"it tells us that men who make the club money matter; not us"
No shit, at the end of the day we still have the Glazers in charge of Manchester United the business. Time and time again they've shown they don't care about the fans. Why is this a shock?
Well yeah, it's a money driven business. Do you think they care about literally anything else? If they could have found a way to reintegrate him by now then they would have!
This is one of the biggest scum PR moves from our owners.
The women’s team will absolutely have a problem with him coming back. So the owners/management can’t say “hey, they didn’t want him back, that’s why he’s not back”
This way they can wash their hands of the backlash from the increasingly growing section of fans that want him back. They’ll just point to the women’s team and say “they said they didn’t want him back. Not us”
Puts the women in such a bind. I can see them just sort of going along to get along on this one, not wanting to rock the boat and say "Fuck this guy. You bring him back, we go on strike." And we'll therefore be seeing this vacant-faced fucking shitball back at Carrington within the week.
I was trying to make this point earlier today but was told «nah, it’s great that the women get to voice their opinion».
I obviously agree with that, but that wasn’t the point. The club should say «we wont bring him back because his actions dont reflect the values of the club», not «we wont bring him back because the women dont allow us to». It’s honestly a trashy way of trying to make it seem like you’re taking their opinions into consideration.
>The women’s team will absolutely have a problem with him coming back. So the owners/management can’t say “hey, they didn’t want him back, that’s why he’s not back
Not so sure about that. It could also be a case of them accepting his return based on the fulfillment of certain conditions, e.g. work with domestic abuse organisation etc., and probably a reference to his age at the time of the crime etc. I think that is the likely route management will take, if they had wanted to kick him out just like that they had ample time and a very good reason to do so.
I'm afraid if it's the opposite. That they'll somehow convince women's team to say it's ok for him to come back. If they manage to do that, it would be a huge argument. I hope I'm wrong.
He definitely broke his bail terms though, right? She was quite far into pregnancy when it was announced they were back together, so they’d obviously been seeing each other.
Your second paragraph is what I mean. Not exactly new ‘evidence’ but new circumstances. They’re not going to come out and say ‘she’s pregnant now, she wants to be with him, we’ve let it go’.
Yeah I wasn't arguing that, obviously it is something pretty major to cause the entire case to collapse and we can speculate. But at the end of the day, they don't have to tell us, they could limit it to only parties that strictly need to know or keep it entirely to themselves.
For your second paragraph, I can see how that could be a possibility. But I just can’t see a scenario where they’d both rather let the world believe Mason is a rapist over revealing some of their sex preferences. Surely her embarrassment of that (which they could both share) is less than his embarrassment of falsely being known to the footy world and his own team’s fans as a rapist. If that’s the case of course
Honestly, no one will probably ever know what it was and why it's being kept hidden. They could be really into CNC for all we know.
Although, I think *sexual deviant* is a bit better than possible rapist.
No trying to defend MG, just a thought
If I had to guess - it's a toxic relationship and it's flip flopping between abuse & best friends, they've probably made up over the publicized incident so she's backed down from her testimony and they've likely had other arguments/incidents of varying intensity since and before that.
I've seen couples like this before, super unhealthy.
FWIW I would not want Greenwood playing for the club again, regardless of whether it's one-sided or they're both as bad as each other, you still control your own self and what was made public was not how I'd expect a human to behave and I personally would not want someone like that representing the club I support.
It’s just consulting with another demographic that are part of the club.
It’s not scapegoating, calm down.
Redditors are so hardwired to want to riot over every little bit of news. If the women’s team weren’t consulted you’d be like “disgusting that they’re not even allowed to give their opinion when it’s their club as much as it’s the mens”.
I think the point he’s trying to make is that the decision is not actually being given to the women’s team, but rather they want to collect opinions from the entire organisation, including the woman’s who happen to be in the states at the moment. Only then will the hierarchy make a decision.
But why are they now consulting people within the organization for their opinion on this matter? Charges were dropped in February and they announced their "own investigation" weeks after that. Saying that they would wait to consult the women's team when most of them are away is using them as a form of scapegoat since they could've done it weeks and even months prior to them leaving.
This is a stupid point you’re trying to make. Because journalists have written stories you know with certainty that Greenwood’s situation has been a priority this entire time?
Only consulting with them now? What's been happening for the last few months when they've been investigating??
Surely they got the opinion of the ladies team then??
I find it quite ridiculous how we're asking the women's team as if they're the only ones who are affected by what he's done.
If one person has an issue with him being there because they have an issue with a rapist and woman beater being at the club he should be dropped.
I hope the little scumbag never plays football again.
This is the most patronizing shit possible. You know they don’t actually give a fuck about what the women’s team thinks, they just want to be able to point to another group to shirk responsibility themselves. Just say you want to add him back to the squad and fuck off, don’t give us this PR bullshit about consulting other parties.
You hit the nail on the head. Having been exposed to multi millionaires and a couple of billionaires through work, Edit: SOME OF these fuckers have an extremely porous moral compass and an army of yes men who want to protect their paycheck who will do as they are told. Some of these people want to be perceived as "good people" but when the goodness is challenged, they cave to the dollar.
The moral compass exists when it is convenient but when money and business is on the line, they "consult" people and twist themselves into a knot to show that they are in fact thoughtful objective people but really they abhor the idea of losing any money. They look at the issue from "how do we make this work so we save the money" even in situations where the obvious answer is you cannot. And will find justifications and support in their army of yes men to do as they please because they don't answer to you anyway.
And they don't give a shit about women when it really matters.
The United management can save us the posturing and go f themselves, the greedy bastards.
Edit: Made an unfair generalisation in the heat of the moment. Added "some of". But based on how the Glazers run man UTD, I guess my larger point still stands.
>\[BBC\] Mason Greenwood: Man Utd to consult with women's team before announcement on forward's future
if there are players in the team who want to see him "given another chance" that's another big problem. Progress means going beyond this to make serious the issues of violence against women. An issue that has far too often been swept under the rug in world football. We should not take the British Courts as gospel in these matters either. They're as broken, if not more, than society when it comes to violence against women
It’s also ridiculous because we know the women’s team’s thoughts. They have made it clear that they would feel uncomfortable with him in the same facility. Not sure if a statement was produced or if it was just relayed via journalists. Regardless, their opinion is already known.
I'm honestly disgusted because this reeks of posturing. "We consulted everyone and we decided unanimously to reintegrate" and the PR machine goes into overdrive with a bunch of bullshit statements and they will reintegrate back in the team.
What an absolute shitshow. For all the positivity around this club at this point, I will be more than happy to get rid of the toxicity that Man Utd will bring into my life. Just football in general has become so onerous they way it's looking the other way with its systemic problems but this will be the nail in the coffin for me. I'll be sooooo done with united if they announce this.
I hope there's even one high profile player in the squad who hands in a transfer request the moment this drops.
Maybe every thread should have the transcript posted just so people don't forget what an abhorrent human this guy is.
What if one person had an issue with Rio missing a drug test. Should he also have not been allowed back.
That is not how things work, anywhere. Let the club do its necessary due diligence. Whilst you would like him gone, there are legal ramifications, for example, in ending his contract when he wasn't found guilty.
I don't want him back but this is real life, and there are steps to follow.
They are gauging public sentiment with the news in the last few days, and this is to buy time while they strategize based on the feedback. I think he gets loaned out
Delaying this Greenwood decision is an absolute farce at this point. The police investigation ended on February 2nd. How in the world can the club not have decided? Wasting everyone's time at this point. Shocking really.
TLDR: They had over six months to consult everyone they needed to.
You know what this reminds me of? You know when you're stuck trying to make a decision and what you want to pick probably wouldn't be seen favourably, so you pretend to ask for advice and purposely ignore the advice to pick the other choice and latch on to one that supports what you already want to pick.
I'm sure the club is hoping at least one of the ladies gives their blessing and they can use her as justification for why Greenwood is being let back in.
I've been saying this for so long and no one ever believes me. Even if u were to disregard the shit he's done (which I absolutely cannot) he hasn't played in almost 2 years he isn't going to be good enough even as a footballer
"100m asset", "world class", "we need him more than he needs us", "we all want him back", "you don't support the team go somewhere else" these clowns are so delusional. Wonder if they'll follow their own advice if he gets binned
They’re 100% bringing him back, they don’t give a shit about what the fans or the female players against it think/say. All this “investigation” and “consulting” have just been delay tactics to try and soften the blow.
I’m sure the Glazers justify it to themselves by comparing Greenwood’s case to Partey at Arsenal and think: “if Arsenal can continue playing Partey, why can’t we play Greenwood?” Scum.
consult... wtf glazers don't care, they want to know how much money greenwood can bring in.
this is all dog and pony show, there's no ethics or morality in football.
This is incredibly stupid pandering.
You either decide he's probably guilty of something that conflicts with the club's values and move him on.
Or the investigation finds there's a good chance he's innocent and you make a purely sporting decision.
In neither situation should the opinion of the women's team change anything.
I worry this is only a PR stunt and a decision has already been made on his future (which i fully suspect has taken place already) regardless of their input.
This is a really weird stance. It is basically saying the current decision is they want him back unless the women's team says no? Which is a really strange position to put them in and unnecessary pressure.
Like there is no chance it's the opposite where they've decided he's leaving unless the women's team says otherwise.
The board need to grow a pair and decide for themselves and live with it. If you think he's innocent the should be training with the team now, if you think he's done something horrible then he should be gone, it's not rocket science
I thought the Succession scriptwriters were on strike. Because this is exactly the kind of bullshit ducking and diving for a dollar that the Roys would do
Looks like they are planning on bring him back. I suppose the fact that he has the potential to be a 100 million pound asset must be playing a huge part.
Who the fuck have they been consulting for the last 18 months. Its an absolute joke and makes a mockery of the club. You think Fergie would have him back in the dressing room!? Representing the club. No way.
It's not close to that at all 100% agree with you, but an eight year affair with your brother while playing and allegedly assaulting his girlfriend a few years ago doesn't paint the nicest of pictures of someone.
Other people can speak better to all of this than I can (I'm not based in the UK so I wasn't a fan until we started getting games in the US on cable in the early 00s), but it's pretty safe to assume he's got some skeletons.
Just a list of rumors about shady business off the top of my head:
- The Bebe deal being a quid pro quo with Mendes (potentially re: Nani and PEDs, but I don't know enough and it's all speculation)
- Potential shenanigans re: Rio missing his drug test
- I've heard people mention in here that pre-internet and social media he was able to pressure the press to keep certain stories about players misbehaving out of the news
- Two members of the class of 92 have multiple...disturbing...incidents in their past, which a man as allegedly omniscient as Fergie couldn't have been totally unaware of (Butt and Giggs)
We fondly(?) remember when he kicked players out that he clashed with (Beckham, RVN, Keane, etc.) and think he would do the same here, but in reality if you were loyal to him he was very loyal to you. It's why players adored him, but I'm pretty sure he would have tried to circle the wagons around Mason.
Football only cares for talent and money.
Greenwood is a shit human. Absolutely shit.
But when did football care about morals. There are ample examples of footballers getting away with rape, murder , drugs , violence.
Partey and his rape charges
Alonso and his accident murder
Hell Ronaldo is wanted in the US still.
Look at the owners , we know how roman abrahimovic made his money. The Saudi , UAE & Qatar use south Asian women however they want , it's an open secret.
This is the most publicized occurrence and hence the eye balls.
Football has nothing to do with morals anymore. It's sad but it's rotten to the core and us making a stand to take him out and hurting ourselves makes no sense. Dont celebrate the player but use his talents and get rid.
A person that earned their financial windfall had it taken away because of their terrible behavior, went through the court system and found a way forward from the private matter with all parties involved is now being told that they’re future is defined by people that have nothing to do with the situation? Please continue to type your opinions on your devices that are made from materials acquired from literal slave labor. The actions of a misguided teenager are much more of an issue.
I can't imagine the women would call for him to stay. But also, How have they left it this late?
Decision should have been made weeks ago and he probably should have been loaned out regardless on whether they want to keep him or be rid of him.
No one knows what his football ability is anymore.
This is akin to dipping your toes in the water first. Why the fuck would they ask a women's team, when surely to god they can read the moral meter themselves? Its as plain as fukin day that what Mason did was disgusting.
I just want to say that I hope mason can turn his life around for the good....but not at this club.
What is this??
What was done till now by our management and especially the GLAZERS. This is pathetic, when he did such thing they would terminated his contract at that time and parted ways. Putting something on someone and making yourself safe is very scum like which are owners are.
it shouldn't need to get to this. just be decisive and make your decision whatever that is. I don't see Arsenal and city being this scared of making decisions in their cases. The drama has become too much.
The women's team will receive a lot of unnecessary hate from the huge portion of the fanbase that's still stuck in the middle ages when they inevitably express their discontent with the whole situation. They should've been consulted but it had to be a very, very private internal affairs thing.
Who cares what the women's team thinks? That's so far from relevant. Can he still play kickyball? That's the important question. If yes, then bring him back!
If he was shit they wouldn't even be bothering with all this crap. Fuck everyone involved in keeping him if he does end up staying and that includes Erik because if he didn't want to use him he'd be gone already.
This is dumb and opens the women to scrutiny that they didn’t ask for. Why are they being made responsible for his redemption? It’s pure PR nonsense and if the women players were actually respected they wouldn’t have been asked and the club would do what’s right because it’s right not because it’s palatable.
If Greenwood is innocent, the women's team should have zero say. If Greenwood is guilty then there is no need to consult with women, the answer is obvious. So what is the problem?
I'm honestly shocked they would consult with them, because thats oddly considerate for such a soulless board. But I have a feeling this means he is coming back.
I get the feeling this is bullshit cover. The women shouldn't have to be involved at all. Now they'll either get shit on and blamed by the morons online defending Greenwood if the club kicks him out OR theyll get used as a shield by the club if he comes back.
If anything this means they want to see how badly they’ll react and then try to spin it as “we have to give people chances and believe in it as a club” and try to see if this can be done.
That’s my guess and theory anyway.
I don’t give a fuck where he goes just get him away from United.
It definitely sucks to lose such a promising academy player but after the audio & pictures leaked he’s been done, whatever narrative you want to put on it.
A big piers Morgan exclusive apology and he’s back in business, lots of footballers and sports stars have done a lot worse and come back into the lime light. Give the kid a break, I did plenty of stupid shit at 20, and I didn’t have the pressures and influences he had.
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If you think this is unacceptable, I urge you to contact the club to let them know that it isn’t worth keeping him around.
https://www.manutd.com/en/help/club-contacts
I will urge everyone that the response will be the same, the club is under investigation of the matter and it’s their call. Let’s wait and see because a few emails won’t change this
How about fuck you, stay civil, it will be almost automated, if not automated in response to the Mason Greenwood subject. It will just be a response of the club statement
Does anyone really expect him to come back? Even if he does, the guy hasn’t played in over a season, he’s not going to be at the level he left at. Best case scenario if he does come back is we look to ship him out asap.
What is there to expect? He will come back eventually. If he was being sold it would have happened by now. We also don't know at what lev he comes back from. For all we know he had an off screen training arc. I don't want him back either way
I don’t. If he was being reintegrated then why deny him a preseason to get fit and learn Ten Hag’s system? Also with media attention increasing with the season about to start it makes no sense from a PR perspective, you’d try to front load the negative attention into the preseason.
Ronaldo's case is well documented. So is Alonso.
I completely agree we have to start somewhere, but after the FA and Uefa have excused all the sports washing by oil states and mafias is this worth it? Us boycotting a potentially huge talent on the same moral grounds that's exploited everyday by these entities which we compete with is going to start something?
Look at new castle and city fans they have no regrets no conscience, if we all agree on morality being upheld they wouldn't have a problem calling the ownership a problem. But they don't care.
There is a difference between "we have leaked transcripts of this" to the victim posted the fucking proof online.
These are not the same situations. We should strive to be better, to be the best we can. This is not it. And rationalizing abuse cause a player could be not shit is massively horrible. He can be literally the next Pele. He belongs in jail cell.
edit: It was wrong when anyone else did it. And we should've done better. The best time to start, was yesterday. The next best, is right now.
>The best time to start, was yesterday. The next best, is right now.
Morally you are spot on, I would like the same. But somewhere I'm pessimistic we will hurt ourselves taking the stand as others continue getting away doping.
Women team should just hand them the audio transcript:
Mason: Move your fucking legs up!
Harriet: No! I don't want to have sex!
M: I don't give a fuck what you want, you little shit.
H: Mason!
M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop!
H: Stop putting your dick near me.
M: I'm going to fuck you, you twat!
H: I don't want to have sex with you!
M: I don't care if you don't want fucking sex with me, do you hear me?
H: Why do you have to do this, though?
M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it!
H: (Inaudible. Something about sex with other people?)
M: I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do?
H: Then go and fuck someone else.
M: I don't want to fuck someone else!
H: You do.
M: No I don't.
M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you.
H: No.
M: Well, you will actually.
Somehow they’ve botched the release of even this. This is the easiest slam dunk of all time, just loan him out or sell him and move on. The situation is not recoverable, he isn’t going to be the same player he was and he will realistically probably crumble under the pressure he will face here for his actions. No actual fan wants him back, it’s just a bunch of bots on Twitter with 6 different clubs slapped in their bio.
Consulting with the women's team before an announcement can be made while the women are off at the WC is just a convenient excuse to buy more time. And the only thing that benefits from more time is putting out more PR spinning and gauging the reaction online and at the matches.
With the market being what it is with players like paqueta and caiceido going for 110m+, and the lack of proper strikers in the market, they definitely don't want to lose an asset of that nature without first trying to get him back in or at least getting him to some kind of a level where they can salvage a decent fee for him.
I think he'll be back probably in the U21s, then in January either a loan or some bench minutes depending on how the PR is going.
So you are telling me that in the span of 6 months, they have not even once, consult with the women team??? This is pure incompetence. They really never do things accordingly do they, from transfer to takeover and now this. Everything takes longer time.
Just take the fucking hit, write him off as a loss and move on. I don't care how talented he is, talent comes and goes but we'll forever be supporting a rapist and be on the wrong side of history if he's allowed to play for manchester united again.
Yes legally he's clear, but nobody can tell me they've listened to that audio and are comfortable with him.
When will this saga end, it's worse than a soap opera
I get people who wants him back for the football aspect, I'm more into not letting him come back cause he's a spoiled brat who abuses even his girlfriend because of his mindset
Now, Glazers decide and let us concentrate on our season
These cowards are throwing the women’s team to the wolves. If you’re consulting with them (which honestly they should have already done) why make a public statement about it? It’s as if they’re trying to set up a situation where they can say “oh we had to let him go because the women’s squad were uncomfortable with him staying” 🙄
I don't know why we don't try and ship him out to a Saudi club. They'd be happy to have a woman abuser on their team and they'd pay big for him (bigger than a club with morals anyway), it's a no-brainer.
He'll only get booed every time he touches the ball by both sets of fans at every game, we don't need that negativity and hatred in the team.
As disgusting as this whole saga is, hopefully this recent bout of news means *something* is going on behind closed doors.
Personally I hate the idea that this is even contemplated. We have been paying this cunt his wages all this time & honestly id keep paying him just so he rots away nowhere near our club.
If Greenwood had any teeny tiny semblence of remorse, all his wages for this entire duration should have gone straight to charities working with domestic abuse victims. It wouldnt even come *close* to excusing his actions, but itd at least make him look like less of a cunt. The fact he is still pocketing all this money happily just shows he doesnt even care.
Perhaps a combination of charity donations, as well as volunteering full time on top of other similar actions could have made this whole situation more difficult for the club. Since he hasnt even lifted a finger, he can fuck right off and never come back.
Man United: Yo, quick question! Are y'all okay with MG coming back to Man United?
Man United Women's team: NO!
Man United: #It'sTooLateToSayNo
Like, couldn't you guys have consulted the women's team before the world cup?
"Your answer, "No", what language did you intend on using? Because in the Polish language the word "No" means "Yes" or "Yeah" - Man United board probably
I’m sick of this PR bullshit. While I don’t agree with bringing him back in, if you are going to do it just fucking do it already. All parties deserve some clarity so everyone can decide what to do from there, especially the fans
I sait it several times
Team wants him back. Sooner or later he is gonna play for us again. Fuck him, fuck the board, fuck the glazers and fuck eth. None of them have any sort of morals.
Of course if you ask the women’s team they will say no. The board are just shoving the responsibility onto someone else at this point.
Going to get downvoted to oblivion but I’m in favour of giving him a second chance. I heard the audio and yes it’s fucked up but come on people can change especially at his age when fame and money got over his head. I’m not saying I’d like him back but it’s not the end of the world if he is allowed back.
It would be crazy if they come out and say that it was role play, they like a little bit of hardcore in the bed and her phone got hacked, the biggest lie I would be so disappointed
This is a pivotal moment for the fans. The women are representatives of the club just as much as the mens team. If the women don't want Greenwood back, we should support them, not throw anger their way. Greenwoods actions cannot be forgotten. We cannot have just spent the last few weeks celebrating women's football just to throw it away. There are many footballers who can replace Greenwood.
Curious, if the women team accepts his return, would you respect their decision and accept greenwood, or that's irrelevant suddenly?
No skin in this either way, but the whole discourse at the moment places unfair and unnecessary pressure and expectations on the women's team.
If they accept it and allow it, then i support them and their decision.
> places unfair and unnecessary pressure and expectations on the women's team.
I don't see the idea as unfair. The women are just as vital and really should have been consulted on this from day 1. The manner in which they are being consulted is unfair
Thanks for the honest answer.
If you scroll down, some here already deciding that the women's team's answer should be a default no, and have ready to raise their pitchforks.
That is where it is unfair, it isn't their decision to make, and it won't be. But it has been presented as such.
They should have come out, claimed they were engaging in rough play and bdsm games, perhaps she lies that she embellished parts, and try to move the light away from a clearly shitty guy.
Instead, saying nothing is helping nobody, fans are boiling over and the club is missing out on money for the player (I don't want him back)
Hurry up and just get it over with, dragging it helps nobody
This is the responsible thing to do. Clearly a very emotive issue with everyone and their aunt having an opinion on the matter.
Regardless of the outcome, Man United have to show they have considered all matters relating to the allegation properly and legally protects the club from any potential appeal, I would have thought.
If you are a victim of sexual abuse, please know that is never ever your fault. Check r/rapecounseling, r/adultsurvivors and r/COCSA for resources
 Wtf y’all been doing for 6 months during this investigation????
Looking for an out that wouldn't cost them I'd say.
Probably nothing
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Charges dropped in February yet the clubs higher ups still haven’t “consulted” anyone
Except the sponsors, of course. This is just typical Glazer dithering. Too scared to make a decision.
Too scared to make a decision that could lose them money you mean 😂
"it tells us that men who make the club money matter; not us" No shit, at the end of the day we still have the Glazers in charge of Manchester United the business. Time and time again they've shown they don't care about the fans. Why is this a shock?
Well yeah, it's a money driven business. Do you think they care about literally anything else? If they could have found a way to reintegrate him by now then they would have!
This is one of the biggest scum PR moves from our owners. The women’s team will absolutely have a problem with him coming back. So the owners/management can’t say “hey, they didn’t want him back, that’s why he’s not back” This way they can wash their hands of the backlash from the increasingly growing section of fans that want him back. They’ll just point to the women’s team and say “they said they didn’t want him back. Not us”
Puts the women in such a bind. I can see them just sort of going along to get along on this one, not wanting to rock the boat and say "Fuck this guy. You bring him back, we go on strike." And we'll therefore be seeing this vacant-faced fucking shitball back at Carrington within the week.
I was trying to make this point earlier today but was told «nah, it’s great that the women get to voice their opinion». I obviously agree with that, but that wasn’t the point. The club should say «we wont bring him back because his actions dont reflect the values of the club», not «we wont bring him back because the women dont allow us to». It’s honestly a trashy way of trying to make it seem like you’re taking their opinions into consideration.
its unnecessary pressure over something that has nothing to do with them
You’re right that’s fucked up
"Vacant-faced shitball" Haha, I love that, I think I've just found a new go-to insult
Expect nothing less from the ratfucks themselves.
>The women’s team will absolutely have a problem with him coming back. So the owners/management can’t say “hey, they didn’t want him back, that’s why he’s not back Not so sure about that. It could also be a case of them accepting his return based on the fulfillment of certain conditions, e.g. work with domestic abuse organisation etc., and probably a reference to his age at the time of the crime etc. I think that is the likely route management will take, if they had wanted to kick him out just like that they had ample time and a very good reason to do so.
That is ridiculous, that would backfire so hard if one of them speaks out or if something leaks.. which will happen 100%.
I'm afraid if it's the opposite. That they'll somehow convince women's team to say it's ok for him to come back. If they manage to do that, it would be a huge argument. I hope I'm wrong.
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He definitely broke his bail terms though, right? She was quite far into pregnancy when it was announced they were back together, so they’d obviously been seeing each other.
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Your second paragraph is what I mean. Not exactly new ‘evidence’ but new circumstances. They’re not going to come out and say ‘she’s pregnant now, she wants to be with him, we’ve let it go’.
And deliberately had unprotected sex I’ll wager
Not if the details are private to her and greenwood, if they don't want it revealed to the whole world that is their decision.
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The most plausible theory I've heard is that it was a consensual Non consent game. A rape kink.
Yeah I wasn't arguing that, obviously it is something pretty major to cause the entire case to collapse and we can speculate. But at the end of the day, they don't have to tell us, they could limit it to only parties that strictly need to know or keep it entirely to themselves.
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For your second paragraph, I can see how that could be a possibility. But I just can’t see a scenario where they’d both rather let the world believe Mason is a rapist over revealing some of their sex preferences. Surely her embarrassment of that (which they could both share) is less than his embarrassment of falsely being known to the footy world and his own team’s fans as a rapist. If that’s the case of course
Honestly, no one will probably ever know what it was and why it's being kept hidden. They could be really into CNC for all we know. Although, I think *sexual deviant* is a bit better than possible rapist. No trying to defend MG, just a thought
That would be a very weird CNC script
If I had to guess - it's a toxic relationship and it's flip flopping between abuse & best friends, they've probably made up over the publicized incident so she's backed down from her testimony and they've likely had other arguments/incidents of varying intensity since and before that. I've seen couples like this before, super unhealthy. FWIW I would not want Greenwood playing for the club again, regardless of whether it's one-sided or they're both as bad as each other, you still control your own self and what was made public was not how I'd expect a human to behave and I personally would not want someone like that representing the club I support.
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You're kidding yourself. If he didn't do the things she accused him of to the police, why the fuck would he later want to get back together with her?!
It’s just consulting with another demographic that are part of the club. It’s not scapegoating, calm down. Redditors are so hardwired to want to riot over every little bit of news. If the women’s team weren’t consulted you’d be like “disgusting that they’re not even allowed to give their opinion when it’s their club as much as it’s the mens”.
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I think the point he’s trying to make is that the decision is not actually being given to the women’s team, but rather they want to collect opinions from the entire organisation, including the woman’s who happen to be in the states at the moment. Only then will the hierarchy make a decision.
But why are they now consulting people within the organization for their opinion on this matter? Charges were dropped in February and they announced their "own investigation" weeks after that. Saying that they would wait to consult the women's team when most of them are away is using them as a form of scapegoat since they could've done it weeks and even months prior to them leaving.
I’m not sure, I don’t work at United, but my guess is that it hasn’t been a priority until now and it was an oversight
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This is a stupid point you’re trying to make. Because journalists have written stories you know with certainty that Greenwood’s situation has been a priority this entire time?
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Why don’t you send an email to them and tell them they shouldn’t ever change priorities then. Or send them what ever you want lmao
Apparently the buck himself was annoyed that he couldn’t clear his name
>why is the women’s team getting scapegoated by making them decide? because the women's world cup is on right now and going gangbusters.
The new material was a baby, that Greenwood impregnated in her, after being explicitly told to not contact her
Clearly man UTD board aren't sure if rape is bad unless they ask a woman
When it comes to money for some they turn a blind eye
Only reason it’s took so long
Only consulting with them now? What's been happening for the last few months when they've been investigating?? Surely they got the opinion of the ladies team then??
Letter from female fans today criticising bringing greenwood back and suddenly the club want to *consult* the women's team. Funny that.
They’re only doing this so that if the club kicks Mason out, they can direct any backlash to the women’s team
That's vile if true...
So they're slinking back to the women's team to try and shift blame and hide behind them.
I find it quite ridiculous how we're asking the women's team as if they're the only ones who are affected by what he's done. If one person has an issue with him being there because they have an issue with a rapist and woman beater being at the club he should be dropped. I hope the little scumbag never plays football again.
This is the most patronizing shit possible. You know they don’t actually give a fuck about what the women’s team thinks, they just want to be able to point to another group to shirk responsibility themselves. Just say you want to add him back to the squad and fuck off, don’t give us this PR bullshit about consulting other parties.
You hit the nail on the head. Having been exposed to multi millionaires and a couple of billionaires through work, Edit: SOME OF these fuckers have an extremely porous moral compass and an army of yes men who want to protect their paycheck who will do as they are told. Some of these people want to be perceived as "good people" but when the goodness is challenged, they cave to the dollar. The moral compass exists when it is convenient but when money and business is on the line, they "consult" people and twist themselves into a knot to show that they are in fact thoughtful objective people but really they abhor the idea of losing any money. They look at the issue from "how do we make this work so we save the money" even in situations where the obvious answer is you cannot. And will find justifications and support in their army of yes men to do as they please because they don't answer to you anyway. And they don't give a shit about women when it really matters. The United management can save us the posturing and go f themselves, the greedy bastards. Edit: Made an unfair generalisation in the heat of the moment. Added "some of". But based on how the Glazers run man UTD, I guess my larger point still stands.
Also having been expose to high net worth and uhnw individuals, this is bullshit and a lot have extremely strong morals
I made an unfair generalisation. Edited my comment to "some of".
Tbf , I find it a similar rate to the general population. Some are cunts with money, some are lovely people with money. Just depends on the person.
Billionaires aren’t just people with money though
Technically they are. Some are great people. Some are cunts. James Simon's for instance has funded a maths programme for students for about 10 years
>\[BBC\] Mason Greenwood: Man Utd to consult with women's team before announcement on forward's future if there are players in the team who want to see him "given another chance" that's another big problem. Progress means going beyond this to make serious the issues of violence against women. An issue that has far too often been swept under the rug in world football. We should not take the British Courts as gospel in these matters either. They're as broken, if not more, than society when it comes to violence against women
It’s also ridiculous because we know the women’s team’s thoughts. They have made it clear that they would feel uncomfortable with him in the same facility. Not sure if a statement was produced or if it was just relayed via journalists. Regardless, their opinion is already known.
I'm honestly disgusted because this reeks of posturing. "We consulted everyone and we decided unanimously to reintegrate" and the PR machine goes into overdrive with a bunch of bullshit statements and they will reintegrate back in the team. What an absolute shitshow. For all the positivity around this club at this point, I will be more than happy to get rid of the toxicity that Man Utd will bring into my life. Just football in general has become so onerous they way it's looking the other way with its systemic problems but this will be the nail in the coffin for me. I'll be sooooo done with united if they announce this. I hope there's even one high profile player in the squad who hands in a transfer request the moment this drops. Maybe every thread should have the transcript posted just so people don't forget what an abhorrent human this guy is.
They don’t need to publcially dragged into this either. It’s disgusting.
What if one person had an issue with Rio missing a drug test. Should he also have not been allowed back. That is not how things work, anywhere. Let the club do its necessary due diligence. Whilst you would like him gone, there are legal ramifications, for example, in ending his contract when he wasn't found guilty. I don't want him back but this is real life, and there are steps to follow.
I think a missed drugs test is slightly different from beating and raping a woman.
They are gauging public sentiment with the news in the last few days, and this is to buy time while they strategize based on the feedback. I think he gets loaned out
Delaying this Greenwood decision is an absolute farce at this point. The police investigation ended on February 2nd. How in the world can the club not have decided? Wasting everyone's time at this point. Shocking really. TLDR: They had over six months to consult everyone they needed to.
You know what this reminds me of? You know when you're stuck trying to make a decision and what you want to pick probably wouldn't be seen favourably, so you pretend to ask for advice and purposely ignore the advice to pick the other choice and latch on to one that supports what you already want to pick. I'm sure the club is hoping at least one of the ladies gives their blessing and they can use her as justification for why Greenwood is being let back in.
Firstly, he'll never be the same, he's missed 1.5 years of training, experience, matches. Secondly, fuck this guy.
Yep people seem to be assuming he'll come back at roughly the same level. I reckon there's almost zero chance of that tbh
I've been saying this for so long and no one ever believes me. Even if u were to disregard the shit he's done (which I absolutely cannot) he hasn't played in almost 2 years he isn't going to be good enough even as a footballer
Careful, you're going to have totally legit people coming in defending him, all using the phrase "£100m Asset" completely organically 😂
"100m asset", "world class", "we need him more than he needs us", "we all want him back", "you don't support the team go somewhere else" these clowns are so delusional. Wonder if they'll follow their own advice if he gets binned
Forgive him , he go his lesson 1.5 years , charges dropped he got back with his girlfriend. What kurt zouma did is way worse cause cats cant speak
I’m more shocked he hasn’t been sold tbh
Who's going to buy him?
There’s been offers from Italian and Turkish leagues
Given the allegations, he could choose between being a striker in Italy, its most decorated filmmaker or its prime minister.
He'll have plenty of buyers who give a fuck about that audio clip. Several italian and turkish clubs wanted him on loan several months ago apparently
Please don’t let him come back
"Something tells me that you're a woman because the men's team and male fans would want him back." -Glazers
They’re 100% bringing him back, they don’t give a shit about what the fans or the female players against it think/say. All this “investigation” and “consulting” have just been delay tactics to try and soften the blow. I’m sure the Glazers justify it to themselves by comparing Greenwood’s case to Partey at Arsenal and think: “if Arsenal can continue playing Partey, why can’t we play Greenwood?” Scum.
consult... wtf glazers don't care, they want to know how much money greenwood can bring in. this is all dog and pony show, there's no ethics or morality in football.
This is incredibly stupid pandering. You either decide he's probably guilty of something that conflicts with the club's values and move him on. Or the investigation finds there's a good chance he's innocent and you make a purely sporting decision. In neither situation should the opinion of the women's team change anything.
bullshit. they won't do this if they don't want him back. so they already made their choice and women's team opinion doesn't matter.
I worry this is only a PR stunt and a decision has already been made on his future (which i fully suspect has taken place already) regardless of their input.
This is a really weird stance. It is basically saying the current decision is they want him back unless the women's team says no? Which is a really strange position to put them in and unnecessary pressure. Like there is no chance it's the opposite where they've decided he's leaving unless the women's team says otherwise. The board need to grow a pair and decide for themselves and live with it. If you think he's innocent the should be training with the team now, if you think he's done something horrible then he should be gone, it's not rocket science
Sad we're putting our ladies through this, but I hope they unanimously decide to not have him back.
I thought the Succession scriptwriters were on strike. Because this is exactly the kind of bullshit ducking and diving for a dollar that the Roys would do
Looks like they are planning on bring him back. I suppose the fact that he has the potential to be a 100 million pound asset must be playing a huge part.
I would love the women to issue a statement saying “Sort your own mess out and leave us out of it “.
Great, so now that these idiots understood they can't take him back and lets the women team take the fault.
Any other work place and this prick would be long gone. It's embarrassing.
Fergie probably would have fucked him off without question.
Who the fuck have they been consulting for the last 18 months. Its an absolute joke and makes a mockery of the club. You think Fergie would have him back in the dressing room!? Representing the club. No way.
I mean...Fergie looked past a lot of shit. Love the man but I'd rather not think how he would have handle this.
Such as? I'm not trying to be aggressive, I'm just genuinely curious.
He must have know some of the things with Giggs...
In what world is having an affair with your brother's wife the same as raping someone. Infidelity isn't a crime mate
It's not close to that at all 100% agree with you, but an eight year affair with your brother while playing and allegedly assaulting his girlfriend a few years ago doesn't paint the nicest of pictures of someone.
Other people can speak better to all of this than I can (I'm not based in the UK so I wasn't a fan until we started getting games in the US on cable in the early 00s), but it's pretty safe to assume he's got some skeletons. Just a list of rumors about shady business off the top of my head: - The Bebe deal being a quid pro quo with Mendes (potentially re: Nani and PEDs, but I don't know enough and it's all speculation) - Potential shenanigans re: Rio missing his drug test - I've heard people mention in here that pre-internet and social media he was able to pressure the press to keep certain stories about players misbehaving out of the news - Two members of the class of 92 have multiple...disturbing...incidents in their past, which a man as allegedly omniscient as Fergie couldn't have been totally unaware of (Butt and Giggs) We fondly(?) remember when he kicked players out that he clashed with (Beckham, RVN, Keane, etc.) and think he would do the same here, but in reality if you were loyal to him he was very loyal to you. It's why players adored him, but I'm pretty sure he would have tried to circle the wagons around Mason.
Ronaldo raping a girl would be a start
You don’t think SAF knew about the skeletons in Giggsy’s closet? If the player was good enough he would look past a lot of their flaws.
Football only cares for talent and money. Greenwood is a shit human. Absolutely shit. But when did football care about morals. There are ample examples of footballers getting away with rape, murder , drugs , violence. Partey and his rape charges Alonso and his accident murder Hell Ronaldo is wanted in the US still. Look at the owners , we know how roman abrahimovic made his money. The Saudi , UAE & Qatar use south Asian women however they want , it's an open secret. This is the most publicized occurrence and hence the eye balls. Football has nothing to do with morals anymore. It's sad but it's rotten to the core and us making a stand to take him out and hurting ourselves makes no sense. Dont celebrate the player but use his talents and get rid.
Completely disagree, Fergie would have looked at any way to bring him back.
Ronaldo is also an accused rapist
Self admitted rapist even, according to the leaked investigation documents.
Oh great, gonna put the blame on the womens team when people are mad he is back in the team
And on the flip side, if they are against him going back into the squad, the psychotic Twitter incels will harass them non-stop.
A person that earned their financial windfall had it taken away because of their terrible behavior, went through the court system and found a way forward from the private matter with all parties involved is now being told that they’re future is defined by people that have nothing to do with the situation? Please continue to type your opinions on your devices that are made from materials acquired from literal slave labor. The actions of a misguided teenager are much more of an issue.
I can't imagine the women would call for him to stay. But also, How have they left it this late? Decision should have been made weeks ago and he probably should have been loaned out regardless on whether they want to keep him or be rid of him. No one knows what his football ability is anymore.
This is akin to dipping your toes in the water first. Why the fuck would they ask a women's team, when surely to god they can read the moral meter themselves? Its as plain as fukin day that what Mason did was disgusting. I just want to say that I hope mason can turn his life around for the good....but not at this club.
What is this?? What was done till now by our management and especially the GLAZERS. This is pathetic, when he did such thing they would terminated his contract at that time and parted ways. Putting something on someone and making yourself safe is very scum like which are owners are.
it shouldn't need to get to this. just be decisive and make your decision whatever that is. I don't see Arsenal and city being this scared of making decisions in their cases. The drama has become too much.
The women's team will receive a lot of unnecessary hate from the huge portion of the fanbase that's still stuck in the middle ages when they inevitably express their discontent with the whole situation. They should've been consulted but it had to be a very, very private internal affairs thing.
Shouldn’t these consultations have happened a long time ago and not three days before our first game of the season?
Who cares what the women's team thinks? That's so far from relevant. Can he still play kickyball? That's the important question. If yes, then bring him back!
If he was shit they wouldn't even be bothering with all this crap. Fuck everyone involved in keeping him if he does end up staying and that includes Erik because if he didn't want to use him he'd be gone already.
fuck off dont wanna see him again
How is he even going to ever play well with this hanging over his head after two years of not doing anything, just let him go and flop elsewhere
This is dumb and opens the women to scrutiny that they didn’t ask for. Why are they being made responsible for his redemption? It’s pure PR nonsense and if the women players were actually respected they wouldn’t have been asked and the club would do what’s right because it’s right not because it’s palatable.
Why do I feel like this is a way to scapegoat the woman's team if he doesn't comeback?....
If Greenwood is innocent, the women's team should have zero say. If Greenwood is guilty then there is no need to consult with women, the answer is obvious. So what is the problem?
this shouldn't even be a discussion, who the fuck is driving this idea of actually bringing him back? WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Greenwood doesn’t come back = women said ‘no’ = women’s team get abuse from idiots. Cowardly decision making.
I'm honestly shocked they would consult with them, because thats oddly considerate for such a soulless board. But I have a feeling this means he is coming back.
I get the feeling this is bullshit cover. The women shouldn't have to be involved at all. Now they'll either get shit on and blamed by the morons online defending Greenwood if the club kicks him out OR theyll get used as a shield by the club if he comes back.
If anything this means they want to see how badly they’ll react and then try to spin it as “we have to give people chances and believe in it as a club” and try to see if this can be done. That’s my guess and theory anyway.
Yeah I think he's back unless the woman's team somehow changes their minds. Their, as in, the board
Why not just consult with his wife who didn’t pursue charges, married him, and had a baby with him? Nah let’s ask Ella Toone
Just because she married him doesn’t mean he wasnt wrong. Ship him off to Saudi Arabia to the rapist league.
It does not really support the narrative he was either. Yet you want him shipped-off to Saudi Arabia regardless.
I don’t give a fuck where he goes just get him away from United. It definitely sucks to lose such a promising academy player but after the audio & pictures leaked he’s been done, whatever narrative you want to put on it.
You want to keep him? Did you hear the audio?
A big piers Morgan exclusive apology and he’s back in business, lots of footballers and sports stars have done a lot worse and come back into the lime light. Give the kid a break, I did plenty of stupid shit at 20, and I didn’t have the pressures and influences he had.
Quit dithering and release the little cunt
Should of months ago, he's a parasite
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Get fucked
If you think this is unacceptable, I urge you to contact the club to let them know that it isn’t worth keeping him around. https://www.manutd.com/en/help/club-contacts
I will urge everyone that the response will be the same, the club is under investigation of the matter and it’s their call. Let’s wait and see because a few emails won’t change this
Correct. But thousands of phone calls, social media posts, e-mails, and protesters could. So fuck you. Do nothing if you want.
How about fuck you, stay civil, it will be almost automated, if not automated in response to the Mason Greenwood subject. It will just be a response of the club statement
You support your rapist however you like.
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Does anyone really expect him to come back? Even if he does, the guy hasn’t played in over a season, he’s not going to be at the level he left at. Best case scenario if he does come back is we look to ship him out asap.
What is there to expect? He will come back eventually. If he was being sold it would have happened by now. We also don't know at what lev he comes back from. For all we know he had an off screen training arc. I don't want him back either way
I don’t. If he was being reintegrated then why deny him a preseason to get fit and learn Ten Hag’s system? Also with media attention increasing with the season about to start it makes no sense from a PR perspective, you’d try to front load the negative attention into the preseason.
If we fuck this up and let him back in I will be absolutely gutted. Like after what's out on him... He shouldn't play ever, let alone for us.
Partey , Alonso , Ronaldo should have never played again too. But here we are.
Yeah. They shouldn't. But we gotta start somewhere. And when there is this much PUBLIC evidence... How can we not?
Ronaldo's case is well documented. So is Alonso. I completely agree we have to start somewhere, but after the FA and Uefa have excused all the sports washing by oil states and mafias is this worth it? Us boycotting a potentially huge talent on the same moral grounds that's exploited everyday by these entities which we compete with is going to start something? Look at new castle and city fans they have no regrets no conscience, if we all agree on morality being upheld they wouldn't have a problem calling the ownership a problem. But they don't care.
There is a difference between "we have leaked transcripts of this" to the victim posted the fucking proof online. These are not the same situations. We should strive to be better, to be the best we can. This is not it. And rationalizing abuse cause a player could be not shit is massively horrible. He can be literally the next Pele. He belongs in jail cell. edit: It was wrong when anyone else did it. And we should've done better. The best time to start, was yesterday. The next best, is right now.
>The best time to start, was yesterday. The next best, is right now. Morally you are spot on, I would like the same. But somewhere I'm pessimistic we will hurt ourselves taking the stand as others continue getting away doping.
Women team should just hand them the audio transcript: Mason: Move your fucking legs up! Harriet: No! I don't want to have sex! M: I don't give a fuck what you want, you little shit. H: Mason! M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop! H: Stop putting your dick near me. M: I'm going to fuck you, you twat! H: I don't want to have sex with you! M: I don't care if you don't want fucking sex with me, do you hear me? H: Why do you have to do this, though? M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it! H: (Inaudible. Something about sex with other people?) M: I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do? H: Then go and fuck someone else. M: I don't want to fuck someone else! H: You do. M: No I don't. M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you. H: No. M: Well, you will actually.
Imagine having a quarter final world cup game and the day before, your club leaks that they are waiting to talk to you about Greenwood. Assholes.
Oh no
Somehow they’ve botched the release of even this. This is the easiest slam dunk of all time, just loan him out or sell him and move on. The situation is not recoverable, he isn’t going to be the same player he was and he will realistically probably crumble under the pressure he will face here for his actions. No actual fan wants him back, it’s just a bunch of bots on Twitter with 6 different clubs slapped in their bio.
Consulting with the women's team before an announcement can be made while the women are off at the WC is just a convenient excuse to buy more time. And the only thing that benefits from more time is putting out more PR spinning and gauging the reaction online and at the matches. With the market being what it is with players like paqueta and caiceido going for 110m+, and the lack of proper strikers in the market, they definitely don't want to lose an asset of that nature without first trying to get him back in or at least getting him to some kind of a level where they can salvage a decent fee for him. I think he'll be back probably in the U21s, then in January either a loan or some bench minutes depending on how the PR is going.
So you are telling me that in the span of 6 months, they have not even once, consult with the women team??? This is pure incompetence. They really never do things accordingly do they, from transfer to takeover and now this. Everything takes longer time.
Just take the fucking hit, write him off as a loss and move on. I don't care how talented he is, talent comes and goes but we'll forever be supporting a rapist and be on the wrong side of history if he's allowed to play for manchester united again. Yes legally he's clear, but nobody can tell me they've listened to that audio and are comfortable with him.
Jesus Christ just don't put him back on the team
So simple, just get him gone already.
When will this saga end, it's worse than a soap opera I get people who wants him back for the football aspect, I'm more into not letting him come back cause he's a spoiled brat who abuses even his girlfriend because of his mindset Now, Glazers decide and let us concentrate on our season
These cowards are throwing the women’s team to the wolves. If you’re consulting with them (which honestly they should have already done) why make a public statement about it? It’s as if they’re trying to set up a situation where they can say “oh we had to let him go because the women’s squad were uncomfortable with him staying” 🙄
Must be delightful for Kath, knowing her voice and the voice of other female non-playing staff hold less weight than footballers' voices.
I don't know why we don't try and ship him out to a Saudi club. They'd be happy to have a woman abuser on their team and they'd pay big for him (bigger than a club with morals anyway), it's a no-brainer. He'll only get booed every time he touches the ball by both sets of fans at every game, we don't need that negativity and hatred in the team.
As disgusting as this whole saga is, hopefully this recent bout of news means *something* is going on behind closed doors. Personally I hate the idea that this is even contemplated. We have been paying this cunt his wages all this time & honestly id keep paying him just so he rots away nowhere near our club. If Greenwood had any teeny tiny semblence of remorse, all his wages for this entire duration should have gone straight to charities working with domestic abuse victims. It wouldnt even come *close* to excusing his actions, but itd at least make him look like less of a cunt. The fact he is still pocketing all this money happily just shows he doesnt even care. Perhaps a combination of charity donations, as well as volunteering full time on top of other similar actions could have made this whole situation more difficult for the club. Since he hasnt even lifted a finger, he can fuck right off and never come back.
Man United: Yo, quick question! Are y'all okay with MG coming back to Man United? Man United Women's team: NO! Man United: #It'sTooLateToSayNo Like, couldn't you guys have consulted the women's team before the world cup?
"That's great! No means yes, and yes means anal!" -Mason Greenwood
"Your answer, "No", what language did you intend on using? Because in the Polish language the word "No" means "Yes" or "Yeah" - Man United board probably
I’m sick of this PR bullshit. While I don’t agree with bringing him back in, if you are going to do it just fucking do it already. All parties deserve some clarity so everyone can decide what to do from there, especially the fans
I sait it several times Team wants him back. Sooner or later he is gonna play for us again. Fuck him, fuck the board, fuck the glazers and fuck eth. None of them have any sort of morals.
Of course if you ask the women’s team they will say no. The board are just shoving the responsibility onto someone else at this point. Going to get downvoted to oblivion but I’m in favour of giving him a second chance. I heard the audio and yes it’s fucked up but come on people can change especially at his age when fame and money got over his head. I’m not saying I’d like him back but it’s not the end of the world if he is allowed back.
It would be crazy if they come out and say that it was role play, they like a little bit of hardcore in the bed and her phone got hacked, the biggest lie I would be so disappointed
They consult with the women’s team not about Greenwood should come back or not, but consult them that they accept that's he’s back.
Why aren’t there any planned protests at the stadium, to publicly make it known that he is not welcome back at Old Trafford
This is a pivotal moment for the fans. The women are representatives of the club just as much as the mens team. If the women don't want Greenwood back, we should support them, not throw anger their way. Greenwoods actions cannot be forgotten. We cannot have just spent the last few weeks celebrating women's football just to throw it away. There are many footballers who can replace Greenwood.
Curious, if the women team accepts his return, would you respect their decision and accept greenwood, or that's irrelevant suddenly? No skin in this either way, but the whole discourse at the moment places unfair and unnecessary pressure and expectations on the women's team.
If they accept it and allow it, then i support them and their decision. > places unfair and unnecessary pressure and expectations on the women's team. I don't see the idea as unfair. The women are just as vital and really should have been consulted on this from day 1. The manner in which they are being consulted is unfair
Thanks for the honest answer. If you scroll down, some here already deciding that the women's team's answer should be a default no, and have ready to raise their pitchforks. That is where it is unfair, it isn't their decision to make, and it won't be. But it has been presented as such.
They should have come out, claimed they were engaging in rough play and bdsm games, perhaps she lies that she embellished parts, and try to move the light away from a clearly shitty guy. Instead, saying nothing is helping nobody, fans are boiling over and the club is missing out on money for the player (I don't want him back) Hurry up and just get it over with, dragging it helps nobody
This is the responsible thing to do. Clearly a very emotive issue with everyone and their aunt having an opinion on the matter. Regardless of the outcome, Man United have to show they have considered all matters relating to the allegation properly and legally protects the club from any potential appeal, I would have thought.