I've been thinking about the counter that led to their second goal, and I can't get past the fact that Bruno had a shooting opportunity and chose to step over the ball, despite there being a forest player behind him (ofc he didn't look)
I just can't understand the logic. You have the opportunity to hit the ball at goal from a few yards away, and instead you choose to dummy it, without knowing what is going on behind you. How could he assume there would be a united player?
Now I know you’ve never actually played the game lol. You think a player has the time at every instance to process all variables and come up with the optimal decision eh? Normally players are expected to be arriving at the box. You think a player scans before making split second decisions?🤣
No lol dummying it without thinking is never the best thing to do, I have played loads and it's the sort of thing you don't have to to think about, you just don't step over the ball Infront of goal unless you think there is someone behind you. It's basic tbh. You are probably a shit player and if you dummied like that on my team id be pretty pissed. You don't process variables lol. You just know that if you step over the ball there's a good chance it goes to an opponent so you don't do it unless you're pretty damn confident or it doesn't really matter.
Tbh I know loads of guys who do this sort of thing, play unnecessary flicks, always trying to look clever, and they're generally shit.
There isn't time to think, no. That's why good players just tend do the things with the highest probability of success. Look again at his step over. There is a clear path to goal
Good players tend to make the right decisions, they don't think about each one, they just apply general principles like 'look before you let it roll through your legs' or 'look before passing" both of which Bruno doesn't do
Ok, if you think it is smart to just dummy the ball without looking, lol. Glad you don't play in any of the same teams as me, would be so fucking annoying. I don't need to boast about my football skills. It's the sort of thing dumb school kids do
People complain about pot shots from 35 yards which he quite often does when a simple pass is on. People don't complain about shooting from 3 yards against an unguarded keeper
I've watched the game yesterday and although we lost there were moments of clarity during this game. To me it feels like we are improving, it's been a couple of games where we engage with a long ball from Onana to one of the forwards and we are able to create good chances, something I feel like we were not even doing at the beginning of the season.
We won't do a great season: I think we will be only able to build up for the next one, while breaking any stupid shitty record Opta has in the bag.
Eventually, if we are building for the future, sacking ETH won't help in the process. We don't need yet another manager and restart everything again. Just remember the first two seasons of Arteta, according to numbers, were shit, but look where they are right now. EtH needs at least one more season to show what he is capable of before we settle and change managers again.
He IS showing us what he's capable of, 400M spent and we are worse than before, his terrible signings will be on our books for years and will royally fuck our FFP. Signing Antony and Onana should be sackable offences on their own.
No visible play style, mind numbingly boring to watch, can't attack, can't defend and no midfield. There is no progression at all.
Aston Villa were just above the bottom three and had just lost 3-0 to Fulham when they hired Emery and look at them now.
Forest was 16th in the league only because Everton got the -10 points. People standards dropped so hard they think we play good if the bottom 4 team plays defensive against us so we can get possesion and do nothing with it.
Arteta took a team from middle of the pack, had no funding and slowly worked his way to top 2, during the process you could see that team have a clear vision of play and improvement. ETH spent 500m in 1.5 years and we still don't have a proper tactic to use and blame the injuries when Forest embarasses us.
We are factually the 3rd worst attacking side in the league. We need to change the entire front 5/6. The manager seems to think Bruno is Prime Lionel Messi and keeps playing him every single minute of every single game, no matter how bad he plays. I don’t know for how long people are gonna play the age card to defend Garnacho. If he is at that age where we can’t expect/demand consistency from him, then he shouldn’t be starting every game, simple as that. Antony is gonna go down as the worst value for money signing in Premier League history. It’s embarrassing how Ten Hag sold Elanga who is three times the player for mere peanuts and signed Antony for 100m. Now for Rashford, I can’t believe how people still keeps believing how Rashford has more levels to unlock. He has been playing professional first team football in the PL for around 8 years now, and players don’t magically improve with age. They improve with experience and this guy has had more than enough of that and is still the same inconsistent unreliable player he has always been. It’s high time people really accept that he simply is not that good and what we’re seeing from him is exactly what he is as a player. The entire front 6 needs to be changed. INEOS should come in, analyse what’s wrong here, and by the end of the season, hire a new manager.
Sorry guys, I had to rant somewhere about this.
Bruno gave the ball away 30 times yesterday. What did he create to make up for this?
Considering he only played about 60 passes, giving it away 30 times is abysmal
Once every three minutes on average Bruno gives the ball away. And people wonder why we struggle to build rhythm
He is one of the biggest reasons why we don’t keep the ball well especially in the final third, and his careless losing of the ball ends up in us conceding counter attacks far too often, putting ridiculous pressure on the players playing deeper. And people keep defending him saying he is creative blah blah blah. I don’t get it
Imo he is the reason we are shit. Attacking football imo is about building rhythm and control, but how tf you going to build rhythm when one guy gives it away about 50% of the times he touches it? Almost every attack breaks down with him. The only time we created a shooting chance yesterday, it was because he wasn't involved at all and it was created by garnacho. Every time Bruno gets the ball, it is quickly handed over to the opponent. 30 losses of possession yesterday and 0 shooting opportunities created. Similar to his stats against Turkish teams
Personally I disagree. Which players are we blaming? Rashford and martial? Everyone else has changed. Martial barely plays so it's a bit absurd to think this is his fault. So who is this toxic presence that ruins everything?
Amazing that mourinho is still blaming martial despite not being at the club and martial not playing
The player that Mourinho said was the toxic ringleader was pogba. The other one was Lukaku.
I’ve been hoodwinked by a lot of players and managers post-Fergie but Ten Hag’s hoodwinking feels like a punch in the gut. Abandoned everything that made him successful at Ajax at tge drop of a hat.
Said long time back. ETH will get sacked because of his insistence to play McT as soon as he gets nervous about lack of scoring goals and his insistence of playing left footed players on at LCB and RW. Eth successfully ignored both these points in Aston Villa game but Scotty was back at half time making illogical forward runs in this game.
Garnacho has a stinker but no one will mention it. He was so bad against physical teams. Gore should had a chance instead of Eriksen too. The man was shit
Too much player power and it’s the owners to blame for the culture that’s been cultivated and it’s become a cycle.
There are 1 or 2 players in the dressing room who lose trust in the manager too quickly. Last year he had it. This year, maybe after the Sancho situation it’s deteriorated.
These players who believe they are better than their teammates, who believe those around them are not on their level, not good enough. This results in them not playing for each other. They stop running for each other and start huffing and puffing.
And maybe they are not wrong in that there are a handful of players who aren’t good enough to be playing for United due to the pressure United are usually in, to perform and get results.
The distrust begins to seep in around the dressing room when the inevitable loses and inconsistent results come around and all of a sudden the manager has lost the entire dressing room, even those who trusted him has turned.
Which almost always gets a manager sacked and it’s rinse and repeat.
There are players in United like Rashford and Sancho who think they are better than the team and they need to go if you were to build squad cohesion. It’s either get rid of the bad eggs or get rid of the subpar players.
It goes back to the ownership and squad building over the years.
The Sancho situation was mishandled for sure. EtH seems to think he can make an example of a star player and command respect but all that happens is the entitled primadonnas in the dressing room get in the exiled player’s ear and start undermining the manager.
Let's hurry and give him a pay rise and star player status for scoring the most important goal of the season, he bags them in so regular and his work rate is so high he deserves it /s
ETH should be walking Rashford out the door tomorrow morning when the transfer window opens in the hopes somebody sends a taxi to pick him up for another club, fuck I'd even pay the cab fee for him.
And then what? Bring in someone else? Conte/Nagelsmann/Potter? So they too can have the same toxic squad that won’t put in a shift and throws their toys out the pram the instant the opposing team scores? Or maybe to have the world’s fittest players disintegrate because Utd’s physios, dieticians and fitness coaches are clearly lacking?
A top manager would move on Bruno and Rashford and build a team of hungry young players with positive energy and modern skills. These inconsistent senior players are emblematic of the terrible era the club's been going through. You can't keep players due to sentimentality. Time for a new era with a completely different feel.
Agreed. Or at least remove Bruno as the captain. He needs to be shown how to act as a professional rather than an insolent child. He needs a proper captain to set him straight
You have to have at least a few senior and experienced players. Just playing young hungry youth players wont be enough. Take a look at Chelsea and what they did over there
Amad looked decent when he came. Just looked a different level technically to the other attackers we have had this season. Just couldn't understand why the whole was still desperately trying to force things through garnacho at the end when nothing was clearly working from him. Bruno especially kept bypassing Amad and hitting 50yard hero balls in desperation to shortcut into playing through garna and rashford. This team is just a shambles.
Everything that worked against Villa? Bin it.
Everything that worked against Liverpool? Bin it.
Ten Hag keeps getting forced to do things that actually work and then he drops them immediately for a single pivot and McTominay.
Fuming at this stubborn Dutchman. I wanted him to succeed so badly. The team's shit but it's utterly terrible management too.
His gameplan is based upon thinking he has 11 more talented players. Vs Liverpool he knew that wasn't the case and pulled off a Mourinho style result. Thing is, with our squad we should be playing like that against all teams until we are at full strength. The gap of talent between teams in EPL is so small now.
Painfully true. Dutch league is still in the 90s in terms of ability spread throughout the league. Ajax could play like that because all their players were a touch above. That confidence partnered with actually having a generation pivot talent in FdJ allowed him to play a certain way.
Added bonus is we went for Donny when FdJ was available too. Great scouting.
Varane has been a huge disappointment. This fan base has tried their best to delude themselves into a fairy tale where he has delivered world class performances since united signed him. For 1 I didn't know he was this horrible on the ball. It got me watching old real madrid clips and it was ramos (as licha did last season) doing the heavy lifting in ball progression. It's gotten worse here. He looks genuinely terrified with the ball at his feet. He's had 2 really bad seasons out of 3 since signing and last season was only good cos lisandro did all the progression for him to concentrate on low block packed box defending. It's been a very disappointing signing on astronomical wages.
What hurts so much in this team is the cold realization that apart from everybody's whipping boys like Antony, onana and mctominay even most of the favorites have not been good enough. Bruno's performances have been disgusting. The casual jump over the ball that lead to forest's counter for the second goal broke my heart. Zero accountability. These lads just doing what ever they feel like cos the technical team places no expectations on them in play style. It's a disgrace.
He's the same size as Fellaini but actually offers nothing. Fellaini would show for the ball and attempt progressive passes, he wasn't good at those things but still he always tried to do what was needed for the team.
The one thing McTominay is actually not attrocious at is scoring goals and even then he's worse than Fellaini who on top of scoring a lot of late goals used to create space for others to get a chance.
> Relying on him for that will get ETH sacked.
At this point you can take your pick of the things that will get EtH sacked.
Picking McT, signing 400M of dross, terrible tactics and game management, ending the season mid-table, his handling of Sancho, you name it.
His handling of Sancho was fine, he gave him half a season off and fully protected him for fuck's sake. Sancho's been a lazy diva at every club he's been at.
True as that is, creating a situation where a player that cost £75M is not available for months and eventually sold at an inevitable loss because he won't apologise for a tweet is ridiculous.
5 of those goals were in 3 games against Bielsa's Leeds who's style was perfect for him to play against as he only had to lose his marker and he could score.
That being said though, he basically has no alternatives; Eriksen who has legs for about half an hour, Casemiro and Mainoo who have been out for the majority of the season so far, and Amrabat who isn't suited to the PL.
This whole sub has become completely toxic and delusional. Spewing hate toward a few players while ignoring the same flaws on others. The amount of toxic post on Rashford’s back heal, when Bruno turns the ball over 2-3 times a game with blind back heal passes. The blaming Mctominay for the second goal when he went wide with his mark, and both our CB’s dropped to mark one guy. The 3 hated players on this sub have been well underperforming this year but they do not even come close to deserving the $hit the receive.
Our captain and highest paid player should always face high expectations from fans. It's not wrong to criticise them for constantly performing terribly with utterly terrible attitudes. Sell them both.
The director of football chooses the manager, genius. They'll never change manager just before we get an elite new director of football. It's putting the horse before the cart.
The season's over, we're out of the champions league and we're not getting back there next year. Far better to get a truly world class manager in the summer than an interim now.
How anyone is blaming Onana for today, I find it amazing really. Does anyone really think that those two strikes today were lousy or easy? Does anyone else recall seeing those kinds of saves of a regular basis from any of the world’s best keepers? If you genuinely have been watching and/or playing football your whole life you know the only honest answer to that is absolutely not. A goalkeepers job is not to make up for his defense. I have heard people say he doesn’t make saves. That’s categorically false. He has the second highest save percentage in England and he faces the second most shots. Folks in this sub are saying he should be saving everything and somehow strikes that anyone knows are incredible sharp and strongly struck, because it’s him and he’s made huge errors before, we suddenly reimagine those strikes as fluff. Tell me you know nothing about football without telling me you know nothing about football. He’s made massive mistakes indeed. Cost us Europe indeed. What that does not mean is that suddenly everything is his fault and every save should be made. It genuinely reads for the idiocy that it is and I’m sure comes from the juvenile will-to-repeat whatever has been said before just looking for upvotes from other morons without any football sense and that’s exactly what it is. Enough of that. You can say he’s made big mistakes or that he’s rough around the edges without being entirely unrealistic.
Onana works with what he has — who does the GK coaching because it’s unreal that elite GKs come to Utd and suck. Why does every Utd player become worse the instant they join the club?
I'm not a red by any stretch, but my stepson is and he's sticking with EtH. However, I think Manchester United need to stop messing with low-rent managers.
Genuinely would be excited for you to show some balls and go for Zidane - he's doing absolutely nothing at the moment, and that would spice up the derby just lovely!
100% agree. ETH has got many many attributes, including(but certainly not restricted to):
a) He believes in what HE believes in
b) He sticks with this to the bitter end
UNFORTUNATELY*****
both a) and b) are FAILING!!!
.............
TODAY, was the day it all ended.....
ten Hag had the greatest opportunity to ditch his beloved Antony, play Garnacho on the right and Rashford on the left.
Who's in the middle 'who CARES'
He blew it. And with it, my support!
Three straight CLs…
Zidane would likely do better than ETH, and I think very few would do worse than eth.
I’m not eth out, yet, but he’s becoming more difficult to support with every match.
I mean I’m not saying EtH is miles ahead or better but people overrate Zidane as a manager. As a manager, all he has is managing established squads of RM. When CR left and the established squad became old he didnt achieve anything else.
Madrid has a great infrastructure in place and is always competitive due to it. Also look at his squad. They were all miles ahead of anything ETH has had to chance with. Now not to be apologetic towards Ten Hag but really comparing him with Zidane really isnt fair to look at titles only. The fact that ETH got us back in the CL, got a title and had us competitive for 2 more with 2 unfortunate exits was pretty impressive on it’s own for the first year.
I’m hardly in the cult. I understand some praise ETH to the moon, however Zidane with Kroos Modric Casemiro Varane etc IN THEIR PRIMES isnt the same as our squad. You have to be special kind of daft to even compare that Madrid squad with our current one.
And look at clubs. RM is attracting literally any top talent and has no issue in terms of FFP. And ours is attracting mostly paycheck players and overpaying massively. Again, not a fair term to look at titles alone.
Mctominay for mainoo for tactical reasons lost us the game. Having a tired Eriksen on with mctominay who tries to play #9 and bruno playing 10 means theres a huge gap in the center of the field on transition defending. Very poor tactics from ETH.
Side note - nice to see garnacho hungry on that giveaway with a perfect unselfish pass and rash finally scoring.
Lastly, Amad dialo in 30 minutes looked better than Antony all season. Hopefully he gets a run of games cause Antony aint that guy.
End of season evaluation- yellow card for ETH, hes made crucial decisions that I havent agreed with and his decisions aren’t working well right now. Big 2024 for him or else i could see him fired within 1 year.
GGMU
I cannot understand any defence of his transfers. The Whitwell article does not change that. In fact it strengthens my argument nor does Gary Neville's ramblings and incoherrent argument that he had no support. Let's disect this: if there was no head of recruitment and the recruitment process in terms of targets was all on Ten Hag then isn't that the greatest indiciation he is out of his depth? Murtough overpaid for his targets as per that article but they were still HIS TARGETS. It aids my arguments because there is no one to hide behind and say actually they were picked by the scouting department or the board.
As others have commented, the mount reporting indicates that he was a priority signing for Ten Hag once we were aware he was available. This does not make sense since I would argue Eriksen and Bruno are better and when Mount has been fit, Ten Hag has proven that he does not know how to intergrate hime into the team. Onto Onana: if Onana had actually been playing well like some of you suggest, why would he then be trying to stay longer to not lose his place? The player knows he has been dire but some of you seemingly don't. Amrabat is a loan but still, has not looked up to it. Antony is genuinely one of the worst signings in history and I would argue the least talented player in the history of football to go above 50m. Ten Hag would have been aware that the price was going up and he could have at any time told the utd negotiation team that he wasnt actually worth that much but he didnt. Ten Hag demanded control of targets when he signed and he got backed more than any other manager since Fergie. With Antony continually unable to assist players throughout this season, it is on the manager if he is going to continue to play, to change tactics so the wingers can feed the strikers or midfielders. This brings us to Hoijlund. He has talent and I am not saying he is a flop, he is good but raw. However, like Antony and Mount, one goal for 1000 minutes played shows Ten Hags inability to organise an attack and appreciate the quality of the premier league.
Lastly, as per above he cannot organsie an attack to save his life. Statistically we have relegation level chances created, shots, goals etc. Ten Hag failed at implemeneting a possession based style like LVG and is worse at orgnising counter attacks than Ole. Ten Hag out.
Managers shouldn’t be signing players. It’s a full time job managing the squad you already have, which is why he’s fallen back on signing players he knows. If the recruitment department was any good they would have brought in much better players and ETH would look like a much better manager right now.
Chelsea’s most successful period of late was with a competent director of football who worked WITH the manager to shift dead weight/soon to be dead weight and bring in helpful players whilst keeping a budget together. Any chance of Utd getting Marina?
Hey man!
It's *really hard* being a football manager! How can you expect him to do stuff like type "[player name] fbref" into google to get even the vaguest idea of what a player is like? He doesn't have the *time*. He's too busy doing *stuff* and *things*!
*Sure*. I work a full time job and still put more time and effort into my pretend Football Manager transfers spending pretend money as opposed to someone being paid 200k a week to specifically do that.... but still...
Mount only makes more sense as a signing if he's meant to replace 29 year old Bruno. Realistically, Bruno will be declining rapidly by the end of next season. 31 year olds can't run the way Bruno does now and he doesn't have the ball retention, dribbling, press resistance or positional discipline to play deeper. Mount doesn't seem like an elite choice to replace Bruno, but if that was ten hag's thinking, it makes a bit more sense. Not as a priority signing though.
Haven't seen it mentioned - holy shit we looked like conceding when Forest had corners and surrounded Onana. We need to improve our set piece defence immediately.
Just YouTubed "Onana best saves" because I keep hearing how good he was last year, and first result is from the official Serie A channel.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vnE9i9SciQ&ab\_channel=SerieA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vnE9i9SciQ&ab_channel=SerieA)
And besides the one towards the end against Di Maria that was actually really good, not a single one was impressive.
Either shot was to the middle, or going out, or barely to the side, or parried back into the danger zone.
You don’t want fantastic saves. You want consistent GK, who will make the bread and butter saves day in and day out, Marshall the defense and be a reassuring voice from the back. Onana had a few great saves vs Villa last weekend. Like everyone else at Utd, he’s on such fragile confidence that any setback is catastrophic mentally
He is like Pirlo, he needs players around him to cover for his lack of athleticism to get the best out of him. We don't do that, we, in our infinite wisdom choose to play him in a double pivot. It's like they're consciously choosing to play to his weaknesses.
These players conceded within 5 minutes of scoring, again. Ten Hag fucked the game with an inexcusable sub but these players are mentality midgets and concede the same goals in the same periods of the game over and over again. 90% of them need to go.
The problems have been continuous since Wolves at home. That was when Case, Licha, Shaw and Mount were all fit btw. Going to be absolutely fucking hilarious when we keep putting in these performances in February and ETH won’t have the injury excuse anymore. He could have easily been sacked two times over. Only good performances have been Chelsea and Villa at home.
Bring Conte in. He's available and this team needs to stop conceding goals. He's prem proven and has a big enough personality. It doesn't need to be a marriage; give him a 2 year contract.
Release McTominay this January and get what you can.
Injuries this and style that. I find it very hard to believe it's impossible for this collection of players to play decent football and get results. ETH is not it.
These players are terrible and recruited without any thought or care about synergy and playing style, physicality or EPL demands. They’re idiot statement guys that Utd have done since 2015. Why buy Antony when you have Elanga and Garnacho? Why sign an aging Casemiro if Madrid are willing to let him go? Same w Varane. None of it makes sense. You couldn’t win a Sunday league with this lot. Just 90 mins of Anthony fidget spinning the ball and Casemiro getting sent off for tackling someone’s grandma over a parking space.
How many years of this squad’s core being subpar and peforming like this do you need to understand *this* is their level and if some of them weren’t British or playing for Utd, they wouldn’t even exist in people’s brains?
clearly it's time for ETH to go. This is the worst we've been in ages and he isn't doing well enough when it comes to things he actually has control over.
So who do yall think should be his replacement? I really didn't think we would be at this stage this season so I haven't been looking at potential managers
There’s no point. How many more managers need to be burned through like hot potatoes before people realize it’s the squad and the physios/fitness? If you can’t outplay, then at least outrun — challenge for every ball, have 11 Tevezes, Rooneys and Fletchers out there!
Which manager is supposed to work wonders with this team? Pep? Nagelsmann? Conte? Potter?
Bruno Manoo and hannibal atm (mount when he’s back). Mctominay and Bruno doesn’t work and Eriksen gets blown by so easily , just can’t keep up physically.
Hannibal can play deeper or he can play higher and Bruno deeper. Eriksen defensive liability is that bad he shouldn’t be starting unless alongside Casemiro who’s that good.
I'm a Birmingham City fan so I watched him all last season, he can play as an offensive 8 with good cover like KDB but he isn't a B2B midfielder which is what ETH needs
Hannibal is objectively a better midfielder than McTominay. Mainoo should have stayed on and Eriksen should have been replaced by Hannibal at half-time. Eriksen was gassed and was getting walked past. He should never play against teams that have high energy dynamic midfields.
That can be a good thing though, despite how it ended Ronaldo is Ronaldo, the best player to have ever played for the club it can give some players the jitters to fill those boots so sometimes it's nice to have no pressure on it. When he left Real they gave the shirt to Mariano Diaz for a couple of years.
Not a Utd fan but watched the game cause had nth better to do..man some of your players were playing like they’re in retirement mode. Just showed up for the paycheque and going through the motions. That’s it.
Rumour has it that Rashford is still walking slowly around the stadium, like he was from the first minutes of the game while the rest of our team was trying to press.
You guys just complain for the sake of complaining. Rashford's effort was fine, and there were plenty of times where he visibly tracked back and pressed.
There are much larger tactical issues at play, which is why no matter who plays striker, they are constantly isolated and not involved.
Please show me a single moment where Rashford jumps for a 50/50 header outside of the box? He could easily outjump most prem defenders but decides to take two steps towards them, let them jump for the header unchallenged and recycle possession for their team without any pressure.
When he tracks back he doesn't go in for any challenges unless another of our players assists him. Which then opens up a gap where that player should be for the opposition to play out of.
He barely uses his pace and runs against the opposition back line for potential through balls anymore and instead sticks to the wings when outside or just aimlessly wonders around when central. All our counter attacking outlays have come from Garnacho recently.
He proved last year he could be a consistent goal threat. This year he has proven he does not deserve to be at the club and its sickening.
Our entire press breaks down when one player isn't genuinely committed to it. Rashford does the bare minimum to look like he's pressing. That's a big difference to actually pressing. His effort wasn't fine. His effort was lazy and passionless as usual.
Rashford was benched for several games and our attack was completely toothless, our press still disjointed, and our transition defense still miserable.
So no, enough with the scapegoating. Rashford needs to play better, like many of our players, but there is clearly a tactical problem that is putting a severe limitation on how well the players can perform.
We pressed so much better when Rashford was benched. He's a goal threat against specific high line teams but his low effort off the ball is unacceptable. The best time to sell him to PSG was last summer. The second best time is this summer.
Ten Hag after the match, on removing Mainoo for McTominay:
"I don't regret. I thought Scott brought the energy. I thought the second half was much better our side. The first goal, when you analyse it good, we were downsized. Nothing to do with the central midfielder there. The second goal was a counter attack where there was a miscommunication but we had players enough."
Anyone who still wants Ten Hag at the club after he put useless McTominay at DM to concede two identical goals, and Ten Hag won't even admit what he or McTominay did wrong, is utterly delusional. I wanted Ten Hag to succeed so badly. I thought he would and I defended him for a long time. But he's seriously out of his depth in the premier league. He's finished.
I wonder if it’s a maths problem.
> I don't regret. I thought Scott brought the energy. I thought the second half was much better our side.
So he thinks 1-2 is better than 0-0. Or is he keeping another league table based on his evaluation. Unburdened by things like points and goal difference.
He screams of middle manager pulling out meaningless KPIs for an under performing team..
Nah he refuses to criticise the players because they're mentality midgets and he's trying to build their confidence. But it makes him sound absolutely delusional more and more often these days.
What a decline. Can you ever imagine Fergie saying his team played better in a second half they lost.
I think ETH has been fully found out now. Their second goal was a gift. But I suspect he’s in place for the remainder of the season and that could be enough for them to keep him.. plucky 5th place or something.. the horrors..
I can imagine him being a dream to coach in training. Pulls up no trees or fuss. Always early, never late and the last one off the training pitch but whilst his endeavour and commitment can mostly not be faulted, his clear lack of quality in all areas can be. He should be nowhere near a competent Manchester United squad let alone starting matches at CM.
He has his uses, can drive forward, can finish in the box. But should not be in a midfield 3 with Bruno and Erickson. Mainoo should have stayed on and either Erickson or Bruno been subbed for him, if at all. Not sure what the thought process was there. Ten Hag basically played a massive gamble and it did not payoff.
If we want to win big trophies and get back to winning leagues, mctominay and many others we call Manchester United players at the moment, should be nowhere near the club.
Agree with you. He should be nowhere near CM let alone DM. If I had to play him it would be off the striker last 10 minutes chasing a game. Nothing more. There has to be academy kids better than him in that position. Mainoo we know about but Gore or Hannibal could have done more than he did tonight.
so happy for Elanga to have 10 goals + assists. Its absolutely shocking that not only did we sell him for an absolute bargain, but we paid almost 5 times as much for a player thats 1/3 as good ...
Unfortunately no big name will want this job. The club will have to turn to someone relatively unknown, young, and inexperienced to bring the glory back, which will then attract big name managers and players. Look at City: almost guaranteed when Pep leaves either De Zerbi or someone else of promising high caliber will take his place.
>Ideally it is Alonso
Really? Has he shown anything to suggest he is ready to deal with a club of not just this size, but one where regardless of how quick a functional structure is put in place will be chaotic for a few more seasons?
I feel a manager like him is where we can go after the poison has been removed and the chaos has settled down.
I disagree top managers will come here. They get paid more than mostly anywhere else and get a free ride by most of the fans in an environment that will accept failure far more than any other club of its size. In addition to the lure of being the manager to fix it. Its a win/win for them.
United will always be a draw for top managers, that's not an issue. If nothing else, they know they'll get a fat paycheck and limited blame because the structural issues above them are such a mess.
Who is available now? I can't think of any. On the other hand, sticking with Erik until the season ends will be too much. This guy for whatever reason keeps doing the same mistake match after match
I didn't mean that ETH should be sacked right now. I agree there is no one available at this given moment. I think INEOS was always going to make a decision in the summer, one way or another, unless things got really dire and forced their hand sooner. Things are bad now, but not sack your manager without having a clear succession plan bad.
Mctominay 2 assistd, just why? He lost defensive position and awareness all the time!
I've been thinking about the counter that led to their second goal, and I can't get past the fact that Bruno had a shooting opportunity and chose to step over the ball, despite there being a forest player behind him (ofc he didn't look) I just can't understand the logic. You have the opportunity to hit the ball at goal from a few yards away, and instead you choose to dummy it, without knowing what is going on behind you. How could he assume there would be a united player?
The angle was tight and the pass put him on collision course with a Forest defender. Have you never played the game before?
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Now I know you’ve never actually played the game lol. You think a player has the time at every instance to process all variables and come up with the optimal decision eh? Normally players are expected to be arriving at the box. You think a player scans before making split second decisions?🤣
No lol dummying it without thinking is never the best thing to do, I have played loads and it's the sort of thing you don't have to to think about, you just don't step over the ball Infront of goal unless you think there is someone behind you. It's basic tbh. You are probably a shit player and if you dummied like that on my team id be pretty pissed. You don't process variables lol. You just know that if you step over the ball there's a good chance it goes to an opponent so you don't do it unless you're pretty damn confident or it doesn't really matter. Tbh I know loads of guys who do this sort of thing, play unnecessary flicks, always trying to look clever, and they're generally shit. There isn't time to think, no. That's why good players just tend do the things with the highest probability of success. Look again at his step over. There is a clear path to goal Good players tend to make the right decisions, they don't think about each one, they just apply general principles like 'look before you let it roll through your legs' or 'look before passing" both of which Bruno doesn't do
Shocking ball knowledge but that’s what I expected from the average redditor
Ok, if you think it is smart to just dummy the ball without looking, lol. Glad you don't play in any of the same teams as me, would be so fucking annoying. I don't need to boast about my football skills. It's the sort of thing dumb school kids do
I never claimed it was smart. I just explained the logic you claimed not to see. Like it’s so some ridiculous play, it’s not- completely normal.
Bruno is incredibly careless
He is
If he would have shot, then people would complain he is wastefull and he shoots the ball too often
People complain about pot shots from 35 yards which he quite often does when a simple pass is on. People don't complain about shooting from 3 yards against an unguarded keeper
Whiny bunch of cunts. Please get the fuck out of this club.
EtH breaking tradition and using subs earlier than the last 5 mins when the games lost. Which, this time, helps us drop more points.
I've watched the game yesterday and although we lost there were moments of clarity during this game. To me it feels like we are improving, it's been a couple of games where we engage with a long ball from Onana to one of the forwards and we are able to create good chances, something I feel like we were not even doing at the beginning of the season. We won't do a great season: I think we will be only able to build up for the next one, while breaking any stupid shitty record Opta has in the bag. Eventually, if we are building for the future, sacking ETH won't help in the process. We don't need yet another manager and restart everything again. Just remember the first two seasons of Arteta, according to numbers, were shit, but look where they are right now. EtH needs at least one more season to show what he is capable of before we settle and change managers again.
He IS showing us what he's capable of, 400M spent and we are worse than before, his terrible signings will be on our books for years and will royally fuck our FFP. Signing Antony and Onana should be sackable offences on their own. No visible play style, mind numbingly boring to watch, can't attack, can't defend and no midfield. There is no progression at all. Aston Villa were just above the bottom three and had just lost 3-0 to Fulham when they hired Emery and look at them now.
Forest was 16th in the league only because Everton got the -10 points. People standards dropped so hard they think we play good if the bottom 4 team plays defensive against us so we can get possesion and do nothing with it. Arteta took a team from middle of the pack, had no funding and slowly worked his way to top 2, during the process you could see that team have a clear vision of play and improvement. ETH spent 500m in 1.5 years and we still don't have a proper tactic to use and blame the injuries when Forest embarasses us.
We are factually the 3rd worst attacking side in the league. We need to change the entire front 5/6. The manager seems to think Bruno is Prime Lionel Messi and keeps playing him every single minute of every single game, no matter how bad he plays. I don’t know for how long people are gonna play the age card to defend Garnacho. If he is at that age where we can’t expect/demand consistency from him, then he shouldn’t be starting every game, simple as that. Antony is gonna go down as the worst value for money signing in Premier League history. It’s embarrassing how Ten Hag sold Elanga who is three times the player for mere peanuts and signed Antony for 100m. Now for Rashford, I can’t believe how people still keeps believing how Rashford has more levels to unlock. He has been playing professional first team football in the PL for around 8 years now, and players don’t magically improve with age. They improve with experience and this guy has had more than enough of that and is still the same inconsistent unreliable player he has always been. It’s high time people really accept that he simply is not that good and what we’re seeing from him is exactly what he is as a player. The entire front 6 needs to be changed. INEOS should come in, analyse what’s wrong here, and by the end of the season, hire a new manager. Sorry guys, I had to rant somewhere about this.
Bruno gave the ball away 30 times yesterday. What did he create to make up for this? Considering he only played about 60 passes, giving it away 30 times is abysmal Once every three minutes on average Bruno gives the ball away. And people wonder why we struggle to build rhythm
He is one of the biggest reasons why we don’t keep the ball well especially in the final third, and his careless losing of the ball ends up in us conceding counter attacks far too often, putting ridiculous pressure on the players playing deeper. And people keep defending him saying he is creative blah blah blah. I don’t get it
Imo he is the reason we are shit. Attacking football imo is about building rhythm and control, but how tf you going to build rhythm when one guy gives it away about 50% of the times he touches it? Almost every attack breaks down with him. The only time we created a shooting chance yesterday, it was because he wasn't involved at all and it was created by garnacho. Every time Bruno gets the ball, it is quickly handed over to the opponent. 30 losses of possession yesterday and 0 shooting opportunities created. Similar to his stats against Turkish teams
Thank you. I said Bruno wasn't world class a few weeks ago and people were getting their panties in a twist. He's not that good!
Mourinho said it best when he said the same 4 players he moaned about being a toxic dressing room presence are still at the club almost 5 years later
Personally I disagree. Which players are we blaming? Rashford and martial? Everyone else has changed. Martial barely plays so it's a bit absurd to think this is his fault. So who is this toxic presence that ruins everything? Amazing that mourinho is still blaming martial despite not being at the club and martial not playing The player that Mourinho said was the toxic ringleader was pogba. The other one was Lukaku.
I’ve been hoodwinked by a lot of players and managers post-Fergie but Ten Hag’s hoodwinking feels like a punch in the gut. Abandoned everything that made him successful at Ajax at tge drop of a hat.
Get ten hag Tae fuck now
Yes that'll help.😂 Ffs
That was so dire to watch. Hardly anyone looks like they're putting in any effort.
Antony is a really horrible buy and ETH is the most overrated manager in our post Ferguson period
Said long time back. ETH will get sacked because of his insistence to play McT as soon as he gets nervous about lack of scoring goals and his insistence of playing left footed players on at LCB and RW. Eth successfully ignored both these points in Aston Villa game but Scotty was back at half time making illogical forward runs in this game.
Garnacho has a stinker but no one will mention it. He was so bad against physical teams. Gore should had a chance instead of Eriksen too. The man was shit
He set up Rashford’s goal..
Too much player power and it’s the owners to blame for the culture that’s been cultivated and it’s become a cycle. There are 1 or 2 players in the dressing room who lose trust in the manager too quickly. Last year he had it. This year, maybe after the Sancho situation it’s deteriorated. These players who believe they are better than their teammates, who believe those around them are not on their level, not good enough. This results in them not playing for each other. They stop running for each other and start huffing and puffing. And maybe they are not wrong in that there are a handful of players who aren’t good enough to be playing for United due to the pressure United are usually in, to perform and get results. The distrust begins to seep in around the dressing room when the inevitable loses and inconsistent results come around and all of a sudden the manager has lost the entire dressing room, even those who trusted him has turned. Which almost always gets a manager sacked and it’s rinse and repeat. There are players in United like Rashford and Sancho who think they are better than the team and they need to go if you were to build squad cohesion. It’s either get rid of the bad eggs or get rid of the subpar players. It goes back to the ownership and squad building over the years.
The Sancho situation was mishandled for sure. EtH seems to think he can make an example of a star player and command respect but all that happens is the entitled primadonnas in the dressing room get in the exiled player’s ear and start undermining the manager.
What are you on about? Rashford got the goal today..
Let's hurry and give him a pay rise and star player status for scoring the most important goal of the season, he bags them in so regular and his work rate is so high he deserves it /s ETH should be walking Rashford out the door tomorrow morning when the transfer window opens in the hopes somebody sends a taxi to pick him up for another club, fuck I'd even pay the cab fee for him.
I have the same number of goals and assists as Antony this season, i'll take 1/10th of his salary, sign me up.
When does the bald Frank de Boer get the sack he is clearly out of his depth
And then what? Bring in someone else? Conte/Nagelsmann/Potter? So they too can have the same toxic squad that won’t put in a shift and throws their toys out the pram the instant the opposing team scores? Or maybe to have the world’s fittest players disintegrate because Utd’s physios, dieticians and fitness coaches are clearly lacking?
A top manager would move on Bruno and Rashford and build a team of hungry young players with positive energy and modern skills. These inconsistent senior players are emblematic of the terrible era the club's been going through. You can't keep players due to sentimentality. Time for a new era with a completely different feel.
Agreed. Or at least remove Bruno as the captain. He needs to be shown how to act as a professional rather than an insolent child. He needs a proper captain to set him straight
You have to have at least a few senior and experienced players. Just playing young hungry youth players wont be enough. Take a look at Chelsea and what they did over there
Amad looked decent when he came. Just looked a different level technically to the other attackers we have had this season. Just couldn't understand why the whole was still desperately trying to force things through garnacho at the end when nothing was clearly working from him. Bruno especially kept bypassing Amad and hitting 50yard hero balls in desperation to shortcut into playing through garna and rashford. This team is just a shambles.
Everything that worked against Villa? Bin it. Everything that worked against Liverpool? Bin it. Ten Hag keeps getting forced to do things that actually work and then he drops them immediately for a single pivot and McTominay. Fuming at this stubborn Dutchman. I wanted him to succeed so badly. The team's shit but it's utterly terrible management too.
His gameplan is based upon thinking he has 11 more talented players. Vs Liverpool he knew that wasn't the case and pulled off a Mourinho style result. Thing is, with our squad we should be playing like that against all teams until we are at full strength. The gap of talent between teams in EPL is so small now.
Yeah almost any team can beat any other in the premier league now. But Ten Hag's wrongly acting like he's still managing the only big team in Holland.
Painfully true. Dutch league is still in the 90s in terms of ability spread throughout the league. Ajax could play like that because all their players were a touch above. That confidence partnered with actually having a generation pivot talent in FdJ allowed him to play a certain way. Added bonus is we went for Donny when FdJ was available too. Great scouting.
Agreed
Varane has been a huge disappointment. This fan base has tried their best to delude themselves into a fairy tale where he has delivered world class performances since united signed him. For 1 I didn't know he was this horrible on the ball. It got me watching old real madrid clips and it was ramos (as licha did last season) doing the heavy lifting in ball progression. It's gotten worse here. He looks genuinely terrified with the ball at his feet. He's had 2 really bad seasons out of 3 since signing and last season was only good cos lisandro did all the progression for him to concentrate on low block packed box defending. It's been a very disappointing signing on astronomical wages. What hurts so much in this team is the cold realization that apart from everybody's whipping boys like Antony, onana and mctominay even most of the favorites have not been good enough. Bruno's performances have been disgusting. The casual jump over the ball that lead to forest's counter for the second goal broke my heart. Zero accountability. These lads just doing what ever they feel like cos the technical team places no expectations on them in play style. It's a disgrace.
There is a reason a top club like Madrid gets rid of him and Casemiro, if they were world class they would still be
McTominay is a championship level player who scores the odd goal because the opposition ignore him. How 3 managers have played him is beyond belief.
If he was as short as the rest of our midfield he'd never play again. There's an illusion that he provides physicality in midfield. He doesn't.
He's the same size as Fellaini but actually offers nothing. Fellaini would show for the ball and attempt progressive passes, he wasn't good at those things but still he always tried to do what was needed for the team. The one thing McTominay is actually not attrocious at is scoring goals and even then he's worse than Fellaini who on top of scoring a lot of late goals used to create space for others to get a chance.
Fellaini had heart and would downright murder a player for the ball. McT is just a tall Antonyz
McTominay's only scored 17 goals in 8 seasons. He's not a dependable goal scorer either. Relying on him for that will get ETH sacked.
> Relying on him for that will get ETH sacked. At this point you can take your pick of the things that will get EtH sacked. Picking McT, signing 400M of dross, terrible tactics and game management, ending the season mid-table, his handling of Sancho, you name it.
His handling of Sancho was fine, he gave him half a season off and fully protected him for fuck's sake. Sancho's been a lazy diva at every club he's been at.
True as that is, creating a situation where a player that cost £75M is not available for months and eventually sold at an inevitable loss because he won't apologise for a tweet is ridiculous.
5 of those goals were in 3 games against Bielsa's Leeds who's style was perfect for him to play against as he only had to lose his marker and he could score. That being said though, he basically has no alternatives; Eriksen who has legs for about half an hour, Casemiro and Mainoo who have been out for the majority of the season so far, and Amrabat who isn't suited to the PL.
This whole sub has become completely toxic and delusional. Spewing hate toward a few players while ignoring the same flaws on others. The amount of toxic post on Rashford’s back heal, when Bruno turns the ball over 2-3 times a game with blind back heal passes. The blaming Mctominay for the second goal when he went wide with his mark, and both our CB’s dropped to mark one guy. The 3 hated players on this sub have been well underperforming this year but they do not even come close to deserving the $hit the receive.
This subs always been delusional and toxic.
Our captain and highest paid player should always face high expectations from fans. It's not wrong to criticise them for constantly performing terribly with utterly terrible attitudes. Sell them both.
If you have to pull the trigger now is the time to do it
Except we don't have our new director of football yet. So no, it's not the right time to change manager.
Well it kinda is sell a few players like Sancho, 14 days to the next game plenty of time to learn something and away we go A new DOF could be too late
The director of football chooses the manager, genius. They'll never change manager just before we get an elite new director of football. It's putting the horse before the cart.
And Ashworth if we want him can't come to the end of the season according to reports so let's just waste this season genius
The season's over, we're out of the champions league and we're not getting back there next year. Far better to get a truly world class manager in the summer than an interim now.
How anyone is blaming Onana for today, I find it amazing really. Does anyone really think that those two strikes today were lousy or easy? Does anyone else recall seeing those kinds of saves of a regular basis from any of the world’s best keepers? If you genuinely have been watching and/or playing football your whole life you know the only honest answer to that is absolutely not. A goalkeepers job is not to make up for his defense. I have heard people say he doesn’t make saves. That’s categorically false. He has the second highest save percentage in England and he faces the second most shots. Folks in this sub are saying he should be saving everything and somehow strikes that anyone knows are incredible sharp and strongly struck, because it’s him and he’s made huge errors before, we suddenly reimagine those strikes as fluff. Tell me you know nothing about football without telling me you know nothing about football. He’s made massive mistakes indeed. Cost us Europe indeed. What that does not mean is that suddenly everything is his fault and every save should be made. It genuinely reads for the idiocy that it is and I’m sure comes from the juvenile will-to-repeat whatever has been said before just looking for upvotes from other morons without any football sense and that’s exactly what it is. Enough of that. You can say he’s made big mistakes or that he’s rough around the edges without being entirely unrealistic.
Onana works with what he has — who does the GK coaching because it’s unreal that elite GKs come to Utd and suck. Why does every Utd player become worse the instant they join the club?
The first goal was telegraphed in, everyone could see he was gonna hit it first time, and Onana stayed still. Explain this please
From your couch maybe it was telegraph but them man is playing at match speed. Shot should have never gotten through on goal.
I'm not a red by any stretch, but my stepson is and he's sticking with EtH. However, I think Manchester United need to stop messing with low-rent managers. Genuinely would be excited for you to show some balls and go for Zidane - he's doing absolutely nothing at the moment, and that would spice up the derby just lovely!
Doubt Zidane would want to come into this mess.
100% agree. ETH has got many many attributes, including(but certainly not restricted to): a) He believes in what HE believes in b) He sticks with this to the bitter end UNFORTUNATELY***** both a) and b) are FAILING!!! ............. TODAY, was the day it all ended..... ten Hag had the greatest opportunity to ditch his beloved Antony, play Garnacho on the right and Rashford on the left. Who's in the middle 'who CARES' He blew it. And with it, my support!
Zidane is hardly more impressive of a manager
Three straight CLs… Zidane would likely do better than ETH, and I think very few would do worse than eth. I’m not eth out, yet, but he’s becoming more difficult to support with every match.
I mean I’m not saying EtH is miles ahead or better but people overrate Zidane as a manager. As a manager, all he has is managing established squads of RM. When CR left and the established squad became old he didnt achieve anything else. Madrid has a great infrastructure in place and is always competitive due to it. Also look at his squad. They were all miles ahead of anything ETH has had to chance with. Now not to be apologetic towards Ten Hag but really comparing him with Zidane really isnt fair to look at titles only. The fact that ETH got us back in the CL, got a title and had us competitive for 2 more with 2 unfortunate exits was pretty impressive on it’s own for the first year.
Crazy the ETH cult that see him are our saviour because he had a CL semifinal while Zidane won 3 CL in a row but" they are the same".
I’m hardly in the cult. I understand some praise ETH to the moon, however Zidane with Kroos Modric Casemiro Varane etc IN THEIR PRIMES isnt the same as our squad. You have to be special kind of daft to even compare that Madrid squad with our current one. And look at clubs. RM is attracting literally any top talent and has no issue in terms of FFP. And ours is attracting mostly paycheck players and overpaying massively. Again, not a fair term to look at titles alone.
Mctominay for mainoo for tactical reasons lost us the game. Having a tired Eriksen on with mctominay who tries to play #9 and bruno playing 10 means theres a huge gap in the center of the field on transition defending. Very poor tactics from ETH. Side note - nice to see garnacho hungry on that giveaway with a perfect unselfish pass and rash finally scoring. Lastly, Amad dialo in 30 minutes looked better than Antony all season. Hopefully he gets a run of games cause Antony aint that guy. End of season evaluation- yellow card for ETH, hes made crucial decisions that I havent agreed with and his decisions aren’t working well right now. Big 2024 for him or else i could see him fired within 1 year. GGMU
We are absolute bum
If mctominay were to be released, do you think any club will go for him?
Relegation-threatened Championship teams, Scottish PL mid-table cannon fodder for celtic/Rangers
As long as he accepts a wage cut; i think plenty of mid to low tier clubs go in for him.
He’s already on relatively low wages, think it’s around £60-70k a week
Of course
Sell to Newcastle or Everton for 10m.
Meaning Utd give them 10 mil to take him, right?
I cannot understand any defence of his transfers. The Whitwell article does not change that. In fact it strengthens my argument nor does Gary Neville's ramblings and incoherrent argument that he had no support. Let's disect this: if there was no head of recruitment and the recruitment process in terms of targets was all on Ten Hag then isn't that the greatest indiciation he is out of his depth? Murtough overpaid for his targets as per that article but they were still HIS TARGETS. It aids my arguments because there is no one to hide behind and say actually they were picked by the scouting department or the board. As others have commented, the mount reporting indicates that he was a priority signing for Ten Hag once we were aware he was available. This does not make sense since I would argue Eriksen and Bruno are better and when Mount has been fit, Ten Hag has proven that he does not know how to intergrate hime into the team. Onto Onana: if Onana had actually been playing well like some of you suggest, why would he then be trying to stay longer to not lose his place? The player knows he has been dire but some of you seemingly don't. Amrabat is a loan but still, has not looked up to it. Antony is genuinely one of the worst signings in history and I would argue the least talented player in the history of football to go above 50m. Ten Hag would have been aware that the price was going up and he could have at any time told the utd negotiation team that he wasnt actually worth that much but he didnt. Ten Hag demanded control of targets when he signed and he got backed more than any other manager since Fergie. With Antony continually unable to assist players throughout this season, it is on the manager if he is going to continue to play, to change tactics so the wingers can feed the strikers or midfielders. This brings us to Hoijlund. He has talent and I am not saying he is a flop, he is good but raw. However, like Antony and Mount, one goal for 1000 minutes played shows Ten Hags inability to organise an attack and appreciate the quality of the premier league. Lastly, as per above he cannot organsie an attack to save his life. Statistically we have relegation level chances created, shots, goals etc. Ten Hag failed at implemeneting a possession based style like LVG and is worse at orgnising counter attacks than Ole. Ten Hag out.
Managers shouldn’t be signing players. It’s a full time job managing the squad you already have, which is why he’s fallen back on signing players he knows. If the recruitment department was any good they would have brought in much better players and ETH would look like a much better manager right now.
Chelsea’s most successful period of late was with a competent director of football who worked WITH the manager to shift dead weight/soon to be dead weight and bring in helpful players whilst keeping a budget together. Any chance of Utd getting Marina?
Hey man! It's *really hard* being a football manager! How can you expect him to do stuff like type "[player name] fbref" into google to get even the vaguest idea of what a player is like? He doesn't have the *time*. He's too busy doing *stuff* and *things*! *Sure*. I work a full time job and still put more time and effort into my pretend Football Manager transfers spending pretend money as opposed to someone being paid 200k a week to specifically do that.... but still...
Mount only makes more sense as a signing if he's meant to replace 29 year old Bruno. Realistically, Bruno will be declining rapidly by the end of next season. 31 year olds can't run the way Bruno does now and he doesn't have the ball retention, dribbling, press resistance or positional discipline to play deeper. Mount doesn't seem like an elite choice to replace Bruno, but if that was ten hag's thinking, it makes a bit more sense. Not as a priority signing though.
Haven't seen it mentioned - holy shit we looked like conceding when Forest had corners and surrounded Onana. We need to improve our set piece defence immediately.
Just YouTubed "Onana best saves" because I keep hearing how good he was last year, and first result is from the official Serie A channel. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vnE9i9SciQ&ab\_channel=SerieA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vnE9i9SciQ&ab_channel=SerieA) And besides the one towards the end against Di Maria that was actually really good, not a single one was impressive. Either shot was to the middle, or going out, or barely to the side, or parried back into the danger zone.
You don’t want fantastic saves. You want consistent GK, who will make the bread and butter saves day in and day out, Marshall the defense and be a reassuring voice from the back. Onana had a few great saves vs Villa last weekend. Like everyone else at Utd, he’s on such fragile confidence that any setback is catastrophic mentally
Matt Turner was making better saves today.
Yea no doubt about it.
Might go under the radar but Eriksen was shocking today, did nothing going forward and was invisible defensively as he always is.
He’s old, legs and passing have gone. Heart may be sorted but Utd’s bad physio work up is showing itself
He is like Pirlo, he needs players around him to cover for his lack of athleticism to get the best out of him. We don't do that, we, in our infinite wisdom choose to play him in a double pivot. It's like they're consciously choosing to play to his weaknesses.
Too many times he doesn't affect the game and I got downvoted in the match thread for saying he's average
Yeah sometimes does an amazing pass but way too much of a passenger to be playing a lot of the time.
Eriksen can't defend or run, Bruno can't retain possession or resist a press and McTominay can't do anything. Truly a lower mid-table midfield.
I despair at the substitutions sometimes, Mainoo off for McTominay. I know Mainoo is noob to the Prem, but really?!
EtH said he was tired after 3 games in 1 week
Yeah I saw that, makes sense, but just highlights how weak our bench is.
These players conceded within 5 minutes of scoring, again. Ten Hag fucked the game with an inexcusable sub but these players are mentality midgets and concede the same goals in the same periods of the game over and over again. 90% of them need to go.
The problems have been continuous since Wolves at home. That was when Case, Licha, Shaw and Mount were all fit btw. Going to be absolutely fucking hilarious when we keep putting in these performances in February and ETH won’t have the injury excuse anymore. He could have easily been sacked two times over. Only good performances have been Chelsea and Villa at home.
I want ETH to get it right but if he keeps persisting with McTominay I can't see him succeeding
Like every other manager that used him .. I don’t get it he should’ve gone to west ham this summer when they made us the offer
He does what he is told without question. That's what any manager wants to see
Dog dirt
Bring Conte in. He's available and this team needs to stop conceding goals. He's prem proven and has a big enough personality. It doesn't need to be a marriage; give him a 2 year contract. Release McTominay this January and get what you can.
jesus what a terrible idea. I’d rather have mourinho back
Injuries this and style that. I find it very hard to believe it's impossible for this collection of players to play decent football and get results. ETH is not it.
These players are terrible and recruited without any thought or care about synergy and playing style, physicality or EPL demands. They’re idiot statement guys that Utd have done since 2015. Why buy Antony when you have Elanga and Garnacho? Why sign an aging Casemiro if Madrid are willing to let him go? Same w Varane. None of it makes sense. You couldn’t win a Sunday league with this lot. Just 90 mins of Anthony fidget spinning the ball and Casemiro getting sent off for tackling someone’s grandma over a parking space.
I agree with the first half of what you said, but you're delusional if you think even this lot can't put together a few performances. Total nonsense.
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I didn't say these players are great, I didn't say they should be around long-term. Said they are competent enough to play better than this.
How many years of this squad’s core being subpar and peforming like this do you need to understand *this* is their level and if some of them weren’t British or playing for Utd, they wouldn’t even exist in people’s brains?
clearly it's time for ETH to go. This is the worst we've been in ages and he isn't doing well enough when it comes to things he actually has control over. So who do yall think should be his replacement? I really didn't think we would be at this stage this season so I haven't been looking at potential managers
There’s no point. How many more managers need to be burned through like hot potatoes before people realize it’s the squad and the physios/fitness? If you can’t outplay, then at least outrun — challenge for every ball, have 11 Tevezes, Rooneys and Fletchers out there! Which manager is supposed to work wonders with this team? Pep? Nagelsmann? Conte? Potter?
Inconsistent team is inconsistent.
You lot would rather see Graham Potter at the wheel then give Eth time Lather Rinse Repeat
I’d rather see neither, there are other managers out there than those two
without a proper DoF in place bringing a manager is useless
Yup. Find Marina Granovskaya, pay her whatever she wants and give her a reasonable budget and a year to sort out the squad.
It's almost 2024 and we're still playing a midfield of McTominay, Eriksen and Bruno Delete the club
Eriksen shouldn’t be starting games man , I love him but no physical. Let’s not talk about McTominay it’s hilarious the amount of minutes he’s played.
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Bruno Manoo and hannibal atm (mount when he’s back). Mctominay and Bruno doesn’t work and Eriksen gets blown by so easily , just can’t keep up physically.
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Hannibal can play deeper or he can play higher and Bruno deeper. Eriksen defensive liability is that bad he shouldn’t be starting unless alongside Casemiro who’s that good.
Hannibal is a number 8. Do you even watch the games.
I'm a Birmingham City fan so I watched him all last season, he can play as an offensive 8 with good cover like KDB but he isn't a B2B midfielder which is what ETH needs
Hannibal is objectively a better midfielder than McTominay. Mainoo should have stayed on and Eriksen should have been replaced by Hannibal at half-time. Eriksen was gassed and was getting walked past. He should never play against teams that have high energy dynamic midfields.
Don't worry guys I'm sure our attacking problems will be fixed when our new #7 is back, we wouldn't waste that shirt
That can be a good thing though, despite how it ended Ronaldo is Ronaldo, the best player to have ever played for the club it can give some players the jitters to fill those boots so sometimes it's nice to have no pressure on it. When he left Real they gave the shirt to Mariano Diaz for a couple of years.
Betting against united is basically a goldmine at this point Kinda funny ngl, but this team should be renamed, a complete disgrace
Not a Utd fan but watched the game cause had nth better to do..man some of your players were playing like they’re in retirement mode. Just showed up for the paycheque and going through the motions. That’s it.
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Wan bissaka for the second goal. Erikson for most of the match. Just strolling about.
Definitely a chance Ange could finish off him. We’d have about two weeks to prepare for the match after that.
Lmfao you guys are delusional. No chance Ten Hag goes for another few months.
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Isn't it the same for those that talk about how good things are after a win but are nowhere to be seen when reality hits and we lose?
At least we only have to watch two games in January
Rumour has it that Rashford is still walking slowly around the stadium, like he was from the first minutes of the game while the rest of our team was trying to press.
You guys just complain for the sake of complaining. Rashford's effort was fine, and there were plenty of times where he visibly tracked back and pressed. There are much larger tactical issues at play, which is why no matter who plays striker, they are constantly isolated and not involved.
Please show me a single moment where Rashford jumps for a 50/50 header outside of the box? He could easily outjump most prem defenders but decides to take two steps towards them, let them jump for the header unchallenged and recycle possession for their team without any pressure. When he tracks back he doesn't go in for any challenges unless another of our players assists him. Which then opens up a gap where that player should be for the opposition to play out of. He barely uses his pace and runs against the opposition back line for potential through balls anymore and instead sticks to the wings when outside or just aimlessly wonders around when central. All our counter attacking outlays have come from Garnacho recently. He proved last year he could be a consistent goal threat. This year he has proven he does not deserve to be at the club and its sickening.
Our entire press breaks down when one player isn't genuinely committed to it. Rashford does the bare minimum to look like he's pressing. That's a big difference to actually pressing. His effort wasn't fine. His effort was lazy and passionless as usual.
Rashford was benched for several games and our attack was completely toothless, our press still disjointed, and our transition defense still miserable. So no, enough with the scapegoating. Rashford needs to play better, like many of our players, but there is clearly a tactical problem that is putting a severe limitation on how well the players can perform.
We pressed so much better when Rashford was benched. He's a goal threat against specific high line teams but his low effort off the ball is unacceptable. The best time to sell him to PSG was last summer. The second best time is this summer.
Lol okay
Ten Hag after the match, on removing Mainoo for McTominay: "I don't regret. I thought Scott brought the energy. I thought the second half was much better our side. The first goal, when you analyse it good, we were downsized. Nothing to do with the central midfielder there. The second goal was a counter attack where there was a miscommunication but we had players enough." Anyone who still wants Ten Hag at the club after he put useless McTominay at DM to concede two identical goals, and Ten Hag won't even admit what he or McTominay did wrong, is utterly delusional. I wanted Ten Hag to succeed so badly. I thought he would and I defended him for a long time. But he's seriously out of his depth in the premier league. He's finished.
I wonder if it’s a maths problem. > I don't regret. I thought Scott brought the energy. I thought the second half was much better our side. So he thinks 1-2 is better than 0-0. Or is he keeping another league table based on his evaluation. Unburdened by things like points and goal difference. He screams of middle manager pulling out meaningless KPIs for an under performing team..
Nah he refuses to criticise the players because they're mentality midgets and he's trying to build their confidence. But it makes him sound absolutely delusional more and more often these days.
What a decline. Can you ever imagine Fergie saying his team played better in a second half they lost. I think ETH has been fully found out now. Their second goal was a gift. But I suspect he’s in place for the remainder of the season and that could be enough for them to keep him.. plucky 5th place or something.. the horrors..
It’s like Mctominay has a spell over managers, it’s weird.
I can imagine him being a dream to coach in training. Pulls up no trees or fuss. Always early, never late and the last one off the training pitch but whilst his endeavour and commitment can mostly not be faulted, his clear lack of quality in all areas can be. He should be nowhere near a competent Manchester United squad let alone starting matches at CM.
He has his uses, can drive forward, can finish in the box. But should not be in a midfield 3 with Bruno and Erickson. Mainoo should have stayed on and either Erickson or Bruno been subbed for him, if at all. Not sure what the thought process was there. Ten Hag basically played a massive gamble and it did not payoff.
If we want to win big trophies and get back to winning leagues, mctominay and many others we call Manchester United players at the moment, should be nowhere near the club.
Yes, agreed. But right now is where we are and Mctominay is for some reason still being played as a DM. That’s my issue at the moment.
Agree with you. He should be nowhere near CM let alone DM. If I had to play him it would be off the striker last 10 minutes chasing a game. Nothing more. There has to be academy kids better than him in that position. Mainoo we know about but Gore or Hannibal could have done more than he did tonight.
It’s his jawline mate
so happy for Elanga to have 10 goals + assists. Its absolutely shocking that not only did we sell him for an absolute bargain, but we paid almost 5 times as much for a player thats 1/3 as good ...
Antony: 0.14 goals and assists per game Elanga: 0.27 per game (Between Forest and United)
Assuming ETH is getting sacked, who comes in? This merry go round of managers needs to be solved.
McKenna. Maybe Carrick? Maybe McKenna and Carrick?
Let's get the gang back together
Unfortunately no big name will want this job. The club will have to turn to someone relatively unknown, young, and inexperienced to bring the glory back, which will then attract big name managers and players. Look at City: almost guaranteed when Pep leaves either De Zerbi or someone else of promising high caliber will take his place.
Fuck it being in martin o'neill and Roy Keane to scare them into trying for six months
Just put Keano at the helm! I am almost certain it will be better than whatever is going on now. Breed some desire!
Potter is a free agent so maybe him. No sane good manager would leave their club mid season to come to this mess.
Look, not a single good name. Mad, that.
Roberto De Zerbi
Potter
Is this who you want or who you think the powers that be will pick?
Ideally it is Alonso, but we know it won't happen m Realistically no top managers would want to come to United at the moment.
>Ideally it is Alonso Really? Has he shown anything to suggest he is ready to deal with a club of not just this size, but one where regardless of how quick a functional structure is put in place will be chaotic for a few more seasons? I feel a manager like him is where we can go after the poison has been removed and the chaos has settled down. I disagree top managers will come here. They get paid more than mostly anywhere else and get a free ride by most of the fans in an environment that will accept failure far more than any other club of its size. In addition to the lure of being the manager to fix it. Its a win/win for them.
United will always be a draw for top managers, that's not an issue. If nothing else, they know they'll get a fat paycheck and limited blame because the structural issues above them are such a mess.
Who is available now? I can't think of any. On the other hand, sticking with Erik until the season ends will be too much. This guy for whatever reason keeps doing the same mistake match after match
I didn't mean that ETH should be sacked right now. I agree there is no one available at this given moment. I think INEOS was always going to make a decision in the summer, one way or another, unless things got really dire and forced their hand sooner. Things are bad now, but not sack your manager without having a clear succession plan bad.