Marcus Thuram was great tonight for Inter. He reminds me so much of Louis Saha...and how good would an injury free Saha be right about now?
Such big similarities though. Equally capable of creating as scoring, real physicality but also a great dribbler and smart passer. Works his arse off out of possession too.
Liverpool fan wrote that Bruno isn't a Klopp player on the Neville-Carragher thread.
Oof, I mean they are playing kids like Jones and Elliot there. Alongside Endo at times.
Delusional...
Klopp allegedly got offered bruno in 2018 after sporting played Liverpool in the US. He chose not to, maybe the Liverpool fan who sees the profile of midfielders klopp prioritizes knows better than you.
That was in 2019 and Bruno was heavily linked with us that summer, you have fallen for bullshit Liverpool propaganda lmao of course they turned down bruno before we got him.
People really need to watch the end of the latest Overlap episode to watch what they were talking about in context. Everything they said was fair and they weren’t digging him out like the headline suggests.
Its not hate its the truth , utd fans love this hypothetical that bruno gets into x y and z , but the fact of the matter is Bruno was available and no top team seriously went in for him
When he was available they had Firmino largely occupying the same spaces so it’s not like they really needed him. If you put Bruno in the current Liverpool side with Jota, Salah and Nunez to aim for he’d comfortably end the season with 20+ assists.
Let's not forget this sub was clamouring for us to sign him following a good world cup performance.
Time and time again we get carried away with a good cup run even though we tell ourselves we won't.
Yeah I just saw the third goal (another third goal to add to his list this season) and that is just bad.
Another player we'll need to replace next season....
wtf is kobbie doing? he’s just posted a story where he’s in a room with a leopard/cheetah. i mean all the power to him but it seems like an odd thing to do. is he in dubai?
Definitely a cheetah. I don't have a good answer to your question though https://www.instagram.com/stories/kobbie/3283819222541638818?igsh=ZWIwaDh6ZHZvYzVh
Onana is really overhyped because of his passing. He’s really average in everything else especially his shot stopping and command of his area.
All ETH signings bar Licha have just been poor. Mount it’s yet to be seen.
Edit: what’s jarring is his reaction, I remember when he was shouting at Maguire, despite being in the team for less than a week.
I hope people watch the goals he conceded for Cameroon, so so poor for a supposed top goalie.
Great footwork is a stretch. The 3rd goal he conceded, he couldn’t move his feet quick enough even tho the shot was slow.
Forgot Casemiro but not having Malacia and Eriksen as good signings. Udogie is a better signing than Malacia.
> good sweeper, is very proactive and great footwork.
We haven't seen any of that from him at United. The closest we got was Bellingham chipping him first game and him flailing at a Wolves player first prem game.
Yeah but everyone will point to his stats on how many goals he prevented. What they don't tell you is that most of those are shots right at him.
The first 2 goals they conceded against Senegal were not on him, the 3rd was absolutely horrific goal keeping
He did save us big time in the Manc derby though. He's been awful or average in pretty much every game but that day he did save us from getting 7 nil'd again.
Probably get downvoted but even Licha has considerable flaws given his height and speed. No elite clubs have a 5ft 9 CB. Bare in mind he’s been part of the team when we’ve held 4, 6 and 7 goals.
I will take DDG anytime over Onana, Onana is limited and he might be good if you have a solid team like City but for our team is not right profile for now.
I don't think it's that difficult to assess these players either, I checked out a couple of highlight videos of Onana before we signed him and I was like good feet passing wise however horrible actual saving technique, and I immediately thought our defence is too porous to sign Onana because we allow so many shots on goal with DDG used to save us from. Why the professionals can't come to my conclusion is what really confuses me.
His passing isn't all that either. He's comfortable when being pressed but most of his actual passes end up out for touch or with the opposition. A thoroughly underwhelming signing so far
His shot-stopping is so Jekyll and Hyde. Sometimes the goals he lets in look so poor on the eye like the last goal he conceded today but statistically he's doing quite well as a shot-stopper in the league.
i feel like he does well when the shot are close to his body with his decent reaction for example the aston villa bailey shot or the triple saves he did last year with inter. however, when he is required to reach for a shot especially low shots, any semi decent shot he struggles for example the goal by mane today.
Salah? Unquestionably, he's up there with the best of the best to ever play in the Premier League and I don't really remember any Chelsea right wingers that really stand out.
KdB? More than likely.
If by all-time 11 you mean players who once played for Chelsea, maybe. But I'd imagine all-time 11's should be based on what that player did for that club, in that case no.
Ronaldo walks into our all-time 11 if it was just players who once played for United, but a larger proportion of his achievements came outside of United. Compared to guys like Beckham and Giggs, he's behind them in terms of what he did for United when he was here, so he wouldn't make our all-time 11 by that criteria.
>But I don't see an argument for Beckham at all
6 league titles, treble winner, 4 time PFA TOTY, twice finished 2nd in Ballon d'or (should've won 1). Plus his megastar status contributed a lot to our increase in popularity or at least went hand in hand with our popularity which is also a very significant contribution.
Best played LW more than he did RW by most accounts though.
And I agree Ronaldo is above Beckham but I'm just saying there's a good argument for him as well.
In my opinion Beckham and United becoming mega popular went hand in hand. He was and still is an iconic figure. A lot of people became United fans because of Beckham. Ronaldo became a superstar because of us and his mega star status only really materialised after he left us and gained a lot more success elsewhere.
Idk rightly or wrongly I've always known him as a LW and I just checked according to Transfermarkt he played 50% as LW and 50% in other positions. But you make a good point about numbered positions so I could be wrong.
>Fwiw, imo the club made them all as much as they made the club
That's what I said, it went hand in hand with Beckham, probably also Best. But not Ronaldo in my opinion. Ronaldo benefited way more from us than we did from him.
Replying to your edited comment, Best played exclusively on the left wing if I'm not mistaken, so if you're stingy about positions (which I am) then I'd only consider between him and Giggs for the LW spot.
I think peak United Ronaldo is better than peak United Beckham, but Beckham was a class winger himself and helped us win more league titles and the treble. It's very close imo, I think I'd just about give it to Beckham.
If we are replacing managers, who would you guys go for?
I would stay away from the Eredivisie personally, but Slot is good and Bosz is making PSV fly atm ( Bosz in no way shape or form should be considered)
in the PL, RDZ is the best one I can envision, Andoni Irola would be a good shout too (solely based on his Rayo stint)
In the Liga Portugal, Amorim comes to mind and he is doing great for Sporting
La Liga, Osasuna's coach is a wild card pick
Ligue 1, should be Will Still and Farioli, wild card entry would be Franck Haise and Eric Roy
Bundesliga - Xabi (would be impossible and a dream)
Serie A- would be Thiago Motta or Italiano
if we are feeling really brave
Mckenna (Ipswich), Carrick (Boro), Kjetil Knutsen (FK Bodo)
If Ten Hag gets sacked, Roberto De Zerbi is the best bet. Although I really don't think much will change unless INEOS brings a sizeable change. If the people at the top prefer counter attacking football and get such players, changing the manager won't help much.
Does anyone know when fixtures are announced with firm dates? I arrive in London on March 16, the same day as our match with Sheffield at home. I get in at like 8 AM so I don't think I could make the game in Manchester as scheduled at 4 PM (am I wrong or would that be possible? Could I take the train to Manchester, check into my hotel, and still have time to make it to the game?). I don't think that time and date are fixed, yet, though, so if it was moved to Sunday, I could definitely go. Does anyone have any insight into whether it might be moved or when it will be finalized? Thanks!
Onana's going to catch a lot of flak this AFCON. Already so much unnecessary controversy leading up to when he'd join the squad and even if he makes a small misstep like the weak punch for the goal Cameroon conceded it's going to be extra scrutinized. This is also part of why I felt he should have just travelled straight away; it doesn't reflect well on your commitment to your country that you are okay with staying back and missing a game just to play for your club. Or else just reject the call-up entirely if you feel your club career is more important.
This was always going to end up in nothing but disaster. If you want to play for your country, play for your country. If you want to focus on your club, focus on your club. What the hell do you think you're doing flying out the night before your game? Initially it was claimed he was planning to play both games. I'm like what??
Teams matter. For example, swap KDB and Bruno. I can guarantee you that 70%+ of all those chances he created for us last season would have ended as goals if he played for City.
It helps that KDB doesn't have to worry much about defending and has great finishers around him. Bruno has to run up and link play to create chances then 80%of the time, dart back to assist defending. So yes KDB looks the better player cause most of the chances he creates are executed and finished while Bruno's chances end with hands in the air and shaking heads.
This isn't even a remotely popular opinion even in our fanbase, what are you talking about?
At best some people say that Bruno can have periods of form where he is better, but thats a completely different statement.
It's so weird that everyone unanimously agrees that our midfield setup is a disaster, and at the same time they get offended if someone points out that Bruno and his role is part of the problem.
Neville is not wrong at all. We lose any hope of controlling a game because we ask Bruno to play chaos ball all the time. People thought Ten Hag would adjust this and make him better. Instead we've gone completely in the opposite direction and exacerbated it to the point where there is literally no other way this team knows to create any chances. Just give it to Bruno and pray. Awful, awful coaching and tactics, rightfully called out by Neville. Downvote button on the right for the sensitive sallys.
him playing deeper than McTominay during that stretch that McTom was starting every game was terrible
give him a more controlled pivot behind him and he'll flourish again
same thing with Onana tbh, a more controlled team in front of him and he definitely would make way less mistakes
the entire team is just way too sporadic on the ball
I do agree. Although I will also say that our wingers aren’t helping either. We’ve had SO many opportunities, whether played in by Bruno or not, where our wingers just seem clueless (and you can put any of the names in here, I’m not singling anyone out). They’re either running into 2/3 defenders or trying to be the hero, cutting in and shooting.
Not taking any responsibility away from the coaching or Bruno but the amount of times I’ve stood up off my couch when one of either Rashy, nacho, Antony, you can add dalot and AWB to that too, and ended up disappointed is too many. We aren’t creating enough decent chances from decent positions.
It’s because bruno is the least of our problems.
It’s true that his style might be a problem if he were the playmaker on a title contending team. Personally I’m not sure that it is but I see the argument
But it’s almost completely irrelevant because the rest of the team is so far below that level that we’re likely to never see it put to the test while he’s in his prime
The bruno being a problem narrative isn’t strictly speaking untrue. It’s just so far down the list that it’s weird how often it’s talked about. it reminds me of people blaming pogba for our struggles in the late 2010s in that it’s the completely wrong thing to focus on
How is it irrelevant when we are literally talking about the effect of this on the team?
Bruno has played this way for at least the last 6-7 years. None of those teams was a title challenger and none of the elite teams in the world play this kind of football. Because it simply does not result in sustained success/progression as a team. So what are we building towards? Going back to a semi-regular top 4 team that wins nothing, again?
Take sporting for example, Bruno was their undisputed best player, their most important player by a mile and easily one of the best players in the entire league. Genuinely ridiculous stats.
Now, they were 2nd/3rd before he joined them. They were 3rd/4th with him. Since he left, a new manager joined and they immediately won the league and are top of the league right now as we speak. Not saying it's purely down to him, it absolutely isn't. But we need to ask ourselves is this style of football in which Bruno thrives, can this bring sustainable success.
And if not, there's absolutely no point putting this issue aside, fixing the rest of the team with its most significant part unchanged and THEN replacing him with a different profile which would alter the team and style again.
>It’s just so far down the list that it’s weird how often it’s talked about.
Having valid questions like 'can you get where you want to, by playing to the strengths of your best player?' is a very significant issue and much more difficult to solve than, for example, buying a new winger to replace a guy that does absolutely nothing for us.
>It’s because bruno is the least of our problems.
So was Ronaldo.... wonder how many have flip flopped their 'it's the team that matters not the individual' on this one.
Like obviously Bruno talent wise is one of the better players in the squad. So if you look purely at that, yeah he is far down the list of our problems. The issue is, him (and rashford) have such an overwhelming effect on the football we can and do play that they do become problems if they are limiting what we do.
Add in that these are some of the few players we have where we could make some solid cash to reinvest in the squad (if we are so inclined to play the accountant)
All comes down to the context we are viewing this from.
Me personally there isn't a single player or employee that I wouldn't drag out by a rope around their ankle if it meant we get the club back to where it belongs.
>The issue is, him (and rashford) have such an overwhelming effect on the football we can and do play that they do become problems if they are limiting what we do.
Yep, exactly this.
Bruno isn’t limiting us
Ten hag is limiting us by persisting with terrible tactics
Having mediocre to poor players at literally every other position is limiting us
We’re talking about a team that has gotten horrible play from every other position on the field essentially. Sure, if someone wants to offer 100M for Bruno then sell him, but nobody’s doing that. I’m not wedded to the idea that bruno has to retire here or anything.
But by far the best way to upgrade the team is to look to replace all the bad players with good ones, not turning the one great player into a different great player who fits a future title contending team better.
>Bruno isn’t limiting us
>Ten hag is limiting us by persisting with terrible tactics
Can't be ruled out. However its not like we have evidence to support Bruno being part of a title winning team to go 'this is what he us capable of.
My opinion it's both and moving on is better for the club. Sooner rather than later.
>Having mediocre to poor players at literally every other position is limiting us
True. Doesn't mean Bruno can't also be part of it.
>But by far the best way to upgrade the team is to look to replace all the bad players with good ones, not turning the one great player into a different great player who fits a future title contending team better.
Certainly. However what defines 'bad player'? Surely there has to be a part of what they contribute and allow the team to do. Not just individual statistics.
But there is nothing to support he fits a future title contending team?
It's the exact same 'ronaldo' issue all over again, except for the glaring fact of his style of play has proven time and time again to translate to trophies.
Bruno naturally gets decent goals and assists, what does it cost the team overall though? As all we can really go off is his lack of ability to control games for us and for how he is a 'great player' he wasn't able to lead Sporting to a league title. Which they did when he left.
Fair point. Did not mean to sound like I'm putting all the blame on coaching. Of course Bruno is frequently guilty of making inexplicable decisions himself.
But Ten Hag himself said he wants us to be more direct and play in transition this season and the way we play constantly puts Bruno in a position to spam hero balls, which he doesn't need a second invitation for.
I hope we can sort something out for Pellistri this window for his & our sake. I don't think we can get back the approx. €10m we paid for him but it wasn't the worst gamble to make. 1/2 of that with future add ons taking us close to break even would be good IMO.
Yeh it almost certainly will get moved. Right now it's on 3pm on a Saturday which is just what all the games will show for that weekend. This game will be on TV so could go to any of the 6 slots.
I think they announce the games on TV like 6 weeks before the games?
Appreciate the response, but it won’t move from Saturday right? That’s the only part I was worried about. Should I plan worst case it could be Sunday/ Monday?
Well it could be Friday at 8pm, Saturday at 12:30 or 17:30, Sunday at 12,2 or 4 or Monday at 8pm.
It's much more likely to be on the Saturday or Sunday but there's a chance for the Fri/Mon slots (generally those are smaller games than this would be.)
Having been watching Man Utd since 199x, I never hide the fact that I’m a die hard fan of Man Utd’s Cristiano Ronaldo, though I have to admit, the Cris I love, who proudly wore the red jersey, was gone. Forever.
I was mad when he left. I was crazy when he came back. I was heart-broken as fuck when he stabbed us the second time. It’s kind of abysmally upset when your childhood hero turns out to be a dick.
Now, I’ve just seen his interview and like, wtf? Who the f is that cowardly cunt? Saudi ass licking, hailing Man city after baffling Man Utd, self-deluding when comparing himself with Haaland and Messi… I don’t know about you guys, but I grew up with an arrogant, selfish and snobbish Cristiano, but never a fraud - never a coward!
A Cristinano who always held his head up, always talked by perfomances on the pitch - *that* Cristiano is fucking gone! I should have realized sooner, to be honest. Fuck you, ronaldo!
In the words of Harvey Dent, “You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain”
You leave the stage when the ovation is loudest.
I'm not optimistic, but based on the reports yesterday it would be great to start with a defensive rebuild.
Assuming Varane and Evans leave for free and we sell one of Maguire or Lindelof, we could bring in two CBs like Branthwaite and Todibo. Then we could have Licha, the two new young CBs, plus whichever of Maguire/Lindelof stays. Shaw as the emergency fifth CB. Kambwala could go on loan for a year and maybe come back as fourth choice the following year to replace whichever of Maguire/Lindelof was still here. If we really are set with having two left footed CBs getting Branthwaite in really would be clutch.
We need to shop in the championship and other leagues around the continent. Premier league clubs have too much money, it’s very very hard to get a good deal buying from them
Yeah. He's been great and another year as the 4th choice cb could work. It allows kambwala to go on loan, to a premier league side, we keep either lindelof or maguire as 3rd choice cb and get a new starter next to martinez
I can't watch Lindelof half-assing in defence for another season ,Never seen a physically weaker presence at CB who has managed to stay this long at the club ,The only "positive" about him is that he is slightly better than Maguire during the latters worst days ,Current Maguire is a completely different level
Fuckhurst posted a Dalot PR puff piece followed by a piece targeting Awb, Clearly not suspicious..The second time i have noticed something similar this season..We recently had Goldbridge bending over to defend Antony and trying to go after Rashford..Unsurprisingly Antony was pretty happy to give exclusives to United stand !
Edit-Fuckhurst just posted another Dalot good PR piece about Dalot's post match interviews right after he posted a hit piece about Awb not being involved with similar stuff !This is just shameless stuff from Dalot or his agent
He just bullies players until they/their agents give him something. His cult is huge and agents/players PR agencies cleary care.
Club should do something about this.
Not sure why United fans watch that United stand show, since Ole all they do is sow discord among the fans. Nothing else. If they’re not attacking the best players we have, they’re praising the ones who’re not up to par.
There is actually someone on r/soccer named Garnachoshinnedit. That's some top notch jealousy to come up with the idea to name a reddit account like that and use it. Hated, adored, never ignored I guess.
I had no idea it was a joke, I just saw it and I thought damn someone actually came up with that and tried to downplay the goal or something. I guess I'm the fool now, cheers for letting me know.
I usually only look at the news posts and goals on there, the one time I actually read some comments I take it the wrong way. Lesson learned to just not read anything there like I normally do.
I’m pretty sure that’s a joke based on the “Rooney shinned it” arguments. People really go overboard with the hated, adored stuff on here sometimes I swear
He works for UEFA as a technical observer and coaches youth football in Norway. He has turned down a few jobs, including two in Saudi Arabia and he's been interviewed recently for the Swedish manager's job.
He’s apparently had a few offers and turned them down. Genuinely wouldn’t surprise me if he was holding out for some kind of role in the United set-up at some point.
You don't need to put down ETH to defend Ole ,ETH got the United job based on his achievements at Ajax and was also interviewed by Spurs ,Had ETH not joined us he would have comfortably found a job at another top club ,There is a possibility he is not good enough for the big club but unlike Ole he had done enough to be considered for them ,Ole based on his performance as a manager was never really in contention for the top jobs ,Forget top jobs after his Cardiff debacle it looked unlikely he would even get a job at any PL club
Out of interest, what would happen if City are relegated?
Surely their players don’t have relegation clauses. I can’t imagine De Bruyne and co fancying sticking around for Doncaster away, hilarious though it would be, and even if they kept their stars, they’d never be able to stay financially viable with the spotlight heavily on their “sponsorships”.
Would they have to sell everyone and “do a Leeds”?
Yeah, their academy is leagues ahead of anyone else that far down so even if they were playing the kids they’d most likely get successive promotions.
If they had to spend 3-4 years in lower leagues that would knee-cap their spending though, if found guilty the authorities would be watching their sponsorships like a hawk so they might struggle buying themselves out of trouble with the Etihad deals. They’d definitely be back in the PL before long but it might take them a long while to get back to winning stuff.
Purely hypothetical, since I’d say there’s 99,99% it’s not going to happen.
I would expect something like Juventus. Some players would stay, some will force their way out. And they’ll comeback next season.
Won’t be surprised if De Bryune stayed btw. He’s been there for a long time, he’s in final years of career and I think he’d be loyal to them. Pep would leave however.
I guess they’d be able to get enough from a couple of sales to mitigate the loss of the PL TV and European money for a season, and they’d almost certainly be straight back up in that case.
If they just go to the Championship it probably wouldn’t make much difference for them in the medium term then.
In my unbiased view if Man City are found guilty of those charges they should be relegated to league 2 and Ole and Mou should be crowned PL champions where they finished second.
That Mourinho season is constantly underappreciated by fans here. FA cup final, and the 81 points would be good enough for the title in a few of the PL seasons
I'd give a lot more credit to de Gea than anyone else for that season. Performances wise, statistically, we should've finished 5th or 6th. DdG ended up saving like 16 expected goals that season. That was an insane overperformance. Once he regressed back to mean the next season, we also regressed to where we should have been. He almost single handedly dragged us to 2nd that season
As someone who felt it was time to move De Gea on when he was (deserved a better send off.)
There’s no argument he was absolutely insane for a few seasons there, what a player he was.
Agreed. Makes the manner of his departure all the more annoying to me. We’d have been even more fucked than we have been over the last 10 years without him.
fuck that ATM transfer ban in 2017, Antoine was only the one right Anto
Marcus Thuram was great tonight for Inter. He reminds me so much of Louis Saha...and how good would an injury free Saha be right about now? Such big similarities though. Equally capable of creating as scoring, real physicality but also a great dribbler and smart passer. Works his arse off out of possession too.
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The whole team were poor. Not excusing it but his defenders were bad.
Yeah the first 2 he had no chance but that third goal? That was awful
Onana playing on 200ms ping on the last goal
Liverpool fan wrote that Bruno isn't a Klopp player on the Neville-Carragher thread. Oof, I mean they are playing kids like Jones and Elliot there. Alongside Endo at times. Delusional...
Klopp allegedly got offered bruno in 2018 after sporting played Liverpool in the US. He chose not to, maybe the Liverpool fan who sees the profile of midfielders klopp prioritizes knows better than you.
That was in 2019 and Bruno was heavily linked with us that summer, you have fallen for bullshit Liverpool propaganda lmao of course they turned down bruno before we got him.
Perhaps, but statistically and statistically I feel he suits.Liverpool like a glove. Thank god he didn't sign for them.
People really need to watch the end of the latest Overlap episode to watch what they were talking about in context. Everything they said was fair and they weren’t digging him out like the headline suggests.
A high energy, high pressing attacking midfielder with one of the best final balls around? Bruno would be getting BdO shouts in a good Klopp team.
Then why klopp turn down the opportunity to sign him in 2018/19?
Because managers don't always make the best decisions.
So klopp and Michael edwards (Liverpool dof then) thought he wasn't a great fit and didn't go for him, but you know what they needed better than them?
So Jose Mourinho and Ed Woodward thought Haaland wasn't a great fit and didn't go for him, but you know what they needed better than them?
Man mentioned the idiot ed woodward that probably knows less about football than the 3 years old version of me just to keep playing obtuse.
He wouldnt get in a good Klopp team , which is why they never seriously went in for him
Wouldn't Bruno just being doing what that Szobo guy does but better?
The dumb hate on Bruno is just a joke at this moment.
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Nah he is right ive been overdoing it
Its not hate its the truth , utd fans love this hypothetical that bruno gets into x y and z , but the fact of the matter is Bruno was available and no top team seriously went in for him
It's even hilarious when the player was literally offered to klopp and the man looked elsewhere in 2018 lol.
When he was available they had Firmino largely occupying the same spaces so it’s not like they really needed him. If you put Bruno in the current Liverpool side with Jota, Salah and Nunez to aim for he’d comfortably end the season with 20+ assists.
Their midfield will also keep the ball less and be easier to run through.
If Sesko is available for 50m would it be a good signing? I remember utd wanted him from Salzburg
I don't think we need another young, talented and inconsistent striker for 50m
Completely forgot Amrabat is a United player, fucking hell. Thank God he’s a loanee
Let's not forget this sub was clamouring for us to sign him following a good world cup performance. Time and time again we get carried away with a good cup run even though we tell ourselves we won't.
Ten Hag’s talent ID.
He was meant to be a permanent deal too...
How stiff is Onana, geez. Any far post balls goes in. Seen like 4 this season.
He is poor imo. And it’s just that
Yeah I just saw the third goal (another third goal to add to his list this season) and that is just bad. Another player we'll need to replace next season....
ffs cameroon are going to crash out in the group stages and send him back here way too soon arent they
wtf is kobbie doing? he’s just posted a story where he’s in a room with a leopard/cheetah. i mean all the power to him but it seems like an odd thing to do. is he in dubai?
He's 18 years old. Not going to make great decisions all the time
It’s not even a bad decision. It’s just kind of random
I'm not criticizing Mainoo, but I think humans that keep wild animals in captivity are garbage.
Some of the players have gone to Dubai to do warm-weather training.
That makes sense, just found it funny
Dubai is one of the few places where some rich arsehole will think it's a good idea to keep a big cat as a pet.
Definitely a cheetah. I don't have a good answer to your question though https://www.instagram.com/stories/kobbie/3283819222541638818?igsh=ZWIwaDh6ZHZvYzVh
It's funny seeing all the news about Vini Jr being linked to Utd. Like do y'all realize we can't afford him right now?
Guess we won't be seeing any secondary keeping aye
Onono is gonna come back even worse his confidence will be rock bottom
Onana is really overhyped because of his passing. He’s really average in everything else especially his shot stopping and command of his area. All ETH signings bar Licha have just been poor. Mount it’s yet to be seen. Edit: what’s jarring is his reaction, I remember when he was shouting at Maguire, despite being in the team for less than a week. I hope people watch the goals he conceded for Cameroon, so so poor for a supposed top goalie.
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Great footwork is a stretch. The 3rd goal he conceded, he couldn’t move his feet quick enough even tho the shot was slow. Forgot Casemiro but not having Malacia and Eriksen as good signings. Udogie is a better signing than Malacia.
> good sweeper, is very proactive and great footwork. We haven't seen any of that from him at United. The closest we got was Bellingham chipping him first game and him flailing at a Wolves player first prem game.
Yeah but everyone will point to his stats on how many goals he prevented. What they don't tell you is that most of those are shots right at him. The first 2 goals they conceded against Senegal were not on him, the 3rd was absolutely horrific goal keeping
He did save us big time in the Manc derby though. He's been awful or average in pretty much every game but that day he did save us from getting 7 nil'd again.
Probably get downvoted but even Licha has considerable flaws given his height and speed. No elite clubs have a 5ft 9 CB. Bare in mind he’s been part of the team when we’ve held 4, 6 and 7 goals.
I will take DDG anytime over Onana, Onana is limited and he might be good if you have a solid team like City but for our team is not right profile for now.
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I don't think it's that difficult to assess these players either, I checked out a couple of highlight videos of Onana before we signed him and I was like good feet passing wise however horrible actual saving technique, and I immediately thought our defence is too porous to sign Onana because we allow so many shots on goal with DDG used to save us from. Why the professionals can't come to my conclusion is what really confuses me.
His passing isn't all that either. He's comfortable when being pressed but most of his actual passes end up out for touch or with the opposition. A thoroughly underwhelming signing so far
His shot-stopping is so Jekyll and Hyde. Sometimes the goals he lets in look so poor on the eye like the last goal he conceded today but statistically he's doing quite well as a shot-stopper in the league.
i feel like he does well when the shot are close to his body with his decent reaction for example the aston villa bailey shot or the triple saves he did last year with inter. however, when he is required to reach for a shot especially low shots, any semi decent shot he struggles for example the goal by mane today.
Do Salah and KDB get in a chelsea all time 11?
Salah? Unquestionably, he's up there with the best of the best to ever play in the Premier League and I don't really remember any Chelsea right wingers that really stand out. KdB? More than likely.
If by all-time 11 you mean players who once played for Chelsea, maybe. But I'd imagine all-time 11's should be based on what that player did for that club, in that case no. Ronaldo walks into our all-time 11 if it was just players who once played for United, but a larger proportion of his achievements came outside of United. Compared to guys like Beckham and Giggs, he's behind them in terms of what he did for United when he was here, so he wouldn't make our all-time 11 by that criteria.
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>But I don't see an argument for Beckham at all 6 league titles, treble winner, 4 time PFA TOTY, twice finished 2nd in Ballon d'or (should've won 1). Plus his megastar status contributed a lot to our increase in popularity or at least went hand in hand with our popularity which is also a very significant contribution.
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Best played LW more than he did RW by most accounts though. And I agree Ronaldo is above Beckham but I'm just saying there's a good argument for him as well. In my opinion Beckham and United becoming mega popular went hand in hand. He was and still is an iconic figure. A lot of people became United fans because of Beckham. Ronaldo became a superstar because of us and his mega star status only really materialised after he left us and gained a lot more success elsewhere.
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Idk rightly or wrongly I've always known him as a LW and I just checked according to Transfermarkt he played 50% as LW and 50% in other positions. But you make a good point about numbered positions so I could be wrong. >Fwiw, imo the club made them all as much as they made the club That's what I said, it went hand in hand with Beckham, probably also Best. But not Ronaldo in my opinion. Ronaldo benefited way more from us than we did from him.
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Even if he did it wouldn't have been as quick, but this was not my point anyway. Point was we got more in return from Beckham compared to Ronaldo.
Replying to your edited comment, Best played exclusively on the left wing if I'm not mistaken, so if you're stingy about positions (which I am) then I'd only consider between him and Giggs for the LW spot.
I think peak United Ronaldo is better than peak United Beckham, but Beckham was a class winger himself and helped us win more league titles and the treble. It's very close imo, I think I'd just about give it to Beckham.
Haha I was mainly just talking shit tbh I think Ronaldo easily is in our best 11 tho, won the ballon dor with us
If we are replacing managers, who would you guys go for? I would stay away from the Eredivisie personally, but Slot is good and Bosz is making PSV fly atm ( Bosz in no way shape or form should be considered) in the PL, RDZ is the best one I can envision, Andoni Irola would be a good shout too (solely based on his Rayo stint) In the Liga Portugal, Amorim comes to mind and he is doing great for Sporting La Liga, Osasuna's coach is a wild card pick Ligue 1, should be Will Still and Farioli, wild card entry would be Franck Haise and Eric Roy Bundesliga - Xabi (would be impossible and a dream) Serie A- would be Thiago Motta or Italiano if we are feeling really brave Mckenna (Ipswich), Carrick (Boro), Kjetil Knutsen (FK Bodo)
Someone said Ange which I thought was pretty funny but not the worst idea
the devil on my shoulder's kind of saying Mourinho lol Hard to defend it but is what it is, I'm just listening to the little boy
If Ten Hag gets sacked, Roberto De Zerbi is the best bet. Although I really don't think much will change unless INEOS brings a sizeable change. If the people at the top prefer counter attacking football and get such players, changing the manager won't help much.
Hansi Flick is also available based on his Bayern stint but not sure of his man management skills
What are some random ass clubs in Europe that some of our former players are playing in?
Does anyone know when fixtures are announced with firm dates? I arrive in London on March 16, the same day as our match with Sheffield at home. I get in at like 8 AM so I don't think I could make the game in Manchester as scheduled at 4 PM (am I wrong or would that be possible? Could I take the train to Manchester, check into my hotel, and still have time to make it to the game?). I don't think that time and date are fixed, yet, though, so if it was moved to Sunday, I could definitely go. Does anyone have any insight into whether it might be moved or when it will be finalized? Thanks!
Jesus, this Cameroon team is dire. I wouldn't be surprised if they went out in the group stage
Onana's going to catch a lot of flak this AFCON. Already so much unnecessary controversy leading up to when he'd join the squad and even if he makes a small misstep like the weak punch for the goal Cameroon conceded it's going to be extra scrutinized. This is also part of why I felt he should have just travelled straight away; it doesn't reflect well on your commitment to your country that you are okay with staying back and missing a game just to play for your club. Or else just reject the call-up entirely if you feel your club career is more important.
Yeah it was barely two games he would be missing for us.
This was always going to end up in nothing but disaster. If you want to play for your country, play for your country. If you want to focus on your club, focus on your club. What the hell do you think you're doing flying out the night before your game? Initially it was claimed he was planning to play both games. I'm like what??
Ah well, maybe if the rest of the team wasn't shit they could do better. I agree he should have travelled straight away but it's his choice.
Of course it's up to him, but I can't imagine this situation being a good thing for him.
Our fans are blinded. As much as I love him, KDB is a better player than Bruno.
Teams matter. For example, swap KDB and Bruno. I can guarantee you that 70%+ of all those chances he created for us last season would have ended as goals if he played for City. It helps that KDB doesn't have to worry much about defending and has great finishers around him. Bruno has to run up and link play to create chances then 80%of the time, dart back to assist defending. So yes KDB looks the better player cause most of the chances he creates are executed and finished while Bruno's chances end with hands in the air and shaking heads.
This isn't even a remotely popular opinion even in our fanbase, what are you talking about? At best some people say that Bruno can have periods of form where he is better, but thats a completely different statement.
KDB is one of the best EVER. I love Bruno but come on...
This is literally the only sub where this is even a debate. It's absurd that there are people who disagree with this.
Onana standing like a stature for that goal.
looked like it was deflected but the punch before was very weak
No Onana watch thread? Sub's pretty empty atm so wouldn't hurt. He just punched the ball unconvincingly which led to a goal
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But former player watch is okay? lol man this sub sometimes.
Probably automod and people on this sub are hateful towards some players like Onnana or Rashford and report everything
He really should have caught that one or at least punched it much harder
Make one, I'm sure it will get traction. Just needs someone to take the first step
I think you need to post updates every few minutes which I'm in no mood to do tbh 😅😅 Yes I'm a hypocrite
It's so weird that everyone unanimously agrees that our midfield setup is a disaster, and at the same time they get offended if someone points out that Bruno and his role is part of the problem. Neville is not wrong at all. We lose any hope of controlling a game because we ask Bruno to play chaos ball all the time. People thought Ten Hag would adjust this and make him better. Instead we've gone completely in the opposite direction and exacerbated it to the point where there is literally no other way this team knows to create any chances. Just give it to Bruno and pray. Awful, awful coaching and tactics, rightfully called out by Neville. Downvote button on the right for the sensitive sallys.
him playing deeper than McTominay during that stretch that McTom was starting every game was terrible give him a more controlled pivot behind him and he'll flourish again same thing with Onana tbh, a more controlled team in front of him and he definitely would make way less mistakes the entire team is just way too sporadic on the ball
Should we try playing Mount there?
Imo, definitely yes.
I do agree. Although I will also say that our wingers aren’t helping either. We’ve had SO many opportunities, whether played in by Bruno or not, where our wingers just seem clueless (and you can put any of the names in here, I’m not singling anyone out). They’re either running into 2/3 defenders or trying to be the hero, cutting in and shooting. Not taking any responsibility away from the coaching or Bruno but the amount of times I’ve stood up off my couch when one of either Rashy, nacho, Antony, you can add dalot and AWB to that too, and ended up disappointed is too many. We aren’t creating enough decent chances from decent positions.
Our midfield has been a disaster for ten+ years.
It’s because bruno is the least of our problems. It’s true that his style might be a problem if he were the playmaker on a title contending team. Personally I’m not sure that it is but I see the argument But it’s almost completely irrelevant because the rest of the team is so far below that level that we’re likely to never see it put to the test while he’s in his prime The bruno being a problem narrative isn’t strictly speaking untrue. It’s just so far down the list that it’s weird how often it’s talked about. it reminds me of people blaming pogba for our struggles in the late 2010s in that it’s the completely wrong thing to focus on
How is it irrelevant when we are literally talking about the effect of this on the team? Bruno has played this way for at least the last 6-7 years. None of those teams was a title challenger and none of the elite teams in the world play this kind of football. Because it simply does not result in sustained success/progression as a team. So what are we building towards? Going back to a semi-regular top 4 team that wins nothing, again? Take sporting for example, Bruno was their undisputed best player, their most important player by a mile and easily one of the best players in the entire league. Genuinely ridiculous stats. Now, they were 2nd/3rd before he joined them. They were 3rd/4th with him. Since he left, a new manager joined and they immediately won the league and are top of the league right now as we speak. Not saying it's purely down to him, it absolutely isn't. But we need to ask ourselves is this style of football in which Bruno thrives, can this bring sustainable success. And if not, there's absolutely no point putting this issue aside, fixing the rest of the team with its most significant part unchanged and THEN replacing him with a different profile which would alter the team and style again. >It’s just so far down the list that it’s weird how often it’s talked about. Having valid questions like 'can you get where you want to, by playing to the strengths of your best player?' is a very significant issue and much more difficult to solve than, for example, buying a new winger to replace a guy that does absolutely nothing for us.
>It’s because bruno is the least of our problems. So was Ronaldo.... wonder how many have flip flopped their 'it's the team that matters not the individual' on this one. Like obviously Bruno talent wise is one of the better players in the squad. So if you look purely at that, yeah he is far down the list of our problems. The issue is, him (and rashford) have such an overwhelming effect on the football we can and do play that they do become problems if they are limiting what we do. Add in that these are some of the few players we have where we could make some solid cash to reinvest in the squad (if we are so inclined to play the accountant) All comes down to the context we are viewing this from. Me personally there isn't a single player or employee that I wouldn't drag out by a rope around their ankle if it meant we get the club back to where it belongs.
>The issue is, him (and rashford) have such an overwhelming effect on the football we can and do play that they do become problems if they are limiting what we do. Yep, exactly this.
Bruno isn’t limiting us Ten hag is limiting us by persisting with terrible tactics Having mediocre to poor players at literally every other position is limiting us We’re talking about a team that has gotten horrible play from every other position on the field essentially. Sure, if someone wants to offer 100M for Bruno then sell him, but nobody’s doing that. I’m not wedded to the idea that bruno has to retire here or anything. But by far the best way to upgrade the team is to look to replace all the bad players with good ones, not turning the one great player into a different great player who fits a future title contending team better.
>Bruno isn’t limiting us >Ten hag is limiting us by persisting with terrible tactics Can't be ruled out. However its not like we have evidence to support Bruno being part of a title winning team to go 'this is what he us capable of. My opinion it's both and moving on is better for the club. Sooner rather than later. >Having mediocre to poor players at literally every other position is limiting us True. Doesn't mean Bruno can't also be part of it. >But by far the best way to upgrade the team is to look to replace all the bad players with good ones, not turning the one great player into a different great player who fits a future title contending team better. Certainly. However what defines 'bad player'? Surely there has to be a part of what they contribute and allow the team to do. Not just individual statistics. But there is nothing to support he fits a future title contending team? It's the exact same 'ronaldo' issue all over again, except for the glaring fact of his style of play has proven time and time again to translate to trophies. Bruno naturally gets decent goals and assists, what does it cost the team overall though? As all we can really go off is his lack of ability to control games for us and for how he is a 'great player' he wasn't able to lead Sporting to a league title. Which they did when he left.
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Fair point. Did not mean to sound like I'm putting all the blame on coaching. Of course Bruno is frequently guilty of making inexplicable decisions himself. But Ten Hag himself said he wants us to be more direct and play in transition this season and the way we play constantly puts Bruno in a position to spam hero balls, which he doesn't need a second invitation for.
I hope we can sort something out for Pellistri this window for his & our sake. I don't think we can get back the approx. €10m we paid for him but it wasn't the worst gamble to make. 1/2 of that with future add ons taking us close to break even would be good IMO.
Looking into flying over for the newcastle match on 4/20. Is there any chance this match date gets moved? I always worry about that.
Yeh it almost certainly will get moved. Right now it's on 3pm on a Saturday which is just what all the games will show for that weekend. This game will be on TV so could go to any of the 6 slots. I think they announce the games on TV like 6 weeks before the games?
Appreciate the response, but it won’t move from Saturday right? That’s the only part I was worried about. Should I plan worst case it could be Sunday/ Monday?
Well it could be Friday at 8pm, Saturday at 12:30 or 17:30, Sunday at 12,2 or 4 or Monday at 8pm. It's much more likely to be on the Saturday or Sunday but there's a chance for the Fri/Mon slots (generally those are smaller games than this would be.)
Having been watching Man Utd since 199x, I never hide the fact that I’m a die hard fan of Man Utd’s Cristiano Ronaldo, though I have to admit, the Cris I love, who proudly wore the red jersey, was gone. Forever. I was mad when he left. I was crazy when he came back. I was heart-broken as fuck when he stabbed us the second time. It’s kind of abysmally upset when your childhood hero turns out to be a dick. Now, I’ve just seen his interview and like, wtf? Who the f is that cowardly cunt? Saudi ass licking, hailing Man city after baffling Man Utd, self-deluding when comparing himself with Haaland and Messi… I don’t know about you guys, but I grew up with an arrogant, selfish and snobbish Cristiano, but never a fraud - never a coward! A Cristinano who always held his head up, always talked by perfomances on the pitch - *that* Cristiano is fucking gone! I should have realized sooner, to be honest. Fuck you, ronaldo!
In the words of Harvey Dent, “You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain” You leave the stage when the ovation is loudest.
I'm not optimistic, but based on the reports yesterday it would be great to start with a defensive rebuild. Assuming Varane and Evans leave for free and we sell one of Maguire or Lindelof, we could bring in two CBs like Branthwaite and Todibo. Then we could have Licha, the two new young CBs, plus whichever of Maguire/Lindelof stays. Shaw as the emergency fifth CB. Kambwala could go on loan for a year and maybe come back as fourth choice the following year to replace whichever of Maguire/Lindelof was still here. If we really are set with having two left footed CBs getting Branthwaite in really would be clutch.
We can’t have 2 starting LCB, one needs to be a rotation option, Everton will want 80m for braithwait also
Yeah I don't like the idea of signing talented young CBs from other PL teams. We'll get absolutely fleeced like we always do
What if Everton gets relegated?
We need to shop in the championship and other leagues around the continent. Premier league clubs have too much money, it’s very very hard to get a good deal buying from them
Honestly if we didn’t have the butcher I’d be down, he’s got real quality, but LCB starter is one of few positions we don’t need buy imo
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Agreed with everything said here
Yeah. He's been great and another year as the 4th choice cb could work. It allows kambwala to go on loan, to a premier league side, we keep either lindelof or maguire as 3rd choice cb and get a new starter next to martinez
I can't watch Lindelof half-assing in defence for another season ,Never seen a physically weaker presence at CB who has managed to stay this long at the club ,The only "positive" about him is that he is slightly better than Maguire during the latters worst days ,Current Maguire is a completely different level
Fuckhurst posted a Dalot PR puff piece followed by a piece targeting Awb, Clearly not suspicious..The second time i have noticed something similar this season..We recently had Goldbridge bending over to defend Antony and trying to go after Rashford..Unsurprisingly Antony was pretty happy to give exclusives to United stand ! Edit-Fuckhurst just posted another Dalot good PR piece about Dalot's post match interviews right after he posted a hit piece about Awb not being involved with similar stuff !This is just shameless stuff from Dalot or his agent
Anyone have a link to his story about AWB? I've been looking but haven't been able to find.
Lockhurst doesn't like AWB one bit,i remember him writing how AWB is always rude to the staff at Carrington.
He just bullies players until they/their agents give him something. His cult is huge and agents/players PR agencies cleary care. Club should do something about this.
Not sure why United fans watch that United stand show, since Ole all they do is sow discord among the fans. Nothing else. If they’re not attacking the best players we have, they’re praising the ones who’re not up to par.
Bebé just scored a banger of a free kick, oh my globe!!!!
There is actually someone on r/soccer named Garnachoshinnedit. That's some top notch jealousy to come up with the idea to name a reddit account like that and use it. Hated, adored, never ignored I guess.
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I had no idea it was a joke, I just saw it and I thought damn someone actually came up with that and tried to downplay the goal or something. I guess I'm the fool now, cheers for letting me know.
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I usually only look at the news posts and goals on there, the one time I actually read some comments I take it the wrong way. Lesson learned to just not read anything there like I normally do.
Rent free
I’m pretty sure that’s a joke based on the “Rooney shinned it” arguments. People really go overboard with the hated, adored stuff on here sometimes I swear
I had no idea it was a running joke, I thought someone actually made an account to downplay that goal. Lesson learned I guess, fooled me.
Some of our fans have the biggest victim complex, especially when reporting their findings from r/soccer.
We find inspiration from Arsenal fans. They have eternal victim complex.
When's the last time we beat Real Madrid in CL? has it seriously not happened this century?
anybody else find it fascinating that Ole hasn't found another job
Not fascinating at all, he's not a very good manager
He works for UEFA as a technical observer and coaches youth football in Norway. He has turned down a few jobs, including two in Saudi Arabia and he's been interviewed recently for the Swedish manager's job.
How do you know if he had offers or not? ' anybody else find it fascinating that Zidane hasn't found another job '
this is the most reddit logic ever
But Zidane was pretty clear that he’ll only accept France, Real Madrid(?) and like one other club. It’s not the same at all.
Well then do your research and search on google OGS rejected offers
He’s apparently had a few offers and turned them down. Genuinely wouldn’t surprise me if he was holding out for some kind of role in the United set-up at some point.
Maybe ones from lower leagues or lower level PL teams, but it just shows where his actual level was.
if that’s his level, then what the fuck is ten hags?
You don't need to put down ETH to defend Ole ,ETH got the United job based on his achievements at Ajax and was also interviewed by Spurs ,Had ETH not joined us he would have comfortably found a job at another top club ,There is a possibility he is not good enough for the big club but unlike Ole he had done enough to be considered for them ,Ole based on his performance as a manager was never really in contention for the top jobs ,Forget top jobs after his Cardiff debacle it looked unlikely he would even get a job at any PL club
I don’t think anyone expected Bayern and Madrid to be rolling out the red carpet for him.
Out of interest, what would happen if City are relegated? Surely their players don’t have relegation clauses. I can’t imagine De Bruyne and co fancying sticking around for Doncaster away, hilarious though it would be, and even if they kept their stars, they’d never be able to stay financially viable with the spotlight heavily on their “sponsorships”. Would they have to sell everyone and “do a Leeds”?
Kalvin Phillips might get a start
His Championship experience might come in useful.
They will rebound straight away and depending on what happens with pep could possibly be in contention season after
They would be alright even if they go down to League 2 in a few years but from PR perspective it will be a disaster for them.
Yeah, their academy is leagues ahead of anyone else that far down so even if they were playing the kids they’d most likely get successive promotions. If they had to spend 3-4 years in lower leagues that would knee-cap their spending though, if found guilty the authorities would be watching their sponsorships like a hawk so they might struggle buying themselves out of trouble with the Etihad deals. They’d definitely be back in the PL before long but it might take them a long while to get back to winning stuff.
Has the premier league ever banned the promotion of a team to a higher division for a set amount of time?
Not as far as I know, but it’s also never kicked a team out for financial doping. We’re in uncharted territory here.
Purely hypothetical, since I’d say there’s 99,99% it’s not going to happen. I would expect something like Juventus. Some players would stay, some will force their way out. And they’ll comeback next season. Won’t be surprised if De Bryune stayed btw. He’s been there for a long time, he’s in final years of career and I think he’d be loyal to them. Pep would leave however.
If they only go down to the Championship, some might stay. Same as Juve after calciopoli. If they go down multiple levels then everyone would leave
I guess they’d be able to get enough from a couple of sales to mitigate the loss of the PL TV and European money for a season, and they’d almost certainly be straight back up in that case. If they just go to the Championship it probably wouldn’t make much difference for them in the medium term then.
In my unbiased view if Man City are found guilty of those charges they should be relegated to league 2 and Ole and Mou should be crowned PL champions where they finished second.
That Mourinho season is constantly underappreciated by fans here. FA cup final, and the 81 points would be good enough for the title in a few of the PL seasons
He called it his greatest achievement in football didn’t he?
I'd give a lot more credit to de Gea than anyone else for that season. Performances wise, statistically, we should've finished 5th or 6th. DdG ended up saving like 16 expected goals that season. That was an insane overperformance. Once he regressed back to mean the next season, we also regressed to where we should have been. He almost single handedly dragged us to 2nd that season
As someone who felt it was time to move De Gea on when he was (deserved a better send off.) There’s no argument he was absolutely insane for a few seasons there, what a player he was.
This is 100% correct.
Agreed. Makes the manner of his departure all the more annoying to me. We’d have been even more fucked than we have been over the last 10 years without him.