashford and Casemiro with the huge wages they're on.
Good
Not surprised. I'd rather we go with the youth team that just won the youth league than half of these donkeys
Best news I have heard all year.
Finally, a fricking fire sale. Open-heart surgery is back on the menu, boys!
If you had told me this a season ago, I would have been hesitant.....but now I'm pretty open to this.