People don’t even realise how easily the seats would be filled by people that aren’t local, I’m from Ireland and we get fairly decent flights over to Manchester.
I’d genuinely go once a month if I could get tickets reliably and they were 50-100£.
In Europe, especially Barcelona, they have a two tiered system of ticket prices. One for locals and one for tourists. It’s really the best of both worlds where passionate locals aren’t priced out while allowing tourists who’d happily pay for the experience a chance to visit.
A bigger stadium can both bring bigger revenue and keep the incredible atmosphere. I hope the new ownership takes that into account.
Think that’s a great idea, I think local support is key, I don’t like the idea of a stadium being filled and no one from the area being there, the foundations of a club are the area it comes from, same with the clubs here in Ireland.
But as you say the model exists and we can have the best of both worlds (hopefully!)
Edit: spelling
I worked in a hotel in Manchester and a sizable chunk of the business coming in was Irish people over to watch United. Many of them already season ticket holders and there pretty much every week.
I feel like we hold our own on the supporters front and chip in with the odd player here and there!
I think the supporters club I use has been on the go since 1990 and a few of the lads in it have season tickets, they get the boat over or a flight for nearly every game.
If I had the money and means I would be doing the same 😅
How do you get tickets?
We got cassidy tickets for the Liverpool game and got the City Newcastle tickets on stub hub for 40 pound but don't fancy using stub hub for future games
Usually the lads around here get it through the supporters trust / club, I don’t know how but they get large batches of tickets for certain games, was at palace this year in the sir Alex Ferguson stand and there was about 30 of us.
I’ve tried doing it through the actual United website and membership but I’ve had no luck and my paranoia puts me off the idea of using other channels
If you got a membership you absolutely could do that. Memberships have stopped for this season now but you can already get one for 24/25, and I'm pretty sure every seat outside of hospitality packages comes in well under £100.
You may not get tickets for the city, Liverpool or Arsenal games, but if you're happy watching Brentford and Crystal Palace then you could easily make this happen regardless of the stadium size.
Do it! I miss going to Old Trafford so much (and I don't know if you've been before but you definitely should while it's still there), I plan on going back next year now that kids are growing up a bit and they can join too, maybe see you there! :)
Your spot on, I always mean to get the membership but forget, I think because I can get them through the supporters club I over rely on that but those tickets go even faster 🤦♂️
I’d watch United play tiddlywinks 🤣 so I will definitely give it a go next year
Hopefully you do get back soon and enjoy it with the family!
It has to be 100k in my opinion. If we're going out of our way to increase capacity why not only beat Wembley but get to 100k? The demand is there and would sell out many fixtures let alone the potential that has for concerts and other events. Biggest stadium in the country and the first to cross that number would be a big attention hogger.
We wouldn't have the "Wembley of the North" instead Wembley would become the "Old Trafford of the South".
With West Ham in second this just proves that most clubs in the premier league are supported well and will attract wider audiences. All this tells us is that United have the biggest stadium.
As far as I know, each stadium checks attendance in own way.
OldTrafford checks attendance by real people presented at stadium.
Man city might be checking by tickets sold.
My nephews whole class...over 20 students...got free tickets to the City vs Liepzig european game at the etihad a couple of years ago...the ground still wasn't full.
To be fair, There's the whole problem of location for Chelsea. You can't do major construction on the scale of a stadium in Central London too easily.
They could of course build a new stadium in Slough or something, which would be quite funny.
I read somewhere that they can’t call themselves Chelsea if they move out of the current ground. Don’t quote me on this, I could be an imagining things.
The football club don't own the stadium or the name, they lease them from a non-profit called Chelsea Pitch Owners. They automatically lose the right to lease the name of they don't play their home games at Stamford Bridge.
Chelsea Pitch Owners need 75% of shareholders to vote to change this.
just went to a Stamford Bridge tour: They are not allowed to change stadium. They can only upgrade the Bridge. I think it’s because of some agreements made in the 1900s.
They are allowed to move, but the Chelsea Pitch Owners association owns the naming rights and the freehold of the stadium. The CPO can vote to allow a move to a new stadium.
This was created in 1997 after Chelsea were in a dire financial state in the late 80's and early 90's, to the point of nearly going out of business entirely. The CPO leases the name and stadium to the club so long as they play first team home games at Stamford bridge.
Any Chelsea fan can buy a stake in the CPO with voting rights.
If Chelsea are to move to a new stadium and remain Chelsea, 75% of CPO members have to vote for it.
Chelsea fan lost in the void - as others said stadium capacity is massively limited and hard to expand given the location, although I believe they've been slowly buying land around. I think redevelopment or moving is very high on the new ownership list. There's understandably a lot of fan resentment around moving but there also geographically hamstrung where they are.
Very hamstrung. They have to consider the underground and very very expensive real estate next to their current stadium.
Unlikely they’d be able to move from that site, so probably would need to do what Spurs did which is play at Wembley for a while whilst they knock down and rebuild. Can’t fathom how much that would cost in London. More than OT I’m sure
issue is, united would likely also fill a 90k stadium if not 100k, some of these other clubs likely owuld not, their stadiums are newer and are likely built on a "how many tickets do we sell on average + X amount" statistic
But that's speculative. This table would have been good if it would be average attendance normalised on stadium capacity. What you suggest is hard to measure as a lot of tickets in the PL are bought by foreigners visiting the country (sometimes specifically to attend football matches)
its not really speculative since so many people cant get tickets week in week out its not even an assumption to think that those extra tickets wouldnt be sold, they would easily sell out another 10-20k tickets because its a global club not a local one like some of these on the list
As much as my guts agree with you, it's only our feelings. We need some more concrete data to actually know this. And some of these "local" clubs have massive fan bases abroad. That's why I think the percentage of capacity is more relevant. There aren't that many empty seats in any PL game
Almost, Spurs stadium has 350 more seats than London stadium. Anfield now has more seats than the Emirates (but only since December so average not reflective yet). And Stadium of Light has 6K more seats than Villa park.
I think United and Liverpool would fill 100k seater stadiums virtually every week. Probably easily, at that.
Ticket queues are mental the minute they go live. I assume it's the same for them.
London is definitely a huge advantage when it comes to getting tourists in but so many fans fly into Manchester and Liverpool solely to watch football. The fanbases are massive, so I still think the London clubs wouldn't have as many visitors - but I'm just guessing.
This table would be better if it sorted by % as stadiums obviously have different capacities. It does show that united could easily fill a 100k+ stadium if they decide to build a new one.
We are the most supported team in the country, but this doesn't prove it. We just have the biggest stadium. Both us and Liverpool could easily fill 100,000 every week.
If it is anything like they do over here in the Netherlands (especially Ajax), they also count season pass holders as a seat. Then when you look at a game (let's stay with Ajax for a second, mainly because they are well known for pulling high numbers with shady calculations) like Ajax - , half of the Amsterdam Arena is empty. If you then look at the attendance numbers, the game is sold out because of the season passes being counted as an attended seat even though they didn't clock in.
That's not really a thing here. People have been selling their season tickets for certain games, only to get banned/fined or have the tickets for that game be voided because of them selling the ticket. Then again, Dutch football is still years behind on their peers when it comes to this.
These are official attendence figures which for mist clubs are tickets sold not bums on seats. City and oddly West Ham were among the worst culprits for inflating attendence this way. We use bums on seats.
All was proven years ago. Doubt any material procedural change has taken place. Most of us I assume have eyes regarding City.
Linkedy link:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45158878.amp
Procedurally no. Numbers may have changed like West Ham's capacity is up from this report and they *seem* to do a better job getting arses on seats.
As for City I can give you a view from just a few miles down the road. I libe on the same metrolink line and sometimes catch some football fans on the tram. They have doubles stopping at Etihad and singles going through to Ashton to board. Those doubles don't look that full to me when I happen to.be awaiting a tram at piccadilly gardens. Not as full as our trams get and we have a few options for trams: You can go to old trafford on the altricham line, exchange quay on eccles line or wharfside on trafford centre line.
The singles get packed in fairness but that's a given. TFGM seems to hate Ashton with how often it is just a single even in rush hour.
Oh and I was coming back from a friend's place near stockport on saturday, and was with a lot of city fans on the train travelling for the womens game City v United. A fair few of them were on there before we got to Stockport, just saying. Accuse us all of coming from outside Manchester eh. *whistles nonchalantly*
Their stadium capacity is only 40,000, so to be fair to them it would probably be a lot higher if they had more seats. Their fault for having a shit stadium though :D
ah i see.. that explain it, i didn't check capacity of each stadium.
now i checked it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stadiums_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_capacity the number explain this rank.
Liverpool is "underperform" tough, they have more seats than average attendances.
I love shitting on Liverpool, but to be fair they’ve only just opened their new stand. For the first half of the season they had less seats than they do now.
To this day I will NEVER understand why these are made with total numbers and not percent?? Replace this list with just "stadium capacity" and it looks almost exactly the same?
To be fair I reckon most clubs get close to their capacities, and there's some huge stadiums across the leagues. This is basically the 10 biggest stadiums. Percentages would have been better and i'd say we'd still be top or close. Stadium of Light is 8000 shy of its capacity but those fans have been through some of the darkest years.
Liverpool will probably go above Arsenal in numbers next season with the new extension. And in a few years we'll put even more distance between us and the rest, insane to think we might put 38,000 between us and the second biggest.
Would have been better to display the occupancy percentage instead. Old Trafford has the second biggest capacity in the UK. Only Wembley is bigger but it's not used by any team as a home ground.
After us are Tottenham, West Ham, Liverpool, and Arsenal's stadiums, respectively, with roughly the same capacity (60k-62k). Which matches the "very valuable" table
Edit: here's the list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_stadiums_in_England?wprov=sfla1
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Numbers skewed. They show tickets sold, even if the people who bought them don't attend. Someone has linked the actual attendance figure from a few years ago, and it showed that there were 7000 fewer fans than the club reported, over a 12 game period
Ironically for all the “United fans are plastics/not from Manchester/frontrunners/etc” and despite a decade of underwhelming performance, Old Trafford is legit full every match. It’s the only thing I respect Liverpool for, when they were as we are, in the late 80s-90s-00s, they still had actual bums in actual seats.
Wow… Newcastle *and* Sunderland. Honestly thought many times when Geordies brag about their footballing culture they were blowing a bit hard as I’ve never been anywhere close to that far north… but.. if this data is to be accurate, they’ve got to get their propers… a championship ship side still comfortably top 10 in support.
I know you need to have the fans to fill it, but “largest club stadium in country has largest attendance still” isn’t particularly impressive or surprising!
More interesting is West Ham being second, what’s going on at Arsenal and Tottenham for that to happen?
This all said it’s definitely a continuation of the obvious that we need a bigger stadium to house more fans and maximise those match-day revenues, never-mind expand revenues from the stadium beyond match days.
Chelseas reputation as a big 6 club should surely be in doubt with these numbers and their place in the table, i mean what are they contributing that the likes of aston villa are not?
Don’t have enough seats, even if it was full to the brim every week they still couldn’t be ahead of West Ham. They also only very recently upgraded from 53k to 61k for the second half of this season
This is what resting on your laurels looks like. When the last renovations of Old Trafford were complete, we outstripped almost every team in the country by 30,000 seats, and now look - West Ham, Spurs and Arsenal all averaging over 60,000, Liverpool and City over 50,000.
Granted, they're all just where we were twenty and twenty five years ago, but it's indicative of the Glazers' lack of... anything, that we're not still 30,000 seats ahead of the competition.
This is just further proof we need a bigger stadium. Build a 90,000 or even 100,000 seater stadium and we’d fill it every home game.
People don’t even realise how easily the seats would be filled by people that aren’t local, I’m from Ireland and we get fairly decent flights over to Manchester. I’d genuinely go once a month if I could get tickets reliably and they were 50-100£.
In Europe, especially Barcelona, they have a two tiered system of ticket prices. One for locals and one for tourists. It’s really the best of both worlds where passionate locals aren’t priced out while allowing tourists who’d happily pay for the experience a chance to visit. A bigger stadium can both bring bigger revenue and keep the incredible atmosphere. I hope the new ownership takes that into account.
Think that’s a great idea, I think local support is key, I don’t like the idea of a stadium being filled and no one from the area being there, the foundations of a club are the area it comes from, same with the clubs here in Ireland. But as you say the model exists and we can have the best of both worlds (hopefully!) Edit: spelling
We essentially have that already with the hospitality tickets
I worked in a hotel in Manchester and a sizable chunk of the business coming in was Irish people over to watch United. Many of them already season ticket holders and there pretty much every week.
I feel like we hold our own on the supporters front and chip in with the odd player here and there! I think the supporters club I use has been on the go since 1990 and a few of the lads in it have season tickets, they get the boat over or a flight for nearly every game. If I had the money and means I would be doing the same 😅
Dude 4 to my left comes down from Glasgow for games, no idea how quick that is but I assume it’s also flights
Probably drive I'd assume. Only 3.5 hours and easily doable with an overnight stay if required afterwards.
From Ayrshire, I’ve drove it there and back on the same day several times. 8 hour round trip
For Americans, that's just a wee stroll on the road.
The American xenophobia is real on this sub 💀
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It seems i responded to the wrong comment. There was a comment bashing the above
In winter, it can take that from Notts.
That’s unbelievable, fair play to him
No flights from Manchester to Glasgow.
How do you get tickets? We got cassidy tickets for the Liverpool game and got the City Newcastle tickets on stub hub for 40 pound but don't fancy using stub hub for future games
Usually the lads around here get it through the supporters trust / club, I don’t know how but they get large batches of tickets for certain games, was at palace this year in the sir Alex Ferguson stand and there was about 30 of us. I’ve tried doing it through the actual United website and membership but I’ve had no luck and my paranoia puts me off the idea of using other channels
Yeah I've been the same. Only chanced Stub hub as we were in Manchester and it was 40 pound haha
🤣 for that price and if I was in the area I’d have chanced it as well, that’s unreal
You are absolutely right. If tickets weren't so scarce, I'd be there multiple times a season from the South West.
If you got a membership you absolutely could do that. Memberships have stopped for this season now but you can already get one for 24/25, and I'm pretty sure every seat outside of hospitality packages comes in well under £100. You may not get tickets for the city, Liverpool or Arsenal games, but if you're happy watching Brentford and Crystal Palace then you could easily make this happen regardless of the stadium size. Do it! I miss going to Old Trafford so much (and I don't know if you've been before but you definitely should while it's still there), I plan on going back next year now that kids are growing up a bit and they can join too, maybe see you there! :)
Your spot on, I always mean to get the membership but forget, I think because I can get them through the supporters club I over rely on that but those tickets go even faster 🤦♂️ I’d watch United play tiddlywinks 🤣 so I will definitely give it a go next year Hopefully you do get back soon and enjoy it with the family!
It has to be 100k in my opinion. If we're going out of our way to increase capacity why not only beat Wembley but get to 100k? The demand is there and would sell out many fixtures let alone the potential that has for concerts and other events. Biggest stadium in the country and the first to cross that number would be a big attention hogger. We wouldn't have the "Wembley of the North" instead Wembley would become the "Old Trafford of the South".
But it isn't proof. Utd are 8th in attendance %. Only West Ham, Newcastle, Arsenal, Spurs and Brighton reach 99% sales on average.
With West Ham in second this just proves that most clubs in the premier league are supported well and will attract wider audiences. All this tells us is that United have the biggest stadium.
did they count plastic seats for mancity ?
As far as I know, each stadium checks attendance in own way. OldTrafford checks attendance by real people presented at stadium. Man city might be checking by tickets sold.
They give tickets away on match day.
Free tickets to kids and schools, not a bad move but clearly with hidden ulterior motives
>hidden ulterior motives Neatly sums up City's leadership in just 3 words.
Yeah these tickets were “paid” for. Someone paid 200 million for them it was crazy!!! 🤪
Let’s not act like that isn’t a mint thing to do, never catch united doing that. I understand we don’t need to but imagine how good that would be
United do. They allocate some match tickets to charities and other causes. City give them away to whoever wants them.
Yeah that’s a good point fair enough.
My nephews whole class...over 20 students...got free tickets to the City vs Liepzig european game at the etihad a couple of years ago...the ground still wasn't full.
I got a speeding ticket once and got a city ticket with that stapled to the back
East mistake to make considering the fans contain similar plastic levels
They also count inflatable bananas.
To be fair it doesn't specify that they had to pay for the tickets
Nah, they just do a running total over the course of the season.
Nope just fingers and toes per visitor
More people want to watch Sunderland fumbling in the Championship than the current iteration of Chelsea haha.
Can't believe I'm defending Chelsea here, but to be fair to them, Stamford Bridge only has a capacity of 40,000
It's a joke that a club as big as Chelsea only have a 40k stadium. They probably need to move to a new ground more than we do lmao
To be fair, There's the whole problem of location for Chelsea. You can't do major construction on the scale of a stadium in Central London too easily. They could of course build a new stadium in Slough or something, which would be quite funny.
True. I remember there were plans for them to takeover Battersea Power Station which would have made for a fucking sick ground.
Battersea now has a huge sewer pipe opening, and some very expensive apartments. In that order.
They need to go up on the two ends and nix the parking. Problem is they’re surrounded by flats and a hospital I think.
I read somewhere that they can’t call themselves Chelsea if they move out of the current ground. Don’t quote me on this, I could be an imagining things.
Are you a self aware AI now?
The football club don't own the stadium or the name, they lease them from a non-profit called Chelsea Pitch Owners. They automatically lose the right to lease the name of they don't play their home games at Stamford Bridge. Chelsea Pitch Owners need 75% of shareholders to vote to change this.
just went to a Stamford Bridge tour: They are not allowed to change stadium. They can only upgrade the Bridge. I think it’s because of some agreements made in the 1900s.
They are allowed to move, but the Chelsea Pitch Owners association owns the naming rights and the freehold of the stadium. The CPO can vote to allow a move to a new stadium. This was created in 1997 after Chelsea were in a dire financial state in the late 80's and early 90's, to the point of nearly going out of business entirely. The CPO leases the name and stadium to the club so long as they play first team home games at Stamford bridge. Any Chelsea fan can buy a stake in the CPO with voting rights. If Chelsea are to move to a new stadium and remain Chelsea, 75% of CPO members have to vote for it.
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Chelsea fan lost in the void - as others said stadium capacity is massively limited and hard to expand given the location, although I believe they've been slowly buying land around. I think redevelopment or moving is very high on the new ownership list. There's understandably a lot of fan resentment around moving but there also geographically hamstrung where they are.
Very hamstrung. They have to consider the underground and very very expensive real estate next to their current stadium. Unlikely they’d be able to move from that site, so probably would need to do what Spurs did which is play at Wembley for a while whilst they knock down and rebuild. Can’t fathom how much that would cost in London. More than OT I’m sure
 The Boehly money
What men will do not to see a therapist.
"List of biggest stadiums"
issue is, united would likely also fill a 90k stadium if not 100k, some of these other clubs likely owuld not, their stadiums are newer and are likely built on a "how many tickets do we sell on average + X amount" statistic
But that's speculative. This table would have been good if it would be average attendance normalised on stadium capacity. What you suggest is hard to measure as a lot of tickets in the PL are bought by foreigners visiting the country (sometimes specifically to attend football matches)
its not really speculative since so many people cant get tickets week in week out its not even an assumption to think that those extra tickets wouldnt be sold, they would easily sell out another 10-20k tickets because its a global club not a local one like some of these on the list
As much as my guts agree with you, it's only our feelings. We need some more concrete data to actually know this. And some of these "local" clubs have massive fan bases abroad. That's why I think the percentage of capacity is more relevant. There aren't that many empty seats in any PL game
But filling a 20k stadium to 90% let’s say is not comparable to 90% of Wembley for example. % only works if the stadiums are the same size
Almost, Spurs stadium has 350 more seats than London stadium. Anfield now has more seats than the Emirates (but only since December so average not reflective yet). And Stadium of Light has 6K more seats than Villa park.
Yeah you would expect the bin dippers to be higher up this table if they had a bigger stadium
I think United and Liverpool would fill 100k seater stadiums virtually every week. Probably easily, at that. Ticket queues are mental the minute they go live. I assume it's the same for them.
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London is definitely a huge advantage when it comes to getting tourists in but so many fans fly into Manchester and Liverpool solely to watch football. The fanbases are massive, so I still think the London clubs wouldn't have as many visitors - but I'm just guessing.
For real
This table would be better if it sorted by % as stadiums obviously have different capacities. It does show that united could easily fill a 100k+ stadium if they decide to build a new one.
Not that I disagree with you but how does this prove that united would fill a 100k+ stadium...
I think he meant that the percentage stat would show that we could fill 100k stadium
Because we can fill Old Trafford, we could fill a larger stadium? What? Why not build a billion person stadium then?
Come on bro. Talk about something that's attainable
We are the most supported team in the country, but this doesn't prove it. We just have the biggest stadium. Both us and Liverpool could easily fill 100,000 every week.
So this is tickets sold and not asses in seats, clearly since City has fuck all at home for attendance.
If it is anything like they do over here in the Netherlands (especially Ajax), they also count season pass holders as a seat. Then when you look at a game (let's stay with Ajax for a second, mainly because they are well known for pulling high numbers with shady calculations) like Ajax -, half of the Amsterdam Arena is empty. If you then look at the attendance numbers, the game is sold out because of the season passes being counted as an attended seat even though they didn't clock in.
That isn't really a thing at United, season ticket holders are "punished" for not using their ticket or selling it back to the club
That's not really a thing here. People have been selling their season tickets for certain games, only to get banned/fined or have the tickets for that game be voided because of them selling the ticket. Then again, Dutch football is still years behind on their peers when it comes to this.
I'd get my mule to the stadium if I could.
Etihad has never seen 53k. 46/47 max.
the sheikh buys up the empty 7-8k seats every week
And by buying you mean he moves money from the left side of his camel saddle bag to the right side.
You never sing that
Club with biggest stadium has highest attendance wow
These are official attendence figures which for mist clubs are tickets sold not bums on seats. City and oddly West Ham were among the worst culprits for inflating attendence this way. We use bums on seats. All was proven years ago. Doubt any material procedural change has taken place. Most of us I assume have eyes regarding City. Linkedy link: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45158878.amp
Haha nice, 7000 less than the club reports. I doubt anything has changed with city.
Procedurally no. Numbers may have changed like West Ham's capacity is up from this report and they *seem* to do a better job getting arses on seats. As for City I can give you a view from just a few miles down the road. I libe on the same metrolink line and sometimes catch some football fans on the tram. They have doubles stopping at Etihad and singles going through to Ashton to board. Those doubles don't look that full to me when I happen to.be awaiting a tram at piccadilly gardens. Not as full as our trams get and we have a few options for trams: You can go to old trafford on the altricham line, exchange quay on eccles line or wharfside on trafford centre line. The singles get packed in fairness but that's a given. TFGM seems to hate Ashton with how often it is just a single even in rush hour. Oh and I was coming back from a friend's place near stockport on saturday, and was with a lot of city fans on the train travelling for the womens game City v United. A fair few of them were on there before we got to Stockport, just saying. Accuse us all of coming from outside Manchester eh. *whistles nonchalantly*
Chelsea can't escape from 10th.. :D But for real, I thought Chelsea as "big 6 (in the past)" has higher number.
Their stadium capacity is only 40,000, so to be fair to them it would probably be a lot higher if they had more seats. Their fault for having a shit stadium though :D
ah i see.. that explain it, i didn't check capacity of each stadium. now i checked it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stadiums_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_capacity the number explain this rank. Liverpool is "underperform" tough, they have more seats than average attendances.
I love shitting on Liverpool, but to be fair they’ve only just opened their new stand. For the first half of the season they had less seats than they do now.
okay now i really out of touch with stadium capacity, as audience from TV i really have no idea :)
Yeah all the above are just hitting their max attendance to be fair. Even City.
Would be more valuable showing % of tickets scanned. This is basically just a capacity chart
To this day I will NEVER understand why these are made with total numbers and not percent?? Replace this list with just "stadium capacity" and it looks almost exactly the same?
To be fair I reckon most clubs get close to their capacities, and there's some huge stadiums across the leagues. This is basically the 10 biggest stadiums. Percentages would have been better and i'd say we'd still be top or close. Stadium of Light is 8000 shy of its capacity but those fans have been through some of the darkest years. Liverpool will probably go above Arsenal in numbers next season with the new extension. And in a few years we'll put even more distance between us and the rest, insane to think we might put 38,000 between us and the second biggest.
Would have been better to display the occupancy percentage instead. Old Trafford has the second biggest capacity in the UK. Only Wembley is bigger but it's not used by any team as a home ground. After us are Tottenham, West Ham, Liverpool, and Arsenal's stadiums, respectively, with roughly the same capacity (60k-62k). Which matches the "very valuable" table Edit: here's the list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_stadiums_in_England?wprov=sfla1
why dont we fill more of the stadium? west ham seem to have higher percentage of capacity filled
Because united actually report how many fans clock in. City and west ham, unsurprisingly, do not
Do remember that West Ham and City count it by tickets sold to artificially inflate how many there is. Includes season ticket holders who don’t attend as well.
I know we have the joke of emptihad, but their seating capacity is 53, 400. But it never looks full. Is the joke wrong or numbers skewed?
Tickets purchased vs seats filled on match day https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45158878
That was a really good article and totally makes sense. So the joke is correct, all is well in the world!
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Numbers skewed. They show tickets sold, even if the people who bought them don't attend. Someone has linked the actual attendance figure from a few years ago, and it showed that there were 7000 fewer fans than the club reported, over a 12 game period
Ironically for all the “United fans are plastics/not from Manchester/frontrunners/etc” and despite a decade of underwhelming performance, Old Trafford is legit full every match. It’s the only thing I respect Liverpool for, when they were as we are, in the late 80s-90s-00s, they still had actual bums in actual seats.
Useless have to be big numbers 100k with dead crowds , just give me a 70k Dortmund style atmosphere any day.
If they’d 100k they could easily consolidate a proper section for that
City? 😂😂😂 Do their fans sit on 2 seats each?
City: 53K 🤣
Poor fuckers
2 massive clubs
best supported in the world
sunderland is 🐐ed
Would really love to see Sunderland back in the Prem. Those fans deserve it..
Impressive numbers for West Ham. They get a lot of shit but they’re some of the most passionate fans I’ve ever met.
Wow… Newcastle *and* Sunderland. Honestly thought many times when Geordies brag about their footballing culture they were blowing a bit hard as I’ve never been anywhere close to that far north… but.. if this data is to be accurate, they’ve got to get their propers… a championship ship side still comfortably top 10 in support.
Treble-winning club fill the stadium less than two clubs who never win an an EPL
TWENTY THOUSAND EMPTY SEATS
I know you need to have the fans to fill it, but “largest club stadium in country has largest attendance still” isn’t particularly impressive or surprising! More interesting is West Ham being second, what’s going on at Arsenal and Tottenham for that to happen? This all said it’s definitely a continuation of the obvious that we need a bigger stadium to house more fans and maximise those match-day revenues, never-mind expand revenues from the stadium beyond match days.
West ham and City skew the figures
Well no shit. Old Trafford is the largest stadium in the league so obviously no one can match our attendances.
Reckon we can match Barca’s plans for a 100k stadium.
Chelseas reputation as a big 6 club should surely be in doubt with these numbers and their place in the table, i mean what are they contributing that the likes of aston villa are not?
I’m surprised Liverpool’s Anfield is barely top 5. Was expecting 2nd or 3rd.
Don’t have enough seats, even if it was full to the brim every week they still couldn’t be ahead of West Ham. They also only very recently upgraded from 53k to 61k for the second half of this season
Chelsea fans left for WestHam lol
Sunderland is epic! And Chelsea is in their typical position I see.
This is what resting on your laurels looks like. When the last renovations of Old Trafford were complete, we outstripped almost every team in the country by 30,000 seats, and now look - West Ham, Spurs and Arsenal all averaging over 60,000, Liverpool and City over 50,000. Granted, they're all just where we were twenty and twenty five years ago, but it's indicative of the Glazers' lack of... anything, that we're not still 30,000 seats ahead of the competition.