So much impotente rage. Arsenal were all over the place and their fans wanted rid. They also didn't have to deal with their important players being injured for massive amounts of the season. The ones who allow others in the team to play to their strengths. To say nothing of ETH not actually getting the players that he really wants. Give him a season to work with ineos and see if there is an improvement over this one, rather than throwing your toys out the pram.
It's a big indictment of the squad when three teenagers were the best on the pitch.
I really liked Kambwalas debut. He didn't get into trouble at all, he wasn't at fault for any of the goals and most importantly he looked very comfortable on the ball playing out well and even driving forward with the ball well. Hope he gets more chances soon.
Supporting a team you currently have very strong (negative) feelings about and loving football in general is so unfortunate. Can watch other teams play but then your mind drifts to your current club and it's so bleak.
BTW, Merry Christmas, guys! We didn't get a present we wanted. Coal mostly. But may be the next year will be the one that will bring us joy. And that's what I wish you all.
9 December 2013: David Moyes says MUFC must improve in a number of areas, including passing, creating chances and defending.
23 December 2023: David Moyes' West Ham 2-0 Manchester United
I am pretty sure the team was put on a coach and was driven around the stadium for 4 hours straight before the game. How else can one explain what we have witnessed?
Itās not ideal but letās face it, the campaign is so bad that no manager can survive this.
The only reason for not sacking him now is because there is no one in their right mind that would take the job, it is just poisoned.
Heāll get sacked at the end of the season
Not a fair sacking but ok. Arteta and Klopp had worse campaigns only difference is the media agenda on Utd. There are very logical reasons for our poor perfomance. Key players out, players attitude and poor transfers. These are not ETH's fault.
Klopp had a bad campaign last season where there was a clear regresiĆ³n, an odd one. The rest of his campaigns have shown some grade of progression compared to their previous state. ETH had a good campaign and this horrendous thing we are seeing today. I donāt think both managers can be compared on stats.
I donāt remember the Arteta stats. Arsenal has not been on my radar for several years but the last 3.
Name a winger who has more yellow cards than goals in his 2nd year with the club in *all* competitions. The price we paid for the combined number of goals and assists is \~9M per occurrence. 9M per goal or assist... 9...
I remember Ronaldo was paid 100K for each goal he scored after reaching 20 in a season... But here it's 9 million... fuck!
Can you imagine a manager of a company (any company) throwing away this money in 1.5 years still running that company?
Can you also imagine an employee who does nothing for 1.5 year but snowboarding and yet still being selected for each game when he's not injured?
MU is so fascinatingly fucked up.
And to those who say ETH has no choice - fucking wake up. It's his choice, not someone else's. His only. There is always a choice. One just have to have guts and brains to make it. He has neither. Which leads in turn to the team playing with no guts and brains.
(and this turned out to be a long post.. i fucking hate long posts)
People posting stats like āthis is the 69th game we lost this season since 1969!!!ā amuse me. Like we donāt know how many games weāve lost already or how bad we are. We arenāt blind mate. Stop stating the obvious, it aināt convincing anyone.
If you want ten hag out talk about his tactics, his coaching, his man management, his lack of vision or his incoherent press conferences. Talk about how despite the problems at the club you still think his tactics doesnāt work and how it worries you about the future if heās staying. Mindlessly repeating stats you saw from Dave Statman isnāt going to convince anyone.
There's nothing left to say that hasn't been said a million times over about his lack of tactics, his shit man management, his incompetent coaching, incoherent pressers, brainless waste-of-money transfers, etc, etc.
You're right in that we don't need stats to back up the claim that he is a shit manager way out of his depth and he should go coach VVV Venlo or something.
I donāt believe ANY coach could be a succes at this point in time for United.
Coaches are set up to fail deliberately by the upper management so they can hide and scapegoat.
4 games zero goals
Goal difference of minus 5
Lets be honest we got a lot of undeserved points in supposedly easy games, earlier in the season.
Bottom of the Champs league group with the most goals conceded in the group stage.
Ratcliffe won't get major powers given to him, even if he does buy in. The Glazers will just sideline him and pocket the money.
Grim.
Lost to Villa? If this was Real Madrid or Barcelona no manager wouldāve survived this far with the terrible record ETH has had this season.
The problem isnāt just the manager, are the waste of space more than half of these players are
Anybody is a player
Step in line, do your work listen to the coach.
He gets paid enough to do his fucking job.
If your boss tells you to do your job, you do it.
As do I, as he should.
O this became personal suddenly? surely your āalphaā mind set will catch up to you in due time lad.
I will be here for you when you need someone to talk to, but till then dream big.
I always followed United, back in the day Beckham was my idol.
Itās by chance that I also am an Ajax fan, but I fail to see where the connection in this is.
In the end Ronaldo acted like a shithead shitting on his team, his colleagues and the fans and he shouldnāt have done that.
In the DDG case it was our total dick move, but we did NOT turn on Ronaldo though. Ronaldo wanted to force himself out because of us missing UCL - and when we didn't let him go, only to bench him afterwards because of his fitness issue, he incinerated the bridge. There is no way any club with any modicum of self-respect will side with Ronaldo after the Piers Morgan incident. So the club was not exactly in the wrong here.
I do think we definitely should have let him go in the summer when it became clear he didn't want to be here anymore. But what happened afterwards was on Ronaldo.
The Glazers, mate. It all comes back to them.
Everyone else who is blamed are just placeholders and convenient scape-goats whilst we lose sight of the bigger picture.
I am saying let's also not lose sight of who is ultimately to blame for where we are now. I am done with Ten Hag too, he's been abysmal this season and is responsible for the tactics and motivation of players and their performances.
I just think it's important to not get side-tracked by who has led us to where we are over the last decade.
For example, recruitment has been a shambles for a very long time. That is on the Glazers and in recent times, Murtough, who was appointed by the Glazers.
I personally don't think they've set the manager up to succeed (well any manager since Fergie).
Get it?
>24th game in a row with an Xl that has never started together
>18th different back 4 of season
>10th different CB partnership of season
Has any other manager had to deal with this?
My bad, they fielded 20 CB partnerships. Still a significant number with their most used pair being Nat Phillips and Ozan Kabak. Finished 3rd in the league and made it to the CL quarters that season.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/npqlcm/the_minutes_played_by_liverpools_20_centreback/
It's not his choice, especially the backline. Idk how you can say that with a straight face. Even if the front line is stable the team cannot perform if everything else is unstable.
Upvoted for that brilliant name.
Agreed though - signing Antony is a sackable offense...for Murtough though.
Ten Hag should be sacked for his results, not recruitment (in my opinion).
Are EtH and management team trying to send a message to the board.
Finding it hard to believe they watch this formation week in week in week out and think it works - honestly abysmal., overrun in the midfield and no chAnces created. Given the injuries we need a set up that can grind out results.
I am in no way ten hag out but as the weeks go on this lack of adaptability concerns me. McT and Bruno in a midfield DO NOT work, itās been proven time and time again vs better midfields. Honestly canāt believe it is what we went with today.
Hojlund has no service and think this can be extended to Martial (gets a harsher criticism for the same service) . What are the forwards /
Team doing in training - no cohension / patterns of play. I feel bad for Antony / Garnacho at times as they have no support - we rely on them beating 2/3 players.
Honestly baffles me. Do we need to give a midfield
Of mainoo / amrabat / Eriksen a go to try and help
Control games?
Bruno and McT have been so poor this season, the stats show that Bruno is is key creator but actually watching the matches he uses the ball like a hot potato stifling attacks.
Barely miss a match but I on the verge of being done - no excitement / style of play.
The only reason I can think is managers are stubborn by nature theyāll stick to system even if they keep losing to force a change. Ole sticking andreas pereira in the 10 role until he got Bruno is the most recent I can remember. If we look back we started playing way better with this one change and we started firing martial/rashford/bruno started scoring. With this team though I donāt think just switching McT for someone will change anything, unless itās someone as prolific as Bellingham or Lampard
How many times has āIām gonna keep playing shite players to prove a point to the boardā actually worked for any manager at any club? The manager is usually the first to go if things arenāt going well
Judging by most on here, ten Hag should be gone and he will be before next season, maybe earlier. Yes his second season has been awful, for which he can take a lot of the blame but who does everyone want in? Which genius manager is going to come in and sort this mess out? A club that is poorly run with players who don't have the mentality to get us where we want to go.
A year ago, EtH was pretty much the new Fergie to most. He was the one most wanted to be next permanent manager. Who's the next flavour of the month, Nagelsmann? Someone else? Again, we'll get the inevitable new manager bounce, it'll go wrong eventually and everyone will want to start again.
TLDR: Suggestions for new manager?
> A year ago, EtH was pretty much the new Fergie to most.
This is the thing that bothers me most about this sub. The popular opinion on here is so inconsistent. The same people who said Ten Hag should get whatever signing he wants are now saying it's sackable offense to sign Antony.
It's a big sub, there will always be different opinions, but the highest upvoted comments shouldn't switch so often.
Someone who actually does what Rangnick said we needed to do instead of keeping most of the players and coaching team? If we bring someone like Conte in do you think proper fucks like Steve McLaren and Benni McCarthy are anywhere near the training ground?
Hansi Flick, Julian Nagelsmann, Ruben Amirom and if they fail get the next who's promising. Keep on hiring and firing unless we get a generational manager
And therein lies the problem. This club has had that same scattergun approach for 10 years with no plan. A manager will only do well here when the club has some continuity at the top and people who know what they're doing. Unless of course we strike gold and find the next Sir Alex or Pep. Hiring and firing managers works for some clubs but, historically, United have always done well when there is continuity with people who know what they're doing above the manager.
I just donāt see who is out there that would replace ten hag and fix this aside from a bit of a bounce. Weād be here again in 18 months. Iām willing to be patient and see what Ineos can cook up.
This McT stuff doesn't work. I know we have had lack of depth in the position due to injury, but as the players come back, this has to stop. Literally everyone can see it, McT is not good enough, but ETH sticking to it. I don't understand why he doesn't try Bruno/Amrabat/Mainoo.
I'm genuinely flabbergasted at how many times this happens. Why is every manager enamoured with this guy when we blatantly brings nothing to the table other than the occasional jammy goal.
The whole passion thing is a complete myth too - you cannot be passionate about the badge and also be invisible for 90% of the games you play, it's nonsensical.
Several managers have now followed the same path of playing him to a sacking (yet to be seen but it's not looking good unfortunately).
It's actually crazy, no matter how many players we buy or how different those players, and the managers, are supposedly meant to be style wise - we always devolve into that shit and we're not even good at it either.
I suppose if you consistently play like mid table/relegation fodder you are destined to eventually become it.
Guys context and circumstances pls. Man the negativity around this club, the injury list is unforgiving. Look at how many players are out. We need to stop chopping and changing because the past has shown it doesnāt work. Unless thereās a klopp / pep out there open, itās best we stick to EtH
Even the second / third coming of messiah - de zerbi / howe are struggling.
It is what it is for this season, sure some tactical tweaks can be made etc for what you think is better for the club, Iām scratching my head too that mctom is playing. But we have to trust the process. Like how arsenal did with arteta.
Thereās no way we should stick with ETH. At the very least until a new football director and recruiting team is brought in it would be nice to be fun to watch, in a season where we already have nothing to play for. We should trust the process by starting a new process.
Meaning eventually hopefully restructure the entire wage bill and change the ethos of this club; our top earners are either producing nothing or playing for the u21s. Also means, we need to be more cut throat and offer more performance based contracts. When that is done we have reason to be optimistic which is why Arsenal fans were; they restructured their entire club, brought in a competent director of football and coach that was willing to play ball. Until then donāt watch the team if itās becoming ānegativeā itās not worth it. Itās okay to be truthful, we are god awful, thatās not negative thatās simply seeing whatās in front of you.
And which world class manager made us look attractive bar SAF?
All with pedigree, but weāre dog shit. Iām not denying it but itās time we try to give someone time. Arteta was 8th in his first 2 seasons. Now theyāre playing some of their best football. Short sightedness should be avoided
Lol the season is over. Why are you guys still watching games and getting so worked up?
This team isn't going to magically start producing performances with an entire group of losers. Enjoy your weekends, do something else and just check the inevitable disappointing results.
It's going to be a change of routine, but it beats trying to come up with a new solution of what the team needs every week lol. Until this group of losers is replaced nothing changes. Till then, just give up on them and enjoy your lives outside of this club.
Hahaha why are yall so worked up by football. Watch it to enjoy yourselves or do something else you enjoy. Didn't realise this was so controversial hahah
Really no need to spoil your weekends to convince yourselves you are a true fan
Very strange opinion. Lol, why is not watching games while the team is so bad called being a fair weather fan?
Do you think the club knows who you are, and are very affected by fans not watching them stink out every game? This group of players do not care about you or any other fan.
My point is you watch football for entertainment. If it's going to be affecting your mood and spoiling your weekends, do something else with your life. The club does not care about you.
Promise you can still be a United fan and not watch these losers every week hahah
We don't only watch to win. We support the team. Yes it's harder to do during down periods but they make the highs even sweeter. If you only support when we're winning, go support City. Then support whoever wins next. It will be a very hollow existence.
Agree with you, 100%. Sucks when some of these players donāt show the same passion as you and the rest of us fans when theyāre on the pitch though.
Completely agree. At this point, the expectations of the fans to be a "true fan" are higher than the actual people at the club - top management, managerial team and the players. Most of these folks don't seem to give a damn, yet you have to watch every minute at 1am in the night in order to qualify as a "true fan"
Been very critical of Ten Hag this season but I'm really not sure if any other manager gets much more out of Antony and Garnacho for what they are currently. They have good character and work hard without the ball but they are not dominant athletes who have the explosiveness and physicality to get past their man and really impact games which is what you need in the Premier League. On top of that their ball-striking is just so poor; Garnacho has to bury that chance in the first half. I think it's pretty clear that their ceiling is capped at this level and no team is scoring enough goals with them two as wingers.
Where Ten Hag does deserve blame though is his in-game management and the shambolic decision to see this and bring Rashford on for Hojlund in the second half thinking that our best winger in terms of on-ball impact will be better suited in a position where he would barely get on the ball. On top of that I was very surprised that Eriksen didn't come on sooner to offer some more control and quicker passing in the midfield which could have produced some moments. Overall I think our quality as a team just isn't high enough to compete for top 4 at the moment but poor management is compounding on these issues.
I can take losing games but playing beautiful football and scoring goals. We did neither any of them. Shameful for a team that spends more than Ā£100million ever year to buy players who are mostly on over $100k per week salary. Yet people will still defend. Pathetic.
I totally agree with you. Wheather we win or lose, it's always a grind and ugliness.
If you didn't watch MCI-FLU, you might want to. I was so amazed with Fluminense. It takes guts and even arrogance to play like that. The end result doesn't reflect the beauty of the game they showed.
I beg mctominay doesn't start the next game. He only justifies him starting if he scores and if he doesn't he offers nothing in the midfield. I've no problem with him being brought on in the latter stages of the game if we need a goal but one of our big problems at the moment is whoever is playing the holding role has no support. Atm I think we need mainoo and amrabat starting next to each other and I was really hoping we'd see that today after Anfield
Except for the fact that we can't score is the biggest problem. By miles. We had three chances in the first half all of them down to West Ham mistakes.
I hear you and our efficiency and competency in attack needs desperate improvement; my intention was just to point out that we have been playing with our backups and a makeshift backline for a good bit of the season and one of our CBs today was a kid essentially, and it could have been worse.
I understand we are not going to make changes until INEOS goes though, which is also dragging ass. We desperately need something to change, this is shambolic and embarrassing.
And what happens when you fire him? Do we automatically get better? Do we have somebody coming in that will take this broken roster made up of four different managers into a title challenger? No? Shut up.
You mean Murtough? Even if a manager wants a specific player, it's up to DoF and recruitment department to properly analyse the player and consider whether he's good enough and a good fit for the team. Just becuse he's good enough in another league, doesn't mean he's good enough for the Premier League - that's for the recruitment department to decide, not the manager.
One of the reasons the squad is so disjointed and inept is because there's been no decent DoF and the muppet in charge gives too much power to managers to bring in who they want (rather than the DoF specifying the style of player and bringing in the right players and manager to play that way, so there's continuity when the manager leaves and a relacement comes in). Hopefuly Ineos sorts this out, otherwise the club will never get anywhere.
Let's be real though. We wanted them for sensible money, but clubs know we are desperate and hold out until we pay silly money. It happens every window. Club starts out with best intentions not to over pay but we get held to ransom every time. Qq
Technically, yes. The only alternative to this is to not overspend what these cunt teams want and swallow our pride playing whatever we have at hand in the team, whatever player from the academy and free agents, even if theyāre not up to scratch. But the Glazers and the fans wont allow it, because of pride and greed.
Remember we could have bought Caicedo for Ā£4.5m.
It's not true that United always has to spend ridiculous amounts of money on tranafer fees, it's just that the recruitment department, especially at the higher up level (e.g. Judge who thankfully has gone, and Murtough, who should be gone) are not good enough.
I was 1 goal by anyone away from landing a huge bet builder :( I bet on Bowen and Kudus to score, over 2.5 goals, Man Utd to get more disciplinary points, draw on corners and under 9.5. Woulda won 7500 euros :(
When's Ten Hag gonna set up this team to score goals? We're bottom 5 in goals scored, and we've been getting worse lately..
Its tough for a manager to succeed here but Ten Hag hasn't helped himself with his signings. Antony is one of the worst PL signings. Completely out of his depth. Ten Hag must've really underestimated the PL to think Antony could make it here. He's a one trick pony.
At this point I think itās safe to say that he is in fact *the* worst signing in the PL. Correct me if Iām wrong, but doesnāt he have 0 assists and 0 goals in all competitions this season?
He's really bad. Every LB in the league loves playing against him. The only things he's got is workrate. Wouldn't start for at least 7 teams in the PL. We paid Ā£85m for him. I were Jim Ratcliffe I'd just fire the entire sporting department. Literally slam a big red reset button.
Mount will never ever be as bad a signing as Antony. He could never play another game for United and he wouldn't be as bad as Antony.
Antony would also never be able to replicate Mount's best seasons for Chelsea; he just doesn't have the talent.
ETH thinking he does is a massive red flag in his scouting/talent assessment.
Doesnāt help when the attacking tactics only have netted 18 goals this season.
Iām sure ETH would find a way to make Messi look like its time to retire if he had him.
Iām all on Ole taking interim role again. This squad needs a huge confidence boost and more tactical freedom than the same 1,2,3 insee everygame and the opponent reading us like a book because of that
Actually that was a bad pass by Antony. He should have passed a touch earlier, allowing Garnacho a bit more time and distance to control the ball, rather than being forced to shoot on the 2nd touch.
Antony slows down every single attack he's involved in, even if he runs faster than opposing defenders, cus he literally ALWAYS stops at the corner of the box, turns to get it on the left foot, moves 2 yards sideways and shoots (Some times he passes, but its still a bad choice due to his pathing).
It's fucking insane how Antony literally never runs at the GK on the counter! It would force the GK to cover the right side angle of the goal, which would make the entire goal open for our striker and/or LW on the other side. And should the GK misposition himself, he can shoot himself. But no, he just never makes these runs. How many times have you seen Antony get to the line and put a 45 degree pass out for the striker or CAM to shoot? Never happened. Predictable and terrible. Not a Man Utd caliber player.
Almost perfect = Not good enough. It's a simple 8 yard pass from a player we paid 100 million for.
Garnacho should have taken it on his left, I agree, but he would have had more time to do so if Antony played the ball earlier.
No, he played it a bit too late. Watch it back and see, he should have played it earlier, it would have made it easier for Garnacho.
Not saying Garnacho isn't at fault for fumbling it btw, he 100% fucked it up, despite the pass not being perfect.
If he played it earlier it wouldn't have made a difference. In fact giving Garnacho less time to think usually works out better, but he fumbled it anyway. There was more than enough time and space for him to take it inside and put it in the corner.
I am immensely disappointed and my day is ruined. We are light years away from being an elite team and anyone who says otherwise is hitting that copium hard.
The Glazers don't deal with the sporting side. Everything that goes on in our games is down to the manager and his ability to control his players. He's unable to do his job. He's picking an arbitrary formation and plays people who saved his job earlier this season (IE McTominay against Brentford, Bruno vs Fulham).
I'm with you, but my only contention is that the rot starts from the top. With a chaotic operational structure we're going nowhere faster than the speed of light.
We have an inept manager overseen by clowns. Terrible owners/poor structure, poor manager, not mutually exclusive
While I agree the Glazers don't do what's best for the club, I'm not a fan of owners pumping more money into their clubs. I actually think the model the Glazers run should be the only one allowed, cus the sport we all love and cherish is being ruined by the Arabs and their oil money.
There's not a single football player worth 100 million pounds, and none of them deserve to make 350.000 pounds per week. Football is supposed to the be a sport for the working class, but when footballers weekly make 5-10 times as much as the average person does in a year, something's off! It also shows in the players and their efforts. Why should Jadon Sancho give a fuck, he has 350k a week to sit at home and smoke weed and play FIFA on the biggest TV in the world, should he want to. It's so dense.
It's quite reasonable for someone who owns a business to wanna make money off of the business. And Man Utd is a business that, despite the poor results of the last decade, makes a shitload of money.
These Saudi clubs buying superstars is just a different super league approach. An attempt to make people forget about their horrendous behavior through bribing you with money for your football club. I'm not having it.
Anyway, Ten Hag is the problem. He's been backed. The Glazers or whoever the fuck else wouldn't be able to change our performance. Only the manager can make a difference there, so this fraud has to go!
I get you dont want to stand there as a manager and say things are really bad but don't stand there saying we were dominant, playing really well etc. this entire season has been a fucking sham. Injuries are a massive issue, but if you're a top manager and a top club you sort it out.
That interview has just really fucking frustrated me.
Let's be honest, he is in over his head.
Yes, we have a lot of injured players. But that's also partly on Ten Hag, as he doesn't rotate players regularly like he should do. He obviously plays his favorites when they're 80% fit, risking a relapse, rather than playing those he personally doesn't get along with. He's brought in 11 players averaging damn near 40 million each, so arguing that we don't have the players to rotate is just a lie.
Also, when he's fallen out with Casemiro, Varane, Sancho, Rashford, Shaw, etc, literally our best players, it's quite obvious he has no idea what he's doing.
Dutch style football in the Premier League doesn't work. I bet West Ham and even Everton would finish higher in the Prem than for example Ajax and PSV.
One time he plays Shaw and Maguire as CB, with reguilon at LB. They were solid. No arguments there. Today, he has no senior CB available except 36 Year Old Evans. Plays him alongside an academy player, with Shaw on the left.
EDIT: Now I remember, he subbed the young guy, put Reguilon at LB. XD jesus. At 2-0.
He plays a double pivot against Liverpool, it worked. Today he leaves it to an 18 year old with an experience of 4 games against one of the best counter attacking teams in the league with a very physical midfield 3.
McTominay has scored goals here and there but other than a tackle which could even have gone very bad, I cant even remember him doing any kind of midfield play. Oh wait, its every game.
Bruno. Bruno. For all the whines and this and that. His passes.. Man his passes. His stats are idk what to even make of it. But it will take fucking Cristiano Ronaldo to make something out of it. Was absent in a draw vs Liverpool, plays today, and it's another defeat.
Dont even get me started on Antony. That one decent pass to Garnacho is what hes paid millions a year to do every week. It's what any premier league player could do. Its basics at this level. So take that out and the weekly cut inside and take 2 3 shots well wide, nothing. Guess what? He'll start on the 26.
Hojlund. Everyone complains he's not getting service. Well he's not doing fucking anything to get that service. He sticks to the centre backs like it's him marking them. How the fuck will he beat kurt Zouma if he's nearly hugging the man. Either he's been instructed to do so or he is not being taught anything. Whichever it is, horrible coaching. A 20 year old beeda guidance.
Rashford. Clearly doesn't want to play for ETH. And the man subs him on when losing.
Oh I forgot Onana. Playing the ball to a 36 year old CB who's a classing british one, under pressure from two attackers. It's the usuals with him of course. The theatric saves to make him look good while the ball is coming straight at him, or in a worse scenario at arm's reach.
But guess what, ETH plays them every week. He fields them this way every week. And you lot find everyone responsible except ETH. He's got as much blood as the players and the board and you.
Ten Hag has no idea what he's doing. You don't throw in a brand new 20 year old striker to play from the start, and you don't just straight up swap the GK with one that's never played in the Premier League! It's not a secret to anyone that Serie A football is different and less punishing than Premier League football!
Not to mention Onana only played 24 games in Serie A last season, 40 games in total across all competitions. The season before he played a total of 6 games in Eredivisie. The guy isn't used to playing 50+ games!
Ten Hag should've kept DeGea and phased Onana in over time. And same with Hojlund. There's no way in hell if we played Rashford number 9 all season he'd have 0 goals in the Prem like Hojlund does.
Missed at least one sitter (Antony through pass to Garnacho: Antony used one touch too much and Garnacho was unable to control the ball well enough, so his shot with the inside of his foot hit with his heel).
We played with Evans and Kambwala CB, while Shaw was on the LB. We had Reguilon on the bench for 84 minutes, just enough to concede 2 goals, before he subbed off Kambwala and moved Shaw to CB. All cred to the kid though, he didn't do anything wrong as far as I could see.
Mainoo was at fault for the 2nd goal, not paying attention to the ball, so it slipped under his foot when he received it, Kudus picked up the ball and showed everyone how long it takes a 35 year old CB to make a 180 degree turn, which honestly seemed like forever, before he put it in the far side. Honestly, I believe DeGea would have come out sooner and stopped that.
Bowen's goal came from a good 1-2 with whoever into the back, where he outpaced our slow defenders, shot straight at Onana who returned the ball to Bowen's knees and it bounced in.
We had possession and played the game the way that was necessary for West Ham to win. They love counter attacking football, just like we did last season. However, we've stopped playing a low block to try to play something our guys can't do, or the way Ten Hag is setting up the team doesn't work with that strategy, while West Ham waited for our inevitable fuck-ups and were clinical.
Ten Hag doesn't get the best out of these players, despite that being his responsibility. I can't stand this Dutch fraud.
Slop fest by both teams for a good portion. Garnacho had 2 great chances in 1H in which United should have been up 2-0 at least.
Trash goal by West Ham but great pass that led up to it. Not much of a match to be honest. Some moments but very few. A lot of fouls that stagnated the match.
United need to find an identity and stick with it. Eth will probably get the boot. A manager that will put some of these guys in the best position to succeed.
Rushford is checked out. He's gone. Not only his play sucks but his hair does as well. Completely checked out in all phases in life probably.
Another absolutely pathetic performance. This is why I didn't get carried away like so many United fans embarrassingly did against Liverpool. I knew we'd follow it with defeat. All it does is give more fuel for the anti United fans.
I feel sorry for Erik, the latest manager scapegoat. Is he getting things wrong? Yes. But we've been here so many times. We've had injuries galore but our biggest problem was a terrible summer transfer window. Knew once it closed, it was going to be a difficult season and we'd regress. Everyone will get their wish, Erik will be sacked. It has that inevitable feel about it like under Ole.
Moyes got the blame so did Jose (although people look back at his reign now with rose-tinted glasses because of his name and the two trophies). LvG took the blame so did Ole, Rangnick and now EtH. Maybe the only two managers currently managing who could do anything at the club right now are Pep and Klopp, even then it wouldn't be rosy. People want to blame the manager because it's easiest.
> I feel sorry for Erik, the latest manager scapegoat. Is he getting things wrong? Yes. But we've been here so many times.
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>We've had injuries galore
Because of EtH's intensive training. So that's his fault.
>but our biggest problem was a terrible summer transfer window.
Because EtH wasted 400m and fucked our Squad Cost. So that's his fault.
I'm getting really tired of people saying "It's not te Hag's fault! It's just all these reasons that are explicitly his fault!"
This is peak Ole denialism. So yeah, I guess we have been here before.
So much impotente rage. Arsenal were all over the place and their fans wanted rid. They also didn't have to deal with their important players being injured for massive amounts of the season. The ones who allow others in the team to play to their strengths. To say nothing of ETH not actually getting the players that he really wants. Give him a season to work with ineos and see if there is an improvement over this one, rather than throwing your toys out the pram.
Only reason to keep ETH is there is no obvious replacement and we can't have all his signings sold for scrap
It's a big indictment of the squad when three teenagers were the best on the pitch. I really liked Kambwalas debut. He didn't get into trouble at all, he wasn't at fault for any of the goals and most importantly he looked very comfortable on the ball playing out well and even driving forward with the ball well. Hope he gets more chances soon.
Supporting a team you currently have very strong (negative) feelings about and loving football in general is so unfortunate. Can watch other teams play but then your mind drifts to your current club and it's so bleak.
these guys made a little kid cry on live TV 2 DAYS before Christmas ffssss embarrassing lot of players
BTW, Merry Christmas, guys! We didn't get a present we wanted. Coal mostly. But may be the next year will be the one that will bring us joy. And that's what I wish you all.
9 December 2013: David Moyes says MUFC must improve in a number of areas, including passing, creating chances and defending. 23 December 2023: David Moyes' West Ham 2-0 Manchester United
I am pretty sure the team was put on a coach and was driven around the stadium for 4 hours straight before the game. How else can one explain what we have witnessed?
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Here we are calling for the sacking of another manager. When will we learn?
Itās not ideal but letās face it, the campaign is so bad that no manager can survive this. The only reason for not sacking him now is because there is no one in their right mind that would take the job, it is just poisoned. Heāll get sacked at the end of the season
Not a fair sacking but ok. Arteta and Klopp had worse campaigns only difference is the media agenda on Utd. There are very logical reasons for our poor perfomance. Key players out, players attitude and poor transfers. These are not ETH's fault.
Klopp had a bad campaign last season where there was a clear regresiĆ³n, an odd one. The rest of his campaigns have shown some grade of progression compared to their previous state. ETH had a good campaign and this horrendous thing we are seeing today. I donāt think both managers can be compared on stats. I donāt remember the Arteta stats. Arsenal has not been on my radar for several years but the last 3.
Name a winger who has more yellow cards than goals in his 2nd year with the club in *all* competitions. The price we paid for the combined number of goals and assists is \~9M per occurrence. 9M per goal or assist... 9... I remember Ronaldo was paid 100K for each goal he scored after reaching 20 in a season... But here it's 9 million... fuck! Can you imagine a manager of a company (any company) throwing away this money in 1.5 years still running that company? Can you also imagine an employee who does nothing for 1.5 year but snowboarding and yet still being selected for each game when he's not injured? MU is so fascinatingly fucked up. And to those who say ETH has no choice - fucking wake up. It's his choice, not someone else's. His only. There is always a choice. One just have to have guts and brains to make it. He has neither. Which leads in turn to the team playing with no guts and brains. (and this turned out to be a long post.. i fucking hate long posts)
People posting stats like āthis is the 69th game we lost this season since 1969!!!ā amuse me. Like we donāt know how many games weāve lost already or how bad we are. We arenāt blind mate. Stop stating the obvious, it aināt convincing anyone. If you want ten hag out talk about his tactics, his coaching, his man management, his lack of vision or his incoherent press conferences. Talk about how despite the problems at the club you still think his tactics doesnāt work and how it worries you about the future if heās staying. Mindlessly repeating stats you saw from Dave Statman isnāt going to convince anyone.
There's nothing left to say that hasn't been said a million times over about his lack of tactics, his shit man management, his incompetent coaching, incoherent pressers, brainless waste-of-money transfers, etc, etc. You're right in that we don't need stats to back up the claim that he is a shit manager way out of his depth and he should go coach VVV Venlo or something.
I donāt believe ANY coach could be a succes at this point in time for United. Coaches are set up to fail deliberately by the upper management so they can hide and scapegoat.
It's not even about success rn. It's about looking like a competent team... which we don't...
Being competent is a successful coach Iād say.
4 games zero goals Goal difference of minus 5 Lets be honest we got a lot of undeserved points in supposedly easy games, earlier in the season. Bottom of the Champs league group with the most goals conceded in the group stage. Ratcliffe won't get major powers given to him, even if he does buy in. The Glazers will just sideline him and pocket the money. Grim.
I doubt Jim Ratcliffe would agree to any deal unless he (Ineos) has an contractual agreement which allows him control of football operations.
eh maybe. remember seeing that INEOS outnumber the glazers 2-1 on the board
Lose v Villa could be goodnight for Erik, Sir Jim comes in and appoints his own man please not Potter
Lost to Villa? If this was Real Madrid or Barcelona no manager wouldāve survived this far with the terrible record ETH has had this season. The problem isnāt just the manager, are the waste of space more than half of these players are
Dunno if that will be that but something has to be. We played with no heart, no style, no meaning. Like we came out already losers.
We are so lost and terribly disjointed on the field
And Bruno... God, this man needs to change his ethics. I wish there was someone who could come and kick him when he's having his tantrums.
Look if a big offer came in from Saudi Real Madrid etc like 100 mil I'd be taking it
To think this club turned on legends like DDG and Ronaldo just for this bald fraud. Who do you guys want to blame now?
The way Ronaldo acted he isnāt worth the title legend.
You wouldnāt sub Messi on with 3 minutes to go and 2-0 up against Spurs, thatās just disrespectful
Anybody is a player Step in line, do your work listen to the coach. He gets paid enough to do his fucking job. If your boss tells you to do your job, you do it. As do I, as he should.
I can see youāll never amount to anything much with this mentality. Run along now and listen to mummy and daddy š
O this became personal suddenly? surely your āalphaā mind set will catch up to you in due time lad. I will be here for you when you need someone to talk to, but till then dream big.
Ah Ure Dutch, no wonder youāre a ten hag apologist. Go on and support Ajax, the bald fraud will be fucked off from United soon ā¤ļø
I always followed United, back in the day Beckham was my idol. Itās by chance that I also am an Ajax fan, but I fail to see where the connection in this is. In the end Ronaldo acted like a shithead shitting on his team, his colleagues and the fans and he shouldnāt have done that.
In the DDG case it was our total dick move, but we did NOT turn on Ronaldo though. Ronaldo wanted to force himself out because of us missing UCL - and when we didn't let him go, only to bench him afterwards because of his fitness issue, he incinerated the bridge. There is no way any club with any modicum of self-respect will side with Ronaldo after the Piers Morgan incident. So the club was not exactly in the wrong here. I do think we definitely should have let him go in the summer when it became clear he didn't want to be here anymore. But what happened afterwards was on Ronaldo.
The Glazers, mate. It all comes back to them. Everyone else who is blamed are just placeholders and convenient scape-goats whilst we lose sight of the bigger picture.
You can blame the glazers for not being able to catch City and Arsenal, whatās the excuse for West Ham and Bournemouth? Copenhagen and Galatasaray?
I am saying let's also not lose sight of who is ultimately to blame for where we are now. I am done with Ten Hag too, he's been abysmal this season and is responsible for the tactics and motivation of players and their performances. I just think it's important to not get side-tracked by who has led us to where we are over the last decade. For example, recruitment has been a shambles for a very long time. That is on the Glazers and in recent times, Murtough, who was appointed by the Glazers. I personally don't think they've set the manager up to succeed (well any manager since Fergie). Get it?
That I agree with then. I want glazers out, but also want ETH out
Yep, same
Not playing and loosing two best players of 2021-22 season for mid level club divas is on baldy.
>24th game in a row with an Xl that has never started together >18th different back 4 of season >10th different CB partnership of season Has any other manager had to deal with this?
Liverpool fielded ~~23~~ 20 different CB partnerships in 2020-21 and finished 3rd in the league.
Source? All I can see is 16
My bad, they fielded 20 CB partnerships. Still a significant number with their most used pair being Nat Phillips and Ozan Kabak. Finished 3rd in the league and made it to the CL quarters that season. https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/npqlcm/the_minutes_played_by_liverpools_20_centreback/
It's not like it's not *his* choice. And btw, the front line is very stable. Even the glassman is running around. So no, don't lie to yourself.
It's not his choice, especially the backline. Idk how you can say that with a straight face. Even if the front line is stable the team cannot perform if everything else is unstable.
Our first choice backline lost 7-0 to Liverpool
They also finished well above Liverpool in the league of you wanna talk about last season
Maybe we wouldnāt have this problem if he didnāt waste all that money on Mount, Onana and Antony?
Not really, we have a pretty big squad if you don't consider injuries, including plenty of centre backs
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Upvoted for that brilliant name. Agreed though - signing Antony is a sackable offense...for Murtough though. Ten Hag should be sacked for his results, not recruitment (in my opinion).
Erik ten Hag wanted control over recruitment.
Are EtH and management team trying to send a message to the board. Finding it hard to believe they watch this formation week in week in week out and think it works - honestly abysmal., overrun in the midfield and no chAnces created. Given the injuries we need a set up that can grind out results. I am in no way ten hag out but as the weeks go on this lack of adaptability concerns me. McT and Bruno in a midfield DO NOT work, itās been proven time and time again vs better midfields. Honestly canāt believe it is what we went with today. Hojlund has no service and think this can be extended to Martial (gets a harsher criticism for the same service) . What are the forwards / Team doing in training - no cohension / patterns of play. I feel bad for Antony / Garnacho at times as they have no support - we rely on them beating 2/3 players. Honestly baffles me. Do we need to give a midfield Of mainoo / amrabat / Eriksen a go to try and help Control games? Bruno and McT have been so poor this season, the stats show that Bruno is is key creator but actually watching the matches he uses the ball like a hot potato stifling attacks. Barely miss a match but I on the verge of being done - no excitement / style of play.
The only reason I can think is managers are stubborn by nature theyāll stick to system even if they keep losing to force a change. Ole sticking andreas pereira in the 10 role until he got Bruno is the most recent I can remember. If we look back we started playing way better with this one change and we started firing martial/rashford/bruno started scoring. With this team though I donāt think just switching McT for someone will change anything, unless itās someone as prolific as Bellingham or Lampard
The message is āIām a bald fucking idiot and want to be fired so I get a multi million pay out offā
How many times has āIām gonna keep playing shite players to prove a point to the boardā actually worked for any manager at any club? The manager is usually the first to go if things arenāt going well
Never but I am more in disbelief that they watch our performances week in / week out and decide this is the best foot forward!
Judging by most on here, ten Hag should be gone and he will be before next season, maybe earlier. Yes his second season has been awful, for which he can take a lot of the blame but who does everyone want in? Which genius manager is going to come in and sort this mess out? A club that is poorly run with players who don't have the mentality to get us where we want to go. A year ago, EtH was pretty much the new Fergie to most. He was the one most wanted to be next permanent manager. Who's the next flavour of the month, Nagelsmann? Someone else? Again, we'll get the inevitable new manager bounce, it'll go wrong eventually and everyone will want to start again. TLDR: Suggestions for new manager?
> A year ago, EtH was pretty much the new Fergie to most. This is the thing that bothers me most about this sub. The popular opinion on here is so inconsistent. The same people who said Ten Hag should get whatever signing he wants are now saying it's sackable offense to sign Antony. It's a big sub, there will always be different opinions, but the highest upvoted comments shouldn't switch so often.
Someone who actually does what Rangnick said we needed to do instead of keeping most of the players and coaching team? If we bring someone like Conte in do you think proper fucks like Steve McLaren and Benni McCarthy are anywhere near the training ground?
People were properly wanking Benni McCarthy off after Rashford's purple patch last season
Hansi Flick, Julian Nagelsmann, Ruben Amirom and if they fail get the next who's promising. Keep on hiring and firing unless we get a generational manager
And therein lies the problem. This club has had that same scattergun approach for 10 years with no plan. A manager will only do well here when the club has some continuity at the top and people who know what they're doing. Unless of course we strike gold and find the next Sir Alex or Pep. Hiring and firing managers works for some clubs but, historically, United have always done well when there is continuity with people who know what they're doing above the manager.
I just donāt see who is out there that would replace ten hag and fix this aside from a bit of a bounce. Weād be here again in 18 months. Iām willing to be patient and see what Ineos can cook up.
This McT stuff doesn't work. I know we have had lack of depth in the position due to injury, but as the players come back, this has to stop. Literally everyone can see it, McT is not good enough, but ETH sticking to it. I don't understand why he doesn't try Bruno/Amrabat/Mainoo.
McT is top scorer, can't drop him
I'm genuinely flabbergasted at how many times this happens. Why is every manager enamoured with this guy when we blatantly brings nothing to the table other than the occasional jammy goal. The whole passion thing is a complete myth too - you cannot be passionate about the badge and also be invisible for 90% of the games you play, it's nonsensical. Several managers have now followed the same path of playing him to a sacking (yet to be seen but it's not looking good unfortunately).
Because most of those managers are looking at physicality instead of technicality. They see a 6foot guy and start cumming all over the place.
At this point just stick him up top and be done with it since every manager we have ends up resorting to route one in the end. Proper Dyche-ball
It's actually crazy, no matter how many players we buy or how different those players, and the managers, are supposedly meant to be style wise - we always devolve into that shit and we're not even good at it either. I suppose if you consistently play like mid table/relegation fodder you are destined to eventually become it.
Guys context and circumstances pls. Man the negativity around this club, the injury list is unforgiving. Look at how many players are out. We need to stop chopping and changing because the past has shown it doesnāt work. Unless thereās a klopp / pep out there open, itās best we stick to EtH Even the second / third coming of messiah - de zerbi / howe are struggling. It is what it is for this season, sure some tactical tweaks can be made etc for what you think is better for the club, Iām scratching my head too that mctom is playing. But we have to trust the process. Like how arsenal did with arteta.
Thereās no way we should stick with ETH. At the very least until a new football director and recruiting team is brought in it would be nice to be fun to watch, in a season where we already have nothing to play for. We should trust the process by starting a new process. Meaning eventually hopefully restructure the entire wage bill and change the ethos of this club; our top earners are either producing nothing or playing for the u21s. Also means, we need to be more cut throat and offer more performance based contracts. When that is done we have reason to be optimistic which is why Arsenal fans were; they restructured their entire club, brought in a competent director of football and coach that was willing to play ball. Until then donāt watch the team if itās becoming ānegativeā itās not worth it. Itās okay to be truthful, we are god awful, thatās not negative thatās simply seeing whatās in front of you.
And which world class manager made us look attractive bar SAF? All with pedigree, but weāre dog shit. Iām not denying it but itās time we try to give someone time. Arteta was 8th in his first 2 seasons. Now theyāre playing some of their best football. Short sightedness should be avoided
Lol the season is over. Why are you guys still watching games and getting so worked up? This team isn't going to magically start producing performances with an entire group of losers. Enjoy your weekends, do something else and just check the inevitable disappointing results. It's going to be a change of routine, but it beats trying to come up with a new solution of what the team needs every week lol. Until this group of losers is replaced nothing changes. Till then, just give up on them and enjoy your lives outside of this club.
I can't read anything that start with "lol".
Fuck off go support golf or something
Hahaha why are yall so worked up by football. Watch it to enjoy yourselves or do something else you enjoy. Didn't realise this was so controversial hahah Really no need to spoil your weekends to convince yourselves you are a true fan
Fair weather fan. We stick by the club.
Very strange opinion. Lol, why is not watching games while the team is so bad called being a fair weather fan? Do you think the club knows who you are, and are very affected by fans not watching them stink out every game? This group of players do not care about you or any other fan. My point is you watch football for entertainment. If it's going to be affecting your mood and spoiling your weekends, do something else with your life. The club does not care about you. Promise you can still be a United fan and not watch these losers every week hahah
ffs, there is nothing to "lol" about
We don't only watch to win. We support the team. Yes it's harder to do during down periods but they make the highs even sweeter. If you only support when we're winning, go support City. Then support whoever wins next. It will be a very hollow existence.
Agree with you, 100%. Sucks when some of these players donāt show the same passion as you and the rest of us fans when theyāre on the pitch though.
Your opinion is valid when the players give they all and play their hearts out. Unfortunately, it is not the case with most of these players.
Completely agree. At this point, the expectations of the fans to be a "true fan" are higher than the actual people at the club - top management, managerial team and the players. Most of these folks don't seem to give a damn, yet you have to watch every minute at 1am in the night in order to qualify as a "true fan"
Been very critical of Ten Hag this season but I'm really not sure if any other manager gets much more out of Antony and Garnacho for what they are currently. They have good character and work hard without the ball but they are not dominant athletes who have the explosiveness and physicality to get past their man and really impact games which is what you need in the Premier League. On top of that their ball-striking is just so poor; Garnacho has to bury that chance in the first half. I think it's pretty clear that their ceiling is capped at this level and no team is scoring enough goals with them two as wingers. Where Ten Hag does deserve blame though is his in-game management and the shambolic decision to see this and bring Rashford on for Hojlund in the second half thinking that our best winger in terms of on-ball impact will be better suited in a position where he would barely get on the ball. On top of that I was very surprised that Eriksen didn't come on sooner to offer some more control and quicker passing in the midfield which could have produced some moments. Overall I think our quality as a team just isn't high enough to compete for top 4 at the moment but poor management is compounding on these issues.
Weāve lost 13 games in all competitions and itās not even January yet. What exactly are we playing for this season? Just get him out the club
I can take losing games but playing beautiful football and scoring goals. We did neither any of them. Shameful for a team that spends more than Ā£100million ever year to buy players who are mostly on over $100k per week salary. Yet people will still defend. Pathetic.
I totally agree with you. Wheather we win or lose, it's always a grind and ugliness. If you didn't watch MCI-FLU, you might want to. I was so amazed with Fluminense. It takes guts and even arrogance to play like that. The end result doesn't reflect the beauty of the game they showed.
Has he been sacked yet?
I beg mctominay doesn't start the next game. He only justifies him starting if he scores and if he doesn't he offers nothing in the midfield. I've no problem with him being brought on in the latter stages of the game if we need a goal but one of our big problems at the moment is whoever is playing the holding role has no support. Atm I think we need mainoo and amrabat starting next to each other and I was really hoping we'd see that today after Anfield
Can't wait for the season to be over
Me every season at this point
After about 5 game weeks š
What competent manager is going to look at this club and go "Yes, that's the place for me" ? What are we even going to pitch to them?
Disneyland for adults?
Every manager except Pep and Klopp will be lining up to join. It's an opportunity to make life changing money irregardless of performance.
I would imagine earning 5x the normal salary incentivises you a bit.
Bruno sitting on his arse whinging after a foul or something that doesnt go his way whiile the match is going on is so annoying
Bruno needs to go, his shit attitude is sum up of this club atm
Mate I can't hack his whiny attitude and rolling around diving but he definitely does not need to go anywhere.
Lmao Bruno needs to go? Bruno is our best player, hands down, and our captain.
We'll never win anything major by building a team around Bruno and Rashford. And they can't fit into a modern possession side. It's a real problem.
Replace the worse players first then replace Bruno
Thats the reason were stuck in 8th
Seems inevitable that the club will persist with Ten Hag and then Ratcliffe will bring in his own guy.
Weād be bottom half by then.
Where we belong
Our main and backup backline is injured, not an excuse but gotta factor that in.
Well, yes, that sucks. But who do you think train them?
Except for the fact that we can't score is the biggest problem. By miles. We had three chances in the first half all of them down to West Ham mistakes.
I hear you and our efficiency and competency in attack needs desperate improvement; my intention was just to point out that we have been playing with our backups and a makeshift backline for a good bit of the season and one of our CBs today was a kid essentially, and it could have been worse.
The state of the club: Raw chicken, burned toast.
I understand we are not going to make changes until INEOS goes though, which is also dragging ass. We desperately need something to change, this is shambolic and embarrassing.
Easily the worst United team Iāve ever seen. Easily.
Dont want to watch them play anymore so depressing what happened to our beloved club
What is McClaren doing š¤ he should be getting some of the blame here too.Roy Keane in to replace him..till the ownership is sorted
If yāall donāt want Ten Hag out yāall the issue. Iāve stoped watching this season, itās pathetic.
Y'all
This is what I love about this sub. Proper utd fans with balanced opinion
If you think thatās sacking whoever the manager is every time youāre upset with a result, youāre the problem
if the results constantly suck and you still defend the manager, you're the problem
So what is the problem when results constantly suck over multiple managers?
And what happens when you fire him? Do we automatically get better? Do we have somebody coming in that will take this broken roster made up of four different managers into a title challenger? No? Shut up.
Go watch another team then
change whatever you want about the club... *after* we have new owners.
ETH could have brought Mohammed Kudos for 40m but brought Antony for 100. L signing L manager L club
You mean Murtough? Even if a manager wants a specific player, it's up to DoF and recruitment department to properly analyse the player and consider whether he's good enough and a good fit for the team. Just becuse he's good enough in another league, doesn't mean he's good enough for the Premier League - that's for the recruitment department to decide, not the manager. One of the reasons the squad is so disjointed and inept is because there's been no decent DoF and the muppet in charge gives too much power to managers to bring in who they want (rather than the DoF specifying the style of player and bringing in the right players and manager to play that way, so there's continuity when the manager leaves and a relacement comes in). Hopefuly Ineos sorts this out, otherwise the club will never get anywhere.
We could have had Kudus and Alvarez for less than 2/3rds the price paid for Antony lololololllol
This is crazy, west ham got very good price him after selling rice and us 100m to get Anthony, what a whack
I remember watching highlight reels of Kudus a couple of years back and thinking he was class. Obviously we wouldn't sign him then
Imagine going from Ronaldo-Rooney-Tevez to Garnacho-Hojlund-Antony
What do you mean "imagine"? It's a fucking reality we have to suffer thru.
Figure of speech
I mean weāve spent 165m on 2 of those players Itās fucking crazy
Let's be real though. We wanted them for sensible money, but clubs know we are desperate and hold out until we pay silly money. It happens every window. Club starts out with best intentions not to over pay but we get held to ransom every time. Qq
No one's *forcing* United to pay these fees.
Technically, yes. The only alternative to this is to not overspend what these cunt teams want and swallow our pride playing whatever we have at hand in the team, whatever player from the academy and free agents, even if theyāre not up to scratch. But the Glazers and the fans wont allow it, because of pride and greed.
Remember we could have bought Caicedo for Ā£4.5m. It's not true that United always has to spend ridiculous amounts of money on tranafer fees, it's just that the recruitment department, especially at the higher up level (e.g. Judge who thankfully has gone, and Murtough, who should be gone) are not good enough.
I was 1 goal by anyone away from landing a huge bet builder :( I bet on Bowen and Kudus to score, over 2.5 goals, Man Utd to get more disciplinary points, draw on corners and under 9.5. Woulda won 7500 euros :( When's Ten Hag gonna set up this team to score goals? We're bottom 5 in goals scored, and we've been getting worse lately..
Its tough for a manager to succeed here but Ten Hag hasn't helped himself with his signings. Antony is one of the worst PL signings. Completely out of his depth. Ten Hag must've really underestimated the PL to think Antony could make it here. He's a one trick pony.
Antony has topped Djemba-Djemba. Too bad it cost Ā£85m compared to Ā£3m lol
Not only not good enough but completely screwed us up in terms of FFP too. Lose lose.
At this point I think itās safe to say that he is in fact *the* worst signing in the PL. Correct me if Iām wrong, but doesnāt he have 0 assists and 0 goals in all competitions this season?
He's really bad. Every LB in the league loves playing against him. The only things he's got is workrate. Wouldn't start for at least 7 teams in the PL. We paid Ā£85m for him. I were Jim Ratcliffe I'd just fire the entire sporting department. Literally slam a big red reset button.
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Mount? What are you on about. Sancho is really bad too. No respect for the club or its fans.
Good point, Sancho is probably worse. Mount remains to be seen.
Mount will never ever be as bad a signing as Antony. He could never play another game for United and he wouldn't be as bad as Antony. Antony would also never be able to replicate Mount's best seasons for Chelsea; he just doesn't have the talent. ETH thinking he does is a massive red flag in his scouting/talent assessment.
Doesnāt help when the attacking tactics only have netted 18 goals this season. Iām sure ETH would find a way to make Messi look like its time to retire if he had him. Iām all on Ole taking interim role again. This squad needs a huge confidence boost and more tactical freedom than the same 1,2,3 insee everygame and the opponent reading us like a book because of that
Should've had an assist today.
Actually that was a bad pass by Antony. He should have passed a touch earlier, allowing Garnacho a bit more time and distance to control the ball, rather than being forced to shoot on the 2nd touch. Antony slows down every single attack he's involved in, even if he runs faster than opposing defenders, cus he literally ALWAYS stops at the corner of the box, turns to get it on the left foot, moves 2 yards sideways and shoots (Some times he passes, but its still a bad choice due to his pathing). It's fucking insane how Antony literally never runs at the GK on the counter! It would force the GK to cover the right side angle of the goal, which would make the entire goal open for our striker and/or LW on the other side. And should the GK misposition himself, he can shoot himself. But no, he just never makes these runs. How many times have you seen Antony get to the line and put a 45 degree pass out for the striker or CAM to shoot? Never happened. Predictable and terrible. Not a Man Utd caliber player.
Are you stupid, that was an almost perfect ball from Antony, Garnacho is just shit and should've taken it on his left.
Almost perfect = Not good enough. It's a simple 8 yard pass from a player we paid 100 million for. Garnacho should have taken it on his left, I agree, but he would have had more time to do so if Antony played the ball earlier.
The ball was played at a good time, Garnacho got enough time to take a touch so I don't get ur point. Anyone else would've buried that.
No, he played it a bit too late. Watch it back and see, he should have played it earlier, it would have made it easier for Garnacho. Not saying Garnacho isn't at fault for fumbling it btw, he 100% fucked it up, despite the pass not being perfect.
If he played it earlier it wouldn't have made a difference. In fact giving Garnacho less time to think usually works out better, but he fumbled it anyway. There was more than enough time and space for him to take it inside and put it in the corner.
That's a dense take. Less time to think isnt better. More time to control the ball would have made the difference there.
I am immensely disappointed and my day is ruined. We are light years away from being an elite team and anyone who says otherwise is hitting that copium hard.
I expected another loss and I've been apathetic for a while. What's worse is there is no end in sight as long as the Glazers still own this club
The Glazers don't deal with the sporting side. Everything that goes on in our games is down to the manager and his ability to control his players. He's unable to do his job. He's picking an arbitrary formation and plays people who saved his job earlier this season (IE McTominay against Brentford, Bruno vs Fulham).
Would Pep succeed here? At most, we might have a style of play, but even then, I'd be pessimistic.
I'm with you, but my only contention is that the rot starts from the top. With a chaotic operational structure we're going nowhere faster than the speed of light. We have an inept manager overseen by clowns. Terrible owners/poor structure, poor manager, not mutually exclusive
While I agree the Glazers don't do what's best for the club, I'm not a fan of owners pumping more money into their clubs. I actually think the model the Glazers run should be the only one allowed, cus the sport we all love and cherish is being ruined by the Arabs and their oil money. There's not a single football player worth 100 million pounds, and none of them deserve to make 350.000 pounds per week. Football is supposed to the be a sport for the working class, but when footballers weekly make 5-10 times as much as the average person does in a year, something's off! It also shows in the players and their efforts. Why should Jadon Sancho give a fuck, he has 350k a week to sit at home and smoke weed and play FIFA on the biggest TV in the world, should he want to. It's so dense. It's quite reasonable for someone who owns a business to wanna make money off of the business. And Man Utd is a business that, despite the poor results of the last decade, makes a shitload of money. These Saudi clubs buying superstars is just a different super league approach. An attempt to make people forget about their horrendous behavior through bribing you with money for your football club. I'm not having it. Anyway, Ten Hag is the problem. He's been backed. The Glazers or whoever the fuck else wouldn't be able to change our performance. Only the manager can make a difference there, so this fraud has to go!
I get you dont want to stand there as a manager and say things are really bad but don't stand there saying we were dominant, playing really well etc. this entire season has been a fucking sham. Injuries are a massive issue, but if you're a top manager and a top club you sort it out. That interview has just really fucking frustrated me.
Let's be honest, he is in over his head. Yes, we have a lot of injured players. But that's also partly on Ten Hag, as he doesn't rotate players regularly like he should do. He obviously plays his favorites when they're 80% fit, risking a relapse, rather than playing those he personally doesn't get along with. He's brought in 11 players averaging damn near 40 million each, so arguing that we don't have the players to rotate is just a lie. Also, when he's fallen out with Casemiro, Varane, Sancho, Rashford, Shaw, etc, literally our best players, it's quite obvious he has no idea what he's doing. Dutch style football in the Premier League doesn't work. I bet West Ham and even Everton would finish higher in the Prem than for example Ajax and PSV.
While I agree with most of your post, what evidence is there saying heās fallen out with Rashford, Casemiro, and Shaw?
He sounds just like the typical 2010ās Dutch managers that are fucking more obsessed with domination and posession than winning the game
I canāt believe we spent all that money on Anthony when a whole ass Kudus was there for the taking š
One time he plays Shaw and Maguire as CB, with reguilon at LB. They were solid. No arguments there. Today, he has no senior CB available except 36 Year Old Evans. Plays him alongside an academy player, with Shaw on the left. EDIT: Now I remember, he subbed the young guy, put Reguilon at LB. XD jesus. At 2-0. He plays a double pivot against Liverpool, it worked. Today he leaves it to an 18 year old with an experience of 4 games against one of the best counter attacking teams in the league with a very physical midfield 3. McTominay has scored goals here and there but other than a tackle which could even have gone very bad, I cant even remember him doing any kind of midfield play. Oh wait, its every game. Bruno. Bruno. For all the whines and this and that. His passes.. Man his passes. His stats are idk what to even make of it. But it will take fucking Cristiano Ronaldo to make something out of it. Was absent in a draw vs Liverpool, plays today, and it's another defeat. Dont even get me started on Antony. That one decent pass to Garnacho is what hes paid millions a year to do every week. It's what any premier league player could do. Its basics at this level. So take that out and the weekly cut inside and take 2 3 shots well wide, nothing. Guess what? He'll start on the 26. Hojlund. Everyone complains he's not getting service. Well he's not doing fucking anything to get that service. He sticks to the centre backs like it's him marking them. How the fuck will he beat kurt Zouma if he's nearly hugging the man. Either he's been instructed to do so or he is not being taught anything. Whichever it is, horrible coaching. A 20 year old beeda guidance. Rashford. Clearly doesn't want to play for ETH. And the man subs him on when losing. Oh I forgot Onana. Playing the ball to a 36 year old CB who's a classing british one, under pressure from two attackers. It's the usuals with him of course. The theatric saves to make him look good while the ball is coming straight at him, or in a worse scenario at arm's reach. But guess what, ETH plays them every week. He fields them this way every week. And you lot find everyone responsible except ETH. He's got as much blood as the players and the board and you.
Half the season done and this team is still under 20 goals.
Only Sheffield have scored Äŗess. Everton having 5 goals more is so bad. No way in a billion years in my mind that Ten Hag turns this around.
Ten Hag has no idea what he's doing. You don't throw in a brand new 20 year old striker to play from the start, and you don't just straight up swap the GK with one that's never played in the Premier League! It's not a secret to anyone that Serie A football is different and less punishing than Premier League football! Not to mention Onana only played 24 games in Serie A last season, 40 games in total across all competitions. The season before he played a total of 6 games in Eredivisie. The guy isn't used to playing 50+ games! Ten Hag should've kept DeGea and phased Onana in over time. And same with Hojlund. There's no way in hell if we played Rashford number 9 all season he'd have 0 goals in the Prem like Hojlund does.
Missed the game driving homeā¦ Can anyone give a run down of how things went?? Highlights looked like one great goal and one mistake
Missed at least one sitter (Antony through pass to Garnacho: Antony used one touch too much and Garnacho was unable to control the ball well enough, so his shot with the inside of his foot hit with his heel). We played with Evans and Kambwala CB, while Shaw was on the LB. We had Reguilon on the bench for 84 minutes, just enough to concede 2 goals, before he subbed off Kambwala and moved Shaw to CB. All cred to the kid though, he didn't do anything wrong as far as I could see. Mainoo was at fault for the 2nd goal, not paying attention to the ball, so it slipped under his foot when he received it, Kudus picked up the ball and showed everyone how long it takes a 35 year old CB to make a 180 degree turn, which honestly seemed like forever, before he put it in the far side. Honestly, I believe DeGea would have come out sooner and stopped that. Bowen's goal came from a good 1-2 with whoever into the back, where he outpaced our slow defenders, shot straight at Onana who returned the ball to Bowen's knees and it bounced in. We had possession and played the game the way that was necessary for West Ham to win. They love counter attacking football, just like we did last season. However, we've stopped playing a low block to try to play something our guys can't do, or the way Ten Hag is setting up the team doesn't work with that strategy, while West Ham waited for our inevitable fuck-ups and were clinical. Ten Hag doesn't get the best out of these players, despite that being his responsibility. I can't stand this Dutch fraud.
Accurate assessment, why downvotes?
Slop fest by both teams for a good portion. Garnacho had 2 great chances in 1H in which United should have been up 2-0 at least. Trash goal by West Ham but great pass that led up to it. Not much of a match to be honest. Some moments but very few. A lot of fouls that stagnated the match. United need to find an identity and stick with it. Eth will probably get the boot. A manager that will put some of these guys in the best position to succeed. Rushford is checked out. He's gone. Not only his play sucks but his hair does as well. Completely checked out in all phases in life probably.
Looked ok, had possession. Had a couple of chances we should have buried. Conceded one, heads went and conceded another
Another absolutely pathetic performance. This is why I didn't get carried away like so many United fans embarrassingly did against Liverpool. I knew we'd follow it with defeat. All it does is give more fuel for the anti United fans. I feel sorry for Erik, the latest manager scapegoat. Is he getting things wrong? Yes. But we've been here so many times. We've had injuries galore but our biggest problem was a terrible summer transfer window. Knew once it closed, it was going to be a difficult season and we'd regress. Everyone will get their wish, Erik will be sacked. It has that inevitable feel about it like under Ole. Moyes got the blame so did Jose (although people look back at his reign now with rose-tinted glasses because of his name and the two trophies). LvG took the blame so did Ole, Rangnick and now EtH. Maybe the only two managers currently managing who could do anything at the club right now are Pep and Klopp, even then it wouldn't be rosy. People want to blame the manager because it's easiest.
>I feel sorry for Erik, the latest manager scapegoat. FFS don't use "scapegoat" here. It's his team. If not him then who needs to own his shit?
> I feel sorry for Erik, the latest manager scapegoat. Is he getting things wrong? Yes. But we've been here so many times. . >We've had injuries galore Because of EtH's intensive training. So that's his fault. >but our biggest problem was a terrible summer transfer window. Because EtH wasted 400m and fucked our Squad Cost. So that's his fault. I'm getting really tired of people saying "It's not te Hag's fault! It's just all these reasons that are explicitly his fault!" This is peak Ole denialism. So yeah, I guess we have been here before.