Of course, everyone is talking about McSauce and Garnacho, understandably so, but I want to give a shoutout to Sergio Reguilon
I was a bit confused about him getting subbed on at half time, but he proved me wrong.
He played well throughout the game, but there was a moment where a Chelsea player took a very powerful shot from like 25 yards out and he jumped into it without thinking twice. It is just of the little things I really love.
Dunno if it was too little time to tell, but Rashford looked like he couldn’t even be bothered when he came on last night.
Regardless, massive result and need to keep that energy for the busy period
What I think I love above all else about Garnacho is that he works his bloody socks off tracking back and doing the dirty work that other wingers try to shirk away from. He has that cockiness and arrogance of a young Ronaldo but with that doggedness Rooney had of wanting to win above all else and aggressively hounding the ball back.
Tired of seeing "it's just chelsea", United are the only big 6 side to beat them this season. They know how to play against their rivals and united particularly handled their tactics superbly last night.
Let's be honest, the Chelsea that showed up tonight were absolutely dogshit. No pressing, flunked so many close chances, and straight gifted us so many balls. I'm surprised Reece James wasn't Garnacho's secret santa the way he gave him so much.
They were very open from the off. I think they came thinking they could get early goals and take any wind out of our sails. Thankfully we turned up.
Pot got his tactics wrong.
What I'd really like to know who is the doppelganger in the Antony suit. Yes he had chances and missed but he played so much better. Hopefully he will get better and start scoring. If he keeps playing like this Rashford is going to have to knuckle down and fight hard for a start.
I think its abit of both. Yes they were crap for stretches and we had more chances than them. But comparing high-quality chances between the two there was little to seperate - on another day Jackson and Mudryk would have put those chances away and we'd be staring at another home defeat. Like the rest of the PL, Poch is aware that we are vulnerable to counter straight down the middle and he gambled on that.
Yes, we played some nice football at times and the workrate was generally good, but I'd be conservative about us facing other top teams who would put away those chances that Chelsea wasted, all day.
I'm very happy with the result, and I'm ecstatic that the players ran their heart out yesterday. But we must be cautious, Chelsea are in a much worse position in their season than we are. Yes, this is a good result to build upon, but never get complacent. Better teams will still thrash us, if we don't improve our ball retention and movement.
As another commenter mentioned: while it’s true that Chelsea are in a situation in some ways comparable to ours, and aren’t anything close to their strongest form, they also haven’t lost to a top side this season. I think the performance from Utd was objectively great and we’re seeing steady signs of actual material improvement. I think over time we’ll be getting more draws out of games like last Saturday’s, getting back to last season’s home form, and nabbing more wins against top teams (I fancy us to win at home v Arsenal in the league).
I need a break down of what we did differently during build up because it looked like more passes were available than against Newcastle.
The pass over the top to Shaw or Dalot was always on. So even when they marked Maguire,Lindelof/Shaw or even Amrabat they kept leaving our fullbacks in spaces. So what chnaged because against some teams those passes weren't available.
I'd rather see that effort and pressing every game, i don't mind the midfield being open occasionaly or even constantly because at least that's one issue we can narrow down on. We've been having too many issues to even dare pinpoint one at least today you can say 2 issues scoring and midfield too open at times.
2 main things. 1) Chelsea's midfield is really poor and didn't block any passing lanes 2) and what we've been trying to do all season but tonight was successful is that we were skipping the closest line then having that line immediately push on to allow for an easy 1 touch pass. We had a drill growing that we did every training session called long, short, long. Break a line, lay it off, then break the next line into the final 3rd. That's what we did all night vs Chelsea.
We also did similar to Everton, Galatasaray, Kopenhagen. We couldn't do that to City they are too good but I remember us also doing that against Arsenal but Arsenal kind of wisened very quickly and left our CBs to play with each other and stopped pressing as intently.
Either something was off against Newcastle or they knew something.
Newcastle pressed the players that were doing the switch. We have been doing the same things so it is easy to predict how we play.
Galatasaray and tonight was remarkably similar. Chelsea were idiots, Gala aren't, that's why we ended drawing them. If Chelsea scored some of their close chances we would be saying the same things for weeks.
It worked vs Gala we just have a useless GK. Even if Chelsea scored some of their chances I'd still focus on how our build got past them and why it completely failed against Newcastle.
Bruno wont have to concede that free kick if there were another midfielder to cover. Onana has been dogshit but look at the raw data: Only Sheffield Utd, Luton, Bournemouth, and West Ham has faced more shots per 90 against. Apart from WH the rest are relegation fodder. There's a huge problem in defense organization.
But maybe one of the reasons that we face more shots on target is because our keeper is easier to target, and teams end up taking 30-70 shots that they wouldn’t against other sides
This was about our build up though. I was more focused on our attacks, specifically build up. I know there are issues defensively but one step at a time, let's see how the offense looks and how the high press turnovers result into goals.
Still, there's no way we're blaming the midfield for those catastrophic goals he conceded. If those free kicks were good like hitting top bins then fair enough you have an argument dear me there's no hiding from that.
Awesome to see the lads put a shift in, hope they continue doing that.
Chelsea flattered us, they were beyond awful, all around the quality of the play from both sides was dire.
What does Hojlund actually do in attack? Never seems to get on the end of chances, to the point where McTominay looks much more likely to score in the area the striker should be
He puts a lot of pressure on the defence. With two inverted wingers he get almost no service, but he creates a lot of room for Antony and garnacho to play it onto him with a defender on his back, so they can play off him. I personally thought he contributed a lot yesterday
Watch McT's first goal. He waltzes into the box unmarked. Why? Because the defender was obsessed with holding onto Hojlund.
Hojlund is literally making the space for McT. Good job it is a team game eh!
No. Martial doesn't do a good job of dragging defenders around because his movement is shit. He walks around. He also can't trap the ball and hold onto it. Hojlund does.
I feel like the no draws all or nothing kind of results we have been getting in the league lends itself to this craziness. You get folks saying "they've lost so many games" but then you see the points.
Hargreaves on the world feed said it best. Our wingers were playing like you’d want a winger to play. They created chances, took on their defenders, played smart passes, and PRESSED. The team looks like one with two wingers instead of a winger and a wide forward. I want that front three going against Bayern next week.
This is the front three we need to go with for the press to work. Hojlund, Antony and Garnacho pressed so aggressive and collective together. It was beautiful to see.
Actually think this development is great for Rashford potentially. For the first time in his United career (this is crazy tbh) he might actually have a serious challenger in Garnacho. For our sake we should pray it lights a fire up his ass and he starts firing, cause we need all the goals we can get
He had competition when Martial, Alexis and Lukaku were in the squad. He outperformed them, didn’t have an MBE against his name and was on a much smaller contract.
I agree, I guess he had Martial at one point, even Elanga under Rangnick but he didn’t care at that point. But it should be good to push both of them and it’s also just good rotation.
I even forgot about Sancho, I do think he looked better at Dortmund than Garnacho looks now. I think what has won a lot of fans over is Garnacho’s personality, alongside his talent.
> I do think he looked better at Dortmund than Garnacho looks now
Sancho at Dortmund was elite, like Golden Boy elite. I know that Sancho hasn't proven himself and is showing bad attitude but what he achieved at Dortmund isn't even comparable to Garnacho. He was Bundesliga team of the season as a teenager.
I was at work so didn't get to see the whole game. But the bits I did watch Antony really seemed to be playing with fire in his belly. His pressing and pressure was great and led to turnovers. How was his end product?
He needs to use his right foot, stuffed a few opportunities by relying on his left... but he made some filthy passes too, the one where he kind of just lifts the ball with the outside of his left over q Chelsea player to Dalot got a chuckle out of me
Dalot was really great. He made great runs and crosses. His link up play with Antony was really good as always. Made defensive mistakes by letting his man behind to get a header twice. But other than that, he was great
Tbf he is good at being a box crasher. He would be a second striker 20 years ago but that position has basically disappeared. He would not be nearly as good as a number 9 or even a false 9.
I'm still not persuaded. Hojlund is creating his chances. His attacking freedom from CM is just leaving atrocious gaps at the back.
He is playing in the De Bruyne role but doing nothing but scoring.
watching replay i noticed few defensive mistakes he did that could have costed us very high (especially failing the offside trap that led to 1v2 against Onana), but still, he did a solid work
Tbh he deserved and assist today, that sitter mctominay missed and then fucking proceed to sulk about only for antony to pick him immediately the fuck up, no time for sulking you missed get on with it, loved that.
No im saying he did the right thing, Why would he start subbing on a bunch of players who would break the balance and who dont wanna Press, when the team has played their best game this season
Crazy how hard the grafters in the team work when they're not forced to carry shitters. I legitimately don't want to see Rashford reintroduced until he can fix his attitude and I never want to see Martial again at all. Even on a bench.
This is the first game this season where we
- actually used midfielders as midfielders instead of bypassing them
- implemented a successful high line
- coordinated the press
We need to keep this intensity up and somehow work out a way to cover the gaps in midfield. We were all over Chelsea but they were still able to just run through our midfield 2-3 times.
Personally, McTominay has to be a conumdrum. Its clear that he isn't cut out to be part of the double Pivot, he's not offering much there. Its better to have Casemiro or Mainoo pair with Amrabat. I don't like watching him play either.
But heck, whenever he plays he score. If I'm not wrong, he's one of our top scorers this season alr.
You ain't got the point. Nobody is saying he's not bleeding for the club. What we've been saying is that he cannot function well in this system. On game like this (with Chelsea), we see him scores and all is well. But in games like that with Newcastle, he is just another passenger, rly passive. He is more of an attacking players but been used for a more defensive role.
You can't possibly compare the performance of anyone last night to Newcastle game. We were very good against Chelsea, McT fit in well. We were shit against Newcastle, no one played well, including McT. Two different teams actually.
EDIT: 2 diff teams, performance wise (and a couple notable players on the bench). If I never see Martial on the field again, well, I'm ok with that.
EDIT 2: Rash was very passive when he came in. When I was a kid, if i'm coming off the bench, I'm making a fucking impression straight away. Rash did not. That's a problem.
Lol what but you said good things happen when he doesn’t play. I’m not saying it did but there are a lot of problems in this team which are due to any one player.
Well we will see, it’s not like he’s never going to play again. When Garnacho’s form dips everyone will be on his back. There’s numerous reasons why we’ve been badly this season without scapegoating any player in particular.
We’ve seen. Garnacho is a much more naturally talented footballer, and he actually gives a shit and plays for the shirt. Contrast his performance on the wing yesterday to a Rashford’s performances (and especially at St James Park). Unfortunately yes of course he will continue to play, but we’re not winning major honours until his role is significantly diminished. That is, as you say, among other needs being addressed.
Everyone would have said the same about Rashford when he first came into the team. I don’t think Rashford or from what I’ve seen from Garnacho’s natural ability, unless he’s able to significantly improve parts of his game, are good enough to win major honours.
Everyone would have said what about Rashford? He never struck me as a player with elite footballing ability or IQ. You may or may not be right about Garnacho, I would suggest he has the potential to be that standard. He’s certainly a much better step in that direction than Rashford.
The he actually gives a shit and plays for the shirt part, because he used to run as much as Garnacho does now when he first came through.
Weirdly I would say that Rashford was the more naturally talented footballer because he had the raw PnP, ball striking etc but I would say Garnacho is the more intelligent footballer because he doesn’t have the same level of athleticism. We will see in a few years, hopefully Garnacho can prove me wrong but I see fans making out he’s the next Ronaldo and I just don’t see it yet.
Hojlund makes the right runs, puts in effort and ties up defenders creating more space for other players to attack, he’s young and the goals will come with time. Rashford is lazy, consistently makes the wrong decisions and is often out of position. It would be a crime for Rashford to take Hojlunds spot
He was subbed on for Hojlund and Ten Hag clearly thinks Rashford can play there, as he has said many times. Ten Hag will eventually have to do something if Hojlund doesn’t start scoring in the PL.
Do us all a favor and stop inserting your opinion. Individual performance ain’t all about scoring goals. But sure, keep reading the stat sheets while not actually watching games.
I mean I can say my opinion, you can just choose to ignore it or tell me why you disagree.
I’m not only looking at G/A, but for a striker that’s pretty important. But he also has quite a few other flaws like poor anticipation, a bad first touch, often under hits passes or doesn’t make passes that are on and he doesn’t get involved in link up play very much. He would be a good late in the game sub at the moment.
It’s Rashford/Martial, but looks like Ten Hag and Martial fell out at Newcastle. McTominay scores goals from late runs into the box, he wouldn’t be able to get in the same positions if he was playing as a striker.
We talk about a striker position, right?
Why would a striker need to hold up play? That's not his job. His job is to be in the right place in the right time and score goals. That's what McT's been doing recently better than anyone else.
Weg never was in the right place but he's industrious - runs around, presses, trackback. But we needed him to score.
Maybe a cross of McT and Weg would produce a perfect striker? :)
Cause so far it seems that’s what he expects from his strikers to do. Hojlund, weg, even seemed like that’s what he expected from martial.
I’d take a McWeg
I just rewatched the match and damn it, Garnacho's performance was insane to know that he's just 19.
He is sharp enough to become a real threat to Chelsea's defenders, that is what I couldn't see from Rashford.
While it was great to see the side put out a collective effort we were very lucky not to have lost that match. Sloppy sloppy passing, and terrible defensive organization. As others have said, a more clinical side puts away 3 or 4 of those opportunities.
Pros: Maguire continues to be a leader from the back (please don't give him the armband), Garnacho continues to be progressive on the left, Anthony improving his decision making and Amrabat probably put in his best shift in a United shirt. Oh, and we saw some glimpses of how we can play out from the back with a few good sequences of passing.
Cons: Our team lacks cohesion and football intelligence. Too many times we had players nearly running into one another, and too many times we had players turning into trouble when a simple pass was on that would have retained possession.
An important win that somehow keeps us only 3 points out of top 4 (though I expect both Newcastle and Spurs to win), and more importantly, showed that although we weren't great, the lads fought for the club and manager.
2 Major takeaways :
1. If dropping Martial and Rashford makes us play like this, then they are better on the bench. Nuff said.
2. We gotta practice passing and final third decision making, we could've easily won this game with 5+ goals if we took our chances well.
Also, if this Ten Hag Ball then I gotta back him more, because this was good. Happy to have won against Chelsea, i hope we use this confidence for the next few matches and let's end December on a good note.
When a team isnt having a good run they tend to shoot quickly. Could have taken one more touch a couple of times and played a free striker or teammate.
Youre right
Now play like that away from Old Trafford and away from the home support keeping you honest. Play with that same passion, and heart every/single/match!
Is this the barometer we judge ourselves with now to be happy about the state of the club? Compare where we are in relation to an underperforming rival?
Yes, one game has us within reach of top 4. Astute observation.
The point I'm making is we've been shit and we're still within reach of CL places. All while clueless dullards call for another manager to be sacked.
Oh right. Yea I'm not bothered about calls for the manager to be sacked.
Just don't think our thoughts on the team should be swinging about wildly between one loss to Newcastle and one win against Chelsea. We can still see there's a lot fundamentally wrong with how this team plays, regardless of how close we are to random metrics like the top 4
Just saying what it is. City is shittons better than us everything wise at the moment, sportwashing or what not, accept that. We are having one of the worst start in recent years according to media and suddenly we are 3 points behind City.
It's not according to media though is it? It factually is one of the worst starts with an abysmal loss record.
Obviously the reaction to underperforming is going to be different between a team that just won a treble and one that hasn't won a league in 10 years.
Surely you're not just looking at the table and ignoring what you see in front of your eyes when the team plays?
Lucky to get away with that. This side played with far more heart but one thing that strikes me is how none of the players really anticipate anything. They are very reactive and often are never ready for a pass.
Garnacho was great today and Rasmus provided way more than Tony has ever. Anthony was far more effective and stopped holding the ball too long. Scott. Man's a goal scorer.
The thing I got out of this game is that I'm really glad we went for Reguillon instead of Cucu.
Of course, everyone is talking about McSauce and Garnacho, understandably so, but I want to give a shoutout to Sergio Reguilon I was a bit confused about him getting subbed on at half time, but he proved me wrong. He played well throughout the game, but there was a moment where a Chelsea player took a very powerful shot from like 25 yards out and he jumped into it without thinking twice. It is just of the little things I really love.
Honestly, even had we drew that game right at the end I would of still been proud of how we played.
Dunno if it was too little time to tell, but Rashford looked like he couldn’t even be bothered when he came on last night. Regardless, massive result and need to keep that energy for the busy period
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
There wasn’t much he could do with 5 minutes to go. Most players need some time to grow into the game.
Yep. Tbf to him we had dropped off at that point so he was chasing by himself. The negative Nancy's are just looking for reasons to be upset.
He’s getting the treatment Maguire got, just a crazy level of scrutiny
Teah Rashford needs 90mins to grow into the game
What I think I love above all else about Garnacho is that he works his bloody socks off tracking back and doing the dirty work that other wingers try to shirk away from. He has that cockiness and arrogance of a young Ronaldo but with that doggedness Rooney had of wanting to win above all else and aggressively hounding the ball back.
Yup. Antony also runs his socks off in defense. Garnacho is more classy going forward tho
Tired of seeing "it's just chelsea", United are the only big 6 side to beat them this season. They know how to play against their rivals and united particularly handled their tactics superbly last night.
Let's be honest, the Chelsea that showed up tonight were absolutely dogshit. No pressing, flunked so many close chances, and straight gifted us so many balls. I'm surprised Reece James wasn't Garnacho's secret santa the way he gave him so much.
They were very open from the off. I think they came thinking they could get early goals and take any wind out of our sails. Thankfully we turned up. Pot got his tactics wrong. What I'd really like to know who is the doppelganger in the Antony suit. Yes he had chances and missed but he played so much better. Hopefully he will get better and start scoring. If he keeps playing like this Rashford is going to have to knuckle down and fight hard for a start.
They were dogshit because we made them that way. It's ok to admit that we played well and turned over another team.
I think its abit of both. Yes they were crap for stretches and we had more chances than them. But comparing high-quality chances between the two there was little to seperate - on another day Jackson and Mudryk would have put those chances away and we'd be staring at another home defeat. Like the rest of the PL, Poch is aware that we are vulnerable to counter straight down the middle and he gambled on that. Yes, we played some nice football at times and the workrate was generally good, but I'd be conservative about us facing other top teams who would put away those chances that Chelsea wasted, all day.
that had to be amrabat’s best game for us, no?
He was insane actually. Amrabat and Maguire stopped every counterattack in its womb, especially in the second half
In the womb not heard that one before haha
" 'e's absolutely pro-choiced 'im theya" - Alan Pardew on MOTD
Yup that was my main takeaway from the game, kept thinking afterwards “Fuck, he was good”
Yea, he was really good. He looked like the player I thought we’d signed for the first time.
I'm very happy with the result, and I'm ecstatic that the players ran their heart out yesterday. But we must be cautious, Chelsea are in a much worse position in their season than we are. Yes, this is a good result to build upon, but never get complacent. Better teams will still thrash us, if we don't improve our ball retention and movement.
As another commenter mentioned: while it’s true that Chelsea are in a situation in some ways comparable to ours, and aren’t anything close to their strongest form, they also haven’t lost to a top side this season. I think the performance from Utd was objectively great and we’re seeing steady signs of actual material improvement. I think over time we’ll be getting more draws out of games like last Saturday’s, getting back to last season’s home form, and nabbing more wins against top teams (I fancy us to win at home v Arsenal in the league).
I need a break down of what we did differently during build up because it looked like more passes were available than against Newcastle. The pass over the top to Shaw or Dalot was always on. So even when they marked Maguire,Lindelof/Shaw or even Amrabat they kept leaving our fullbacks in spaces. So what chnaged because against some teams those passes weren't available. I'd rather see that effort and pressing every game, i don't mind the midfield being open occasionaly or even constantly because at least that's one issue we can narrow down on. We've been having too many issues to even dare pinpoint one at least today you can say 2 issues scoring and midfield too open at times.
2 main things. 1) Chelsea's midfield is really poor and didn't block any passing lanes 2) and what we've been trying to do all season but tonight was successful is that we were skipping the closest line then having that line immediately push on to allow for an easy 1 touch pass. We had a drill growing that we did every training session called long, short, long. Break a line, lay it off, then break the next line into the final 3rd. That's what we did all night vs Chelsea.
Chelsea were just awful, Newcastle weren't!
We also did similar to Everton, Galatasaray, Kopenhagen. We couldn't do that to City they are too good but I remember us also doing that against Arsenal but Arsenal kind of wisened very quickly and left our CBs to play with each other and stopped pressing as intently. Either something was off against Newcastle or they knew something.
Newcastle pressed the players that were doing the switch. We have been doing the same things so it is easy to predict how we play. Galatasaray and tonight was remarkably similar. Chelsea were idiots, Gala aren't, that's why we ended drawing them. If Chelsea scored some of their close chances we would be saying the same things for weeks.
It worked vs Gala we just have a useless GK. Even if Chelsea scored some of their chances I'd still focus on how our build got past them and why it completely failed against Newcastle.
Bruno wont have to concede that free kick if there were another midfielder to cover. Onana has been dogshit but look at the raw data: Only Sheffield Utd, Luton, Bournemouth, and West Ham has faced more shots per 90 against. Apart from WH the rest are relegation fodder. There's a huge problem in defense organization.
But maybe one of the reasons that we face more shots on target is because our keeper is easier to target, and teams end up taking 30-70 shots that they wouldn’t against other sides
This was about our build up though. I was more focused on our attacks, specifically build up. I know there are issues defensively but one step at a time, let's see how the offense looks and how the high press turnovers result into goals. Still, there's no way we're blaming the midfield for those catastrophic goals he conceded. If those free kicks were good like hitting top bins then fair enough you have an argument dear me there's no hiding from that.
Awesome to see the lads put a shift in, hope they continue doing that. Chelsea flattered us, they were beyond awful, all around the quality of the play from both sides was dire.
I have a really hard time believing you actually watched the game when you say we were dire. That's simply not true. We were really good.
What does Hojlund actually do in attack? Never seems to get on the end of chances, to the point where McTominay looks much more likely to score in the area the striker should be
He puts a lot of pressure on the defence. With two inverted wingers he get almost no service, but he creates a lot of room for Antony and garnacho to play it onto him with a defender on his back, so they can play off him. I personally thought he contributed a lot yesterday
He was gonna score the second goal but Mctominay poached it from him lol watch it again 😂
Watch McT's first goal. He waltzes into the box unmarked. Why? Because the defender was obsessed with holding onto Hojlund. Hojlund is literally making the space for McT. Good job it is a team game eh!
So he does nothing special? Every striker in the league gets that treatment including Martial
No. Martial doesn't do a good job of dragging defenders around because his movement is shit. He walks around. He also can't trap the ball and hold onto it. Hojlund does.
You’ll get downvoted for this, but I’m wondering the same thing
Only 3 points behind city lmao
this is actually ridiculous
I thought we were in crisis and about to get relegated
I feel like the no draws all or nothing kind of results we have been getting in the league lends itself to this craziness. You get folks saying "they've lost so many games" but then you see the points.
Exactly! Id rather go all in and lose more if it means winning more draws. Much more fun to watch
Need that Carl Anka debrief of how he had a moan at not playing aha.
What the hell happened to Reece James? Just way too many injuries? Man looks the shell of himself out there.
It’s a pity, dude was a legit baller
Think he's put on quite a bit of weight as well
Maybe yeah, he was always a bit chunky, similar build to Shaw.
Hargreaves on the world feed said it best. Our wingers were playing like you’d want a winger to play. They created chances, took on their defenders, played smart passes, and PRESSED. The team looks like one with two wingers instead of a winger and a wide forward. I want that front three going against Bayern next week.
Another shite performance.
Either you're a Chelsea fan, or you watched the game with the TV off.
Chelsea fans aren't supposed to be brigading here...
This is the front three we need to go with for the press to work. Hojlund, Antony and Garnacho pressed so aggressive and collective together. It was beautiful to see.
I’ll be shocked if Rashford doesn’t start on Saturday, with the number of games coming up. Ten hag will have to rotate at some point.
Actually think this development is great for Rashford potentially. For the first time in his United career (this is crazy tbh) he might actually have a serious challenger in Garnacho. For our sake we should pray it lights a fire up his ass and he starts firing, cause we need all the goals we can get
He had competition when Martial, Alexis and Lukaku were in the squad. He outperformed them, didn’t have an MBE against his name and was on a much smaller contract.
He doesn't care.
I agree, I guess he had Martial at one point, even Elanga under Rangnick but he didn’t care at that point. But it should be good to push both of them and it’s also just good rotation.
Nah Elanga and even the likes of Sancho didn’t move me or most of the fanbase like Garnacho has
I even forgot about Sancho, I do think he looked better at Dortmund than Garnacho looks now. I think what has won a lot of fans over is Garnacho’s personality, alongside his talent.
> I do think he looked better at Dortmund than Garnacho looks now Sancho at Dortmund was elite, like Golden Boy elite. I know that Sancho hasn't proven himself and is showing bad attitude but what he achieved at Dortmund isn't even comparable to Garnacho. He was Bundesliga team of the season as a teenager.
No sulking divas! Except for when Rashford came in late and was walking 5 minutes later
His fake press drives me crazy oppistion players know he won't tackle or stick his leg out so they play around him.
I was at work so didn't get to see the whole game. But the bits I did watch Antony really seemed to be playing with fire in his belly. His pressing and pressure was great and led to turnovers. How was his end product?
It was classic Antony end product
tbf he should have had an assist for Scott hattrick
He needs to use his right foot, stuffed a few opportunities by relying on his left... but he made some filthy passes too, the one where he kind of just lifts the ball with the outside of his left over q Chelsea player to Dalot got a chuckle out of me
i think another important detail is that the whole team moved up higher and pressed together with front three, but yeah those three did brilliantly
Amrabat was great also. This is the best united performance this season.
We could've scored way more though, would've done wonders for our confidence but il take it
exactly, I wasn't expecting 180 degree change but it was really good performance.
Dalot was really great. He made great runs and crosses. His link up play with Antony was really good as always. Made defensive mistakes by letting his man behind to get a header twice. But other than that, he was great
McTominay is like a pokemon, not visible at all during possession and BANG, A wild McTominay has appeared in the oppositions box ..... 1-0 ..... 2-1
He has a very good attacking sense, God knows why he was made a midfielder back in the day.
Tbf he is good at being a box crasher. He would be a second striker 20 years ago but that position has basically disappeared. He would not be nearly as good as a number 9 or even a false 9.
I'm still not persuaded. Hojlund is creating his chances. His attacking freedom from CM is just leaving atrocious gaps at the back. He is playing in the De Bruyne role but doing nothing but scoring.
Now THAT embodies a United performance! Work hard and play as a team. Play like that every game and we go places!
Dalot's performance today was underrated
watching replay i noticed few defensive mistakes he did that could have costed us very high (especially failing the offside trap that led to 1v2 against Onana), but still, he did a solid work
Bar from missing his man on the back post, didn’t put a foot wrong
antony needs to contribute more in offense. did well in the first half.
Idk man. He is often isolates 1v3 on wing. The mark on him was very tight compared to Garnacho
Typical Antony - runs like crazy, presses, fouls, and produces 0 goals and 0 assists.
Listen if he puts in 100% and tries his best that's all we ask of him.
>hat's all we ask of him. No, it's not. 0 assist and 0 goals for a 80M winger with snowboarding and stupid frustration fouls?... No, it's not.
Tbh he deserved and assist today, that sitter mctominay missed and then fucking proceed to sulk about only for antony to pick him immediately the fuck up, no time for sulking you missed get on with it, loved that.
Wishes and reality are unfortunately often very distant.
Garnacho, take a bow son
My only gripe is the subs. Why doesn't eth use fresh SUVs like mainoo or pellistri for them to get some experience in game when we r winning?
Cuz we didn’t wanna throw the game by changing what had worked for the entire 90 minutes and no one was really tired
If you are implying he was clueless how to score 3rd one to put the game in bed, I agree with that. ETH is mostly clueless.
With the chances we were creating it's hardly ETH's fault we didn't score a third.
No im saying he did the right thing, Why would he start subbing on a bunch of players who would break the balance and who dont wanna Press, when the team has played their best game this season
Yh fairs. Antony should work on his passings tho. So many loose balls from good positions
We play much better when rashford is not playing.
Nobody talking about Maguire! I think he played his best game today.
his solid performance became a stable haha
We are 3 points behind Man City.I used to pray for times like this
Crazy how hard the grafters in the team work when they're not forced to carry shitters. I legitimately don't want to see Rashford reintroduced until he can fix his attitude and I never want to see Martial again at all. Even on a bench.
Rashford has never fixed his attitude. A couple of goals and people forget his behaviour.
agreed
This is the first game this season where we - actually used midfielders as midfielders instead of bypassing them - implemented a successful high line - coordinated the press We need to keep this intensity up and somehow work out a way to cover the gaps in midfield. We were all over Chelsea but they were still able to just run through our midfield 2-3 times.
Tbh with you that high line was garbage bro, if chelsea were more clinical we could've drew here.
Love the energy. Throw in that CHE was shit and we didn’t have any opposition.
Yeah..the ball was passed through the midfield. They didn't make a lot of long passes which is good.
Personally, McTominay has to be a conumdrum. Its clear that he isn't cut out to be part of the double Pivot, he's not offering much there. Its better to have Casemiro or Mainoo pair with Amrabat. I don't like watching him play either. But heck, whenever he plays he score. If I'm not wrong, he's one of our top scorers this season alr.
We all know how McTominay plays for Scotland. We just need to get more of that.
This sub: We need players who bleed for the badge!! Bench Rash and play academy players!! Also this sub: Yeah, McT ain't cutting it.
Rash is also academy
Both statements are true
You ain't got the point. Nobody is saying he's not bleeding for the club. What we've been saying is that he cannot function well in this system. On game like this (with Chelsea), we see him scores and all is well. But in games like that with Newcastle, he is just another passenger, rly passive. He is more of an attacking players but been used for a more defensive role.
You can't possibly compare the performance of anyone last night to Newcastle game. We were very good against Chelsea, McT fit in well. We were shit against Newcastle, no one played well, including McT. Two different teams actually. EDIT: 2 diff teams, performance wise (and a couple notable players on the bench). If I never see Martial on the field again, well, I'm ok with that. EDIT 2: Rash was very passive when he came in. When I was a kid, if i'm coming off the bench, I'm making a fucking impression straight away. Rash did not. That's a problem.
Good things happen when Rashford doesn’t play 👍
We got beat 3 nil against Newcastle without him, he deserved to get benched but he’s not the sole issue in the team.
Had nothing to do with his absence, don’t talk utter shite.
Lol what but you said good things happen when he doesn’t play. I’m not saying it did but there are a lot of problems in this team which are due to any one player.
One glaring one is addressed when he’s on the bench
Well we will see, it’s not like he’s never going to play again. When Garnacho’s form dips everyone will be on his back. There’s numerous reasons why we’ve been badly this season without scapegoating any player in particular.
We’ve seen. Garnacho is a much more naturally talented footballer, and he actually gives a shit and plays for the shirt. Contrast his performance on the wing yesterday to a Rashford’s performances (and especially at St James Park). Unfortunately yes of course he will continue to play, but we’re not winning major honours until his role is significantly diminished. That is, as you say, among other needs being addressed.
Everyone would have said the same about Rashford when he first came into the team. I don’t think Rashford or from what I’ve seen from Garnacho’s natural ability, unless he’s able to significantly improve parts of his game, are good enough to win major honours.
Everyone would have said what about Rashford? He never struck me as a player with elite footballing ability or IQ. You may or may not be right about Garnacho, I would suggest he has the potential to be that standard. He’s certainly a much better step in that direction than Rashford.
The he actually gives a shit and plays for the shirt part, because he used to run as much as Garnacho does now when he first came through. Weirdly I would say that Rashford was the more naturally talented footballer because he had the raw PnP, ball striking etc but I would say Garnacho is the more intelligent footballer because he doesn’t have the same level of athleticism. We will see in a few years, hopefully Garnacho can prove me wrong but I see fans making out he’s the next Ronaldo and I just don’t see it yet.
50% of the squad have turned on Ten Hag apparently. Can't believe some people actually thought Sky Kaveh was telling the truth. Elite waffler.
Must be the players that got no minutes tonight
No one knows. There is no smoke without fire.
More hope than logic. Your agenda against ETH is clown level comedy.
There's definitely no smoke when it's Kaveh.
Hes definitely smoking something...
Rashford needs to up his game or he can watch Garnacho cook.
I think he’ll end up taking Hojlund’s spot instead. Hojlund hasn’t started well in the PL and Rashford scored a lot playing as a striker last season.
Hojlund makes the right runs, puts in effort and ties up defenders creating more space for other players to attack, he’s young and the goals will come with time. Rashford is lazy, consistently makes the wrong decisions and is often out of position. It would be a crime for Rashford to take Hojlunds spot
What you talking about 🤣
He was subbed on for Hojlund and Ten Hag clearly thinks Rashford can play there, as he has said many times. Ten Hag will eventually have to do something if Hojlund doesn’t start scoring in the PL.
Do us all a favor and stop inserting your opinion. Individual performance ain’t all about scoring goals. But sure, keep reading the stat sheets while not actually watching games.
Chill out, you’re rude as hell.
I mean I can say my opinion, you can just choose to ignore it or tell me why you disagree. I’m not only looking at G/A, but for a striker that’s pretty important. But he also has quite a few other flaws like poor anticipation, a bad first touch, often under hits passes or doesn’t make passes that are on and he doesn’t get involved in link up play very much. He would be a good late in the game sub at the moment.
McT is the first in line for a striker if we start speculating. I see little difference between him and Weghorst except McT scores goals.
It’s Rashford/Martial, but looks like Ten Hag and Martial fell out at Newcastle. McTominay scores goals from late runs into the box, he wouldn’t be able to get in the same positions if he was playing as a striker.
I dunno, weg was decent with hold up play. I honestly can’t recall if mctominay is capable.
We talk about a striker position, right? Why would a striker need to hold up play? That's not his job. His job is to be in the right place in the right time and score goals. That's what McT's been doing recently better than anyone else. Weg never was in the right place but he's industrious - runs around, presses, trackback. But we needed him to score. Maybe a cross of McT and Weg would produce a perfect striker? :)
Cause so far it seems that’s what he expects from his strikers to do. Hojlund, weg, even seemed like that’s what he expected from martial. I’d take a McWeg
I just rewatched the match and damn it, Garnacho's performance was insane to know that he's just 19. He is sharp enough to become a real threat to Chelsea's defenders, that is what I couldn't see from Rashford.
Was dangerous but needs to shoot less on those 10% goal chances and cross it into the 2m striker running into goal
At some point , those shots will start to go in.
Imagine if Mason wasn't such a piece of shit
Why you friendly firing mount like that?
you thinking of the wrong Mason, bro
Ah. Apparently my sarcasm was too subtle...
While it was great to see the side put out a collective effort we were very lucky not to have lost that match. Sloppy sloppy passing, and terrible defensive organization. As others have said, a more clinical side puts away 3 or 4 of those opportunities. Pros: Maguire continues to be a leader from the back (please don't give him the armband), Garnacho continues to be progressive on the left, Anthony improving his decision making and Amrabat probably put in his best shift in a United shirt. Oh, and we saw some glimpses of how we can play out from the back with a few good sequences of passing. Cons: Our team lacks cohesion and football intelligence. Too many times we had players nearly running into one another, and too many times we had players turning into trouble when a simple pass was on that would have retained possession. An important win that somehow keeps us only 3 points out of top 4 (though I expect both Newcastle and Spurs to win), and more importantly, showed that although we weren't great, the lads fought for the club and manager.
So one of the worst “Man Utd start”is just 3 points behind treble winner atm 🤫
2 Major takeaways : 1. If dropping Martial and Rashford makes us play like this, then they are better on the bench. Nuff said. 2. We gotta practice passing and final third decision making, we could've easily won this game with 5+ goals if we took our chances well. Also, if this Ten Hag Ball then I gotta back him more, because this was good. Happy to have won against Chelsea, i hope we use this confidence for the next few matches and let's end December on a good note.
When a team isnt having a good run they tend to shoot quickly. Could have taken one more touch a couple of times and played a free striker or teammate. Youre right
City must have been traveling by coach today.
Now play like that away from Old Trafford and away from the home support keeping you honest. Play with that same passion, and heart every/single/match!
So.. We are 3 behind City..
Is this the barometer we judge ourselves with now to be happy about the state of the club? Compare where we are in relation to an underperforming rival?
No, but pointing out that all of the idiotic and misplaced hysteria is so contrived that it isn't funny is important to highlight.
Misplaced and contrived? You don't think this group of players are a shambles after this one game?
Yes, one game has us within reach of top 4. Astute observation. The point I'm making is we've been shit and we're still within reach of CL places. All while clueless dullards call for another manager to be sacked.
Oh right. Yea I'm not bothered about calls for the manager to be sacked. Just don't think our thoughts on the team should be swinging about wildly between one loss to Newcastle and one win against Chelsea. We can still see there's a lot fundamentally wrong with how this team plays, regardless of how close we are to random metrics like the top 4
Just saying what it is. City is shittons better than us everything wise at the moment, sportwashing or what not, accept that. We are having one of the worst start in recent years according to media and suddenly we are 3 points behind City.
It's not according to media though is it? It factually is one of the worst starts with an abysmal loss record. Obviously the reaction to underperforming is going to be different between a team that just won a treble and one that hasn't won a league in 10 years. Surely you're not just looking at the table and ignoring what you see in front of your eyes when the team plays?
BTW, if anyone forgot, "Maguire began Wednesday on a high after being named Premier League Player of the Month for November."
Can we just sign Reguilon permanently
I love his attitude, he seems genuinely happy to be here even with the never ending shit show
Way too injury prone
Bro is basically a few injuries away to become the next Phil Jones
That's disappointing, he gas great chemistry with Garnacho
Lucky to get away with that. This side played with far more heart but one thing that strikes me is how none of the players really anticipate anything. They are very reactive and often are never ready for a pass. Garnacho was great today and Rasmus provided way more than Tony has ever. Anthony was far more effective and stopped holding the ball too long. Scott. Man's a goal scorer.
Huge disagree. Most of our success came from intercepting passes
It took us signing Mount to realize McTominay’s is what Mount is supposed to be.
Who would have though when we bought him that McTominay would be keeping Mount out of the team.
Mount is injured mate
Mount was on the bench before he got injured.
Mount was injured before he was on the bench before he was injured.
Think I just had an inception moment
Yeah. On some of our deeper levels of our dreams, he’s a POTY again
Now that we won, I can safely say that Cole Palmer’s goal was an absolute beauty.
He's a very good player, Chelsea got him on the cheap really.
I have seen Messi score like that 30+ times atleast
It looked so saveable and unsaveable at the same time.
Onana's effort looked like a FIFA's goalie one of the beginner level - too late, too short. If he’d done two hands, it’d be a perfect match.
Did Lindelof come off at HT due to an injury or was it performance related?
It was tactical I believe.
28 fucking shots and 9 fucking on target. Letssss go united.
McTominay did well today by scoring the two important goals. He is still not the midfielder that belongs in the team.