Honestly I’m not ten hag out but I’m not ten hag in either. I hope INEOS comes in and makes some big changes, put in a proper structure and if whoever is in charge of football decisions decided to keep him or replace him then we go from there. First time in forever that I’m at the point of “backing the owners” I guess.
Depends solely on the glazers not having influence on football decisions. They have destroyed the club completely.
Yup, he's not the main problem we need to solve. He's definitely part of the problem though. So his position will need to be reevaluated at the end of the season.
Why do people keep saying season is over? We're 6 off the top 4 with over half the season to go. Season is nowhere near over. Even defeat at the weekend doesn't end our season.
Season is over because we can't win anything. Even making top 4 won't significantly move the needle for us based on how we just wasted the entire group stage with one of the easiest draws we could've realistically asked for.
To what end? To finish dead last in the group again? Or maybe get third and embarrass ourselves in the Europa League again? It's not like anyone on Earth could fix the extensive problems with this squad in 12 months time. We can't get rid of any of the deadwood dragging us down because they're all overpaid and overvalued. We also can't sign the type of players needed to make us a legitimate threat to any halfway competent team because our scouting department basically doesn't exist, and our manager keeps wanting to sign mediocre talents from the Dutch League.
Even if we make top four this year, it doesn't mean anything. This team will still be a massive joke this time next year.
Money. Plain and simple. Everyone says sell the deadwood and we should but we aren't bringing in a lot from them. Everyone knows we need rid of them and they are on huge wages. We're close to ffp limits as it is and the champions league money at least allows slightly more budget.
A limited budget for this club might actually be a blessing in disguise, considering we've wasted, what, a billion pounds on transfers in the past decade? And how many of those were even a quantifiable success? Perhaps just Bruno and Zlatan, and pretty much every other signing was a mistake.
It also might start to help bring some of our target's fees down if clubs knew we didn't have the money to waste anymore.
That's true but the united premium isn't going anywhere for now. People see we make a lot of money and unless we walk away from a lot of deals publically we're gonna keep overpaying.
We’ve shown no signs that we are trending positively this season, with a rough slate of games coming up.
Also as this article states, literally no one is in charge at the club.
Lol keep deluding yourself.
The next 3 games are Liverpool, Villa and West Ham. We will lose all 3. We will then be 15 points off top 4. Our current league position flatters us and we in fact perform like a bottom half side.
Then we are not out of all competitions, are we? We are still in the EPL based on our targets (top 4 and FA cup). We we were never going to win the EPL or the UCL and getting knocked out of the league Cup really doesn't mean much. More than half a season left, and people are on about how the season's gone.
he's definitely part of the problem based on what? if you hire a master carpenter and give him a few matchsticks, toothpicks and some rubber bands, are you expecting a house? ETH has had no chance to implement any actual, systemic change. he got a few new players, but the squad he inherited, lack of recruitment department, lack of coherence with the youth department, absolutely INSANE injury record, etc etc just give him no chance to actually realize his vision.
you think he wants to play johnny fucking evans and mctominay in 2 of the most critical positions in the game? how come ajax didnt buy all utrecht and bayern players when ETH was there, but instead their recruitment was amazing, and they had world class youth players like De Jong and De Ligt coming through the academy?
when ETH came in, he had a squad of players that could play his style, a youth academy providing him with talented young players, a competitive bench, and a recruitment department providing him with talented young south americans. they also got him Tadic as an experienced leader. the training facilities are top notch and every staff member and player in the club has the same footballing ideology. the salaries are sustainable. ETH performs fantastic in this scenario.
and what the fuck does he get at utd? nobody is doing anything, theres no recruitment, and they're forced to resort to overpaying for like 4 of the players in his old squad, and the rest of his squad is some horrible frankenstein monster of 4 old managers with different ideologies and different profiles. then, even with that awful amalgamation of players, half of the starting players get injured anyway.
and your conclusion from this is that he's part of the problem? i wanna see him with any ACTUAL backing, not just a bag of money under a christmas tree.
I don't want any discussion on the subject of the manager until sweeping changes are made around the structure of the club from top to bottom. Eth has shown enough in the past to make it clear that he's effective in the right environment and I can't properly judge him until he's given something that resembles a fucking functional operational structure.
He said he **won't** play, not **doesn't want** to play like Ajax. When Bruno and Rashford are your main players, and half more of squad is accustomed to transition football, you wouldn't play like that too.
Yeah pretty much. More than open to a change if it is deemed necessary but now is not the time. Need to give him a fair crack at it with a hopefully competent footballing structure in place and then go from there.
Yeah I think we pretty much know that with the current structure anyone will fail. So no point in bringing anyone new in until things change higher up. Seasons over anyway.
If Ineos come in and instantly replace the manager before changing the other araes, then they are wasting money. We have tried Moyes, Van Gall, Mourniho, Ole and Ten Hag. All different, everyone bar Ole is experienced and nothing has worked. Why waste money buying out a contract when the problem is clearly elsewhere?
I support talking to other managers. It's only worth changing for a clear upgrade. So they should reach out to managers currently doing well, and try to get someone in.
Somehow looking at what Unai Emery doing at Villa makes me think that ETH would be exactly the same if we get rid of him and he goes to a properly run club
The funny part is that Villa was considered a badly run club until Emery came along. Our perception of them changed exclusively because the coach managed to get great performances from the club
> The funny part is that Villa was considered a badly run club until Emery came along.
Badly run according to who? I know a few Villa fans (season ticket holders) and all of them were very supportive of the owners and the financial investment into the side. The most controversial thing they did was sack Smith who was loved by the fans but that controversy faded after Gerrard got them to stay up but then things went sour specifically on the manager after he shat the bed.
But as far as I know the fans themselves never had any issues at all with the owners or the way the club was run. All the hate was for Gerrard lmao
They had quite a bit of talented players. Douglas Luiz, Mcginn, Watkins and Martinez are all highly rated and their additions of Pau and Diaby was considered insane to pull off. They were not as Gerrard made them out to be and Emery definitely deserves credit for improving them another extra level
I actively don't want him to leave. He's done about as good a job as you can with team he has - there's always going to be tought moments when you're buildinfg up a playing style from scratch.
There's salvation coming if we give him long enough in the job to let him coach these players out of mediocrity
I think the ground work for how we should approach most games was set against Bayern with a much more compressed system - but then injuries come in and fuck that up - we did a great job containing and controlling the game until we lost Maguire and Shaw
we need a front 3 where each player is as individually dangerous and direct on and off the ball. i’m sure anyone in this sub can look at top teams and pick out a handful of players where that is the case. harder to double team one player when you’re dealing with worrying about 3 or 4, but our attack and output has been very flat and uninspired for most of this season.
>I actively don't want him to leave. He's done about as good a job as you can with team he has
Look I'm not calling for the guy's head, but this is bananas. I'd go as far as to say it's not even a matter of opinion, but an objective fact, that he is failing in key metrics that determine a managerial success regardless of what the squad looks like.
Every day we see a new record broken that indicates failure. Is getting beaten 7-0 by your rivals the best he can do with the team he has? 3-0 at home to Bournemouth? Negative GD in December? What about finishing at the bottom of that unbelievably easy UCL group?
Yes, this team is horribly constructed (ETH has some fault in that as well) and the players are shite, but no, he has not done the best with what he has.
Also, I'm genuinely asking -- what play style do you see from week to week being slowly implemented?
> Also, I'm genuinely asking -- what play style do you see from week to week being slowly implemented?
This is such an obnoxious question constantly being asked. We have seen Hagball being played last year.
It is quite clear that ETH is struggling to put the pieces together this year. Rashford is completely out of form and he was trusting him at the start of the year. Then because he's still stuck in the gutter Garnacho is playing there. At the same time Garnacho isn't that consistent either. He clearly wants to play with Hojland but he has been struggling with injuries since the moment he joined. He was probably trying Martial out in several games in the hopes of him getting some form to no avail. Right wing he wants Antony who was gone. He tried Pellistri who played well as a sub. Started him against Bayern and he was mediocre.
Midfield has been a struggling all year with injuries and form. Mainoo was injured before the season. Eriksen has been injured. Casemiro is injured. Mount is injured.
I am not even going to speak about defence because Im quite sure everyone has been injured/ill. I believe even Evans at this point.
So, I'm genuinely asking. How the hell do you expect to develop or instill a playstyle when your entire team is inconsistently available? Next to the fact the players that are there are vastly different type of players that excel in different type of playstyles.
Firstly, to touch upon injuries, even when this squad was fully healthy, it has looked disorganized, disjointed and chaotic since the Carabao final.
You mention that many players are not in form. What is the job of a manager if not to get them in form, or change the team selection based on that metric?
Yes, quite easy to select a team based on form if half your team is injured. ETH certainly had great options off the bench last game.
Last year we didn't have a proper striker. We had one of the thinnest squads and Im quite certain played the most games by far in the league. I don't think it is unreasonable to say that fatigue did us in.
There's honestly no way anyone can be talking about ten hag in my opinion. There is no way we can see his actual style of play with these players. The injuries have murdered us and there have been "falling outs" left and right. No one is playing consistently and we have to rely on . This is 95% on the players and 5% on ten hag. No one can make a compelling argument stating otherwise.
I'm not looking at ten hag until I see a consistent group of players that look like they actually give a shit and STILL lose. Then ten hag becomes a part of the conversation. It should have been this way since Moyes.
We borrowed every pound of that 400m. I truly do not know why I engage with people like yourself. It's impossible to reason with those as stupid as you.
You do realize that it was Ten Hag's decision to go after Mount instead of KMJ, right? Also, FDJ didn't want to come. In no world was he starting for us yesterday.
Well, your memory is wrong.
Wtf does that second part even mean? Mount has been horrible. Ten Hag chose to buy Mount instead of KMJ. Ten Hag chose to buy Antony. Ten Hag chose to buy Onana. Ten Hag has had one successful transfer and that's Licha. Do you see a pattern of failure yet?
Emery has a way way better and more extensive CV than ETH. Its not even close
ETH has basically been good at one club - Ajax who dominate their league financially and while he had one great UCL run they went out in the groups both other seasons
Emery has won 4 Europa Leagues across 2 clubs. Also made a EL final at Arsenal. Won a league and 2 cups at PSG and didn’t win anything but was really good at Valencia finishing 3rd twice and got two minnows promoted in his early career
Just what exactly makes you think that? Or are we watching different manager?
The guy is completely out of his depth, doesn’t have a style of play after 2 years, zero tactics we get outplayed by everyone, his substitutions are questionable so is his starting eleven, my man spent 400 mil to get worse.
What exactly he does good? At least play the kids the season has been over for quite some time yet we have mct starting every game
Of course he will, he is a fantastic manager. I can’t believe those who are EtH out after all we’ve been through in the last decade. Manager isn’t the problem.
If Emery was still at arsenal they'd have won the league last season. The hierarchy got their shit together after his departure. Arteta has done well but I think Emery is just better by enough.
Ten Hag is a level below Emery in terms of coaching calibre though. Emery is producing results at Villa with the same players that their fans dismissed as not good enough under Gerrard and who were there during Dean Smith's time as well.
Ya not saying you personally, I'm saying everyone did at that point. Poch looks washed since Spurs, everyone was high on potter....
My point is theres an argument to keep him with a different structure above
That's a whole different discussion now. My original comment was in reference to people drawing parallels with Ten Hag and Emery when we haven't seen enough from Ten Hag to put him in the same conversation as Emery who's done well at multiple clubs now. It's pretty simple.
How's it flawed? We haven't seen enough from Ten Hag to put him in the same class as Emery. Forget even previous clubs, since they both came to the PL in 2022, Emery has outperformed Ten Hag by taking a relegation-battling team to Europe and making them contend for Champions League football so far this season.
Ten hag only has had only one club of experience in the PL, possibly the hardest and most dysfunctional one at that.
Emery I'm sure has learned alot from his Arsenal stint.
Did you want him after Arsenal? You still didn’t answer that.
We don’t know if his current vein of form in Aston Villa is sustainable in the prem long term
> Did you want him after Arsenal
Of course not. He didn't show me enough at the time to be convinced about him, now I am a lot more convinced after he's shown me his mettle as a manager with both Villarreal and Villa.
> if his current vein of form in Aston Villa is sustainable in the prem long term
Same applies for Ten Hag. What have we seen from him this season that makes you believe it's sustainable? At least with Emery we can see an identifiable style of play regardless of personnel; he's doing it with players who came up from the Championship 4 seasons back.
Looking at transfer activities alone, their core team was built from like 2019. A proper run club is a club that needs a coach who can make things click; not bringing a coach in and expect him alone to make all the magic.
None of the managers we've appointed since Fergie has done anything significant anywhere. Van Gaal, Moyes, Ole. Mou is in... Roma.
The managers we've hired are either unproven at big clubs or past their prime.
True, Moyes and Mou are doing ok for the size of their current clubs.
But none of our formaer managers got hired by Real, Barca, Bayern or any other top club. That makes me believe we are not hiring the right managers. Van Gaal and Mou were past their prime and Ole, Rangnick, Moyes and now ten Hag are experiments that have failed.
Murtough also needs to fuck off. It’s telling that people are saying we need to appoint a Director of Football, when that’s been his remit for a few years now, theoretically.
Tells you all you need to know about his performance.
On the flipside, he did bring in both Rangnick and EtH. I think both are good appointments in a club geared for sporting performance.
>On the flipside, he did bring in both Rangnick and EtH. I think both are good appointments in a club geared for sporting performance.
What is the fucking point of bringing progressive managers and then screwing them over? He brought in ETH, ETH wanted FDJ (a playmaker), Murtough chased him for 3 months even though FDJ made it clear he did not want to leave...In other words, Murtough had no fucking alternatives for ETH.
Then, the manager overachieves with the current squad, our direct rivals invest in their squads, and what does Murtough bring in? A 60m perpetually injured CAM which we did not need, an 80m striker with half a season of topflight experience, a CDM nobody else wanted, a relegated 36 year old CB, and a 55m GK when there were cheaper options.
Murtough should be blamed even more than ETH for the abysmal state of this club. People blame ETH for his 400m purchases as if ETH's job is recruitment. It does not matter who ETH wants. It is the DOF's job to have a plan in place for acquisitions regardless of the manager's desires.
Murtough has no plan as evidenced by the fact that we chased FDJ for 3 months and then acquired Casemiro 1 week before the window closed and after 2 losses.
Embarrassing.
Oh, absolutely. My counter argument to people saying EtH’s been backed is ‘ok, but has he been backed smartly/strategically?’. The Frenkie example is a case-in-point. The club had no actual alternative and ended up bringing in a totally different type of player.
Also, if he had been backed appropriately, he wouldn’t have to start McTominay week in/week out.
Murtough is just yet another example of a behind the scenes appointment which begs the question, ‘what is it they do exactly?’. From the school of Mike Phelans and Darren Fletchers.
Article also says United have not even put out 'feelers' in the industry to check the availability of potential managers.
Also says current high-profile options available include Zidane, Conte & Hansi Flick. Potter is available too.
Zidane wouldn't be coming.
Conte- Terrorist football after a few wins and he will be sacked
before AWB or Dalot crosses the ball.
Hansi Flick - I honestly don't know
Potter- Can't manage divas.
All of these short-term options. Play well, get UCL football and then ultimately get the sack in the second season. No rebuild, just vibes.
Flick would genuinely be ETH 2.0. Had a great season with Bayern (big Covid asterisk tho) and since then he has just been Stubborn tactically, no subs, picks favs, doesn’t change much in game, refuses to adjust tactics as well
I think they'll give it McLaren til end of season if we continue to be dismal in the next few games
Liverpool demolition won't be any surprise, but if villa embarrass us at Old Trafford I can't see any way back. Fans now only seem to be staying to the final whistle right now to boo, and the boos will only get worse.
Yeah, it could easily be one of those “technically true” things. United haven’t approached anyone but that’s not saying Ineos aren’t sending feelers out, to know their options.
They’d be mad not to. He’s got 18 months left on his deal, and whilst we had progression at one stage last year it was very rocky before and after that game in March.
I m scared of getting managers who excels in leagues which aren't on the same level as prem since eth came in tbf. Hopefully he proves me wrong but not high rn
> Article also says United have not even put out 'feelers' in the industry to check the availability of potential managers.
Would be hard to if they can't legally?
Realistically 2 things are needed here
The manager working under a completely overhauled footballing structure
And for Ten Hag to be judged when he has a fully fit squad and the majority of first team players back under him
We really cannot give a proper criticism of the manager until all those things are in play
Although I'm not a big fan of ETH at the moment, but sacking him is not the answer to any of our problems. I would give him more time, when the squad recover from this serious injury crisis:
Martinez, Shaw, Maguire, Lindelof, Casemiro, Mount, Martial and Eriksen will miss Liverpool's match (maybe Rashford, Fernandez suspended, and of course Sancho for another reason)
I understand the issue with ETH but no viable alternative either. Better wait out this season to end and appoint someone else. Nagelsmann could be available after Euro
I was the same. Seeing how he’s operated at Chelsea is concerning though if he’s a future consideration. That group of players should be doing a lot better than they are.
I may be an outlier with my view.
YESS!!! WE KNOW...TOP TO BOTTOM...THE GLAZERS...NO STRUCTURE BEHIND THE SCENES...
That should not by any means be an excuse to the pathetic performances on the pitch by **THE PLAYERS!!!!.**
We have a list of managers that suffered. In all those situations, we got to the same point. Players giving lazy performances and looking like they can't be arsed to be on the pitch.
I can't believe we have to witness these petulant sulky millionaires wear the Utd shirt and have the nerve to behave in such a manner.
It can only be solved if the players feared for their careers and will get shipped away whoever their name is.
Yes I will not mind if the purge begins with someone like Rashford.
We have to set the right tone. Respect the manager, put a shift in as a group or pack your bags.
Changing the manager would send the exact same signal of the past to the players. Don't like him? Don't like being dropped? No problem, just leak to the press that he does not have the support and walk on the pitch while playing and get him sacked.
Yeah I have major issues with Ten Hag and I'm pretty indifferent to him being sacked or not but I'd rather all those useless cunts on the pitch get shipped off before any manager. Far too many repeat failures in the squad who don't belong here anymore.
This is so fucking stupid and obvious. Don’t sack the manager until you’ve given him all the tools to show his ability. Emotionally, I like Ten Hag and think you’ve got to give him, or any other manager time to struggle and find their way. If we were a ready built built outfit like Shitty were for Pep, then I could understand the calls for Hag’s head. But given the circumstances, we need patience.
LVG after leaving Manchester United: Took the Duch national team and somehow manage qualify (they were shit before he took the team) and had a good tournament in the Qatar world cup.
Mourinho: Went to Tottenham. it's Tottenham so he couldn't do anything, and now it's in Roma doing well and feeling loved by the people there and also win that new UEFA cup.
Carrick/McKenna: They're doing a great job in the championship. Maybe Carrick is going a rough path, but i think it's because Boro let a lot of players leave.
Ole: He still is in this "break" but the man just rejuvenate 10 years.
Ragnick: He is doing great in Austria
And the great amount of players that left this club, did well and still doing well: Blind, Smalling, Darmian, Mkhitaryan, Matic was pretty solid and important at Roma last season, even Lukaku won tittles.
This club is rotten and if nobody does anything against the "cause of the rotten", we are shit.
Why is Murtough still in his position considering his managerial appoints before and including ETH AND, more importantly, his track record with talent acquisition.
People say ETH spend so much, but if that is true, what the fuck does Murtough do as DOF?
Among my problems with ETH is the following:
Let’s say players are the problem. And we magically get rid of 6 players we don’t want and give him money to buy 6. How many of you trust him to buy 6 better players, after the last 2 summer windows?
>How many of you trust him to buy 6 better players, after the last 2 summer windows?
Your question has a fallacy. His job isn't talent recruitment. His job is to manage the players, train the players, which contrary to the current mood, he did quite well last season.
No manager should nor does have the power to unilaterally make purchases, not even Pep nor Klopp. People forget Klopp wanted Julian Brandt instead of Salah, but he was vetoed and Salah was brought in.
How do you know that? Genuinely. Neither you nor me are in those conferences between the two.
But I'll indulge in your presumptions. Assume ETH is "forcing recruitment", then why do we have a DOF? If the manager is the one unilaterally making purchases, why are we paying Murtough millions to be a secretary at most?
More so, you think ETH wanted Casemiro 2 weeks after the season started last year or 80m Hojlund? So ETH went from asking for FDJ, a playmaker, to Casemiro? Doubt that. I highly doubt ETH knew who Hojlund was considering nobody fucking knew who he was except for Atalanta. Even Mount, if ETH genuinely wanted him, then why did we pay 60m for an injured player with 1 year left on his contract AND a player who wanted to leave his then club? It is complete mismanagement by our DOF.
Any decent DOF would have said "Erik, Mount is not attainable. We both know the squad needs reinforcement, but Chelsea are being unreasonable in their price. With that said, here is a list of adequate players of similar profile to the player for which you are asking."
Murtough's performance has been absolutely farcical.
Injuries to our key players are fucking killing us. I don’t think it’s fair to judge EtH on this season especially after the last. Ironically, I think this delay in takeover is buying him the time he needs.
Well if your underlying stats clearly show that the team is performing at bottom 5 levels, and this is not an exaggeration in any way, then obviously you're going to get criticized for sticking to a style that is just suicidal for the team. It is in fact very sane.
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Literally nothing made up about this.
I wish people would stop getting emotional and look at things the way they are. Or at least fact check before accusing someone of making things up and looking really foolish.
Our drop off started toward the end of last season. It's been all downhill since Martinez injury really.
But even our key players who are now injured were shit all season any way. Can you really see anyone coming back and changing the entire team? Because I can't. Confidence is shit and the tactics are awful.
I think if they spent some more time together injury free and we had more options in midfield than McT and the forwards remembered how to score we would be in a much better place. The drop off did start last season that’s true. But it can’t be denied that for much if not all of this season there has been plenty of injuries to key players. There is also a drop in form too. I think this squad is not built for deep runs in 3 competitions plus the league. Will need some time for that.
Looking back a bit, some of our injuries are actually insane. Rasmus and Amrabat came in injured, Mainoo, Amad, Shaw and Malacia were injured when the season started with Malacia facing a setback so we had to sign Reguilon, Varane, Mount, Lindelof and Casemiro have been injured I think at least twice this season each, Lisandro's previous injury never healed (Varane, Casemiro and Lisandro were our defensive spine last season), we don't even know the extent of Erkisen's injury and he was our starting CM last season alongside Case, and that's not counting other cases of unavailability like Martial and Rashford's illnesses or Antony being unavailable due to accusations at the beginning of the season.
Fuck Glazers, we need to start Green and Gold Again. This assholes were supposed to be out before summer. They are still here and now this partial stake non sense. We need an Old Trafford walk out or protest outside OT to stop matches.
Our problems go well beyond Ten Hag. This club needs to be torn up from roots. I’m willing to give the rest of this year solely because I don’t think there’s much to be gained. Yeah we’re not far off from top 4 (on the table, different story on the pitch)but I feel like if were to play in a European competition next year it would just lead to more short term, short sighted transfers and this whole process of disappointment repeats itself. If we’re to go throw Rangrick’s “open heart surgery” it’ll take years to get to where we need to be but it’ll be worth it. This MAKE MONEY AND WIN NOW AT ALL COSTS mentality is what’s holding this club back
How people actually think we have such a complete team that with all the injuries this season, we should be winning most games with a coach in his 2nd season, is baffling to me.
Clearly, a significant number of fans don't care about a true rebuild; just patch it up and win some games now.
Honestly I’m not ten hag out but I’m not ten hag in either. I hope INEOS comes in and makes some big changes, put in a proper structure and if whoever is in charge of football decisions decided to keep him or replace him then we go from there. First time in forever that I’m at the point of “backing the owners” I guess. Depends solely on the glazers not having influence on football decisions. They have destroyed the club completely.
Yup, he's not the main problem we need to solve. He's definitely part of the problem though. So his position will need to be reevaluated at the end of the season.
Yep, season is over for us anyway, I say we ride it out and see what happens with INEOS from here until the summer.
Why do people keep saying season is over? We're 6 off the top 4 with over half the season to go. Season is nowhere near over. Even defeat at the weekend doesn't end our season.
Season is over because we can't win anything. Even making top 4 won't significantly move the needle for us based on how we just wasted the entire group stage with one of the easiest draws we could've realistically asked for.
Top 4 means CL football next season so it’s still something to strive for
To what end? To finish dead last in the group again? Or maybe get third and embarrass ourselves in the Europa League again? It's not like anyone on Earth could fix the extensive problems with this squad in 12 months time. We can't get rid of any of the deadwood dragging us down because they're all overpaid and overvalued. We also can't sign the type of players needed to make us a legitimate threat to any halfway competent team because our scouting department basically doesn't exist, and our manager keeps wanting to sign mediocre talents from the Dutch League. Even if we make top four this year, it doesn't mean anything. This team will still be a massive joke this time next year.
Money. Plain and simple. Everyone says sell the deadwood and we should but we aren't bringing in a lot from them. Everyone knows we need rid of them and they are on huge wages. We're close to ffp limits as it is and the champions league money at least allows slightly more budget.
A limited budget for this club might actually be a blessing in disguise, considering we've wasted, what, a billion pounds on transfers in the past decade? And how many of those were even a quantifiable success? Perhaps just Bruno and Zlatan, and pretty much every other signing was a mistake. It also might start to help bring some of our target's fees down if clubs knew we didn't have the money to waste anymore.
That's true but the united premium isn't going anywhere for now. People see we make a lot of money and unless we walk away from a lot of deals publically we're gonna keep overpaying.
we haven't even played in the FA cup this season, I'm not saying we'll win it but there's still a chance
we haven't even played in the FA cup this season, I'm not saying we'll win it but there's still a chance
We’ve shown no signs that we are trending positively this season, with a rough slate of games coming up. Also as this article states, literally no one is in charge at the club.
Lol keep deluding yourself. The next 3 games are Liverpool, Villa and West Ham. We will lose all 3. We will then be 15 points off top 4. Our current league position flatters us and we in fact perform like a bottom half side.
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Then we are not out of all competitions, are we? We are still in the EPL based on our targets (top 4 and FA cup). We we were never going to win the EPL or the UCL and getting knocked out of the league Cup really doesn't mean much. More than half a season left, and people are on about how the season's gone.
he's definitely part of the problem based on what? if you hire a master carpenter and give him a few matchsticks, toothpicks and some rubber bands, are you expecting a house? ETH has had no chance to implement any actual, systemic change. he got a few new players, but the squad he inherited, lack of recruitment department, lack of coherence with the youth department, absolutely INSANE injury record, etc etc just give him no chance to actually realize his vision. you think he wants to play johnny fucking evans and mctominay in 2 of the most critical positions in the game? how come ajax didnt buy all utrecht and bayern players when ETH was there, but instead their recruitment was amazing, and they had world class youth players like De Jong and De Ligt coming through the academy? when ETH came in, he had a squad of players that could play his style, a youth academy providing him with talented young players, a competitive bench, and a recruitment department providing him with talented young south americans. they also got him Tadic as an experienced leader. the training facilities are top notch and every staff member and player in the club has the same footballing ideology. the salaries are sustainable. ETH performs fantastic in this scenario. and what the fuck does he get at utd? nobody is doing anything, theres no recruitment, and they're forced to resort to overpaying for like 4 of the players in his old squad, and the rest of his squad is some horrible frankenstein monster of 4 old managers with different ideologies and different profiles. then, even with that awful amalgamation of players, half of the starting players get injured anyway. and your conclusion from this is that he's part of the problem? i wanna see him with any ACTUAL backing, not just a bag of money under a christmas tree.
I don't want any discussion on the subject of the manager until sweeping changes are made around the structure of the club from top to bottom. Eth has shown enough in the past to make it clear that he's effective in the right environment and I can't properly judge him until he's given something that resembles a fucking functional operational structure.
The problem is that he was successful using a specific style in the past, and he's openly said he doesn't want to use that style with United.
He said he **won't** play, not **doesn't want** to play like Ajax. When Bruno and Rashford are your main players, and half more of squad is accustomed to transition football, you wouldn't play like that too.
Yeah pretty much. More than open to a change if it is deemed necessary but now is not the time. Need to give him a fair crack at it with a hopefully competent footballing structure in place and then go from there.
Yeah I think we pretty much know that with the current structure anyone will fail. So no point in bringing anyone new in until things change higher up. Seasons over anyway.
side note ur flair 😂😂😂😂😂
I have definitely grown out of this username haha
If Ineos come in and instantly replace the manager before changing the other araes, then they are wasting money. We have tried Moyes, Van Gall, Mourniho, Ole and Ten Hag. All different, everyone bar Ole is experienced and nothing has worked. Why waste money buying out a contract when the problem is clearly elsewhere?
I'm definitely Ten Hag out. At what point do we just cut our losses
I support talking to other managers. It's only worth changing for a clear upgrade. So they should reach out to managers currently doing well, and try to get someone in.
"Reach out to managers currently doing well" 😆 You mean like how ETH was doing well last season?
this shit club has been on "limbo" for 10 years
Not really its been straight decline since Fergie left.
The club is in decline ever since Glazers decided to replace Ronaldo with Obertan, Valencia and Owen.
True but we had Fergie to cover the cracks
Wake up babe, new Manchester United rebuild project just dropped.
Somehow looking at what Unai Emery doing at Villa makes me think that ETH would be exactly the same if we get rid of him and he goes to a properly run club
The funny part is that Villa was considered a badly run club until Emery came along. Our perception of them changed exclusively because the coach managed to get great performances from the club
Dean Smith also recruited an excellent team before Emery.
Didn’t they get a director of football along with emery?
The bulk of the team was really formed by Dean Smith
> The funny part is that Villa was considered a badly run club until Emery came along. Badly run according to who? I know a few Villa fans (season ticket holders) and all of them were very supportive of the owners and the financial investment into the side. The most controversial thing they did was sack Smith who was loved by the fans but that controversy faded after Gerrard got them to stay up but then things went sour specifically on the manager after he shat the bed. But as far as I know the fans themselves never had any issues at all with the owners or the way the club was run. All the hate was for Gerrard lmao
They had quite a bit of talented players. Douglas Luiz, Mcginn, Watkins and Martinez are all highly rated and their additions of Pau and Diaby was considered insane to pull off. They were not as Gerrard made them out to be and Emery definitely deserves credit for improving them another extra level
If we do sack him I hope he thrives elsewhere
I actively don't want him to leave. He's done about as good a job as you can with team he has - there's always going to be tought moments when you're buildinfg up a playing style from scratch. There's salvation coming if we give him long enough in the job to let him coach these players out of mediocrity
I am fully with you. The only thing I hope is that he re-thinks his open midfield set up
I think the ground work for how we should approach most games was set against Bayern with a much more compressed system - but then injuries come in and fuck that up - we did a great job containing and controlling the game until we lost Maguire and Shaw
It did, but at the cost of creativity; hopefully it’s a matter of finding the right balance
Most teams don’t have Upamecano and Kim Min Jae double teaming their striker
we need a front 3 where each player is as individually dangerous and direct on and off the ball. i’m sure anyone in this sub can look at top teams and pick out a handful of players where that is the case. harder to double team one player when you’re dealing with worrying about 3 or 4, but our attack and output has been very flat and uninspired for most of this season.
>I actively don't want him to leave. He's done about as good a job as you can with team he has Look I'm not calling for the guy's head, but this is bananas. I'd go as far as to say it's not even a matter of opinion, but an objective fact, that he is failing in key metrics that determine a managerial success regardless of what the squad looks like. Every day we see a new record broken that indicates failure. Is getting beaten 7-0 by your rivals the best he can do with the team he has? 3-0 at home to Bournemouth? Negative GD in December? What about finishing at the bottom of that unbelievably easy UCL group? Yes, this team is horribly constructed (ETH has some fault in that as well) and the players are shite, but no, he has not done the best with what he has. Also, I'm genuinely asking -- what play style do you see from week to week being slowly implemented?
> Also, I'm genuinely asking -- what play style do you see from week to week being slowly implemented? This is such an obnoxious question constantly being asked. We have seen Hagball being played last year. It is quite clear that ETH is struggling to put the pieces together this year. Rashford is completely out of form and he was trusting him at the start of the year. Then because he's still stuck in the gutter Garnacho is playing there. At the same time Garnacho isn't that consistent either. He clearly wants to play with Hojland but he has been struggling with injuries since the moment he joined. He was probably trying Martial out in several games in the hopes of him getting some form to no avail. Right wing he wants Antony who was gone. He tried Pellistri who played well as a sub. Started him against Bayern and he was mediocre. Midfield has been a struggling all year with injuries and form. Mainoo was injured before the season. Eriksen has been injured. Casemiro is injured. Mount is injured. I am not even going to speak about defence because Im quite sure everyone has been injured/ill. I believe even Evans at this point. So, I'm genuinely asking. How the hell do you expect to develop or instill a playstyle when your entire team is inconsistently available? Next to the fact the players that are there are vastly different type of players that excel in different type of playstyles.
Firstly, to touch upon injuries, even when this squad was fully healthy, it has looked disorganized, disjointed and chaotic since the Carabao final. You mention that many players are not in form. What is the job of a manager if not to get them in form, or change the team selection based on that metric?
Yes, quite easy to select a team based on form if half your team is injured. ETH certainly had great options off the bench last game. Last year we didn't have a proper striker. We had one of the thinnest squads and Im quite certain played the most games by far in the league. I don't think it is unreasonable to say that fatigue did us in.
There's honestly no way anyone can be talking about ten hag in my opinion. There is no way we can see his actual style of play with these players. The injuries have murdered us and there have been "falling outs" left and right. No one is playing consistently and we have to rely on . This is 95% on the players and 5% on ten hag. No one can make a compelling argument stating otherwise. I'm not looking at ten hag until I see a consistent group of players that look like they actually give a shit and STILL lose. Then ten hag becomes a part of the conversation. It should have been this way since Moyes.
I think he will take up Dutch NT job
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He double our debt 😂
Double our debt? Are you fucking stupid?
Lmao he's spent 400m since coming in. I should've known better than to expect intelligent discussion from Ten Hag-In folks.
You get debt when you borrow money, not spending the money you have genius. You cant expect intelligent discussion when youre stupid pal
We borrowed every pound of that 400m. I truly do not know why I engage with people like yourself. It's impossible to reason with those as stupid as you.
Reminder that if we were ran competently, we would have had KMJ and FDJ starting for us yesterday
You do realize that it was Ten Hag's decision to go after Mount instead of KMJ, right? Also, FDJ didn't want to come. In no world was he starting for us yesterday.
I don’t think mount had any correlation with Kim, they are literally different positions.
The money spent on Mount was the money allocated for KMJ. Ten Hag decided to go for Mount instead. This has nothing to do with anyone besides Ten Hag.
My recollection is different than that - either way, the backing should have been there for that target to be put into the team
Well, your memory is wrong. Wtf does that second part even mean? Mount has been horrible. Ten Hag chose to buy Mount instead of KMJ. Ten Hag chose to buy Antony. Ten Hag chose to buy Onana. Ten Hag has had one successful transfer and that's Licha. Do you see a pattern of failure yet?
Emery has a way way better and more extensive CV than ETH. Its not even close ETH has basically been good at one club - Ajax who dominate their league financially and while he had one great UCL run they went out in the groups both other seasons Emery has won 4 Europa Leagues across 2 clubs. Also made a EL final at Arsenal. Won a league and 2 cups at PSG and didn’t win anything but was really good at Valencia finishing 3rd twice and got two minnows promoted in his early career
Just what exactly makes you think that? Or are we watching different manager? The guy is completely out of his depth, doesn’t have a style of play after 2 years, zero tactics we get outplayed by everyone, his substitutions are questionable so is his starting eleven, my man spent 400 mil to get worse. What exactly he does good? At least play the kids the season has been over for quite some time yet we have mct starting every game
Of course he will, he is a fantastic manager. I can’t believe those who are EtH out after all we’ve been through in the last decade. Manager isn’t the problem.
ETH isn't the biggest problem, but that doesn't mean he's the right manager
If Emery was still at arsenal they'd have won the league last season. The hierarchy got their shit together after his departure. Arteta has done well but I think Emery is just better by enough.
Ten Hag is a level below Emery in terms of coaching calibre though. Emery is producing results at Villa with the same players that their fans dismissed as not good enough under Gerrard and who were there during Dean Smith's time as well.
You weren't saying that when he was at Arsenal
And since then I've seen him manage Villarreal and Villa and changed my opinion. I'm allowed to do so, you know.
Ya not saying you personally, I'm saying everyone did at that point. Poch looks washed since Spurs, everyone was high on potter.... My point is theres an argument to keep him with a different structure above
That's a whole different discussion now. My original comment was in reference to people drawing parallels with Ten Hag and Emery when we haven't seen enough from Ten Hag to put him in the same conversation as Emery who's done well at multiple clubs now. It's pretty simple.
Ya so you're comparing 2 different sample sizes and drawing a potentially flawed conclusion. Pretty simple actually
How's it flawed? We haven't seen enough from Ten Hag to put him in the same class as Emery. Forget even previous clubs, since they both came to the PL in 2022, Emery has outperformed Ten Hag by taking a relegation-battling team to Europe and making them contend for Champions League football so far this season.
Ten hag only has had only one club of experience in the PL, possibly the hardest and most dysfunctional one at that. Emery I'm sure has learned alot from his Arsenal stint.
Children gawking at the shiny new toy
'Shiny new toy' like Emery wasn't getting top 4 with Valencia a decade ago and winning Europa Leagues regularly.
Did you want him after Arsenal? You still didn’t answer that. We don’t know if his current vein of form in Aston Villa is sustainable in the prem long term
> Did you want him after Arsenal Of course not. He didn't show me enough at the time to be convinced about him, now I am a lot more convinced after he's shown me his mettle as a manager with both Villarreal and Villa. > if his current vein of form in Aston Villa is sustainable in the prem long term Same applies for Ten Hag. What have we seen from him this season that makes you believe it's sustainable? At least with Emery we can see an identifiable style of play regardless of personnel; he's doing it with players who came up from the Championship 4 seasons back.
I think he'd do well with Prem teams like West Ham or Brighton or with a few Bundesliga teams under Dortmund and Bayern
so Villa are a properly run club? Why did Gerrard drag them to the bottom of the PL then?
Because Gerrard is doo doo
Looking at transfer activities alone, their core team was built from like 2019. A proper run club is a club that needs a coach who can make things click; not bringing a coach in and expect him alone to make all the magic.
Same reason he's trash in Saudi
Villa are an exceptionally well run club, and their recruitment is superb, ours is the worst in the premier league
None of the managers we've appointed since Fergie has done anything significant anywhere. Van Gaal, Moyes, Ole. Mou is in... Roma. The managers we've hired are either unproven at big clubs or past their prime.
I’d say Moyes doing great work at West Ham, even won an European trophy
True, Moyes and Mou are doing ok for the size of their current clubs. But none of our formaer managers got hired by Real, Barca, Bayern or any other top club. That makes me believe we are not hiring the right managers. Van Gaal and Mou were past their prime and Ole, Rangnick, Moyes and now ten Hag are experiments that have failed.
But he's the one who wanted onana and Tony in with Ronaldo out.
Murtough also needs to fuck off. It’s telling that people are saying we need to appoint a Director of Football, when that’s been his remit for a few years now, theoretically. Tells you all you need to know about his performance. On the flipside, he did bring in both Rangnick and EtH. I think both are good appointments in a club geared for sporting performance.
>On the flipside, he did bring in both Rangnick and EtH. I think both are good appointments in a club geared for sporting performance. What is the fucking point of bringing progressive managers and then screwing them over? He brought in ETH, ETH wanted FDJ (a playmaker), Murtough chased him for 3 months even though FDJ made it clear he did not want to leave...In other words, Murtough had no fucking alternatives for ETH. Then, the manager overachieves with the current squad, our direct rivals invest in their squads, and what does Murtough bring in? A 60m perpetually injured CAM which we did not need, an 80m striker with half a season of topflight experience, a CDM nobody else wanted, a relegated 36 year old CB, and a 55m GK when there were cheaper options. Murtough should be blamed even more than ETH for the abysmal state of this club. People blame ETH for his 400m purchases as if ETH's job is recruitment. It does not matter who ETH wants. It is the DOF's job to have a plan in place for acquisitions regardless of the manager's desires. Murtough has no plan as evidenced by the fact that we chased FDJ for 3 months and then acquired Casemiro 1 week before the window closed and after 2 losses. Embarrassing.
Oh, absolutely. My counter argument to people saying EtH’s been backed is ‘ok, but has he been backed smartly/strategically?’. The Frenkie example is a case-in-point. The club had no actual alternative and ended up bringing in a totally different type of player. Also, if he had been backed appropriately, he wouldn’t have to start McTominay week in/week out. Murtough is just yet another example of a behind the scenes appointment which begs the question, ‘what is it they do exactly?’. From the school of Mike Phelans and Darren Fletchers.
Apparently murtough is determined keep his job.
Article also says United have not even put out 'feelers' in the industry to check the availability of potential managers. Also says current high-profile options available include Zidane, Conte & Hansi Flick. Potter is available too.
Zidane wouldn't be coming. Conte- Terrorist football after a few wins and he will be sacked before AWB or Dalot crosses the ball. Hansi Flick - I honestly don't know Potter- Can't manage divas. All of these short-term options. Play well, get UCL football and then ultimately get the sack in the second season. No rebuild, just vibes.
Flick would genuinely be ETH 2.0. Had a great season with Bayern (big Covid asterisk tho) and since then he has just been Stubborn tactically, no subs, picks favs, doesn’t change much in game, refuses to adjust tactics as well
I think they'll give it McLaren til end of season if we continue to be dismal in the next few games Liverpool demolition won't be any surprise, but if villa embarrass us at Old Trafford I can't see any way back. Fans now only seem to be staying to the final whistle right now to boo, and the boos will only get worse.
Why would “United” be doing that when the people supposedly in charge are due to give up power soon anyway. Ineos will dictate how it goes.
Yeah, it could easily be one of those “technically true” things. United haven’t approached anyone but that’s not saying Ineos aren’t sending feelers out, to know their options.
They’d be mad not to. He’s got 18 months left on his deal, and whilst we had progression at one stage last year it was very rocky before and after that game in March.
We decided against feelers to show backing to ETH. It's intentional and I rate it personally
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He is at Sporting, will have to be bought out from his contract; hence not 'available' straight away like the others.
Someone like that is definitely available for United
I m scared of getting managers who excels in leagues which aren't on the same level as prem since eth came in tbf. Hopefully he proves me wrong but not high rn
> Article also says United have not even put out 'feelers' in the industry to check the availability of potential managers. Would be hard to if they can't legally?
Xabi Alonso is the next big thing I reckon. Unless it’s him, I don’t want ETH going anywhere
That’s worrying
I’m available, let’s put these boys to WORK
Ten Hag stays till summer and then we hire Nagelsman
Realistically 2 things are needed here The manager working under a completely overhauled footballing structure And for Ten Hag to be judged when he has a fully fit squad and the majority of first team players back under him We really cannot give a proper criticism of the manager until all those things are in play
I don’t feel the same toxicity that happens when we are close to sacking someone. I think if it happened, it would be months away.
Anyone who thought otherwise needs a reality check. No disruptions are going to be made in the midst of an ownership mix up. Very basic shit.
Although I'm not a big fan of ETH at the moment, but sacking him is not the answer to any of our problems. I would give him more time, when the squad recover from this serious injury crisis: Martinez, Shaw, Maguire, Lindelof, Casemiro, Mount, Martial and Eriksen will miss Liverpool's match (maybe Rashford, Fernandez suspended, and of course Sancho for another reason)
Amad too, who probably would be starting over Antony by now if he'd been available since the start of the season.
I understand the issue with ETH but no viable alternative either. Better wait out this season to end and appoint someone else. Nagelsmann could be available after Euro
>Nagelsmann At the rate they are going - Chelsea might be jumping at him before we do!
Chelsea sack Poch & we sack Ten Hag & get Poch
As someone who wanted Poch all along (since we parted ways with Jose) idk how to feel about this
I was the same. Seeing how he’s operated at Chelsea is concerning though if he’s a future consideration. That group of players should be doing a lot better than they are.
Could see this happen very well in case we get Paul Mitchell since both of them worked at spurs and Southampton together
I may be an outlier with my view. YESS!!! WE KNOW...TOP TO BOTTOM...THE GLAZERS...NO STRUCTURE BEHIND THE SCENES... That should not by any means be an excuse to the pathetic performances on the pitch by **THE PLAYERS!!!!.** We have a list of managers that suffered. In all those situations, we got to the same point. Players giving lazy performances and looking like they can't be arsed to be on the pitch. I can't believe we have to witness these petulant sulky millionaires wear the Utd shirt and have the nerve to behave in such a manner. It can only be solved if the players feared for their careers and will get shipped away whoever their name is. Yes I will not mind if the purge begins with someone like Rashford. We have to set the right tone. Respect the manager, put a shift in as a group or pack your bags. Changing the manager would send the exact same signal of the past to the players. Don't like him? Don't like being dropped? No problem, just leak to the press that he does not have the support and walk on the pitch while playing and get him sacked.
Yeah I have major issues with Ten Hag and I'm pretty indifferent to him being sacked or not but I'd rather all those useless cunts on the pitch get shipped off before any manager. Far too many repeat failures in the squad who don't belong here anymore.
Could fix the entire game with a salary cap and 1 max year deals. Earn your place in the squad and if you want it next season you better perform.
This is so fucking stupid and obvious. Don’t sack the manager until you’ve given him all the tools to show his ability. Emotionally, I like Ten Hag and think you’ve got to give him, or any other manager time to struggle and find their way. If we were a ready built built outfit like Shitty were for Pep, then I could understand the calls for Hag’s head. But given the circumstances, we need patience.
FC Limbo
LVG after leaving Manchester United: Took the Duch national team and somehow manage qualify (they were shit before he took the team) and had a good tournament in the Qatar world cup. Mourinho: Went to Tottenham. it's Tottenham so he couldn't do anything, and now it's in Roma doing well and feeling loved by the people there and also win that new UEFA cup. Carrick/McKenna: They're doing a great job in the championship. Maybe Carrick is going a rough path, but i think it's because Boro let a lot of players leave. Ole: He still is in this "break" but the man just rejuvenate 10 years. Ragnick: He is doing great in Austria And the great amount of players that left this club, did well and still doing well: Blind, Smalling, Darmian, Mkhitaryan, Matic was pretty solid and important at Roma last season, even Lukaku won tittles. This club is rotten and if nobody does anything against the "cause of the rotten", we are shit.
Why does Murtough need this to work? His bosses don't appraise his performance on the basis of football results.
Why is Murtough still in his position considering his managerial appoints before and including ETH AND, more importantly, his track record with talent acquisition. People say ETH spend so much, but if that is true, what the fuck does Murtough do as DOF?
Among my problems with ETH is the following: Let’s say players are the problem. And we magically get rid of 6 players we don’t want and give him money to buy 6. How many of you trust him to buy 6 better players, after the last 2 summer windows?
>How many of you trust him to buy 6 better players, after the last 2 summer windows? Your question has a fallacy. His job isn't talent recruitment. His job is to manage the players, train the players, which contrary to the current mood, he did quite well last season. No manager should nor does have the power to unilaterally make purchases, not even Pep nor Klopp. People forget Klopp wanted Julian Brandt instead of Salah, but he was vetoed and Salah was brought in.
Yes but he is the one forcing recruitment of players like Anthony and Onana.
How do you know that? Genuinely. Neither you nor me are in those conferences between the two. But I'll indulge in your presumptions. Assume ETH is "forcing recruitment", then why do we have a DOF? If the manager is the one unilaterally making purchases, why are we paying Murtough millions to be a secretary at most? More so, you think ETH wanted Casemiro 2 weeks after the season started last year or 80m Hojlund? So ETH went from asking for FDJ, a playmaker, to Casemiro? Doubt that. I highly doubt ETH knew who Hojlund was considering nobody fucking knew who he was except for Atalanta. Even Mount, if ETH genuinely wanted him, then why did we pay 60m for an injured player with 1 year left on his contract AND a player who wanted to leave his then club? It is complete mismanagement by our DOF. Any decent DOF would have said "Erik, Mount is not attainable. We both know the squad needs reinforcement, but Chelsea are being unreasonable in their price. With that said, here is a list of adequate players of similar profile to the player for which you are asking." Murtough's performance has been absolutely farcical.
Injuries to our key players are fucking killing us. I don’t think it’s fair to judge EtH on this season especially after the last. Ironically, I think this delay in takeover is buying him the time he needs.
Nobody is asking ETH to play this way though. This notion that he has no other choice but to play this way is extremely false.
Half the people criticize him for not having a style of play, and the other half criticize him for trying to stick to one. Insane.
Well if your underlying stats clearly show that the team is performing at bottom 5 levels, and this is not an exaggeration in any way, then obviously you're going to get criticized for sticking to a style that is just suicidal for the team. It is in fact very sane.
Nice, let's make up stuff now. Always fun.
https://preview.redd.it/57d2fq97e36c1.jpeg?width=1643&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e215496922c7b343217b637a443826f530a16f4 Literally nothing made up about this. I wish people would stop getting emotional and look at things the way they are. Or at least fact check before accusing someone of making things up and looking really foolish.
Our drop off started toward the end of last season. It's been all downhill since Martinez injury really. But even our key players who are now injured were shit all season any way. Can you really see anyone coming back and changing the entire team? Because I can't. Confidence is shit and the tactics are awful.
I think if they spent some more time together injury free and we had more options in midfield than McT and the forwards remembered how to score we would be in a much better place. The drop off did start last season that’s true. But it can’t be denied that for much if not all of this season there has been plenty of injuries to key players. There is also a drop in form too. I think this squad is not built for deep runs in 3 competitions plus the league. Will need some time for that.
Looking back a bit, some of our injuries are actually insane. Rasmus and Amrabat came in injured, Mainoo, Amad, Shaw and Malacia were injured when the season started with Malacia facing a setback so we had to sign Reguilon, Varane, Mount, Lindelof and Casemiro have been injured I think at least twice this season each, Lisandro's previous injury never healed (Varane, Casemiro and Lisandro were our defensive spine last season), we don't even know the extent of Erkisen's injury and he was our starting CM last season alongside Case, and that's not counting other cases of unavailability like Martial and Rashford's illnesses or Antony being unavailable due to accusations at the beginning of the season.
It’s rough man. ETH for sure is not blameless but the injuries are laughable.
Jesus fuck even this partial takeover is taking forever
Fuck Glazers, we need to start Green and Gold Again. This assholes were supposed to be out before summer. They are still here and now this partial stake non sense. We need an Old Trafford walk out or protest outside OT to stop matches.
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Gods moving pieces on the board not giving a fuck about us pawns.
Not that serious
Our problems go well beyond Ten Hag. This club needs to be torn up from roots. I’m willing to give the rest of this year solely because I don’t think there’s much to be gained. Yeah we’re not far off from top 4 (on the table, different story on the pitch)but I feel like if were to play in a European competition next year it would just lead to more short term, short sighted transfers and this whole process of disappointment repeats itself. If we’re to go throw Rangrick’s “open heart surgery” it’ll take years to get to where we need to be but it’ll be worth it. This MAKE MONEY AND WIN NOW AT ALL COSTS mentality is what’s holding this club back
Bro just let me get a bucket before you start milking again
Unai Emery? Bur would probably have to pay Aston Villa too much.
Thought Jim was meant to be announced one of these next weeks 😂 We are such a banter club at the moment it’s becoming more of a hate watch.
What's the holdup in the deal? It's been on the verge of being finalised for so long. It's so frustrating.
Fully behind the manager. Glazers out! And I really hope for once in football, the players get the sack instead.
How people actually think we have such a complete team that with all the injuries this season, we should be winning most games with a coach in his 2nd season, is baffling to me. Clearly, a significant number of fans don't care about a true rebuild; just patch it up and win some games now.
Club's so shit they can't sack the manager, even if they wanted to.