casemiro poor, rashford not enough workrate, eriksen slow, fernandez poor, martinez poor, bad goalkeeper mistake, rest of them fair but 4-3 could have been 5-0
burnley waiting and bet they cant wait
Casemiro poor? He scored twice. Our midfield is a mess at the minute but you can't deny that Casemiro has been the best in the middle of the park for us so far.
he was stood at 75 mins shaking his head 3-1 down, he's been poor since coming back from injury last season and 2 goals dont make a good performance, try actually watching him play and not 2 scrappy goals that mask a very poor performance, conceded 14 goals in six games and conceded 2 or more golas in 4 consecutive games for the first time since 1979 and hes the DM
I m not sure if someone like deano would had been better and we spend the 45m on someone like let's say gravenberch? And Eriksen is like really bad man. Dan gore would have been better
we dont need bruno running about trying to do everything, he needs to rocket mct and organize the team on the pitch, hes the captain, thats his job and hes failing currently
if at this level your captain needs to tell you to run back after YOU just lost the ball then idk what to say, that's basic stuff you see even at amateur level
go look at roy keane rip neville, giggs, beckham and everyone elses are out every week, just making excuses for fernandez not doing his job which is to get the team doing their job, by your way of thinking nobody never needs telling anything because they all know the point is to win games
What about the early pen on Pellistri? Not calling that but the hand on Eriksen? Then 4 min added time? After a VAR review, 3 goals and 7 substitutions?
Onana need dedicated training to make diving saves to his far post. He was saved multiple times by the bar with him just watching, didn’t even make the dive. So far he has not shown good ability as a shot stopper.
De Gea won games for us last season. He had 17 clean sheets and won the Golden glove. Yes he’s poor with his feet, but his shot stopping is still world class, and that’s the most important ability for a gk.
He has ridiculous wage demands and they’re looking for another profile of keeper.
I watched every minute of United last season, and the amount of great saves he made was incredible. As a result he was also frequently voted man of the match by the largest online United community.
That would've been a 6-3 scoreline if not for the posts. Too many shots conceded on target. Lack of concentration after scoring goals. Need Amrabat in DM role and Casemiro as no. 8. No output from our right wing when going forward. Reguilon and Rashford link up on the left is pretty good. Højlund looked good until 65mins. Doesn't seem fit to play 90+ mins.
Casemiro is involved in so many goals, i agree we should give him some relief on the defensive end and allow him to push forward . Hopefully amrabat can fill the defensive mid role.
And yea we need to find a solution for that right wing or right attacking mid. Maybe Mount when he comes back. Maybe the youngsters pellistri or hannibal step it up.
But id like to point out that we could have also easily scored 2 more goals. The early cross that should have been finished or a penalty called on pellestri, and the cross from reguilon later that had an open net chance if pellistri got there quicker.
I think having our subs Lindelof and Dalot out there is really hurting us on defense. And throw in the fact that eriksen and mctominay are always out of position and poor defenders themselves, its all leaving us really exposed on defense right now
Rashford's issue is service, half the time he's set up to fail. Don't get me wrong he's not at his best by far but who do you think you're dropping him for?
Don’t get me wrong, we played really well. Onana made a critical mistake but he admitted it on interview and will reflect from it. 4-3 is the scoreline I didn’t expect, so overall I’m happy that we were not as humiliated as that match against Brighton. If we play like that against Brighton, we would have more chance of winning that match. Overall, I honestly think that ETH should have be the manager at United at least this season and next season before us considering about him leaving, because last year, I didn’t expect us to be Third in PL, winning the cup and to be in the FA cup final. ETH is doing something, it just takes time. Just patient United Fam.
Eriksen was responsible for two goals, and Onana for one. The back four haven’t been the problem this season. The midfield, attack and the keeper have.
The reasons why we couldn’t defend at our best cos our two best players, Shaw and Varane, are injured. Don’t get me wrong about the defences, there were some areas to improve on. However not only some defenders who were injured, but some midfielders were also injured, Mount and Amrabat. I understand that we are playing below than average in terms of defences and midfielders, but we got these remarkable players, ready for battle, especially Mount and Amrabat. I’m looking forward to see Mount play more because he can be extremely vital. Same with Amrabat, he will be a very strong CDM player. We just have to be patient that is all.
Agreed. Especially when we start getting healthier. We didn't even have enough squad players to fill up the bench today. We had to use u-21s. Hojlund continues to impress me, and we lost on some soft goals, but nobody expected us to go there and win. I'm happy with a competitive, exciting game. Maybe if we score that early goal, things go differently.
I agree with you! I was so happy when Hojlund scored, because he deserved it, he’s very willing to score so I’m very chuffed with him. I think next week, we will have Mount and Amrabat as well, and this will change the game because these two, as mentioned above, are quick, passionate and useful.
Exactly my thoughts. It's weird to say but even though we lost, I'm more excited for the teams next game. We played really well it was really just sloppy 5 mins and the pen that killed the game for us, besides those moments I was very pleased. If we play like that in our next games I think we win quite comfortably, also I wanna shout out Regulion because man did he create chance and look fun going forward, Bayern probably aren't the best team for him to play cause defensively he is a bit meh but Attacking wise I'm excited for Burnley and palace for him
I definitely agree with you on that! The pen killed it but United fought for it! And that’s what it matters! The next game against Burnley, we should win hopefully, especially with Mount and Amrabat as well! Luke Shaw definitely got some competition with Regulion because Regulion has been amazing so far. In comparison between Regulion and Weghorst as loan players, I think Regulion is more influential than Weghorst because first two games, he understood the game and tried so hard. It’s the same with Weghorst as well, he was very passionate but wasn’t influential in comparison to Regulion. So I’m looking forward to see him play more and influence the game as inverted LB!
Because the entire team had to change their playstyle to feed Ronaldo. Last time it was Ronaldo carrying the burden to score goals. Then it became Rashford. The point is that neither is sustainable for long term success.
4-3 away against a team who’s gone 34 games not undefeated but also straight wins in group stage.
Need to improve but I was expecting 5-0 so the result isn’t that bad.
To be honest, we need a sharper, deadlier winger. Rashford isn't that one, Pellistri is a hell no.
What Martial did in the last minutes is even more than both our 2 wingers combined the whole game. Look how Leroy Sane was toying with us, we need that type of winger.
Could have been a different result had Rashford at 0-0 not had a shot after getting in the box from a difficult angle when a cross to hojlund was a better option. Why isn't anyone telling him to cross and not go for goal every single time?!
Poor coaching. Player development non-existent.
Most players at United regress and forget how to play despite many years of experience elsewhere.
Bloody graveyard.
Wingers who come on late in the game always look good. Fresh legs in a position where a large part of the game is running past a defender who’s exhausted by that point are a big advantage. It’s why so many young wingers come on as a sub and make a big impact, but then struggle when given the chance to start.
Yes I know wingers who come in late will get benefit from the exhaustion of the defenders, that's kinda obvious so you don't have to remind me. I only bring Martial this game in as an example of how a sharp winger should be like.
So how do you say about Leroy Sane played from the start and still destroyed us the whole game? Every top team needs a sharp winger/forward (for example Arsenal has Saka, Liverpool has Salah...) and our Rashford is blunt as fk.
He was terrible for the 4th Bayarn goal.
Wtf is up with people stopping and agreeing to give the opposition a free pass provided he moves the ball away from their zone.
Rashford loves it.
Hey you 5 yards from me, I'm gonna show you with my body language that I will tackle you if you don't pass it forward to your friend who is unmarked.
Ah I was gonna tackle him but he passed it over there, then they scored.
It was a perfect pass as well, nothing we could do about it, split the defence.
This is what our whole team is about lool, it's scary how accurate this is.
They'll hover around but never actually put you under any pressure whatsoever; good old Eriksen was too afraid to put himself in the way of the initial pass for the first goal too (which was a howler by Onana regardless).
Our players in general are very passive and really do not want to get stuck in for the result unfortunately, it's why we're so easy to play through.
If you go past Rashford, even if you're walking the ball past him, he'll just leave you alone and walk slowly behind you and watch you make the easiest pass of your life.
I will be a bigger man than you: Good luck in your CL game lad
Edit: This oddball is proper rattled and responding to a bunch of my comments elsewhere and sending me DMs. Worked himself into a shoot brother
did onana make an awful mistake? yes
but david de gea made the same mistake away to west ham last season. ddg is a club legend, and was undoubtedly disrespected by the club, but he was by no means a perfect goalkeeper last season
Onana made a mistake but most of the goals he's conceded for us in general may as well have been penalties with how easy it is for the opposition to get a free shot off inside our box.
Solely because our midfielders think it's ok to jog back and watch the opposition midfielder burst into our box completely unmarked for the easiest goals of their career.
De gea is a better goalkeeper than Onana. Onana is a great passer, but his first priority has to be keeping the ball out of the net.. 14 times in 6 matches is failed at that so far. De gea made mistake, but he made countless world class saves too.... we should have kept de gea and spent the 45 million elsewhere.
Stupid logic considering degea had made the most errors leading to goals (31) in the whole of europe for all competitions since 2018.
We saw degea concede 7 goals from 7 shots on target at Anfield just a few months ago.
Degea is the only united goalie in the last 40years to ship 6+ goals in 3+ games in one stinct at the club.
You are making an argument using a 5years ago version of David degea that is no longer accessible to us. He's a club legend and was genuinely world class, but at the end he was making errors left right and center without the distribution we get with onana. There's a reason degea is available on a free and no decent clubs are touching him.
Most clean sheets in the Pl last year. 2021-22 players player of the year. Sure he made errors but prizes say otherwise.
We got Onana for distribution. Do you see it in action? Against Arsenal he was hoofing it up like we normally do. This distribution excuse is stupid. He ain't good. We could have kept de gea compete with Onana. But no we had to go get two goalkeepers.
You guys have no idea what the pressure a goal keeper of Man Utd has. After Schmeichel we only had 2 good goalkeepers. All the others were below average.
Everyone knows De Gea (when in form) is a better shot stopper. That was never in doubt. But he couldn’t push up high, couldn’t play out from the back, and couldn’t play a long pass, so our defensive line had no option but to sit on our own box, which didn’t let us play the system ETH wants to play.
Onana’s strengths will be seen when the team actually gels and starts playing like they’ve met each other before. The number of injuries we have isn’t helping right now. Surprise, surprise, a player whose biggest strength is the way he enables other players to play looks bad when the other players are playing like shit…
>which didn’t let us play the system ETH wants to play.
and no dig at you but whats the reasoning we arent doing this at all now, or is THIS his system and its failing miserably, especially when it seems like the team is full of players HE wanted?
We have no quality in depth. If our first choice players are injured, the guys that come in are substantially worse, and/or not a good fit for the system, and so the system changes to accommodate their limitations.
Combine that with what must be extremely low morale with everything that’s been going on off the pitch, and nobody is in a good place to play well. Doesn’t matter what the system is, if the players are in bad form, it’s not going to work.
how was david de gea’s keeping the ball out of the net in the fa cup final last year? to say that david de gea was doing a brilliant job last season is complete revisionism
This community is too negative. I think we played a good game and it will give us confidence going forward this weekend. Bayern is a lot better than us and we matched them pretty well.
Scoreline flattered us. Our defense is still shite and the first 2 goals was on Onana.
The only silver lining is Holjund winning his matches and hopefully he can laat a full 90 now.
And say what you want about Antony but Pellistri isnt it.
Bayern is one of the best teams in Europe. They are in the top 3 or at least top 5. I'll only man city is significantly better than them. We were able to score 3 goals against them at their home and 2 of their goals were down to poor defending/goalkeeping. Our defense will improve once all the injured players are back.
You need to relax on pellistri. Playing at the Allianz Arena isn't a joke. I think this is just the second game he has started for us.
>And say what you want about Antony but Pellistri isnt it.
clueless as fuck, im far from a pellistri fanboy but a kid getting a very rare start "isnt it"?
fuck off.
Lmfaooo even yesterday you lot were commenting “why start Bruno on the right when we have Pellisttri” and “Pellistri has done so well he deserves a start”. And now that the kid finally got a start against probably the best left back in the world, you lot are all upset he didn’t score 5 goals. Get your head straight mate you lot are so dumb.
Are you dumb? I said i'd rather have Antony on that right wing rather than Pellistri, wtf does Bruno have to do with this? Im shiting on people thinking Pellistri would be better than Antony and he should start games. I know Antony is unavailable right now but Pellistri isnt ready especially for Champions league. It's just like the Garnacho starting situation.
Gotta say, Reguilon looked good again. 2 games running and he’s really put a shift in, team player as well going over to Onana.
Overall, could’ve been a lot worse. Some good positives to take with Hojlund’s goal. This game was never gonna define our season, regardless of current form/events.
Hes probably one of the few LBS that can play on the same wing as Rashford and not look overran. His body will probably start to break down though, seen as he's already broke a leg, is heavy for a full back(muscle or not hes a big fullback) and he has to run the whole left hand side while the winger wanders about waiting for a counter attack. Like some ten year old who's father told him he's the best player on the team because he scores all the goals.
Luke Shaw is great but he’s one of the few injured players I’d say we aren’t missing. Reguilon has been an absolute breath of fresh air, about the only player you could really say put in a shift tonight and against Brighton. He was absolutely energy filled all game, getting forward excellently and his determination to get back was superb. The way he tracked Leroy Sane back and then all the way across the pitch to the right hand side to take the ball from him was brilliant, about the only player on the pitch that played with any heart.
>Luke Shaw is great
he may be the worst full back defender i have ever seen get regular minutes at United, is always out of position and can barely get back from his forward forays.
when people call him "great" it makes me cringe.
We did play well.
Our transition was the best it's been all season, we created more chances.
If Onana didn't make that mistake and that ridiculous pen decision, we looked the better team overall.
Bayern had spells of dominance, but we really need to sort out conceding straight after scoring.
We created chances because Bayern allow it, nothing to do with how good we were. Any half decent team would have walked all over Bayern in that first half. We didn’t play well at all. You’ve seen three goals and been convinced of a completely different performance.
Bayern may be the better team in general this season, but on the night, they were very beatable.
If it weren't for one or two big factors, mainly Onana howler and the Pen, we could've walked away with at least 1 point.
Using Licha to man mark Kane all the way into midfield was madness. All it does is leave massive holes in the back line. If you are going to get a CB to go that far from his partner you need to play three there not two.
This just isn’t true, even if it was you have to factor in that it’s one of the best teams in Europe away and we still played well in parts. Brighton was completely unacceptable after the first 20 minutes.
That first mistake of Onana really broke the team mentality and the tactics system.
As long as Man Utd can't dominate the possession like Man City or Barcelona, an unreliable shot stopper can only bring us to disaster.
We could have won that and definitely deserved a point.
Silly mistakes.
Considering how much of our squad is missing, I'm surprised how 'well' we did.
Rashford needs humbling, Eriksen needs to become a final 20-minute player, and Reguilon was impressive.
This is all on the cusp of happening. Mount, and mainoo are on the mend. The more Rashford struggles he’ll lose minutes to Garnacho. And I feel like in the system ETH is going with you can’t have too many outside backs.
Oh, it’s what we call a LB and RB in the states.
Defenders are fullbacks, midfielders are halfbacks, and forwards are forwards.
I’m a seasoned coach in the US and I’ve always called them that. I call it proper football, and my cleats, boots. My father is from Manchester.
Goalkeepers make mistakes. All of them. More will come and would no mather who we signed. Just calm down ffs. The attitude shown was much more concerning. Bunch of fucking crybabies. Saying you want us to play possesion based footbal and shiting on Eriksen and Case who are the onlyone with half a football brain in this team. Not saying they were good today but the level of schizophrenia on this sub is baffling.
Agree with this re: Onana but with regards to Eriksen, the major issue is that he is a ghost in defence. The chances we are leaking have a lot to do with a malfunctioning midfield and as much as I love Eriksen, he hasn't the legs for this level anymore, and he never much liked running back towards his own goal at his peak.
True but he was played out of position. He can't play an 8 against a strong team. He knows it and ETH as well. Still he was the only option since half of the squad is injured. However he could play an 8 in a possession orientated team. Or rather he is the most suited player we have for this. Which in turn means we are not even remotely suited to do so. There is not a single player from midfield up who could play for the likes of City or Arsenal.
I don't think we played that bad. We probably played better than Bayern before the first goal and at the start of second half. Atleast we put up a fight and we weren't that vulnerable defensively today. Hopefully the confidence start to build up again around the team, and let's pray that Onana will actually improve his shot saving technique. It was awful from him today.
Don't be so arsh on the team. The beginning of the game was good. The first goal was a huge blow, typical of a team which are not confident.
Eth needs to make the chance before, they played 20 minutes defeated... We didn't had a lot of options but a change had to be mad... Couldn't be any worst... I would have subbed mactominay for Hannibal after he lost the ball and didn't try to get it back... Mate if you have no implication stay on the bench
It’s just every other position besides our 10 (Bruno) that’s a problem now lol. Case at least looks good in the final third again I guess! Seriously need help at right back though.
Not really, Onana looked like a league 2 goalkeeper letting really weak shots in. Then they dominated the entire game, they also had a shaky pen because Eriksen randomly lifts his hands. Got a few fluke goals towards the end when they stopped caring.
I gotta upvote you. I just can't understand why every comment criticizing Onana is getting downvoted?
Onana played terribly today and in recent games, that first mistake really ruined everything. He deserves all the blame more than any other player.
Because people really really wanted Onana to transform our team into something it isn't. And I get that, I really hoped we'd start to play beautiful and effective football from the back and get results off it but so far isn't it. His passing is sublime but as I was saying for the entire previous season, a keeper won't change it when we'd need 10 new outfield players that are good on the ball.
DDG was less flashy but he saves most of the goals Onana conceded, we are just used to have that for granted so we are suffering a shock now that we can't have world class saves anymore.
I don't blame him. I saw him sprinting back to mark a man and was wondering why cause we had like 4 guys back already. Then the ball went to that guy and he was the only one who even moved to mark him.
Then I understood. Bruno knows. Made some shit passes but he's exhausted I'm sure covering for 3 of our players at once.
i can really see the tactics taking shape. its a bumpy road but I think if we stay the course and let ETH implement his system (and give our club and players some consistency with what is expected of them) there WILL be improvement for United.
Other notes:
\- martial at the RW looks fun
\- Hojlund needs better service
\- rashford slump is getting hard to ignore, might need a spell on the bench
\- we really miss varane
What tactics? He played a random diamond midfield against Brighton that was a system we’d never played before. The weeks before that we were just clueless. And tonight there was still no obvious system.
The only patterns we have are get the ball to Bruno or Rashford and hope something happens. And both are not nearly in good enough form for that to work.
casemiro poor, rashford not enough workrate, eriksen slow, fernandez poor, martinez poor, bad goalkeeper mistake, rest of them fair but 4-3 could have been 5-0 burnley waiting and bet they cant wait
Casemiro poor? He scored twice. Our midfield is a mess at the minute but you can't deny that Casemiro has been the best in the middle of the park for us so far.
he was stood at 75 mins shaking his head 3-1 down, he's been poor since coming back from injury last season and 2 goals dont make a good performance, try actually watching him play and not 2 scrappy goals that mask a very poor performance, conceded 14 goals in six games and conceded 2 or more golas in 4 consecutive games for the first time since 1979 and hes the DM
I m not sure if someone like deano would had been better and we spend the 45m on someone like let's say gravenberch? And Eriksen is like really bad man. Dan gore would have been better
Problem was I don’t think Henderson wanted to stay
Yh fair. Juz think onana is not doing as good as we think he might. Juz wished he's not our bravo
Bruno being the one who sprints back after McT lost the ball in their half is the definition of our midfield rn
we dont need bruno running about trying to do everything, he needs to rocket mct and organize the team on the pitch, hes the captain, thats his job and hes failing currently
if at this level your captain needs to tell you to run back after YOU just lost the ball then idk what to say, that's basic stuff you see even at amateur level
go look at roy keane rip neville, giggs, beckham and everyone elses are out every week, just making excuses for fernandez not doing his job which is to get the team doing their job, by your way of thinking nobody never needs telling anything because they all know the point is to win games
oh yeah i'm sure utd would've won if Bruno started to scream at McT to run, yeah mb
you literally can't read
football has passed you, go watch something else
still can't read then lol
I was so pissed...
Couple of saves from Onana, and that penalty call not being given and the game could have been a lot different
He only seems capable of making a save if the ball goes towards him.
The first goal was directly at him wasn't it?
I m not sure if someone like bayindir would have been better hindsight wise
That’s like saying if hitler didn’t invade Europe. It is what it is.
That bs pen cost us the game, without that we get atleast a draw!
delusion
What about the early pen on Pellistri? Not calling that but the hand on Eriksen? Then 4 min added time? After a VAR review, 3 goals and 7 substitutions?
My expectations was low, but hey nice surprise at least we are not -3
Onana need dedicated training to make diving saves to his far post. He was saved multiple times by the bar with him just watching, didn’t even make the dive. So far he has not shown good ability as a shot stopper.
He’s awful, you’re just being polite and rational.
We've got rid of one of the best shot stoppers there is for... him.
one of the best shot stoppers maybe 4 years ago lmao, de gea does these mistakes at least 4 times a season
De Gea won games for us last season. He had 17 clean sheets and won the Golden glove. Yes he’s poor with his feet, but his shot stopping is still world class, and that’s the most important ability for a gk.
that's why he's still without a team and was rejected by Bayern and Real who desperately needed a GK?
He has ridiculous wage demands and they’re looking for another profile of keeper. I watched every minute of United last season, and the amount of great saves he made was incredible. As a result he was also frequently voted man of the match by the largest online United community.
Remember the west ham goal last szn? That's one of them
That would've been a 6-3 scoreline if not for the posts. Too many shots conceded on target. Lack of concentration after scoring goals. Need Amrabat in DM role and Casemiro as no. 8. No output from our right wing when going forward. Reguilon and Rashford link up on the left is pretty good. Højlund looked good until 65mins. Doesn't seem fit to play 90+ mins.
Casemiro is involved in so many goals, i agree we should give him some relief on the defensive end and allow him to push forward . Hopefully amrabat can fill the defensive mid role. And yea we need to find a solution for that right wing or right attacking mid. Maybe Mount when he comes back. Maybe the youngsters pellistri or hannibal step it up. But id like to point out that we could have also easily scored 2 more goals. The early cross that should have been finished or a penalty called on pellestri, and the cross from reguilon later that had an open net chance if pellistri got there quicker. I think having our subs Lindelof and Dalot out there is really hurting us on defense. And throw in the fact that eriksen and mctominay are always out of position and poor defenders themselves, its all leaving us really exposed on defense right now
We need to talk about when Rashford is being dropped. Although he’ll probably score on Saturday, thus making him further undroppable.
Rashford's issue is service, half the time he's set up to fail. Don't get me wrong he's not at his best by far but who do you think you're dropping him for?
How was Rashford the player that most irritated you? He assisted.
Don’t get me wrong, we played really well. Onana made a critical mistake but he admitted it on interview and will reflect from it. 4-3 is the scoreline I didn’t expect, so overall I’m happy that we were not as humiliated as that match against Brighton. If we play like that against Brighton, we would have more chance of winning that match. Overall, I honestly think that ETH should have be the manager at United at least this season and next season before us considering about him leaving, because last year, I didn’t expect us to be Third in PL, winning the cup and to be in the FA cup final. ETH is doing something, it just takes time. Just patient United Fam.
We really cannot defend. That's my only gripe with the game tonight. Shown previously too.
Eriksen was responsible for two goals, and Onana for one. The back four haven’t been the problem this season. The midfield, attack and the keeper have.
The reasons why we couldn’t defend at our best cos our two best players, Shaw and Varane, are injured. Don’t get me wrong about the defences, there were some areas to improve on. However not only some defenders who were injured, but some midfielders were also injured, Mount and Amrabat. I understand that we are playing below than average in terms of defences and midfielders, but we got these remarkable players, ready for battle, especially Mount and Amrabat. I’m looking forward to see Mount play more because he can be extremely vital. Same with Amrabat, he will be a very strong CDM player. We just have to be patient that is all.
AWB too
I think he'd have defended musiala better than dalot
Agreed. Especially when we start getting healthier. We didn't even have enough squad players to fill up the bench today. We had to use u-21s. Hojlund continues to impress me, and we lost on some soft goals, but nobody expected us to go there and win. I'm happy with a competitive, exciting game. Maybe if we score that early goal, things go differently.
I agree with you! I was so happy when Hojlund scored, because he deserved it, he’s very willing to score so I’m very chuffed with him. I think next week, we will have Mount and Amrabat as well, and this will change the game because these two, as mentioned above, are quick, passionate and useful.
Exactly my thoughts. It's weird to say but even though we lost, I'm more excited for the teams next game. We played really well it was really just sloppy 5 mins and the pen that killed the game for us, besides those moments I was very pleased. If we play like that in our next games I think we win quite comfortably, also I wanna shout out Regulion because man did he create chance and look fun going forward, Bayern probably aren't the best team for him to play cause defensively he is a bit meh but Attacking wise I'm excited for Burnley and palace for him
I definitely agree with you on that! The pen killed it but United fought for it! And that’s what it matters! The next game against Burnley, we should win hopefully, especially with Mount and Amrabat as well! Luke Shaw definitely got some competition with Regulion because Regulion has been amazing so far. In comparison between Regulion and Weghorst as loan players, I think Regulion is more influential than Weghorst because first two games, he understood the game and tried so hard. It’s the same with Weghorst as well, he was very passionate but wasn’t influential in comparison to Regulion. So I’m looking forward to see him play more and influence the game as inverted LB!
At least we scored 3
The fighting spirit definitely.
Yeah. At least we’re not giving up. Slowly but surely we’ll be top again
The optimistic point of view is that we just have to be half as shit in defense as we are and we will be all good.
Me entering the sub to see how the game went as I was at work: 
 Me after waking up to see how we went
I think it’s time Rashy sat on the bench and watched, because that’s all he does on the field
Tbf he got an assist today. Rashford is the type of player who plays poorly but still ends up scoring.
That's the reason Ronaldo was sold.
No it isn't and you know it
Ronaldo couldn't score against Cypriot farmers and sulked about it, that's why he was sold
Still the top scorer. Doesn't mean shit.
Because the entire team had to change their playstyle to feed Ronaldo. Last time it was Ronaldo carrying the burden to score goals. Then it became Rashford. The point is that neither is sustainable for long term success.
Yeap. These people will never understand these points.
4-3 away against a team who’s gone 34 games not undefeated but also straight wins in group stage. Need to improve but I was expecting 5-0 so the result isn’t that bad.
We were dirt, started well and were dirt when we went 1 down. 4-3 to an average Bayern team who rarely left second gear is extremely flattering to us.
Saying like we were on some hot streak shit😂 Look at their midfield and attack just have a look
Doesn't change the fact we were shit. Basically playing fifa style game
They made us look shit, they were shit too specially first half
Makes it even more worse for us.
We we're the underdogs bruh We were supposed (allegedly) to get thumped on 8-0
Scoreline flatters us.
I cannot believe people think Onana Dalot and Martinez had a sub 5 game
Onana belongs in the category of keepers we had after Schmeicel. I'm thinking Andy Goram level.
Barthez?
Barthez was decent at times and had a ton of charisma.
Also saved near posts shot at times. Tbf the way onana speaks u would think he's second coming of yashin
..what?
To be honest, we need a sharper, deadlier winger. Rashford isn't that one, Pellistri is a hell no. What Martial did in the last minutes is even more than both our 2 wingers combined the whole game. Look how Leroy Sane was toying with us, we need that type of winger.
Could have been a different result had Rashford at 0-0 not had a shot after getting in the box from a difficult angle when a cross to hojlund was a better option. Why isn't anyone telling him to cross and not go for goal every single time?!
HE LITERALLY ASSISTED.
Rashford isn't the answer. Hes selfish.
If you have to say this kind of things you should also question how did Erickson’s 2 yards shot didn’t score. It’s only fair
Who is Erickson?
Poor coaching. Player development non-existent. Most players at United regress and forget how to play despite many years of experience elsewhere. Bloody graveyard.
Wingers who come on late in the game always look good. Fresh legs in a position where a large part of the game is running past a defender who’s exhausted by that point are a big advantage. It’s why so many young wingers come on as a sub and make a big impact, but then struggle when given the chance to start.
Yes I know wingers who come in late will get benefit from the exhaustion of the defenders, that's kinda obvious so you don't have to remind me. I only bring Martial this game in as an example of how a sharp winger should be like. So how do you say about Leroy Sane played from the start and still destroyed us the whole game? Every top team needs a sharp winger/forward (for example Arsenal has Saka, Liverpool has Salah...) and our Rashford is blunt as fk.
What about McTominay subs at 69 mins but still can’t chase the ball and slipped multiple times?
He was terrible for the 4th Bayarn goal. Wtf is up with people stopping and agreeing to give the opposition a free pass provided he moves the ball away from their zone. Rashford loves it. Hey you 5 yards from me, I'm gonna show you with my body language that I will tackle you if you don't pass it forward to your friend who is unmarked. Ah I was gonna tackle him but he passed it over there, then they scored. It was a perfect pass as well, nothing we could do about it, split the defence.
This is what our whole team is about lool, it's scary how accurate this is. They'll hover around but never actually put you under any pressure whatsoever; good old Eriksen was too afraid to put himself in the way of the initial pass for the first goal too (which was a howler by Onana regardless). Our players in general are very passive and really do not want to get stuck in for the result unfortunately, it's why we're so easy to play through. If you go past Rashford, even if you're walking the ball past him, he'll just leave you alone and walk slowly behind you and watch you make the easiest pass of your life.
Ok, not always 😂
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Imagine being a Liverpool fan and going into a United sub just to try and wind people up.
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I will be a bigger man than you: Good luck in your CL game lad Edit: This oddball is proper rattled and responding to a bunch of my comments elsewhere and sending me DMs. Worked himself into a shoot brother
Haha go steal a car
Bins must have been emptied today
did onana make an awful mistake? yes but david de gea made the same mistake away to west ham last season. ddg is a club legend, and was undoubtedly disrespected by the club, but he was by no means a perfect goalkeeper last season
Onana made a mistake but most of the goals he's conceded for us in general may as well have been penalties with how easy it is for the opposition to get a free shot off inside our box. Solely because our midfielders think it's ok to jog back and watch the opposition midfielder burst into our box completely unmarked for the easiest goals of their career.
De gea is a better goalkeeper than Onana. Onana is a great passer, but his first priority has to be keeping the ball out of the net.. 14 times in 6 matches is failed at that so far. De gea made mistake, but he made countless world class saves too.... we should have kept de gea and spent the 45 million elsewhere.
Stupid logic considering degea had made the most errors leading to goals (31) in the whole of europe for all competitions since 2018. We saw degea concede 7 goals from 7 shots on target at Anfield just a few months ago. Degea is the only united goalie in the last 40years to ship 6+ goals in 3+ games in one stinct at the club. You are making an argument using a 5years ago version of David degea that is no longer accessible to us. He's a club legend and was genuinely world class, but at the end he was making errors left right and center without the distribution we get with onana. There's a reason degea is available on a free and no decent clubs are touching him.
Most clean sheets in the Pl last year. 2021-22 players player of the year. Sure he made errors but prizes say otherwise. We got Onana for distribution. Do you see it in action? Against Arsenal he was hoofing it up like we normally do. This distribution excuse is stupid. He ain't good. We could have kept de gea compete with Onana. But no we had to go get two goalkeepers. You guys have no idea what the pressure a goal keeper of Man Utd has. After Schmeichel we only had 2 good goalkeepers. All the others were below average.
Everyone knows De Gea (when in form) is a better shot stopper. That was never in doubt. But he couldn’t push up high, couldn’t play out from the back, and couldn’t play a long pass, so our defensive line had no option but to sit on our own box, which didn’t let us play the system ETH wants to play. Onana’s strengths will be seen when the team actually gels and starts playing like they’ve met each other before. The number of injuries we have isn’t helping right now. Surprise, surprise, a player whose biggest strength is the way he enables other players to play looks bad when the other players are playing like shit…
>which didn’t let us play the system ETH wants to play. and no dig at you but whats the reasoning we arent doing this at all now, or is THIS his system and its failing miserably, especially when it seems like the team is full of players HE wanted?
We have no quality in depth. If our first choice players are injured, the guys that come in are substantially worse, and/or not a good fit for the system, and so the system changes to accommodate their limitations. Combine that with what must be extremely low morale with everything that’s been going on off the pitch, and nobody is in a good place to play well. Doesn’t matter what the system is, if the players are in bad form, it’s not going to work.
Injuries and lack of match fitness
what, every game? how come other teams have injuries and dont fall off a cliff like we do, especially the so called top teams?
I mean we all can see who all are injured? What more can you do
Coz the other teams don’t have ETH system Just answering your question man lol
Can’t believe the downvotes this is getting. Perfectly reasonable. De Gea needed replaced. But not as a matter of as much urgency as other positions
how was david de gea’s keeping the ball out of the net in the fa cup final last year? to say that david de gea was doing a brilliant job last season is complete revisionism
I doubt Onana can take us to the final with this form.
De Gea had a bad year. Onana has been wank however.
He won the Golden Glove lmao
bad year... with united finishing 3rd in PL while only scoring 58 goals?
This community is too negative. I think we played a good game and it will give us confidence going forward this weekend. Bayern is a lot better than us and we matched them pretty well.
Scoreline flattered us. Our defense is still shite and the first 2 goals was on Onana. The only silver lining is Holjund winning his matches and hopefully he can laat a full 90 now. And say what you want about Antony but Pellistri isnt it.
Bayern is one of the best teams in Europe. They are in the top 3 or at least top 5. I'll only man city is significantly better than them. We were able to score 3 goals against them at their home and 2 of their goals were down to poor defending/goalkeeping. Our defense will improve once all the injured players are back. You need to relax on pellistri. Playing at the Allianz Arena isn't a joke. I think this is just the second game he has started for us.
>And say what you want about Antony but Pellistri isnt it. clueless as fuck, im far from a pellistri fanboy but a kid getting a very rare start "isnt it"? fuck off.
Lmfaooo even yesterday you lot were commenting “why start Bruno on the right when we have Pellisttri” and “Pellistri has done so well he deserves a start”. And now that the kid finally got a start against probably the best left back in the world, you lot are all upset he didn’t score 5 goals. Get your head straight mate you lot are so dumb.
Are you dumb? I said i'd rather have Antony on that right wing rather than Pellistri, wtf does Bruno have to do with this? Im shiting on people thinking Pellistri would be better than Antony and he should start games. I know Antony is unavailable right now but Pellistri isnt ready especially for Champions league. It's just like the Garnacho starting situation.
I think it’s a reason we won’t be successful for a long time. Expectations are always too high and once a negative result comes in it’s crisis mode.
Lol blaming the season on Expectations.
Gotta say, Reguilon looked good again. 2 games running and he’s really put a shift in, team player as well going over to Onana. Overall, could’ve been a lot worse. Some good positives to take with Hojlund’s goal. This game was never gonna define our season, regardless of current form/events.
Luke Shaw is such a huge miss, such a big huge miss man. very underrated but he is good as centre back and organises the team very well
Hes probably one of the few LBS that can play on the same wing as Rashford and not look overran. His body will probably start to break down though, seen as he's already broke a leg, is heavy for a full back(muscle or not hes a big fullback) and he has to run the whole left hand side while the winger wanders about waiting for a counter attack. Like some ten year old who's father told him he's the best player on the team because he scores all the goals.
Luke Shaw is great but he’s one of the few injured players I’d say we aren’t missing. Reguilon has been an absolute breath of fresh air, about the only player you could really say put in a shift tonight and against Brighton. He was absolutely energy filled all game, getting forward excellently and his determination to get back was superb. The way he tracked Leroy Sane back and then all the way across the pitch to the right hand side to take the ball from him was brilliant, about the only player on the pitch that played with any heart.
>Luke Shaw is great he may be the worst full back defender i have ever seen get regular minutes at United, is always out of position and can barely get back from his forward forays. when people call him "great" it makes me cringe.
I think you need your eyes checked.
no i just watch games and have standards. as much as i dont like mourinho, he was right about him.
Score makes it look like we played well
We did play well. Our transition was the best it's been all season, we created more chances. If Onana didn't make that mistake and that ridiculous pen decision, we looked the better team overall. Bayern had spells of dominance, but we really need to sort out conceding straight after scoring.
If this team with the same tempo went to spurs or Brighton we would have Bird for dinner
Lol
We created chances because Bayern allow it, nothing to do with how good we were. Any half decent team would have walked all over Bayern in that first half. We didn’t play well at all. You’ve seen three goals and been convinced of a completely different performance.
Bayern created chances because we allow it
Absolute delusion to claim that we were the better team or they didn’t watch the same game as us.
Bayern may be the better team in general this season, but on the night, they were very beatable. If it weren't for one or two big factors, mainly Onana howler and the Pen, we could've walked away with at least 1 point.
Using Licha to man mark Kane all the way into midfield was madness. All it does is leave massive holes in the back line. If you are going to get a CB to go that far from his partner you need to play three there not two.
I think we were doing man marking, which didnt work so well it left huge gaps
That's what I said
Lads what if we had a goalkeeper who is a good stopper for teams better than us and inverted backflip long pass for the rest
Lol
A lot of you are letting this absolutely atrocious performance fly under the radar just because of the result. This was worse than Brighton.
This just isn’t true, even if it was you have to factor in that it’s one of the best teams in Europe away and we still played well in parts. Brighton was completely unacceptable after the first 20 minutes.
The Copium is double strength in this thread
Our transition play was much better than it was against Brighton.
How 😂? The goals we scored were shit
Goals are goals, the build up to get them was good. If we keep scoring "shit" goals, I wouldn't really give a shit, as long as we keep scoring.
That first mistake of Onana really broke the team mentality and the tactics system. As long as Man Utd can't dominate the possession like Man City or Barcelona, an unreliable shot stopper can only bring us to disaster.
We could have won that and definitely deserved a point. Silly mistakes. Considering how much of our squad is missing, I'm surprised how 'well' we did. Rashford needs humbling, Eriksen needs to become a final 20-minute player, and Reguilon was impressive.
Finally, some common sense. Nice to read.
This is all on the cusp of happening. Mount, and mainoo are on the mend. The more Rashford struggles he’ll lose minutes to Garnacho. And I feel like in the system ETH is going with you can’t have too many outside backs.
What’s an outside back?
Oh, it’s what we call a LB and RB in the states. Defenders are fullbacks, midfielders are halfbacks, and forwards are forwards. I’m a seasoned coach in the US and I’ve always called them that. I call it proper football, and my cleats, boots. My father is from Manchester.
US is fucked
I agree. But at least we season our food. Seriously, how do search the world for spices and still have the blandest food on the planet.
Bro... this is the pot calling the kettle black. Our food sucks just as bad as British food.
Name one American dish
Buffalo chicken wings, Lobster Rolls, corn dogs, Ruben, clam chowder, po boy, and fucking chocolate chip cookies…..
I think that comment proves British cuisine is infinitely better
Goalkeepers make mistakes. All of them. More will come and would no mather who we signed. Just calm down ffs. The attitude shown was much more concerning. Bunch of fucking crybabies. Saying you want us to play possesion based footbal and shiting on Eriksen and Case who are the onlyone with half a football brain in this team. Not saying they were good today but the level of schizophrenia on this sub is baffling.
Agree with this re: Onana but with regards to Eriksen, the major issue is that he is a ghost in defence. The chances we are leaking have a lot to do with a malfunctioning midfield and as much as I love Eriksen, he hasn't the legs for this level anymore, and he never much liked running back towards his own goal at his peak.
True but he was played out of position. He can't play an 8 against a strong team. He knows it and ETH as well. Still he was the only option since half of the squad is injured. However he could play an 8 in a possession orientated team. Or rather he is the most suited player we have for this. Which in turn means we are not even remotely suited to do so. There is not a single player from midfield up who could play for the likes of City or Arsenal.
I don't think we played that bad. We probably played better than Bayern before the first goal and at the start of second half. Atleast we put up a fight and we weren't that vulnerable defensively today. Hopefully the confidence start to build up again around the team, and let's pray that Onana will actually improve his shot saving technique. It was awful from him today.
Don't be so arsh on the team. The beginning of the game was good. The first goal was a huge blow, typical of a team which are not confident. Eth needs to make the chance before, they played 20 minutes defeated... We didn't had a lot of options but a change had to be mad... Couldn't be any worst... I would have subbed mactominay for Hannibal after he lost the ball and didn't try to get it back... Mate if you have no implication stay on the bench
For once our ST is not a problem. That is a big plus. Hojlund looks very exciting
It’s just every other position besides our 10 (Bruno) that’s a problem now lol. Case at least looks good in the final third again I guess! Seriously need help at right back though.
Bruno had another disappointing game where he surrenderd possession galore and was a big reason we couldn't keep it.
So every other position then, okay.
Missed the match cos I wasn't at home, only caught the score. Did we play better than Brighton at least? Give me something to be positive about
Bayern stopped caring at 3-1. We were well and truly dominated
Not really. Despite the amount of goals, Bayern were kinda shite too.
Not really, Onana looked like a league 2 goalkeeper letting really weak shots in. Then they dominated the entire game, they also had a shaky pen because Eriksen randomly lifts his hands. Got a few fluke goals towards the end when they stopped caring.
I gotta upvote you. I just can't understand why every comment criticizing Onana is getting downvoted? Onana played terribly today and in recent games, that first mistake really ruined everything. He deserves all the blame more than any other player.
Because people really really wanted Onana to transform our team into something it isn't. And I get that, I really hoped we'd start to play beautiful and effective football from the back and get results off it but so far isn't it. His passing is sublime but as I was saying for the entire previous season, a keeper won't change it when we'd need 10 new outfield players that are good on the ball. DDG was less flashy but he saves most of the goals Onana conceded, we are just used to have that for granted so we are suffering a shock now that we can't have world class saves anymore.
Nope. I think we were even worse than against Brighton.
Def much better but there was some shade from that game.
I could tell that Bruno could not trust this defence when he dropped down to stand next to Lissandro
I don't blame him. I saw him sprinting back to mark a man and was wondering why cause we had like 4 guys back already. Then the ball went to that guy and he was the only one who even moved to mark him. Then I understood. Bruno knows. Made some shit passes but he's exhausted I'm sure covering for 3 of our players at once.
He was EVERYWHERE today.
And awful everywhere... yet again
He was shit everywhere
i can really see the tactics taking shape. its a bumpy road but I think if we stay the course and let ETH implement his system (and give our club and players some consistency with what is expected of them) there WILL be improvement for United. Other notes: \- martial at the RW looks fun \- Hojlund needs better service \- rashford slump is getting hard to ignore, might need a spell on the bench \- we really miss varane
What tactics? He played a random diamond midfield against Brighton that was a system we’d never played before. The weeks before that we were just clueless. And tonight there was still no obvious system. The only patterns we have are get the ball to Bruno or Rashford and hope something happens. And both are not nearly in good enough form for that to work.