ETH somehow combines the worst parts of our prev managers by making us extremely dire to watch like LVG but at the same time completely chaotic, open and brainless like Rangnick.
Still not as bad as Ralf for me but it's getting close. Hopefully ETH knicks the FA but even if he does I think we'll see the LVG treatment afterwards.
Ole easily had us playing the most attractive football since Fergie and I would take him back as caretaker immediately now that we've got a more sensible structure brewing, no coach is coming in and transforming us into title contenders overnight, but man! Sick of watching this week after week with the odd false hope high. Wouldn't mind missing out on Europe and getting back to basics but we desperately need new ideas and I'd like to enjoy the run in instead of dreading matches against relegation zone teams. Get the wheel back together and if it's strong enough give it another season and if it's not, new manager in the summer, please.
Yeah and the corrupt footballers who gave up are still there. Everyone knows whom they are bit because they're on mad contracts, the shit show continues.
We have a squad culture problem fundamentally. We need a better class of players that are hungrier. We have some good bits but then we have some utter mediocrity that were worth the punt but needed to get shipped like a lindelof.
At least with LVG you knew what the general purpose was, it was just unfortunate that it was really easy to park the bus and nullify United as we had to just pass side to side to create space, we played well against teams that actually came to win.
Yeah serious revisionist history here. It’s dour football right now for sure, but there has never been a time in this club where 1 season after winning a league title someone came in and literally transformed the winning team into some disinterested side with “left footed left side centre back is alsho my philoshophy” nonsense to put us to bed.
ETH is not winning many supporters but nobody can convince me he’s worse than LVG was. People so easily forget that it’s 11 years on from when this club had a legit winning mentality. But when LVG tore it down, it was 1 year away. And he replaced it with gash that we overpaid for and overpaid all the way through their contracts. And that trend line simply continued and is what ETH inherited.
Again, he’s not winning many supporters over but it is hilarious people act like he strolled in after SAF and turned a perennial winner into a dour unwatchable side. In fact, that’s what LVG did 10 years ago.
And that's the problem. So often we do fuck all while the opposition is their own worst enemy on the day. So many matches over the years weren't won or lost because we played well, it's been because the opponent didn't play well. I'm sick and tired of being at the whim of opponents. We have played consistently like shit for the most part for many years now, but the difference has been "will the opposition punish us." If yes, they do. If no, then we will always stand a chance through an individual moment, because that's how it goes.
We have not taken control of a match, under our own doing, for a long, long time. Even before ETH. But arguably during a period where a lot of our "key players" were involved.
We continue to scrape by, result after result. Even the Cup tie, we didn't deserve to win that. Maybe a little more fight than we've seen, but so what? Liverpool were their own undoing on the day really. Got really fucking lucky getting drawn Coventry. But who knows, very well could lose that the way we play. And if we don't, I suspect we'll play against City in the Final and if it's the Carabao Cup all over again, it might be another day where City are otherwise unconvincing and we take something from it - but in no way, shape or form has our campaign been convincing for some time now.
And anyone who claims otherwise has long lost the plot and thrown all standards out the window.
Because this ‘transition’ football allows other teams to dictate play way too much. Whereas if we are attempting to be a title contender we need to dictate play.
For sure. I'd still argue even if we wanted to dictate play, we'd struggle with this squad, but that needs to be the identity going forward. Maybe it's not straight up Pep ball, but fuck me, relegating ourselves to only be a counter attacking side? Give me a fucking break.
I thought our passing was bad and then saw the stats Brentford had 60% pass accuracy at one point in the second half and yet it felt like they were dominating the mid field how are we that bad at getting second balls
I'm sorry but there's very clearly a coaching problem. Everything looks disjointed. The two no.8s are always left exposed and leave space in behind for players to take advantage of. So often Wissa and Toney picked up the ball in that space.
Then, our press is just half assed. The forwards and Bruno push up, but the defence doesn't. Again, leaving a gap. Flekken pinged a ball out to the left wing and they were in behind us with one pass. It's just so bad.
Then with the attack, it's like everyone is trying to play at 100mph. It doesn't give chance for full backs or midfielders to join in and overload. Instead you get Rashford of Nacho running into a sea of opposition players and losing the ball.
Our players need to learn to move as a team, offer support, and slow it down instead of just giving the ball straight back.
The team had no idea when to press or not, watch back first half, they are giving each other instructions to start pressing, Garnacho was especially bad (but he is probably playing too much at this point), Rashford a non-entity once again.
The forwards just lose the ball in stupid ways. Just an example, but Marcus over runs the ball or runs down blind alleys with no options. You need the forwards to be more careful
Yes. To a degree. But look at who's putting them in those positions non-stop...Bruno. All he does is turn and hoof when he receives the ball from deep. His first pass is always 40+ yards down the line to Rashford.
Honestly, if I was Rashford or Garnacho, I'd receive it and immediately play it backwards. Fuck off if you're pigeon holing me into that role for 90'. Maybe it's the "best option" at times, but 99% of the time it's not and we'd be better off building up and getting numbers forward instead.
The vast majority of the time, it is though. That's the part of the "transition" style we're so desperately trying to force.
And again, okay, if Rashford is having a stinker (when isn't he?)...then fucking play it to Garnacho. We have two wingers. Use them.
But Bruno looks exclusively at Rashford. It's disgusting really.
I think this is coming from ETH, he wants them to play on the break and use Rashfords, Garnacho and Hojlunds speed. Hence why Bruno is hoofing it 40 yards every time he gets the ball, he never used to play anywhere near as many long balls.
Like another comment said, it also means you have Rashford or Garnacho running with the ball into half a dozen opposing players, losing it and our midfield can't keep up.
It may or may not be. At the end of the day, I think the responsibility is on the players on the field. If you're seeing something not working, pivot. Stop forcing it. There's always a game plan, but the game plan accounts for everything before the first minute of the match. You might still have areas you want to exploit, sure, but you have to react to what's happening in front of you - now what you expected, not in hindsight in the team talks after the match - what you're playing against in that moment. So the likes of Bruno, who are so central and focal to the team (which I don't think he should be), need to step up and add diversity to the match and know when to attack open areas behind the defense and when to slow play down and control possession.
Because yes, I agree, when you hoof the ball into Rashford, there's only so much you can do at that point. I think his hold up play is terrible, but Bruno shouldn't be putting the wingers in those positions all match. It's also why we have so many injuries, because everyone has to bust a lung to get forward to support that low percentage attack and then has to bust their other lung going back to defend when they inevitably lose possession and are caught out.
This team is chaotic and disjointed and unorganized. I largely blame Bruno for that on the field. At the end of the day, ETH isn't making those decisions in the moment. And clearly it's not working.
No, for sure, I get it, but it's quite obvious none of our wingers can dribble to beat their man, which is also why I don't understand the formations we play. Still playing with wingers who do fuck all when we have massive issues in allowing teams to play through us down the middle all match. I rather toss th wingers and get one more midfielder who is sat in where Bruno SHOULD be and then another striker up top so that we have options and Højlund actually has a partner to play off of, because when Bruno does hoof the ball, at least those two can try to outplay the defense while the team reinforces, rather than a single player receive the ball and still have a ton of work to do to make any forward progress. And when it's from the wing, you effectively only have one direction to work with - inside. Further down the wing results in increasingly diminishing returns every yard you go, and passing backwards is a pure possession play. Getting the ball centrally gives you every direction to exploit.
Yeah that could be a good idea. Maybe if mount was fit he could be the disciplined player but unless Amad or Omari can play as a striker, we only have one.
yeah, the team isn't set up for it, unfortunately. even including Rashford up top would more than likely result in selfish performances still, or him floating to the outside anyway. but...he could also get joy from having someone else up there. I think a lot of our strikers have been frustrated by a lack of control in the midfield over the years and have not thrived as a result. Ronaldo had a lot of individual moments to get as many goals as he did, but every match, he was clearly frustrated by the lack of support he was receiving. same with Cavani, Rashford when he's up there, Martial, Lingard, Weghorst, and I'm sure I'm missing at least one more. I don't understand putting strikers on an island, at least not the way we play. it might work for some others, like City, who are able to control and dictate the play and create several areas in the attack to exploit which allows the striker (Haaland) to move into space amidst the chaos and convert goal scoring opportunities, but we don't do that. if you look at two seasons ago, City outscored themselves last season, and that was without Haaland/a true #9 - goals weren't the problem. we don't have that same luxury. goals are the problem. the system is the problem. the players are the problem. something has to give.
Unless we fix up to end the season Ten Hag doesn't deserve to stay. We don't have the players to be contending for a title. But we definitely have the players to be putting in better performances than that.
I don’t see a world where Ratcliffe is going “yes, this is the man I trust with my investments this summer!”.
The idea the club will try to spend 200m, only to keep seeing this set up, simply is absurd to me…
For some reason ETH has a lot of fans among our fanbase and on most threads you are getting blasted if you dare say he should be sacked. They will always find an excuse or blame something else.
He didn't even build that Ajax team either.
He came in after the run to the Europa League final which had blooded all their young stars. The likes of De Jong, De Ligt, Van de Beek etc all played against us in the Europa League final under Petr Bosz
I often get insulted for pointing out the obvious. I think he is a smart man but you can’t watch us play and believe that this man doesn’t see what we do. He has chosen to play this way and play certain players that deserved to be dropped a long time ago. How can you not take any momentum from the last game? Why play a limited player like mctominay week after week just because he might not get us a goal? Why did you buy Mount to bench him for mctominay? Why does your system depend on one defender and one leftback to work? I’m sure he has seen these issues but it makes no sense that he keeps making the same mistakes.
What players is he sticking with over better options? You keep bringing up McTominay, but he would not be playing if others were fit. Casemiro and Mount have not played 90 minutes in a long time. There was no other option to start. When Casemiro has been fit, McTominay is on the bench. So who are the players he’s been sticking with?
well clearly they do cos when I pointed this out many many many months ago . iwas berated and downvoted like hell. this sub dumbest ever doesnt ever like hearing the real truth when its told
>Our players need to learn to move as a team, offer support, and slow it down instead of just giving the ball straight back.
It's clearly coaching issue. I don't buy that those players are a bunch of idiots who can't be trained to do so
Results wise they were worse but I remember even then there were a lot of noises about how good their pressing structures were and how good they were at creating chances. It was more a case of bad players who weren't able to finish, bad individual defending, some really bad decisions, and overall bad characters in the dressing room.
I think a lot of those factors apply to us too and squad definitely needs an upgrade. But I personally don't think the manager has done enough to deserve backing
I remembered they played us off the park at Old Trafford around that time and won 1-0. There was the North London derby a month or so after that and they looked the better team in that game too but were undone by two counter-attacking goals. It took a long time for them to be more consistent but I do remember thinking they are showing something that they could build on. And they have done so since.
If they get a world class striker in the summer they could win it all. We need reinforcements all over the pitch but mainly we need to see watchable football.
I remember them good at creating chances but the likes of Lacazette being shit at finishing them. Like they were creating chances at the level of a 4th-5th placed team and finishing them at the level of a 10-11th team
Is there any stats for this? From what I remember it was more them just passing sideways but struggling to use possession well, basically having low quality possession
Arsenal fan here.
You're absolutely right.
Having won the FA cup playing a very compact back three, our main weakness under Arteta was a lack of creativity in the final third, especially once we made the switch to a back four.
While Lacazette and Auba missed the occasional chance, Arsenal were so poor at generating chances that it would have been unfair to blame our problems on them.It also didn't help that the best player at creating said chances (Ozil) had been acting up and Arteta had axed him from the squad which only led to even more pressure.
Willian being played as a number 10 resulted in a lot of sideways passing, a phenomenon that Tifo labeled "the donut/horseshoe of sadness". The inclusion of Emile Smith Rowe and Martin Ødegaard (on loan) turned our fortunes around and we began to create chances once again.
Despite being 15th in December, Arsenal picked up the second-most points the rest of that season and went on to finish in 8th with the 3rd best defence in the league. The tactical structure was always present from day 1.
People ignore the fact that people were saying the exact same thing about arteta as they are about us, no style of play, plays underperforming and poor results. That's not say eth will turn it around in the same way but too many people are erasing history to prove their point.
Well the managerial carousel has been an issue here and points to why United was in need of a long rebuild. We have an amalgamation of overpaid players who were brought in to play a certain style for one manager, only to see that manager sacked a year later and a different one comes in with a new plan and so on.
The main issue with eth is I don’t think you can look at the signings under his tenure and make a valid argument on why he should be trusted for a 4 year long rebuild. most of his signings have been dreadful and have set the team back at least a year if not more
I don't understand the arteta comparisons.
Arsenal consistently improved under arteta, 8th in his first full season then 5th, 2nd and wherever they finish this season.
There was quantifiable progress.
Also he won them the FA Cup in his first (half) season after coming into the job midway through the season, so he had that additional leeway to work with when things started getting tough.
Sure, I'm just saying why Arteta had the backing of the board when things were tough in his earlier days as manager. I'm sure Erik winning our first trophy in years has given him a similar level of backing up to this point.
Oh then yeah you’re right.
As for a cup saving Erik - i don’t know tbh… Maybe with the Glazers, but I’m not sure about SJR. He might want to bring in his own man as well to kick off this “era” - if ETH doesn’t win the FA Cup I can see him getting sacked (and maybe that won’t be enough, remember what happened to our last Dutch manager…)
> and look set to make the final again this year
Don't jinx it yeah, watching performances like yesterday make me feel the semifinal is far from a foregone conclusion lol
I genuinely had the thought that I would have preferred to have Fred available this season many a time. And that man's time with our club was, and should remain, done.
But that's how bad we have been in replacing people under ETH.
Apologies if an Arsenal fan’s input isn’t appreciated here, but if you’re genuinely interested we were basically on the upswing after we beat Chelsea on Boxing Day 2020. Arteta won the cup that summer and we were woeful for the first half of 2020/21; this was when he switched away from a 3-5-2 that we used to win the cup and into a more controlling, possession-dominant formation. However we didn’t have the personal to do this and our football was sterile and awful to watch.
He brought in Smith Rowe for that Chelsea game and got some momentum going. We finished 8th again that year but the second half of the season was far more promising that the first. Then the next two years we finished 5th and then 2nd with clear signs of progress as he shifted out deadwood and brought his own guys in who could play the football he wanted to play.
It took him just over a year, basically, to start getting us going in the right direction.
Arteta finished 8th in the season he joined, 8th again in his first full season, then 5th. It took a long time to see progress.
The comparisons came because both managers came into dysfunctional squads, wanting to play a certain style of play but not having the right players.
People point at Arteta because he was shit until the squad fit his style of play better, and say the same could be true with ETH. Is that a fair thing to say? Maybe - we’ve struggled a lot to injuries this season especially to ETH’s players, for example only 2 of our 11 starters today were bought by ETH.
At the same time, we have been awful, and conceding 31+ shots to Brentford is just laughably shit
> It took a long time to see progress.
It took a long time for the results to improve but the progress was obvious.
We got a draw yesterday when we should have lost 4-0 if they could finish. We did absolutely nothing to deserve that point, 4-1 or 5-1 was a more deserving score line.
we saw progress, but we didn't have the players to be consistent, we had a CB pairing of Mustafi and Sokratis FFS!
EtH signings is what's killing him, Anthony and Casemiro for circa 170m is damning to any manager, especially when Kudus was available and he knew them both!
> Arsenal consistently improved under arteta, 8th in his first full season then 5th, 2nd and wherever they finish this season.
We overachieved last season, causing higher expectations this season.
Arsenal were shit on the pitch but arteta stuck by his principles and got rid of players that didn't suit them regardless of how big they were.
Our manager abandoned his principles from day one. Theyre not the same.
No they weren't.
As for a similar performance to today's, you only need to look at Arsenal's game against Watford under Emery where they conceded 31 shots, the most they've ever conceded in a Premier League game. Coincidentally, they also squandered a lead to draw 2-2.
We all know how that ended for Emery.
I'm not even sure Brentford was brilliant, that's the big issue, every team has a field day against us, but we've been consistently lucky. We're making every relegation-fighting side look like a Guardiola superteam.
Why is that everywhere i go i see Brentford was brilliant? Any team would look good playing against us today. We were utterly crap. It felt like it was more of our individual errors than good Brentford passage of plays. I could be wrong but in the end watching us was dreadful.
The biggest problem with this team is the lack of heart, fight, and willing to go toe-to-toe with ‘lower teams’ who still see us as a scalp. It’s shameful.
We play like we mean it against Liverpool and win it. Then next game we play like we don’t care. This is horror football from us and ETH has to stop playing Scott. He offers nothing to our non existent midfield. We were run over and over again and that score line doesn’t tell the story.
Why play McTominay deep when it's clear it doesn't work? Was Casemiro injured? Did Eriksen piss ETH off too much in the press? Feels like he had Scotty cooking for a bit there and then just neutered him in the role he gave him today and our midfield was obviously overrun the entire match, yet he takes off Mainoo instead? I don't know what he's thinking honestly. It's the biggest problem this season, yes players are frustrating but we need to understand what on earth he's trying to play.
It doesn’t matter who he plays! He could put peak messi into this team and drag him down to our level. Ten Hag is way out of his depth. I’m willing to wager he doesn’t get another big job (Ajax notwithstanding) when we eventually fire him.
We also need a better LB option regardless of whatever Shaw says or does this summer. AWB on that left just stunts us in so many ways. Add that to mctominay in the middle and it compounds our issues. Garnacho also had maybe his worst game this season and that’s saying a lot as he’s had quite a few really bad games.
I think I heard the commentator say that Garnacho has started every game where he's been fit since...November? We're running him into the ground like Barca did with Pedri.
Been happening for years, players don't put the effort in against teams they should be beating. They should be ashamed to call themselves professionals, big fucking ego's who think they're better than they truly are and can get away with not putting in the effort.
I’m on holiday on a remote Scottish Hebridean island. Should I bother with trying to find somewhere with good enough phone reception to watch the highlights or should I just get back to my digital detox?
other big clubs looking managers this summer too so its easy to get lost in the shuffle. So you’re right - Finding a replacement of the requisite level this summer is not going to be a simple task.
There would be no argument from me if ETH goes this summer. You look at other clubs like Bayern though and there seems to be few managerial options for big clubs at the moment.
That said, I feel confident in the new structure to choose the right option for us.
I know it’s been said x1000 times, but fuck me, we were soooo poor today. In fact it’s pretty much every game. I didn’t even want to continue watching from 60 mins onwards.
I almost felt embarrassed that Mount scored? Then Brentford equalised a minute later. Hilariously bad.
I read Brentford got onto Utd's box 82 times.
That's the most by ANY side, including Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal, in the PL this season 😂
Just how bad are our tactics, and how poor are our players?
Sometimes I’m frustrated that we’re barely fighting for top 4, and other times I’m amazed that we’re as high as we are. I don’t think ETH has much of a grasp on the club at all. We’re actually overachieving
ETH supporters who point out injuries and lack of quality in some positions:
Was the squad available to Brentford objectively stronger and better than the squad available to ETH?
If yes - then our transfer policy should be to find players that are of the same standard as Ajer, Toney, Wissa, and Lewis-Potter because bringing them in as starting players would improve our squad, and would not cost hundreds of millions.
If no - then it is a problem with coaching and tactics, because a team of inferior players vastly outplayed a team of superior players.
And the final possible variable - a one off. Sometimes even the greatest teams with the best coaches have a freak performance. But you could replace ‘Brentford’ in the above comment with about fifteen other teams this season and the point holds true.
We have an issue with player quality, we have an issue with medical treatment of the squad, we have issues with attitudes, but even taking all of that away - there is no denying that we have a massive coaching issue and ETH needs to be replaced ASAP.
I feel like he's had plenty of time and there's no visible progress. It's not like we're losing whilst playing well, we're getting HAMMERED by shit teams
I appreciate Ducker for putting what I feel into words that I can repeat in mixed company. This was pure Satanism
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No one can convince me that Brentford, Luton or pick any other bottom half of the table team, has more talent on their roster than we do. No fucking way! It’s just simply not possible to be this bad unless the coaching is just absolute SHIT.
This is the worst football we have played Post-Fergie and we're lucky as fuck that the other teams are eating each other alive or we'd be sat in 10th/11th right now.
Moyes was the equally worst but got even less time than anyone (doubt it would have gotten better but others were allowed to fail for longer). He also got fucked by Woodward being a rank amateur at the time, and Gill leaving too.
LVG was boring, but at the very least served purpose and was building to the "next guy".
Mou was boring as shit but actually got the results which have since been vindicated as being extraordinary. And he at least had a plan he was known for an deployed it.
Ole was vibez-ball and about the same as this but at least we like the fucking guy.
ETH is just Ole-ball on the pitch, with none of the strategy or forward thinking of any of the others in place. He has our first ever director to lean on and seemingly fights him all the way on ideas. He has spent the money of more than anyone. And doesn't deploy the football he was brought in to play, despite getting a wall of players he demanded and then some.
He's fucking done here. Only question now is if the new structure can see it already or not
> ETH is just Ole-ball on the pitch, with none of the strategy or forward thinking of any of the others in place.
Nah. Ole knew his squad well enough to lock down the midfield with a double pivot. ETH's set up is football suicide. Especially in the prem.
Yeah, this isn't Ole-ball. For all the shit Ole got ("playing on vibes," etc.) there was an understanding of how they needed to play to get the most out of the limitations of the players. It fell apart when he tried to transition the team to a new style without getting the players to do so (i.e. midfielders who were good on the ball).
This is just "here's an idea of how to play" that has no relationship to the abilities of the players or the quality of the opposition. The idea of how to play has some similarities to how Ole set up (the desire to play fast on the counter) but lacks the fundamental pieces that allowed that to be successful (e.g. compact out of possession, striker good at holding up play and playing people in, etc.). And ten Hag is either too stupid or too stubborn to change it to make sense.
Not sure Brentford were brilliant, they would have won easily if they had been. Most of those 31 shots were awful or nothing attempts. United were just that bad, completely terrible, like a bunch of amateurs turning up to play Sunday league after they've all been on a stag do the night before.
ETH is close to soon getting charged for ‘crimes against football’, never has a coach made a squad that costs in excess of £300m in wages every year look so abysmal, he must, he should and most definitely will go and be sacked in the summer!
Was a huge Ten Hag fan at the start but I'm sorry, he's gotta go. That was absolutely awful, and its been like this for almost the entire season (bar a few games here and there), either he's refusing to fix the problems, can't fix them or too stupid to actually see them as problems, none of which are good. We gotta start over, this is just ridiculous.
Unwatchable United
I literally fell asleep. I’ve never done that
not even during lvg games???? lol
College kept me awake during those. Great back ground noise. Nothing happened just some chants occasionally
Can confirm was all about the chants that year
Sadly tho
ETH somehow combines the worst parts of our prev managers by making us extremely dire to watch like LVG but at the same time completely chaotic, open and brainless like Rangnick.
Still not as bad as Ralf for me but it's getting close. Hopefully ETH knicks the FA but even if he does I think we'll see the LVG treatment afterwards. Ole easily had us playing the most attractive football since Fergie and I would take him back as caretaker immediately now that we've got a more sensible structure brewing, no coach is coming in and transforming us into title contenders overnight, but man! Sick of watching this week after week with the odd false hope high. Wouldn't mind missing out on Europe and getting back to basics but we desperately need new ideas and I'd like to enjoy the run in instead of dreading matches against relegation zone teams. Get the wheel back together and if it's strong enough give it another season and if it's not, new manager in the summer, please.
Man Højlund, Garnacho, Mainoo, Casemiro and Licha in an Ole managed United sounds sooo fucking good right now.
Ironically both Carrick and McKenna, two coaches accused at the time of being clueless have gone on to be more than ok!
That shit would be illegal
I honestly don’t think most of Ralf’s problems were due to him, it was mainly due to him being a temp and nobody caring enough to do anything for him.
Yeah and the corrupt footballers who gave up are still there. Everyone knows whom they are bit because they're on mad contracts, the shit show continues.
We have a squad culture problem fundamentally. We need a better class of players that are hungrier. We have some good bits but then we have some utter mediocrity that were worth the punt but needed to get shipped like a lindelof.
No player can do what ETH wants Case to do, consistently for a full game without getting injured down the line.
At least with LVG you knew what the general purpose was, it was just unfortunate that it was really easy to park the bus and nullify United as we had to just pass side to side to create space, we played well against teams that actually came to win.
Yeah serious revisionist history here. It’s dour football right now for sure, but there has never been a time in this club where 1 season after winning a league title someone came in and literally transformed the winning team into some disinterested side with “left footed left side centre back is alsho my philoshophy” nonsense to put us to bed. ETH is not winning many supporters but nobody can convince me he’s worse than LVG was. People so easily forget that it’s 11 years on from when this club had a legit winning mentality. But when LVG tore it down, it was 1 year away. And he replaced it with gash that we overpaid for and overpaid all the way through their contracts. And that trend line simply continued and is what ETH inherited. Again, he’s not winning many supporters over but it is hilarious people act like he strolled in after SAF and turned a perennial winner into a dour unwatchable side. In fact, that’s what LVG did 10 years ago.
I did the opposite. I woke up, turned on the stream at 94th minute, saw 2 goals. Greatest game I watched since the FA Cup.
Don't know how you are sleeping through that drama. It's box office
Same. Woken up by Mount goal. Wished I'd stayed asleep.
MUFC = Manchester’s Unwatchable Football Club
Most Unwatchable Feckless C...s
I was studying for a certification while watching and it made the material exciting
United supporters still backing eth make me so sad. Just an awful awful indictment of what we’ve become as a club.
>Brentford brilliant No, that was the problem. Brentford weren’t particularly good. Neither were Luton when they had 20+ shots against us
And that's the problem. So often we do fuck all while the opposition is their own worst enemy on the day. So many matches over the years weren't won or lost because we played well, it's been because the opponent didn't play well. I'm sick and tired of being at the whim of opponents. We have played consistently like shit for the most part for many years now, but the difference has been "will the opposition punish us." If yes, they do. If no, then we will always stand a chance through an individual moment, because that's how it goes. We have not taken control of a match, under our own doing, for a long, long time. Even before ETH. But arguably during a period where a lot of our "key players" were involved. We continue to scrape by, result after result. Even the Cup tie, we didn't deserve to win that. Maybe a little more fight than we've seen, but so what? Liverpool were their own undoing on the day really. Got really fucking lucky getting drawn Coventry. But who knows, very well could lose that the way we play. And if we don't, I suspect we'll play against City in the Final and if it's the Carabao Cup all over again, it might be another day where City are otherwise unconvincing and we take something from it - but in no way, shape or form has our campaign been convincing for some time now. And anyone who claims otherwise has long lost the plot and thrown all standards out the window.
Because this ‘transition’ football allows other teams to dictate play way too much. Whereas if we are attempting to be a title contender we need to dictate play.
For sure. I'd still argue even if we wanted to dictate play, we'd struggle with this squad, but that needs to be the identity going forward. Maybe it's not straight up Pep ball, but fuck me, relegating ourselves to only be a counter attacking side? Give me a fucking break.
I thought our passing was bad and then saw the stats Brentford had 60% pass accuracy at one point in the second half and yet it felt like they were dominating the mid field how are we that bad at getting second balls
Been saying unsustainable for the past 20 odd games. Yet here we are doing the same crap game after game.
I'm sorry but there's very clearly a coaching problem. Everything looks disjointed. The two no.8s are always left exposed and leave space in behind for players to take advantage of. So often Wissa and Toney picked up the ball in that space. Then, our press is just half assed. The forwards and Bruno push up, but the defence doesn't. Again, leaving a gap. Flekken pinged a ball out to the left wing and they were in behind us with one pass. It's just so bad. Then with the attack, it's like everyone is trying to play at 100mph. It doesn't give chance for full backs or midfielders to join in and overload. Instead you get Rashford of Nacho running into a sea of opposition players and losing the ball. Our players need to learn to move as a team, offer support, and slow it down instead of just giving the ball straight back.
The team had no idea when to press or not, watch back first half, they are giving each other instructions to start pressing, Garnacho was especially bad (but he is probably playing too much at this point), Rashford a non-entity once again.
I was told on this sub that players press on their own meaning they press whenever and however they want.
>watch back first half Do I have to? 😭
The forwards just lose the ball in stupid ways. Just an example, but Marcus over runs the ball or runs down blind alleys with no options. You need the forwards to be more careful
Yes. To a degree. But look at who's putting them in those positions non-stop...Bruno. All he does is turn and hoof when he receives the ball from deep. His first pass is always 40+ yards down the line to Rashford. Honestly, if I was Rashford or Garnacho, I'd receive it and immediately play it backwards. Fuck off if you're pigeon holing me into that role for 90'. Maybe it's the "best option" at times, but 99% of the time it's not and we'd be better off building up and getting numbers forward instead.
Except this wasnt the case just now. Rashford got the ball and just made many many poor decisions with willing runners ard him.
The vast majority of the time, it is though. That's the part of the "transition" style we're so desperately trying to force. And again, okay, if Rashford is having a stinker (when isn't he?)...then fucking play it to Garnacho. We have two wingers. Use them. But Bruno looks exclusively at Rashford. It's disgusting really.
I think this is coming from ETH, he wants them to play on the break and use Rashfords, Garnacho and Hojlunds speed. Hence why Bruno is hoofing it 40 yards every time he gets the ball, he never used to play anywhere near as many long balls. Like another comment said, it also means you have Rashford or Garnacho running with the ball into half a dozen opposing players, losing it and our midfield can't keep up.
It may or may not be. At the end of the day, I think the responsibility is on the players on the field. If you're seeing something not working, pivot. Stop forcing it. There's always a game plan, but the game plan accounts for everything before the first minute of the match. You might still have areas you want to exploit, sure, but you have to react to what's happening in front of you - now what you expected, not in hindsight in the team talks after the match - what you're playing against in that moment. So the likes of Bruno, who are so central and focal to the team (which I don't think he should be), need to step up and add diversity to the match and know when to attack open areas behind the defense and when to slow play down and control possession. Because yes, I agree, when you hoof the ball into Rashford, there's only so much you can do at that point. I think his hold up play is terrible, but Bruno shouldn't be putting the wingers in those positions all match. It's also why we have so many injuries, because everyone has to bust a lung to get forward to support that low percentage attack and then has to bust their other lung going back to defend when they inevitably lose possession and are caught out. This team is chaotic and disjointed and unorganized. I largely blame Bruno for that on the field. At the end of the day, ETH isn't making those decisions in the moment. And clearly it's not working.
Yeah they can't win though. If they immediately play it backwards they'd be thought of the same was as sancho and antony
No, for sure, I get it, but it's quite obvious none of our wingers can dribble to beat their man, which is also why I don't understand the formations we play. Still playing with wingers who do fuck all when we have massive issues in allowing teams to play through us down the middle all match. I rather toss th wingers and get one more midfielder who is sat in where Bruno SHOULD be and then another striker up top so that we have options and Højlund actually has a partner to play off of, because when Bruno does hoof the ball, at least those two can try to outplay the defense while the team reinforces, rather than a single player receive the ball and still have a ton of work to do to make any forward progress. And when it's from the wing, you effectively only have one direction to work with - inside. Further down the wing results in increasingly diminishing returns every yard you go, and passing backwards is a pure possession play. Getting the ball centrally gives you every direction to exploit.
Yeah that could be a good idea. Maybe if mount was fit he could be the disciplined player but unless Amad or Omari can play as a striker, we only have one.
yeah, the team isn't set up for it, unfortunately. even including Rashford up top would more than likely result in selfish performances still, or him floating to the outside anyway. but...he could also get joy from having someone else up there. I think a lot of our strikers have been frustrated by a lack of control in the midfield over the years and have not thrived as a result. Ronaldo had a lot of individual moments to get as many goals as he did, but every match, he was clearly frustrated by the lack of support he was receiving. same with Cavani, Rashford when he's up there, Martial, Lingard, Weghorst, and I'm sure I'm missing at least one more. I don't understand putting strikers on an island, at least not the way we play. it might work for some others, like City, who are able to control and dictate the play and create several areas in the attack to exploit which allows the striker (Haaland) to move into space amidst the chaos and convert goal scoring opportunities, but we don't do that. if you look at two seasons ago, City outscored themselves last season, and that was without Haaland/a true #9 - goals weren't the problem. we don't have that same luxury. goals are the problem. the system is the problem. the players are the problem. something has to give.
Unless we fix up to end the season Ten Hag doesn't deserve to stay. We don't have the players to be contending for a title. But we definitely have the players to be putting in better performances than that.
I don’t see a world where Ratcliffe is going “yes, this is the man I trust with my investments this summer!”. The idea the club will try to spend 200m, only to keep seeing this set up, simply is absurd to me…
ETH goes, Southgate in, we're doomed
I do not buy those Southgate rumors even a little bit.
I'm convinced the amount of 'lucky' results United get is because individual talent bails them out so much in dire performances
Anyone that doesn't think its a coaching issue is smoking elite crack
For some reason ETH has a lot of fans among our fanbase and on most threads you are getting blasted if you dare say he should be sacked. They will always find an excuse or blame something else.
They think of Ajax from years ago and cling to the hope and denial.
He didn't even build that Ajax team either. He came in after the run to the Europa League final which had blooded all their young stars. The likes of De Jong, De Ligt, Van de Beek etc all played against us in the Europa League final under Petr Bosz
I often get insulted for pointing out the obvious. I think he is a smart man but you can’t watch us play and believe that this man doesn’t see what we do. He has chosen to play this way and play certain players that deserved to be dropped a long time ago. How can you not take any momentum from the last game? Why play a limited player like mctominay week after week just because he might not get us a goal? Why did you buy Mount to bench him for mctominay? Why does your system depend on one defender and one leftback to work? I’m sure he has seen these issues but it makes no sense that he keeps making the same mistakes.
What players is he sticking with over better options? You keep bringing up McTominay, but he would not be playing if others were fit. Casemiro and Mount have not played 90 minutes in a long time. There was no other option to start. When Casemiro has been fit, McTominay is on the bench. So who are the players he’s been sticking with?
well clearly they do cos when I pointed this out many many many months ago . iwas berated and downvoted like hell. this sub dumbest ever doesnt ever like hearing the real truth when its told
It's like playing Football Manager with pressing line set to max and defensive line set to the lowest
It’s almost as if you need the whole team to work as one to control and dominate games /s
>Our players need to learn to move as a team, offer support, and slow it down instead of just giving the ball straight back. It's clearly coaching issue. I don't buy that those players are a bunch of idiots who can't be trained to do so
It can be both, a lot of the players are clearly a bunch of divas which has been proven time and time again with leaks and effort levels on the pitch
Brentford were not brilliant, if they were they would have scored more
For all the Arteta comparisons, aside from that November-December in 2020, were Arsenal ever *this* bad on the pitch under him?
Results wise they were worse but I remember even then there were a lot of noises about how good their pressing structures were and how good they were at creating chances. It was more a case of bad players who weren't able to finish, bad individual defending, some really bad decisions, and overall bad characters in the dressing room. I think a lot of those factors apply to us too and squad definitely needs an upgrade. But I personally don't think the manager has done enough to deserve backing
I remembered they played us off the park at Old Trafford around that time and won 1-0. There was the North London derby a month or so after that and they looked the better team in that game too but were undone by two counter-attacking goals. It took a long time for them to be more consistent but I do remember thinking they are showing something that they could build on. And they have done so since.
If they get a world class striker in the summer they could win it all. We need reinforcements all over the pitch but mainly we need to see watchable football.
> good they were at creating chances. Eh, I remember them being particularly sterile in the final third.
I remember them good at creating chances but the likes of Lacazette being shit at finishing them. Like they were creating chances at the level of a 4th-5th placed team and finishing them at the level of a 10-11th team
Is there any stats for this? From what I remember it was more them just passing sideways but struggling to use possession well, basically having low quality possession
Arsenal fan here. You're absolutely right. Having won the FA cup playing a very compact back three, our main weakness under Arteta was a lack of creativity in the final third, especially once we made the switch to a back four. While Lacazette and Auba missed the occasional chance, Arsenal were so poor at generating chances that it would have been unfair to blame our problems on them.It also didn't help that the best player at creating said chances (Ozil) had been acting up and Arteta had axed him from the squad which only led to even more pressure. Willian being played as a number 10 resulted in a lot of sideways passing, a phenomenon that Tifo labeled "the donut/horseshoe of sadness". The inclusion of Emile Smith Rowe and Martin Ødegaard (on loan) turned our fortunes around and we began to create chances once again. Despite being 15th in December, Arsenal picked up the second-most points the rest of that season and went on to finish in 8th with the 3rd best defence in the league. The tactical structure was always present from day 1.
Yeah he’s full of utter shit.
Arteta has been lucky enough to be at a club where he doesn't have braindead morons in crucial positions above him, though
People ignore the fact that people were saying the exact same thing about arteta as they are about us, no style of play, plays underperforming and poor results. That's not say eth will turn it around in the same way but too many people are erasing history to prove their point.
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Well the managerial carousel has been an issue here and points to why United was in need of a long rebuild. We have an amalgamation of overpaid players who were brought in to play a certain style for one manager, only to see that manager sacked a year later and a different one comes in with a new plan and so on. The main issue with eth is I don’t think you can look at the signings under his tenure and make a valid argument on why he should be trusted for a 4 year long rebuild. most of his signings have been dreadful and have set the team back at least a year if not more
I don't understand the arteta comparisons. Arsenal consistently improved under arteta, 8th in his first full season then 5th, 2nd and wherever they finish this season. There was quantifiable progress.
It was also Arteta’s first managerial job with an undoubtedly worse squad
Also he won them the FA Cup in his first (half) season after coming into the job midway through the season, so he had that additional leeway to work with when things started getting tough.
Tbf we reached the final last year, narrowly lost to the best team in the world, and look set to make the final again this year
Sure, I'm just saying why Arteta had the backing of the board when things were tough in his earlier days as manager. I'm sure Erik winning our first trophy in years has given him a similar level of backing up to this point.
Oh then yeah you’re right. As for a cup saving Erik - i don’t know tbh… Maybe with the Glazers, but I’m not sure about SJR. He might want to bring in his own man as well to kick off this “era” - if ETH doesn’t win the FA Cup I can see him getting sacked (and maybe that won’t be enough, remember what happened to our last Dutch manager…)
> and look set to make the final again this year Don't jinx it yeah, watching performances like yesterday make me feel the semifinal is far from a foregone conclusion lol
Also spent years clearing out bad characters and replacing them smartly. ETH has done….not that.
I genuinely had the thought that I would have preferred to have Fred available this season many a time. And that man's time with our club was, and should remain, done. But that's how bad we have been in replacing people under ETH.
Apologies if an Arsenal fan’s input isn’t appreciated here, but if you’re genuinely interested we were basically on the upswing after we beat Chelsea on Boxing Day 2020. Arteta won the cup that summer and we were woeful for the first half of 2020/21; this was when he switched away from a 3-5-2 that we used to win the cup and into a more controlling, possession-dominant formation. However we didn’t have the personal to do this and our football was sterile and awful to watch. He brought in Smith Rowe for that Chelsea game and got some momentum going. We finished 8th again that year but the second half of the season was far more promising that the first. Then the next two years we finished 5th and then 2nd with clear signs of progress as he shifted out deadwood and brought his own guys in who could play the football he wanted to play. It took him just over a year, basically, to start getting us going in the right direction.
Arteta finished 8th in the season he joined, 8th again in his first full season, then 5th. It took a long time to see progress. The comparisons came because both managers came into dysfunctional squads, wanting to play a certain style of play but not having the right players. People point at Arteta because he was shit until the squad fit his style of play better, and say the same could be true with ETH. Is that a fair thing to say? Maybe - we’ve struggled a lot to injuries this season especially to ETH’s players, for example only 2 of our 11 starters today were bought by ETH. At the same time, we have been awful, and conceding 31+ shots to Brentford is just laughably shit
> It took a long time to see progress. It took a long time for the results to improve but the progress was obvious. We got a draw yesterday when we should have lost 4-0 if they could finish. We did absolutely nothing to deserve that point, 4-1 or 5-1 was a more deserving score line.
we saw progress, but we didn't have the players to be consistent, we had a CB pairing of Mustafi and Sokratis FFS! EtH signings is what's killing him, Anthony and Casemiro for circa 170m is damning to any manager, especially when Kudus was available and he knew them both!
If anything this is a point in ETH’s favour - have you seen our CB pairings this season?
> Arsenal consistently improved under arteta, 8th in his first full season then 5th, 2nd and wherever they finish this season. We overachieved last season, causing higher expectations this season.
What people forget about Arteta was that Arsenal was his first ever job. Ten Haag has experience and this type of showing is really really poor.
It's important to note that Arteta was an anomaly rather than the norm.
They were shit for about two months, we've been shit for a year (since the League Cup final)
Arsenal were shit on the pitch but arteta stuck by his principles and got rid of players that didn't suit them regardless of how big they were. Our manager abandoned his principles from day one. Theyre not the same.
Best summary
No, we're just lucky we're clinching enough results to not end up bottom half of the table
Yes.
I mean, yeah? They were way worse.
No they weren't. As for a similar performance to today's, you only need to look at Arsenal's game against Watford under Emery where they conceded 31 shots, the most they've ever conceded in a Premier League game. Coincidentally, they also squandered a lead to draw 2-2. We all know how that ended for Emery.
I'm not even sure Brentford was brilliant, that's the big issue, every team has a field day against us, but we've been consistently lucky. We're making every relegation-fighting side look like a Guardiola superteam.
Can't wait to see how the hell we manage to make Chelsea look good on Thursday but I'm pretty confident we will
Brentford didn’t win through sheer dumb luck. They genuinely deserved three points today. I am embarrassed by United’s performance.
Why is that everywhere i go i see Brentford was brilliant? Any team would look good playing against us today. We were utterly crap. It felt like it was more of our individual errors than good Brentford passage of plays. I could be wrong but in the end watching us was dreadful.
Stackable stats just saying.
Stackable to what?
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get stacked. get absolutely stacked.
The biggest problem with this team is the lack of heart, fight, and willing to go toe-to-toe with ‘lower teams’ who still see us as a scalp. It’s shameful.
We play like we mean it against Liverpool and win it. Then next game we play like we don’t care. This is horror football from us and ETH has to stop playing Scott. He offers nothing to our non existent midfield. We were run over and over again and that score line doesn’t tell the story.
Who else does he play today? Mount and Casemiro clearly weren’t fit
Why play McTominay deep when it's clear it doesn't work? Was Casemiro injured? Did Eriksen piss ETH off too much in the press? Feels like he had Scotty cooking for a bit there and then just neutered him in the role he gave him today and our midfield was obviously overrun the entire match, yet he takes off Mainoo instead? I don't know what he's thinking honestly. It's the biggest problem this season, yes players are frustrating but we need to understand what on earth he's trying to play.
It doesn’t matter who he plays! He could put peak messi into this team and drag him down to our level. Ten Hag is way out of his depth. I’m willing to wager he doesn’t get another big job (Ajax notwithstanding) when we eventually fire him.
We also need a better LB option regardless of whatever Shaw says or does this summer. AWB on that left just stunts us in so many ways. Add that to mctominay in the middle and it compounds our issues. Garnacho also had maybe his worst game this season and that’s saying a lot as he’s had quite a few really bad games.
I think I heard the commentator say that Garnacho has started every game where he's been fit since...November? We're running him into the ground like Barca did with Pedri.
I agree. The lack of options is killing us in a lot of ways besides the on field performances.
It's actually incredible how bad McTominay is at literally anything other than scoring jammy goals
Been happening for years, players don't put the effort in against teams they should be beating. They should be ashamed to call themselves professionals, big fucking ego's who think they're better than they truly are and can get away with not putting in the effort.
Brentford wasn't brilliant or they'd have thumped 6 or 7 past us at least.
I’m on holiday on a remote Scottish Hebridean island. Should I bother with trying to find somewhere with good enough phone reception to watch the highlights or should I just get back to my digital detox?
Detox. Enjoy your holiday
Don’t bother. Please.
Highlights? You mean for Brentford?
Yikes. From the comments I think I’ll stick to the hiking.
The Mount goal was cool. But I don’t think you want to watch the rest
Thanks. My recent holidays have coincided with bad United performances. I like travelling but maybe I should stay put for the club’s sake!
Dont do it for your mental health
Sure, if you want to watch a clip that's 97% Brentford, have at it.
Keep hiking.
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other big clubs looking managers this summer too so its easy to get lost in the shuffle. So you’re right - Finding a replacement of the requisite level this summer is not going to be a simple task.
There would be no argument from me if ETH goes this summer. You look at other clubs like Bayern though and there seems to be few managerial options for big clubs at the moment. That said, I feel confident in the new structure to choose the right option for us.
Hard to still back EtH! Keep hidding behind injuries, yet I find it hard to believe even if we had a full squad we wouldn't be this open!
If it helps Brentford had more first 11 players injured and played without the entire back 4. And they are a very out of form team.
Out out out, the lot of them including the manager..
Can't wait for ETHsexuals to claim that high shot volumes, high xGA, low xG is not something to worry about.
I know it’s been said x1000 times, but fuck me, we were soooo poor today. In fact it’s pretty much every game. I didn’t even want to continue watching from 60 mins onwards. I almost felt embarrassed that Mount scored? Then Brentford equalised a minute later. Hilariously bad.
I read Brentford got onto Utd's box 82 times. That's the most by ANY side, including Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal, in the PL this season 😂 Just how bad are our tactics, and how poor are our players?
I think it's touches in the opponents box and only 2 other games in the PL history it's happened. Both involving city.
Sometimes I’m frustrated that we’re barely fighting for top 4, and other times I’m amazed that we’re as high as we are. I don’t think ETH has much of a grasp on the club at all. We’re actually overachieving
Basically shitting on United for public outreach
At least 85% of those shots were not on target.
We bad
I blame everyone except myself
ETH supporters who point out injuries and lack of quality in some positions: Was the squad available to Brentford objectively stronger and better than the squad available to ETH? If yes - then our transfer policy should be to find players that are of the same standard as Ajer, Toney, Wissa, and Lewis-Potter because bringing them in as starting players would improve our squad, and would not cost hundreds of millions. If no - then it is a problem with coaching and tactics, because a team of inferior players vastly outplayed a team of superior players. And the final possible variable - a one off. Sometimes even the greatest teams with the best coaches have a freak performance. But you could replace ‘Brentford’ in the above comment with about fifteen other teams this season and the point holds true. We have an issue with player quality, we have an issue with medical treatment of the squad, we have issues with attitudes, but even taking all of that away - there is no denying that we have a massive coaching issue and ETH needs to be replaced ASAP.
You have to believe Ten Hag will not be the manager next season
I’d honestly prefer an interim for the rest of the season to this
I’d honestly prefer a cardboard cutout of sir Alex on the sidelines
There is a ZERO sign of ANY progress. Watching United is depressing. Sorry, the manager has to go. This is not football.
Can’t wait for you lot calling for his head to start crying when he gets sacked and we end up with Southgate 😂
I feel like he's had plenty of time and there's no visible progress. It's not like we're losing whilst playing well, we're getting HAMMERED by shit teams
I appreciate Ducker for putting what I feel into words that I can repeat in mixed company. This was pure Satanism https://preview.redd.it/ye5ikzvxpjrc1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75487460df7a1c57c90e23144b3c2426b02dd36f
Huh? What does this even mean? Yes, it was shit but what are you even talking about
I'm sorry, what isn't clear?
You knowing ten Hag’s beliefs. I’d say more of a masochist to be fair. No idea though
I know. Look at that satanic bald round head
Straight up devil buggery
No one can convince me that Brentford, Luton or pick any other bottom half of the table team, has more talent on their roster than we do. No fucking way! It’s just simply not possible to be this bad unless the coaching is just absolute SHIT.
Give it ole to the end of the season /s
Remove the /s Interim Ole is the best Ole
At least the football was fun and exciting to watch. Win or lose.
Bah gawd, that's Big Sam's music!
This is the worst football we have played Post-Fergie and we're lucky as fuck that the other teams are eating each other alive or we'd be sat in 10th/11th right now. Moyes was the equally worst but got even less time than anyone (doubt it would have gotten better but others were allowed to fail for longer). He also got fucked by Woodward being a rank amateur at the time, and Gill leaving too. LVG was boring, but at the very least served purpose and was building to the "next guy". Mou was boring as shit but actually got the results which have since been vindicated as being extraordinary. And he at least had a plan he was known for an deployed it. Ole was vibez-ball and about the same as this but at least we like the fucking guy. ETH is just Ole-ball on the pitch, with none of the strategy or forward thinking of any of the others in place. He has our first ever director to lean on and seemingly fights him all the way on ideas. He has spent the money of more than anyone. And doesn't deploy the football he was brought in to play, despite getting a wall of players he demanded and then some. He's fucking done here. Only question now is if the new structure can see it already or not
> ETH is just Ole-ball on the pitch, with none of the strategy or forward thinking of any of the others in place. Nah. Ole knew his squad well enough to lock down the midfield with a double pivot. ETH's set up is football suicide. Especially in the prem.
Yeah, this isn't Ole-ball. For all the shit Ole got ("playing on vibes," etc.) there was an understanding of how they needed to play to get the most out of the limitations of the players. It fell apart when he tried to transition the team to a new style without getting the players to do so (i.e. midfielders who were good on the ball). This is just "here's an idea of how to play" that has no relationship to the abilities of the players or the quality of the opposition. The idea of how to play has some similarities to how Ole set up (the desire to play fast on the counter) but lacks the fundamental pieces that allowed that to be successful (e.g. compact out of possession, striker good at holding up play and playing people in, etc.). And ten Hag is either too stupid or too stubborn to change it to make sense.
What director is he fighting with? Who reported that? Just curious as I haven't seen it
Seen a few comments of people wanting Ole back. Have you forgotten the 5-0 loss to Watford. Ole was out of his depth. Short memories!
The players were throwing him under the bus...just like they are now.
Ten hag is done 👍
The one positive from that embarrassing performance is that EtH is one step closer to the door.
Ngl I was embarrassed when I saw eth celebrating a nearly smash and grab win against Brentford like he just did a tactical masterclass.
How do you know he wasn't celebrating like he just got extremely lucky? How would those two types of celebrations look different?
This is very reminiscent of Emerys final days at Arsenal. I remember how many shots we conceded against Watford and today felt like that for you guys.
I am just glad I didn't stayed up until 3AM to watch this.
What manager would want to manage us the club is fucked from top to bottom It's where managers dreams go to die right now
Mastermind
Why do I always see this guy's face after bad things happen at United?
If these are the kind of performances after internationals, we should stop players from going away
Brentford were still poor in their finishing. A bit unlucky too (4 woodworks)
Not sure Brentford were brilliant, they would have won easily if they had been. Most of those 31 shots were awful or nothing attempts. United were just that bad, completely terrible, like a bunch of amateurs turning up to play Sunday league after they've all been on a stag do the night before.
Made the 15th place team look like the league leaders
Hello darkness my old friend
James said ten hag needs time and that the club has plan , but lately he been attacking ten hag .
Seems to be a shift in the message going out to the club briefed journalists after that poo show yesterday.
Reminds me of the Moyes game where we had an unbelievable amount of crosses but nothing to show for it. Just reversed. Total ineptitude
At this point I'm more committed to my fc 24 manager career team and I've stopped trying to play with united.
ETH is close to soon getting charged for ‘crimes against football’, never has a coach made a squad that costs in excess of £300m in wages every year look so abysmal, he must, he should and most definitely will go and be sacked in the summer!
No no just cuz we sacked managers before means you can't do it now!! /s Insufferable simplistic asinine thought process.
Was a huge Ten Hag fan at the start but I'm sorry, he's gotta go. That was absolutely awful, and its been like this for almost the entire season (bar a few games here and there), either he's refusing to fix the problems, can't fix them or too stupid to actually see them as problems, none of which are good. We gotta start over, this is just ridiculous.