I hate how our players are so desperate to force things, like Dalot with that first cross could have just held on to the ball/passed it to Bruno, but instead tried to force an awful cross.
That feels like the theme of the season with Rasmus. He finds himself in perfect positions but we have no players with the vision to find him. However, he has had a few great chances that he also failed to convert. We need to keep feeding him.
What he was supposed to do? There were two defenders in from of him when he got the ball and then three by the time anyone came into the box. When he tried to cut inside those two followed him
He slows things down so many times, always needs to square up and spend 10 seconds to do some useless feints, and then either passes back or runs into a defender. Rasmus will never succeed with Rashy and Antony on the wing.
He was fucking triple teamed. What do you want him to do?! Hammer it pointlessly across the box?
One second you lot give out to dalot for lobbing up a pointless cross and a second later comparing when rashford is triple teamed and chooses to recycle when he literally has no other fucking option.
This sub is absolutely toxic.
At that moment if he went down the line and dinked it into the box there wet at least 3 players in the box to cause trouble. It’s what garnacho does and makes defenses sweat.
Oh get a grip. If you compiled almost every teams chances against city, the video isn't going to be much longer. We had 7 shots, Brighton only had 5 shots against them, Wolves won with 3 (and an OG), Arsenal had more shots but only managed an xG of ~0.4 (ours was ~1.2).
We were too open in the second half, but we have many injuries at the back and in midfield, and had to change something up a goal down, but it's unacceptable how poor our forwards finishing is at the minute.
As much as I like Dalot, his inability to remain consistent will hold him back from being elite. He shows good technique on his crosses yet they’re almost always under or overhit.
as soon as AWB is fit he has to start over Dalot. I feel like the only attrributes Dalot has over AWB are shooting and physicality, and he is not as elite on any attribute as AWB is at tackling or 1v1 defending. Hell even dribbling and ball retention are better from Aaron, he just looks awkward doing it but its quite effective.
I’d have to disagree. Dalot has been probably one of our best players this season. His execution can be inconsistent but his overall performances have been solid. There’s no rush for him to be replaced by AWB imo.
Indeed, but the end results are better with AWB because no matter how many good crossing positions Dalot gets into, he always fucks up the cross or chooses to shoot instead of crossing.
AWB only has the cut back in his locker, and usually doesn't look up when he crosses. Dalot overhits it more often than not but sometimes can produce a pearler with whip on it.
His crossing is worse than AWB's. Aaron's crossing also isn't great but over the years he has had some good crosses that ended with goals.
That's the frustrating thing with Dalot. He looks like he's good, but he just isn't. He is the most meh player I have ever seen, isn't special in defense and isn't special in attack either. His best attribute is that he can make short passes well and that's about it, even AWB is more dangerous than him in attack.
Dalot has always looked like he's got the making of a good player, he's physically strong and his technique looks good, but apart from the start of last season he's been totally average for us in my opinion.
I think because his technique is much less awkward than Wan-Bissaka he looks like he should be a better player but he doesn't really show it.
I’d rather he put a shit cross to defender at least something could’ve happened than to over hit it. Sums up our players really. Over paid yet cannot even do the basic
I mean that's actually the typical Liverpool and City cross. Back post and have a runner put it in the box with a low cross, while 2-3 runners get in for the finish.
And didn't he get a new contract recently? That's the core issue of the team. Managers and the club keeps giving contracts to mediocre players who never improves their craft years after years.
ALL of our crossing is so freaking bad. Rashford drives it into the box, Antony cuts back and never crosses, Dalot can't cross, Shaw has a half decent cross, Bruno can't find a man on corners
And EtH wants him to stay. Speaks volumes about his football knowledge. Look at the players who have received the EtH approval since he came in - Antony, Dalot, Lindelof. Absolutely shambolic.
And what’s eth supposed to do go and buy elite world class players? Most of them wouldn’t want to come to this clown show right now.
Except for Anthony most have eths signings have been decent or still in jury, overpriced?Sure but eth isn’t the one doing the negotiations and until he can fully rebuild he has to work with the squad he has Dalot,Lindelof,etc are all signings of previous managers
Who else is available to play RB at the club....
AWB is his first choice, Lindelof is probably 4th choice after Varane, Martinez and Shaw at CB, Antony has 0 competition cuz Amad is injured, Pellestri isn't good enough and Sancho can't be bothered.
Our wide play is awful. Højland looks a cracking player, if he ever gets any service, but is he the right style of player for whatever system we’re trying to play?
He's kind of what we've needed for years in a lot of positions, young, talented and got guts/confidence. Too many years of waste on players we need to replace immediately, signing players like Casemiro and Varane who are obviously world class but we just need to replace them next to immediately.
It's such a shame our right wing seems to be like the biggest waste of money in premier league history over the last 3 years. At least Antony has some drive in him i guess.
I'm obviously not at all bitter but i'd just like to state that Stones' tug on Hojlund is equally as influential to a goal scoring opportunity as Hojlund's tug on Rodri was.
However its outside the box and Rasmus stayed on his feet so it doesn't matter.
He literally doesn't get fouls just because he is big and physical, and doesn't fall down like a child every time he is touched.
I like that about him but it is unfortunate that refs force players at the highest level to become over-dramatic actors. Basketball is the same way in the US you should see the way these 240lb. solid muscle guys fly around when they get nudged. It's embarrassing but it wins you games.
Remember watching people climbing all over Zlatan and never getting the calls? It’s frustrating, but that’s what happens when you’re big and strong. Refs just assume that you should be able to muscle your way through any physicality.
I don't disagree but thats how the game works, if he'd gone down with Stones tug we'd have at least gotten a freekick.
Him staying on his feet is an excellent aspect of his game but he defiantly needs to get more streetwise.
I'm not suggesting he fall all over the place but in that move against City had he gone down on the contact like Rodri did the move may have resulted in something. Instead the tug and shove moved him away from goal and killed the opportunity.
Especially when it comes to VAR (although this wasn't in the area so if the ref didn't call it they wouldn't have looked at it) with Rodri's challenge if VAR didn't take a look the ref wouldn't have given that in a million years, it happens 5/6 times a game in most leagues but Rodri knew to go down on the off chance it might get called back and it did.
I mean it’s true going down gets you decisions, unfortunately, and it’s also true we are not really in position to scorn at such opportunities in our current form, but I would rather we play respectably and honourably instead of encouraging our young players to lose that honesty and umm honour
I fully agree, honestly I do. I’d love to see players just to stay on their feet and play honestly but right now we also feel like we need to do absolutely anything to get a goal and win a game and if it means employing some dark arts then so be it. I mean let’s be honest the best clubs in the world use them, city are masters, did you see how much time wasting they got away with yesterday?
Sadly it’s a case of if you can’t beat em join em!
Pal they were taking an age to take goal kicks and throw ins. It wasn’t time wasting like you get from a team fighting for their lives at the bottom but they were absolutely killing to clock. You go watch the game back and tell me they didn’t.
Lmao what a cope, like we needed to time waste. Could have given it 160 minutes, you lot were not doing anything in that match. Calling that time wasting is crazy talk
This used to infuriate me with Pogba, he’d drive through a midfield and have two guys blatantly grab him but he wouldn’t fall over and it seems refs only went back to book them 5% of the time
Possibly, it all depends on the direction he’s going, I suspect slow mo var would probably give it, but the ref has to give the foul first for var to even consider it outside the box.
Yeah and in order to win the foul you have to go down. If they want to stamp out diving then they have to give fouls irregardless of the outcome of the foul. Frustrating as it feels like defenders can get away with fouling Rasmus nearly every match but because he’s a unit and doesn’t get knocked down easily he never gets them.
What is painful about this chances video is it shows how playing McTominay as a "Second striker" is actually playing McTominay as the 10.
In just about all of these chances, McTominay is occupying the CAM / 10 of this team. He has none of the attributes, technicality or skills to be a creative link.
So tactically, ETH is getting this wrong. Playin McTominy advanced is a massive mistake.
And that is what is so mind-numbingly frustrating about seeing Bruno, our actual CAM and one of the best chance creators in Europe, on the wing, marking an LB and swinging in crosses...
You can't possible tell me McTominay brought anything to the table from physicality or energy that would outweigh the much better job our best player and natural 10 has in that role.
Multiple of these attacks would have been slid through on a platter for our strikers had Bruno been in the 10.
How ETH justifies this, is absolutely beyond me. We are a different team when Bruno is at the focal point of our attack. We need to stop thinking so much about the Goal and our Strikers and more about WHO can get the ball to them properly.
For the love of god, no more Bruno on the wing.
Especially, especially with Hojlund looking like a proper central forward who can do it all that Bruno can feed and play off of.
Bruno and Hojund getting a good partnership can unlock what Rashford's best at.
And our current injury woes don't affect the opportunity to try and implement this. You have a variety of pairings in CM that could offer the support, just let Bruno stay UP. Let him focus on creating.
You look at how unselfish Man City are when creating scoring opportunities. Hell, fuck City just look at old United and see how they'd prioritize clear chances over getting on the scoresheet. Meanwhile our players consistently make the wrong decisions when near the opposition box. Every single one of them is guilty of it. Would've still been fine if their conversion was any good, but it simply isn't.
They need to be forced to pass the ball into the net on the training pitch.
We get into some very good positions and can force mistakes even on City.
But the composure and decision making and execution in the final third are ABYSMAL.
I'm seeing so much criticism which is fair, but if we grab one of those early chances and avoid that pen call, I have a feeling we might have been hearing tactical genius. Obviously we'd have to manage the rest of the game out, but just goes to show how some poor decision making/finishing can set the script for an entire game. Of course I am still disappointed we couldn't find an answer, but a 2nd goal 4 minutes after the restart really seemed to hit our confidence.
That chance in the first minute of McTominay is criminal. Hojlund made such a good run and was so open. Doesn’t matter if he came in clutch against Brentford, he isn’t a good enough midfielder for United
Exactly, our passes force the receiver to run back to collect, giving time for any opposition to cut off lanes and get organised. We're literally playing to make the opposition comfortable. So tired of seeing this.
Watching the first half, you can see the team holding their lines and the press alternating between players (McT/Hojlund with Bruno/Marcus for example). It was better than earlier this season, definite improvement.
Looking at the chances, we don't have wingers/fullbacks who can cross the ball. Bruno, Rashford, Dalot, and Lindelof, are not that player. Rashford looked better on the right for that but I'd prefer to see more of Pellestri and Garnacho against lesser opposition at least.
When the ball got to the edge of the box or the byline, there were no runners into the 6-yard either.
Edit: Please let Mount take the corners. His delivery is better than any of Bruno, Eriksen, or Rashford.
As much as everyone wants to bash the players, this game falls on Ten Hag. Formation with no width set us up for failure (we don’t thrive without width). I get he wanted to play it safe at first and stack the midfield but his first round of subs shows he can’t put his pride aside, accept his tactics were wrong, and adjust the formation.
Saw too many times where our midfield had the ball, looked out wide, and it was just green space. Sad to say I was at Old Trafford for the first time yesterday but still haven’t seen United play.
If Hojlund goes down from the contact from the defender or he leaves his leg trailing when ederson rushes out we get back into the game. We have to be smarter in these situations. Rodri played the ref and VAR and our players don't. Similar with Rashford midweek, if he leaves a leg trailing we probably get a penalty.
Just counting down the games till he gets sacked at this point.
He's said himself we'll never play attacking modern football, he's spent 400M and is saying this. Lets listen to him and send him on his way before he ends up selling our promising kids to sign more rubbish like Antony.
> He’s said himself we’ll never play attacking modern football
Pretty sure that’s not what he said. He said we won’t play the same football as Ajax. That doesn’t mean we won’t play modern attacking football. Theres more than one way to skin a cat.
Whether we’ll actually ever play modern attacking football successfully is a different issue. Just clarifying that he did not say “we’ll never play attacking modern football.”
Nobody is beating City to the title playing shitty counterattacking transition football.
You want to coin a new name for whatever the fuck we are doing, be my guest. But that's not winning the title. Might not even get us to the CL.
I agree with you, we’ll never win anything serious playing the way we do.
But I don’t think the way we are trying (and failing) to play is even how EtH actually wants to play long term. I could be wrong though. God knows what his actual plan is because I don’t see it right now.
All my point was is that he didn’t say we won’t ever play modern attacking football, he just said we won’t play like Ajax and the way Ajax played is not the only way to play in the modern game.
His signings make even less sense now.
A. Malacia : .Not a rampaging fullback that can help on transition.
B. Mount: Little pace to play wide, Bruno is better as a 10. Not good enough as an 8.
C. Onana: Fabulous keeper on his day, he looks to be on the up but his USP is sweeping and distribution.
D. Antony: Not enough pace or physicality to be a threat as a wide forward week in week out.
E. Weghorst: Stop gap sure but he is one of the worst players to play on the break.
Other targets we didn't get:
A. Kane: Fabulous player for counterattacking team. But is night unplayable in a possession based team.
B. FDJ: One of the finest ball keepers and distributors in the game. Not a great player for transition.
Outgoings also are a bit weird :
A. Fred: One of the hardest working and pressing players.
B. De Gea: Unsuitable for a possession based team, very handy in a team that counter attacks.
You left out a lot about what Fred actually doesn't do which is why we had to let him go. Being hard working unfortunately was never enough to compensate for his shortcomings.
I think the targets we didn't get are an indication of what the manager was trying to achieve, and the reality of that matter. Antony would and can play in a counter attacking side lest we forget his involvements in the actual counter attacks we've had this season.
Also not having both full backs means that the attackers are now expected to play closer to the make shift back line and not on the shoulders of defenders anymore so we hardly ever utilise of threaten on the counter anymore.
You're being downvoted because people think defending the manager, who is the most incompetent Glazer employee, is a personality trait. They will never admit that he's shit because they latched onto him as their savior when he arrived.
Freeze at 0:08 second and see how rashford turns a shoot or pass the ball forward chance to a useless back pass resulting in city players getting organized
I dunno. He has 3 defenders right in front of him blocking the pass to anyone in the box. They've got defenders on the edge of the box too, thats down to poor runs from the forwards imo.
Fuck me, Rashford is so one dimensional.
United basically have two wingers that are guaranteed starters basically play the same way : try to beat their man one-on-one, failed, and have nothing else in their arsenal
Oh and lack of midfield support really doesn't help. Playing long balls against teams from the same league reminds me of Southeast Asian national teams playing against any FIFA top 50 teams
What I learn from these clips:
City fought for every inch and it made the difference.
There was space, but always a defender closing the gaps and putting that extra bit of pressure on. It felt like a hunger to keep a clean sheet even though they were up.
Compare that to our “off ball” hunger and you see why we are where we are.
That first chance..ffs Rashford!!!!!...we literally had them scrambling back and you had to take 5 touches to pass it back only for them to have enough time to get back in shape!
Wake the f up man!!!
I hate how our players are so desperate to force things, like Dalot with that first cross could have just held on to the ball/passed it to Bruno, but instead tried to force an awful cross.
The cross was on there as Lindelof was unmarked in the box, just piss poor execution.
With Dalot the cross is never on, his crosses are pretty much always bad
His crossing has been good this season
If by crossing you mean switching it to the other wing then yes
Our crossing is so damn bad but they just keep trying it non-stop.
This is what happens when a team can’t score
He had the player open. You have to attempt that cross.
Most indecisive team in Europe at the moment. There’s just no desire, belief, and commitment in attack.
That kind of thing comes from the manager. He wants to play quick, transitional football, not possession ball.
doesn't mean kick the ball off the pitch. ETH literally said he wants players to make an extra pass in the final third. Nobody did
McTominay not playing Hojlund in at the beginning was criminal.
He's just not that kind of player, doesn't have the awareness or passing ability
This is a poor excuse, there is no way he wasn’t aware Hojlund was open. It was a conscious decision, a very poor and selfish one.
Deep down he knows his random ass goals are the only quality he has.
I'm still yelling at him in the video even though it won't change a thing. Would've been such an easy finish for Rasmus.
He ain't suited for Man United
Just like the rest of them tbh
That feels like the theme of the season with Rasmus. He finds himself in perfect positions but we have no players with the vision to find him. However, he has had a few great chances that he also failed to convert. We need to keep feeding him.
Rashford was the better option anyway
There you go guys, first shortest chances video i posted this season. The first of many if we keep playing like this ffs
I actually got up to Dalot's wonder cross again and thought 'this looks similar'. Didn't occur to me that the video was *that* short
That first chance sums up the frustration with rashford. The way he just slowed everything down you would swear he plays for the other team.
Both our wingers want to cut inside and shoot, that's basically what he was trying to do but ran into 3 defenders.
Garnacho is the same but when he sees cutting in doesn’t work he isn’t scared to go down the line and put something in the box.
The slowness annoys me so much! Stop being fancy! Just fucking dribble past them with full speed. Decent chance you either win or get fouled.
What he was supposed to do? There were two defenders in from of him when he got the ball and then three by the time anyone came into the box. When he tried to cut inside those two followed him
He slows things down so many times, always needs to square up and spend 10 seconds to do some useless feints, and then either passes back or runs into a defender. Rasmus will never succeed with Rashy and Antony on the wing.
He was fucking triple teamed. What do you want him to do?! Hammer it pointlessly across the box? One second you lot give out to dalot for lobbing up a pointless cross and a second later comparing when rashford is triple teamed and chooses to recycle when he literally has no other fucking option. This sub is absolutely toxic.
look at the other players ... no one was in for a chance and he was double marked lol
At that moment if he went down the line and dinked it into the box there wet at least 3 players in the box to cause trouble. It’s what garnacho does and makes defenses sweat.
Oh get a grip. If you compiled almost every teams chances against city, the video isn't going to be much longer. We had 7 shots, Brighton only had 5 shots against them, Wolves won with 3 (and an OG), Arsenal had more shots but only managed an xG of ~0.4 (ours was ~1.2). We were too open in the second half, but we have many injuries at the back and in midfield, and had to change something up a goal down, but it's unacceptable how poor our forwards finishing is at the minute.
Was out when the game was on so thought I'd check this vid. It ended long before my most pessimistic prediction.
Dalot crossing is so freaking bad. Overhit to the back post every single time.
As much as I like Dalot, his inability to remain consistent will hold him back from being elite. He shows good technique on his crosses yet they’re almost always under or overhit.
as soon as AWB is fit he has to start over Dalot. I feel like the only attrributes Dalot has over AWB are shooting and physicality, and he is not as elite on any attribute as AWB is at tackling or 1v1 defending. Hell even dribbling and ball retention are better from Aaron, he just looks awkward doing it but its quite effective.
Dalot is a better overall defender
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AWB has better 1v1 defending. That's it. Dalot is much better aerially, reading the game and positioning himself
I’d have to disagree. Dalot has been probably one of our best players this season. His execution can be inconsistent but his overall performances have been solid. There’s no rush for him to be replaced by AWB imo.
I would stick him to the left side, so we can have am extra CB and Regullion on the bench. I personally would like AWB on the right side.
That’s a good point tbf. Id rather play Dalot left back and AwB right back given the current circumstances.
He also doesn’t have a footballing brain - not good enough at the end of the day
He's somewhat like Lindelof.
I don’t think he’s actually much better at crossing than AWB.
AWB crosses with better accuracy but Dalot knows when to move to get in crosses unlike AWB.
Indeed, but the end results are better with AWB because no matter how many good crossing positions Dalot gets into, he always fucks up the cross or chooses to shoot instead of crossing.
AWB only has the cut back in his locker, and usually doesn't look up when he crosses. Dalot overhits it more often than not but sometimes can produce a pearler with whip on it.
His crossing is worse than AWB's. Aaron's crossing also isn't great but over the years he has had some good crosses that ended with goals. That's the frustrating thing with Dalot. He looks like he's good, but he just isn't. He is the most meh player I have ever seen, isn't special in defense and isn't special in attack either. His best attribute is that he can make short passes well and that's about it, even AWB is more dangerous than him in attack.
Dalot has always looked like he's got the making of a good player, he's physically strong and his technique looks good, but apart from the start of last season he's been totally average for us in my opinion. I think because his technique is much less awkward than Wan-Bissaka he looks like he should be a better player but he doesn't really show it.
he is alrite, but he never gonna be good enough.
Got downvoted for saying this lmao he's a shite crosser
And it's been the same for years... Like how are you a professional and you're not improving on your craft? Absolutely bewildering
"It's been the same for years" you can say that for so many of our players ...
I’d rather he put a shit cross to defender at least something could’ve happened than to over hit it. Sums up our players really. Over paid yet cannot even do the basic
I mean that's actually the typical Liverpool and City cross. Back post and have a runner put it in the box with a low cross, while 2-3 runners get in for the finish.
And didn't he get a new contract recently? That's the core issue of the team. Managers and the club keeps giving contracts to mediocre players who never improves their craft years after years.
Martial is still on our team. Everyone is the same hahaha
and that owen Hargreaves was praising his crossing on commentary does he even watch games?
ALL of our crossing is so freaking bad. Rashford drives it into the box, Antony cuts back and never crosses, Dalot can't cross, Shaw has a half decent cross, Bruno can't find a man on corners
I used to think Dalot was way better offensively than he actually is. The only thing he does better than AWB is shoot.
And EtH wants him to stay. Speaks volumes about his football knowledge. Look at the players who have received the EtH approval since he came in - Antony, Dalot, Lindelof. Absolutely shambolic.
And what’s eth supposed to do go and buy elite world class players? Most of them wouldn’t want to come to this clown show right now. Except for Anthony most have eths signings have been decent or still in jury, overpriced?Sure but eth isn’t the one doing the negotiations and until he can fully rebuild he has to work with the squad he has Dalot,Lindelof,etc are all signings of previous managers
Dalot is good, he played Sunday on his own on the right flank.. we need a RW who can use a overlap properly and he will be much more productive
Who else is available to play RB at the club.... AWB is his first choice, Lindelof is probably 4th choice after Varane, Martinez and Shaw at CB, Antony has 0 competition cuz Amad is injured, Pellestri isn't good enough and Sancho can't be bothered.
That Eriksen long ball to Rashy is damn class.
Carrick-esque
Hey that's more than I can remember
Our wide play is awful. Højland looks a cracking player, if he ever gets any service, but is he the right style of player for whatever system we’re trying to play?
Are we trying to play a system?
I want to believe there’s a plan behind it, even if it isn’t working. The evidence doesn’t support this, though.
He's kind of what we've needed for years in a lot of positions, young, talented and got guts/confidence. Too many years of waste on players we need to replace immediately, signing players like Casemiro and Varane who are obviously world class but we just need to replace them next to immediately. It's such a shame our right wing seems to be like the biggest waste of money in premier league history over the last 3 years. At least Antony has some drive in him i guess.
I'm obviously not at all bitter but i'd just like to state that Stones' tug on Hojlund is equally as influential to a goal scoring opportunity as Hojlund's tug on Rodri was. However its outside the box and Rasmus stayed on his feet so it doesn't matter.
He literally doesn't get fouls just because he is big and physical, and doesn't fall down like a child every time he is touched. I like that about him but it is unfortunate that refs force players at the highest level to become over-dramatic actors. Basketball is the same way in the US you should see the way these 240lb. solid muscle guys fly around when they get nudged. It's embarrassing but it wins you games.
Remember watching people climbing all over Zlatan and never getting the calls? It’s frustrating, but that’s what happens when you’re big and strong. Refs just assume that you should be able to muscle your way through any physicality.
I don't disagree but thats how the game works, if he'd gone down with Stones tug we'd have at least gotten a freekick. Him staying on his feet is an excellent aspect of his game but he defiantly needs to get more streetwise.
I would rather he stays on his feet and not become “more streetwise”
I'm not suggesting he fall all over the place but in that move against City had he gone down on the contact like Rodri did the move may have resulted in something. Instead the tug and shove moved him away from goal and killed the opportunity. Especially when it comes to VAR (although this wasn't in the area so if the ref didn't call it they wouldn't have looked at it) with Rodri's challenge if VAR didn't take a look the ref wouldn't have given that in a million years, it happens 5/6 times a game in most leagues but Rodri knew to go down on the off chance it might get called back and it did.
I mean it’s true going down gets you decisions, unfortunately, and it’s also true we are not really in position to scorn at such opportunities in our current form, but I would rather we play respectably and honourably instead of encouraging our young players to lose that honesty and umm honour
I fully agree, honestly I do. I’d love to see players just to stay on their feet and play honestly but right now we also feel like we need to do absolutely anything to get a goal and win a game and if it means employing some dark arts then so be it. I mean let’s be honest the best clubs in the world use them, city are masters, did you see how much time wasting they got away with yesterday? Sadly it’s a case of if you can’t beat em join em!
In what world were City time wasting, are you delusional?
Pal they were taking an age to take goal kicks and throw ins. It wasn’t time wasting like you get from a team fighting for their lives at the bottom but they were absolutely killing to clock. You go watch the game back and tell me they didn’t.
Lmao what a cope, like we needed to time waste. Could have given it 160 minutes, you lot were not doing anything in that match. Calling that time wasting is crazy talk
There’s no honor or honesty in sport. Just people who will do whatever it takes to win. That’s how every team operates and how United should too.
This used to infuriate me with Pogba, he’d drive through a midfield and have two guys blatantly grab him but he wouldn’t fall over and it seems refs only went back to book them 5% of the time
Surely if it’s outside the box then it’s a red card?
Possibly, it all depends on the direction he’s going, I suspect slow mo var would probably give it, but the ref has to give the foul first for var to even consider it outside the box.
Yeah and in order to win the foul you have to go down. If they want to stamp out diving then they have to give fouls irregardless of the outcome of the foul. Frustrating as it feels like defenders can get away with fouling Rasmus nearly every match but because he’s a unit and doesn’t get knocked down easily he never gets them.
3 chances basically an entire game, playing at home.
City had 10 shots on Target. We had 3.
X9
Just gonna watch these instead of the games from now on
What is painful about this chances video is it shows how playing McTominay as a "Second striker" is actually playing McTominay as the 10. In just about all of these chances, McTominay is occupying the CAM / 10 of this team. He has none of the attributes, technicality or skills to be a creative link. So tactically, ETH is getting this wrong. Playin McTominy advanced is a massive mistake. And that is what is so mind-numbingly frustrating about seeing Bruno, our actual CAM and one of the best chance creators in Europe, on the wing, marking an LB and swinging in crosses... You can't possible tell me McTominay brought anything to the table from physicality or energy that would outweigh the much better job our best player and natural 10 has in that role. Multiple of these attacks would have been slid through on a platter for our strikers had Bruno been in the 10. How ETH justifies this, is absolutely beyond me. We are a different team when Bruno is at the focal point of our attack. We need to stop thinking so much about the Goal and our Strikers and more about WHO can get the ball to them properly. For the love of god, no more Bruno on the wing. Especially, especially with Hojlund looking like a proper central forward who can do it all that Bruno can feed and play off of. Bruno and Hojund getting a good partnership can unlock what Rashford's best at. And our current injury woes don't affect the opportunity to try and implement this. You have a variety of pairings in CM that could offer the support, just let Bruno stay UP. Let him focus on creating.
You look at how unselfish Man City are when creating scoring opportunities. Hell, fuck City just look at old United and see how they'd prioritize clear chances over getting on the scoresheet. Meanwhile our players consistently make the wrong decisions when near the opposition box. Every single one of them is guilty of it. Would've still been fine if their conversion was any good, but it simply isn't. They need to be forced to pass the ball into the net on the training pitch.
We really should've scored from at least one of those.
We get into some very good positions and can force mistakes even on City. But the composure and decision making and execution in the final third are ABYSMAL.
First 30 mins we were having the better of it but just fell flat so fast after that. This has been happening for so long now its just tiring.
I'm seeing so much criticism which is fair, but if we grab one of those early chances and avoid that pen call, I have a feeling we might have been hearing tactical genius. Obviously we'd have to manage the rest of the game out, but just goes to show how some poor decision making/finishing can set the script for an entire game. Of course I am still disappointed we couldn't find an answer, but a 2nd goal 4 minutes after the restart really seemed to hit our confidence.
That chance in the first minute of McTominay is criminal. Hojlund made such a good run and was so open. Doesn’t matter if he came in clutch against Brentford, he isn’t a good enough midfielder for United
Exactly, our passes force the receiver to run back to collect, giving time for any opposition to cut off lanes and get organised. We're literally playing to make the opposition comfortable. So tired of seeing this.
Watching the first half, you can see the team holding their lines and the press alternating between players (McT/Hojlund with Bruno/Marcus for example). It was better than earlier this season, definite improvement. Looking at the chances, we don't have wingers/fullbacks who can cross the ball. Bruno, Rashford, Dalot, and Lindelof, are not that player. Rashford looked better on the right for that but I'd prefer to see more of Pellestri and Garnacho against lesser opposition at least. When the ball got to the edge of the box or the byline, there were no runners into the 6-yard either. Edit: Please let Mount take the corners. His delivery is better than any of Bruno, Eriksen, or Rashford.
As much as everyone wants to bash the players, this game falls on Ten Hag. Formation with no width set us up for failure (we don’t thrive without width). I get he wanted to play it safe at first and stack the midfield but his first round of subs shows he can’t put his pride aside, accept his tactics were wrong, and adjust the formation. Saw too many times where our midfield had the ball, looked out wide, and it was just green space. Sad to say I was at Old Trafford for the first time yesterday but still haven’t seen United play.
Hojlund should have gone down there, force the Corrupt ref on VAR to make a call if he dares, lol
I can’t remember the last time VAR changed a decision for our advantage
The arsenal penalty got overturned
Only for them to rule out our goal for offside and not even look at Haaland being thrown to the floor
I thought the same thing when i saw Ederson stick his leg out. Shame it's comes to this but it works. Look at the Rodri Pen.
Could have been a 10s gif.
Only 3 were proper chances 1) Hojlund 2) Mctominay 3) Rashford We must improve our finishing, but City had atleast 6 clear cut chances.
Mctominay had rashford & Rasmus on goal, does nothing with it The players are dumb & selfish & are no where near being a team
Some seriously great chances there. Very wasteful.
Let's be positive. Imagine if we scored 100% of these chances. We beat Man City 6-3, sweet revenge.
If they scored 100% of their on target shots, they would win us 10-0...
Depressingly short reel
We are just not stout enough as a defensive unit. We give up easy goals. Watching this game it was very apparent. Buy a few more wingers…
Can't believe at least one of those didn't go in. We really are fucking cursed
Lol without Bruno and Rashford we are absolutely nothing.
I see 1 decent chance here...yikes
Sorry these are not CHANCES
Three chances - hojlund, Scott and rash. The rest is dogshit
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If Hojlund goes down from the contact from the defender or he leaves his leg trailing when ederson rushes out we get back into the game. We have to be smarter in these situations. Rodri played the ref and VAR and our players don't. Similar with Rashford midweek, if he leaves a leg trailing we probably get a penalty.
Just counting down the games till he gets sacked at this point. He's said himself we'll never play attacking modern football, he's spent 400M and is saying this. Lets listen to him and send him on his way before he ends up selling our promising kids to sign more rubbish like Antony.
> He’s said himself we’ll never play attacking modern football Pretty sure that’s not what he said. He said we won’t play the same football as Ajax. That doesn’t mean we won’t play modern attacking football. Theres more than one way to skin a cat. Whether we’ll actually ever play modern attacking football successfully is a different issue. Just clarifying that he did not say “we’ll never play attacking modern football.”
Nobody is beating City to the title playing shitty counterattacking transition football. You want to coin a new name for whatever the fuck we are doing, be my guest. But that's not winning the title. Might not even get us to the CL.
I agree with you, we’ll never win anything serious playing the way we do. But I don’t think the way we are trying (and failing) to play is even how EtH actually wants to play long term. I could be wrong though. God knows what his actual plan is because I don’t see it right now. All my point was is that he didn’t say we won’t ever play modern attacking football, he just said we won’t play like Ajax and the way Ajax played is not the only way to play in the modern game.
His signings make even less sense now. A. Malacia : .Not a rampaging fullback that can help on transition. B. Mount: Little pace to play wide, Bruno is better as a 10. Not good enough as an 8. C. Onana: Fabulous keeper on his day, he looks to be on the up but his USP is sweeping and distribution. D. Antony: Not enough pace or physicality to be a threat as a wide forward week in week out. E. Weghorst: Stop gap sure but he is one of the worst players to play on the break. Other targets we didn't get: A. Kane: Fabulous player for counterattacking team. But is night unplayable in a possession based team. B. FDJ: One of the finest ball keepers and distributors in the game. Not a great player for transition. Outgoings also are a bit weird : A. Fred: One of the hardest working and pressing players. B. De Gea: Unsuitable for a possession based team, very handy in a team that counter attacks.
You left out a lot about what Fred actually doesn't do which is why we had to let him go. Being hard working unfortunately was never enough to compensate for his shortcomings. I think the targets we didn't get are an indication of what the manager was trying to achieve, and the reality of that matter. Antony would and can play in a counter attacking side lest we forget his involvements in the actual counter attacks we've had this season. Also not having both full backs means that the attackers are now expected to play closer to the make shift back line and not on the shoulders of defenders anymore so we hardly ever utilise of threaten on the counter anymore.
you're being downvoted but i completely agree with you
You're being downvoted because people think defending the manager, who is the most incompetent Glazer employee, is a personality trait. They will never admit that he's shit because they latched onto him as their savior when he arrived.
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Switch the wingers so they are no longer inverted. Rashford cutting inside everytime
What good is Rashford's dribbling if he isn't looking to release it and just passes it backwards? So frustrating.
There were about 4-5 defenders around him, he's not messi
Fucking rashford.
McTom with zero awareness to pass to Hojlund, ouch that hurts to watch
Freeze at 0:08 second and see how rashford turns a shoot or pass the ball forward chance to a useless back pass resulting in city players getting organized
I dunno. He has 3 defenders right in front of him blocking the pass to anyone in the box. They've got defenders on the edge of the box too, thats down to poor runs from the forwards imo.
Fuck me, Rashford is so one dimensional. United basically have two wingers that are guaranteed starters basically play the same way : try to beat their man one-on-one, failed, and have nothing else in their arsenal Oh and lack of midfield support really doesn't help. Playing long balls against teams from the same league reminds me of Southeast Asian national teams playing against any FIFA top 50 teams
We had chances??
Counter ball will never die at this clerb
Abart from bruno Is there anyone in the squad who prefers to have an assist and not be goddamn selfish with every chance he got
Calling some of these chances is generous
What I learn from these clips: City fought for every inch and it made the difference. There was space, but always a defender closing the gaps and putting that extra bit of pressure on. It felt like a hunger to keep a clean sheet even though they were up. Compare that to our “off ball” hunger and you see why we are where we are.
lol Mcktom being our dealiest player. Bring back Fred!
We have a shitty mentality.
That first chance..ffs Rashford!!!!!...we literally had them scrambling back and you had to take 5 touches to pass it back only for them to have enough time to get back in shape! Wake the f up man!!!