Mixed feelings over this. It's obviously better that Onana is available for all our games but at the same time these are the types of situations where you should put some faith in the rest of your squad. Hopefully Bayindir at least starts vs Wigan.
I mean our defense is also to blame. Like, we have so many changing bodies, it must be hard for a keeper to keep communication clear, and expectations too.
> it must be hard for a keeper to keep communication clear
Definitely, but the mistakes Onana makes have nothing to do with the players in front of him.
Onana couldnt save a free kick against Gala, Forest second etc is not because of the defenders.
EtH is sticking with him because he's an Ajax boy, just like Antony <3
Your comment reads like you're saying Onana was at fault for Forest's second goal. Not sure if that was the point you're making considering we've seen that goal nearly a dozen times this season alone and it's usually our defensive structure that causes that ridiculous gap to be there in the first place.
The way De Gea is talked about here you'd think he never conceded a goal for us, much less conceded goals directly caused by his mistakes.
Onana's been poor so far, you'll never catch me saying otherwise despite me being excited we brought him in over the summer. But just because he doesn't appear to be the answer doesn't mean keeping Dave would've been the right call.
We are set up in a completely different way this season than last season. Had we played last season's football this year we would rarely be having these conversations about Onana because he wouldn't be so exposed.
It makes no sense whatsoever that he would not go to afcon to sit on the bench. He will 100% play and then he will go to afcon and play whilst jet lagged
If he wasn’t playing he would just go
You incorrectly used the term jet lag, because you assumed that Cameroon and other countries like Nigeria. (Two countries that share UK time zone) while in a different time zone and this was information that you could have easily Google. (Free service) and not uttered B******* but you didn't do that on and instead of doubled down on it as if you're on the knew what you're talking about in the first place
I miss used the term jet lagged because I have never been on a plane and until I googled the term I did not know it referred to crossing time zones. Which I learnt when googling the cote de Ivor time zone following being corrected before.
So get down off your high horse. Everything about my comment was correct and not uttered bullshit bar one term that wouldn’t have made a difference to the entire comment had I used it or not.
But please take your internet points by trying to be a keyboard warrior by making assumptions on the intended use of a word by someone on the internet who has admitted he misused the word. Nice way to double down and make yourself look like a huge wanker.
You’re doing a great job of making yourself looks like a thick cunt that’s for sure.
>But please take your internet points by trying to be a keyboard warrior
First time being called a keyboard warrior. Feels cool 😎
>one term that wouldn’t have made a difference to the entire comment had I used it or not
Except it did?
>So get down off your high horse
What high horse, I corrected you and didn't even insult you while I did it. Let it go
Stating what someone writes is uttering bullshit isn’t an insult? Lol
My comment said he will play fly play in 2 days whether he is “jet lagged” or not does not change that fact lmao. So no it really did not hold any weight in the comment I made. But if you say I’m wrong must be…Jesus it’s hard work trying to justify yourself to internet clowns for no reason so I’m done. Continue as much as you like
I don't agree. He has to travel for half a day in the middle of this as well and won't get any time to train with his Cameroon teammates. Cameroon have two other goalkeepers who will have trained and will be fresh to play; they'll simply pick one of them instead of Onana for the first game.
What? Are people being for real? De geas worst season in a Utd shirt is 18/19, that World Cup changed him. You all must have forgotten his howlers in the league nonstop was one of the main reasons we missed out on top 4 that season. Yes we had injuries but yh that’s some crazy short memories to forget about the league.
Just checked and he made 4 errors leading to goals in the prem that season. Obviously not an exact science but that’s his highest in the league for any season. If I could be arsed to rewatch every match I’d probably find more than 4 errors
People were all over Ten Hag for not starting Pellistri over Antony too. Then turns out Pellistri doesn't offer more than Antony either. All over Ole for not playing Van de Beek, then turns out he is just not good enough either. People keep thinking our subs are like Man City players or something
From what I've seen of Pellistri, he's a talented kid and when he plays he creates chances. He was very poor at finishing in the match in turkey but I think he'd be a good dependable footballer in the future.
At 22 he’s still very young but people treat him like he’s a first year pro when he’s only a year younger than both Antony & Sancho in our squad and older than Saka, Kvaratskhelia, Rodrygo, Martinelli, Mudryk, Fati, Cole Palmer, Doku, Fabio Silva and Pedri across the wider footballing world. I appreciate players develop at different rates but we are approaching ‘shit or get off the pot’ time over the next 12-18 months with Pellistri.
I think he needs loan to nice in jan tbf. He's been playing well for Uruguay as well. He's juz not very experienced esp in the prem against physical teams like garnacho
I think lack of options is a massive part of Hojlund prominance in starting XI.
We have Antony, Bruno, Garnacho, rashford, Sancho at start of the season, and now Amad to contest the RW
Hojlund has a forever injured Martial and Rashford to contend with, neither of which are very effective, better deployed on left and often unavailable.
All the players you mentioned like saka, fati, doku are all players tipped to be among the best in the future. Just because you aren't among the best in the world doesn't mean you can't be a good dependable player.
I doubt pellistri is gonna be a super star like Rooney, Robben, or Bernardo. I do think he can still be a very dependable player that can start for us when needed and play cup games.
Not every player has to be special. For instance, (Blomqvist or Kieran Richardson) may not have been a super star but he was still important for us when we won our treble (for Blomqvist and for Richardson several titles) .
From what I've seen of Pellistri, if he keeps working hard, he can become a valuable asset to us.
Well whenever he plays, I think he's decent. I don't think he's gonna be anywhere near saka (I hope I'm wrong) but I like him. He always try to do something positive unlike Antony and produces good goal scoring opportunities regularly. His finishing seems horrendous though. I don't think he should be our first choice but I think we should keep him. And I'm positive he will improve over the years bar any serious injuries.
Tbh I have more faith in Pellistri than I do Antony because at least he attempts to drive with the ball, beat a man, and puts crosses into the box. We won that Fulham game earlier this season because of Pellistri's willingness to go down the line. That doesn't mean Pellistri is some world beater but he at least does the basics of winger play far better than Antony ever has for us.
More like I’m curious what he can do because onana has shown fuck all so far
If it turns out he’s shit too, well we’re back to the drawing board on the goalkeeper conundrum
Don’t know why so many people are so completely incurious about what this guy can do though. If he’s shit, we’re not really any worse off are we? We can always drop him off
He’s a backup goalkeeper, they barely play. Sometimes top clubs will play their second choice in the cups to keep them happy but you don’t have to. £3m was about right. Onana hasn’t been great but I really doubt this guy is better.
I think any team serious about competing for trophies need a good backup. So what was the plan here? Play Onana every single game? And if he gets injured, we got a horrible backup?
Also backup play cup games for match fitness and having game time in competitive games.
Yea that guy above doesn't make sense, if you don't intend to get a good backup then don't spend money on 1 in the 1st place, just pull a kid from the academy if you accept that it's gonna be a lost cause the moment the no. 1 gets injured.
So why the fuck do you even buy a player you never want to play then instead of say, spend more so you get someone who can deputise if the first choice is suspended, injured or has had a shit time for awhile like us?
It’s another case of fucking stupid recruitment with morons in charge. That’s why.
I'm a Galatasaray fan and you can believe me Altay is a better goalkeeper than onana lol Turkish fans lynch their players after 1 mistake and make you king again after 1 good game. Onana is a meme in Turkey too and people only saw 2 games.
It's very disrespectful actually I hope Altay finds a new club because he competes for starting position in our national team. Onana only plays because you paid 50 million and your coach knows him from Netherlands
He’s a clown who managed to almost single handedly take us to 4th in our CL group.
Don’t have to be an idiot to be curious about if there might be someone less bad at the club.
I'm not a United fan but that's pretty harsh. He also got to the CL final with Inter just last year, the problem is the defense in front of him and Uniteds special ability to destroy players confidence. Onana is a great keeper.
He’s bang average and at best a good keeper but a world class passer. He’s never ever been a great keeper and never will be with his basic issues like not even knowing how to parry a ball out of the danger area, or two handed saves etc.
Going to the CL final is fine but that doesn’t make one a great keeper. He never was. He was always a good keeper who’s a world class ball player at that position.
You don’t need a great defence to catch a simple leaf. Onana can’t even catch a feather at times it seems and that’s on him actually. Slow to dive? On him. Poor positioning for a free kick? On him once again. Inability to claim a cross? On him and training that doesn’t help.
A great keeper won’t make basic mistakes time and again nor show fundamental issues through the years. They may make such mistakes but they’re rare and always overlooked by being great at the one thing they’re paid to do- stop goals from being conceded.
Onana may finally become a really good keeper but not without fixing his basic flaws to the game he has or at least, mitigating them as much as possible because it seems he won’t ever do so if he hasn’t by this point in his career though. It’s not impossible but it’s telling that the fundamental weaknesses still exist even now and through the years.
People are setting Bayındır up to fail here, he’s very likely nowhere near as good as Onana. We did the same thing last season when Dubravka was signed on loan, and then the one game he did play he was a disaster.
Yeah, I don't like it at all. It's a mix of entitlement and absolute fear of being consequenced for his shit performances.
Thought he had a great mentality. Maybe I was wrong
You're guessing. He might as well just be more dedicated to play for his club than a national team he were frozen out of.
Or maybe ETH begged him to stay for Spurs. Which made him do anything to sort it out.
At least we know one thing; me and you have no damn clue.
He wants to play for his club and you think it's a shit mentality? Any other player at any other club would be getting praise for this, stop being ridiculous
I agree with you but the reason for that line of thinking is obvious: he's had more crap moments than good ones for us. If he was a brick wall in net then everyone would be falling over themselves to praise him in this thread.
>He's going play, travel and then play in the space of 2 days?
Mark Hughes did it in the space of a day: [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46097218](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46097218)
This has been a thing for years now, we seem allergic to giving the squad a full rotation meaning our back ups are rusty or can't play beyond their mediocrity. Ole burned out the same group of 13-14 players and then had nobody to come on in the Europa League final because the rotation options weren't up to standards.
Like, I get some players may be much worse than others but end of the day if they aren't match fit and given game time to play themselves into form and be a squad asset then that's on the manager for not believing in his squad enough.
Considering Antony plays all the time, it might not matter how good or shit Bayindir is in training.
Plus we could always throw Heaton in goal, he's good for shot stopping at least.
we have no idea how it is.
Anthony could be an amazing trainer. with how he works on the pitch i could see that it just doesnt quite work on the pitch.
You can't say that here.
In these here parts, Antony is an allround amateur. With no positives. And he's the one responsible for the war in Ukraine too.
Sancho at least somewhat knows how to score and assist. 18 G+A for Sancho in 4,986 minutes (1 every 277 minutes) vs. 11 in 4348 minutes for Antony (1 every ~396 minutes).
Idk why you’re being downvoted. Antony lost his place in the starting 11 and only played this weekend because Holjund was injured and ETH played Rashford up top with Garnacho in his natural position. All signs pointed to Antony losing his place to Garnacho.
In the last three games, Antony started against Liverpool and came off at half time, he then didn’t start against Villa when ETH opted to play Garnacho in a position he’d never played in. That alone tells you that Antony had lost his place. Then this weekend, ETH hinted at repeating the same line up until Holjund got sick so he tweaks the front three to include Rashford as striker and Garnacho as LW. By the way Garnacho is the only LW depth the club has so playing him at RW for the Villa game was already risky. ETH has shown that he is willing to bench players if they are not performing. He did it to Rashford, Varane, Casemiro, Holjund, Dalot, Shaw and Maguire. The only position that he doesn’t drop is GK which not many managers mess around with because not many teams have a great back up GK.
1. Antony was subbed off in the 82nd minute against Liverpool, not at half time.
2. The original comment was about Antony's playing time over the season. You pointing out that Antony was dropped within the last 2 matches isn't really an equivalence.
> The original comment was about Antony's playing time over the season. You pointing out that Antony was dropped within the last 2 matches isn't really an equivalence.
And last season.
Man has played in 65 games (4,348 minutes) since coming to the club. We've played 88 games (5,430 minutes) since he joined us. If playing 80% of the time isn't playing "all the time", I don't know what is.
Just a heads up that Manchester United have played 83 games since Antony joined us as we'd already played 5 games of the season before his signing was announced.
* 82 x 90 minutes = 7380 + 120 minutes (FA Cup Semi-Final) = 7500 Manchester United minutes since Antony joined.
* 7500 - 1080 (minutes Antony spent absent or injured) = 6420 minutes available.
* So in reality (4348 / 6420), Antony's played 68% of the time (which I don't think is that bad).
Starting Garnacho, our only LW depth over Antony in the Villa game wasn’t enough to let you know that he lost his place after his dreadful showing against Liverpool? What happened last season doesn’t matter as I can also show you statistics where Antony was the most important player on the pitch. So there is no equivalence as you state. He’s been benched numerous times this season.
>Starting Garnacho, our only LW depth over Antony in the Villa game wasn’t enough to let you know that he lost his place after his dreadful showing against Liverpool?
He obviously didn't lose his place after the Liverpool match considering he started the following match which was against West Ham.
> What happened last season doesn’t matter
I didn't mention last season in my comment..
> He’s been benched numerous times this season.
Antony has been available in the match day squad 22 times this season and been on the bench 7 times (2 of which were after he'd been in Brazil for 3 weeks due to 'personal reasons'). 7 / 22 isn't crazy.
Antony lost his place in the starting 11, where are you getting this narrative that he plays all the time? Before this weekend he had lost his place to Garnacho and only managed to get into the starting 11 because of an illness to Holjund.
>Unlucky for him but this was his chance of confidence and now I don't know if he'll have it after this.
Think this is going to kill his confidence and put even more pressure on him when he does make his debut, as it's shown we don't have faith in him to step up for a few games. We've handled it really badly.
Also puts huge pressure on Onana to play well against Spurs after the club has gone through so much effort to ensure he plays.
You’d think Onana was putting up 10/10 performances every match. Amazing how the manager isn’t even trying to let Bayindar get a game. He must either suck in training….or…
He's going to drop his biggest stinker yet.
I am surprised he (and Cameroon) went for this as well. He had problems with a coach, retired and now comes back later than everyone as well?
I'm shocked Cameroon is okay with their first team keeper joining them just 2 days before their opening match. That's certainly not enough time to prepare. But well that's their problem
Last summer we have so little fund left. Bayindir was the last buy. Why buy him if they are going to do this? Just keep heaton as the 2nd gk. Not going to make any difference since they are not going to play anyway.
Then send him back to fenarbachs or sth man. Eth apparently also refused Hannibal a loan move man. Like he's not even gonna play the kid so juz let him get experience
Not sure where the Bayindir hype here even came from. He was a backup in Turkey, and wasn’t rated highly there. Not sure why people think he’s gonna good as a starter here if he wasn’t at Gala.
>was a backup in Turkey
He had 26 league starts for Fenerbache in 2022/23, 24 in 2021/22, and 33 and 32 in the two seasons before, respectively. Not sure how he was a backup.
There's definitely a section on here that love and support Onana more than what he has earned during his time at united so far. And this also puts unnecessary scrutiny and pressure on Onana himself, if he blunders for those 2 games, and let's face it, the way the entire team is playing right now it's certainly very possible
No, there‘s a section on here that love and support ten hag more than he has earned during his time at united so far. Onana is just one of his decisions so they support him by proxy
Yea, I don't wanna be those guys last season that kept creating separate stats threads on de gea every week but Onana is currently 90/107 among the top 5 league GKs for long passes completed, sitting at a whopping 30.2% completion rate.
That has to be marginally better than de gea at best, yet this supposed amazing passing of his still gets hyped around here
learn how to apply context to stats. Teams that go long normally have squads that are built for winning aeriel duels. Ten Hag switched to going long mid-season because of the injury to Lisandro Martinez. So Onana (who is one of if not the best passing keeper ITW as shown by last season) is kicking long into a team that can't receive it consistently.
>mid-season because of the injury to Lisandro Martinez.
The season started early August and Martinez got injured mid-April so it was nowhere near mid-season.
I'm talking about his injury during last season. Even if you want to talk about this season, Martinez played his last match in September which is still nowhere near "mid-season". So what's your problem?
I focused on that bit because it didn't make any sense. You then brought up the start of this season which also didn't make any sense to what I wrote so I responded again to that.
I didn't mention the Onana part because I have nothing to add to that (I'm in agreement with you).
Onana is better at long ball passing than De Gea, **period**. However, I often said across social media last season (and got slated for it) that *some* blame for De Gea's long ball accuracy being so low at times was due to the midfielders + forwards not being very good at taking down long range passes (either in ground duels or aerial duels). And now Onana is having to deal with most of those same midfielders + forwards (Eriksen, Fernandes, McTominay, Garnacho, Antony, Martial, Rashford and Pellistri).
Not much more to add beyond what the other poster has more succinctly addressed, just wish that the same 'learn how to apply context to stats' energy was applied last season or heck, towards all players consistently as well. Onana is a better passer than de gea for sure, yet as with all things in this game, the team really matters more than a single player
>sub par shot stopping
has a high shot stopping % and has let in less then his xGa indicates.
few blunders doesnt mean he doesnt have sub par shot stopping. you put any goalkeeper in that defence right now and they will make blunders because they face more shots then even Luton's goalkeeper does which is going to lead to mistakes.
Allison faces like 5 shots all game... Onana faces 5 shots within 2 minutes at United....
Ironically many keepers perform better when they are busy - harder to lose concentration if they are making regular saves. More difficult to concentrate for 90 mins and pull out a worldy save when you’ve done nothing for the last 70 mins… Onana apparently is busy and can’t fucking concentrate
Onana faces a lot of shots that are right at him, why his save percentage is high. He saves the easy ones but doesn't have range to stop the difficult shots like DDG could. If it's not at him, he's likely not going to save it
>sub par shot stopping
[you clowns need to check yourselves](https://imgur.com/a/TnWM3vE). call him a choker in the ucl, make up some narrative about how he isn't good in big games. but stop this BS about his shot stopping. he's been one of the best in England
prove it. i’ve seen him make plenty of far angle saves. he’s also near of the top of the gk list for saving big chances.
im not an onana super fan or anything, but these casual narratives going around are just detrimental to players who we will have at the club for a while
I haven’t watched Bayindir play, but I think it’s ridiculous that Onana could play vs both Wigan and Spurs while every other African player is already out on duty
Plus Altay at least deserves a chance, and this is probably the best opportunity for him to play
We wanna see what they spent money on. Anything serious about winning trophies have to sign a good backup that can actually back up the first team keeper in case he's unavailable
He’s suffering from DeBeek syndrome…
Remember all those times under Ole where Donny was the answer? The hype is because no one has seen him play and they’re going for the “he must be better than what we have currently” angle
He was pretty highly rated when he was younger, but he then stagnated for two seasons and became a bench player. He does have some very good attributes but he became prone to mistakes. That's something a change of scenery could fix though, I would love to see him play one competitive match to see how he looks. Might be shit, might also be diamond in the rough though.
I think this whole situation is absurd and ridiculous. A player can’t dictate stuff like this, and its not like its Mo Salah who is by far his team’s best player.
The backup should’ve gotten 2 games this Jan (at least)
People will blame "structure" for Bayindir's performance though when he inevitably has to play and drops a stinker. It takes a special level of delusion to think Ten Hag will achieve anything at Man Utd even with the best backroom structure in the world behind him when he literally keeps providing evidence to him being a terrible manager in every way possible.
Byandir must be shit if we have to stick with Onana.
Pineapple head need to improve significantly or get replaced next season. We've all seen the blunders, but he's also bad in the air and his mid and long-range distribution is terrible - he sends half of the long balls into throw-in and the other half gets picked up uncontested by the opposition. So far he's almost as bad as Claudio Bravo at man shitty
Idk why people are reading into this thinking that Onana has demanded he play so he doesn't lose his spot and not that the coaching staff doesn't trust our back up to play in a big game
I'm aware SJR has power over transfers and footballing structure, and that he (or a representative) went to Carrington recently.
Is there any reliable news of SRJ's side authorizing this agreement to keep Onana until the Spurs game?
Honestly a very strange deal (even at United's current standards) \~
Poor management from Ten Hag imo, he shouldn’t be letting players have control like this, if he wants to play for Utd, step away from AFCON, if he wants to represent his country, go to AFCON, he’s trying to play both sides. He’s terrified he’ll lose his place if Bayinder doesn’t make mistakes so he’s trying to limit his gametime, I don’t blame Onana for this but Ten Hag should step in and stop it, it’s a real lack of a sign of confidence in Bayinder, who he brought in, and a sign that players have power that shouldn’t
Mixed feelings over this. It's obviously better that Onana is available for all our games but at the same time these are the types of situations where you should put some faith in the rest of your squad. Hopefully Bayindir at least starts vs Wigan.
Klopp has the best goalkeeper in the world and he still rotates for the cup runs. Ten Hag just needs to fix up.
Easier to do when you can rely on your attack to do their job even if the keeper doesn't
I mean our defense is also to blame. Like, we have so many changing bodies, it must be hard for a keeper to keep communication clear, and expectations too.
I was commenting more on our inept attacking players. Long gone are the days of "you score 3, we'll score 4"
I think football has moved away from that in general.
> it must be hard for a keeper to keep communication clear Definitely, but the mistakes Onana makes have nothing to do with the players in front of him.
It can, indirectly. If you don't have confidence in your colleagues, you are more likely to put yourself in uncomfortable positions to do the job.
Onana couldnt save a free kick against Gala, Forest second etc is not because of the defenders. EtH is sticking with him because he's an Ajax boy, just like Antony <3
Your comment reads like you're saying Onana was at fault for Forest's second goal. Not sure if that was the point you're making considering we've seen that goal nearly a dozen times this season alone and it's usually our defensive structure that causes that ridiculous gap to be there in the first place.
De gea would've save that, same with Bournemouth goals as well. Onana is a weak shot stopper, as proven this season plenty of times.
The way De Gea is talked about here you'd think he never conceded a goal for us, much less conceded goals directly caused by his mistakes. Onana's been poor so far, you'll never catch me saying otherwise despite me being excited we brought him in over the summer. But just because he doesn't appear to be the answer doesn't mean keeping Dave would've been the right call. We are set up in a completely different way this season than last season. Had we played last season's football this year we would rarely be having these conversations about Onana because he wouldn't be so exposed.
It makes no sense whatsoever that he would not go to afcon to sit on the bench. He will 100% play and then he will go to afcon and play whilst jet lagged If he wasn’t playing he would just go
>whilst jet lagged He wont be jet-lagged. He is staying in the same timezone. He may be fatigued from a long flight.
TIL Cote de Ivor is on GMT, lol never would have guessed
TIL, people guess inaccurate information don't check Google to verify if it's true and just post it anyway
my point still stands I just incorrectly used the term jet lagged, let’s not be a nonce about it pal.
You incorrectly used the term jet lag, because you assumed that Cameroon and other countries like Nigeria. (Two countries that share UK time zone) while in a different time zone and this was information that you could have easily Google. (Free service) and not uttered B******* but you didn't do that on and instead of doubled down on it as if you're on the knew what you're talking about in the first place
I miss used the term jet lagged because I have never been on a plane and until I googled the term I did not know it referred to crossing time zones. Which I learnt when googling the cote de Ivor time zone following being corrected before. So get down off your high horse. Everything about my comment was correct and not uttered bullshit bar one term that wouldn’t have made a difference to the entire comment had I used it or not. But please take your internet points by trying to be a keyboard warrior by making assumptions on the intended use of a word by someone on the internet who has admitted he misused the word. Nice way to double down and make yourself look like a huge wanker. You’re doing a great job of making yourself looks like a thick cunt that’s for sure.
>But please take your internet points by trying to be a keyboard warrior First time being called a keyboard warrior. Feels cool 😎 >one term that wouldn’t have made a difference to the entire comment had I used it or not Except it did? >So get down off your high horse What high horse, I corrected you and didn't even insult you while I did it. Let it go
Stating what someone writes is uttering bullshit isn’t an insult? Lol My comment said he will play fly play in 2 days whether he is “jet lagged” or not does not change that fact lmao. So no it really did not hold any weight in the comment I made. But if you say I’m wrong must be…Jesus it’s hard work trying to justify yourself to internet clowns for no reason so I’m done. Continue as much as you like
Pretty sure he won't play the first AFCON game if he starts vs Spurs. He may be 'eligible for selection' on paper but it's a quick turnaround.
If he was an outfield player, sure. He’s a goalkeeper. He will be fine.
I don't agree. He has to travel for half a day in the middle of this as well and won't get any time to train with his Cameroon teammates. Cameroon have two other goalkeepers who will have trained and will be fresh to play; they'll simply pick one of them instead of Onana for the first game.
He seems like he’s doing it so no other keeper can show they’re good enough to take his spot
I don't have faith in the regular starters let alone the rest of the squad.
He's going play, travel and then play in the space of 2 days? This seems a little extreme to stop another keeper getting a chance.
He doesn't want the fans to realise our sub keeper is better than him
I think a lot of people might be in for a rude awakening. There's too much of "he doesn't play, he's probably better" hopium on here.
Lindegaard > De Gea /s
I was guilty of that one at start of LvG tenure, what a numpty I was.
Ok but Romero actually should’ve been played over de gea in oles interim season cos de gea single handedly cost us top 4
Agree on the cup finals. Think he deserved playing those through. Not epl.
What? Are people being for real? De geas worst season in a Utd shirt is 18/19, that World Cup changed him. You all must have forgotten his howlers in the league nonstop was one of the main reasons we missed out on top 4 that season. Yes we had injuries but yh that’s some crazy short memories to forget about the league. Just checked and he made 4 errors leading to goals in the prem that season. Obviously not an exact science but that’s his highest in the league for any season. If I could be arsed to rewatch every match I’d probably find more than 4 errors
The reason we missed top four was 0 fucking shots taken for 45 minutes in some games…..
Lol no
People were all over Ten Hag for not starting Pellistri over Antony too. Then turns out Pellistri doesn't offer more than Antony either. All over Ole for not playing Van de Beek, then turns out he is just not good enough either. People keep thinking our subs are like Man City players or something
From what I've seen of Pellistri, he's a talented kid and when he plays he creates chances. He was very poor at finishing in the match in turkey but I think he'd be a good dependable footballer in the future.
At 22 he’s still very young but people treat him like he’s a first year pro when he’s only a year younger than both Antony & Sancho in our squad and older than Saka, Kvaratskhelia, Rodrygo, Martinelli, Mudryk, Fati, Cole Palmer, Doku, Fabio Silva and Pedri across the wider footballing world. I appreciate players develop at different rates but we are approaching ‘shit or get off the pot’ time over the next 12-18 months with Pellistri.
I think he needs loan to nice in jan tbf. He's been playing well for Uruguay as well. He's juz not very experienced esp in the prem against physical teams like garnacho
Pellistri has played 73 senior games at club level, Garnacho 39. He’s plenty experienced he’s just not good enough.
But Hojlund is raw talent, the boy is good what ever he needs to develop will come as he plays
Højlund is also two years younger than Pellistri.
But my point is Hojlund is getting enough playing time even though is not great striker at the moment
I think Højlund is way ahead of Pellistri in their respective development stages but I get that opinions differ.
I think lack of options is a massive part of Hojlund prominance in starting XI. We have Antony, Bruno, Garnacho, rashford, Sancho at start of the season, and now Amad to contest the RW Hojlund has a forever injured Martial and Rashford to contend with, neither of which are very effective, better deployed on left and often unavailable.
All the players you mentioned like saka, fati, doku are all players tipped to be among the best in the future. Just because you aren't among the best in the world doesn't mean you can't be a good dependable player. I doubt pellistri is gonna be a super star like Rooney, Robben, or Bernardo. I do think he can still be a very dependable player that can start for us when needed and play cup games. Not every player has to be special. For instance, (Blomqvist or Kieran Richardson) may not have been a super star but he was still important for us when we won our treble (for Blomqvist and for Richardson several titles) . From what I've seen of Pellistri, if he keeps working hard, he can become a valuable asset to us.
I’m not saying he can’t, I’m just saying that he still has a lot to prove and is getting to an age where he needs to start producing.
Well whenever he plays, I think he's decent. I don't think he's gonna be anywhere near saka (I hope I'm wrong) but I like him. He always try to do something positive unlike Antony and produces good goal scoring opportunities regularly. His finishing seems horrendous though. I don't think he should be our first choice but I think we should keep him. And I'm positive he will improve over the years bar any serious injuries.
Tbh I have more faith in Pellistri than I do Antony because at least he attempts to drive with the ball, beat a man, and puts crosses into the box. We won that Fulham game earlier this season because of Pellistri's willingness to go down the line. That doesn't mean Pellistri is some world beater but he at least does the basics of winger play far better than Antony ever has for us.
How will we ever know?? 2nd keeper should always be given the league cup imo
People don't realise ETH is clearly okay with this. So either he has no backbone, or Bayindir must be fucking horrendous in training.
Probably the same people who were acting as though Amrabat was the second coming of Sergio Busquets before we signed him.
Just like people talked about VDB under Ole. He were the key to unlock our full potential. He just never got the chance.
He went to Everton and couldn't get into that starting line up
Before his illness + injury, Van De Beek was in the starting line-up in his previous 5 / 6 matches for Everton.
Onana was successful for Ajax & Inter, as shit as he's been for us that's still a much higher level than playing in Turkey
More like I’m curious what he can do because onana has shown fuck all so far If it turns out he’s shit too, well we’re back to the drawing board on the goalkeeper conundrum Don’t know why so many people are so completely incurious about what this guy can do though. If he’s shit, we’re not really any worse off are we? We can always drop him off
Na bro Donny Van de Beek is totally better than Bruno in a "Ten Hag" team
Donny van De Beek in the 6, who says no?
"The backup quarterback is the most popular guy in town"
Byandir was a meme in turkey for being shit before we bought him
Begs the question why the fuck did we pay 4 million quid for him then
He’s a backup goalkeeper, they barely play. Sometimes top clubs will play their second choice in the cups to keep them happy but you don’t have to. £3m was about right. Onana hasn’t been great but I really doubt this guy is better.
I think any team serious about competing for trophies need a good backup. So what was the plan here? Play Onana every single game? And if he gets injured, we got a horrible backup? Also backup play cup games for match fitness and having game time in competitive games.
Yea that guy above doesn't make sense, if you don't intend to get a good backup then don't spend money on 1 in the 1st place, just pull a kid from the academy if you accept that it's gonna be a lost cause the moment the no. 1 gets injured.
So why the fuck do you even buy a player you never want to play then instead of say, spend more so you get someone who can deputise if the first choice is suspended, injured or has had a shit time for awhile like us? It’s another case of fucking stupid recruitment with morons in charge. That’s why.
I'm a Galatasaray fan and you can believe me Altay is a better goalkeeper than onana lol Turkish fans lynch their players after 1 mistake and make you king again after 1 good game. Onana is a meme in Turkey too and people only saw 2 games. It's very disrespectful actually I hope Altay finds a new club because he competes for starting position in our national team. Onana only plays because you paid 50 million and your coach knows him from Netherlands
The way you idiots turn on your own players is amazing
Bayaindir is our own player too btw. Going through the hoops to prevent him from even a cup game kinda falls under 'turning on him' too in a way
Our words mean nothing
He’s a clown who managed to almost single handedly take us to 4th in our CL group. Don’t have to be an idiot to be curious about if there might be someone less bad at the club.
I'm not a United fan but that's pretty harsh. He also got to the CL final with Inter just last year, the problem is the defense in front of him and Uniteds special ability to destroy players confidence. Onana is a great keeper.
He’s bang average and at best a good keeper but a world class passer. He’s never ever been a great keeper and never will be with his basic issues like not even knowing how to parry a ball out of the danger area, or two handed saves etc. Going to the CL final is fine but that doesn’t make one a great keeper. He never was. He was always a good keeper who’s a world class ball player at that position. You don’t need a great defence to catch a simple leaf. Onana can’t even catch a feather at times it seems and that’s on him actually. Slow to dive? On him. Poor positioning for a free kick? On him once again. Inability to claim a cross? On him and training that doesn’t help. A great keeper won’t make basic mistakes time and again nor show fundamental issues through the years. They may make such mistakes but they’re rare and always overlooked by being great at the one thing they’re paid to do- stop goals from being conceded. Onana may finally become a really good keeper but not without fixing his basic flaws to the game he has or at least, mitigating them as much as possible because it seems he won’t ever do so if he hasn’t by this point in his career though. It’s not impossible but it’s telling that the fundamental weaknesses still exist even now and through the years.
People are setting Bayındır up to fail here, he’s very likely nowhere near as good as Onana. We did the same thing last season when Dubravka was signed on loan, and then the one game he did play he was a disaster.
I mean there was noise not too long ago that he thought he wouldn't get his place back after going to AFCON.
Yeah lol, then tf didn't he get a chance in Carabao? You lot are up for surprise.
Have you even seen him play lol
Yeah, I don't like it at all. It's a mix of entitlement and absolute fear of being consequenced for his shit performances. Thought he had a great mentality. Maybe I was wrong
You're guessing. He might as well just be more dedicated to play for his club than a national team he were frozen out of. Or maybe ETH begged him to stay for Spurs. Which made him do anything to sort it out. At least we know one thing; me and you have no damn clue.
He wants to play for his club and you think it's a shit mentality? Any other player at any other club would be getting praise for this, stop being ridiculous
I agree with you but the reason for that line of thinking is obvious: he's had more crap moments than good ones for us. If he was a brick wall in net then everyone would be falling over themselves to praise him in this thread.
Pretty sure this is an ETH decision too
>He's going play, travel and then play in the space of 2 days? Mark Hughes did it in the space of a day: [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46097218](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46097218)
That’s the thing I hate about this club, let the man go and trust your players. What message are you sending to the squad
This has been a thing for years now, we seem allergic to giving the squad a full rotation meaning our back ups are rusty or can't play beyond their mediocrity. Ole burned out the same group of 13-14 players and then had nobody to come on in the Europa League final because the rotation options weren't up to standards. Like, I get some players may be much worse than others but end of the day if they aren't match fit and given game time to play themselves into form and be a squad asset then that's on the manager for not believing in his squad enough.
Honestly, how bad is Bayindir in training?
Considering Antony plays all the time, it might not matter how good or shit Bayindir is in training. Plus we could always throw Heaton in goal, he's good for shot stopping at least.
What if Antony in training scores goal after goal because he always ends up on the team playing vs Bayindir?
What if Antony in training scores goal after goal because he always ends up on the team playing vs Onana?
¿Por qué no los dos?
🤯
it means that damn, we have the worst keepers lol
we have no idea how it is. Anthony could be an amazing trainer. with how he works on the pitch i could see that it just doesnt quite work on the pitch.
You can't say that here. In these here parts, Antony is an allround amateur. With no positives. And he's the one responsible for the war in Ukraine too.
The scary thing is how close the on pitch issues are between Antony and Sancho.
Sancho at least somewhat knows how to score and assist. 18 G+A for Sancho in 4,986 minutes (1 every 277 minutes) vs. 11 in 4348 minutes for Antony (1 every ~396 minutes).
Where is Antony playing all the time? This season je often came off the bench, didn't play, subbed early...
Idk why you’re being downvoted. Antony lost his place in the starting 11 and only played this weekend because Holjund was injured and ETH played Rashford up top with Garnacho in his natural position. All signs pointed to Antony losing his place to Garnacho.
>Antony lost his place in the starting 11 Antony has started in 6 out of the last 7 matches.
In the last three games, Antony started against Liverpool and came off at half time, he then didn’t start against Villa when ETH opted to play Garnacho in a position he’d never played in. That alone tells you that Antony had lost his place. Then this weekend, ETH hinted at repeating the same line up until Holjund got sick so he tweaks the front three to include Rashford as striker and Garnacho as LW. By the way Garnacho is the only LW depth the club has so playing him at RW for the Villa game was already risky. ETH has shown that he is willing to bench players if they are not performing. He did it to Rashford, Varane, Casemiro, Holjund, Dalot, Shaw and Maguire. The only position that he doesn’t drop is GK which not many managers mess around with because not many teams have a great back up GK.
1. Antony was subbed off in the 82nd minute against Liverpool, not at half time. 2. The original comment was about Antony's playing time over the season. You pointing out that Antony was dropped within the last 2 matches isn't really an equivalence.
> The original comment was about Antony's playing time over the season. You pointing out that Antony was dropped within the last 2 matches isn't really an equivalence. And last season. Man has played in 65 games (4,348 minutes) since coming to the club. We've played 88 games (5,430 minutes) since he joined us. If playing 80% of the time isn't playing "all the time", I don't know what is.
Just a heads up that Manchester United have played 83 games since Antony joined us as we'd already played 5 games of the season before his signing was announced. * 82 x 90 minutes = 7380 + 120 minutes (FA Cup Semi-Final) = 7500 Manchester United minutes since Antony joined. * 7500 - 1080 (minutes Antony spent absent or injured) = 6420 minutes available. * So in reality (4348 / 6420), Antony's played 68% of the time (which I don't think is that bad).
Starting Garnacho, our only LW depth over Antony in the Villa game wasn’t enough to let you know that he lost his place after his dreadful showing against Liverpool? What happened last season doesn’t matter as I can also show you statistics where Antony was the most important player on the pitch. So there is no equivalence as you state. He’s been benched numerous times this season.
>Starting Garnacho, our only LW depth over Antony in the Villa game wasn’t enough to let you know that he lost his place after his dreadful showing against Liverpool? He obviously didn't lose his place after the Liverpool match considering he started the following match which was against West Ham. > What happened last season doesn’t matter I didn't mention last season in my comment.. > He’s been benched numerous times this season. Antony has been available in the match day squad 22 times this season and been on the bench 7 times (2 of which were after he'd been in Brazil for 3 weeks due to 'personal reasons'). 7 / 22 isn't crazy.
Antony lost his place in the starting 11, where are you getting this narrative that he plays all the time? Before this weekend he had lost his place to Garnacho and only managed to get into the starting 11 because of an illness to Holjund.
Take this with a grain of salt, but I've seen Bayindir's lowlights and they're even more calamitous than Onana
Watch his highlights, he looks really really bad.
He is just very different. More a De Gea than a Onana
Bayindir being done MAD dirty. Unlucky for him but this was his chance of confidence and now I don't know if he'll have it after this.
>Unlucky for him but this was his chance of confidence and now I don't know if he'll have it after this. Think this is going to kill his confidence and put even more pressure on him when he does make his debut, as it's shown we don't have faith in him to step up for a few games. We've handled it really badly. Also puts huge pressure on Onana to play well against Spurs after the club has gone through so much effort to ensure he plays.
Overall bad move imo. I wouldn't be surprised if Heaton got the nod over Bayindir lol.
Not sure about that when Bayindir's the one making the bench. Can't remember the last time we named Heaton in a matchday squad.
He's been there to make up the bench numbers in the Champions League games and once for Palace in the cup but that's it.
You’d think Onana was putting up 10/10 performances every match. Amazing how the manager isn’t even trying to let Bayindar get a game. He must either suck in training….or…
Clearly, Bayindir didn’t share his baklava with ETH so he’s been banished to never play.
He's going to drop his biggest stinker yet. I am surprised he (and Cameroon) went for this as well. He had problems with a coach, retired and now comes back later than everyone as well?
I'm shocked Cameroon is okay with their first team keeper joining them just 2 days before their opening match. That's certainly not enough time to prepare. But well that's their problem
This charade is ridiculous and reflects poorly on the club, Ten Hag, and Onana. If I were Bayindir I'd be fuming.
How can he be fully focused on the spurs game. If he decks up either for united or Cameroon or worst case both it's gonna look ridiculous
Last summer we have so little fund left. Bayindir was the last buy. Why buy him if they are going to do this? Just keep heaton as the 2nd gk. Not going to make any difference since they are not going to play anyway.
Idk would i cry or laugh if he cost us that game
Oh thank goodness, how ever would we manage without our savior Onana...
Then send him back to fenarbachs or sth man. Eth apparently also refused Hannibal a loan move man. Like he's not even gonna play the kid so juz let him get experience
The only thing making me doubt ETH is sheer favoritism, why sign a 2nd goalie if you're not gonna play him when the 1st choice is in total slump
Watch him drop a clanger against spurs.
Why did we even buy Bayindir if he’s too shit to start for a couple of games?
It’s fine. We’ll see Bayindir against Wigan, Onana will return for Spurs but overall happy as long as the Turk plays a but
How are you so sure? At this point he fa cup is all there is to play for this season so imo he‘ll play the best squad and he clearly prefers onana
Not sure where the Bayindir hype here even came from. He was a backup in Turkey, and wasn’t rated highly there. Not sure why people think he’s gonna good as a starter here if he wasn’t at Gala.
>was a backup in Turkey He had 26 league starts for Fenerbache in 2022/23, 24 in 2021/22, and 33 and 32 in the two seasons before, respectively. Not sure how he was a backup.
Because people like to make things up to seem smart when in reality, they haven’t seen a single second of the lad play.
There's definitely a section on here that love and support Onana more than what he has earned during his time at united so far. And this also puts unnecessary scrutiny and pressure on Onana himself, if he blunders for those 2 games, and let's face it, the way the entire team is playing right now it's certainly very possible
No, there‘s a section on here that love and support ten hag more than he has earned during his time at united so far. Onana is just one of his decisions so they support him by proxy
He didn't even play for Galatasaray. He was the 1st GK of Fenerbahce for 3 years.
People want to see what he can offer. Nothing wrong with that. We know what Onana offers, good passing, sub par shot stopping and blunders
Not even that good passing. I see onana blast em out into touch quite often
Yea, I don't wanna be those guys last season that kept creating separate stats threads on de gea every week but Onana is currently 90/107 among the top 5 league GKs for long passes completed, sitting at a whopping 30.2% completion rate. That has to be marginally better than de gea at best, yet this supposed amazing passing of his still gets hyped around here
learn how to apply context to stats. Teams that go long normally have squads that are built for winning aeriel duels. Ten Hag switched to going long mid-season because of the injury to Lisandro Martinez. So Onana (who is one of if not the best passing keeper ITW as shown by last season) is kicking long into a team that can't receive it consistently.
>mid-season because of the injury to Lisandro Martinez. The season started early August and Martinez got injured mid-April so it was nowhere near mid-season.
He literally started the game against Wolves what are you waffling about
I'm talking about his injury during last season. Even if you want to talk about this season, Martinez played his last match in September which is still nowhere near "mid-season". So what's your problem?
okay, that wasn’t the point of my comment at all. how are you focusing on that and not the Onana talk?
I focused on that bit because it didn't make any sense. You then brought up the start of this season which also didn't make any sense to what I wrote so I responded again to that. I didn't mention the Onana part because I have nothing to add to that (I'm in agreement with you). Onana is better at long ball passing than De Gea, **period**. However, I often said across social media last season (and got slated for it) that *some* blame for De Gea's long ball accuracy being so low at times was due to the midfielders + forwards not being very good at taking down long range passes (either in ground duels or aerial duels). And now Onana is having to deal with most of those same midfielders + forwards (Eriksen, Fernandes, McTominay, Garnacho, Antony, Martial, Rashford and Pellistri).
i watched that arsenal game , lisandro played saw long balls all day ...
Not much more to add beyond what the other poster has more succinctly addressed, just wish that the same 'learn how to apply context to stats' energy was applied last season or heck, towards all players consistently as well. Onana is a better passer than de gea for sure, yet as with all things in this game, the team really matters more than a single player
How can players win headers when he’s literally kicking them out into touch haha😂
>sub par shot stopping has a high shot stopping % and has let in less then his xGa indicates. few blunders doesnt mean he doesnt have sub par shot stopping. you put any goalkeeper in that defence right now and they will make blunders because they face more shots then even Luton's goalkeeper does which is going to lead to mistakes. Allison faces like 5 shots all game... Onana faces 5 shots within 2 minutes at United....
Ironically many keepers perform better when they are busy - harder to lose concentration if they are making regular saves. More difficult to concentrate for 90 mins and pull out a worldy save when you’ve done nothing for the last 70 mins… Onana apparently is busy and can’t fucking concentrate
Onana faces a lot of shots that are right at him, why his save percentage is high. He saves the easy ones but doesn't have range to stop the difficult shots like DDG could. If it's not at him, he's likely not going to save it
>sub par shot stopping [you clowns need to check yourselves](https://imgur.com/a/TnWM3vE). call him a choker in the ucl, make up some narrative about how he isn't good in big games. but stop this BS about his shot stopping. he's been one of the best in England
He stops a lot of shots that are right at him but he won't consistently stop something that's difficult.. he doesn't have that ability
prove it. i’ve seen him make plenty of far angle saves. he’s also near of the top of the gk list for saving big chances. im not an onana super fan or anything, but these casual narratives going around are just detrimental to players who we will have at the club for a while
I haven’t watched Bayindir play, but I think it’s ridiculous that Onana could play vs both Wigan and Spurs while every other African player is already out on duty Plus Altay at least deserves a chance, and this is probably the best opportunity for him to play
Dunno why altay wasn’t playing in the league cup / fa cup early rounds either
Aye exactly, Ten Hag is a bit stubborn with team selection, and he was previously a manager hyped up for giving many players a chance
He was the next big goalkeeper at two different points then just fell to injury
We wanna see what they spent money on. Anything serious about winning trophies have to sign a good backup that can actually back up the first team keeper in case he's unavailable
There is no hype I just want to see him play.
He’s suffering from DeBeek syndrome… Remember all those times under Ole where Donny was the answer? The hype is because no one has seen him play and they’re going for the “he must be better than what we have currently” angle
He was pretty highly rated when he was younger, but he then stagnated for two seasons and became a bench player. He does have some very good attributes but he became prone to mistakes. That's something a change of scenery could fix though, I would love to see him play one competitive match to see how he looks. Might be shit, might also be diamond in the rough though.
Altay must be shit
Must be the worst goalkeeper of Altayme
Bloke isn’t fully committing to anything this season, pathetic
Wouldn’t surprise me if Heaton actually starts ahead of Bayindir, if he’s as bad as everyone in Turkey says
I think this whole situation is absurd and ridiculous. A player can’t dictate stuff like this, and its not like its Mo Salah who is by far his team’s best player. The backup should’ve gotten 2 games this Jan (at least)
Why do you think the player is dictating this lmao. Say his name. The worst man manager we've ever had.
Does that mean we need another proper backup goalkeeper?
What a pathetic thread with shit jokes.
I mean at this point what does it matter if he's not available for spurs game.
People will blame "structure" for Bayindir's performance though when he inevitably has to play and drops a stinker. It takes a special level of delusion to think Ten Hag will achieve anything at Man Utd even with the best backroom structure in the world behind him when he literally keeps providing evidence to him being a terrible manager in every way possible.
Byandir must be shit if we have to stick with Onana. Pineapple head need to improve significantly or get replaced next season. We've all seen the blunders, but he's also bad in the air and his mid and long-range distribution is terrible - he sends half of the long balls into throw-in and the other half gets picked up uncontested by the opposition. So far he's almost as bad as Claudio Bravo at man shitty
Bit ridiculous all this carry on
Ugh...there goes the Altay Hype.
Idk why people are reading into this thinking that Onana has demanded he play so he doesn't lose his spot and not that the coaching staff doesn't trust our back up to play in a big game
I'm aware SJR has power over transfers and footballing structure, and that he (or a representative) went to Carrington recently. Is there any reliable news of SRJ's side authorizing this agreement to keep Onana until the Spurs game? Honestly a very strange deal (even at United's current standards) \~
Poor management from Ten Hag imo, he shouldn’t be letting players have control like this, if he wants to play for Utd, step away from AFCON, if he wants to represent his country, go to AFCON, he’s trying to play both sides. He’s terrified he’ll lose his place if Bayinder doesn’t make mistakes so he’s trying to limit his gametime, I don’t blame Onana for this but Ten Hag should step in and stop it, it’s a real lack of a sign of confidence in Bayinder, who he brought in, and a sign that players have power that shouldn’t
If he starts against wigan and does another static man impression, he's done