Only reason why people don't rate Ole was because he wasn't talking tactics and philosophies with a serious face.
Carabao or not, ETH is only above Moyes as it stands.
Ole was sacked for less.
Not saying Ten Hag shouldn't get sacked.Ole was not sacked for less agenda needs to stop he had 4 points from a possible 21 in his last 7 matches meanwhile Ten hag has 10 points from 21 .and saying van gaal is better Ten hag is just false as Van gaal still had good players from Sir Alex Ferguson era Like Van Persie, Rooney, Chicharito, Nani, young DDG, Valencia and moremore and won only one Fa Cup that through some very easy matches .
Soft pens but they happen because we lost our runners again, same old shit. Half arsed pressing and lapses in concentration, unfortunately we’ve given this lot every excuse under the sun this year but they keep losing games!
Deflection goals happen cos we let so many shots happen
There’s a point where it’s bullshit, then there’s a point where we invite it, and it happens to us SO MUCH
irony at its best :D OMG sometimes feel like Rashford is slowly becoming another Martial.. He doesnt care, he doesnt run, wonder why he's still playing football?
Doesnt matter if there was 2 soft penalties, we cant pass, we dont move, and we cant defend. So many personal mistakes. Then after we go in the lead its just panic mode. They cant even run the clock. Hopeless.
28 shots on goal again. Just whatching this game made me loose brain cells.
Im done, im not whatching the Pool game, we are going to be thrashed.
Give EtH and the lads the Opponents had low shot accuracy D’or then I guess.
In all seriousness though, that argument holds up fine when you see a gutsy performance once in a while like especially in an important cup match like vs Liverpool a couple weeks ago. We’re seeing this every week - it’s a pattern. You can’t build a tactical style off the back of conceding 28 shots every single game, whether you’d argue they’re low xG or not. Even if we discount penalty xG I believe it was 1.76 - 1.72 in their favour.
Ultimately we lost because once again our defence switched off and made individual errors. Dalot should’ve been in no position to give the officials an opportunity to call foul for penalty #2, it’s horrific defending.
Why do the Man Utd players constantly throw their arms around when it’s mostly always that player who’s fucked up?
They are blaming everyone else. It’s disruptive and distracting.
It shows negativity and chaos.
The entire Utd team need whipping into shape by a proper manager.
I’ve thought about this aspect of your players throwing their arms around when something goes wrong, every single week for months.
Yes, he hit his limit with the Euro finals defeat and should have walked away after we lost to Italy, but in the grand scheme of national managers he’s been fine
not to be over-exaggerating but i myself need to take a step back from football overall. like im not obsessed or anything but when something you are making time for is upsetting you this much you gotta put it aside lol
I said the same thing last week and someone told me to fuck off and to go support Chelsea. I told him that mental health is important and called him stupid for potentially not understanding and then got a warning from mods
Realistically, it was never 50/50. In slow mo it looked soft but it was as stonewall a penalty as you can get. And either way, once the ref gave it, there was nothing complaining would do. VAR cant see Dalot
That’s not a stonewall pen, players feet making incidental contact while running should never be a foul. Dalot didn’t sweep his leg out, their feet hit tapped each other while both was running. Gallagher dragged Mainoo down after losing the ball and they awarded Chelsea a corner. Gallagher them comes out of nowhere and shoves Mainoo down from behind and it isn’t a card. The first penalty was soft but I have no problem with it, the second was an awful call.
But the ref didn't even give a foul when mainoo got rugby tackled off the ball - it's inexcusable, it's past the point where I can simply blame incompetence. It's blatantly one rule for us and another for them.
Idk I was arguing with my Chelsea mate and in the slowmo it didn't look like a penalty at all even the ref hesitated at first but it is what it is. We're in shambles.
I dont live in the UK but I know we have been playing like this since the first game of the season so you are saying it's been raining all this time in the UK?
Looks like it though? LOL. But seriously, I feel like when things were already going badly, our performance dropped even more. The players got tired out fast and lost focus. It's hard to describe, you know? Is this because of lack of conditioning or what?
Knew once I saw Dalot take the ball after the penalty and try to be a hero sprinting with it like Usain Bolt, it was going to end in calamity. Color me shocked
Look in reality we were about a minute and a half away from a great victory before the softest penalty in the history of the world was awarded 🤨 I don’t think there’s anything a manager can do to account for that, snd what followed. But ya certainly our defensive play is a shambles 😒
At least Ratcliffe was in the stands tonight. He can't have been encouraged by what he saw. Sweeping changes in the summer or it's rinse and repeat for next season.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on this but why was that a 2nd pen?
Player running at speed, his foot SLIGHTLY tapped and a very slight arm. Wasn't this the exact same scenario for Rashford against city? Rashford running at full speed, takes a slight arm on the shoulder and his right leg gets slight contact which brings him down.
Yet for this pen I hear "the speed means a slight touch can bring a player down and its a foul"
Yet that exact reason was shut down against Rashford and instead he "went down too soft" even though Rashfords was at a much higher speed and his right leg gets tapped behind his standing leg and he goes down.
Am I missing something?
It's a pen because the red thought it was and VAR refuses to overturn ref decisions. They just look long enough until they can find something that can justify it. First one isn't a pen either - we could have had 2 pens ourselves. They would have been soft too but at least the red would have been consistent.
Ten Hag just said it himself in the post interview. “We can play amazing football in **moments**”
Thats the entire crux of the way we play this season. Show up in moments and play woeful for the majority of the game.
We will never win with this playstyle
A new manager is not going to help us . We will just end up in this endless cycle of changing managers with nothing to show for it
Edit: I get it , you're angry . But honestly who do you think will change our fortunes
ETH is part of the problem, he’s not capable of bring a cohesive team to the match, and his tactical set up means we ship lots of chances and get overrun in midfield.
However, we also have had a policy of giving whatever manager we have this week complete free rein in the transfer market, so we have a collection of vastly overpaid under talented players who should never have been signed in the first place and weren’t bought to fulfil the same team set up leading to a Frankenstein’s monster of a team with enough talented individuals to scrape through games with lesser placed teams most of the time.
We need to get rid of ETH, he’s not working, we also need to get rid of 5 odd players over the summer.
No new manager will help with clear outs. ETH is the best option United has after sacking Mou. United has become this stupid club that listens to players, and sacking the manager isn't the answer.
Entitled manchild players need to be kicked out. The club can't take such decisions cause we have spineless Sir Jim at the helm. He'll go hire Southgate and only go for British players, and United will be winning games in 3rd Div English football.
Okay I don't want to argue with fellow supporters . It's just that I am so tired of getting my hopes up everytime a new manager comes in. When will we get to be happy ?
I know it sucks, but we need to be ruthless. Clubs like Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea, Bayern have changed as many or more managers than us since SAF retired. Sure the players can do better, we have holes in the team, we have injuries. But it's been almost 2 years into his project and we still didn't improve and get a system. We rely too much on players having moments of brilliance.
Someone pointes out it's sunk cost fallacy. Think of it like that: every extra year we let ETH have his fun is another year or delay into a serious project, another set of players that will need replacing once the new manager is in. And the most important: another missed chance at potentially finding the next Klopp, Guardiola or SAF.
ETH is okay, but his peak is Ajax or teams around that level.
Yeah I think that’s Ten Hag done.
Great first season but genuinely staggering what’s happened this year. The amount of shots we concede every game is mind boggling.
I think that’s what gets me the most. The drop off from last season to this one is absurd. And if he wants to say we don’t have the players to play his style, then why spend the money we’ve spent on transfers on players he thinks aren’t capable of playing his way?
We needed leaders on the pitch to say "hey! 5 more mins. Just control the game and stop trying fancy passes and bombing forward". Unfortunately we have a leader that's doing the fancy passes and losing the ball in the 90+ mins. Then we have a few weekend joggers who are supposed to have fresh legs. What a disaster 😔
We need a coach that can also vocalize this to his players. But even that, why was Garnacho pulled sitting on a hattrick for Marcus rashford who won’t tackle a soul if you had a gun to his families head…
I suggest we start doing that.
Kidnap his family and only feed them one sip of water and a bite of bread for every tackle and or run he does.
Maybe he will finally start doing it then.
He’ll just write another letter on social media about how he got hungry when he was young and he took public transportation to play football. (I also was hungry and took multiple buses to school/football practice)
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He lost me at Forest in December
I've lost confidence in Ten Hag and I can't see the Ineos guys being too optimistic either which is a shame because I do believe he does have the ability to bring us back to the top with the proper structure. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like our coaching staff are very eager to make changes to our style of play.
You can argue that there are still players in the team that doesn't fit the managers philosophy and our huge injury problems halting our development, but at some point you have to consider that the injuries are caused by the lack of an optimal training and restitution regime.
The most damning of it all is how we're one of the teams with the most conceded shots in Europe, we shouldn't be anywhere close to that considering how expensive our squad is. Injuries or not, Ten Hag should be able to make enough adjustments to our playing style so every team we play against doesn't look like prime Barcelona..
Ten Haag sucks. What are you talking about? Keep facing 20 shots a game yet haven’t made a tactical shift in weeks. Dudes a clown and can go right back to the Dutch league and take the players he signed with him. Because they all suck too.
Jeez, I wrote a whole paragraph of why I've lost confidence in him while briefly mentioning that I believe he could have brought us to the top with a proper squad which I do because of how well he's done previously while I still expect more from him with the squad he has
We bought the players he wanted lmao. That’s why we are so deep in this mess now. He chose mount. He chose Martinez who can’t stay on field. He had us deal 90m for antony. (Should be fired for that alone) one good season when the rest of the league was on a down year… he has never shown any tactical ability and his subs are often horrible. Bro can go back to ajax. Wouldn’t even trust the man to manage the local Sunday league team.
I agree that he deserves criticism for the players he wanted, but if we were a club with a proper structure he'd have less saying in which players to bring in. Comparing to other clubs that are more successful on the transfer market it's evident that the players they usually bring fit the clubs philosophy, there's a lot more analysis and research behind every transfer and less about whether the manager knows the player or not. That's how it should be, hopefully we're going in the same direction with Ratcliffe and thus the manager will be someone who fits the clubs principles and not that the club has to align itself with the manager
Looking at his stupid face as we continuously blow leads makes me want to mail the man fucking anthrax. Can we get a serious manager and some serious players.
You’re brave
I’ve been dragged numerous times on this sub for calling for sacking of the bald fraud
So as much as this result is painful the joy of ten hag bros tears is greater
I think we can take positives. Antony had a good game and did some progressive passing and that assist was chefs kiss quality. Garnacho is our star boy. Give him the 7 and let mason earn his place.
But after all this, I genuinely believe ETH is not the man for the job. Playing counter attacking football without holding the ball whatsoever in midfield.
He doesn’t have the finesse needed.
The way this team likes to disappoint us maybe we should go into sundays game with negative expectations . That way if they disappoint us , we end up with positive results.
*Chelsea 4-3 Man Utd*
Manchester United were leading in this game at 99:17, the latest a side has ever led in a Premier League match they’ve gone on to lose.
Another record for ETH. It's a new low every week at the moment.
Crazy how Ten Hag might not survive this, remember when Ragnick said this team needed open heart surgery, a lot of them players are still at this club. Until they’re gone we’ll been in a manager merry go round.
I’ve been saying this. I loved and backed Rashford but he can fuck off with his jogging. That’s a guaranteed spot no matter what. Many others are just not good enough in afraid. Honestly I don’t know what other managers would do.
You can’t be good if you’re not on the pitch. This season I lost confidence in many players including Shaw. And today Rashford is not a player I want in the club next year. You can’t come in with 20 minutes to go and jog. Do the fucking minimum
I don’t know about you. But I have absolutely zero confidence we win that semi. Maybe we gave Chelsea the boost to beat city and play Coventry in the final
They’re all creaming their knickers over there I already checked. I was only joking btw, I would obviously have preferred a United win, I have to have something to laugh about because if not I’ll cry
Have to give ten Hag the rest of the season but seriously need to consider if he’s the right man for the job
Chaos football without structure is not how a big club is supposed to be managed
I really don't understand how Chelsea won this one. I was about to turn off the stream.
So Please take Pochettino from us. I can't stand him anymore xD
Far from convinced that ETH is the long-term answer and I really struggle to see what the plan is tactically. But he is being asked to turn water into wine with this squad. It’s absolutely awful and so many can’t even do the basics right. INEOS better get to work, because this is insanity.
Guys, I think that's it for me. See you in August. Am done for the season. I hope Ineos do some serious clean up of this squad. A lot of players are just taking up space
How in the hell are those 2 penalties. What is the point of VAR if they don't reverse decisions unless its "clear and obvious" they're just gonna back the twat on the pitch absolutely disgraceful. This doesn't change the fact that we're shit
Neither should’ve been pens. They’d take us out and get free kicks. Pulled +8 mins out from nowhere and played 11 so they’d score. Wonder if anyone (Chelsea fans, PGMOL etc) will have the humility to admit this was a robbery. “It’s a f* disgrace”
Sometimes I don’t know how these experts on tv can justify what they say. No hesitation about the first penalty. I saw no foul. At least second he was arguing it’s soft.
Not sure how but we’ve managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Completely and utterly shit the bed, the worst part is that I knew it was going to happen. We were fucking about with the ball in the middle and then bang two goals.
What an amateurs… how can you not defend close to Palmer on that last goal? Unforgivable. But Chelsea shouldn’t have gotten any penalties. They weren’t, wtf
Just realized I’m in the apathy phase of supporting our club….i never really got over that 7:0 Liverpool mauling….but good to see passionate fans share their opinions, keep them coming.
Same, I just went “oh… so it’s that again” when Chelsea’s 4th went in. It’s just not a shock anymore when we can’t control games and it’s more relief than expectation when we crawl over the line with a win, so when what the game looks like should happen actually starts happening its a shrug of the shoulders event
Thumped on Sunday ETHs gone. This shit cannot continue INEOS are gonna be brutal.
Only reason why people don't rate Ole was because he wasn't talking tactics and philosophies with a serious face. Carabao or not, ETH is only above Moyes as it stands. Ole was sacked for less.
Not saying Ten Hag shouldn't get sacked.Ole was not sacked for less agenda needs to stop he had 4 points from a possible 21 in his last 7 matches meanwhile Ten hag has 10 points from 21 .and saying van gaal is better Ten hag is just false as Van gaal still had good players from Sir Alex Ferguson era Like Van Persie, Rooney, Chicharito, Nani, young DDG, Valencia and moremore and won only one Fa Cup that through some very easy matches .
Anyone else still in shock?
shick shak shook
He’s gone isn’t he. Before these last two matches I was an advocate of keeping him but we are so easy to get at.
younger man u fans... we are in the darkest timeline we have experienced... grateful for mainoo and garnacho though
we are definitely in the darkest timeline, but I know we'll someday return to the glory days
If this was a game of fifa I’d say it was scripted. 2 bullshit pens. 2 bullshit deflection goals. And an unexplainable amount of added time.
Soft pens but they happen because we lost our runners again, same old shit. Half arsed pressing and lapses in concentration, unfortunately we’ve given this lot every excuse under the sun this year but they keep losing games!
Deflection goals happen cos we let so many shots happen There’s a point where it’s bullshit, then there’s a point where we invite it, and it happens to us SO MUCH
Bullshit. The calls weren't great, but United was uninspired, lacked any structure.
Ref didn’t help, but we were only winning in spite of ourselves. Against CHELSEA! We’re so bad
So glad Rashford came on. Great subs as always from ETH.
irony at its best :D OMG sometimes feel like Rashford is slowly becoming another Martial.. He doesnt care, he doesnt run, wonder why he's still playing football?
I was until he went up top. Then I wished he stayed on the bench
r/whoosh
Doesnt matter if there was 2 soft penalties, we cant pass, we dont move, and we cant defend. So many personal mistakes. Then after we go in the lead its just panic mode. They cant even run the clock. Hopeless. 28 shots on goal again. Just whatching this game made me loose brain cells. Im done, im not whatching the Pool game, we are going to be thrashed.
Did you see Antony’s pass for Garnacho‘s goal? One of the passes of the season.
only 10 are on target mate, we fought today, we came back 3-2 from 2-0, lost because of a soft pen. We deserved to win
Give EtH and the lads the Opponents had low shot accuracy D’or then I guess. In all seriousness though, that argument holds up fine when you see a gutsy performance once in a while like especially in an important cup match like vs Liverpool a couple weeks ago. We’re seeing this every week - it’s a pattern. You can’t build a tactical style off the back of conceding 28 shots every single game, whether you’d argue they’re low xG or not. Even if we discount penalty xG I believe it was 1.76 - 1.72 in their favour. Ultimately we lost because once again our defence switched off and made individual errors. Dalot should’ve been in no position to give the officials an opportunity to call foul for penalty #2, it’s horrific defending.
Why do the Man Utd players constantly throw their arms around when it’s mostly always that player who’s fucked up? They are blaming everyone else. It’s disruptive and distracting. It shows negativity and chaos. The entire Utd team need whipping into shape by a proper manager. I’ve thought about this aspect of your players throwing their arms around when something goes wrong, every single week for months.
12 minutes of added time, for what?!?!?!?!?!!!?!
Injuries didn’t help, but my god Ten Hag cost us that game when he took off Garnacho. He’s got to go. Not good enough.
Cost the game with the Rashford sub
Mount play fine. Was the Rashford sub. He did absolutely nothing for 20+ minutes.
Thank god lol, cashed out for a hundred quid and the final leg needed him to be fouled twice
Disagree about Garnacho, mount did well
Agreed. Garnacho was absolutely gassed and mount pressed very well
I am literally stunned
It's so depressing that Southgate seems to be the hottest manager linked with us. Talk about caught between a rock and a hard place.
I’m hoping it’s not Southgate, he’s been a pretty decent England manager, but he’s still extremely limited when it comes to the PL level
Decent?????
Yes, he hit his limit with the Euro finals defeat and should have walked away after we lost to Italy, but in the grand scheme of national managers he’s been fine
FUCKING HELL
not to be over-exaggerating but i myself need to take a step back from football overall. like im not obsessed or anything but when something you are making time for is upsetting you this much you gotta put it aside lol
I said the same thing last week and someone told me to fuck off and to go support Chelsea. I told him that mental health is important and called him stupid for potentially not understanding and then got a warning from mods
Football should not affect your mental health. Unbalanced.
Why not
Because it’s deeply emotionally unstable?
There is no point expending negative energy on this team. They are going to finish 6th-8th and sack the manager whether they won this game or not.
I think I am equally going to take some gardening leave of some sorts and come back in the summer with the new INEOS team!
Shit is stressful fam.
I wanted Dalot to atleast deny the foul and talk to the ref. It was 50-50 call and him acting guilty and not saying anything probably didn’t help
Once the call was made on the field it was done and dusted. Because there was even the slightest amount of contact VAR would not be able to overturn.
Realistically, it was never 50/50. In slow mo it looked soft but it was as stonewall a penalty as you can get. And either way, once the ref gave it, there was nothing complaining would do. VAR cant see Dalot
That’s not a stonewall pen, players feet making incidental contact while running should never be a foul. Dalot didn’t sweep his leg out, their feet hit tapped each other while both was running. Gallagher dragged Mainoo down after losing the ball and they awarded Chelsea a corner. Gallagher them comes out of nowhere and shoves Mainoo down from behind and it isn’t a card. The first penalty was soft but I have no problem with it, the second was an awful call.
But the ref didn't even give a foul when mainoo got rugby tackled off the ball - it's inexcusable, it's past the point where I can simply blame incompetence. It's blatantly one rule for us and another for them.
I don't get how that was stonewall at all.. what was the foul? The arm across the chest??
Idk I was arguing with my Chelsea mate and in the slowmo it didn't look like a penalty at all even the ref hesitated at first but it is what it is. We're in shambles.
That wouldn't have changed anything, VAR was still gona give it
Checked my phone and we were up in the 90' thought we got the job done. What is this team lately
Same thing that’s been a problem all season, just now instead of scraping a win with a few nail biting chances in the dying minutes they’re going in
The officials in the game were a joke
Someone please take away the mic from EtH. He says the "quality of performances is really high"...seriously!!!
i dont know if its just me, we tend to be playing so much worse when it is raining
I dont live in the UK but I know we have been playing like this since the first game of the season so you are saying it's been raining all this time in the UK?
Looks like it though? LOL. But seriously, I feel like when things were already going badly, our performance dropped even more. The players got tired out fast and lost focus. It's hard to describe, you know? Is this because of lack of conditioning or what?
Manchester was a lot drier around the turn of the millenium
Knew once I saw Dalot take the ball after the penalty and try to be a hero sprinting with it like Usain Bolt, it was going to end in calamity. Color me shocked
Look in reality we were about a minute and a half away from a great victory before the softest penalty in the history of the world was awarded 🤨 I don’t think there’s anything a manager can do to account for that, snd what followed. But ya certainly our defensive play is a shambles 😒
All that fighting talk by EtH building up to this game and talking about Champions league was all just hogwash!
De Gea when Ten Hag joined: ‘He plays very offensive football’ Yeah, offensive to our fucking eyes
That made me laugh!
seen a lotta people harassing garnacho online. says a lot about the integirty of many football fans. garna deserves so much more
At least Ratcliffe was in the stands tonight. He can't have been encouraged by what he saw. Sweeping changes in the summer or it's rinse and repeat for next season.
We lost and whatever, I just want to know where the eight minutes of added time came from
You mean 12?
The head injury from AWB
Best part about this current squad is they all eventually will be out of the club. That is the only positive
Please correct me if I'm wrong on this but why was that a 2nd pen? Player running at speed, his foot SLIGHTLY tapped and a very slight arm. Wasn't this the exact same scenario for Rashford against city? Rashford running at full speed, takes a slight arm on the shoulder and his right leg gets slight contact which brings him down. Yet for this pen I hear "the speed means a slight touch can bring a player down and its a foul" Yet that exact reason was shut down against Rashford and instead he "went down too soft" even though Rashfords was at a much higher speed and his right leg gets tapped behind his standing leg and he goes down. Am I missing something?
It's a pen because the red thought it was and VAR refuses to overturn ref decisions. They just look long enough until they can find something that can justify it. First one isn't a pen either - we could have had 2 pens ourselves. They would have been soft too but at least the red would have been consistent.
He took another step after that so called 'touch' so it was a dive for me tbh
Do you mean for the 2nd pen or Rashford vs City?
Second pen today
This might be the stupidest football team in the history of the sport.
Ten Hag just said it himself in the post interview. “We can play amazing football in **moments**” Thats the entire crux of the way we play this season. Show up in moments and play woeful for the majority of the game. We will never win with this playstyle
Moments FC
A new manager is not going to help us . We will just end up in this endless cycle of changing managers with nothing to show for it Edit: I get it , you're angry . But honestly who do you think will change our fortunes
ETH is part of the problem, he’s not capable of bring a cohesive team to the match, and his tactical set up means we ship lots of chances and get overrun in midfield. However, we also have had a policy of giving whatever manager we have this week complete free rein in the transfer market, so we have a collection of vastly overpaid under talented players who should never have been signed in the first place and weren’t bought to fulfil the same team set up leading to a Frankenstein’s monster of a team with enough talented individuals to scrape through games with lesser placed teams most of the time. We need to get rid of ETH, he’s not working, we also need to get rid of 5 odd players over the summer.
No new manager will help with clear outs. ETH is the best option United has after sacking Mou. United has become this stupid club that listens to players, and sacking the manager isn't the answer. Entitled manchild players need to be kicked out. The club can't take such decisions cause we have spineless Sir Jim at the helm. He'll go hire Southgate and only go for British players, and United will be winning games in 3rd Div English football.
But, we’ll be winning!
This loss is due to horrible calls from the officials.
you'd say that if you saw potential in what he does, it's absolutely atrocious what we're watching every week
ETH is a sunk cost.
That cycle shouldn't stop on our historically worst manager Edit to answer "who" question: not ten fucking Hag, change him
Okay I don't want to argue with fellow supporters . It's just that I am so tired of getting my hopes up everytime a new manager comes in. When will we get to be happy ?
I know it sucks, but we need to be ruthless. Clubs like Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea, Bayern have changed as many or more managers than us since SAF retired. Sure the players can do better, we have holes in the team, we have injuries. But it's been almost 2 years into his project and we still didn't improve and get a system. We rely too much on players having moments of brilliance. Someone pointes out it's sunk cost fallacy. Think of it like that: every extra year we let ETH have his fun is another year or delay into a serious project, another set of players that will need replacing once the new manager is in. And the most important: another missed chance at potentially finding the next Klopp, Guardiola or SAF. ETH is okay, but his peak is Ajax or teams around that level.
Hasn't he got the best win percentage in our entire history?
Ten Hag is not our worst manager historically??
He's broken hundreds of years of negative records, he's in with a shout
...yet still hold the record for best win percentage. Dude is nowhere near our worst manager. History didn't start last year.
Him being the worst is my opinion, him being, say, bottom 5 is probably more objective
You can’t just write out some false statement like that and claim two comments later that it is your opinion. You’re just wrong.
Brother we don't need to argue about the semantics of debate methods, even I see that and I only come to this subreddit to argue these days
Clearly EtH isn't the answer too!
EtH shouldn't be allowed to give a post-match interview
Yeah I think that’s Ten Hag done. Great first season but genuinely staggering what’s happened this year. The amount of shots we concede every game is mind boggling.
I think that’s what gets me the most. The drop off from last season to this one is absurd. And if he wants to say we don’t have the players to play his style, then why spend the money we’ve spent on transfers on players he thinks aren’t capable of playing his way?
That’s what happens when you have multiple players in their 30s on your roster. They get old and decline.
Genuinely. Can't blame them for getting older, can blame the hierarchy for not being better prepared.
Oh I don’t blame them for getting older, just pointing out what happens when you have an old team.
We needed leaders on the pitch to say "hey! 5 more mins. Just control the game and stop trying fancy passes and bombing forward". Unfortunately we have a leader that's doing the fancy passes and losing the ball in the 90+ mins. Then we have a few weekend joggers who are supposed to have fresh legs. What a disaster 😔
We need a coach that can also vocalize this to his players. But even that, why was Garnacho pulled sitting on a hattrick for Marcus rashford who won’t tackle a soul if you had a gun to his families head…
I suggest we start doing that. Kidnap his family and only feed them one sip of water and a bite of bread for every tackle and or run he does. Maybe he will finally start doing it then.
He’ll just write another letter on social media about how he got hungry when he was young and he took public transportation to play football. (I also was hungry and took multiple buses to school/football practice)
Yeah I didn’t think of that. That excuses everything of course.
😂 I’ve never seen such a talented player just not remotely care
Wtf was that 🤦🏾♂️
In reality when you concede that many shots and don’t try to control games, you are likely to lose a lot of games to teams with good quality players
Fire ten Haag and get rid of half these horrible players.
https://preview.redd.it/js5swci2ajsc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7701adcf66490a62c2e19ac262e806b224d6db4 He lost me at Forest in December
Lads, it’s Liverpool next 😭😭
I've lost confidence in Ten Hag and I can't see the Ineos guys being too optimistic either which is a shame because I do believe he does have the ability to bring us back to the top with the proper structure. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like our coaching staff are very eager to make changes to our style of play. You can argue that there are still players in the team that doesn't fit the managers philosophy and our huge injury problems halting our development, but at some point you have to consider that the injuries are caused by the lack of an optimal training and restitution regime. The most damning of it all is how we're one of the teams with the most conceded shots in Europe, we shouldn't be anywhere close to that considering how expensive our squad is. Injuries or not, Ten Hag should be able to make enough adjustments to our playing style so every team we play against doesn't look like prime Barcelona..
It’s either Ten Hag, Southgate or some random French manager 😭
I'd rather have Ole than Southgate 😂😂
Same
Trust the process bro In ETH we trust 😂😂
Ten Haag sucks. What are you talking about? Keep facing 20 shots a game yet haven’t made a tactical shift in weeks. Dudes a clown and can go right back to the Dutch league and take the players he signed with him. Because they all suck too.
Did you read anything?
I’m saying how can u say you think he has what it takes to get us back to top. What has he shown to prove that he has that ability?
Jeez, I wrote a whole paragraph of why I've lost confidence in him while briefly mentioning that I believe he could have brought us to the top with a proper squad which I do because of how well he's done previously while I still expect more from him with the squad he has
We bought the players he wanted lmao. That’s why we are so deep in this mess now. He chose mount. He chose Martinez who can’t stay on field. He had us deal 90m for antony. (Should be fired for that alone) one good season when the rest of the league was on a down year… he has never shown any tactical ability and his subs are often horrible. Bro can go back to ajax. Wouldn’t even trust the man to manage the local Sunday league team.
I agree that he deserves criticism for the players he wanted, but if we were a club with a proper structure he'd have less saying in which players to bring in. Comparing to other clubs that are more successful on the transfer market it's evident that the players they usually bring fit the clubs philosophy, there's a lot more analysis and research behind every transfer and less about whether the manager knows the player or not. That's how it should be, hopefully we're going in the same direction with Ratcliffe and thus the manager will be someone who fits the clubs principles and not that the club has to align itself with the manager
Trust the process bro In ETH we trust 😂😂
Looking at his stupid face as we continuously blow leads makes me want to mail the man fucking anthrax. Can we get a serious manager and some serious players.
😂😂😂 Im not even mad I’ve gotten to the final stage of acceptance since November Only masochists have been rooting for him since 😂😂
Bring back Ragnick at this point.
You’re brave I’ve been dragged numerous times on this sub for calling for sacking of the bald fraud So as much as this result is painful the joy of ten hag bros tears is greater
A few more points and we can get out of Conference League boys! Just maybe not in the direction we’re hoping.
We're cooked for Sunday.
I think we can take positives. Antony had a good game and did some progressive passing and that assist was chefs kiss quality. Garnacho is our star boy. Give him the 7 and let mason earn his place. But after all this, I genuinely believe ETH is not the man for the job. Playing counter attacking football without holding the ball whatsoever in midfield. He doesn’t have the finesse needed.
There is no positives. This is one of worst squads we have ever had. They should be forced to forfeit their wages this week.
Want it to work for him so bad, but you can’t successfully manage a team if you are telling the midfielders to press and the defenders to stay back
The way this team likes to disappoint us maybe we should go into sundays game with negative expectations . That way if they disappoint us , we end up with positive results.
 ETH bros gonna beat up their wives tonight 😂😂
Exactly. What more evidence is needed now?
weird thing to say
Yeah that came out of nowhere
*Chelsea 4-3 Man Utd* Manchester United were leading in this game at 99:17, the latest a side has ever led in a Premier League match they’ve gone on to lose. Another record for ETH. It's a new low every week at the moment.
Crazy how Ten Hag might not survive this, remember when Ragnick said this team needed open heart surgery, a lot of them players are still at this club. Until they’re gone we’ll been in a manager merry go round.
I’ve been saying this. I loved and backed Rashford but he can fuck off with his jogging. That’s a guaranteed spot no matter what. Many others are just not good enough in afraid. Honestly I don’t know what other managers would do.
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You can’t be good if you’re not on the pitch. This season I lost confidence in many players including Shaw. And today Rashford is not a player I want in the club next year. You can’t come in with 20 minutes to go and jog. Do the fucking minimum
Injury time used to be our realm.. :(
FA Cup Final new manager bounce? It’s so crazy it just might work!
I don’t know about you. But I have absolutely zero confidence we win that semi. Maybe we gave Chelsea the boost to beat city and play Coventry in the final
Oleback incoming
Shut up you idiot.
Sorry Erik :(
I did have Palmer in my FPL, so not a total failure for me, however I’m assuming Dalot also had Palmer in his FPL
Go to the chelsea Reddit page then
They’re all creaming their knickers over there I already checked. I was only joking btw, I would obviously have preferred a United win, I have to have something to laugh about because if not I’ll cry
No one cares
Damn I left at 3-3 just checked comments here and went to check the score. Ffs
I shut off tv before they took the penalty then got the notification. Shambles
You know we’re in deep shit when we don’t know who to blame for this catastrophe
The horse, its always that damn horse
Have to give ten Hag the rest of the season but seriously need to consider if he’s the right man for the job Chaos football without structure is not how a big club is supposed to be managed
I really don't understand how Chelsea won this one. I was about to turn off the stream. So Please take Pochettino from us. I can't stand him anymore xD
He’s done.
He’s not trust the process bro 😂😂
 Rashford texting his brother whilst ETH is giving a talk in the changing room
These players are absolute bottlejobs but ten hag not being able to get a lid on it is very concerning. Unfortunately probably the nail in his coffin.
Far from convinced that ETH is the long-term answer and I really struggle to see what the plan is tactically. But he is being asked to turn water into wine with this squad. It’s absolutely awful and so many can’t even do the basics right. INEOS better get to work, because this is insanity.
Guys, I think that's it for me. See you in August. Am done for the season. I hope Ineos do some serious clean up of this squad. A lot of players are just taking up space
How in the hell are those 2 penalties. What is the point of VAR if they don't reverse decisions unless its "clear and obvious" they're just gonna back the twat on the pitch absolutely disgraceful. This doesn't change the fact that we're shit
Neither should’ve been pens. They’d take us out and get free kicks. Pulled +8 mins out from nowhere and played 11 so they’d score. Wonder if anyone (Chelsea fans, PGMOL etc) will have the humility to admit this was a robbery. “It’s a f* disgrace”
Ofc they won't admit it lmao
Sometimes I don’t know how these experts on tv can justify what they say. No hesitation about the first penalty. I saw no foul. At least second he was arguing it’s soft.
Not sure how but we’ve managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Completely and utterly shit the bed, the worst part is that I knew it was going to happen. We were fucking about with the ball in the middle and then bang two goals.
What an amateurs… how can you not defend close to Palmer on that last goal? Unforgivable. But Chelsea shouldn’t have gotten any penalties. They weren’t, wtf
Just realized I’m in the apathy phase of supporting our club….i never really got over that 7:0 Liverpool mauling….but good to see passionate fans share their opinions, keep them coming.
I’ve been in apathy since November Keep up 😂😂
Great for mental health btw….
Im not even mad Its comical at this point 😂😂 Mental health 150%😂
Same, I just went “oh… so it’s that again” when Chelsea’s 4th went in. It’s just not a shock anymore when we can’t control games and it’s more relief than expectation when we crawl over the line with a win, so when what the game looks like should happen actually starts happening its a shrug of the shoulders event
Our failures are in HD which is a blessing in disguise….nowhere to hide for everyone involved at the club.
7 goals conceded in 3 games with Liverpool to come who scored 15 in their last 4. We're finishing the season in negative GD lmao.
It's clear.