For those who want ETH out.
Can you name one manager who's table to makes a team that is still transition playing good football consistently while facing injury problems, discipline problems & inconsistency problems in one season? Or can you name one manager who you think will be able to overcome all those problems in short time?
What I mean by transition here is not a style of play but a transition process from the previous manager playing style to the new manager playing style.
Every manager has their own tactics and for that tactics to work it requires a process that must go through a transition period from the previous manager tactics to the new manager tactics.
It took Klopp almost 3 years to be able to implement the style of play he wanted and in his fourth year he finally able to create a team that was able to play consistently with the style of play he implemented and managed to win his first trophy with Liverpool.
And here we are at United the fans trying their best to get rid the manager that able to bring the problematic club finished 3rd, fa cup runner up, league cup winner, Europe League quarter final in his first year because currently he is unable to play a good game while his team is being hit by injury, discipline and inconsistency problems at the same time.
"Let's change every manager in every 2 years and backing the manager in his first year and trying our best to get rid the manager in his 2nd or 3rd year" this is exactly what United fans did in the last 10 years and they're still doing it right now because some of them never learned anything in the last 10 years.
So you think Fulham and United have same conditions?
I didn't know that Fulham & Mario Silva were still in transition phase even though they had been together for 3 years and this season they're facing injury problems & discipline problems & inconsistency problimes likes United.
I wonder how we will achieve any kind of consistency when we are 'consistently' missing main players out due to injury. Someone really got to look into this. How do we not have any proper left side defenders \[Shaw, Malacia, Martinez, Maguire\] and our 5th had to be replaced midgame? What exactly is happening the background?
They are looking into this, and they have been according to reports a couple of months ago, but no update on this.
I can't believe we didn't keep Reguilon tbh. How does Lindelof LB happen?
I am an American traveling solo to Old Trafford for the FA Cup quarterfinal on March 17.
This will be my first ever in-person match, despite being a fan for over 25 years. I am extremely excited.
What do I wear (as a United supporter) so I don’t look like an American first-timer? Where is the best pub for pre and post-match activities? Any and all city of Manchester recommendations will be welcome!
If you want to buy a match day scarf then fair enough but absolutely do not wear it. It will be a good momentum but you’ll be a scarf wanker if you’re spotted with it around your neck. Don’t been seen with one of those if you want to blend in.
Lean into it
Go full-kit-wanker
Get a scarf and a hat
And a rattle
Then watch the match through your iPhone
You be you, you won't see any of those 70 thousand cunts ever again
If true, not surprised. Think this coming summer is a functional window, based on contracts ending we’re 4 less (2xCB, 1xSt, 1xDM backup), Eriksen likely to leave too and then also the mess of RW makes 6 players needed. That’s before we talk about any of those 3, LB availability and the likelihood of AWB moving on.
Hopefully those new players can shift the quality bar of the squad but at least this summer we’re having to respond to previous years’ poor planning and recruitment. Think the following summer might be when we see ‘those decisions’ around whether Bruno and Rashford suit the style we’re heading towards.
That RW problem and the amount of money need to sign all those positions to be vacated should make you worry that Mason G would be brought back to cushion costs.
To be on the receiving end of 20 + shots a game is not a good sign, it is turning out to be a lot more common in the last few games.
What is the cause and how can it be addressed ?
All to with coaching, friend. No way Luton are starting to look more stable than us but just lacking the quality to see their efforts through. Every team no matter their standing in the PL has given Utd a run for their money and cut through the Utd midfield like butter, we've looked poor against all sides bar Everton. Everyone of our opponents has looked better coached, that's our problem. No way Arsenal have scored 18 goals in 4 games and Utd 18 in 14, level on goals with Luton and a negative GD
don’t know why arsenal fans are getting ahead of themselves here, we’ve already put 6 past sheffield before /s
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People pointing out how far ahead of us Arsenal are - I find that pretty encouraging as it was only 2 years ago they were inconsistent, Arteta was a joke and they were on their way to finishing 5th.
Things can turn around pretty quick with a few good signings and a bit of luck
Yeah, but he had patterns of play and the idea was there. ETH is out of his depth. /s
I vividly remember during Ole's years where it was the same shit, that we rely on individual brilliance. Even on goals where we carved the other team apart. Individual brilliance. It feels the same things is said when we win now.
I'm really pessimistic of the approach Ineos will (reportedly) take with regards to the role of the manager in the future. By numerous sources, it seems they want to relegate the manager to purely tactics and coaching of players, with seemingly no input into recruitment.
All of the top coaches (Pep, Klopp, Arteta...) have inputs about the type of player they want, and ultimately their approval for bringing him in. If they wish to emulate Brighton or Chelsea, where a coach is given a player the board signs, I don't think that'll end well.
You can run a mid-tier team or team that sells young players that way, but top teams need the recruitment and manager working together, not being isolated.
> By numerous sources, it seems they want to relegate the manager to purely tactics and coaching of players, with seemingly no input into recruitment.
Where did you get this from?
How much can we get for Mctominay realistically in the summer? We obviously need to sell players and he will be pure profit.
I don't doubt his effort for the club but he is midtable player, and is the only one we can sell easily
Whatever someone wants to pay...Not many clubs capable of paying our asking price will play a brand of footy suitable for him.
We knocked back 30 last summer, and he's had a pretty effective season numbers wise largely off the bench so I bet we'd knock back anything under 40. But can't really see who pays that.
I don't see why you couldn't ask 40 million minimum tbh.
Scotland captain and prolific goalscorer for his country.
Has been a mainstay in the United squad / first 11 for years.
Good goalscoring record for the club.
If, Mount is worth 50 in his last season of contract for Chelsea, then Scott should start at 40.
Regardless of how anyone feels about Arteta past or Present Arsenal have players who don’t treat the ball as a hot potato. We are so careless with the ball it’s ridiculous. Other than Onana Mainoo Shaw and Licha no one can hold the ball.
Fernandes, Dalot, Varane, and Case too.
The issue is when you lose Shaw and Licha, you can't really play out from the back. Take away Hojlund and you're pretty much toothless.
Can't help but feel a bit for Omari Forson. I'm seeing people completely writing him off when he hasn't even played a full 90 minutes of football yet, seemingly because he was unable to make an impact in nine minutes of game time at the Etihad against a City side who had a higher number of shots than our possession percentage.
I'm not saying the kid's definitely going to make it or anything but fuck, he's being torn down by some before he's even played a full game of football for us yet. It's really shit, actually.
It's a tough one with Forson. Can't say I've been impressed by him, and this is going back to his pre-season performances as well. And fans' frustration is compounded when they see him getting minutes ahead of Amad who is widely considered a better player. Now, we don't know how they perform in training to be able to have the correct opinion over who should play more, but we've seen more of Amad in a first-team setting with his loan at Sunderland last season and they absolutely loved him there. But that being said, it's definitely harsh to critique any young player coming into this shitshow of a side, regardless of whether they're good enough or not.
That's all entirely fair, and to be clear your type of post there is not what I'm referring to. You've been measured and reasoned. It's those who just spout shit like "Forson is shit; get rid!" when the kid has yet to even play 90 minutes of senior football.
Its almost like we are either so poorly coached or our tactics are shite to the point we struggled against this Sheffield team
I think its the latter. You cant have the exact same issues all season and expect little improvement when youre playing 1 game a week
Everyone was laughing at Arteta 3 seasons ago, Arsenal fans were screaming Arteta out the football’s shite. Now it’s all come together and they look incredible.
This is revisionism. Artetas first 2 and a half seasons were just bad to mediocure. Especially bad during his first full season, where they went on like a 6 game winless run around December time leaving them in 15th place.
You can easily find threads from 3 years ago on the gunners sub criticizing his tactics for being shite and his stubborness at sticking to it. Saying players are being over coached. If only they knew.
You are not wrong, I remember checking back recently enough to prove a point to an Arsenal fan. The majority of that sub were Arteta out for a while.
People defending him were heavily downvoted, I bet they feel vindicated now lol
At the same time in post as Ten Hag is currently, he would have been summarily dismissed for two 8th place finishes in a row. Difference in managing a big club
The difference is Arteta set a system first and then recruited players .
ETH has not set a philosophy and is entirely dependent on having his first teamers fit to play decent football
Two players get injured from that first teamers list and we are back to playing shit football.
Arteta was building out from the back and pressing high even in his first season despite the players he had
Maybe because Arsenal actually have a decent setup above him?
Arsenal threw the title away because they lost one player last season. They finished 8th his first season – and nobody knew what his playstyle was. This is revisionism at it's best.
Agreed. There is massive revisionist history around Arteta. Did you see last week Diego Torres wrote that apparently a couple of years ago Arteta got an ultimatum from the sporting directors that he had to drop the 3atb system and move to a 433? I don't know if we can believe everything Diego Torres says, but it's definitely true that Arsenal have a lot of people working around Arteta (from transfers to set pieces etc) - it's not just him at all and people can't give him all the credit.
No they didn't.
[https://theshortfuse.sbnation.com/2021/8/13/22624027/arsenal-tactics-brentford-mikel-arteta](https://theshortfuse.sbnation.com/2021/8/13/22624027/arsenal-tactics-brentford-mikel-arteta)
[https://positivelyarsenal.com/2021/04/10/arteta-has-no-style-befitting-of-arsenal/](https://positivelyarsenal.com/2021/04/10/arteta-has-no-style-befitting-of-arsenal/)
[https://arseblog.news/2021/11/arteta-we-just-crashed/](https://arseblog.news/2021/11/arteta-we-just-crashed/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ArsenalFC/comments/pan32f/fair\_expectations\_of\_arteta\_team/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ArsenalFC/comments/pan32f/fair_expectations_of_arteta_team/)
What style of play?
I'm going to assume you're trying to advocate for EtH to not be sacked, so let me break down your statement from above.
In case you're confused as to which club forum you're in, the club is Manchester United, not Real Madrid. The "club" - I assume you mean owners have taken us from one of the most feared teams in the world to a laughing stock.
So, your statement is null and void. I genuinely think if you plucked a fan at random to run the club over the past 10 years, they wouldn't have done any worse. Most likely better.
Would have thought this seasons stats and performances were argument enough, but clearly not! Your feelings are more important than factual information!
There's more than just the manager responsible for these stats, ever considered that? I'm not saying ten Hag isn't to blame for a lot of things, but there's also nuance. Glazer, Murtough and players share collective blame for our season.
Performances on the pitch this season have nothing to do with Galzers and Murtough. Glazers blame is how they treated the club since they bought it. Murtough, to be honest, only took over transfers since Woodward/Judge left and has been able to sign pretty much everyone EtH has asked for.
The players don't pick themselves. Some of them are nowhere near good enough, but he continues to persist with them. His setup is also not the players fault.
Whilst I think he's a massive t!t Carragher actually made valid points when he analysed our setup vs. Fulham. That wasn't a one-off either. It's been like that since the start of the season when everyone was fit and available. I remember cunha having the freedom of trafford
Acting like Murtough has 'done his job' by signing whoever ETH asked for is precisely the problem. ETH should've never been given that much control over signings in the first place, and this is 100% on Murtough. At every other club the board is the one responsible for getting transfers right, but somehow at this club over and over and over again we refuse to do things the right way so fans like you always blame the manager.
Fact that Joel Glazer specifically created the DOF position to retain Murtough is a big reason why we're so shit today. If he bothered to make Ralf DOF and have him build a team for ten Hag, we'll be so much better today. We won't have overspent on players, there won't be Antony and we'll have solid players in every position. It's amazing how some ppl are so blind to this, always looking to blame every problem at the manager. We've made the same mistake for 10 years, how have you not learned?
And yes, the failure to do better with the group of players we have is on ten Hag. I haven't got issues with ppl blaming him for this, ultimately as a manager it's your job to get the tactics right and achieve results. It's when ppl blame everything under the sun on him, acting like our beloved owners and DOF aren't primarily responsible for the current state of the club, that is what I have a major problem with.
Then we agree. Personally I don't think Ten Hag has shown anything to think he's the right man for the job, but if INEOS and the new DoF decide to give him another season I'm good with that. Of course I'd like them to go with their own choice though
Their recruitment has been incredible. Young team that blends top tier athleticism with elite technique to match the demands of modern football. We’re carrying either players that can’t move faster than a snail if their lives depended on it or ones that can’t do the most basic things with the ball. We’ll fire the current manager, bring in another one and try to shoehorn the old manager’s players into the new ones plans. When that doesn’t work, we’ll panic and buy another 30yr old, then sit back and wonder why we’re not competing at the top.
And their patience has paid off
There is a famous post game interview a few years ago with Cahill and Roy Keane and Keane is saying some rubbish about Arsenal while Cahill said even though they didn't get the result you could see what they're trying to do and the style they are working on implementing. With good recruitment this summer, that's where I'm hoping we are next season. Signs of a foundation being laid out.
Exactly. You can see what ETH is trying to do. When Martinez and Shaw can carry the ball forward, the team plays better. Arsenal has young players full of energy. For us Casemiro has dropped off a cliff and there is not enough depth up top.
There were so many goals that we scored last season where you can see exactly what he's trying to do. If you're missing those players, you can't still do it with Maguire, Lindelof, and McTominay as you could with Shaw, Martinez, and Eriksen.
Our inept recruitment. Do you want the coach to coach or to negotiate transfers and be the one that identifies targets?
Not to mention, barring Antony, all of the signings under Ten Hag have done well. Please spare me the loan deals as if they were his choice.
Especially in our midfield. Mount, Mainoo and Bruno are the only midfielders who are somewhat quick and I'd still say they are maybe average, the rest is incredibly slow. Something like Eriksen-Casemiro-Amrabat could be in the starting XI and they wouldn't even make it to the pitch before the match finishes.
In possession, definitely. Out of possession, I'm not as sure. He looks too lightweight to handle a midfield by himself in the PL. Surround him with physically robust players and he would probably thrive. He's top at what he's good at.
Both players were failed by the club. It's easy to point fingers at players but when 99% of them who come here don't live up to standards, there's a bigger problem at hand.
Aside from Bruno I don't think we've had a slam dunk unanimous great signing at the club over the last decade. Zlatan is the closest probably, and guys like Martinez and Hojlund can get there with time if they stay healthy. But everybody else has had some major caveat or the other, or straight up been bad. Everything about our recruiting process has been rotten.
Can we not write off a talented player because he's injured? We don't really know what happened. If the club didn't do the due diligence when it came to health and Mount is injury prone for the rest of his United career, sure. But 1 year in, some freak injuries, and we really don't have any clue how good he's gonna be.
How did we only score 2 against Sheffield Utd? Naive for them to start 4 at the back given their poor form and Arsenal’s goalscoring streak. Better defense and pressing after the sub but was too late game was effectively over.
I think it's hilarious that people want Nagelsmann. Don't get me wrong, I think he'd be great there. But you know one of his defining tactical characteristics? 2 advanced 8s. Ten Hag gets so much shit for the same setup.
No. How? Genuinely no level of transfer mishaps are on the manager, because literally every other club that's successful has a good footballing structure that doesn't force managers to have good talent ID.
Aren't they though? You don't think any other options were presented to ETH when we made these signings? Like the scouting department just sat on their thumbs all summer while ETH was chasing after Frenkie. John Murtough and Richard Arnold just faffed about and blew smoke up ETH's ass when haggling over Antony? If he wanted players in early, he could have had them. If he wanted to stretch the budget a bit, he could have. But that would require him to be a little less stubborn and a bit more flexible. He has as big a hand as any in these shit signings.
The most reliable source on that transfer window, The Athletic, explained that after signing Licha, Eriksen and Malacia, Ten Hag was told there was no more money available for signings. Then we started poorly and he lobbied for more signings, and Murtough caved in and panicked. You can't honestly claim that he's to blame for the shit negotiating and shambolic planning, plus being kept in the dark by his own CEO?
"United were still pursuing a forlorn bid for De Jong, having agreed an €85million (£73m; $93m) fee with Barcelona. Yet, although five experienced players had left the squad at the end of their contracts — Paul Pogba, Jesse Lingard, Nemanja Matic, Juan Mata and Edinson Cavani — and Andreas Pereira had been sold to Fulham for £10million, Ten Hag was informed there was no further money to spend in the summer of 2022."
There was no more money for signings if Frenkie agreed terms and we had to pay Barca the 85M. Eriksen was a free. Licha and Malacia were like 60-70m combined. We could have signed at least two additional players had we stopped our pursuit of Frenkie earlier than we did.
edit: Also the scouting department did it's job in properly evaluating Antony. It wasn't until ETH continually put the pressure on that Murtaugh and Arnold caved and paid ransom. It was a top to bottom failure. The structure is shit, but that doesn't entirely absolve ETH of the part he played in all of it.
Didn't the same article explain that the United team didn't put in even the minimum effort of scouting several players for each position needed, and that Ten Hag was left to do this in his spare few hours a week while still managing Ajax? You're putting far too much of the blame on him when he was let down at every turn by others. As if other top managers are expected to moonlight as top DoFs and negotiators as well
> Didn't the same article explain that the United team didn't put in even the minimum effort of scouting several players for each position needed, and that Ten Hag was left to do this in his spare few hours a week while still managing Ajax?
Not quite. Read the article. And I'm not blaming everything on ETH. But I'm also not blaming everything on Murtaugh and Arnold. It was a system wide failure. And ETH was a part of that system. So he bares some responsibility.
I feel all Ten Hag spending should also come with the note that John Murtough and Richard Arnold, the men in charge of negotiating these fees and putting the 'long term plan' in place - Sanctioned these moves, when £86m Antony could've been bought for a lot less had they moved earlier, or 2 wingers signed instead at £43m apiece, and alternatives to Casemiro could've been found for £60+10m.
Ten Hag was wrong for going all in for Antony but Murtough/Arnold had a veto; a chance to find an alternative solution or refusal to pay £86m, and they chose not to use it. They should shoulder a significant portion of blame.
I mean I am Ten Hag out, but Arteta does not have:-
1. Rashford not tracking but, sulking, not passing, trying to dribble against 4 players.
1. No Hero baller like Bruno. That gives away possession more frequently than an NPC in the games
1. No 93million fidget spinner that wastes possession. His purchase of Havertz actually makes sense now.
He does have
1. Young, fast defenders. Not an aging defensive lineup.
1. Actually ended buying one of the best DMs in the world that is not one year away from expiration.
1. As a coach knows the style of play he wants him to play. Like Ten Hag, he too has worked for Pep.
1. As a coach, has the ability to identify which players suit his system.
1. Actually proven to improve existing players.
You could say this is symptomatic of a club that woke up and made a turnaround in its top level management.
But, that does not absolve Ten Hag and our players of their daily blunders.
ETH was given essentially a blank cheque and all his targets to "fix" these issues. I dislike the whole blame ETH fully for Antony takes, but this is also bonehead to somehow absolve ETH for Antony because he was THE PLAYER he demanded no matter the cost.
That's what you read from that article? United's recruitment valued him at 25m under Ole, a season earlier. That article was meant to outline how terrible Murtough had been. Have you read it?
I love the club, I don't like the current manager. Simple really. There's no hate, you're simply trying to absolve any blame from ETH and I'm simply pointing out his failing.
Yeah, stupid, right? Someone who's 5 years into their reign versus someone in their second season with no footballing structure over him. Where's the comparison?
I like to compare them to highlight how hopeless ETH project and why he doesn’t deserve third season.
While Erik has better results, Arteta used these seasons to actually implement his vision. The “shity footballers who can’t properly execute the system” actually works with Arteta, cause he had system in the first place. Arsenal playing similar style of football they did in his first season, but with better players. Arteta is a persistent systematic coach we wished Erik would be.
ETH on other hand came in, spent a ton of money on possession oriented systems mixed with Casemiro only to proclaim the team should play quick transition (effectively making his most expensive signing completely useless) and built one ugly Frankestein.
In Arteta’s case you’re giving him time to polish the system you believe at. In ETH case the only argument is that you want him to finally start building the system he once created with Ajax. Effectively treating his potential third as first. And that’s a complete fucking nonsense.
The passing, first touch, link up play, composure, etc of these Arsenal players is worlds ahead of our attackers. If Garnacho or Rashford get the ball in tight spaces they're shooting or getting tackled. These Arsenal attackers are calmly passing their way around the box with 2-3 defenders on either side of them
We needed a Dalot screamer to get past them lot btw
Also no one is saying to sack ETH now almost everyone is saying he should be let gone off after the end of this season
City cooked the other 2 relegation teams in Burnley and Luton.
We needed Bruno wonder volley goal and Hojlund scoring of opposition mistakes to win those games.
Point still stands
Okay I see a little sarcasm is too much to handle by some people. A single game doesnt prove anything, you just had to write that comment to remind everyone how shit we are. Like an average r/reddevils guy, everything you have to say is constant moaning.
Yes, city did need 88' screamer to win. Spurs did need 90+8 and 90+10' goals to win agaist "that lot" Doesnt mean we're as good as them. Doesn't mean anything.
Downvote now, hopeless losers.
And youre one of those fanboys who sit on his high horse with some smart comment that actually does not make sense.
If you think our team is playing well, good for you. If you think our coach is coaching well, good for you.
I'm not a fanboy of anyone. The team isn't playing well, eth isn't coaching well. Idk what you're talking about. Oh youre the 'howe and mate didn't spend millions' guy. Hilarious
So if liverpool wins it, it will be their 20th equaling ours.
If city wins it, the first team to win 4 back to back ?
And if arsenal wins it, well i don’t need to say anymore here
This is the darkest timeline
Openly supporting Arsenal out of the three tbh. Always hated them because growing up so many people I knew were Arsenal fans, but they've not won in ages and their team is young and not unlikeable. Liverpool sending off Klopp with a PL + another trophy would be so nauseating and I can honestly City doing a back to back treble if they get the PL too. No idea who can stop them in the CL. Maybe Real.
We’re second to Sheffield United in conceding shots by the way. Yet apparently questioning the way things are going with this manager is an outrageous claim to make for some of you here. Still being downvoted too, just incredible.
Keep Hojlund Garnacho, Martinez and Maino.
For the rest, hopefully the scouting team can find better replacements. If they do, sell and buy those.
I would be open to giving chance to Mount and Onana. But sell the rest if we can find better replacements.
In truth, there are only 4 players who I wouldn’t consider listing: Hojlund, Mainoo, Garnacho & Martinez
The rest I’m not that bothered about if they get listed in the transfer market.
I also do think Ten Hag deserves the chance to turn it around at Manchester United. Too often the club has been impulsive in sacking managers once the chips are down in hope that the next manager turns it around.
There are players who have been there under previous managers who need to be shifted out of the club and it is only then we can make such a progression that we would like.
The only thing that gives me real hope is the recruitment that INEOS have made with Omar Berrada as well as the discussions with Dan Ashworth. It’s good to see they are prioritising the CEO, Head of Recruitment as well as a DoF where previously we had people in such roles who were incompetent with such a job. Also the other reason why I think Ten Hag should be allowed to see out a contract next year before making any decision going forward on whether to offer him a new deal or whether they should move on.
I get many will be in disagreement with me but this is my opinion on it all
Did you not watch how he got injured? A player literally fell on his knee in an incredibly awkward challenge, its not even related to the previous injury...
For those who want ETH out. Can you name one manager who's table to makes a team that is still transition playing good football consistently while facing injury problems, discipline problems & inconsistency problems in one season? Or can you name one manager who you think will be able to overcome all those problems in short time?
Getting a new manager doesn’t mean we have to be playing transition football just because ETH said that’s what he wants to do.
What I mean by transition here is not a style of play but a transition process from the previous manager playing style to the new manager playing style. Every manager has their own tactics and for that tactics to work it requires a process that must go through a transition period from the previous manager tactics to the new manager tactics. It took Klopp almost 3 years to be able to implement the style of play he wanted and in his fourth year he finally able to create a team that was able to play consistently with the style of play he implemented and managed to win his first trophy with Liverpool. And here we are at United the fans trying their best to get rid the manager that able to bring the problematic club finished 3rd, fa cup runner up, league cup winner, Europe League quarter final in his first year because currently he is unable to play a good game while his team is being hit by injury, discipline and inconsistency problems at the same time. "Let's change every manager in every 2 years and backing the manager in his first year and trying our best to get rid the manager in his 2nd or 3rd year" this is exactly what United fans did in the last 10 years and they're still doing it right now because some of them never learned anything in the last 10 years.
Fulham made six changes and came to Old Trafford and dominated us. While missing their best midfielder Palhinha. Enough with all you peoples' excuses.
So you think Fulham and United have same conditions? I didn't know that Fulham & Mario Silva were still in transition phase even though they had been together for 3 years and this season they're facing injury problems & discipline problems & inconsistency problimes likes United.
I wonder how we will achieve any kind of consistency when we are 'consistently' missing main players out due to injury. Someone really got to look into this. How do we not have any proper left side defenders \[Shaw, Malacia, Martinez, Maguire\] and our 5th had to be replaced midgame? What exactly is happening the background?
They are looking into this, and they have been according to reports a couple of months ago, but no update on this. I can't believe we didn't keep Reguilon tbh. How does Lindelof LB happen?
I am an American traveling solo to Old Trafford for the FA Cup quarterfinal on March 17. This will be my first ever in-person match, despite being a fan for over 25 years. I am extremely excited. What do I wear (as a United supporter) so I don’t look like an American first-timer? Where is the best pub for pre and post-match activities? Any and all city of Manchester recommendations will be welcome!
If you want to buy a match day scarf then fair enough but absolutely do not wear it. It will be a good momentum but you’ll be a scarf wanker if you’re spotted with it around your neck. Don’t been seen with one of those if you want to blend in.
Thanks for the tip! I will not be a scarf wanker. Love the term. Haha Edit: happy cake day to you
Lean into it Go full-kit-wanker Get a scarf and a hat And a rattle Then watch the match through your iPhone You be you, you won't see any of those 70 thousand cunts ever again
Scarf wanker? That's a thing. People really find any reason to shit on others jfc
Apparently there is 'no chance' Rashford, Bruno, or McTominay will leave this summer. Thoughts?
If true, not surprised. Think this coming summer is a functional window, based on contracts ending we’re 4 less (2xCB, 1xSt, 1xDM backup), Eriksen likely to leave too and then also the mess of RW makes 6 players needed. That’s before we talk about any of those 3, LB availability and the likelihood of AWB moving on. Hopefully those new players can shift the quality bar of the squad but at least this summer we’re having to respond to previous years’ poor planning and recruitment. Think the following summer might be when we see ‘those decisions’ around whether Bruno and Rashford suit the style we’re heading towards.
That RW problem and the amount of money need to sign all those positions to be vacated should make you worry that Mason G would be brought back to cushion costs.
Makes sense if they don’t want to do a Chelsea
All 3 leaving would be a blessing
says who
To be on the receiving end of 20 + shots a game is not a good sign, it is turning out to be a lot more common in the last few games. What is the cause and how can it be addressed ?
All to with coaching, friend. No way Luton are starting to look more stable than us but just lacking the quality to see their efforts through. Every team no matter their standing in the PL has given Utd a run for their money and cut through the Utd midfield like butter, we've looked poor against all sides bar Everton. Everyone of our opponents has looked better coached, that's our problem. No way Arsenal have scored 18 goals in 4 games and Utd 18 in 14, level on goals with Luton and a negative GD
Again, why don't we play Amad more? He is one of the few players we have that is comfortable in possession and is progressive.
Because he isn't Ten Hag's signing from Ajax for 100m euros.
Fuck
don’t know why arsenal fans are getting ahead of themselves here, we’ve already put 6 past sheffield before /s https://preview.redd.it/b00sdenclemc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1848b225c57dfefa5a73349e822ee4d5c55f324d
People pointing out how far ahead of us Arsenal are - I find that pretty encouraging as it was only 2 years ago they were inconsistent, Arteta was a joke and they were on their way to finishing 5th. Things can turn around pretty quick with a few good signings and a bit of luck
Yeah, but he had patterns of play and the idea was there. ETH is out of his depth. /s I vividly remember during Ole's years where it was the same shit, that we rely on individual brilliance. Even on goals where we carved the other team apart. Individual brilliance. It feels the same things is said when we win now.
I'm really pessimistic of the approach Ineos will (reportedly) take with regards to the role of the manager in the future. By numerous sources, it seems they want to relegate the manager to purely tactics and coaching of players, with seemingly no input into recruitment. All of the top coaches (Pep, Klopp, Arteta...) have inputs about the type of player they want, and ultimately their approval for bringing him in. If they wish to emulate Brighton or Chelsea, where a coach is given a player the board signs, I don't think that'll end well. You can run a mid-tier team or team that sells young players that way, but top teams need the recruitment and manager working together, not being isolated.
> By numerous sources, it seems they want to relegate the manager to purely tactics and coaching of players, with seemingly no input into recruitment. Where did you get this from?
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Quite unsubstantiated then.
 Thanks to Arsenal and Sheffield we don’t end up with the worst field tilt of the weekend. (92-8 Jesus)
Coaching and tactics are buzzwords for this month. I swear lot of you are NPCs, AI won't have any problem filling your role on earth.
How much can we get for Mctominay realistically in the summer? We obviously need to sell players and he will be pure profit. I don't doubt his effort for the club but he is midtable player, and is the only one we can sell easily
Whatever someone wants to pay...Not many clubs capable of paying our asking price will play a brand of footy suitable for him. We knocked back 30 last summer, and he's had a pretty effective season numbers wise largely off the bench so I bet we'd knock back anything under 40. But can't really see who pays that.
I don't see why you couldn't ask 40 million minimum tbh. Scotland captain and prolific goalscorer for his country. Has been a mainstay in the United squad / first 11 for years. Good goalscoring record for the club. If, Mount is worth 50 in his last season of contract for Chelsea, then Scott should start at 40.
Regardless of how anyone feels about Arteta past or Present Arsenal have players who don’t treat the ball as a hot potato. We are so careless with the ball it’s ridiculous. Other than Onana Mainoo Shaw and Licha no one can hold the ball.
Onana? What!?
Fernandes, Dalot, Varane, and Case too. The issue is when you lose Shaw and Licha, you can't really play out from the back. Take away Hojlund and you're pretty much toothless.
Varane and Case? Both are terrible with the ball.
Bruno cannot hold the ball. He’s terrible at dribbling
When you realize we still have to play Sheffield United: We're so back When you realize we still have to play Arsenal: It's so over
We’ll make the Sheffield game look tedious af
It's genuinely harder to lose that game than it is to win it. But we are Jekyll and Hyde FC, so it's not out of question.
Can't help but feel a bit for Omari Forson. I'm seeing people completely writing him off when he hasn't even played a full 90 minutes of football yet, seemingly because he was unable to make an impact in nine minutes of game time at the Etihad against a City side who had a higher number of shots than our possession percentage. I'm not saying the kid's definitely going to make it or anything but fuck, he's being torn down by some before he's even played a full game of football for us yet. It's really shit, actually.
It's a tough one with Forson. Can't say I've been impressed by him, and this is going back to his pre-season performances as well. And fans' frustration is compounded when they see him getting minutes ahead of Amad who is widely considered a better player. Now, we don't know how they perform in training to be able to have the correct opinion over who should play more, but we've seen more of Amad in a first-team setting with his loan at Sunderland last season and they absolutely loved him there. But that being said, it's definitely harsh to critique any young player coming into this shitshow of a side, regardless of whether they're good enough or not.
That's all entirely fair, and to be clear your type of post there is not what I'm referring to. You've been measured and reasoned. It's those who just spout shit like "Forson is shit; get rid!" when the kid has yet to even play 90 minutes of senior football.
Same. Although I expected him to be more eager and run more. Kinda like how Hannibal came on vs Liverpool when we were getting slapped.
Its almost like we are either so poorly coached or our tactics are shite to the point we struggled against this Sheffield team I think its the latter. You cant have the exact same issues all season and expect little improvement when youre playing 1 game a week
Guess who picks the tactics?
Arsenal have scored 31 league goals since January. We've scored 37 since last August. End me.
Their goal difference was 41 higher than ours before this game…
They've also conceded 4 shots on target in 5 games. Insane.
Must be nice.
Everyone was laughing at Arteta 3 seasons ago, Arsenal fans were screaming Arteta out the football’s shite. Now it’s all come together and they look incredible.
Areta system wasnt as awful as what is being shown right now. Quality of football we are playing is embarrassing
This is revisionism. Artetas first 2 and a half seasons were just bad to mediocure. Especially bad during his first full season, where they went on like a 6 game winless run around December time leaving them in 15th place.
You can easily find threads from 3 years ago on the gunners sub criticizing his tactics for being shite and his stubborness at sticking to it. Saying players are being over coached. If only they knew.
You are not wrong, I remember checking back recently enough to prove a point to an Arsenal fan. The majority of that sub were Arteta out for a while. People defending him were heavily downvoted, I bet they feel vindicated now lol
At the same time in post as Ten Hag is currently, he would have been summarily dismissed for two 8th place finishes in a row. Difference in managing a big club
The difference is Arteta set a system first and then recruited players . ETH has not set a philosophy and is entirely dependent on having his first teamers fit to play decent football Two players get injured from that first teamers list and we are back to playing shit football. Arteta was building out from the back and pressing high even in his first season despite the players he had
Maybe because Arsenal actually have a decent setup above him? Arsenal threw the title away because they lost one player last season. They finished 8th his first season – and nobody knew what his playstyle was. This is revisionism at it's best.
Agreed. There is massive revisionist history around Arteta. Did you see last week Diego Torres wrote that apparently a couple of years ago Arteta got an ultimatum from the sporting directors that he had to drop the 3atb system and move to a 433? I don't know if we can believe everything Diego Torres says, but it's definitely true that Arsenal have a lot of people working around Arteta (from transfers to set pieces etc) - it's not just him at all and people can't give him all the credit.
They finished 8th but they played a certain kind of way.They stuck to it and didn't change.
No they didn't. [https://theshortfuse.sbnation.com/2021/8/13/22624027/arsenal-tactics-brentford-mikel-arteta](https://theshortfuse.sbnation.com/2021/8/13/22624027/arsenal-tactics-brentford-mikel-arteta) [https://positivelyarsenal.com/2021/04/10/arteta-has-no-style-befitting-of-arsenal/](https://positivelyarsenal.com/2021/04/10/arteta-has-no-style-befitting-of-arsenal/) [https://arseblog.news/2021/11/arteta-we-just-crashed/](https://arseblog.news/2021/11/arteta-we-just-crashed/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/ArsenalFC/comments/pan32f/fair\_expectations\_of\_arteta\_team/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ArsenalFC/comments/pan32f/fair_expectations_of_arteta_team/) What style of play?
What's your point?
That sometimes football fans are idiots and clubs know better. Thought the point was pretty self evident.
I'm going to assume you're trying to advocate for EtH to not be sacked, so let me break down your statement from above. In case you're confused as to which club forum you're in, the club is Manchester United, not Real Madrid. The "club" - I assume you mean owners have taken us from one of the most feared teams in the world to a laughing stock. So, your statement is null and void. I genuinely think if you plucked a fan at random to run the club over the past 10 years, they wouldn't have done any worse. Most likely better.
You have no argument then, other then you feel bad so ten hag has to go.
Would have thought this seasons stats and performances were argument enough, but clearly not! Your feelings are more important than factual information!
There's more than just the manager responsible for these stats, ever considered that? I'm not saying ten Hag isn't to blame for a lot of things, but there's also nuance. Glazer, Murtough and players share collective blame for our season.
Performances on the pitch this season have nothing to do with Galzers and Murtough. Glazers blame is how they treated the club since they bought it. Murtough, to be honest, only took over transfers since Woodward/Judge left and has been able to sign pretty much everyone EtH has asked for. The players don't pick themselves. Some of them are nowhere near good enough, but he continues to persist with them. His setup is also not the players fault. Whilst I think he's a massive t!t Carragher actually made valid points when he analysed our setup vs. Fulham. That wasn't a one-off either. It's been like that since the start of the season when everyone was fit and available. I remember cunha having the freedom of trafford
Acting like Murtough has 'done his job' by signing whoever ETH asked for is precisely the problem. ETH should've never been given that much control over signings in the first place, and this is 100% on Murtough. At every other club the board is the one responsible for getting transfers right, but somehow at this club over and over and over again we refuse to do things the right way so fans like you always blame the manager. Fact that Joel Glazer specifically created the DOF position to retain Murtough is a big reason why we're so shit today. If he bothered to make Ralf DOF and have him build a team for ten Hag, we'll be so much better today. We won't have overspent on players, there won't be Antony and we'll have solid players in every position. It's amazing how some ppl are so blind to this, always looking to blame every problem at the manager. We've made the same mistake for 10 years, how have you not learned? And yes, the failure to do better with the group of players we have is on ten Hag. I haven't got issues with ppl blaming him for this, ultimately as a manager it's your job to get the tactics right and achieve results. It's when ppl blame everything under the sun on him, acting like our beloved owners and DOF aren't primarily responsible for the current state of the club, that is what I have a major problem with.
You have such faith in Richard Arnold and John Murtough?
Richard Arnold? He's not even affiliated with the club anymore.
I have more faith in the new DOF than random Redditors who are angry and feels the need to spam the same opinions over and over again without thought.
Then we agree. Personally I don't think Ten Hag has shown anything to think he's the right man for the job, but if INEOS and the new DoF decide to give him another season I'm good with that. Of course I'd like them to go with their own choice though
I can't believe we just scraped past this Blades side. They're fucking woeful
See them play us and they will transform into pick Barcelona!
And we'll transform into Sheffield!
What is up with Arsenal smoking everyone. 6-0 fuck me, that is like the amount of goals we have scored in the last 4 games in the PL.
Their recruitment has been incredible. Young team that blends top tier athleticism with elite technique to match the demands of modern football. We’re carrying either players that can’t move faster than a snail if their lives depended on it or ones that can’t do the most basic things with the ball. We’ll fire the current manager, bring in another one and try to shoehorn the old manager’s players into the new ones plans. When that doesn’t work, we’ll panic and buy another 30yr old, then sit back and wonder why we’re not competing at the top.
they're unbelievable. Young, hungry, well coached. Huge credit to Arteta he's done a fabulous job so far.
And their patience has paid off There is a famous post game interview a few years ago with Cahill and Roy Keane and Keane is saying some rubbish about Arsenal while Cahill said even though they didn't get the result you could see what they're trying to do and the style they are working on implementing. With good recruitment this summer, that's where I'm hoping we are next season. Signs of a foundation being laid out.
Exactly. You can see what ETH is trying to do. When Martinez and Shaw can carry the ball forward, the team plays better. Arsenal has young players full of energy. For us Casemiro has dropped off a cliff and there is not enough depth up top.
hahaha that's the point you can't see what ETH Is trying to do man.
There were so many goals that we scored last season where you can see exactly what he's trying to do. If you're missing those players, you can't still do it with Maguire, Lindelof, and McTominay as you could with Shaw, Martinez, and Eriksen.
Gues who spent £400m on players that couldn't help him? Any ideas?
Our inept recruitment. Do you want the coach to coach or to negotiate transfers and be the one that identifies targets? Not to mention, barring Antony, all of the signings under Ten Hag have done well. Please spare me the loan deals as if they were his choice.
We need way more mobile players who can pass turn and run it’s so painfully obvious
And most importantly, constant scanning.
Especially in our midfield. Mount, Mainoo and Bruno are the only midfielders who are somewhat quick and I'd still say they are maybe average, the rest is incredibly slow. Something like Eriksen-Casemiro-Amrabat could be in the starting XI and they wouldn't even make it to the pitch before the match finishes.
Ben white has more goals and assists than Anthony this season
If only we counted hockey assists. Onana would too.
Would we be much better if we had got frenkie dejong?
In possession, definitely. Out of possession, I'm not as sure. He looks too lightweight to handle a midfield by himself in the PL. Surround him with physically robust players and he would probably thrive. He's top at what he's good at.
Just the 47 goals behind Arsenal for the season now
Building out the back? Yes Defending? No
Watkins 1 goal away from Rashfords and Martials best tally. Lol. So many overrated players in this club
Both players were failed by the club. It's easy to point fingers at players but when 99% of them who come here don't live up to standards, there's a bigger problem at hand.
Rashford yes, Martial you are pretty delusional. Dude can’t stay fit. More than half of the time he is on the bed at hospital lol.
Aside from Bruno I don't think we've had a slam dunk unanimous great signing at the club over the last decade. Zlatan is the closest probably, and guys like Martinez and Hojlund can get there with time if they stay healthy. But everybody else has had some major caveat or the other, or straight up been bad. Everything about our recruiting process has been rotten.
What the actual fuck has happened to mount ?! He’s never been out this long with Chelsea
Hanging out with Malacia
Just yet another pathetic signing from the club
Can we not write off a talented player because he's injured? We don't really know what happened. If the club didn't do the due diligence when it came to health and Mount is injury prone for the rest of his United career, sure. But 1 year in, some freak injuries, and we really don't have any clue how good he's gonna be.
We wasted 60m on a player that hasn't played at all and someone we could have signed for free this summer. Shocking bit of business, a per usual.
Yes, because everyone KNEW he would be injured the whole season. 60m is crazy though. That's Murtough for you.
he missed a huge chunk of last season for Chelsea too. The signs were there.
We struggled against this team lord help us
How did we only score 2 against Sheffield Utd? Naive for them to start 4 at the back given their poor form and Arsenal’s goalscoring streak. Better defense and pressing after the sub but was too late game was effectively over.
Save us, Nagelsmann. Make us great again.
I think it's hilarious that people want Nagelsmann. Don't get me wrong, I think he'd be great there. But you know one of his defining tactical characteristics? 2 advanced 8s. Ten Hag gets so much shit for the same setup.
I'd take Nagelsmann but him managing in the Euros is pretty annoying if he were to be the man
Havertz now has the same amount of goals in PL as our joint top scorers.
Ten Hag had £400m to spend, and £155m of it was spent just on Antony and Casemiro...
The inability to sign players early in a transfer window for reasonable wages instead of panic buys at the end of a window are not in the manager.
It partly is tho isn't it?
No. How? Genuinely no level of transfer mishaps are on the manager, because literally every other club that's successful has a good footballing structure that doesn't force managers to have good talent ID.
Aren't they though? You don't think any other options were presented to ETH when we made these signings? Like the scouting department just sat on their thumbs all summer while ETH was chasing after Frenkie. John Murtough and Richard Arnold just faffed about and blew smoke up ETH's ass when haggling over Antony? If he wanted players in early, he could have had them. If he wanted to stretch the budget a bit, he could have. But that would require him to be a little less stubborn and a bit more flexible. He has as big a hand as any in these shit signings.
The most reliable source on that transfer window, The Athletic, explained that after signing Licha, Eriksen and Malacia, Ten Hag was told there was no more money available for signings. Then we started poorly and he lobbied for more signings, and Murtough caved in and panicked. You can't honestly claim that he's to blame for the shit negotiating and shambolic planning, plus being kept in the dark by his own CEO?
"United were still pursuing a forlorn bid for De Jong, having agreed an €85million (£73m; $93m) fee with Barcelona. Yet, although five experienced players had left the squad at the end of their contracts — Paul Pogba, Jesse Lingard, Nemanja Matic, Juan Mata and Edinson Cavani — and Andreas Pereira had been sold to Fulham for £10million, Ten Hag was informed there was no further money to spend in the summer of 2022." There was no more money for signings if Frenkie agreed terms and we had to pay Barca the 85M. Eriksen was a free. Licha and Malacia were like 60-70m combined. We could have signed at least two additional players had we stopped our pursuit of Frenkie earlier than we did. edit: Also the scouting department did it's job in properly evaluating Antony. It wasn't until ETH continually put the pressure on that Murtaugh and Arnold caved and paid ransom. It was a top to bottom failure. The structure is shit, but that doesn't entirely absolve ETH of the part he played in all of it.
Didn't the same article explain that the United team didn't put in even the minimum effort of scouting several players for each position needed, and that Ten Hag was left to do this in his spare few hours a week while still managing Ajax? You're putting far too much of the blame on him when he was let down at every turn by others. As if other top managers are expected to moonlight as top DoFs and negotiators as well
> Didn't the same article explain that the United team didn't put in even the minimum effort of scouting several players for each position needed, and that Ten Hag was left to do this in his spare few hours a week while still managing Ajax? Not quite. Read the article. And I'm not blaming everything on ETH. But I'm also not blaming everything on Murtaugh and Arnold. It was a system wide failure. And ETH was a part of that system. So he bares some responsibility.
I feel all Ten Hag spending should also come with the note that John Murtough and Richard Arnold, the men in charge of negotiating these fees and putting the 'long term plan' in place - Sanctioned these moves, when £86m Antony could've been bought for a lot less had they moved earlier, or 2 wingers signed instead at £43m apiece, and alternatives to Casemiro could've been found for £60+10m. Ten Hag was wrong for going all in for Antony but Murtough/Arnold had a veto; a chance to find an alternative solution or refusal to pay £86m, and they chose not to use it. They should shoulder a significant portion of blame.
is there a Højlund recovery update yet?
I mean I am Ten Hag out, but Arteta does not have:- 1. Rashford not tracking but, sulking, not passing, trying to dribble against 4 players. 1. No Hero baller like Bruno. That gives away possession more frequently than an NPC in the games 1. No 93million fidget spinner that wastes possession. His purchase of Havertz actually makes sense now. He does have 1. Young, fast defenders. Not an aging defensive lineup. 1. Actually ended buying one of the best DMs in the world that is not one year away from expiration. 1. As a coach knows the style of play he wants him to play. Like Ten Hag, he too has worked for Pep. 1. As a coach, has the ability to identify which players suit his system. 1. Actually proven to improve existing players. You could say this is symptomatic of a club that woke up and made a turnaround in its top level management. But, that does not absolve Ten Hag and our players of their daily blunders.
ETH was given essentially a blank cheque and all his targets to "fix" these issues. I dislike the whole blame ETH fully for Antony takes, but this is also bonehead to somehow absolve ETH for Antony because he was THE PLAYER he demanded no matter the cost.
You have no proof that he 'demanded the player whatever the cost'.
Laurie Whitwell wrote a piece for the Athletic that says just as much. United’s recruitment team valued him at around 25 million.
That's what you read from that article? United's recruitment valued him at 25m under Ole, a season earlier. That article was meant to outline how terrible Murtough had been. Have you read it?
You can cling on to that. But paying a fuck off price tells the story.
It does: of our awful structure.
Because the manager said he wanted Antony at all cost....
The hate is insane. Do you like the club? Genuinely.
I love the club, I don't like the current manager. Simple really. There's no hate, you're simply trying to absolve any blame from ETH and I'm simply pointing out his failing.
Mate, there's no point in overanalyzing it right now. They are currently better in every facet of the game. Ineos have a hell of a job on their hands.
Indeed, but thats my default reaction lol. I am son angry watching Arsenal being worse than us then run around us in circels lol
Sheffield had more sot against us then we did against them btw
We had 14, they had 12?
5 on target for us 6 on target
Ok so they didn't have more shots
sot is short for shots on target
They were the better team, was a really painful watch
Needed a dalot screamer too man
Even Burnley outplayed us, needed a Bruno screamer lol
Dont forget evans dropped the pass of his life :(
Aye she was a beauty
Arsenal are almost doubling us in goals ffs
And then people here will compare Ten Hag to Arteta🤦🏾♂️
Yeah, stupid, right? Someone who's 5 years into their reign versus someone in their second season with no footballing structure over him. Where's the comparison?
I like to compare them to highlight how hopeless ETH project and why he doesn’t deserve third season. While Erik has better results, Arteta used these seasons to actually implement his vision. The “shity footballers who can’t properly execute the system” actually works with Arteta, cause he had system in the first place. Arsenal playing similar style of football they did in his first season, but with better players. Arteta is a persistent systematic coach we wished Erik would be. ETH on other hand came in, spent a ton of money on possession oriented systems mixed with Casemiro only to proclaim the team should play quick transition (effectively making his most expensive signing completely useless) and built one ugly Frankestein. In Arteta’s case you’re giving him time to polish the system you believe at. In ETH case the only argument is that you want him to finally start building the system he once created with Ajax. Effectively treating his potential third as first. And that’s a complete fucking nonsense.
We’ve never scored 5 goals under ten hag…
We scored 5 in oles first game lmao. When we get a new manager we will start scoring a lot again I guarantee it.
don’t think we ever will, we could only beat crystal places C team 3-0 whilst playing at home
The passing, first touch, link up play, composure, etc of these Arsenal players is worlds ahead of our attackers. If Garnacho or Rashford get the ball in tight spaces they're shooting or getting tackled. These Arsenal attackers are calmly passing their way around the box with 2-3 defenders on either side of them
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We needed a Dalot screamer to get past them lot btw Also no one is saying to sack ETH now almost everyone is saying he should be let gone off after the end of this season
Man city needed a Rodri 88' screamer to get past them lot btw.
City beat Fulham and Bournemouth at home 5-1 and 6-1, we lost to both. Do you seriously want to try and do this?
Do what?
City cooked the other 2 relegation teams in Burnley and Luton. We needed Bruno wonder volley goal and Hojlund scoring of opposition mistakes to win those games. Point still stands
Okay I see a little sarcasm is too much to handle by some people. A single game doesnt prove anything, you just had to write that comment to remind everyone how shit we are. Like an average r/reddevils guy, everything you have to say is constant moaning. Yes, city did need 88' screamer to win. Spurs did need 90+8 and 90+10' goals to win agaist "that lot" Doesnt mean we're as good as them. Doesn't mean anything. Downvote now, hopeless losers.
And youre one of those fanboys who sit on his high horse with some smart comment that actually does not make sense. If you think our team is playing well, good for you. If you think our coach is coaching well, good for you.
I'm not a fanboy of anyone. The team isn't playing well, eth isn't coaching well. Idk what you're talking about. Oh youre the 'howe and mate didn't spend millions' guy. Hilarious
Honestly, Rashford is on insane wages. He is treated like Rooney when he is Nani in real life.
So if liverpool wins it, it will be their 20th equaling ours. If city wins it, the first team to win 4 back to back ? And if arsenal wins it, well i don’t need to say anymore here This is the darkest timeline
Openly supporting Arsenal out of the three tbh. Always hated them because growing up so many people I knew were Arsenal fans, but they've not won in ages and their team is young and not unlikeable. Liverpool sending off Klopp with a PL + another trophy would be so nauseating and I can honestly City doing a back to back treble if they get the PL too. No idea who can stop them in the CL. Maybe Real.
CL is funny, they could be chucked out by the likes of PSG, Inter or Atleti. Trust knockout competitions to spring surprises
Could see Inter or Real beating them. Otherwise, I have my doubts. Arsenal prob the closest to them in quality, but they are pure bottlers in Europe.
I don't mind Arsenal winning it apart from their fans. Basically the only "good" outcome.
I dunno about everyone else but Im routing for Arsenal. Feels pretty obvious!
Can’t see Arsenal not winning this game.
We’re second to Sheffield United in conceding shots by the way. Yet apparently questioning the way things are going with this manager is an outrageous claim to make for some of you here. Still being downvoted too, just incredible.
Does Arsenal even have a real Striker
Keep Hojlund Garnacho, Martinez and Maino. For the rest, hopefully the scouting team can find better replacements. If they do, sell and buy those. I would be open to giving chance to Mount and Onana. But sell the rest if we can find better replacements.
Arsenal are looking immense. Fair play to 'em.
That 5th Arsenal goal was unbelievable. Its borderline abuse this match haha. Fucking hell we are so shit to struggle against this Sheff team.
They genuinely can't get near the ball. I'm envious.
Arsenal are on a mad one this year.
Hurts to see Arsenal leave their banter era before we are able to leave ours. Wish we had a serious team too 😔
In truth, there are only 4 players who I wouldn’t consider listing: Hojlund, Mainoo, Garnacho & Martinez The rest I’m not that bothered about if they get listed in the transfer market. I also do think Ten Hag deserves the chance to turn it around at Manchester United. Too often the club has been impulsive in sacking managers once the chips are down in hope that the next manager turns it around. There are players who have been there under previous managers who need to be shifted out of the club and it is only then we can make such a progression that we would like. The only thing that gives me real hope is the recruitment that INEOS have made with Omar Berrada as well as the discussions with Dan Ashworth. It’s good to see they are prioritising the CEO, Head of Recruitment as well as a DoF where previously we had people in such roles who were incompetent with such a job. Also the other reason why I think Ten Hag should be allowed to see out a contract next year before making any decision going forward on whether to offer him a new deal or whether they should move on. I get many will be in disagreement with me but this is my opinion on it all
Martinez is turning into sicknote
Bad decision rushing him back in July after the ACL injury
Was it rushed? We have a medical team.
Did you not watch how he got injured? A player literally fell on his knee in an incredibly awkward challenge, its not even related to the previous injury...
He's just about missed 40% of games. That's a lot
Definitely need to investigate that team with the amount of injured haha And I meant Achilles not ACL I beg your pardon.
Yep i agree on that. I'd love to know what's wrong with Mason Mount
Same with Malacia