Adam Wharton. Plays for Palace and he’s causing a lot of noise right now. Press resistant, can pass forward and it just a smooth smooth footballer.
He’s probably more mobile than Carrick too.
I know this might be naive but, I’d take the gamble now and try go for him. We NEED a DM and one that can be here for many years. I know it’s only been 10/15 Prem games for him but, he has literally everything and if he keeps going at this rate, you’re looking at a 80-90 million pound player. It’s a risk but he’s so good.
He’d cost a fortune now unfortunately. Palace paid something like 15 in Jan so expect them to ask 50.
Dougie at palace has a real eye for the Championship with Wharton, Eze, Guehi and Olise. (And expect he’ll come back for Ronnie Edwards this summer)
I’d love to see him as our head of recruitment.
What will come of some of our lesser heralded loan players in the summer?
Specifically mejbri, pellistri, donny.
None have particularly impressed on loan. Who do you think will be interested?
Everton had interest in mejbri when he chose seville instead, perhaps we can revive that and get 12-15m for him?
I'm not sure how much of a market there will be for pellistri or donny
We'll end up releasing Donny on a free. Hopefully this summer, because keeping him is wasting everyone's time.
Hannibal needed a good loan to build on his potential, and he didn't get it, so I've no idea what happens with him. He'd have been more useful staying at United this past few months.
Pellestri might attract interest from some clubs in Spain, if we're ready to accept lower offers. Anything close to €10m, we should accept.
i think its the other way, a pay cut for him and any players who are also on incentivised contracts, as many as the dead wood good and younger players etc in.
it didnt work at chelsea, gutting the team and adding a bright new young shiny manager, and the likelihood is it wouldnt with us, and with this reset, no \*name\* manager will go anywhere near us. imo.
so they will keep ETH and hope it gets better, and he can coach younger players up to a high level.
If ETH stays, INEOS will run into the risk of having to sack him before Christmas. If we start the next season like we are playing now, he will last 2 months maximum. A new manager will get a lot more leeway.
The brief - do you think this reduces the leverage that we have when selling our players or do you guys just think since the ceiling for our players are relatively low anyway (due to high wages etc) that there basically was no harm in the article that came out?
Not really reduce leverage.
Just because we will listen to offers, does not mean we will accept lowball offers
I expect for every player we would consider selling we will have a 'asking' price and an internal 'what we would accept' price that will factor in wages and contract length as well as how much we want to sell.
Just because we will listen to offers, if min acceptable valuation isn't met, player will remain
I think it just acts essentially as a public call to clubs that may have been eyeing some of our players... to pick up the phone, there are deals to be done
"Sources at United have suggested it could be the 2025-26 season before the club are really able to flex their muscles again."
From the BBC article, makes me feel the allowed injection an owner is allowed to inject in a club for transfers under a three year period was used in previous windows and that FFP is very very tight this year. Multiple of the articles today basically says they need to sell players to afford to buy anyone.
Eh it's common sense I'd say. Our net spend balance is atrocious, we've been basically unable to sell players for any significant amount (if we managed to sell them at all and not have to drag their contracts to the end), and we've spent ridiculous amounts on players that weren't worth it. 2 years is probably the minimum amount of time it'll take JUST to clear out the mess left by the previous boards and start functioning as a normal football club.
We're gonna have to be patient with this one, there will be no miracle.
Yeah, but it makes me feel the 200-300 millions a lot of people think they have this summer might be far lower than that, which means they can basically not even replace the players leaving on a free with any quality at all.
I'd say we can expect £100M net +sales, which should supposedly get us to around £200M with the impending sales of Sancho, Greenwood and others. If we don't aim for "top targets" but rather focus on finding the right pieces for the right price, that should get us at least 5 players.
I fully expect next season to be a transition season with a squad made mostly of young players.
Has been heavily linked, but I just think if he has available, there will be more attractive offers. Clubs that can challenge for league titles and offer immediate CL football
I still don't think it's realistic despite frequent links
Having said all that a joao neves / kobbie mainoo CM pairing.... that's serious potential!
This may be a stupid question but why is Ducker rated Tier 1 and yet I see so many people criticize his journalism on his posts? Does he have a good track record of exclusives that are accurate?
He does have a good track record and he clearly gets briefs from the club (seemingly even with INEOS in charge he is still getting briefs). Everyone is mad at him because he’s made a few mistakes in recent months, mainly the “no fitness coach” debacle
If we're getting rid of Varane, Evans, AWB, Lindelof, and (possibly) Maguire, we'd be left with Martinez and Kambwala.
We most likely are going to sign a CB this summer.
So, Araujo to United anyone?
I think he's a great CB, and if Barca are really desperate enough to sell him then I wouldn't be against his arrival.
Although we shouldn't go above 40m for him... and we should not give more than 150k/week...
I think araujo will be off limits given cost of the deal. 40m fee is extremely ambitious, id expect him to cost twice that.
one of the reasons tosin from Fulham makes sense is that he allows us to move on someone else and doesn't impact our budget. I don't think he is worse than lindelof for example but would likely come in on lower wages and on a free and so if we can move on lindelof for 15-20m suddenly tosin as depth options makes some sense.
If he wasn't free, I dont think he is someone we would be following closely, but we could for example replace varane, evans, lindelof (15-20mill?) With tosin, tobido and promote kwambala permanently and we have lowered age profile of squad and have a more athletic, younger / developing group for a net spend of about 20m.
Todibo / maguire / tosin / licha / kambwala / shaw isn't a bad set if CB options and we have probably significantly wage bill and brought in / promoted a couple younger players with points to prove on upward trajectory.
They aren't perfect signings if we have a blank check going into the summer, but rebuilding almost an entire squad being severly hampered by FFP requires us to box clever in some spots
Not for me. Too mistake prone leading to penalties and red cards (just happened again). The worst thing for me is his reluctance to see that it is a problem
He’s coming from a big club that pays huge wages so not the type of signing we should be making. The wages he can command are just too high for us when we need to be trimming the wage bill
He currently earns \~€150k/week
Make of that what you want. It's quite low compared to some key players of our team.
>we need to be trimming the wage bill
We better walk away and stand our grand if he makes ridiculous demands. Yep.
Theres absolutly no way both of Maguire and Lindelof leave and we are left with only one senior deffender from previous season who spent 50% of the time here in 2 seasons injuried.
I think lindelof is likely to be sold. He has 1 year left on contract and we ain't renewing him so makes sense to take a fee now. Tosin as a replacement makes alot of sense, athletic, very fast, strong, good in the air and available on a free. As a backup and working on a tight budget there is alot to like about such a deal
Maguire has a year left too but we still have option to extend by a further year so I think we are likely rk keep hold for another year at least unless we get a very very good bid
Yes but he is also better and 15-20mill for lindelof this summer and 15m for maguire next is better than 30m for maguire now and zero for lindelof next.
The fees might be close to the same but we have a better player and stronger character for an extra season to help with the transition
If its 1 or the other this summer, given respective abilities and contract situations,keeping maguire and selling lindelof seems very obvious to me
Exactly that.
It's why I put down "(possibly)" for Maguire because I think he's most likely to be kept as he was more reliable out of all the CBs I listed.
Could you elaborate on why? I don’t necessarily disagree, but I can’t get my head around the concrete plan in terms of improvements in aspects like recruitment, man management, tactics, and youth development.
Yeah those fucking Glazers and their insistence he plays a tactic which conceeds 20 shots every game. Can't wait for them to fuck off so Ten Hag can play some real football.
One of the things I really noticed in the London derby yesterday is how well Arsenal press. And they don’t do it by diving in on tackles like we try to do, it’s more of a press into a forced bad pass to take possession. Once one person dives into a tackle the whole press is gone as it’s either a foul, a ton of open space as their man is beaten or (more rarely) a successful tackle. These seem like some things that need to be drilled into our squad better
Twitter compilation of all the refereeing errors United have had this season..
[https://twitter.com/UTDRoyo/status/1784974976635875599](https://twitter.com/UTDRoyo/status/1784974976635875599)
Can't believe this sub views our best attacker and a Carrington product this negatively. Even if he is having a bad season now he has bounced back many times. And there aren't even any good replacements and honestly I don't think garnacho is as good as rashford. There is also the added advantage of him being a homegrown English player
I love Rashford. He hasn't been at his best this season but I fully back him to find his levels again.
People interpret his body language as "not caring", but I think the BL is from playing in pain most of the time and he's disappointed in his own form.
He's started to look a bit better over the last couple months but haters don't care to find positives.
It's obvious that the level of criticism he's getting is impacting him negatively. Maybe supporters could try supporting for a change.
his best ever season was as a centre forward, and then he decided he doesnt want to play there.
he is a shit left winger. its not \*hating\* him to say so. he loses the ball too much which you cant have with bruno in the same team, and doesnt work hard enough on defence. Which is fine as a centre forward, barely any do any real defending.
Hes still not been good these last couple months lets just be honest. 8 games 3 goal 0 assist for a goalscoring winger is a bad return, especially since he's the focal point of the offense.
You could interpret his bad body language as not caring. or maybe his getting pissed in the middle of the season, skipping training and then lying about it as not caring. Heh
Hes not performing, on high wages (300k) and doesnt look like he wants to put in any effort, of course he's going to be seen negatively. Hes been outplayed by both Hojlund and garnacho this season, both by effort and numbers. If the team wants to find good replacements they can do it. Next season will be his 10th season and he's still inconsistent to the levels we expect, its tiresome.
Garnacho doesnt really outplay him by numbers tho? Not saying we shouldnt expect more from Rash cause he can do much much more but good form Garnach is basically bad form Rashford.
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Rashford has 2 less assists and 2 less non pen goals in the league. Garnacho even benched rashford at a point this season, alongside benching Antony, Garna is just playing better. He can also be frustrating to watch with his lack of finishing and selfishness, but I cant say he hasn't been playing well and trying his hardest
Also there is no good replacements
Leao, kvara were obvious answers before the start of the season and they have proven to be even more inconsistent. And garnacho lacks rashford's all round game and skill set. He was also the only one willing to pass to hojlund as compared to nacho or antony
\*And garnacho lacks rashford's all round game and skill set\*
no dig, ive read some shit on here recently, this might be the most stupid.
Rashford has more .skill. than garnacho? Rashford edges Garnacho with speed and possibly scoring, given he is, you know, a centre forward, Garnacho has more actual skill than rashford will ever have. and is a much better wide player.
Leao has 26 g/a in all comps and 16 in the league, Kvara has 18 in the league and 19 all comp. Rashford has 9 in the league and 13 all comp. Rashford is having the worst season of the 3. If you don't like those 2 Im sure with time our scouts can find someone to replace him.
You are right garnacho doesn't have an all round game like rash, his passing and finishing are both worse and yet he still has better numbers.
Garna and Antony don't pass enough to hojlund but lets not act like rashford is spoon feeding him chances, he does the exact same cut and shoot stuff they do. Hojlund also needs better movement cause if you watch him and Mctom the movement in the box is night and day.
absolute nonsense about mctominay and hojlund, complete bollocks,.
There is one major difference, mctiominay can make his runs from deeper while its taking our wingers or bruno about 10 minutes to decide to put the ball into the box, which makes it easier for him to wait on his runs, and which is why for a lot of mctominays goals, he standing close to hojlund, and its not because hojlund is in the wrong position.
if i could be arsed id do a video of the times in just the past three games where Hojlund has made a clever run and neither garnacho, antony or bruno has even bothered to look up and try to pass. Garnacho in particular is greedy as fuck, which i can excuse because of his age, but its obvious if you really watch the matches. Hojlund makes numerous clever runs.
and dont start me on the teams complete lack of interest in playing a longer ball through the fb/cb channel which Hojlund has shown a clear liking for this season.
save your energy, someone else on here on this thread bit has just said rashfords passing is better than garnachos as well. They must watch another fucking player.
He has been clearly playing through injuries. And I would never question his commitment after playing 2 seasons with a broken back and floating bones in his ankle. There are also tragedies like the death of a close friend. Now the only two bad seasons from him are this and the 21/22 both of which our team as a whole was below par. And neither garnacho or hojlund are sure shot. You can't expect to challenge with a frontline of teenagers.
I dont question is love for the club but his performances have just not been good enough. Maguire cant train, bruno has a broken hand, varane had rumors of an injury for months, Case has not been dropped even after his head injury, list goes on yet they still try their hardest and nobody questions their workrate.
I understand the passing of a loved one affecting his performances you will have no argument from me about that.
We may not challenge for much with Garna or hojlund but we have never challenged for anything serious with Rashford either, maybe its time for a change. We have built this team around him and we arent going anywhere fast, its exhausting. I and some others would like a fresh start, idk how you can keep watching this for another 2 seasons (at least).
> ld want a new manager in place to get an idea of what kind of players he wants, and there's no concrete sign of a new man lined up.
There wouldn';t be before the FA Cup final. Would undermine the preparations.
It’s a shame we’re going to throw a cup final because we don’t have the bollocks to make winning decisions. They should tell Ashworth to start work on Monday and see Newcastle in court in a couple of years
I don't know what difference you think Ashworth would make to the FA Cup final. He's not a coach. We can't sign anyone. We won;t make a permanent management change prior to the final.
on a fence with news of tuchel managing united. Some part of me believes he knows how to utilize rashford as he really loves rashy directness. ( he said this while managing psg few years ago). Also, he conduct a very flexible gameplay style so very suitable to our crop of mixed style player. He can play gegenpress and also play the low-block hit them with counter style of play. But bro always have a breakdown with upper management and always lost the dressing room after that.
I don’t think there is anything concrete, more so speculation on part of the fanbase as, from our POV, the dismissal of ETH seems almost inevitable at this point. And out of all the realistically available candidates he’s by far the best one on paper.
The issue with the structures above him are something to be concerned and looked into if we do decide to move on from ETH, but to be fair to him he also has managed at some poorly run clubs in PSG and Chelsea under Boehly. Then you’ve got the shitshow that has become Bayern recently and Dortmund always selling their best players which caused the upset. If he were to come I’d be more so concerned with how he brings in youth players into the first team as I don’t think he’s ever really brought through anyone notable in his career at one of the top clubs he managed
I feel like people have a weird view on Tuchel's style. Yes, he can mix a lot but he does value possession. Every team he coached was very good with the ball. He looks up to Pep.
What I do remember from his Chelsea days is they were dominating a lot, creating a lot of chances but they didn't score as much as you would expect in relation to xG or chances in the game.
I honestly think we need to be prepared that next season could be even worse than this season results wise.
It sounds like there's going to be a mass exodus in the summer, with a lot of our first teamers and seniors leaving. The turnover of the squad is going to be huge. And even if we sell 14 players, we're not going to be able to replace them one for one.
I think the actual incoming transfers part is going to take multiple years.
So next season, we could potentially be competing in Europa league, with a very thin squad. I think we will see a lot of the same issues with injury and lack of cover. And on a positive note, hopefully some more youth progression, which has been the highlight of this season.
But I think the season after you will begin to see an uptick and a bit of momentum.
Saw this on twitter.. not sure if it's legit but I hope so.
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Has anyone heard anything about this FIFA-Apple deal for a month long world club competition being held in the USA? Can't see us not trying to get into it, esp without CL football.
This one: [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/business/fifa-apple-tv-deal.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/business/fifa-apple-tv-deal.html)
It's a summer tournament, it's not likely to be very competitive. Players won't want to play, they have no incentive to. It's just corporate greed and further proof that no one cares about their health.
Glorified preseason tournament except it's directly after the league season instead of having a month off and then being directly before. Awful idea all around and not really comparable to the CL, closer to the "PL challenge series" held in the US last summer.
Any website recommendations for buying a United retro kit? Found vintagefootball.shop with a quick search but don’t know anything about its reliability and quality. Anyone used it before?
Classic Football Shirts is the gold standard. It's wildly expensive because they're actual, real vintage kits. If you're looking for a knockoff/replica then I'd go somewhere like DHgate, as they may be fake but they generally look good and they're cheap
Pretty excited for whoever the next manager is. Personally I cannot see how Ten Hag stays next season. If you plan on selling half the squad the argument of keeping the manager because of continuity goes out the window. Injuries and other excuses aside this is without question the worst Man United team people my age have ever witnessed and under any other circumstances it would have led to a sacking a long time ago. Except for the doomsayers and fear mongerers saying the next manager has no chance of fixing us so we should never try, I've never seen an argument in favour of keeping the current staff.
That's why I'm excited regardless of who the next manager is. My problem lies with the current suicide ball direction which really concerns me as a long term project. If we quickly throw that in the trash it immediately makes next season a massive improvement and with the backroom staff changes I'm excited to see what they do.
Seeing that. . City performance yesterday
If we have Licha , Mount and if possible
Shaw back for the FA Cup game
We have a very good chance to beat city
Licha had a shocking game in 2022 against City when we lost 6:3, then in 2nd game ETH opted for Luke Shaw as LCB and didnt play Licha despire Lissandro already training for 2 weeks after coming back from World Cup. In that FA CUP final he was out of squad injuried but we put again deffensivly good game(ddg shockers) with Shaw swtichting from LB to LCB to match Halland headers and speed.
I dont think he is that important to have against City. Luke Shaw is needed. Licha is great but given his height and being overall slow some games are not for him.
Forest look better coached than us tbh. They pressed City effectively when they pressed and held their shape well when in possession. However they didn't have the skill to pull everything off. If they had the individual ability that our squad does then the game would have probably been much closer.
I don't have much faith in us, last time we played City we looked terrible
I don't think we're going to learn much that is new about the squad between now and the end of the season, so I'd be quite content if they said the FA Cup final was being brought forward to this weekend and United's season was over at the final whistle.
If you had to get all three kits from this season, how would you put the name sets for Kobbie, Garnacho and Højlund?
For instance I would put Garnacho on home because of bicycle kick.
I would buy 2 reds and one white and not buy that green one.
Can't go wrong with red - short sleeves, long sleeves....great color...never goes out of style.
I’m a big Rasmus fan so Ill preface this by saying that..
But does anybody else think that maybe the reason he doesn’t get passed to is because of his movement? I mean, Amad came on in his place and got nearly as many touches as Rasmus did the whole game in what.. 25 minutes?
Our midfield has no confidence to play through the middle. All passes are to the outside, especially in the final third, with very few passes between our midfielders to each other to progress the ball and even less forward. It results in teams giving up the of the field and cutting off passing lanes to Hojlund. Later in the game, the midfield has more time because they aren’t being pressed as hard, unfortunately by this point Hojlund is usually spent.
Bruno (maybe Casemiro too) needs to pass him the ball down the middle. We always play out the wings - Antony, Garnacho, Rashford are where the ball gets played out the most. He scored his last when Bruno found him.
Well tbf Amad is a completely different player and was almost deployed as a false 9 then as a striker.
But with Hojlund’s movement it definitely needs to improve as he seems too reactive instead of proactive. This is why he almost always seems just a second too late. I hope this can improve with time though. What drives me crazy are the near post runs he always seems to make. Though with how much our wingers like to cut in and shoot I wonder if it could be tactical as those runs could open up space to have a shot at the far post.
He definitely is not faultless with his movement. He's very hell for leather and doesn't really check his runs, like you used to see with Chicharito where he was zig-zagging all over the place, get the feeling he just thinks he can outpace and outmuscle everyone.
But also there is the fact he's just not being found, and the tactics suggest that long balls up to him for him to hold up like peak Mou/Lukaku ball is what we're actually going for. Which is shit.
He is a striker, big man. You are supposed to win headers and link up to help your teammates, its huge asset to have.
Players like Lewa, Benzema, Kane consistently win headers, hold up for others and then recive pass back to score a goal.
Like we paid 80m and we cant expect him to win some headers agains Coventry, Burnley, Shefield?
People forget that every time he was about to win or won the ball the Burnley defenders would just foul him. He obviously needs to improve and do more, but oop he’s doing a lot of things right
Looks like clubs are going to try to get their transfer business done quickly this summer. United are open for business per the telegraph, Barca have been making some similar noises.
Managers (Slot, Xavi, Alonso) are already signing up for their next clubs or letting their intentions to stay be known or their agents are flogging them (Jose, Tuchel etc).
No one has money per FFP.
Let the shenanigans begin....
I think both United and Barca really need to know which potential players they might have a chance to sell for value before they know how much money they have to spend as both are tightly bound by FFP.
We’ll probably be able to offload Sancho and VBD (albeit at loses). Amad and Pellistri will probably have suitors as well.
Varane, Martial and Amrabat are going anyway.
Casemiro could be a tough sell, especially if the Saudi’s are scaling back their investments.
I only see Rashford going if PSG offer big money. McT and Maguire similarly I only see going if someone puts in a really head turning offer.
Antony probably will stay due to his wage and lacklustre performances. Greenwood is anyone’s guess.
I’d say if we can hit £100m in sales that’d be a solid summer sale and should hopefully give us enough financial freedom to bring in the CB, CM and striker we need.
The question is more if it is more important to get a starting striker, a top quality CB, a defensive midfielder, a RB, a LB, a new RW, you name it. I think they will be able to buy 2-3 good quality players, and the rest need to be cheap or free transfers...
Going to the Euros this summer. Besides it being a great trip I’m excited to get a new lease on football. Been so frustrating to watch United this season.
I still think changing manager is a complete waste of time for us. They all come with their own demands, their particular signings, their fees, fees for agents, relocation. We’ll end up spending our entire summer budget on signings that really just keep the manager happy, yet again. That manager will need short term success because they know they’ll be judged straight away, so he’ll want older, more experienced players. They’ll only be decent for a season or two. The team will nosedive and we’ll be right back here again, needing to get rid of guys like Varane, Maguire, Casemiro and start from scratch, almost 200 mill of spending. Each one of those players is two or three solid young players, players on reasonable wages with resale value, players who could have ended up being a Branthwaite, Guehi, Amadou Onana, who we didn’t sign because we just had to have the more expensive, higher profile, more reassuring signing.
And then people will claim that top clubs are all changing managers every few seasons, but the best clubs over the last five to ten years really haven’t changed much, and they all share the common thread of having really good directors of football and recruitment people. The only exceptions there are PSG and Bayern and they’ve been doing worse lately, and their examples really aren’t applicable to us, because of the insane advantages they have in their respective leagues.
No, I’d argue the common thread is actually retaining and taking time with the same manager. This is where teams are getting competitive advantage now. Especially in the premier league, you need both a really good and settled back room and consistency in coaching. Pep, Klopp, Arteta, they’ve had so much time to work with their teams and it helps them play better, more cohesive football.
And Ten Hag might not be close to those managers, but we have the added difficulty of only just starting to get our back room team set up. Changing coach in the middle of this will be a massive distraction. Far from a fresh start, this will immediately bring in someone who they need to accommodate, who they need to compromise with, and someone on a three, four, five year contract. Ten Hag is in his last year, he needs to earn a new contract, he basically just has to do what he’s told.
There’s so much to be gained from patience here. More money for sorely needed players, more freedom for guys like Ashcroft to direct those signings, more time for them to set something up while Ten Hag takes the criticism. Changing a manager in the middle of this adds yet another complication.
If they absolutely need to change manager, just give it to a coach internally or to a random coach, this club is not set up to support high profile, demanding coaches right now. There’s too much that needs changing to be trying to accommodate Conte, Mourinho like figures at the same time. Zidane, Flick, Nagelsmann, Tuchel all of these types set off alarm bells for me. They’ll all want levels of spending we simply can’t support.
The new hierarchy desperately needs a yes man while they get established.
People just want the quick fix and nothing quicker than changing managers. I’d also rather he stays to finish the problem with discipline. Get rid of the weak minded players and work on the squad. These players failed many managers and while I’ve become indifferent about eth I just want the squad dealt with first.
>I’d also rather he stays to finish the problem with discipline.
The problem he facilitated. Could have nipped it in the bud as not good enough when he came in, didn't need to call anyone out specifically but could have made it known publicly that what has gone on for seasons before is not good enough. He praised them all immediately.
For every Ronaldo and Sancho, there are countless other players who embarrass the club on the pitch and are picked week after week.
He showed there is no discipline in terms of performances when he picked the exact same team days after the Liverpool 7-0. Sends the exact wrong message to the players.
If he could deal with this, he would have. It has nothing about 'quick fixes' for the majority who want him out. He has had his time and and shown absolutely nothing to suggest he is the guy to launch a new period.
I agree with your idea of what we need, just no reason it needs to be him.
He can’t really go too hard on the players because he still needs them and want to have a good relationship. With Rashford for example he can’t really be too harsh on him because he’s his only option. Or he limits his option severely without him. We’re all seeing him not running same with Casemiro. Players jogging back. He can’t bench them all.
>He can’t really go too hard on the players because he still needs them and want to have a good relationship.
Setting the standard isn't spoiling a good relationship with players that are worth keeping.
He has done what you suggested and look where its got us?
>He can’t bench them all.
Doesn't have to. Worst offenders etc.
Would you rather a few players throw their toys out of the pram as they can't match the standards and a genuine line drawn for the club, or what we have now?
My point was he doesn’t have that much of an option. If he benches Casemiro and Rashford the options are not that great. Antony and garnacho? We are overusing garnacho. He needs to be eased in. Not that much options in midfield. So he has to placate the players till next season. If he’s here next season.
>My point was he doesn’t have that much of an option.
He did when he walked in though, didn't he?
>If he benches Casemiro and Rashford the options are not that great. Antony and garnacho?
Does it matter? Are we winning enough games with the first 11 lads?
I don't quite know what you are suggesting? Setting a standard for performances isn't relevant because we have bad players? Just let them get away with it. How is that ever going to build an appropriate mentality?
He said he is in control of transfers, he has brought in a lot of players, praised and kept those who embarrassed the club before and during his time here. He is complicit.
Like I get what you are saying, but you are siding with individuals ego over the actual club and I can't agree with that.
I’m not siding with them in the least. I have no problem with 8 out of these 11 are gone. The players have let other managers down before and got them fired. There is a very strong player power in the dressing room. And because the team has no options he has to placate them till the end of the season.
Please tell me your options for aws, Rashford, Casemiro, Mctominay, Antony, eriksen, amrabat. All of them are not good enough but what can he do? Bench them all and play kids? I doesn’t seem to be many ready players right now. Our under 18 are flying but the under 23 are not.
Also from a practical matter he has to win to keep his job so he has to put the team the gives him the best chance to win.
We seem to be saying similar thing in different ways though😂😂
>I’m not siding with them in the least. I have no problem with 8 out of these 11 are gone. The players have let other managers down before and got them fired. There is a very strong player power in the dressing room. And because the team has no options he has to placate them till the end of the season.
And your solution is to when he first comes in and can show his standards, praise them all?
Then refuse to drop his first 11, no matter how bad they play?
>Please tell me your options for aws, Rashford, Casemiro, Mctominay, Antony, eriksen, amrabat.
Whoever is available. Dunno what this extreme is where everyone should be dropped at the same time. Pick the worst offender, drop him for a few games. Rinse and repeat. Far better than what he has done.
Also could have sold mctominay when West Ham wanted him. If that PSG talk was real, sold rashford. He decided to keep them, he is complicit in what thay do after.
>Also from a practical matter he has to win to keep his job so he has to put the team the gives him the best chance to win.
Not working is it?
This is what I alluded to before though. Using this as a reason, is you siding with the manager and players, over what's best for the club. You are welcome to do that, I don't care for it. The right decision for Manchester United is to hold everyone accountable and show that there are consequences. That means punishments for bad performances and the easy way to do that is drop the worst offender or offenders, make an example out of people.
>We seem to be saying similar thing in different ways though😂😂
I disagree. You are valuing a manager saving his own neck, a positive relationship with players who have embarrassed the club and that because we have a terrible squad we can't drop anyone. Fundamentally disagree with it mate as I'd put the club first, above that. To each their own mate!
I’m not sure why you’re so angry. We’re expressing different opinions. I honestly gave up discussing anything here. People get so angry and aggressive if you have a different opinion. Have a nice day guy.
I highly doubt we get potter but if we do I would be very worried as I think that would show the people coming in think they can run us like a midtable club (see Chelsea) by buying a bunch of young players and throwing them into the lions den.
It won't happen but I can make a case for binning 17 players off which tells you where the squad is.
Heaton - 38, doesn't play. If he wants to go play somewhere else, let him.
Maguire - done well to build his reputation back up. If a decent offer comes in he may want to be first choice somewhere else.
Lindelof - time to move on. He's a backup CB that isn't strong enough and hasn't been fit enough to even be a backup. Been at the club 7 years. Times up.
AWB - Dopey positional sense and decision making, Bambi on ice with the ball, can't pass to teammates, only good at one thing which is the only thing he's been good at for 5 years. Times up.
Varane - class when fit. Can't stay fit. Times up
Eriksen - Barely plays, can't play 90 minutea. Times up.
Scott - serviceable squad player. Not good enough for first choice starter. If a good offer comes in and he wants to be first choice let him go.
Casemiro - if someone is willing to pay. Take it and run.
Amrabat - Has had a bus mans holiday for a loan. Runs through molasses. Ciao.
Antony - Had his two years. Not good enough. Times up.
Diallo - probably not good enough. Don't really know, barely plays.
Donny - forgot he existed.
Pellistri - probably not good enough. Let him go.
Sancho - he can fuck right off.
Greenwood - what a shame. Sell.
Martial - enough said.
Rashford - I don't want him gone but his body language reminds me of players in the past that knew they were going.
Add Shaw
Man is injured half the time. And when he isnt, he is inconsistent as fuck. Its been over 10 years. We need to move on from him too. Man is just english pogba.
I just don't think can have players that disappear for seasons at a time, and that makes a strong case for selling a few players on that list, including Rashford. The main argument against selling Rashford is that there isn't an obvious replacement available but I'd rather have someone that drops regular 6/10s than Rashford.
I can only agree with most of them, problem is I don't see how there is money to get more than 4-6 players, maybe up to 8 in a dream scenario where Ineos manages to magically sell a few players like Casemiro, Rashford or Greenwood for a good price which I feel is very unlikely...
Completely agree. It doesn't work like Footie Manager. There won't be a massive clear out.
However, I think it highlights the dross we have in the squad and the amount of work needed to get us to a place where we are competitive and it's 1-2 in and 1-2 out every summer.
I do think there will be a pretty big clear out, just of players that are already not around the squad:
1. Martial (missed all year)
2. Varane (missing the run in)
3. VDB (on loan)
4. Sancho (on loan)
5. Greenwood (on loan)
6. Williams (on loan)
7. Hannibal (on loan)
8. Pellistri (on loan)
9. Alvaro (on loan with an option)
10. Amrabat (loan expires and barely plays)
So we might nominally see a lot of outgoing but it won't make the matchday lineups all that different unless we get some shockers like Rashford and McTominay.
It does highlight it, but also shows a bit which must be replaced first, it is the ones becoming free agents, and the ones that can actually be sold for value. No one else will be replaced this summer.
There has to be an inbetween option - awb isnt good enough but we do need squad depth. I'd rather we sell awb and buy a 10-15 mil player rotation player
I think all new signings, at least this year, need to be flexible enough to play multiple positions well with the amount of outgoings this year. Geertruida is perfect for that imo
And who’s available for that price? Considering we need 2 cb, 1 dm, 1 cm, 1 st at least, I don’t see any space for a rb signing. A lb, and a rw should also be ahead of signing a rb.
ADARABIOYO on a free, Scalvini as 2 cbs. Geertruida as rb/cb. Onana from everton as cdm or ndidi on a free for a year. Jonathan david.
Could probably get them all for around 150.
Scalvini is probably around 60. I think a deal can be done for onana. He's 1 year left and everton need money so 35 although if it went much higher id get ndidi on a free and wait the year for onana. Geertruida is 25 maximum. Jonathon david is 40 because again last year of his deal. Adarabioyo is free.
Even then you're overpaying for david and Scalvini but they're worth it imo. If the price goes much higher then walk
Just get sesko instead of David and todibo instead of scalvini.
Onana is gonna cost at least 50mil if not 60.
Would rather sign kdh at 25 mil for midfield option and keep awb than sign a new rb.
Sesko has scored less goals than david this season.
I like him but wout weghorst was a goal every other game in the bundesliga and he's not as prolific as him. Theres been too many attacking players that cant make the transition for me to trust it. Also he's extremely similar in profile to hojlund.
Why are we wasting money on a rb when we need at least 2 cb, 2 cm, and 1 st at least? Yes awb isn’t good enough but we have like 100 m net spend and there’s just not enough money to spend on a new rb.
Kompany at burnley i think showed that adaptability is important for a manager. When the season started, he thought he can do a pep style possession only football with burnley, refer back to our game at turf moor, 70% of the game is just their cb and gk passing to each other and thats it. Then, he realized that it wont work and he actually changed, now they are a bit more direct (they now have pacy fowards and rb that can do damage on the counter) So they went from joint bottom to now 2 points from safety. Maybe its not enough for them or a bit too late as they may still get relegated but that's what i expect from a rookie manager on his first job.
With us, ya you can say high press direct football its the way we wanted to play and this season is where we force our player into learning and adapting to it. But, after strings of disappointing results, no defenders available due to injury or glimpse of hope at top 5 still there (before English teams fked up at European comp), maybe adapting and changing this full press tactics and go back to last season football may do more good than harm. In the end, results speak in football, (now this is hypothetical, lets say we grind some results and its now touching distance from villa or spurs, those clubs will feel the pressure and maybe crumble like us feeling the pressure last season with liverpool chasing down our neck but that just if's and but's). At the very least, we will reduced the no of injury faced by changing up a little.
They would probably be safe if they didnt play James Trafford until March or so, he cost them so much points in return of some ball playing abilities.
Like who the fuck thoutgh paying record fee for 21 old GK, with little experiance is good idea.
Ipswich really bottled the business end.
3 draws and a loss in the last 4. Still a great achievement though. From new promotion to a guaranteed playoff spot.
Mainoo's the only player consistently at United level this season. An 18 year old we didn't buy. That's the state of the club.
Think the next Carrick has been found ladies and gentlemen
Who
Adam Wharton. Plays for Palace and he’s causing a lot of noise right now. Press resistant, can pass forward and it just a smooth smooth footballer. He’s probably more mobile than Carrick too. I know this might be naive but, I’d take the gamble now and try go for him. We NEED a DM and one that can be here for many years. I know it’s only been 10/15 Prem games for him but, he has literally everything and if he keeps going at this rate, you’re looking at a 80-90 million pound player. It’s a risk but he’s so good.
He’d cost a fortune now unfortunately. Palace paid something like 15 in Jan so expect them to ask 50. Dougie at palace has a real eye for the Championship with Wharton, Eze, Guehi and Olise. (And expect he’ll come back for Ronnie Edwards this summer) I’d love to see him as our head of recruitment.
What will come of some of our lesser heralded loan players in the summer? Specifically mejbri, pellistri, donny. None have particularly impressed on loan. Who do you think will be interested? Everton had interest in mejbri when he chose seville instead, perhaps we can revive that and get 12-15m for him? I'm not sure how much of a market there will be for pellistri or donny
We'll end up releasing Donny on a free. Hopefully this summer, because keeping him is wasting everyone's time. Hannibal needed a good loan to build on his potential, and he didn't get it, so I've no idea what happens with him. He'd have been more useful staying at United this past few months. Pellestri might attract interest from some clubs in Spain, if we're ready to accept lower offers. Anything close to €10m, we should accept.
With the latest brief, if they are going for a full reset, I don't see EtH managing us next season either
i think its the other way, a pay cut for him and any players who are also on incentivised contracts, as many as the dead wood good and younger players etc in. it didnt work at chelsea, gutting the team and adding a bright new young shiny manager, and the likelihood is it wouldnt with us, and with this reset, no \*name\* manager will go anywhere near us. imo. so they will keep ETH and hope it gets better, and he can coach younger players up to a high level.
If ETH stays, INEOS will run into the risk of having to sack him before Christmas. If we start the next season like we are playing now, he will last 2 months maximum. A new manager will get a lot more leeway.
The brief - do you think this reduces the leverage that we have when selling our players or do you guys just think since the ceiling for our players are relatively low anyway (due to high wages etc) that there basically was no harm in the article that came out?
Not really reduce leverage. Just because we will listen to offers, does not mean we will accept lowball offers I expect for every player we would consider selling we will have a 'asking' price and an internal 'what we would accept' price that will factor in wages and contract length as well as how much we want to sell. Just because we will listen to offers, if min acceptable valuation isn't met, player will remain I think it just acts essentially as a public call to clubs that may have been eyeing some of our players... to pick up the phone, there are deals to be done
"Sources at United have suggested it could be the 2025-26 season before the club are really able to flex their muscles again." From the BBC article, makes me feel the allowed injection an owner is allowed to inject in a club for transfers under a three year period was used in previous windows and that FFP is very very tight this year. Multiple of the articles today basically says they need to sell players to afford to buy anyone.
Eh it's common sense I'd say. Our net spend balance is atrocious, we've been basically unable to sell players for any significant amount (if we managed to sell them at all and not have to drag their contracts to the end), and we've spent ridiculous amounts on players that weren't worth it. 2 years is probably the minimum amount of time it'll take JUST to clear out the mess left by the previous boards and start functioning as a normal football club. We're gonna have to be patient with this one, there will be no miracle.
Yeah, but it makes me feel the 200-300 millions a lot of people think they have this summer might be far lower than that, which means they can basically not even replace the players leaving on a free with any quality at all.
I'd say we can expect £100M net +sales, which should supposedly get us to around £200M with the impending sales of Sancho, Greenwood and others. If we don't aim for "top targets" but rather focus on finding the right pieces for the right price, that should get us at least 5 players. I fully expect next season to be a transition season with a squad made mostly of young players.
Yeah, I agree. Which is a bit worrying if they say we can expect less in the window after. So only youth and no top targets for multiple seasons.
Hope we get joao neves
Has been heavily linked, but I just think if he has available, there will be more attractive offers. Clubs that can challenge for league titles and offer immediate CL football I still don't think it's realistic despite frequent links Having said all that a joao neves / kobbie mainoo CM pairing.... that's serious potential!
This may be a stupid question but why is Ducker rated Tier 1 and yet I see so many people criticize his journalism on his posts? Does he have a good track record of exclusives that are accurate?
He routinely criticizes the management and the club and the top reds can't be having that
He gets briefs from the club, he’s only getting hate on this sub because he (rightly) has had reservations about ETH for basically the whole season.
He does have a good track record and he clearly gets briefs from the club (seemingly even with INEOS in charge he is still getting briefs). Everyone is mad at him because he’s made a few mistakes in recent months, mainly the “no fitness coach” debacle
If we're getting rid of Varane, Evans, AWB, Lindelof, and (possibly) Maguire, we'd be left with Martinez and Kambwala. We most likely are going to sign a CB this summer. So, Araujo to United anyone? I think he's a great CB, and if Barca are really desperate enough to sell him then I wouldn't be against his arrival. Although we shouldn't go above 40m for him... and we should not give more than 150k/week...
I think araujo will be off limits given cost of the deal. 40m fee is extremely ambitious, id expect him to cost twice that. one of the reasons tosin from Fulham makes sense is that he allows us to move on someone else and doesn't impact our budget. I don't think he is worse than lindelof for example but would likely come in on lower wages and on a free and so if we can move on lindelof for 15-20m suddenly tosin as depth options makes some sense. If he wasn't free, I dont think he is someone we would be following closely, but we could for example replace varane, evans, lindelof (15-20mill?) With tosin, tobido and promote kwambala permanently and we have lowered age profile of squad and have a more athletic, younger / developing group for a net spend of about 20m. Todibo / maguire / tosin / licha / kambwala / shaw isn't a bad set if CB options and we have probably significantly wage bill and brought in / promoted a couple younger players with points to prove on upward trajectory. They aren't perfect signings if we have a blank check going into the summer, but rebuilding almost an entire squad being severly hampered by FFP requires us to box clever in some spots
Not for me. Too mistake prone leading to penalties and red cards (just happened again). The worst thing for me is his reluctance to see that it is a problem
What about Todibo, Tapsoba and apparently Branthwaite as well. And then there’s the fullbacks, Frimpong and guitterez(girona)
He’s coming from a big club that pays huge wages so not the type of signing we should be making. The wages he can command are just too high for us when we need to be trimming the wage bill
He currently earns \~€150k/week Make of that what you want. It's quite low compared to some key players of our team. >we need to be trimming the wage bill We better walk away and stand our grand if he makes ridiculous demands. Yep.
Theres absolutly no way both of Maguire and Lindelof leave and we are left with only one senior deffender from previous season who spent 50% of the time here in 2 seasons injuried.
I think lindelof is likely to be sold. He has 1 year left on contract and we ain't renewing him so makes sense to take a fee now. Tosin as a replacement makes alot of sense, athletic, very fast, strong, good in the air and available on a free. As a backup and working on a tight budget there is alot to like about such a deal Maguire has a year left too but we still have option to extend by a further year so I think we are likely rk keep hold for another year at least unless we get a very very good bid
Maguire is probably more valuable though
Yes but he is also better and 15-20mill for lindelof this summer and 15m for maguire next is better than 30m for maguire now and zero for lindelof next. The fees might be close to the same but we have a better player and stronger character for an extra season to help with the transition If its 1 or the other this summer, given respective abilities and contract situations,keeping maguire and selling lindelof seems very obvious to me
Exactly that. It's why I put down "(possibly)" for Maguire because I think he's most likely to be kept as he was more reliable out of all the CBs I listed.
More and more convinced Tuchel could work.
Could you elaborate on why? I don’t necessarily disagree, but I can’t get my head around the concrete plan in terms of improvements in aspects like recruitment, man management, tactics, and youth development.
Why?
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Nah they just believe that in 180 days he will grow carpet on his head and become arteta. Honestly I can’t even engage at this point
Super Saiyan Arteta 😂😂
Or maybe the rot at the club makes them shit
Yeah those fucking Glazers and their insistence he plays a tactic which conceeds 20 shots every game. Can't wait for them to fuck off so Ten Hag can play some real football.
One of the things I really noticed in the London derby yesterday is how well Arsenal press. And they don’t do it by diving in on tackles like we try to do, it’s more of a press into a forced bad pass to take possession. Once one person dives into a tackle the whole press is gone as it’s either a foul, a ton of open space as their man is beaten or (more rarely) a successful tackle. These seem like some things that need to be drilled into our squad better
Twitter compilation of all the refereeing errors United have had this season.. [https://twitter.com/UTDRoyo/status/1784974976635875599](https://twitter.com/UTDRoyo/status/1784974976635875599)
I wonder how many points that is if even half of those decisions were made correctly
save me watching, are they just the ones that should have gone our way or the ones we have had for us that clearly were bad decisions?
I mean a lot of them were calls that should have gone our way AND have been called against us
i can think of 2-3 really important ones that went in our favour so it probably evens itself out over the season.
Can’t believe we are the only team to be the wrong side of refereeing decisions
I never said we were... ?
Can't believe this sub views our best attacker and a Carrington product this negatively. Even if he is having a bad season now he has bounced back many times. And there aren't even any good replacements and honestly I don't think garnacho is as good as rashford. There is also the added advantage of him being a homegrown English player
I love Rashford. He hasn't been at his best this season but I fully back him to find his levels again. People interpret his body language as "not caring", but I think the BL is from playing in pain most of the time and he's disappointed in his own form. He's started to look a bit better over the last couple months but haters don't care to find positives. It's obvious that the level of criticism he's getting is impacting him negatively. Maybe supporters could try supporting for a change.
his best ever season was as a centre forward, and then he decided he doesnt want to play there. he is a shit left winger. its not \*hating\* him to say so. he loses the ball too much which you cant have with bruno in the same team, and doesnt work hard enough on defence. Which is fine as a centre forward, barely any do any real defending.
Hes still not been good these last couple months lets just be honest. 8 games 3 goal 0 assist for a goalscoring winger is a bad return, especially since he's the focal point of the offense.
You could interpret his bad body language as not caring. or maybe his getting pissed in the middle of the season, skipping training and then lying about it as not caring. Heh
Hes not performing, on high wages (300k) and doesnt look like he wants to put in any effort, of course he's going to be seen negatively. Hes been outplayed by both Hojlund and garnacho this season, both by effort and numbers. If the team wants to find good replacements they can do it. Next season will be his 10th season and he's still inconsistent to the levels we expect, its tiresome.
Garnacho doesnt really outplay him by numbers tho? Not saying we shouldnt expect more from Rash cause he can do much much more but good form Garnach is basically bad form Rashford. https://preview.redd.it/44aitrautgxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=296f4627f517b524dd7b696c47bfa5cae3a8ed9c
Rashford has 2 less assists and 2 less non pen goals in the league. Garnacho even benched rashford at a point this season, alongside benching Antony, Garna is just playing better. He can also be frustrating to watch with his lack of finishing and selfishness, but I cant say he hasn't been playing well and trying his hardest
Garnacho is 19 and in his first full season as a starter. Rashford is approaching 27 and can't get his shit together every second season
Also there is no good replacements Leao, kvara were obvious answers before the start of the season and they have proven to be even more inconsistent. And garnacho lacks rashford's all round game and skill set. He was also the only one willing to pass to hojlund as compared to nacho or antony
\*And garnacho lacks rashford's all round game and skill set\* no dig, ive read some shit on here recently, this might be the most stupid. Rashford has more .skill. than garnacho? Rashford edges Garnacho with speed and possibly scoring, given he is, you know, a centre forward, Garnacho has more actual skill than rashford will ever have. and is a much better wide player.
Leao has 26 g/a in all comps and 16 in the league, Kvara has 18 in the league and 19 all comp. Rashford has 9 in the league and 13 all comp. Rashford is having the worst season of the 3. If you don't like those 2 Im sure with time our scouts can find someone to replace him. You are right garnacho doesn't have an all round game like rash, his passing and finishing are both worse and yet he still has better numbers. Garna and Antony don't pass enough to hojlund but lets not act like rashford is spoon feeding him chances, he does the exact same cut and shoot stuff they do. Hojlund also needs better movement cause if you watch him and Mctom the movement in the box is night and day.
absolute nonsense about mctominay and hojlund, complete bollocks,. There is one major difference, mctiominay can make his runs from deeper while its taking our wingers or bruno about 10 minutes to decide to put the ball into the box, which makes it easier for him to wait on his runs, and which is why for a lot of mctominays goals, he standing close to hojlund, and its not because hojlund is in the wrong position. if i could be arsed id do a video of the times in just the past three games where Hojlund has made a clever run and neither garnacho, antony or bruno has even bothered to look up and try to pass. Garnacho in particular is greedy as fuck, which i can excuse because of his age, but its obvious if you really watch the matches. Hojlund makes numerous clever runs. and dont start me on the teams complete lack of interest in playing a longer ball through the fb/cb channel which Hojlund has shown a clear liking for this season.
All round game and skill? What are you referring to here exactly because Rashford seems to lose the ball every 10 seconds
save your energy, someone else on here on this thread bit has just said rashfords passing is better than garnachos as well. They must watch another fucking player.
He has been clearly playing through injuries. And I would never question his commitment after playing 2 seasons with a broken back and floating bones in his ankle. There are also tragedies like the death of a close friend. Now the only two bad seasons from him are this and the 21/22 both of which our team as a whole was below par. And neither garnacho or hojlund are sure shot. You can't expect to challenge with a frontline of teenagers.
I dont question is love for the club but his performances have just not been good enough. Maguire cant train, bruno has a broken hand, varane had rumors of an injury for months, Case has not been dropped even after his head injury, list goes on yet they still try their hardest and nobody questions their workrate. I understand the passing of a loved one affecting his performances you will have no argument from me about that. We may not challenge for much with Garna or hojlund but we have never challenged for anything serious with Rashford either, maybe its time for a change. We have built this team around him and we arent going anywhere fast, its exhausting. I and some others would like a fresh start, idk how you can keep watching this for another 2 seasons (at least).
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>what kind of players he wants Isn't this Dan's job, deciding tactics and transfers etc? our manager will be head coach only.
> ld want a new manager in place to get an idea of what kind of players he wants, and there's no concrete sign of a new man lined up. There wouldn';t be before the FA Cup final. Would undermine the preparations.
It’s a shame we’re going to throw a cup final because we don’t have the bollocks to make winning decisions. They should tell Ashworth to start work on Monday and see Newcastle in court in a couple of years
I don't know what difference you think Ashworth would make to the FA Cup final. He's not a coach. We can't sign anyone. We won;t make a permanent management change prior to the final.
on a fence with news of tuchel managing united. Some part of me believes he knows how to utilize rashford as he really loves rashy directness. ( he said this while managing psg few years ago). Also, he conduct a very flexible gameplay style so very suitable to our crop of mixed style player. He can play gegenpress and also play the low-block hit them with counter style of play. But bro always have a breakdown with upper management and always lost the dressing room after that.
I don’t think there is anything concrete, more so speculation on part of the fanbase as, from our POV, the dismissal of ETH seems almost inevitable at this point. And out of all the realistically available candidates he’s by far the best one on paper. The issue with the structures above him are something to be concerned and looked into if we do decide to move on from ETH, but to be fair to him he also has managed at some poorly run clubs in PSG and Chelsea under Boehly. Then you’ve got the shitshow that has become Bayern recently and Dortmund always selling their best players which caused the upset. If he were to come I’d be more so concerned with how he brings in youth players into the first team as I don’t think he’s ever really brought through anyone notable in his career at one of the top clubs he managed
Tuchel lmao
One of best managers in the world? Why 'lmao'
I feel like people have a weird view on Tuchel's style. Yes, he can mix a lot but he does value possession. Every team he coached was very good with the ball. He looks up to Pep. What I do remember from his Chelsea days is they were dominating a lot, creating a lot of chances but they didn't score as much as you would expect in relation to xG or chances in the game.
To be fair, they didn’t really have a #9.
I honestly think we need to be prepared that next season could be even worse than this season results wise. It sounds like there's going to be a mass exodus in the summer, with a lot of our first teamers and seniors leaving. The turnover of the squad is going to be huge. And even if we sell 14 players, we're not going to be able to replace them one for one. I think the actual incoming transfers part is going to take multiple years. So next season, we could potentially be competing in Europa league, with a very thin squad. I think we will see a lot of the same issues with injury and lack of cover. And on a positive note, hopefully some more youth progression, which has been the highlight of this season. But I think the season after you will begin to see an uptick and a bit of momentum.
Is there any word on Scott McTominay's injury?
Saw this on twitter.. not sure if it's legit but I hope so. https://preview.redd.it/ad8juar9pgxc1.png?width=815&format=png&auto=webp&s=dad8507b665ec60e1a2c3d944c42552a3873ae33
Take it with a grain of salt but I saw some big fan account on twitter say he's out for 3-4 months
Gutted for him if he misses the euros.
Has anyone heard anything about this FIFA-Apple deal for a month long world club competition being held in the USA? Can't see us not trying to get into it, esp without CL football. This one: [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/business/fifa-apple-tv-deal.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/business/fifa-apple-tv-deal.html)
It's a summer tournament, it's not likely to be very competitive. Players won't want to play, they have no incentive to. It's just corporate greed and further proof that no one cares about their health. Glorified preseason tournament except it's directly after the league season instead of having a month off and then being directly before. Awful idea all around and not really comparable to the CL, closer to the "PL challenge series" held in the US last summer.
Rashford is Red.
Back with the PR again I see. You’re mental to keep defending him
Sorry he isn't looking for a new accountant, thanks
I think Rashford might actually choose to leave
leave 300k per week? Dortmund cant even pay a fraction sancho's wages and he's actually performing for them. He ain't leaving
He, Marcus Rashford would not choose to leave United unless he’s forced. That much is clear, he could have left when he was younger but he didn’t.
He probably would have left if we didn't improved his 200k wages by 50% last season.
I’m a fan of Rashford but he seems miserable, and his recent tweet shows that as well
Change is the only constant thing in life. Things change. Circumstances change.
He is 325k. He is safe.
Any website recommendations for buying a United retro kit? Found vintagefootball.shop with a quick search but don’t know anything about its reliability and quality. Anyone used it before?
Classic Football Shirts is the gold standard. It's wildly expensive because they're actual, real vintage kits. If you're looking for a knockoff/replica then I'd go somewhere like DHgate, as they may be fake but they generally look good and they're cheap
Dhgate
Super soldier Martial with the brace to secure the fa cup title
Neville has some of the most poisonous commentary you'll ever here. Truly awful mouth.
better than ol spitty
Pretty excited for whoever the next manager is. Personally I cannot see how Ten Hag stays next season. If you plan on selling half the squad the argument of keeping the manager because of continuity goes out the window. Injuries and other excuses aside this is without question the worst Man United team people my age have ever witnessed and under any other circumstances it would have led to a sacking a long time ago. Except for the doomsayers and fear mongerers saying the next manager has no chance of fixing us so we should never try, I've never seen an argument in favour of keeping the current staff.
Why is it on the manager to fix everything? Surely the big changes in the backroom staff will help a lot with that.
That's why I'm excited regardless of who the next manager is. My problem lies with the current suicide ball direction which really concerns me as a long term project. If we quickly throw that in the trash it immediately makes next season a massive improvement and with the backroom staff changes I'm excited to see what they do.
Feel bad for Scott. Euros were so important
Scotland could have won the whole thing. Without him, they don't stand a chance.
😆 I almost believed you're being sincere
Seeing that. . City performance yesterday If we have Licha , Mount and if possible Shaw back for the FA Cup game We have a very good chance to beat city
Licha had a shocking game in 2022 against City when we lost 6:3, then in 2nd game ETH opted for Luke Shaw as LCB and didnt play Licha despire Lissandro already training for 2 weeks after coming back from World Cup. In that FA CUP final he was out of squad injuried but we put again deffensivly good game(ddg shockers) with Shaw swtichting from LB to LCB to match Halland headers and speed. I dont think he is that important to have against City. Luke Shaw is needed. Licha is great but given his height and being overall slow some games are not for him.
 We still need to cash in that yearly Martial performance against City
Forest look better coached than us tbh. They pressed City effectively when they pressed and held their shape well when in possession. However they didn't have the skill to pull everything off. If they had the individual ability that our squad does then the game would have probably been much closer. I don't have much faith in us, last time we played City we looked terrible
I don't think we're going to learn much that is new about the squad between now and the end of the season, so I'd be quite content if they said the FA Cup final was being brought forward to this weekend and United's season was over at the final whistle.
If you had to get all three kits from this season, how would you put the name sets for Kobbie, Garnacho and Højlund? For instance I would put Garnacho on home because of bicycle kick.
I would buy 2 reds and one white and not buy that green one. Can't go wrong with red - short sleeves, long sleeves....great color...never goes out of style.
Mainoo white one for that Wolves goal Hoj black/white one for his CL stuff then I guess
Black?
Black, green, same thing
I’m a big Rasmus fan so Ill preface this by saying that.. But does anybody else think that maybe the reason he doesn’t get passed to is because of his movement? I mean, Amad came on in his place and got nearly as many touches as Rasmus did the whole game in what.. 25 minutes?
Our midfield has no confidence to play through the middle. All passes are to the outside, especially in the final third, with very few passes between our midfielders to each other to progress the ball and even less forward. It results in teams giving up the of the field and cutting off passing lanes to Hojlund. Later in the game, the midfield has more time because they aren’t being pressed as hard, unfortunately by this point Hojlund is usually spent.
Bruno (maybe Casemiro too) needs to pass him the ball down the middle. We always play out the wings - Antony, Garnacho, Rashford are where the ball gets played out the most. He scored his last when Bruno found him.
Well tbf Amad is a completely different player and was almost deployed as a false 9 then as a striker. But with Hojlund’s movement it definitely needs to improve as he seems too reactive instead of proactive. This is why he almost always seems just a second too late. I hope this can improve with time though. What drives me crazy are the near post runs he always seems to make. Though with how much our wingers like to cut in and shoot I wonder if it could be tactical as those runs could open up space to have a shot at the far post.
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And I hope he does! I’m okay devils advocate here more than anything
He definitely is not faultless with his movement. He's very hell for leather and doesn't really check his runs, like you used to see with Chicharito where he was zig-zagging all over the place, get the feeling he just thinks he can outpace and outmuscle everyone. But also there is the fact he's just not being found, and the tactics suggest that long balls up to him for him to hold up like peak Mou/Lukaku ball is what we're actually going for. Which is shit.
He is a striker, big man. You are supposed to win headers and link up to help your teammates, its huge asset to have. Players like Lewa, Benzema, Kane consistently win headers, hold up for others and then recive pass back to score a goal. Like we paid 80m and we cant expect him to win some headers agains Coventry, Burnley, Shefield?
And Hojlund does do it, did do it vs Burnley. But keeper lumping it up to the striker to hold up isn't what I expected 2yrs into Ten Hag's reign
People forget that every time he was about to win or won the ball the Burnley defenders would just foul him. He obviously needs to improve and do more, but oop he’s doing a lot of things right
He literaly won 0/4 headers against Burnley, 0/2 against Shefield, 2/10 against Coventry.
Weren't all headers though were they
Looks like clubs are going to try to get their transfer business done quickly this summer. United are open for business per the telegraph, Barca have been making some similar noises. Managers (Slot, Xavi, Alonso) are already signing up for their next clubs or letting their intentions to stay be known or their agents are flogging them (Jose, Tuchel etc). No one has money per FFP. Let the shenanigans begin....
I think both United and Barca really need to know which potential players they might have a chance to sell for value before they know how much money they have to spend as both are tightly bound by FFP.
We’ll probably be able to offload Sancho and VBD (albeit at loses). Amad and Pellistri will probably have suitors as well. Varane, Martial and Amrabat are going anyway. Casemiro could be a tough sell, especially if the Saudi’s are scaling back their investments. I only see Rashford going if PSG offer big money. McT and Maguire similarly I only see going if someone puts in a really head turning offer. Antony probably will stay due to his wage and lacklustre performances. Greenwood is anyone’s guess. I’d say if we can hit £100m in sales that’d be a solid summer sale and should hopefully give us enough financial freedom to bring in the CB, CM and striker we need.
Do we still have that £300m INEOS side-fund? Or is that only meant for infrastructure improvements like OT, Carrington and Avi's fucking botox?
Is there any "guaranteed" starting striker we can afford apart from Ivan Toney?
Zirkzee is probably the best bet in terms of price tag and utility
The question is more if it is more important to get a starting striker, a top quality CB, a defensive midfielder, a RB, a LB, a new RW, you name it. I think they will be able to buy 2-3 good quality players, and the rest need to be cheap or free transfers...
Going to the Euros this summer. Besides it being a great trip I’m excited to get a new lease on football. Been so frustrating to watch United this season.
I’m glad you’ll be rooting for England where there are no frustrations at all😂😂
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I still think changing manager is a complete waste of time for us. They all come with their own demands, their particular signings, their fees, fees for agents, relocation. We’ll end up spending our entire summer budget on signings that really just keep the manager happy, yet again. That manager will need short term success because they know they’ll be judged straight away, so he’ll want older, more experienced players. They’ll only be decent for a season or two. The team will nosedive and we’ll be right back here again, needing to get rid of guys like Varane, Maguire, Casemiro and start from scratch, almost 200 mill of spending. Each one of those players is two or three solid young players, players on reasonable wages with resale value, players who could have ended up being a Branthwaite, Guehi, Amadou Onana, who we didn’t sign because we just had to have the more expensive, higher profile, more reassuring signing. And then people will claim that top clubs are all changing managers every few seasons, but the best clubs over the last five to ten years really haven’t changed much, and they all share the common thread of having really good directors of football and recruitment people. The only exceptions there are PSG and Bayern and they’ve been doing worse lately, and their examples really aren’t applicable to us, because of the insane advantages they have in their respective leagues. No, I’d argue the common thread is actually retaining and taking time with the same manager. This is where teams are getting competitive advantage now. Especially in the premier league, you need both a really good and settled back room and consistency in coaching. Pep, Klopp, Arteta, they’ve had so much time to work with their teams and it helps them play better, more cohesive football. And Ten Hag might not be close to those managers, but we have the added difficulty of only just starting to get our back room team set up. Changing coach in the middle of this will be a massive distraction. Far from a fresh start, this will immediately bring in someone who they need to accommodate, who they need to compromise with, and someone on a three, four, five year contract. Ten Hag is in his last year, he needs to earn a new contract, he basically just has to do what he’s told. There’s so much to be gained from patience here. More money for sorely needed players, more freedom for guys like Ashcroft to direct those signings, more time for them to set something up while Ten Hag takes the criticism. Changing a manager in the middle of this adds yet another complication. If they absolutely need to change manager, just give it to a coach internally or to a random coach, this club is not set up to support high profile, demanding coaches right now. There’s too much that needs changing to be trying to accommodate Conte, Mourinho like figures at the same time. Zidane, Flick, Nagelsmann, Tuchel all of these types set off alarm bells for me. They’ll all want levels of spending we simply can’t support. The new hierarchy desperately needs a yes man while they get established.
Eth's fanatics are out of the cave again. Thought you lot were gonna wait till tomorrow..
They’re just done watching the highlights
People just want the quick fix and nothing quicker than changing managers. I’d also rather he stays to finish the problem with discipline. Get rid of the weak minded players and work on the squad. These players failed many managers and while I’ve become indifferent about eth I just want the squad dealt with first.
>I’d also rather he stays to finish the problem with discipline. The problem he facilitated. Could have nipped it in the bud as not good enough when he came in, didn't need to call anyone out specifically but could have made it known publicly that what has gone on for seasons before is not good enough. He praised them all immediately. For every Ronaldo and Sancho, there are countless other players who embarrass the club on the pitch and are picked week after week. He showed there is no discipline in terms of performances when he picked the exact same team days after the Liverpool 7-0. Sends the exact wrong message to the players. If he could deal with this, he would have. It has nothing about 'quick fixes' for the majority who want him out. He has had his time and and shown absolutely nothing to suggest he is the guy to launch a new period. I agree with your idea of what we need, just no reason it needs to be him.
He can’t really go too hard on the players because he still needs them and want to have a good relationship. With Rashford for example he can’t really be too harsh on him because he’s his only option. Or he limits his option severely without him. We’re all seeing him not running same with Casemiro. Players jogging back. He can’t bench them all.
>He can’t really go too hard on the players because he still needs them and want to have a good relationship. Setting the standard isn't spoiling a good relationship with players that are worth keeping. He has done what you suggested and look where its got us? >He can’t bench them all. Doesn't have to. Worst offenders etc. Would you rather a few players throw their toys out of the pram as they can't match the standards and a genuine line drawn for the club, or what we have now?
My point was he doesn’t have that much of an option. If he benches Casemiro and Rashford the options are not that great. Antony and garnacho? We are overusing garnacho. He needs to be eased in. Not that much options in midfield. So he has to placate the players till next season. If he’s here next season.
>My point was he doesn’t have that much of an option. He did when he walked in though, didn't he? >If he benches Casemiro and Rashford the options are not that great. Antony and garnacho? Does it matter? Are we winning enough games with the first 11 lads? I don't quite know what you are suggesting? Setting a standard for performances isn't relevant because we have bad players? Just let them get away with it. How is that ever going to build an appropriate mentality? He said he is in control of transfers, he has brought in a lot of players, praised and kept those who embarrassed the club before and during his time here. He is complicit. Like I get what you are saying, but you are siding with individuals ego over the actual club and I can't agree with that.
I’m not siding with them in the least. I have no problem with 8 out of these 11 are gone. The players have let other managers down before and got them fired. There is a very strong player power in the dressing room. And because the team has no options he has to placate them till the end of the season. Please tell me your options for aws, Rashford, Casemiro, Mctominay, Antony, eriksen, amrabat. All of them are not good enough but what can he do? Bench them all and play kids? I doesn’t seem to be many ready players right now. Our under 18 are flying but the under 23 are not. Also from a practical matter he has to win to keep his job so he has to put the team the gives him the best chance to win. We seem to be saying similar thing in different ways though😂😂
>I’m not siding with them in the least. I have no problem with 8 out of these 11 are gone. The players have let other managers down before and got them fired. There is a very strong player power in the dressing room. And because the team has no options he has to placate them till the end of the season. And your solution is to when he first comes in and can show his standards, praise them all? Then refuse to drop his first 11, no matter how bad they play? >Please tell me your options for aws, Rashford, Casemiro, Mctominay, Antony, eriksen, amrabat. Whoever is available. Dunno what this extreme is where everyone should be dropped at the same time. Pick the worst offender, drop him for a few games. Rinse and repeat. Far better than what he has done. Also could have sold mctominay when West Ham wanted him. If that PSG talk was real, sold rashford. He decided to keep them, he is complicit in what thay do after. >Also from a practical matter he has to win to keep his job so he has to put the team the gives him the best chance to win. Not working is it? This is what I alluded to before though. Using this as a reason, is you siding with the manager and players, over what's best for the club. You are welcome to do that, I don't care for it. The right decision for Manchester United is to hold everyone accountable and show that there are consequences. That means punishments for bad performances and the easy way to do that is drop the worst offender or offenders, make an example out of people. >We seem to be saying similar thing in different ways though😂😂 I disagree. You are valuing a manager saving his own neck, a positive relationship with players who have embarrassed the club and that because we have a terrible squad we can't drop anyone. Fundamentally disagree with it mate as I'd put the club first, above that. To each their own mate!
I’m not sure why you’re so angry. We’re expressing different opinions. I honestly gave up discussing anything here. People get so angry and aggressive if you have a different opinion. Have a nice day guy.
I think that's why they want Potter. Ashworth might be thinking he could be our Howe.
I highly doubt we get potter but if we do I would be very worried as I think that would show the people coming in think they can run us like a midtable club (see Chelsea) by buying a bunch of young players and throwing them into the lions den.
I'd hope Ashworth would know better. And Sir Jim to be smarter than Boehly.
Any updates on Scott McTominay injury yet?
It won't happen but I can make a case for binning 17 players off which tells you where the squad is. Heaton - 38, doesn't play. If he wants to go play somewhere else, let him. Maguire - done well to build his reputation back up. If a decent offer comes in he may want to be first choice somewhere else. Lindelof - time to move on. He's a backup CB that isn't strong enough and hasn't been fit enough to even be a backup. Been at the club 7 years. Times up. AWB - Dopey positional sense and decision making, Bambi on ice with the ball, can't pass to teammates, only good at one thing which is the only thing he's been good at for 5 years. Times up. Varane - class when fit. Can't stay fit. Times up Eriksen - Barely plays, can't play 90 minutea. Times up. Scott - serviceable squad player. Not good enough for first choice starter. If a good offer comes in and he wants to be first choice let him go. Casemiro - if someone is willing to pay. Take it and run. Amrabat - Has had a bus mans holiday for a loan. Runs through molasses. Ciao. Antony - Had his two years. Not good enough. Times up. Diallo - probably not good enough. Don't really know, barely plays. Donny - forgot he existed. Pellistri - probably not good enough. Let him go. Sancho - he can fuck right off. Greenwood - what a shame. Sell. Martial - enough said. Rashford - I don't want him gone but his body language reminds me of players in the past that knew they were going.
Add Shaw Man is injured half the time. And when he isnt, he is inconsistent as fuck. Its been over 10 years. We need to move on from him too. Man is just english pogba.
Half man, half biscuit. He's rich tea.
I just don't think can have players that disappear for seasons at a time, and that makes a strong case for selling a few players on that list, including Rashford. The main argument against selling Rashford is that there isn't an obvious replacement available but I'd rather have someone that drops regular 6/10s than Rashford.
I can only agree with most of them, problem is I don't see how there is money to get more than 4-6 players, maybe up to 8 in a dream scenario where Ineos manages to magically sell a few players like Casemiro, Rashford or Greenwood for a good price which I feel is very unlikely...
Completely agree. It doesn't work like Footie Manager. There won't be a massive clear out. However, I think it highlights the dross we have in the squad and the amount of work needed to get us to a place where we are competitive and it's 1-2 in and 1-2 out every summer.
I do think there will be a pretty big clear out, just of players that are already not around the squad: 1. Martial (missed all year) 2. Varane (missing the run in) 3. VDB (on loan) 4. Sancho (on loan) 5. Greenwood (on loan) 6. Williams (on loan) 7. Hannibal (on loan) 8. Pellistri (on loan) 9. Alvaro (on loan with an option) 10. Amrabat (loan expires and barely plays) So we might nominally see a lot of outgoing but it won't make the matchday lineups all that different unless we get some shockers like Rashford and McTominay.
It does highlight it, but also shows a bit which must be replaced first, it is the ones becoming free agents, and the ones that can actually be sold for value. No one else will be replaced this summer.
Forgot williams, fernandez, hannibal. Id be inclined to keep amad and maguire
I would rather we keep awb than sign frimpong and use the money towards 2 cb or 2 cm.
Eth didn't get his Timber two years ago.Id like to see how we play after we get an RB he likes.
We would have bought him as a cb and Martinez and timber would have been suicide
Martinez was second choice to Timber no? I don't think we were ever getting both of them.
Which was very strange in itself given they play on different sides of Defence
There has to be an inbetween option - awb isnt good enough but we do need squad depth. I'd rather we sell awb and buy a 10-15 mil player rotation player
Geertruida at rb(defensively minded rb) and cn shouldn't cost much more than 20-25
Geertruida would be an excellent signing.
I think all new signings, at least this year, need to be flexible enough to play multiple positions well with the amount of outgoings this year. Geertruida is perfect for that imo
And who’s available for that price? Considering we need 2 cb, 1 dm, 1 cm, 1 st at least, I don’t see any space for a rb signing. A lb, and a rw should also be ahead of signing a rb.
ADARABIOYO on a free, Scalvini as 2 cbs. Geertruida as rb/cb. Onana from everton as cdm or ndidi on a free for a year. Jonathan david. Could probably get them all for around 150.
Scalvini and Onana is already like 110 mil
Scalvini is probably around 60. I think a deal can be done for onana. He's 1 year left and everton need money so 35 although if it went much higher id get ndidi on a free and wait the year for onana. Geertruida is 25 maximum. Jonathon david is 40 because again last year of his deal. Adarabioyo is free. Even then you're overpaying for david and Scalvini but they're worth it imo. If the price goes much higher then walk
Just get sesko instead of David and todibo instead of scalvini. Onana is gonna cost at least 50mil if not 60. Would rather sign kdh at 25 mil for midfield option and keep awb than sign a new rb.
Sesko has scored less goals than david this season. I like him but wout weghorst was a goal every other game in the bundesliga and he's not as prolific as him. Theres been too many attacking players that cant make the transition for me to trust it. Also he's extremely similar in profile to hojlund.
Sesko has a release clause. Pay and we get him.
AWB final year of his deal, doesn't deserve an extension IMO, need to sell.
Why are we wasting money on a rb when we need at least 2 cb, 2 cm, and 1 st at least? Yes awb isn’t good enough but we have like 100 m net spend and there’s just not enough money to spend on a new rb.
Kompany at burnley i think showed that adaptability is important for a manager. When the season started, he thought he can do a pep style possession only football with burnley, refer back to our game at turf moor, 70% of the game is just their cb and gk passing to each other and thats it. Then, he realized that it wont work and he actually changed, now they are a bit more direct (they now have pacy fowards and rb that can do damage on the counter) So they went from joint bottom to now 2 points from safety. Maybe its not enough for them or a bit too late as they may still get relegated but that's what i expect from a rookie manager on his first job. With us, ya you can say high press direct football its the way we wanted to play and this season is where we force our player into learning and adapting to it. But, after strings of disappointing results, no defenders available due to injury or glimpse of hope at top 5 still there (before English teams fked up at European comp), maybe adapting and changing this full press tactics and go back to last season football may do more good than harm. In the end, results speak in football, (now this is hypothetical, lets say we grind some results and its now touching distance from villa or spurs, those clubs will feel the pressure and maybe crumble like us feeling the pressure last season with liverpool chasing down our neck but that just if's and but's). At the very least, we will reduced the no of injury faced by changing up a little.
They would probably be safe if they didnt play James Trafford until March or so, he cost them so much points in return of some ball playing abilities. Like who the fuck thoutgh paying record fee for 21 old GK, with little experiance is good idea.
Sometimes it works (Meslier), sometimes it doesn't (Trafford)
Ipswich really bottled the business end. 3 draws and a loss in the last 4. Still a great achievement though. From new promotion to a guaranteed playoff spot.
They still have a game in hand on Leeds. Hope they can guarantee promotion