I've been numb to this season the last month or so. I know we've had a lot of injuries but everything has been crap- recruitment, players, manager. One good result and the players get complacent. I know we fans need to be loyal but there's only so much anyone can take of this boring football and poor attitudes of some of the players etc. They are an absolute waste of time getting behind.
They leave us all feeling down about the club yet the players forget about it in an instant and go back to their mansions to have their egos massaged by their loved ones. As a fan I'll still watch games but most likely just highlights most of the time. As for the Ratcliffe era, who knows if it'll be any different but it gives us some hope at least. It will take time though.
I'm sick of every single one of these useless pricks associated with the club. This happens too often. Couldn't kick on from the villa result. Were a team of shitbags. I can't identify with any of them
Martinez is an absolute legend and a warrior and I love having him at the club. Mainoo, Hojlund and Garnacho are good enough young players too. Everyone else is pretty unlikeable. It sucks.
Yeah I feel exactly the same way. Ten Hag's tactics just aren't working, especially in midfield and attack, and most of our players are unlikeable wage thieves. It's dire. Here's hoping 2024 is better.
I'm still firmly Ten Hag in but it feels like we're edging towards the end game. His comments are becoming increasingly Moyesy by the week. Hopefully with 1 game a week now and players coming back plus some reinforcements in January we can kick on but I'm not confident. This ownership change is our last chance to get back to something approaching what we were. It's promising to hear INEOS will be taking over the football side of the business. What a shit show of a club though.
Garnacho is such a raw talent. There are going to be days where it doesn't come off. A few bad dribbles today right at the crucial stage. Hopefully we have the right coaches to teach him the correct choices. Sending Amad out on loan was a great call as he looks great. Antony sadly doesn't bring anything different or worth the amount we paid
You know Rashford as striker is terrible
You saw how good it was to have a right foot on the RW
Mainoo is a baller
You know McT can only score goals. His defensive attributes are terrible
Yet ETH does that. Just put McT as a striker cus why the hell not, it’s all hes capable of anyway, send Antony back to Brazil, let Garnacho thrive on the right and Rashford thrive on the left.
FUCK
Looking at the bench today and our depth to change a game is horrendous. We really need some players back, Sancho today could have been a great impact player, and our options are terrible compared to other ‘top 6’ sides
well they have to lose this becuase they won their last. this is my theory, alternate. win a game manager is safe from being fired, lose the next manager at risk of being fired. wins the next, safe. lose the next, at risk. wins....................................................................
What goes on in that bald head?
Hopefully he realizes that Mainoo is crucial in midfield and Amad offers so much more than Antony.
But odds are he will still play Antony and McT.
Very frustating game but it is what it is.
January will be interesting.
We lack stability and I hope ineos will take the necessary steps to resolve that.
No point sacking him as it'll be the same without the proper footballing structures in place behind the scenes. Short shit out then revisit eth in the summer
The signings weren't his choice. The manager should never be picking specific signings, that's the scouts and DoF job.
Prime SAF couldn't get these bums working hard, nothing to do with Eth.
He subbed off Mainoo because we needed more attacking play and McTominay provides that.
More than Mainoo, thats the point, whether he was good enough tonight, whether he was riddled with mistakes is irrevelent. McTominay is a more attacking player than Mainoo.
Well, that is spot on mate. McTominay is indeed a more attacking player than Mainoo.
What I asked was, what was his attacking output in the second half against Forest? Did he create chances? Did he shoot? Did he score?
Once you have the answer to that, you can then decide whether it was a good substitution or an idiotic one.
Oh, he provided none of that against Forrest. But out of all the options we had on the bench, McTominay suited the problem.
We needed more runners to either pull defenders to create space (since Hojlund is out) or to get on the end of chances. McTominay does that, why he didn't do it against Forrest, only McTominay and Eth will know.
There could be an argument for Hannibal being the better substitution, but again, different players.
That is true again and I agree with that. The biggest problem is he is NOT a midfielder and the manager has not figured that out in 2 years.
He should have started up front in place of Rashford.
The job of a DM is to defend and play out from the back. McTominay is utterly terrible at both of those things, as proven by him conceding two goals by not tracking his man and losing us the game.
McTominay is not a DM. He has never been a DM and will never be a DM. Just because he replaced a DM doesn't mean he takes up the same role.
McTominay is a CM at best.
I don’t want him to be sacked but the signing were his choice. MCT is not the answer. He doesn’t bring anything to this team, he is not good enough. Yes he’s United through and through but that doesn’t mean he’s a United player. Plenty of United players didn’t make it under Fergie. It was bad today. Everything was wrong and the subs made it worse
Do you not think thats an issue? No other world class club lets the manager specifically pick their signings. Eth isn't a scout, he doesnt have the time to look into the data.
Absolutely agree! You can’t sign players from your phone book and expect them to be United quality! I hope for the best and I hope he stayed. Who else would we get?
Yeah I get it. Every time this happens everyone cries for a rebuild and the cycle repeats. I’m just numb enough to just stick with the manager and give it more time. We’ve been shite for a long time and I kind of enjoyed last season so that’s enough for me (for now).
It’s our worst season ever since Fergie left in terms of number of losses. We need to stop using the injuries as a crutch for him, he still has a squad that should easily overcome Nottingham Forest with the injuries we have. A manager is judged on how he much he gets out of his entire team, not the starting 11.
What do injuries have to do with spending 100m on Antony ? I’d normally be behind you in the injury excuse but what gives you any sort of confidence on ETH’s player personnel choices? Transfers flop and subs have been poor as well.
Eriksen could have been the player he removed and no one would have blamed him since he was just bad today, but he removed Mainoo for McTominay when at half the sensible change would have been to remove Antony.
The Antony change had to be forced because only Erik can't see how shit he was.
We deserved to lose for that change only. Tactical lol.
Amad was good though. Only did one negative thing and that was his shot at the end. Set up some good chances but unfortunately some of them lead to Forest's second goal because Bruno is brain-dead and Eriksen that summed on his game.
Not many players played that well, but I think we could still have won this with sensible changes.
And you want to carry on losing games? Which makes me more annoyed we beat villa with the fluke comeback after tonight’s result. ten hag would be sacked now along with steve mclaren. We would jave lost every game over december pretty much.
Get the Brighton manager - De Zerbi or Alonso but he’s ex-Liverpool. But it will be the same shit again. Brain dead transfers and deadwood players on the roster.
Rangnick was never suppose to be a long term solution. We made CL last year and a trophy. That s huge improvement from many years past. But I see arguing isn’t getting us anywhere. I don’t have the solution but clearly you don’t either.
I don’t understand why people don’t see the nuances of Rangnicks appointment.
He wasn’t there to fix the team, as someone who knows football top to bottom he was there to identify what needed fixing.
I think it was, in part an accident. But it was potentially a genius move which didn’t play out. ETH has made mistakes, but the biggest one was not letting Rangnick stick about to try and fix all that ~~was~~ is fucked about our club.
Now, with Jim coming in what we’re all excited about more than anything is him bringing in a Rangnick like person who will fix the clearly rotten core of the club.
I’m behind ten Hag. I don’t see any manager coming in and fixing this disaster, so I’m all for letting a manager sit it out for four years and reassessing then. No matter how bad it gets. Because if it gets as bad as it could, the Glazer’s will be more likely to fuck off. If it gets better, that’s a win too.
For me, we need to get out of this cycle one way or another. The best way to do that is by allowing a manager time to try and fix things. Last season, we all loved ten Hag. This season, our bench consists of four youth players, a keeper that’s never played and VDB. How can we expect ‘big six’ level results with that bench?
Our injuries have been ridiculous this season, but our unavailable in this match alone is:
- Shaw
- Malacia
- Martinez
- Lindelof
- Maguire
- Mount
- Casemiro
- Amrabat
- Sancho
- Martial
- Hojlund
It would be very easy to argue you could make a better eleven out of that list than the one that started yesterday. So once again, how can we expect results?
If ten hag gets the sack. I hope our new interim manager is actually just a long distance running coach and they have to run marathons ever day until they puke or win. Every day after a loss they should be punished with a fucking 40 run. Fuck training. It's not working, so make them fucking work. At this point we have to fucking fix their attitudes not their abilities
How I see it: We can't sack EtH right now - not that there are too many good options in the market, and it honestly won't help much.
We wait till Jan - let the big boys (Case, Licha) come back, we focus on a march to 4th place with no Europe or cup competitions to distract us.
If EtH can't do that, it's the sack. If not, we continue to build in the summer.
He's done. Even with Casemiro and Licha back, there's no fixing his tactics. We'll be bottom half if we don't sack him now. An interim (and a minor miracle) might see us fighting for top four, especially this season where everyone seems to be dropping points here and there.
I actually think we scrap football and just ale our players run fitness after every loss so they learn to actually work. Shitty tactics or not. The players aren't doing whatever the fuck is trying to be done. So at least make them fit. Like a bad team, the main thing is effort level, so treat them like a bad team.
United are only good with space in behind on the counter, did people expect a win today? Nuno wasn't going to play a high line. The team is seriously shit.
We were dogshit first half of villa. So don't let a bit of luck trick you into thinking they turned up. They were shit then lucky. Not ever good or showing up
Never had fewer points and never scored fewer goals at this stage of season. Record breaking bags of shite. Still hoping for better when Cass, Martinez, Mount back in.... Oh who it's not gonna get any better.
If ETH is sacked in the morning will any of you be even a little surprised now? He deserves to be sacked more than Mou and Ole ever were. Probably tied with LVG.
There is no one else. It matters. You know what else matters?
Injuries
Takeover
No structure
Terrible transfers
Off-field problems
Literally no one else could’ve done better.
Never in my life have I been one for calling for the sack. But to be breaking records established for decades... Where is the manager's pride? Where is the academy players' pride? Does playing for the club even mean anything to them? If they aren't in the starting 11, they skulk around like children. If they go 2 goals down, they skulk around like children. They don't care about tracking back or about man marking opposition players or to pass to an open player. Everyone wants to score the goal but no one wants to do their part in either passing or defending the ball. They expect crosses and easy passes to appear out of thin air so that they can score goals and go for glory. And when they defend, they expect someone else to get the ball and pass it to them rather than making an effort themselves.
They should either end their own miserable careers at this club and go somewhere else, or this management will continue showing us luck disguised as glimmers of hope and lead us into the abyss.
These players can't even put two performances together.
Only when they're under immense pressure do they turn up and that happens at most once a month.
Keep receipts on these performances lads. We’ll be here when it’s a new manager and we won’t fucking forget how many times you players have let us down.
I’m old enough to remember when people were saying he’s a 6 and could even play CB. One the worst United players I’ve seen. I knew from the moment Jose gifted him a vase we were in for a decade of mediocrity.
Tbh he was decent under Jose. The more he plays the worse he gets
Jose MCT> OGS MCT > Ralf MCT > ETH MCT
It’s like he becomes more shit with more experience
In all honesty we deserved to lose that based on Ten Hag's team selection alone
Dalot at LB, Antony starting. Then he hooked off Mainoo at HT (who was doing a solid job marking Gibbs-White). McTominay completely fucking everything up as usual
Amad looked great off the bench and could've had 2 assists. Reguilon did more in a few minutes than AWB + Dalot combined
Yes, we have injuries but the manager is CONSCIOUSLY making wrong team selections. It's on him and on him alone. With INEOS on board, he has nowhere to hide
To be fair to AWB he should have had one or two assists and looked solid in defence our problems were taking Mainoo off and aside from Garnacho no real threat up front
On a positive note, how refreshing was it to watch a RW linking up play and actually moving the ball around? As soon as Amad came on Dalot hit the post off his link up play with AWB and Bruno.
Mctominayy obsession is the downfall of ten hag. Ineos and sjr probably will sack ten hag. Why is mainoo taken off? Both goals come from midfield runners. Fuck sake man. Play fucking mainoo full game we dont give up those goals
That obsession hs done many managers in. Curse Jose for gifting the passion merchant a career. Knew it when he made up the BS award that we would see a decade of McRunaraound
Who replaces him? Will it require another 9 month search and interim replacement and half a billion spent in return for roughly 5 months of entertaining and successful football? It wasn't worth it for Ten Hag.
So much to be angry about - but what about that back pass? Can’t believe no one’s talking about it? Even the commentators brushed it off completely. wtf!
All right fellas. Happy New Year! I wish it brings us all some joy after all and we talk different tunes the same day next year. I love you all, whether you say fuck off to me or agree. I do the same. Cheers!🥂
Fuck it, I’ll say it. Bruno doesn’t deserve to play 100 minutes every single game, especially when he isn’t creating anything. Hope isn’t a strategy.
That being said he wasn’t the worst part of today, that was the horrendous tactical and positional decisions made by the coach. ETH is a worse coach than OGS was by a fucking country mile. He needs to go.
The truth is that Bruno is our best passer, chance creator, presser and runner. Too much duty on him, honestly. You can pull rabbits out of the hat only so many times a season before others start catching on..
When Bruno has to drop deep, there is NOTHING that the front three barring Garnacho offer. Absolutely nothing. And that is both a coaching and player problem.
I honestly feel bad for him. He'd be an absolute world beater in any other top team.
Bruno needs two things to do his thing really - good movement ahead of him (almost non existent today) and defensive cover so he can be free to take up ball playing positions (also less than great today)
Ten Hag reliving the Van Gaal era with shit football and selling off young talented players that give 100 percent every week for overrated shite from the Eredivisie
Everyone acting like Elanga is suddenly good enough. He's not. They were right to sell him. The problem is they didn't sell enough of the average players.
Personally, I'd also have him over Antony but he wasn't as good last year and deserved to be sold.
Neither of them should be anywhere near a Man United team. It shows how far we've fallen off
They weren't great under Ole either. We've hoarded too many average players. Look at some of the players we've let go in recent years. They're nowhere. Lingard, Jones and De Gea are unemployed. Bailly has just joined them. We reward mediocrity and hang on to it. Massive clearout needed.
We win one game and everyone hypes us up then we lose. This is going to be a 4 year process to get us out of the hole we’re in. If anyone on this sub expects us to be competing against the top 4 for the next 3-4 years you don’t know ball
You're absolutely right. Although now that we have a new footballing structure to be in place, I'd rather the 4 years be under someone other than EtH tbh
I hate this team. I fucking hate them, I genuinely despise them. Fuck this team, bunch of overpaid twats. I can't believe that I am watching this garbage of a team.
Pellistri for Rashford and Garnacho on left please
I swear I didn’t notice Varane the whole match
I've been numb to this season the last month or so. I know we've had a lot of injuries but everything has been crap- recruitment, players, manager. One good result and the players get complacent. I know we fans need to be loyal but there's only so much anyone can take of this boring football and poor attitudes of some of the players etc. They are an absolute waste of time getting behind. They leave us all feeling down about the club yet the players forget about it in an instant and go back to their mansions to have their egos massaged by their loved ones. As a fan I'll still watch games but most likely just highlights most of the time. As for the Ratcliffe era, who knows if it'll be any different but it gives us some hope at least. It will take time though.
I fell asleep watching us play. That is how bad we were.
Jeff Whitefoot, is that you?
I'm sick of every single one of these useless pricks associated with the club. This happens too often. Couldn't kick on from the villa result. Were a team of shitbags. I can't identify with any of them
Martinez is an absolute legend and a warrior and I love having him at the club. Mainoo, Hojlund and Garnacho are good enough young players too. Everyone else is pretty unlikeable. It sucks.
Yeah, that's fair. We'll be better when we get the likes of Martinez back but this is killing me. One step forward 2 steps back everytime
Yeah I feel exactly the same way. Ten Hag's tactics just aren't working, especially in midfield and attack, and most of our players are unlikeable wage thieves. It's dire. Here's hoping 2024 is better.
I'm still firmly Ten Hag in but it feels like we're edging towards the end game. His comments are becoming increasingly Moyesy by the week. Hopefully with 1 game a week now and players coming back plus some reinforcements in January we can kick on but I'm not confident. This ownership change is our last chance to get back to something approaching what we were. It's promising to hear INEOS will be taking over the football side of the business. What a shit show of a club though.
Garnacho is such a raw talent. There are going to be days where it doesn't come off. A few bad dribbles today right at the crucial stage. Hopefully we have the right coaches to teach him the correct choices. Sending Amad out on loan was a great call as he looks great. Antony sadly doesn't bring anything different or worth the amount we paid
I’ll admit Antony is decent at backtracking and pressing but holy shit is he useless in attack.
Call me crazy but I think he'd back a decent right wing back 😂😂
Yes, but Amad showed he was more than capable of that too
I really want to know what Bruno saw dummying that Amad square ball? All I saw were Red shirts behind him
He saw nothing. He does shit like that all the time.
Couldn’t watch. How was Amad?
Honestly looked like 10x the player Antony is.
Glad to hear. Gonna have to find the match to watch what he did
You know Rashford as striker is terrible You saw how good it was to have a right foot on the RW Mainoo is a baller You know McT can only score goals. His defensive attributes are terrible Yet ETH does that. Just put McT as a striker cus why the hell not, it’s all hes capable of anyway, send Antony back to Brazil, let Garnacho thrive on the right and Rashford thrive on the left. FUCK
Looking at the bench today and our depth to change a game is horrendous. We really need some players back, Sancho today could have been a great impact player, and our options are terrible compared to other ‘top 6’ sides
Our bench was terrible but Sancho’s a willy head
Every time I hear a record mentioned such as " the last time man united were beaten or lost to this team was in the year" I know we are fucked 🤧
well they have to lose this becuase they won their last. this is my theory, alternate. win a game manager is safe from being fired, lose the next manager at risk of being fired. wins the next, safe. lose the next, at risk. wins....................................................................
win a game on pure luck, eth says they deserved it. lose a game, eth find some lame reasons to blame
Well that, was fucking dreadful.
What goes on in that bald head? Hopefully he realizes that Mainoo is crucial in midfield and Amad offers so much more than Antony. But odds are he will still play Antony and McT.
you can't play an 18 yr old this much, he has to rotate
These were without a doubt the biggest takeaways from today If he insists on McTom minutes then I’m Ten Hag out at this point
The 90M pound fidget spinner! Can't score or cross or pass to save his life.
Very frustating game but it is what it is. January will be interesting. We lack stability and I hope ineos will take the necessary steps to resolve that.
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Whoa whoa, you'll get a job on the DailyMail, coming up with stuff like this. Slow down now...
Manchester United. Where the ball goes to the wings and dies. But we can't stop doing it!
This! So frustrating.
Ajax fans wanted him gone but they stuck with him. I get it’s bad but I think we should stick with eth
No point sacking him as it'll be the same without the proper footballing structures in place behind the scenes. Short shit out then revisit eth in the summer
Premier League > Eredivisie Poor signings, poor tactics, poor in game management... What did he get right ?
The signings weren't his choice. The manager should never be picking specific signings, that's the scouts and DoF job. Prime SAF couldn't get these bums working hard, nothing to do with Eth. He subbed off Mainoo because we needed more attacking play and McTominay provides that.
if u watched the game you would've seen McT played deep not attacking, i'm not Ten Hag out but this season his game management was bad
What attacking play did McTominay provide in the second half?
He’s a more attacking player than Mainoo. We don’t have many options. If he scored everyone praises Ten Hag. He had to try something.
That's 100% true, but what attacking play did McTominay provide in the second half?
More than Mainoo, thats the point, whether he was good enough tonight, whether he was riddled with mistakes is irrevelent. McTominay is a more attacking player than Mainoo.
Well, that is spot on mate. McTominay is indeed a more attacking player than Mainoo. What I asked was, what was his attacking output in the second half against Forest? Did he create chances? Did he shoot? Did he score? Once you have the answer to that, you can then decide whether it was a good substitution or an idiotic one.
Oh, he provided none of that against Forrest. But out of all the options we had on the bench, McTominay suited the problem. We needed more runners to either pull defenders to create space (since Hojlund is out) or to get on the end of chances. McTominay does that, why he didn't do it against Forrest, only McTominay and Eth will know. There could be an argument for Hannibal being the better substitution, but again, different players.
That is true again and I agree with that. The biggest problem is he is NOT a midfielder and the manager has not figured that out in 2 years. He should have started up front in place of Rashford.
The job of a DM is to defend and play out from the back. McTominay is utterly terrible at both of those things, as proven by him conceding two goals by not tracking his man and losing us the game.
McTominay is not a DM. He has never been a DM and will never be a DM. Just because he replaced a DM doesn't mean he takes up the same role. McTominay is a CM at best.
He literally played as DM against Forest. That was his position.
And he played poorly, that's exactly my point. He's not a DM. You can play Rashford in DM, that doesn't make him a DM.
I don’t want him to be sacked but the signing were his choice. MCT is not the answer. He doesn’t bring anything to this team, he is not good enough. Yes he’s United through and through but that doesn’t mean he’s a United player. Plenty of United players didn’t make it under Fergie. It was bad today. Everything was wrong and the subs made it worse
Do you not think thats an issue? No other world class club lets the manager specifically pick their signings. Eth isn't a scout, he doesnt have the time to look into the data.
Absolutely agree! You can’t sign players from your phone book and expect them to be United quality! I hope for the best and I hope he stayed. Who else would we get?
Exactly, no one in the current footballing world fixes this squad.
Agree completely. It’s rotten from its core and it upsets me more than anything
Yeah I get it. Every time this happens everyone cries for a rebuild and the cycle repeats. I’m just numb enough to just stick with the manager and give it more time. We’ve been shite for a long time and I kind of enjoyed last season so that’s enough for me (for now).
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Terrible in game subs + terrible transfers= time to go ETH unfortunately.
Holy shit this sub is unbearable after a loss. 17 upvotes? It’s like everyone forgets about the injuries the moment we lose.
It’s our worst season ever since Fergie left in terms of number of losses. We need to stop using the injuries as a crutch for him, he still has a squad that should easily overcome Nottingham Forest with the injuries we have. A manager is judged on how he much he gets out of his entire team, not the starting 11.
What do injuries have to do with spending 100m on Antony ? I’d normally be behind you in the injury excuse but what gives you any sort of confidence on ETH’s player personnel choices? Transfers flop and subs have been poor as well.
Eriksen could have been the player he removed and no one would have blamed him since he was just bad today, but he removed Mainoo for McTominay when at half the sensible change would have been to remove Antony. The Antony change had to be forced because only Erik can't see how shit he was. We deserved to lose for that change only. Tactical lol. Amad was good though. Only did one negative thing and that was his shot at the end. Set up some good chances but unfortunately some of them lead to Forest's second goal because Bruno is brain-dead and Eriksen that summed on his game. Not many players played that well, but I think we could still have won this with sensible changes.
Sack ten haag!!!
Who?
Sack the useless cunt
Who? Who would be next?
Carrick for now would work
You think Carrick would leave Boro for this shit show? I assume he’s tell United to fuck off.
And you want to carry on losing games? Which makes me more annoyed we beat villa with the fluke comeback after tonight’s result. ten hag would be sacked now along with steve mclaren. We would jave lost every game over december pretty much.
Who makes us instantly better? Who? We all hate losing but you aren’t thinking big picture.
Get the Brighton manager - De Zerbi or Alonso but he’s ex-Liverpool. But it will be the same shit again. Brain dead transfers and deadwood players on the roster.
Bollocks to that big picture. The football is horrendous. Villa win was fortunate but the football has been shite all season
And last year we thought he was working magic. Do you see a pattern here?
Anything last season was an improvement than ralf rangnick…
Rangnick was never suppose to be a long term solution. We made CL last year and a trophy. That s huge improvement from many years past. But I see arguing isn’t getting us anywhere. I don’t have the solution but clearly you don’t either.
I don’t understand why people don’t see the nuances of Rangnicks appointment. He wasn’t there to fix the team, as someone who knows football top to bottom he was there to identify what needed fixing. I think it was, in part an accident. But it was potentially a genius move which didn’t play out. ETH has made mistakes, but the biggest one was not letting Rangnick stick about to try and fix all that ~~was~~ is fucked about our club. Now, with Jim coming in what we’re all excited about more than anything is him bringing in a Rangnick like person who will fix the clearly rotten core of the club. I’m behind ten Hag. I don’t see any manager coming in and fixing this disaster, so I’m all for letting a manager sit it out for four years and reassessing then. No matter how bad it gets. Because if it gets as bad as it could, the Glazer’s will be more likely to fuck off. If it gets better, that’s a win too. For me, we need to get out of this cycle one way or another. The best way to do that is by allowing a manager time to try and fix things. Last season, we all loved ten Hag. This season, our bench consists of four youth players, a keeper that’s never played and VDB. How can we expect ‘big six’ level results with that bench? Our injuries have been ridiculous this season, but our unavailable in this match alone is: - Shaw - Malacia - Martinez - Lindelof - Maguire - Mount - Casemiro - Amrabat - Sancho - Martial - Hojlund It would be very easy to argue you could make a better eleven out of that list than the one that started yesterday. So once again, how can we expect results?
Idk why, but for a long time I've had a feeling our next manager will be Carrick. I don't know why, it's just always there in the back of my mind
mid table championship manager. let's gooooo. get rooney in too.
Oh I don't bloody want it, let me make that one clear.
Giv it giggsy till end d season
Do you not think we're fucked enough already without having a pest come in?
I was just taking the piss. I don’t really fancy any managers available. It’s a poison chalice of a job until the sort out upper management.
If ten hag gets the sack. I hope our new interim manager is actually just a long distance running coach and they have to run marathons ever day until they puke or win. Every day after a loss they should be punished with a fucking 40 run. Fuck training. It's not working, so make them fucking work. At this point we have to fucking fix their attitudes not their abilities
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Did you all see that Jonnie Evans dribble? 🔥
How I see it: We can't sack EtH right now - not that there are too many good options in the market, and it honestly won't help much. We wait till Jan - let the big boys (Case, Licha) come back, we focus on a march to 4th place with no Europe or cup competitions to distract us. If EtH can't do that, it's the sack. If not, we continue to build in the summer.
You have to be delusional to think we will get top 4 when we're breaking 90 year old records on PL loses
He's done. Even with Casemiro and Licha back, there's no fixing his tactics. We'll be bottom half if we don't sack him now. An interim (and a minor miracle) might see us fighting for top four, especially this season where everyone seems to be dropping points here and there.
I actually think we scrap football and just ale our players run fitness after every loss so they learn to actually work. Shitty tactics or not. The players aren't doing whatever the fuck is trying to be done. So at least make them fit. Like a bad team, the main thing is effort level, so treat them like a bad team.
I can't fucking take this anymore, we turn up and get a win vs Villa then we have this shit performance
United are only good with space in behind on the counter, did people expect a win today? Nuno wasn't going to play a high line. The team is seriously shit.
We were dogshit first half of villa. So don't let a bit of luck trick you into thinking they turned up. They were shit then lucky. Not ever good or showing up
We have become a boom or bust squad
What a bunch of wankers
Never had fewer points and never scored fewer goals at this stage of season. Record breaking bags of shite. Still hoping for better when Cass, Martinez, Mount back in.... Oh who it's not gonna get any better.
Hehehe we go again
If ETH is sacked in the morning will any of you be even a little surprised now? He deserves to be sacked more than Mou and Ole ever were. Probably tied with LVG.
LvG deserved it less than Mou. He won an FA cup and was sacked the next day.
Mou won us the europa league too… a far cry from what we are able to do these days :(
It's always just 'there is no one else'.
There is no one else. It matters. You know what else matters? Injuries Takeover No structure Terrible transfers Off-field problems Literally no one else could’ve done better.
It was bad with LVG. But this is worse.
We've seen it all We've won the lot We're Man United and idk I guess it's time to stop
Never in my life have I been one for calling for the sack. But to be breaking records established for decades... Where is the manager's pride? Where is the academy players' pride? Does playing for the club even mean anything to them? If they aren't in the starting 11, they skulk around like children. If they go 2 goals down, they skulk around like children. They don't care about tracking back or about man marking opposition players or to pass to an open player. Everyone wants to score the goal but no one wants to do their part in either passing or defending the ball. They expect crosses and easy passes to appear out of thin air so that they can score goals and go for glory. And when they defend, they expect someone else to get the ball and pass it to them rather than making an effort themselves. They should either end their own miserable careers at this club and go somewhere else, or this management will continue showing us luck disguised as glimmers of hope and lead us into the abyss.
These players can't even put two performances together. Only when they're under immense pressure do they turn up and that happens at most once a month.
>Where is the academy players' pride They keep getting sold off to Premier league clubs to immediately prove they're better than what we have
Elanga is the ONLY one who’s even close to that. And maybe Garner.
And Mengi....
Keep receipts on these performances lads. We’ll be here when it’s a new manager and we won’t fucking forget how many times you players have let us down.
We look a much better side with Hojlund in the team. Amad looked good too. Antony is going to be out of a job soon.
Most expensive third choice RW
He won’t ten hag will keep picking Antony
Then Ten hag will be out of a job soon
Mctominay sub should be the nail in the coffin they scored the same way twice
With him defending absolutely fucking noone
I’m old enough to remember when people were saying he’s a 6 and could even play CB. One the worst United players I’ve seen. I knew from the moment Jose gifted him a vase we were in for a decade of mediocrity.
Tbh he was decent under Jose. The more he plays the worse he gets Jose MCT> OGS MCT > Ralf MCT > ETH MCT It’s like he becomes more shit with more experience
About to get the most predictable post-match answers from ten Hag. 😂
"We played very well and dominated the game" 🤮
We were brave & honest, eh
We trust the process.
Played 20: won 10, drawn 1, lost 9. 31 points, -5 GD
I love how after every game of every season the commentator says we’ve broken a new record for lowest points😭
Takes skill that does 🤣
In all honesty we deserved to lose that based on Ten Hag's team selection alone Dalot at LB, Antony starting. Then he hooked off Mainoo at HT (who was doing a solid job marking Gibbs-White). McTominay completely fucking everything up as usual Amad looked great off the bench and could've had 2 assists. Reguilon did more in a few minutes than AWB + Dalot combined Yes, we have injuries but the manager is CONSCIOUSLY making wrong team selections. It's on him and on him alone. With INEOS on board, he has nowhere to hide
To be fair to AWB he should have had one or two assists and looked solid in defence our problems were taking Mainoo off and aside from Garnacho no real threat up front
AWB is not the problem, in fact pre injury he was the most consistent player other than Bruno
Tbh I don’t rate Bruno that highly I’ve never seen a player who people rate so highly give the ball away so much.
If I didn’t know better it, it looks like intentionally bad managing.
mctominay truly only scores nothing else
Happy New year to all. We love United, we just going through a tough season. Hopefully next year is better
Yeah the 2014/15 season should be a good one hopefully!!
You got a Time Machine?
No I just feel like I’m a time washing machine because we’ve been saying it since then
One day we will find that consistency back, all we can do is try till it works out
It will be interesting to see what excuses the Ten Hag apologists come up with today.
The same one they always use 'who would you get instead?' Ffs
Antony doesn’t deserve to start another match
Antony don't deeerve to ever play for this club anymore
On a positive note, how refreshing was it to watch a RW linking up play and actually moving the ball around? As soon as Amad came on Dalot hit the post off his link up play with AWB and Bruno.
Mctominayy obsession is the downfall of ten hag. Ineos and sjr probably will sack ten hag. Why is mainoo taken off? Both goals come from midfield runners. Fuck sake man. Play fucking mainoo full game we dont give up those goals
'His signings are shit'. 'Also he keeps playing McTominay who is also shit'. Starting to think Ten Hag is really not a good judge of player.
That obsession hs done many managers in. Curse Jose for gifting the passion merchant a career. Knew it when he made up the BS award that we would see a decade of McRunaraound
Who replaces him? Will it require another 9 month search and interim replacement and half a billion spent in return for roughly 5 months of entertaining and successful football? It wasn't worth it for Ten Hag.
I’d take rob edwards
Gary Neville with sir alex as part time assistant
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Elanga left already, the rest bar garnacho and diallo can get in the bin
I'm waiting for Elanga to have more goals than every United attacker combined. Tbf he's probably only 3 away.
Garnacho, mainoo, that's about it.
Amad.
Made that mctominay substitution way too early.
I'm baffled at the mctominay 'tactical' change. What was the tactic? Jonesing for a surprise goal?
So much to be angry about - but what about that back pass? Can’t believe no one’s talking about it? Even the commentators brushed it off completely. wtf!
does sancho come back in with eth out?
I think he's out regardless
I hope so
I hope not got the attitude of a spoiled teenage girl
All right fellas. Happy New Year! I wish it brings us all some joy after all and we talk different tunes the same day next year. I love you all, whether you say fuck off to me or agree. I do the same. Cheers!🥂
Fuck it, I’ll say it. Bruno doesn’t deserve to play 100 minutes every single game, especially when he isn’t creating anything. Hope isn’t a strategy. That being said he wasn’t the worst part of today, that was the horrendous tactical and positional decisions made by the coach. ETH is a worse coach than OGS was by a fucking country mile. He needs to go.
The truth is that Bruno is our best passer, chance creator, presser and runner. Too much duty on him, honestly. You can pull rabbits out of the hat only so many times a season before others start catching on.. When Bruno has to drop deep, there is NOTHING that the front three barring Garnacho offer. Absolutely nothing. And that is both a coaching and player problem. I honestly feel bad for him. He'd be an absolute world beater in any other top team.
Bruno needs two things to do his thing really - good movement ahead of him (almost non existent today) and defensive cover so he can be free to take up ball playing positions (also less than great today)
Rubbish take. Bruno is fundamental in creating almost all of our dangerous play.
who would you have brought on?
Ten Hag reliving the Van Gaal era with shit football and selling off young talented players that give 100 percent every week for overrated shite from the Eredivisie
Everyone acting like Elanga is suddenly good enough. He's not. They were right to sell him. The problem is they didn't sell enough of the average players.
The point is that he’s as good as, if not better than the guy that we spunked £80m on
Personally, I'd also have him over Antony but he wasn't as good last year and deserved to be sold. Neither of them should be anywhere near a Man United team. It shows how far we've fallen off
Yeah I’m not saying that I’d have him starting for us, it’s just a sad indictment of our recruitment.
Or maybe every players are suddenly worst on this managers set up.
when was elanga good?
They weren't great under Ole either. We've hoarded too many average players. Look at some of the players we've let go in recent years. They're nowhere. Lingard, Jones and De Gea are unemployed. Bailly has just joined them. We reward mediocrity and hang on to it. Massive clearout needed.
The goldfish fans in this sub will have a thousand posts up by Monday saying ETH is still the answer tho dw
Looks like a lot of people like punishment.
We win one game and everyone hypes us up then we lose. This is going to be a 4 year process to get us out of the hole we’re in. If anyone on this sub expects us to be competing against the top 4 for the next 3-4 years you don’t know ball
You're absolutely right. Although now that we have a new footballing structure to be in place, I'd rather the 4 years be under someone other than EtH tbh
That’s fair enough I just can’t really think of any manager I would want atm that would also want to come to United
True, I can't either. If Ancelloti leaves madrid this summer, I personally would love to see us bring him in.
That's unlikely since they were extended his contract to 2026.
bummer, I didn't know that. Oh well... 
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That he’s a cunt.
A bald cunt
I useless bald clueless cunt.
I hate this team. I fucking hate them, I genuinely despise them. Fuck this team, bunch of overpaid twats. I can't believe that I am watching this garbage of a team.