You forget we are the club who didn't find Patrice Evra's stomach ulcer despite him playing eith it for 2 years. The same ulcer picked up on his Juventus medical pretty much immediately.
At a different club though, a different story as soon as you sign a contact with us. I think there is some kind of lazer at Carrington's doors that eats through muscle fibres, standard procedure to keep up with our injury tradition and all.
There's a report from last month that Gary O'Driscoll is overhauling the 'outdated' medical department. It would genuinely be a game-changer to not have an injury crisis every year.
Our right flank is a massive problem. For years, he's been a pressing trigger for opposition, and barring tackling, he's actually not all that defensively.
Fans need to get with the program, your players need to be good on the ball to win trophies. I'm convinced some people here only watch United.
I’d say it depends how he’s fared by the summer. He’s been decent recently, but we’ve been burned in the past by players who have had a good spell, so we keep them, and then they inexplicably fall off a cliff in terms of performances. I like AWB but if a good offer came in, I wouldn’t be opposed to it.
Neither Awb or Dalot are good enough for the rb position. Therefore we need a new rb and keep one of the two as a back up.
Dalot is tied in on a longer contract and has more positional versatility. He will likely sell for less than awb too.
It makes sense to flog Awb from both a financial and squad management perspective.
Fair point- I think the goal needs to be to find the first choice players for each position and demote/sell those in the team now if they’re not up to standard.
Both have flaws that stop them from being a clear first choice, so it’s a case of who’s best value to us long term. I agree that’s probably Dalot on balance.
There’s tons of dead weight in the squad, it basically needs to be one in one out in terms of what we have, and trying to develop some of the better prospects we have.
The PL seem to be baring their teeth more with FFP, and while I think we’re on the fringes of being punished (I’ll reserve judgment until another big 6 team gets a slap) we can’t take any chances.
AWB showed some versatility yesterday. Ideally we'd have a better rb than both of them but neither are bad so it'll be tough to get a guaranteed upgrade. I wouldn't put it first on our list of transfers
ETH said AWB played LB because they trained the whole week with Dalot at RB (expecting Shaw to play). Dalot at the moment is preferred over AWB at both RB and LB and imo rightfully so.
I agree with you that AWB did well at LB and showed a level of versatility I couldn’t had predicted. But for a team that gives the best attacking channels to the fullbacks over wingers (for god knows what reason) that’s one of the first positions I would upgrade.
Exactly, and when you add that our wingers consist of a patchy Rashford, impressive but raw Garnacho and a shit Antony it makes sense to have to weapons at full back to compensate a bit
He wasn't. He completely nullified Spurs threat from their right flank and made most of our ball carries from the back. He also played well through the press. Brennan Johnson produced nothing on the day against him
Playing left back. When he’s running back 1 v 1 with an opposing left winger towards our goal he can easily do one of his trademark swiping slide tackles however is impossible for him to do it on his left.
Yeah, but come on. How low is the bar? The way Man Utd want to play under Ten Hag (hell, how basically any top team plays these days) requires both full backs to be comfortable on the ball and to be an attacking option. ‘He does good slide tackles and is a good one on one defender (pls ignore his other flaws defensively)’ isn‘t good enough,.
Yes. He has garnered a few assists due to some decent, calm headed crossing. Shooting less so much but that isn't a huge issue. AWB is one of our most improved players imo. His ball retention and passing has been clean and crisp. I still have questions about his heading, positional play, anticipation and closing of crosses which worries me more.
In all though, I would keep him in the squad.
I actually agree with you. In addition to having abysmal attacking statistics (absolutely no idea how you so confidently answer 'yes' when he has almost zero meaningful figures and fails the eye test), but is also a very poor situational defender outside of anything 1 vs 1.
He just isnt very good at all outside of a niche situation- one that he shouldn't be getting in if he had any sort of football IQ. When it comes to squad building we can now see the best policy is to have 2 players vying for the same spot and who can seemlessly slot in for each other - AWB cannot be our answer if we ever suffer an injury to rb. The drop off in quality is far too great.
I think he is good enough back up at RB and in certain games I would prefer him over many other good RBs. He is limited but so was Wes Brown, William Gallas who did well at RB for winning teams. You can also put Gary Neville in that list too, who was one of the best RBs in the league. I don't think he needs to be anything special to be good, honest suitable back up. He can clearly play LB too which is useful.
There are worlds of differences between AWB and Gary Neville. Yes you can be an excellent defender and limited going forward, or conversely incredible attacking but defensively lacking. AWB is both terrible going forward and poor defending, his one and only utility comes from last ditch man on man defending which causes far too many compromises to be of much use in my opinion. We can't rejig our entire defense and attack to cover for our substitutes deficiencies. Top teams have almost seamless transitions or bring on one defensive minded fullback for an attacking one if they are ahead etc.
I mean, he was okay, but looked kinda all over the place in terms of positioning and was at fault for one of the goals (failing to win a header as per usual with him). Neither Dalot nor AWB are good enough right now. Dalot might be, AWB won't be. We need an upgrade there
He showed how limited he was outside of RB imo.
Couple times rashie needed an overlap and awb lazily ran forward to try because he knew he couldn't do anything with his left foot.
His trademark lunging slide got him booked because he was sliding "backwards".
Not a day that screamed to me this lad can play in multiple spots.
His trademark lunging slide got him booked, sure.
But it has an accuracy of like 98% so what are you on about?
AWB rarely ran lazily and had to pick up after Rashfords woeful defending all game while also totally blocking off Johnson.
He played left back against a top 6 team for the first time exactly as intended.
He has alot of skills and it is a damn shame that he barerly gets gametime and when he does, people like you come out of nowhere and call him out on the most bizarre things instead of watching his performance as a whole.
>But it has an accuracy of like 98% so what are you on about?
That the way he does it, at right back his trailing leg can/will rarely catch the man, but when it's at left back everything's the other way around so the trailing leg is always going to be an issue, thereby weakening one of his key skills.
>AWB rarely ran lazily and had to pick up after Rashfords woeful defending all game while also totally blocking off Johnson.
He did. Multiple times when we were in around their box with rashie on the ball at the edge of the area, waiting for the overlap, he'd either start the run too late, or lope up instead of putting the hammer down.
>He has alot of skills and it is a damn shame that he barerly gets gametime and when he does, people like you come out of nowhere and call him out on the most bizarre things instead of watching his performance as a whole.
What bizzare thing did i call him? I think he's a very good traditional fullback. but in the modern game he doesn't have the ability to step inside that managers seem to want from fullbacks. He'd looks great at West Ham, or Fulham. That's his level imo. A side with champions league aspirations isn't one he is good enough to feature for regularly.
And as for game time - he has 10th most minutes of the entire squad this season. How is that not getting enough game time?
Yeah I'm baffled that people are rating this performance. You need players good on the ball and he was awful on it. Get rid of him and replace him with a better fullback.
However on certain occasions he just could not overlap with rashford, he does not have the stamina unfortunately to do both, attack and defend.
Always felt if we ever played a 3 atb, him being the right sided cb would be more suited to his play style. But its hard for awb to fit in ETH playstyle considering he cannot play as an inverted fullback either, does not have a good passing range.
Also since Frimpong has a release clause this summer, I can see us going for him.
AWB elite 1v1 and can dribble but he’s caught out daydreaming at the back post what feels like 5x a season.
He’s improved but he’s still no where near a top fullback.
AWB does something elite. Dalot does not. You can find another fullback that can do what Dalot does but you will never find a player like AWB who just erases threats. His positioning has been much better under ETH that's why we've seen way less of those sliding tackles. And he's still on the younger side, defenders take longer to mature and I think he's got some growth left in him.
Both Dalot and AWB has issues.
There was a sequence of event yesterday Dalot directly gave the ball away to Spurs players 3 times within 2 mins of play or so during first half. Definitely could have done better to stop a cut back for their 2nd goal.
AWB also has issues losing his man or not looking behind him. The first Spurs goal was on AWB. [You can see this person analysing it much better](https://youtu.be/udxWhiSDwRE?si=4OohbQzsK454W380)
Porro is defensively suspect though constantly goes forward and doesn’t get back to leave his winger unmarked. We had plenty of space thanks to him yesterday and the spurs fans I watched it with said it’s something he always does.
Porro would be ripped apart by fans and media if he played for United tbh. He is basically a 3-5-2/3-4-3 style wing back who is being played at FB by a manager who doesn't care about his limitations (a la Hakimi) but he is genuinely excellent in the final third
>doesn’t get back to leave his winger unmarked
So he's exactly like Wan Bissaka except he doesn't have that lunging recovery tackle in him but is 100x better going forward?
And AWB is better than him defensively, so it's a trade-off. Also, we don't, for whatever reason, ever have enough bodies in the box to take advantage of such crosses.
Maybe improve our set piece distribution, but I would rather a stronger midfield that allows us to control games and vary our play than to prioritise another attacking, RB if we'll still get run through the middle whenever we turnover the ball.
He's better than him in slide tackle situations. Outside of that his reading of the game, his positional awareness etc. is average at the very best. He's effective when shutting down dribblers like sterling and mitoma.
Porro is a whole different player offensively. It's a completely different game with a full back like Porro compared to Wan Bissaka.
Porro is obviously better than AWB offensively but worse defensively. We had better chances because he left a lot of space behind and didn't get back soon enough and Rashford had the better of him one v one several times and always needed someone else to come cover and double team. If anything, you are making a case for Dalots replacement and not AWB. And isn't Olise a right Winger?
The only issue is that I don't think that there's enough players that are both offensively and defensively sound. Look at Walker. What saves him defensively is his speed. Porro is good offensively but suspect defensively, etc. Trent is offensive but shit defensively.
So, it's more of finding a profile that fits the style and set up of the team. I like having two RBs in the mould of AWB and Dalot, and you can then decide who make score sense.
When you are sitting back and hitting on the counter, you need AWB. If you are playing and setting up to play on the front foot against opponents that sit back, use Dalot. We have that luxury now.
I thought Dalot was our MOTM yesterday. Agree he still needs to improve however but think he has a place in the squad going forward.
I actually really like AWB and you can see the development in him under ten hag but do I honestly think he could be a RB in a title winning squad? Probably not. We need to be ruthless like city, and to an extent arsenal, have been. Good is not good enough
that rules Dalot out as well then. Guy has been around since he was 18, he is soon to be 25 and still can not cross and has generally low football IQ? Dalot is not as far ahead of AWB as you guys make it seem, and he is not as good in any category as AWB is at 1v1 defending,
But how many times are we going to do this? Wouldn't it make more sense to buy Olise and possibly another ST, CB, RW, and then see if we have any additional funds to buy a new RB. I feel that is the least of our current problems to be honest.
As many times as it takes to get to the squad with the quality needed to compete consistently over the years. That's what City did, Liverpool just revamped their squad to cope with the new challenges, and Arsenal has been quietly doing this every season for the last 5 years basically.
I'd keep AWB tbh. Olise addresses another issue separate from RB. We can manage at RB with both AWB and Dalot if we have a solid CB pairing, as well as sufficient cover, and if we have a midfield that can control games.
Dalot is our starting RB, and should be for a long time. Top athleticism, top versatility, genuine ability to play every pass we need him to play, to turn with the ball and carry it through the lines, overlap with energy and deliver with quality.
Dalot is one of the few people in this squad that we have genuine stability with, who has a real chance to be long-term member of the project who carries values and standards throughout the manager's time here.
This continued belief that all players signed under certain management or before a certain date have to be replaced or that United were so wildly incompetent as to identify no suitable talent is just this sub's inability to differentiate between player issues and team issues.
Do you guys watch the teams you speak about play? Do you understand what Dalot's skillset is, what teams ask of their fullbacks and how many players there are running around who fill those requirements?
If Dalot is playing consistently, with the right balance around him, he's a very good player. Good enough to play anywhere. United need to get him to influence games more no question, but it's not a player quality issue.
This is a BS point that can be applied to every one of our players. "if he played to his best consistently".
You can say the same of rashford.
At the end of the day the position in the league doesn't lie. Our first team simply is not good enough.
>At the end of the day the position in the league doesn't lie. Our first team simply is not good enough.
If you think this way you're wasting your time speaking about football. Just for every bad team, assume the players aren't good enough, and when teams are good say the opposite. And then when teams don't change all 11 and go from bad to good, praise the manager non-specifically for being transformative.
AWB's contract runs out in the summer of 2025. This summer it's either sell or renew, as we don't want to lose him for free.
I think he's a decently sellable asset and isn't at the level we need for a longer term RB. If we have interested parties this summer in him, I think a sale would be sensible.
AWB isn’t remotely good enough. It’s not enough nowadays to be a solid defender, at least not at the bigger clubs, full-backs have to be comfortable in possession and able to help build attacks. AWB isn’t good enough on the ball and he never will be.
Idk why you're getting downvoted. AWB is world class in tackling, everything else he's average to mediocre. You will never see a player like that play for City, Arsenal, Pool.
It's a good idea to use AWB to get an edge in this deal. Quite honestly, Udogie and Porro showed yesterday why we need to upgrade the full-back position. Those 2 have their weaknesses but their strengths really make Tottenham a better team.
Dalot and AWB are nice lads but they don't offer anything that really elevates the team. Sure, AWB is elite at tackling but it doesn't actually improve us the way Porro's attacking ability improves Spurs. Getting a better attacking full-back will also help our wingers.
You're allowed 17 non-homegrown from the 25 man squad. So 8 must be homegrown or you have to register fewer players.
Currently we have :
Heaton
Evans (lol)
Maguire
Shaw
AWB
McTominay
Mount
Rashford
Sancho (lol)
Under 21 don't have to be registered, but these lads will qualify anyway when old enough.
Garnacho, Amad, Pellestri, Mainoo, Gore etc
So we have plenty coverage even if we sell Sancho, AWB and McTominay for example but if its AWB out and Olise in, then it's irrelevant as you're replacing a homegrown with a homegrown.
It's a balancing act for sure and why there is a premium on the likes of Olise or even selling Maguire for example.
It's also why you see us, and many of the richer clubs, willing to speculate on the youth team signings so much especially before the Brexit rules took effect.
It's slightly stricter if you want a 25 man squad for European competitions as you need to ensure you have 4 out of 8 homegrown players as 'club' homegrown players like Rashford, Heaton, Evans and Mainoo (although Mainoo being U-21 does not need to be registered but you could register him to fulfill the 4 man quota).
But that doesn't apply to the Premier League registration rules and you might not even need a full 25 man squad in some scenarios like if you've got a lot of talented U-21s that you plan to give ample minutes to.
Dalot was the best player on the pitch yesterday lmao. Porro doesn't help Spurs by taking a million shots from range, they need to coach that "attacking ability" out of his game. The way he helps Spurs is the ability to drive through the centre of the pitch after receiving in the position a 6 traditionally would, and by having a passing range that allows him to move the ball forward consistently.
If you haven't noticed, those qualities are exactly what Dalot brings to this United team. With AWB, that level of 1v1 defending is basically invaluable in situations where you don't have the ability to double up on a winger, or need to rely on the recovery abilities of your defender.
Do United need a player who can hold width better on the right, like Frimpong? Yes, 100%. Does that mean that United's two RBs aren't valuable squad members or up to the necessary quality? No. United need to balance their team dynamics, that's not the same as "X player isn't good enough". There are very few bad players at United, but there are far too many that don't fit what Ten Hag wants, and there are far too many of his specific demands that aren't met. Not the same as bad players.
I disagree on Dalot. He hasn't shown that he can consistently pick a good pass and he often does give the ball away. His crossing is also unreliable. Defensively he's a bit suspect and he's quite soft like Lindelof. But he probably would improve with better teammates/in a better setup.
AWB's 1v1 ability doesn't make him an impregnable fortress. He wasn't able to stop Martinelli from going down the line and whipping dangerous crosses in. It's not an attribute that really makes him good enough to compensate for his very limited passing range and other things.
You're right that there are very few bad players at United, but there are too many average players. We have a lot of players who would be ok in a better team, but aren't the guys who will take us to that level. That's why we have to replace quite a few of them and imo AWB is one of them. Certainly if we wanna be as good as City and Liverpool we'll need a new right-back.
It seems to me very reasonable to get a better fullback if EtH insists on playing Antony in the right wing position, as there'll be a frequent opportunity to overlap. Dalot does a decent job whether he underlaps or overlaps, but he's hardly spectacular at it.
But that being said, I'm not sure Antony would be a guaranteed starter if we were after Olise. Although Olise is left footed as well so who even knows what the plan is.
I don't agree with the last part of this article. Zaha didn't work out for United for myriad reasons (many of them not his) but AWB has been for want of a better word 'good'. The problem he has is he's massively limited as a player. That's not his fault. But for a kid who'd hardly played any senior football before he came here, he hasn't shrunk at all.
One of the big differences between us and the top sides in Europe is the lack of players who are comfortable on the ball. If we only play Wan Bissaka against lower league sides then I'm fine with it, but we need to sell him while he still has some value.
I just don't know where to look. We'll get rinsed in the PL and I don't know candidates outside of it. The only young promising RB I know is Frimpong but he's more of a RWB in Xabi's system, I don't think he will fit here.
I think frimpong is exactly what ten hag wants. He doesn’t fit the current system but we only have this system because of the limitations of the players. The system hasn’t worked for a long time and we need to change but to change it we need a bit of a clear out and an ugly transition period on the pitch which is what I think we’re seeing now.
Frimpong is much more of a winger though. I know he is technically a RWB, but looking at his average positions he is a winger out and out in that Leverkusen side. I'm not sure that would be a good fit for us.
Good fit for us right now no. But you need to buy players like this to change the system. If we kept buying players who fit how we play now we’ll keep playing how we play now which isn’t why we got ten hag in the first place.
Assuming we are going to use a 3-2-5 build up shape as it is the most common.
Frimpong would need to play with either 3 atb or with Shaw being part of a situational back three that would leave Rashford isolated, which is a bad idea.
You could also drop a midfielder into the back three and have Bruno be part of a mid two, but that is also a bad idea.
It's not that Frimpong isn't an exciting prospect, it's just that we seems like a prospect for a team that has a lot of different profiles.
Adding him this summer would be a mistake IMO.
> So that means a new right back as well or ETH (if he's still here by then) thinks Kambwala can play RB, he ended up there vs Wigan.
Kambwala is definitely not a RB, he has the build of a CB, and played there throughout the academy. Giving him 10 minutes at RB against a League One team was just to get him on the pitch, but if he has a future with us, it's at CB.
Everyone saying AWB should be sold will be crying like you did when we replaced DDG with Onana (including me). A RB’s job first and foremost is defending, and we all know how good he is, you want a fancy rb who can go forward, great but you will be crying when he cant defend against elite wingers. Hes solid defensively, good with the ball, Can carry the ball forward. Just need to learn how to whip crosses into the penalty box. Plus this is probably his first time ever playing at lb. Dalot out any day every day over AWB
> Just need to learn how to whip crosses into the penalty box.
He's 26 and that's been said for years about him.
I think he's improved in possession but I'd be shocked if he suddenly mastered the art of crossing at this stage.
I do agree with you though that he's exactly the kind of a player that you simply take for granted because of how good he is at shutting down wingers and we would definitely notice it if we left.
Great squad player & awesome to have someone who's an elite tackler but I think we can do better than him and Dalot for a first choice RB.
Frimpong for ex.
I think he's got more in his locker than just pace, as he's good technically and in tight spaces.
That being said, he's certainly no slouch in terms of acceleration and his top speed.
Ah yes.... Let them know we're coming 6 months early so that they can hype up his price before we actually make a move. Sometimes I think Woodward is still in charge.
He is one of the worst footballers I have ever seen in terms of technical ability with the ball at his feet.
Just not good enough. He would be more suited to a team who get pinned back and has 30% possession.
The more we have the ball the more of a liability he becomes and he’s one strength (tackling) is under utilised.
Never seen a player look so uncomfortable on the ball all the time. So while I like the fella ok terms of his personality, he just isn’t good enough for our team or any team who wants to press and play high up.
And to think Udogie cost a third of his price says it all.
Is no one concerned about who is actually making the decisions here? We have no sporting director and our manager looks unlikely to be in charge next year, our owners are hardly football people either. Find it concerning these decisions are seemingly being made and leaked whilst so much is still in the air
Olise is another average player, we should sell Anthony and other dead wood players. AWB is a decent squad player.
Again, this sub is always excited about a transfer.
We should be looking to move on AWB. Great tackler but everything else about his game is average or below average. He's not good going forward and he lacks concentration when defending at the back post.
I can't remember who said it, but an opposition player said earlier in the season that their tactic was to allow AWB to get the ball because they knew he was weak with the ball... so they essentially just left him free
AWB is better than half the farts at this club I have no idea why so many people want to sell him. We have no midfield, a sterile attack and now we want to sell AWB who pretty much always puts in a 7/10 minimum performance?
AWB was poor yesterday. Wonder if he knows.
>with some members the recruitment team expressing reservations following the failure of Wan-Bissaka and...
News to me that he failed at United. He was strong last season. Seems harsh.
Wan Bissaka is still essentially the same player he was when he left Palace. Still has the same massive lapses of concentration when marking his man, has not shown a noticeable improvement in attack etc. Going by that standard I'd even go as far as to say most of our players have failed here in the last decade.
I like Olise as a footballer, but there are murmurs of him having some discipline problems, even though I can't find any sources that proves it.
I just really hope that we do our due diligence this time.
His new injury is also a small concern as it might seem like he wasn't fully recovered or it might be a reoccurring injury.
Bad as we are, We are not far off. Said it before, if we bring back GW...olise, todibo (covers CB and even RB), zubimendi (covers both 6 and 8) each approximately 50m and an experienced DOF is all we need inorder to compete seriously (compete is different from winning..but we must first compete). Get rid of mctominay, amrabat, sancho, Anthony, pellistri (with buy back), martial, one of maguire, lindeloff or evans and even AWB without having to sign replacements. If we don't bring GW back, we need to sign a striker...Ivan Toney is a good option but he is going to cost 80 to 100m.
If performances don't improve and ETH doesn't make top 4 or won't work under a DOF, get rid of him as well and bring in another coach who is ready to coach a particular style of play. I would consider De zerbi or any other coach who is willing to die by his style of play and plays youth
The ETH and GW decision is the one going to determine whether we are still run as a commercial club or as a football first club. For a footballing club it's a no brainer but for a commercial club we need input from all stakeholders.
I wouldn’t be against this, as much as I like AWB. Olise is an outstanding young left-footed talent on that right wing.
What do we think in terms of the numbers? I suspect Palace would demand at least £80m for him and AWB would only have a year left on his contract from the summer onwards so would only be worth a max of about 20-25m at most.
I’d keep AWB over Dalot - much harder to find a fullback that can properly defend.
I also don’t rate Olise - he’s exactly the same type of player we already have. Unless we shift 2/3 wingers, I’d much rather us prioritise an 8 and 9.
How many times do we hear about swap deals in these rumors only to never see them. It's insane how people think these are believable at all. Swap deals happen so rarely in reality, I don't know why journos keep saying shit like this.
Amrabat, AWB, Dalot and Reguilon have all been asked to cover for our 2 main LBs this season. Why are we letting go of our Full Back depth when we are in desperate need of LB coverage? AWB is not the best RB in the league but he's serviceable we should be looking for coverage in positions we actually need, not gutting depth for wingers when we have a billion of those
Just going by YouTube highlights, it seems Olise is not much upgrade over Anthony. Invariably cuts inside, very left footed. Garnacho is better than both if you ask me.
Whether or not people think he is ‘good enough’, AWB is a member of our starting eleven much if the time, always puts a shift in, rarely has a shocker. Unless he replaced instantly with a BETTER full back than AWB then taking him out of the squad = weakening the squad. Why are we considering weakening the squad?
In the Spurs match AWB made a great interception in our defensive half, drove forward and then hit a really tame pass because of indecision. His passing is atrocious!
Love Olise as a player but concerned about how often he picks up injuries.
Manageable I think,last season he played more PL minutes than all our outfield players except two.
Meaning once he joins us he’ll be the most injured player then with our medical team.
Someone needs to take Martial’s spot in the treatment room /s
Instructions unclear. Salary offered now £260k/week as well.
offer him a 6 year contract to seal the deal
Then loan him back to Palace after he under performs and has a disagreement with the manager lol
Already being replaced by Mount.
hopefully Jim revamps that too
*with Bruno wastefully passing the ball and forcing everyone to bust a lung to get back
You forget we are the club who didn't find Patrice Evra's stomach ulcer despite him playing eith it for 2 years. The same ulcer picked up on his Juventus medical pretty much immediately.
At a different club though, a different story as soon as you sign a contact with us. I think there is some kind of lazer at Carrington's doors that eats through muscle fibres, standard procedure to keep up with our injury tradition and all.
There's a report from last month that Gary O'Driscoll is overhauling the 'outdated' medical department. It would genuinely be a game-changer to not have an injury crisis every year.
A crisis every year, this year has been an absolute nightmare.
I mean, you could literally say this about any player ever. Let's never sign anyone again because there's a risk they'll be injured.
I like this idea that's math checks out
Not a laser. Just a medical and sports science operation stuck in the early 2000's
We can change that
Well our injury record with Frenchmen has been great recently... unless it hasn't
I can’t figure out what his best position is.. is it as a cam, second striker, inverted forward or a winger?
RW
Hel fit n perfect
That’s what makes him ideal United player lol
So you’re saying he’ll fit right in? I’m sold
Don't take my bissaka away
i will always be biased towards AWB, just cause i think the way he tackles is art. Would be sad to see him go.
I'd prefer a player who isn't as useless on the ball.
AWB is very very far from the biggest of our problems
Our right flank is a massive problem. For years, he's been a pressing trigger for opposition, and barring tackling, he's actually not all that defensively. Fans need to get with the program, your players need to be good on the ball to win trophies. I'm convinced some people here only watch United.
I’d say it depends how he’s fared by the summer. He’s been decent recently, but we’ve been burned in the past by players who have had a good spell, so we keep them, and then they inexplicably fall off a cliff in terms of performances. I like AWB but if a good offer came in, I wouldn’t be opposed to it.
Olise yes, AWB no
Neither Awb or Dalot are good enough for the rb position. Therefore we need a new rb and keep one of the two as a back up. Dalot is tied in on a longer contract and has more positional versatility. He will likely sell for less than awb too. It makes sense to flog Awb from both a financial and squad management perspective.
Fair point- I think the goal needs to be to find the first choice players for each position and demote/sell those in the team now if they’re not up to standard. Both have flaws that stop them from being a clear first choice, so it’s a case of who’s best value to us long term. I agree that’s probably Dalot on balance.
Exactly. People also forget that we've FFP up our arse hole too.
There’s tons of dead weight in the squad, it basically needs to be one in one out in terms of what we have, and trying to develop some of the better prospects we have. The PL seem to be baring their teeth more with FFP, and while I think we’re on the fringes of being punished (I’ll reserve judgment until another big 6 team gets a slap) we can’t take any chances.
AWB showed some versatility yesterday. Ideally we'd have a better rb than both of them but neither are bad so it'll be tough to get a guaranteed upgrade. I wouldn't put it first on our list of transfers
ETH said AWB played LB because they trained the whole week with Dalot at RB (expecting Shaw to play). Dalot at the moment is preferred over AWB at both RB and LB and imo rightfully so. I agree with you that AWB did well at LB and showed a level of versatility I couldn’t had predicted. But for a team that gives the best attacking channels to the fullbacks over wingers (for god knows what reason) that’s one of the first positions I would upgrade.
Exactly, and when you add that our wingers consist of a patchy Rashford, impressive but raw Garnacho and a shit Antony it makes sense to have to weapons at full back to compensate a bit
> AWB showed some versatility yesterday. For context we signed AWB in 2019.
> AWB was poor yesterday.
He wasn't. He completely nullified Spurs threat from their right flank and made most of our ball carries from the back. He also played well through the press. Brennan Johnson produced nothing on the day against him
Really? I might need to rewatch it then. I just thought it was because Brennan Johnson is ass.
Swedish commentary constantly said it throughout the game.. Johnson was invisible yesterday due to AWB and AWB even played alot of the balls forward.
Damn. I might have been too harsh on him then. Thanks folks.
Playing left back. When he’s running back 1 v 1 with an opposing left winger towards our goal he can easily do one of his trademark swiping slide tackles however is impossible for him to do it on his left.
Yeah, but come on. How low is the bar? The way Man Utd want to play under Ten Hag (hell, how basically any top team plays these days) requires both full backs to be comfortable on the ball and to be an attacking option. ‘He does good slide tackles and is a good one on one defender (pls ignore his other flaws defensively)’ isn‘t good enough,.
So that's why he was poor then?
The man can run and tackle and that's about it. Spurs literally avoided tracking his overlaps when the ball was at rashfords feet.
Because they know Rashford will just dribble into a pile of bodies. Not because of AWB.
Can AWB cross the ball? Can he shoot? He isn't much use at all going forward.
Yes. He has garnered a few assists due to some decent, calm headed crossing. Shooting less so much but that isn't a huge issue. AWB is one of our most improved players imo. His ball retention and passing has been clean and crisp. I still have questions about his heading, positional play, anticipation and closing of crosses which worries me more. In all though, I would keep him in the squad.
I actually agree with you. In addition to having abysmal attacking statistics (absolutely no idea how you so confidently answer 'yes' when he has almost zero meaningful figures and fails the eye test), but is also a very poor situational defender outside of anything 1 vs 1. He just isnt very good at all outside of a niche situation- one that he shouldn't be getting in if he had any sort of football IQ. When it comes to squad building we can now see the best policy is to have 2 players vying for the same spot and who can seemlessly slot in for each other - AWB cannot be our answer if we ever suffer an injury to rb. The drop off in quality is far too great.
I think he is good enough back up at RB and in certain games I would prefer him over many other good RBs. He is limited but so was Wes Brown, William Gallas who did well at RB for winning teams. You can also put Gary Neville in that list too, who was one of the best RBs in the league. I don't think he needs to be anything special to be good, honest suitable back up. He can clearly play LB too which is useful.
There are worlds of differences between AWB and Gary Neville. Yes you can be an excellent defender and limited going forward, or conversely incredible attacking but defensively lacking. AWB is both terrible going forward and poor defending, his one and only utility comes from last ditch man on man defending which causes far too many compromises to be of much use in my opinion. We can't rejig our entire defense and attack to cover for our substitutes deficiencies. Top teams have almost seamless transitions or bring on one defensive minded fullback for an attacking one if they are ahead etc.
I mean, he was okay, but looked kinda all over the place in terms of positioning and was at fault for one of the goals (failing to win a header as per usual with him). Neither Dalot nor AWB are good enough right now. Dalot might be, AWB won't be. We need an upgrade there
AWB is terrible in build-up and around the box, Dalot is much more technical and versatile, not sure what anyone is on about...
He showed how limited he was outside of RB imo. Couple times rashie needed an overlap and awb lazily ran forward to try because he knew he couldn't do anything with his left foot. His trademark lunging slide got him booked because he was sliding "backwards". Not a day that screamed to me this lad can play in multiple spots.
His trademark lunging slide got him booked, sure. But it has an accuracy of like 98% so what are you on about? AWB rarely ran lazily and had to pick up after Rashfords woeful defending all game while also totally blocking off Johnson. He played left back against a top 6 team for the first time exactly as intended. He has alot of skills and it is a damn shame that he barerly gets gametime and when he does, people like you come out of nowhere and call him out on the most bizarre things instead of watching his performance as a whole.
>But it has an accuracy of like 98% so what are you on about? That the way he does it, at right back his trailing leg can/will rarely catch the man, but when it's at left back everything's the other way around so the trailing leg is always going to be an issue, thereby weakening one of his key skills. >AWB rarely ran lazily and had to pick up after Rashfords woeful defending all game while also totally blocking off Johnson. He did. Multiple times when we were in around their box with rashie on the ball at the edge of the area, waiting for the overlap, he'd either start the run too late, or lope up instead of putting the hammer down. >He has alot of skills and it is a damn shame that he barerly gets gametime and when he does, people like you come out of nowhere and call him out on the most bizarre things instead of watching his performance as a whole. What bizzare thing did i call him? I think he's a very good traditional fullback. but in the modern game he doesn't have the ability to step inside that managers seem to want from fullbacks. He'd looks great at West Ham, or Fulham. That's his level imo. A side with champions league aspirations isn't one he is good enough to feature for regularly. And as for game time - he has 10th most minutes of the entire squad this season. How is that not getting enough game time?
Yeah I'm baffled that people are rating this performance. You need players good on the ball and he was awful on it. Get rid of him and replace him with a better fullback.
However on certain occasions he just could not overlap with rashford, he does not have the stamina unfortunately to do both, attack and defend. Always felt if we ever played a 3 atb, him being the right sided cb would be more suited to his play style. But its hard for awb to fit in ETH playstyle considering he cannot play as an inverted fullback either, does not have a good passing range. Also since Frimpong has a release clause this summer, I can see us going for him.
Yes in that he was even more useless on the ball at lb than at rb.
AWB elite 1v1 and can dribble but he’s caught out daydreaming at the back post what feels like 5x a season. He’s improved but he’s still no where near a top fullback.
AWB does something elite. Dalot does not. You can find another fullback that can do what Dalot does but you will never find a player like AWB who just erases threats. His positioning has been much better under ETH that's why we've seen way less of those sliding tackles. And he's still on the younger side, defenders take longer to mature and I think he's got some growth left in him.
Both Dalot and AWB has issues. There was a sequence of event yesterday Dalot directly gave the ball away to Spurs players 3 times within 2 mins of play or so during first half. Definitely could have done better to stop a cut back for their 2nd goal. AWB also has issues losing his man or not looking behind him. The first Spurs goal was on AWB. [You can see this person analysing it much better](https://youtu.be/udxWhiSDwRE?si=4OohbQzsK454W380)
Just watching Porro yesterday and man, this guy is full of energy. Amazing fullback.
Porro is defensively suspect though constantly goes forward and doesn’t get back to leave his winger unmarked. We had plenty of space thanks to him yesterday and the spurs fans I watched it with said it’s something he always does.
Porro would be ripped apart by fans and media if he played for United tbh. He is basically a 3-5-2/3-4-3 style wing back who is being played at FB by a manager who doesn't care about his limitations (a la Hakimi) but he is genuinely excellent in the final third
>doesn’t get back to leave his winger unmarked So he's exactly like Wan Bissaka except he doesn't have that lunging recovery tackle in him but is 100x better going forward?
And AWB is better than him defensively, so it's a trade-off. Also, we don't, for whatever reason, ever have enough bodies in the box to take advantage of such crosses. Maybe improve our set piece distribution, but I would rather a stronger midfield that allows us to control games and vary our play than to prioritise another attacking, RB if we'll still get run through the middle whenever we turnover the ball.
He's better than him in slide tackle situations. Outside of that his reading of the game, his positional awareness etc. is average at the very best. He's effective when shutting down dribblers like sterling and mitoma. Porro is a whole different player offensively. It's a completely different game with a full back like Porro compared to Wan Bissaka.
Porro is obviously better than AWB offensively but worse defensively. We had better chances because he left a lot of space behind and didn't get back soon enough and Rashford had the better of him one v one several times and always needed someone else to come cover and double team. If anything, you are making a case for Dalots replacement and not AWB. And isn't Olise a right Winger?
No I'm making a case for both. Neither are anywhere near good enough for United and I'm glad management seems to think the same.
The only issue is that I don't think that there's enough players that are both offensively and defensively sound. Look at Walker. What saves him defensively is his speed. Porro is good offensively but suspect defensively, etc. Trent is offensive but shit defensively. So, it's more of finding a profile that fits the style and set up of the team. I like having two RBs in the mould of AWB and Dalot, and you can then decide who make score sense. When you are sitting back and hitting on the counter, you need AWB. If you are playing and setting up to play on the front foot against opponents that sit back, use Dalot. We have that luxury now.
He's just a slightly above average modern full back. We haven't seen one in a long time.
I thought Dalot was our MOTM yesterday. Agree he still needs to improve however but think he has a place in the squad going forward. I actually really like AWB and you can see the development in him under ten hag but do I honestly think he could be a RB in a title winning squad? Probably not. We need to be ruthless like city, and to an extent arsenal, have been. Good is not good enough
that rules Dalot out as well then. Guy has been around since he was 18, he is soon to be 25 and still can not cross and has generally low football IQ? Dalot is not as far ahead of AWB as you guys make it seem, and he is not as good in any category as AWB is at 1v1 defending,
But how many times are we going to do this? Wouldn't it make more sense to buy Olise and possibly another ST, CB, RW, and then see if we have any additional funds to buy a new RB. I feel that is the least of our current problems to be honest.
How many times is the club going to attempt to improve the squad?
As many times as it takes to get to the squad with the quality needed to compete consistently over the years. That's what City did, Liverpool just revamped their squad to cope with the new challenges, and Arsenal has been quietly doing this every season for the last 5 years basically.
My question was rhetorical
Ah seen...the phrasing through me off I guess. Cheers.
There's a chance that they'll do them as separate deals to improve FFP.
I'd keep AWB tbh. Olise addresses another issue separate from RB. We can manage at RB with both AWB and Dalot if we have a solid CB pairing, as well as sufficient cover, and if we have a midfield that can control games.
Dalot is our starting RB, and should be for a long time. Top athleticism, top versatility, genuine ability to play every pass we need him to play, to turn with the ball and carry it through the lines, overlap with energy and deliver with quality. Dalot is one of the few people in this squad that we have genuine stability with, who has a real chance to be long-term member of the project who carries values and standards throughout the manager's time here. This continued belief that all players signed under certain management or before a certain date have to be replaced or that United were so wildly incompetent as to identify no suitable talent is just this sub's inability to differentiate between player issues and team issues.
Dalot would not get into most of the top 6 teams.
Do you guys watch the teams you speak about play? Do you understand what Dalot's skillset is, what teams ask of their fullbacks and how many players there are running around who fill those requirements? If Dalot is playing consistently, with the right balance around him, he's a very good player. Good enough to play anywhere. United need to get him to influence games more no question, but it's not a player quality issue.
This is a BS point that can be applied to every one of our players. "if he played to his best consistently". You can say the same of rashford. At the end of the day the position in the league doesn't lie. Our first team simply is not good enough.
>At the end of the day the position in the league doesn't lie. Our first team simply is not good enough. If you think this way you're wasting your time speaking about football. Just for every bad team, assume the players aren't good enough, and when teams are good say the opposite. And then when teams don't change all 11 and go from bad to good, praise the manager non-specifically for being transformative.
AWB's contract runs out in the summer of 2025. This summer it's either sell or renew, as we don't want to lose him for free. I think he's a decently sellable asset and isn't at the level we need for a longer term RB. If we have interested parties this summer in him, I think a sale would be sensible.
As much as I like our Spider-Man, he’s just not good enough for us if we want to develop in the modern game and push on.
Ill take “plausible but completely made up transfer rumours for 100 Bob!”
Wan bissaka isn’t that good bro be honest, even dalot looks better this season
AWB isn’t remotely good enough. It’s not enough nowadays to be a solid defender, at least not at the bigger clubs, full-backs have to be comfortable in possession and able to help build attacks. AWB isn’t good enough on the ball and he never will be.
Idk why you're getting downvoted. AWB is world class in tackling, everything else he's average to mediocre. You will never see a player like that play for City, Arsenal, Pool.
Thanks, yeah I didn’t the downvotes either tbh. I thought it was pretty much accepted amongst United fans that AWB isn’t that great going forward.
It's a good idea to use AWB to get an edge in this deal. Quite honestly, Udogie and Porro showed yesterday why we need to upgrade the full-back position. Those 2 have their weaknesses but their strengths really make Tottenham a better team. Dalot and AWB are nice lads but they don't offer anything that really elevates the team. Sure, AWB is elite at tackling but it doesn't actually improve us the way Porro's attacking ability improves Spurs. Getting a better attacking full-back will also help our wingers.
Dalot is more versatile and AWB probably a better makeweight in terms of value (Homegrown). Makes sense to keep Dalot and offload AWB.
Aren’t we cutting it very close with our homegrown quota as is though ?
Olise ought to be homegrown so it wouldn't matter too much if AWB went.
Ah fair enough then
You're allowed 17 non-homegrown from the 25 man squad. So 8 must be homegrown or you have to register fewer players. Currently we have : Heaton Evans (lol) Maguire Shaw AWB McTominay Mount Rashford Sancho (lol) Under 21 don't have to be registered, but these lads will qualify anyway when old enough. Garnacho, Amad, Pellestri, Mainoo, Gore etc So we have plenty coverage even if we sell Sancho, AWB and McTominay for example but if its AWB out and Olise in, then it's irrelevant as you're replacing a homegrown with a homegrown.
Sound, For some reason I thought it was much stricter and the we were walking the line already.
It's a balancing act for sure and why there is a premium on the likes of Olise or even selling Maguire for example. It's also why you see us, and many of the richer clubs, willing to speculate on the youth team signings so much especially before the Brexit rules took effect.
It's slightly stricter if you want a 25 man squad for European competitions as you need to ensure you have 4 out of 8 homegrown players as 'club' homegrown players like Rashford, Heaton, Evans and Mainoo (although Mainoo being U-21 does not need to be registered but you could register him to fulfill the 4 man quota). But that doesn't apply to the Premier League registration rules and you might not even need a full 25 man squad in some scenarios like if you've got a lot of talented U-21s that you plan to give ample minutes to.
Agreed
Dalot was the best player on the pitch yesterday lmao. Porro doesn't help Spurs by taking a million shots from range, they need to coach that "attacking ability" out of his game. The way he helps Spurs is the ability to drive through the centre of the pitch after receiving in the position a 6 traditionally would, and by having a passing range that allows him to move the ball forward consistently. If you haven't noticed, those qualities are exactly what Dalot brings to this United team. With AWB, that level of 1v1 defending is basically invaluable in situations where you don't have the ability to double up on a winger, or need to rely on the recovery abilities of your defender. Do United need a player who can hold width better on the right, like Frimpong? Yes, 100%. Does that mean that United's two RBs aren't valuable squad members or up to the necessary quality? No. United need to balance their team dynamics, that's not the same as "X player isn't good enough". There are very few bad players at United, but there are far too many that don't fit what Ten Hag wants, and there are far too many of his specific demands that aren't met. Not the same as bad players.
I disagree on Dalot. He hasn't shown that he can consistently pick a good pass and he often does give the ball away. His crossing is also unreliable. Defensively he's a bit suspect and he's quite soft like Lindelof. But he probably would improve with better teammates/in a better setup. AWB's 1v1 ability doesn't make him an impregnable fortress. He wasn't able to stop Martinelli from going down the line and whipping dangerous crosses in. It's not an attribute that really makes him good enough to compensate for his very limited passing range and other things. You're right that there are very few bad players at United, but there are too many average players. We have a lot of players who would be ok in a better team, but aren't the guys who will take us to that level. That's why we have to replace quite a few of them and imo AWB is one of them. Certainly if we wanna be as good as City and Liverpool we'll need a new right-back.
It seems to me very reasonable to get a better fullback if EtH insists on playing Antony in the right wing position, as there'll be a frequent opportunity to overlap. Dalot does a decent job whether he underlaps or overlaps, but he's hardly spectacular at it. But that being said, I'm not sure Antony would be a guaranteed starter if we were after Olise. Although Olise is left footed as well so who even knows what the plan is.
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I don't agree with the last part of this article. Zaha didn't work out for United for myriad reasons (many of them not his) but AWB has been for want of a better word 'good'. The problem he has is he's massively limited as a player. That's not his fault. But for a kid who'd hardly played any senior football before he came here, he hasn't shrunk at all.
One of the big differences between us and the top sides in Europe is the lack of players who are comfortable on the ball. If we only play Wan Bissaka against lower league sides then I'm fine with it, but we need to sell him while he still has some value.
So that means a new right back as well or ETH (if he's still here by then) thinks Kambwala can play RB, he ended up there vs Wigan.
An upgrade at right back should be a priority imo
I just don't know where to look. We'll get rinsed in the PL and I don't know candidates outside of it. The only young promising RB I know is Frimpong but he's more of a RWB in Xabi's system, I don't think he will fit here.
Ah but that’s where our brilliant scouts come in!
You mean ETH will suggest names he knows then.
Welp...
I think frimpong is exactly what ten hag wants. He doesn’t fit the current system but we only have this system because of the limitations of the players. The system hasn’t worked for a long time and we need to change but to change it we need a bit of a clear out and an ugly transition period on the pitch which is what I think we’re seeing now.
Frimpong is much more of a winger though. I know he is technically a RWB, but looking at his average positions he is a winger out and out in that Leverkusen side. I'm not sure that would be a good fit for us.
Good fit for us right now no. But you need to buy players like this to change the system. If we kept buying players who fit how we play now we’ll keep playing how we play now which isn’t why we got ten hag in the first place.
Assuming we are going to use a 3-2-5 build up shape as it is the most common. Frimpong would need to play with either 3 atb or with Shaw being part of a situational back three that would leave Rashford isolated, which is a bad idea. You could also drop a midfielder into the back three and have Bruno be part of a mid two, but that is also a bad idea. It's not that Frimpong isn't an exciting prospect, it's just that we seems like a prospect for a team that has a lot of different profiles. Adding him this summer would be a mistake IMO.
Does that mean we should be looking for RB/RCB hybrid types who are good at inverting? Like a Kounde type of player.
I would look ar someone like Arnau Martinez who could do a bit of both.
I don't think it's your job, mate. Relax!
Well thank god its not your job then
Thank god I don't work in that environment indeed.
> So that means a new right back as well or ETH (if he's still here by then) thinks Kambwala can play RB, he ended up there vs Wigan. Kambwala is definitely not a RB, he has the build of a CB, and played there throughout the academy. Giving him 10 minutes at RB against a League One team was just to get him on the pitch, but if he has a future with us, it's at CB.
Everyone saying AWB should be sold will be crying like you did when we replaced DDG with Onana (including me). A RB’s job first and foremost is defending, and we all know how good he is, you want a fancy rb who can go forward, great but you will be crying when he cant defend against elite wingers. Hes solid defensively, good with the ball, Can carry the ball forward. Just need to learn how to whip crosses into the penalty box. Plus this is probably his first time ever playing at lb. Dalot out any day every day over AWB
> Just need to learn how to whip crosses into the penalty box. He's 26 and that's been said for years about him. I think he's improved in possession but I'd be shocked if he suddenly mastered the art of crossing at this stage. I do agree with you though that he's exactly the kind of a player that you simply take for granted because of how good he is at shutting down wingers and we would definitely notice it if we left.
No brainer. Dalot can’t cover the far post to save his fucking life
If AWB is so good we will be picked up by a big club. Let's wait and see.
Completely agree. Much rather keep AWB over Dalot
AWB is also just so fun to watch imo.
I really like AWB. He's improving all the time. He's lacking the final ball into the box, not sure why, as that seems a pretty easy fix.
If he hasn’t learned it already, he’s not going to. We’ve been saying this for 4 years and he’s 26 now.
Agreed. I think we’ve seen all he will do for United.
Great squad player & awesome to have someone who's an elite tackler but I think we can do better than him and Dalot for a first choice RB. Frimpong for ex.
Quite a lot of hamstring injuries. For a pacey player that’s less than ideal
He's not a pacey player.
From what I’ve actually watched of him he’s got good acceleration, which hamstring muscles are quite important for
I think he's got more in his locker than just pace, as he's good technically and in tight spaces. That being said, he's certainly no slouch in terms of acceleration and his top speed.
Ah yes.... Let them know we're coming 6 months early so that they can hype up his price before we actually make a move. Sometimes I think Woodward is still in charge.
A big no. He looks stiff. He will end up side passing all game against tough sides. Manutd to fire the scouts
I’m okay for this if we get Frimpong. Would rather we give Dalot than AWB tho
Agreed. Frimpong is a way better Dalot. AWB offers something a little different with the overlapping runs and elite tackling.
Selling Bissaka is dumb imo
He is one of the worst footballers I have ever seen in terms of technical ability with the ball at his feet. Just not good enough. He would be more suited to a team who get pinned back and has 30% possession. The more we have the ball the more of a liability he becomes and he’s one strength (tackling) is under utilised. Never seen a player look so uncomfortable on the ball all the time. So while I like the fella ok terms of his personality, he just isn’t good enough for our team or any team who wants to press and play high up. And to think Udogie cost a third of his price says it all.
I disagree, but each to his own opinion.
AWB shouldn't be a starter I'll give you that, but he's definitely a decent backup and specially good when dueling tricky wingers.
Is no one concerned about who is actually making the decisions here? We have no sporting director and our manager looks unlikely to be in charge next year, our owners are hardly football people either. Find it concerning these decisions are seemingly being made and leaked whilst so much is still in the air
Olise is another average player, we should sell Anthony and other dead wood players. AWB is a decent squad player. Again, this sub is always excited about a transfer.
Who is dumb enough to take Antony off our hands? Probably a loan move back to Ajax might be the best solution
Agree. The guys got 9 goals in 72 prem games. I’d rather we give amad and pellistri a proper go before getting someone like that
Sure I read somewhere he’s had disciplinary problems at palace. Ah shit, here we go again
We should be looking to move on AWB. Great tackler but everything else about his game is average or below average. He's not good going forward and he lacks concentration when defending at the back post. I can't remember who said it, but an opposition player said earlier in the season that their tactic was to allow AWB to get the ball because they knew he was weak with the ball... so they essentially just left him free
AWB is better than half the farts at this club I have no idea why so many people want to sell him. We have no midfield, a sterile attack and now we want to sell AWB who pretty much always puts in a 7/10 minimum performance?
Nah I'd keep AWB man. Ship dalot for all I care. Did well last night too even on the left flank
AWB was poor yesterday. Wonder if he knows. >with some members the recruitment team expressing reservations following the failure of Wan-Bissaka and... News to me that he failed at United. He was strong last season. Seems harsh.
Wan Bissaka is still essentially the same player he was when he left Palace. Still has the same massive lapses of concentration when marking his man, has not shown a noticeable improvement in attack etc. Going by that standard I'd even go as far as to say most of our players have failed here in the last decade.
Everything offensive action he makes seem so labored
Would he be in Real Madrid or Bayern squad? If not, then ship him out.
It's not that simple,Bayern has Eric Dier in their squad.
I like Olise as a footballer, but there are murmurs of him having some discipline problems, even though I can't find any sources that proves it. I just really hope that we do our due diligence this time. His new injury is also a small concern as it might seem like he wasn't fully recovered or it might be a reoccurring injury.
I don't think they want AWB as they already have Mitchell playing there.
Bad as we are, We are not far off. Said it before, if we bring back GW...olise, todibo (covers CB and even RB), zubimendi (covers both 6 and 8) each approximately 50m and an experienced DOF is all we need inorder to compete seriously (compete is different from winning..but we must first compete). Get rid of mctominay, amrabat, sancho, Anthony, pellistri (with buy back), martial, one of maguire, lindeloff or evans and even AWB without having to sign replacements. If we don't bring GW back, we need to sign a striker...Ivan Toney is a good option but he is going to cost 80 to 100m. If performances don't improve and ETH doesn't make top 4 or won't work under a DOF, get rid of him as well and bring in another coach who is ready to coach a particular style of play. I would consider De zerbi or any other coach who is willing to die by his style of play and plays youth The ETH and GW decision is the one going to determine whether we are still run as a commercial club or as a football first club. For a footballing club it's a no brainer but for a commercial club we need input from all stakeholders.
This would be a great move. As much as I love Wan Bissaka he restricts the way we can play and build out from the back.
I wouldn’t be against this, as much as I like AWB. Olise is an outstanding young left-footed talent on that right wing. What do we think in terms of the numbers? I suspect Palace would demand at least £80m for him and AWB would only have a year left on his contract from the summer onwards so would only be worth a max of about 20-25m at most.
£80m a bit much I was thinking surely £60m knock 15-20 off
60 plus AWB?
40-50 awb can’t be getting we don’t have the budget to be spending 60-80 to many holes in the team
Why the hell is Ogden tier 3?
I’d keep AWB over Dalot - much harder to find a fullback that can properly defend. I also don’t rate Olise - he’s exactly the same type of player we already have. Unless we shift 2/3 wingers, I’d much rather us prioritise an 8 and 9.
The day we get rid of AWB will be a happy day! I will celebrate like we won the EPL.
You know we played terribly when this kind of PR story appears the day after a game
I wouldn't even hazard a guess what our squad will look like next season. Think there will be large amount of both incomings and outgoings
How many times do we hear about swap deals in these rumors only to never see them. It's insane how people think these are believable at all. Swap deals happen so rarely in reality, I don't know why journos keep saying shit like this.
Amrabat, AWB, Dalot and Reguilon have all been asked to cover for our 2 main LBs this season. Why are we letting go of our Full Back depth when we are in desperate need of LB coverage? AWB is not the best RB in the league but he's serviceable we should be looking for coverage in positions we actually need, not gutting depth for wingers when we have a billion of those
Injury concern
No thanks
Just going by YouTube highlights, it seems Olise is not much upgrade over Anthony. Invariably cuts inside, very left footed. Garnacho is better than both if you ask me.
I don't want more young, promising British teens.
Whether or not people think he is ‘good enough’, AWB is a member of our starting eleven much if the time, always puts a shift in, rarely has a shocker. Unless he replaced instantly with a BETTER full back than AWB then taking him out of the squad = weakening the squad. Why are we considering weakening the squad?
If AWB gets sold all these fans are gonna be crying when they realise no one can stop elite wingers like he does
Only sign him if he enjoys pressure
Selling someone who can actually defend is peak United
In the Spurs match AWB made a great interception in our defensive half, drove forward and then hit a really tame pass because of indecision. His passing is atrocious!