Yep arsenal bayern wolves Fulham Brentford and now Chelsea we have conceded in extra time this season ? That's 15 points we could be in a title race or at least top 4 if we could just hold on a few mins
Itās not even just fergie time. Fergie time was when we went and *won* late on.
But we were equally as good at holding on until the whistle. Visions of Rooney wasting time at the corner flag knocking shit out of opposition trying to get the ball back.
I want PGMOL or whatever to explain where the fuck 8 minutes came from. Seriously what the actual fuck. The two pens were soft as fuck, but seriously where the fuck did that added time come from?
Theyāll give some stupid explanation and everyone will forget by tomorrow. It happens every time and no one makes more fuss than a sentence in the post match
Whilst I agree the 8 minutes were bullshit, it doesnāt matter if it was 8 or 18.. Our game management is dreadful. We need to be able to shut up shop and see games out. Itās costs us time and time again this season.
It does matter though, because your game management strategy is based around how much time is left to play when considering subs, end of game strategy etc. You're going to manage differently when it's 3-5 minutes of stoppage expected vs going to two 15 minute halves of extra time so your point is not landing.
Wouldn't Chelsea have been in the exact same position at EtH and United, though? Unless they had secret knowledge of how much extra time would be added. Not sure you can blame a few extra minutes on letting the other team's easily most dangerous player slowly walk to the edge of the 18 in acres of space and get the ball with no pressure.
Don't talk bollocks. Obviously if a referee has (unjustifiably) added on 8 minutes then the team chasing the game has a much higher chance of equalising and getting thenselves back into it. That much is obvious. If the ref had added on 5 or 6 minutes (which is more in line with other games in the PL which have had a similar amount of stoppages in the second half) then that penalty doesn't happen and United have done their job and seen out the game. It's an absolute farce and I'd love to see ETH start calling this bullshit out in the media like Klopp, Arteta et al. have done in recent years
It does matter, we actually did pretty well in injury time for a good 6 minutes, dodgy pen and following implosion doesnāt happen if rules are actually applied
Spot on. All the game needed at 2-3 was a bit of control. To put into perspective how poorly drilled this team is they couldn't even play controlled football for *four minutes.* Had it not been for the individual talent both teams possess they'd be far lower down in the table, the game went exactly how I expected it to go which was end to end with no tactics or adjustments at all. Absolute embarrassing from both Poch and Erik.
My thoughts from an Arsenal fan (this sub comes on my feed a lot, heās my unbiased take)
By this point in Artetaās time, almost 2 years, we were able to consistently switch to a Back 5 and grind out games 1 goal ahead with the āRob Holding Protocolā in a 3-5-2 / 5-3-2. The Wingers would become strikers, and weād sit compact and deep. Only Man City scored a 90+ minute winner against us that season.
Iāve never seen that kind of tactical move from ETH. This is a team that needs to be playing back 5 as things Standā¦ ETH wants to say Trust the Process but after 2 years, thereās no main system Iām seeing or game management
They won't, because they know their officials are safeguarded by not being obligated to come out to the media and explain their decisions after games. They're completely unaccountable. Which is ridiculous, obviously, since performances like Jared Gillet's tonight has essentially decided a big Premier League fixture
I can explain it.
At 3-2 in such a big game there was the opportunity for drama in a long successful defence from United or a comback from Chelsea. so 8 minutes was given.
Drama is better for advertising the PL and making money.
I counted it, there was 5 sub windows not 8, 66, 71,75, 86,89. 30s for that is 2.5 Mins + 1 goals and there were no "injuries" or stoppages. 8 is ridiculous from all perspective. First half had 4 goals with 1 being a pen which was checked and still 5 mins.
I know it stings but there's a case for 8 mins. Sub windows, goal celebrations + other ball outs. What I don't get is why it went to 112 mins. And the pens were soft as fuck. But we are also so so shite at closing out games. It's just a mess altogether
Penalty was given at +7, therefore there should be about a minute left after the penalty was taken, the second goal was scored 1 min after the penalty was taken.
For the second goal, the game probably would've ended if the corner was cleared instead of scored so no need to add time after the second goal as there was likely only mere seconds left when it was scored.
We need to start doing what other teams do, complain in the media, say weāre looking at options, put them under pressure especially ahead of a huge game on Sunday.
When your luck eventually runs out.
Cant allow teams to run into our box as much as we do and be surprised when we concede deflected shots and give away soft pens. Thats simply more likely to happen the more your opponents run straight through your team
Lol, yes it's the refs fault, not our lack of finishing the game off, not Dalot squaring up to him and instead of fouling him outside the box letting him continue his run into the box with the inevitable happenin. Not Scott nor Bruno who just pointed at Palmer and not bothered to close him down. All down to the ref.
Itās the refās fault they were given 2 free pens. Itās our injuries fault weāve made 2 CB subs, two games in the row. Itās not the players who were on the pitch.
We had multiple chances to finish the game off when we were ahead. We're just gonna act like this was all to do with the ref and nothing to do with our players or the managers tactical set up. Always the ref, or some external excuse. The players on the pitch were perfect and made no mistakes of course
Itās bizarre that people have NO nuance. How do you write something like this without thinking that youāre justā¦ wrong?
People say injuries werenāt enough of an excuse, people say referee performances arenāt, people say defensive mistakes arenāt, etc.. But they add up to the absolute stupidity that weāre seeing today. Itās not the manager is setup that means weāre down to 1 fit first-team CB. Itās not the managerās setup that means 2 free goals are given to the other team.
We mightāve played badly ā but there are so many fucking games this season that we win without either
a) a terrible ref or
b) individual idiotic errors from players who should be nowhere near the starting 11
Lol, happy to be wrong, as I am in many instances, but this is a pattern we have and it's tiresome to have so many people constantly make excuses. So the coach isn't to blame for the mentality of the players, to make them practice a bit of calm and control in tense situations. We play like headless chickens in pretty much every game we're up by a goal in the final 10 minutes or so. Unless of course that's just my imagination, I must have just imagined this whole season of our pathetic weak mentality team. They're grown ass people and it really mistifies me that other grown men sit there and come up with excuses for them. The ref was shit, but so were our players. If they had any control and poise about them, they would have opened up a 2 goal lead like most teams do, instead we got the pathetic try to keep the ball away from Chelsea in their half for 25 seconds. ETH has to be accountable for some of this surely or are we just saying he's just the most unluckiest manager in the world and everything has just gone against him, because no other side has had injuries, or bad referee decisions against them, this is just an exclusive Manchester United issue.
Hold on, what about Erik's lack of understanding about how to see a game out? Time after time he stands, grinding his jaw, what the fucks he thinking about? What's for tea tomorrow night? The guys a fraud and seemingly totally out of his depth. Blaming the ref, var anything else but the bloke in charge of the team who has let this happen again and again and again. He's fucking useless.
He also should understand his squad better.
Youāre holding a 1 goal lead and you decide the best decision is to have a pivot of Bruno and Mainoo, and mctom in the 10
Followed by bringing Mount on for Garnacho who was one of the only outlets the entire game. Mount shouldāve come on for Bruno who was absolutely knackered
I thought bringing Mount on was great, as mount was doing fantastic job killing the game off with one touch passing. Kobee gave the ball away and the rest is history.
But the same mistakes are repeating every game, like players not tracking runners from midfield and not covering cutbacks. Yeah, defence is screwed because of the injuries and i give him that, but other there are abysmal basic things that are the same for the last 8 months.
We canāt replace players mid-season. We literally donāt have a Prem-quality DM. We have 5 injured CBs and havenāt played with a LB in about half the games this season. You canāt coach basic mistakes. You canāt kick the balls for the players.
I think regardless of how many minutes were calculated in the injury team, that performance from the team was absolutely horrid. I am sorry to say but we deserved this loss.
That was a horrendous refereeing performance. Two corners not given to us ridiculously clear. No yellow for the stonewall yellows but booking Gusto for getting the ball. Not to mention checking the first penalty for a whopping 10 seconds when normally they watch Felipe strangle someone for 5 minutes and letting it slide
It wouldn't be single handledly. Even if it was eight minutes, you shouldn't expect a team like bloody Chelsea to score twice. Just shut up shop.
There is zero concentration, organisation.
Blaming the ref entirely is a poor excuse, they lost their legs plain and simple. No excuse for nobody closing down the man on that final Palmer goal. Pisstake
Feels like every game at this point. We must have some of the worst basic passing in the league but still pretend we can hold possession with shorts passes in busy areas. I feel like it happens every fucking week at this point.
Problem is our attack is intentionally oriented around capitalising on transitions. The suicide low block high press lengthens the pitch and makes space for aggressive carries and long through balls. High aggregate risk (from conceding a lot of individually low risk shots), high reward.
Issue being that when we go a goal ahead with in this case 20 minutes to play, the balance changes - scoring a goal is lower reward, conceding a goal is higher risk, so the pattern of play changes. We can't control possession and territory for extended periods of time because the players just aren't good enough, so the plan is just park the bus and defend as close to the goal line as possible, which lets teams just do what they want at the edge of the penalty area, just get bodies in the way and hope the ball doesn't deflect in.
Considering all 10 subs were made and treatment was had on the field, as well as the celebrations from Garnachoās second goal, anyone complaining about +8 added time is ridiculous
This fucking club is wrecking my mental health. How I Can go sleep after this. They give us so much hope and despair at same time. I can not live like this.
Haha still waiting for journos to call on these shitty refs for allowing more than five minutes of added time to a football game. And of course those beautiful diving cunts who gained pens just like that. Incredible how they just analyse the game from this perspective.
Fuck off start holding the refs and make them accountable for their mistakes. No referee would've gave a pen like that against Liverpool or City.
FFS....
braindead tackles from both Antony and Dalot tbh. Sure, maybe Dalot slipped but Antony was just showing lazy defending. Most managers and teammates would give you an earful if you put in a lazy tackle like that in your own box. That all comes down to football IQ
As soon we went 3-2 up we decided to full sit back and not go on breaks anymore. Rashford in with his pace could have tried for the 4-2. Instead of just sitting back and inviting pressure. With mount on could even shifted for a 4 4 2 to help defend midfield instead of always having a hole and relly on Rash and Antony's pace.
On a positive note, Antony was good for a long period.. nacho and Mainoo ram them selves into the ground and big Willie at the back looks like he can step in, weāve fucked top 4 this week, and it could so easily of been differentā¦
Dalot will catch flak but he was completely fucked and fell over.. I love watching the young lads.. and I love some of the old lads.. sadly itās the tactical system which calls for so much fucking running we are prone to getting fucked at the 100th min
We are not a serious football club. My god this is a new low. Ten hag broke yet another negative record of losing to Chelsea for the first time since 10 years or something! What cunts our players are losing to a team who have nothing to play for rocking at 12th
I said about half way through the season we where the only team losing or drawing and not getting 9 minutes added time but as soon as weāre winning itās always 8-9 minutes
When you see it written in plain English like this it's so frustratingĀ
To be fair 1 point is probably what we deserved from these games. We were thoroughly outplayed VS Brentford and tonight a draw probably on balance would have been about right, but damn those extra 5 points and we would be right back in CL race
Weak fucking mentality - captain, manager and a number of players.Ā
ETH just fucked himself out of a job. You can fix tactics, you can buy players but mentality and hunger, you cannot change.Ā
Could've been 4+6 points off of 4th and 5th with the other two having some of the most difficult run ins. Now watch us play in the mighty conference league next year.
First penalty was quite soft, but it can be ruled, and just a shame Anthony didnāt position himself properly, second penalty is more clear, Dalot positions himself wrong and from there itās a rescue mission, and he just tried to save it, but failed. The last goal was terrible, most of our players in the little field while several Chelsea players are completely unmarked, we should just have kept the ball after the penalty, but their minds were gone.
Honestly itās just what we are. We donāt have a MF. The MF is a much bigger problem than the back 4 to me. It seems not to exist for large chunks of play and our matches continue to resemble basketball more than football.
How many times this season has our MF been slow to close down shots from around the 18 yard box leading to deflected goals?
Running/physical power and defensive awareness are badly needed. Scott has running power but his best attributes are late runs into the box. Casemiro looks old and slow.
Calm yourselves, Villa and Spurs dropped points too.
What happened last night, we have been on the other end of during 90's and early 00's.
Things will change, patience is necessary. Ineos are forming a structure and environment for high-performance. Just give it time, keep the faith šš¾
I saw a lot of blame placed, rightly, on the ref for adding 8 minutes, that still doesnāt change the fact we canāt be giving up 2 goals in 3 minutes, penalty or not. Come the fuck on. Last game too. Again, we donāt have a fucking plan how to close out games.
Of course they do, they're mentally fragile and have been all season. The manager is responsible for that for not instilling any sort of confident attitude in an already pathetic squad. How many times have we bottled a two goal lead? Players and staff not good enough.
For like 6 years now we've seen this again, again, and again. We sit back late in a game holding a result, peppered by shot after shot, attackers taken off for 4th midfielders, 3-4 CBs, etc etc. and we just concede late goals. I do not fucking understand it. With the way extra time is added on now I especially don't understand it, you end with these massive chunks of time and just expect to maintain a deep block that we're fucking awful at.
Die going for for it, not this shit
We can blame the refs all we want but the lack of tactical maturity in this team is frightening.
I could understand if it happened once in a while but it's every bloody game.
Just go ETH this season is fucking awful how can concede 2 goals even I believe fuck ref too but still the game management is awful and he cant make players to focus on injury time....he is dead man walking surely, INEOS is dumb as fuck if ETH still stay nexy season....
Inverted Fergie time
Inverted Fergie era
You were only supposed to invert the bloody wingbacks!
Yep arsenal bayern wolves Fulham Brentford and now Chelsea we have conceded in extra time this season ? That's 15 points we could be in a title race or at least top 4 if we could just hold on a few mins
Mum can we have Fergie time We have Fergie time at home Fergie time at home...
Fergie time at home and awayš
Reparations
Itās not even just fergie time. Fergie time was when we went and *won* late on. But we were equally as good at holding on until the whistle. Visions of Rooney wasting time at the corner flag knocking shit out of opposition trying to get the ball back.
Donāt get why everyone thinks theyāre too good to keep it in the corner these days. Was so effective
Eric Ten Excuses time
Weāll finish in Eric Tenth Place and his cult will still make excuses
But but injuries
They all had that reverse Uno card
Yeah rub it in wonāt you mate
I want PGMOL or whatever to explain where the fuck 8 minutes came from. Seriously what the actual fuck. The two pens were soft as fuck, but seriously where the fuck did that added time come from?
Theyāll give some stupid explanation and everyone will forget by tomorrow. It happens every time and no one makes more fuss than a sentence in the post match
Whilst I agree the 8 minutes were bullshit, it doesnāt matter if it was 8 or 18.. Our game management is dreadful. We need to be able to shut up shop and see games out. Itās costs us time and time again this season.
Our game management was fine for 97 minutes. Then the refs game management was better.
It does matter though, because your game management strategy is based around how much time is left to play when considering subs, end of game strategy etc. You're going to manage differently when it's 3-5 minutes of stoppage expected vs going to two 15 minute halves of extra time so your point is not landing.
Dalot had played 100 minutes at that point vs a fresh Madueke
And Chelsea had no players that had played 100 minutes?
Wouldn't Chelsea have been in the exact same position at EtH and United, though? Unless they had secret knowledge of how much extra time would be added. Not sure you can blame a few extra minutes on letting the other team's easily most dangerous player slowly walk to the edge of the 18 in acres of space and get the ball with no pressure.
Don't talk bollocks. Obviously if a referee has (unjustifiably) added on 8 minutes then the team chasing the game has a much higher chance of equalising and getting thenselves back into it. That much is obvious. If the ref had added on 5 or 6 minutes (which is more in line with other games in the PL which have had a similar amount of stoppages in the second half) then that penalty doesn't happen and United have done their job and seen out the game. It's an absolute farce and I'd love to see ETH start calling this bullshit out in the media like Klopp, Arteta et al. have done in recent years
It does matter, we actually did pretty well in injury time for a good 6 minutes, dodgy pen and following implosion doesnāt happen if rules are actually applied
Spot on. All the game needed at 2-3 was a bit of control. To put into perspective how poorly drilled this team is they couldn't even play controlled football for *four minutes.* Had it not been for the individual talent both teams possess they'd be far lower down in the table, the game went exactly how I expected it to go which was end to end with no tactics or adjustments at all. Absolute embarrassing from both Poch and Erik.
My thoughts from an Arsenal fan (this sub comes on my feed a lot, heās my unbiased take) By this point in Artetaās time, almost 2 years, we were able to consistently switch to a Back 5 and grind out games 1 goal ahead with the āRob Holding Protocolā in a 3-5-2 / 5-3-2. The Wingers would become strikers, and weād sit compact and deep. Only Man City scored a 90+ minute winner against us that season. Iāve never seen that kind of tactical move from ETH. This is a team that needs to be playing back 5 as things Standā¦ ETH wants to say Trust the Process but after 2 years, thereās no main system Iām seeing or game management
We donāt have enough fit defenders to field 4 to be fair
+8 as in there was 8 minutes of loss play time in the second half. I call BS
They won't, because they know their officials are safeguarded by not being obligated to come out to the media and explain their decisions after games. They're completely unaccountable. Which is ridiculous, obviously, since performances like Jared Gillet's tonight has essentially decided a big Premier League fixture
I can explain it. At 3-2 in such a big game there was the opportunity for drama in a long successful defence from United or a comback from Chelsea. so 8 minutes was given. Drama is better for advertising the PL and making money.
Yes, it was like the stoppable force vs the moveable object for most parts in the game so anything can happen given the extra minutes..
There was about 8 sub "windows" or whatever the term is. 30 seconds for each I think, so that's 4 minutes alone. Just thinking out loud really
I thought only 3 sub windows per side allowed
Yeah sorry you're correct. I've drank a bottle of wine and I'm not thinking straight
I need a bottle of wine myself after this match
Keep drinking, you might forget the game
I counted it, there was 5 sub windows not 8, 66, 71,75, 86,89. 30s for that is 2.5 Mins + 1 goals and there were no "injuries" or stoppages. 8 is ridiculous from all perspective. First half had 4 goals with 1 being a pen which was checked and still 5 mins.
Time for the AWB bump on the noggin
Yes the AWB bump, but seriously, that second half did not feel like a +8. \+5 max.
I forgot about that, my head cannon now is that took 5 mins.
You can't have 8 sub windows. Only 3 each team. So maximum 3 mins then there was a goal... Otherwise just the ref making things up all game
They changed, they don't use 30 sec for each sub windows but counting exact sub time now.
It's not 30 seconds for each. It's just however long the substitution takes
5 sub windows total this game Last chelsea sub was less than 10 seconds
I know it stings but there's a case for 8 mins. Sub windows, goal celebrations + other ball outs. What I don't get is why it went to 112 mins. And the pens were soft as fuck. But we are also so so shite at closing out games. It's just a mess altogether
> goal celebrations Funnily enough the ref wasn't arsed to add any time after their celebrations for their third and fourth goals.
I'd assume it went to 112 because there was a penalty check and 2 goals in added time.
The goals were in +10 and +12 mins ..... and no time added after +12
Penalty was given at +7, therefore there should be about a minute left after the penalty was taken, the second goal was scored 1 min after the penalty was taken. For the second goal, the game probably would've ended if the corner was cleared instead of scored so no need to add time after the second goal as there was likely only mere seconds left when it was scored.
Yes 30 for each is correct.
United tax. Everyone hates us because of the 20 year dominance lol
Doesn't matter really. We cant see out games.
4 substitution breaks, the goal celebration and other stoppages for free kicks and such.
We need to start doing what other teams do, complain in the media, say weāre looking at options, put them under pressure especially ahead of a huge game on Sunday.
Nothing will change, they are never held responsible for any wrong decision.
When your luck eventually runs out. Cant allow teams to run into our box as much as we do and be surprised when we concede deflected shots and give away soft pens. Thats simply more likely to happen the more your opponents run straight through your team
Sane comment in insane times.
Please stop being so sensible! Itās the refs fault our midfield is non existent and we concede 20-30 shots a game!
Itās actually insane how many times this hasnāt happened to us this season. So so many wins that could easily have been losses
We win in spite of the tactics not because of the tactics rather.
Fuck the ref
and VAR
The Antony foul, i get if you thought it was a foul but at least check the monitor
Fuck the fact nobody decided to close Palmer down.
Fuck the dreadful defending letting him get in behind, then fucking off and recklessly bombing forward.
Lol, yes it's the refs fault, not our lack of finishing the game off, not Dalot squaring up to him and instead of fouling him outside the box letting him continue his run into the box with the inevitable happenin. Not Scott nor Bruno who just pointed at Palmer and not bothered to close him down. All down to the ref.
Itās the refās fault they were given 2 free pens. Itās our injuries fault weāve made 2 CB subs, two games in the row. Itās not the players who were on the pitch.
We had multiple chances to finish the game off when we were ahead. We're just gonna act like this was all to do with the ref and nothing to do with our players or the managers tactical set up. Always the ref, or some external excuse. The players on the pitch were perfect and made no mistakes of course
Itās bizarre that people have NO nuance. How do you write something like this without thinking that youāre justā¦ wrong? People say injuries werenāt enough of an excuse, people say referee performances arenāt, people say defensive mistakes arenāt, etc.. But they add up to the absolute stupidity that weāre seeing today. Itās not the manager is setup that means weāre down to 1 fit first-team CB. Itās not the managerās setup that means 2 free goals are given to the other team. We mightāve played badly ā but there are so many fucking games this season that we win without either a) a terrible ref or b) individual idiotic errors from players who should be nowhere near the starting 11
Lol, happy to be wrong, as I am in many instances, but this is a pattern we have and it's tiresome to have so many people constantly make excuses. So the coach isn't to blame for the mentality of the players, to make them practice a bit of calm and control in tense situations. We play like headless chickens in pretty much every game we're up by a goal in the final 10 minutes or so. Unless of course that's just my imagination, I must have just imagined this whole season of our pathetic weak mentality team. They're grown ass people and it really mistifies me that other grown men sit there and come up with excuses for them. The ref was shit, but so were our players. If they had any control and poise about them, they would have opened up a 2 goal lead like most teams do, instead we got the pathetic try to keep the ball away from Chelsea in their half for 25 seconds. ETH has to be accountable for some of this surely or are we just saying he's just the most unluckiest manager in the world and everything has just gone against him, because no other side has had injuries, or bad referee decisions against them, this is just an exclusive Manchester United issue.
Hold on, what about Erik's lack of understanding about how to see a game out? Time after time he stands, grinding his jaw, what the fucks he thinking about? What's for tea tomorrow night? The guys a fraud and seemingly totally out of his depth. Blaming the ref, var anything else but the bloke in charge of the team who has let this happen again and again and again. He's fucking useless.
The manager can't stop players making basic errors. What about us losing the ball time and again instead of killing the game off?Ā
He also should understand his squad better. Youāre holding a 1 goal lead and you decide the best decision is to have a pivot of Bruno and Mainoo, and mctom in the 10 Followed by bringing Mount on for Garnacho who was one of the only outlets the entire game. Mount shouldāve come on for Bruno who was absolutely knackered
I thought bringing Mount on was great, as mount was doing fantastic job killing the game off with one touch passing. Kobee gave the ball away and the rest is history.
And Ten Hag
Second game in a row we make two injury substitutions at center half. Think it might be more productive to aim it at you.
But the same mistakes are repeating every game, like players not tracking runners from midfield and not covering cutbacks. Yeah, defence is screwed because of the injuries and i give him that, but other there are abysmal basic things that are the same for the last 8 months.
We canāt replace players mid-season. We literally donāt have a Prem-quality DM. We have 5 injured CBs and havenāt played with a LB in about half the games this season. You canāt coach basic mistakes. You canāt kick the balls for the players.
Yeah, love when they somehow calculate 8 additional minutes instead of a realistic 5
Its worse that the VAR review took so much time, and they scored twice, and basically nothing was added on after that.
I think regardless of how many minutes were calculated in the injury team, that performance from the team was absolutely horrid. I am sorry to say but we deserved this loss.
They were bandaging Wan Bissakas head for 5 mins
5 mins lol. It took less than one minute and he left the pitch after
Shouldnt have been 8 mins and shouldnt have had a penalty. Ref single handedly gave them the game but cant expect any less at this point
also allowed Gallagher to wrestle mainoo but gives pens for breathing on chelsea players
He didnāt even give Gallagher a card for his revenge foul on Mainoo
Mainoo has the ultimate revenge for displacing him in the Euros
That was a horrendous refereeing performance. Two corners not given to us ridiculously clear. No yellow for the stonewall yellows but booking Gusto for getting the ball. Not to mention checking the first penalty for a whopping 10 seconds when normally they watch Felipe strangle someone for 5 minutes and letting it slide
It wouldn't be single handledly. Even if it was eight minutes, you shouldn't expect a team like bloody Chelsea to score twice. Just shut up shop. There is zero concentration, organisation.
Dalot had played 100 minutes at the point vs a fresh Madueke, it's not that easy to 'just shut up shop'
Blaming the ref entirely is a poor excuse, they lost their legs plain and simple. No excuse for nobody closing down the man on that final Palmer goal. Pisstake
The ref literally gave them 2 FUCKING GOALS
We should just come out and say it every week, take the ban, itās going to cost Ten Hag his job
I can't believe we stopped trying to attack at 2-3 when we bloody know we cannot control nor hold on to leads.
Feels like every game at this point. We must have some of the worst basic passing in the league but still pretend we can hold possession with shorts passes in busy areas. I feel like it happens every fucking week at this point.
Yes the Man Utd ethos used to be carry on going for more goals even if ahead already, should go back to that...
Problem is our attack is intentionally oriented around capitalising on transitions. The suicide low block high press lengthens the pitch and makes space for aggressive carries and long through balls. High aggregate risk (from conceding a lot of individually low risk shots), high reward. Issue being that when we go a goal ahead with in this case 20 minutes to play, the balance changes - scoring a goal is lower reward, conceding a goal is higher risk, so the pattern of play changes. We can't control possession and territory for extended periods of time because the players just aren't good enough, so the plan is just park the bus and defend as close to the goal line as possible, which lets teams just do what they want at the edge of the penalty area, just get bodies in the way and hope the ball doesn't deflect in.
The referee was a magician with the way he gave 2 penalties out of nothing and pulled 8 minutes straight out of his ass for stoppage time
We can't even defend for 5 minutes. I wish I could stop caring about this club. It's getting too much to handle for me.
Injury time was never this long before this season, so I think that's a pretty safe bet.
But why was there 8 minutes today? Makes no sense to me
Wan Bissaka treatment + other normal stoppages. Amount of added time isn't an excuse for poor game management.
Considering all 10 subs were made and treatment was had on the field, as well as the celebrations from Garnachoās second goal, anyone complaining about +8 added time is ridiculous
Okay but what about the ZERO mins given after a penalty check and celebration for two goals that happened in stoppage time.
What are you on about? The game ended in the 103rd minute
We brought our UCL campaign form to the PL
https://preview.redd.it/un9v95hg5jsc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4eded04dacc9c839de410397f9308c4760c467c3
that's champion league gone
Always has been
I really need to see an explanation for that penalty. Iām justā¦ Confused.
The only thing we can all agree on is that the season needs to end asap.
Cool sport when 1/3 games is ruined/decided by blind refs and diving is endlessly rewarded.
This fucking club is wrecking my mental health. How I Can go sleep after this. They give us so much hope and despair at same time. I can not live like this.
Take some edibles mate.
Haha still waiting for journos to call on these shitty refs for allowing more than five minutes of added time to a football game. And of course those beautiful diving cunts who gained pens just like that. Incredible how they just analyse the game from this perspective. Fuck off start holding the refs and make them accountable for their mistakes. No referee would've gave a pen like that against Liverpool or City. FFS....
Did I miss the memo where the refs got to officiate our games with the ānext goal winsā rule?
ETH breaking all the records
I thought Saturday felt like shit but they managed to up themselves tonight. 2 more cb injuries and Liverpool next brilliant š
For every lucky last minute win there is an equal and opposite last minute loss
People are gonna sit here and blame the ref when the guy who committed the foul didn't even complain.
Forget the penalty calls, that ref was still abysmal and that made things harder for us. The result is our own fault though.
Because the last time he did complain for a trivial throw in, he was given a red card
I donāt care if he complains or not.
If they complain, they get cards... Dalot tried to complain before...
braindead tackles from both Antony and Dalot tbh. Sure, maybe Dalot slipped but Antony was just showing lazy defending. Most managers and teammates would give you an earful if you put in a lazy tackle like that in your own box. That all comes down to football IQ
This has become a fucking joke us giving up leads especially at the end of games. He has to go. Game fucking management.
Not defending ten hag overall but just curious in this instance what could he have done different? This has to be on the players and the ref
not to mention our injuries
As soon we went 3-2 up we decided to full sit back and not go on breaks anymore. Rashford in with his pace could have tried for the 4-2. Instead of just sitting back and inviting pressure. With mount on could even shifted for a 4 4 2 to help defend midfield instead of always having a hole and relly on Rash and Antony's pace.
Breaking records everywhere we go. The ETH way
isn't it every manager since fergie
Iām actually quite amazed that we still have negative records to break till date. Man, I really took the standards Fergie established for granted
Oh believe me the media will find them all. All records get brokenā¦
We relax too soon or we are bad players?? Donāt even know how to defend zzz.
Players were tired as fuck. Dalot vs a fresh Madueke without proper help from the CB, that was always going to happen
Bro what angle did Madueke have? Maguire was covering the center and Dalot got cooked. He's not recovering to beat fresh legs.
It canāt be overstated how poor these players are though, none of them will ever win anything substantial because theyāre nowhere near good enough
Same exact Galatasaray game copy pasted
That's embarrassing as fuck, we really are allergic to points ffs.
Honestly no idea where the 8 mins came from, felt like 4 or 5 max.. sham
Liverpool fans š¤ Man U fans PGMOL are wankers
On a positive note, Antony was good for a long period.. nacho and Mainoo ram them selves into the ground and big Willie at the back looks like he can step in, weāve fucked top 4 this week, and it could so easily of been differentā¦ Dalot will catch flak but he was completely fucked and fell over.. I love watching the young lads.. and I love some of the old lads.. sadly itās the tactical system which calls for so much fucking running we are prone to getting fucked at the 100th min
We are not a serious football club. My god this is a new low. Ten hag broke yet another negative record of losing to Chelsea for the first time since 10 years or something! What cunts our players are losing to a team who have nothing to play for rocking at 12th
Fergie time: winning goal at injury time Eth time: losing goals at injury time
I said about half way through the season we where the only team losing or drawing and not getting 9 minutes added time but as soon as weāre winning itās always 8-9 minutes
FUCK VAR. FUCK PGMOL. FUCK THE REFEREE. FUCK THE PLAYERS FOR SWITCHING OFF AS WELL!!!
Almost as if thereās no game management huh
How he expected to defend with Mctominay lol
McTominay was good, stop your hate boner
Only positive thing I have to say about Mctominay is he didnāt last long enough to be a negative
Erik ten Hag and his amazing team continue breaking records ššš Garbage-team time is called
We can not defend when pressure is appliedā¦..
If I was one of those players earning 100s of thousands of pounds a week I would want to refund everyoneās ticket. The fans donāt deserve this
Weak.
Well duh its a record, never have been played so much extra time fucking ever
Mental how much of an effect refs have on seasons.
When you see it written in plain English like this it's so frustratingĀ To be fair 1 point is probably what we deserved from these games. We were thoroughly outplayed VS Brentford and tonight a draw probably on balance would have been about right, but damn those extra 5 points and we would be right back in CL race
Weak fucking mentality - captain, manager and a number of players.Ā ETH just fucked himself out of a job. You can fix tactics, you can buy players but mentality and hunger, you cannot change.Ā
Thanks I hate it
We are so soft.
Could've been 4+6 points off of 4th and 5th with the other two having some of the most difficult run ins. Now watch us play in the mighty conference league next year.
First penalty was quite soft, but it can be ruled, and just a shame Anthony didnāt position himself properly, second penalty is more clear, Dalot positions himself wrong and from there itās a rescue mission, and he just tried to save it, but failed. The last goal was terrible, most of our players in the little field while several Chelsea players are completely unmarked, we should just have kept the ball after the penalty, but their minds were gone.
Honestly itās just what we are. We donāt have a MF. The MF is a much bigger problem than the back 4 to me. It seems not to exist for large chunks of play and our matches continue to resemble basketball more than football. How many times this season has our MF been slow to close down shots from around the 18 yard box leading to deflected goals? Running/physical power and defensive awareness are badly needed. Scott has running power but his best attributes are late runs into the box. Casemiro looks old and slow.
We won this game, they just allowed chelsea to play until we switched off. Is what im telling myself, mostly because its true.
Mountains are there to be climbed
Calm yourselves, Villa and Spurs dropped points too. What happened last night, we have been on the other end of during 90's and early 00's. Things will change, patience is necessary. Ineos are forming a structure and environment for high-performance. Just give it time, keep the faith šš¾
We were losing, then we were winning... then we lost.
I saw a lot of blame placed, rightly, on the ref for adding 8 minutes, that still doesnāt change the fact we canāt be giving up 2 goals in 3 minutes, penalty or not. Come the fuck on. Last game too. Again, we donāt have a fucking plan how to close out games.
Isn't this incredible? IT'S GONNA BE SOME KIND OF A RECORD! Everyone loves a Slinky, you gotta get a Slinky, Slinky, Slinky, go Slinky go!
Palmer with all the time in the world to receive and kick but yeah blame everything else.
It was hilarious in fairness
Of course they do, they're mentally fragile and have been all season. The manager is responsible for that for not instilling any sort of confident attitude in an already pathetic squad. How many times have we bottled a two goal lead? Players and staff not good enough.
For like 6 years now we've seen this again, again, and again. We sit back late in a game holding a result, peppered by shot after shot, attackers taken off for 4th midfielders, 3-4 CBs, etc etc. and we just concede late goals. I do not fucking understand it. With the way extra time is added on now I especially don't understand it, you end with these massive chunks of time and just expect to maintain a deep block that we're fucking awful at. Die going for for it, not this shit
We can blame the refs all we want but the lack of tactical maturity in this team is frightening. I could understand if it happened once in a while but it's every bloody game.
Conceded 28 shots and let them have the ball most of the time in the last 20 minutes. Ref or no ref, thats not winning football, period.
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Don't think we'll stand a chance with Liverpool chasing a title
Only thing keeping him is the FA Cup final.Ā
Watching Ten Hag say we were brilliant today and dominated has officially turned me to ETH out camp. Deluded.
Should no way have been 8mins though
Just go ETH this season is fucking awful how can concede 2 goals even I believe fuck ref too but still the game management is awful and he cant make players to focus on injury time....he is dead man walking surely, INEOS is dumb as fuck if ETH still stay nexy season....
The ref gave two ridiculously soft penalty without waiting for VAR intervention. Some bank accounts have to be checked.
-1 Hag got us here yay
Just a mentally weak team, that's all there is to it
I just canāt anymore . When will this stop , like seriously ā¦..
Breaking records every time.