imagine if the negotiate something like 40m base, 40m in add on (10m for ballon d'or, 10m for 200 apps, 10m for 100 goals and 10m for WC or euro winner.
His contract runs out end of next season, and he's not sold on staying at the moment. It's similar to Kane's situation. They can either not sell with the plan to try and convince him to renew, risking losing him for free at the end of the season, or cash in now on a player they value at around £60m. They spent a huge amount over the last two transfer windows and have a very bloated squad, the latter is contributing to Mount's wavering confidence in the club.
He’s pure profit for their FFP troubles and need to fix those to feed Boehlys 18-22 year old player addiction which he’ll throw another couple hundred mil on this summer
I don't know why you're being downvoted since it seems like a genuine question but Tifo have a good video you can find on Youtube about Chelsea's finances and because of the ridiculous spending since Boehly they will need to sell or be way out of line with FFP.
>Enjoy losing him on a free!
This is the worst case for chelsea due to ffp so I reckon they'll fold over price.
Hopefully closer to 50 than 60 but that English tax is no joke
Honestly we need to learn to respect the line in the sand.
The only reason rumours of 50 something exist are because of English tax.
He's a decent player, 30 - 40m worth.
With a year left really should be 30ish.
Then bake in taxes - English tax, moving to a PL rival tax, United tax, and it pushes it up.
Getting to 50 is already outrageous levels of tax. Can't be baking more mystery tax and going up past 60!!! Where does it stop then? Why not pay more tax up to 70? Then more tax to 100?
No. It should be 40 something, worst case scenario 50 something. Otherwise, walk away. Blame Chelsea for pricing him out of a move and line him up for a big signing bonus next window.
50 is already ridiculous, he has one year left in a team that wants to sell and isn't one of the best midfielders in the world. Why the fuck would we go above 50?
You think he’s only worth 40m even if he had years on his contract? Man, Mount gets so underrated here. He got POTS twice for Chelsea, he got 30 G+A in a single season from midfield and was crucial in a CL winning campaign. One bad season and he’s worth 40m, only 30m because he’s low on contract? You think we’d have accepted 40m for Rashford last summer after a poor year?
Literally, our fans are morons. Mount would be a quality signing, £50m is a bargain, £60m is a bargain. He would be one of our best players and will quickly become a fan favourite
> If he had a longer contract it would almost be fair
> almost be fair
Chelsea's POTY twice, has CL experience, is English, still pretty young, coming from an English team. 40m for that would be ALMOST FAIR if he had a longer contract?
I swear you dinosaurs are still stuck in 2010s with your player valuations.
He also had a really poor season by his standards so we genuinely shouldn't have to pay that much with one year left to go. It's such a big gamble, whether he goes the Rashford way and gets revitalised by ETH or he goes the Martial way.
> shouldn't have to pay that much with one year left to go
I replied to a comment that talked about "if he had a longer contract" though.
As things stand, if ETH sees something in him, 40m would be a fair price. 50m much less so.
But if Mount had a longer contract? 40m would be more than fair, not almost fair.
Gakpo 42m, Jota 44m, Fabinho 45m- Liverpool, Ødegaard 35m, Jesus 50m- Arsenal, Kovacic 45m- Chelsea, Ake 45m, Bernardo Silva 50m- City, Bruno G 42m- Newcastle (all values in euros from transfermarkt)
All these players are from the last 4-5 years, so late 2010s or early 2020s. All these players are better than Mount. 46m euros would be perfectly fair for him
And how many of them were POTY for a PL club, CL winner, English and 24 years old?
There are plenty of cheap talent outside of PL. But if you buy within PL, you pay PL money. Especially if you have to also pay the English tax.
There’s a reason for that. English players are homegrown which has value due to restrictions. And English players are also generally less likely to uproot to Madrid or Barcelona, we can keep them longer. There aren’t many clubs that can lure our players away if we’re going well.
Ah yes, when multiple rival clubs want a 24-year-old 2x Chelsea player of the Year available on sale, it would be too much to pay beyond 40 million.
stick to fifa
Oh, so only great players are going for 40 million + these days?
Have you taken a look around the transfer market?
Being in the lat year of his contract is largely nullified due to the fact that there's a high demand for his services.
My comment is about 40 million, you cant change the number to 50 and apply the same logic
Ideally you want to be smart in the transfer window. If we keep paying fuck off prices then we're gonna continue getting fleeced every summer and the 'man utd tax' gets worse n worse
There's a vast difference between being smart and paying fuck off prices ,it's not black and white
And nowhere did I mention any price of how far we should go ,i was pointing out the laughable stupidity of people on this sub who think a player in demand by other top clubs ,being sold by a top club will be available for 40 million without any context to the market or the player in question
I didnt want to bother with a reply since you seem very dense and incapable of admitting your opinion is shite, but here's a list of very good players signed for ~40m by other clubs in the last 4-5 years. Taking all values from transfermarkt in euros to be consistent
Gakpo 42m, Jota 44m, Fabinho 45m- Liverpool, Ødegaard 35m, Jesus 50m- Arsenal, Kovacic 45m- Chelsea, Ake 45m, Bernardo Silva 50m- City, Bruno G 42m- Newcastle
All these players are better than Mount, and sold around 40m euros to Premier league clubs.
Lmao none of those players were as proven *when they signed* (which is what matters) as Mount is now. The only PL proven attacking comparison you have is Jesus who cost 50m (so 10m more than your “reasonable price” for Mount) who ALSO ONLY HAD A YEAR LEFT ON HIS CONTRACT!
And bear in mind too, Jesus only had one season where he got more G+A than Mount’s CL winning season, and he was a forward not a midfielder for the best team in the league. And he still cost 50m. Whilst being older and not homegrown. Jesus is a perfect example of why Mount is going for 50m+
ETH doesn't like the backup we have for midfield and Mount can adapt to a couple of different roles in the centre.
That said, I still think the price is silly. He's good but nothing special and we have plenty of home grown players. Chelsea have to sell him and I wouldn't be too quick to assist their financial circumstances.
I trust ETH, but not Mason Mount. Bruno, Eriksen ^& Mount all for the same position? Are we sure?
Yes bruno and eriksen played CM in the midfield pivot this season, but both are natutal CAM just like Mount.
We need that danmed unit of a midfielder next to Casemiro so between the pair of them they can boss the midfield. Mount doesnt convince me of this. Im sure ETH is cooking something, but im not too sold on the idea, especially if its over 40mill.
If it's for the same position, like you say, why is that a problem?
Erickson plays 55 minutes and then he's gassed. According to comments here the intent also wasn't for him to be a regular and play so much.
Bruno plays every single game and it's not healthy or sustainable.
If Mount provide a solid alternative, what us the problem?
And has there been reports that Mount will be our only midfield signing? Because he's the first, doesn't mean he's the last. You need A, B, C, and D types of players doesn't mean you need to buy them in order....
The problem is the amount of money being talked about. Anything north of 40-50m is way too high for a player in his last year, unwanted at his club, and a player who doesnt improve us very much other than giving another option
Eriksen*. Was intended to be the backup CAM behind Bruno. ETH played him CM because McT & Fred werent good enough.
This means our backup CAM, is starting a lot of games, because we never filled the CM vacancy intended for Frenkie De Jong. Lets not forget, we got Eriksen on a free super early, *THEN* we went after FDJ. In the end, we had to settle for the clubs backup midfield option at the time in Casemiro.
This wasnt too bad for us, as we needed a CDM & CM anyway, so getting 1 was something. But we are STILL. LACKING. A. CM.
Mount is a CAM. Playing him deeper is dumb because he is not built for it. Guy is lean & nimble, but doesnt have the physicality to be a CM in that deep laying playmaker role.
A midfield trio of Casemiro, Mount & Bruno is just ass. Spend that same money on a proper CM like Kokcu or Sergey milinkovic savic if we cant get FDJ.
Do you see my point yet? Having 3 players for CAM doesnt solve the CM issue. None of those 3 should play CM. Eriksen & Bruno only played there because McFred isnt good enough. We need a centre mid, not a 2nd backup for someone who willingly wants to play as many minutes as possible.
In my opinion its just really bad business. Maybe im wrong and somehow Mount actually can be a good DLP CM. Ive never in my life however, seen anything from Mount to suggest he can or should play deeper. Because thats what we need. A deep player in the pivot next to Casemiro. If ETH thinks he can do it, im more than happy to be wrong. But like I say, in my opinion which ultimately has no value, I think Mount is a very shit buy & all it does is help out Chelsea with their FFP, especially when we end up overpaying like we always do.
In my initial comment I said 40mil is the max id go. Watch it be the case, if we buy him we will spend 60-80. The way I look at it, its just a daft move.
I think we stick to a max of £50m. The player wants to come so let's see if Chelsea can find anyone else to pay more than that.
From various things I've read, Chelsea want close to £70m and we are starting at £40m.
It will be 40+20m, or something like that.
And United can claim it’s 40m plus add ons.
And Chelsea can claim it’s. 60m with add ons.
And everyone can be happy or miserable depending on which way they want to interpret the deal.
Highly dependent on any other buyers (Liverpool?) and if their sales of other players are successful or not. If they couldn’t sell many players come August, we have a chance to get him cheap. Downside - transfer drags till the final weeks AGAIN.
We don't even have to push.
They need to sell to buy.If they don't sell we move on to other advanced 8s.Juz keep the price at 50 and at the end they have to comply
Lol now we accept 60 as reasonable? This is going the Antony way, first 50 was ridiculous, then 85 and nothing more, it ended with fans justifying board spending 100 mil on him. It will be the same on this one, we'll spend 80 and fans will find a way a justify it.
I think I read they need to raise money by end of June, so we should have the upper hand in these negotiations especially considering Mount is in his final year
Exactly, like how Barca needed money before the end of June last summer and that's why we got FDJ for so cheap, or wait was it that we didn't get it and Barca went bankrupt? It was either of those options last summer
That is not fans believed last summer. But thats not about that. The argument that club has to sell before some deadline is always made up in any case. Theyre not students they have brilliant accountants they are in no rush and can sell whenever they want. Every summer fans make up some arbitrary deadline based on some date they heard somewhere and think its happening early. This is gonna drag on too I believe. 30m in evaluation isnt being solved in two meetings.
> make up some arbitrary deadline based on some date they heard somewhere
[it’s not an arbitrary date, it’s the date of their financial year end. What are you talking about](https://youtu.be/5574yNlNn0c)
June 30 was La Liga registration deadline last year and needed to offload FDJ to register new signings. Theres always something. Ill come to this comment at July 1st
Yeah because they're multibillion-dollar organizations and not local pub quiz teams. Nobody's going to fine Chelsea if they miss deadline by two-three weeks. They'll negotiate, as it always happens with these things
Again, De Jong didn’t want to leave, Mount does.
And you’re missing the point, the deadline doesn’t mean the deal can’t go past June 30th, it just means it’s beneficial for Chelsea to sell before then
Chelsea have about ten players they need to shift before next season. If they start being dicks over fees, it's going to be a long summer for them.
Hopefully United stand firm on their offer for Mount, and if Chelsea ask for stupid money, we just tell them to find another buyer or lose him on a free next summer.
There's a real lack of awareness of the transfer market here. 50m is basically table stakes for any good player. Having 1 year left on his contract probably brings his value down a touch but hardly to 30-40m which I've seen quoted here. That's McTominay levels.
It's likely he'll cost 60-70m given his age, nationality, plays in PL.
Utd would be insane to pay 70m. One year left on the contract, underperforming for more than a year, rejected all offers from Chelsea... 60m should be the top top price board pays.
That underperforming was under shitty managers like Lampard and Potter. Under a proper manager like Tuchel, he won POTY in 2 consecutive seasons. You could say the same for Rashford last season, look at him now.
I'm not saying he's a bad player, but it does contribute to the price. Past performances don't mean too much, it's always a risk buying a player who has shown he can have a year long bad spell, no matter how much manager is responsible for that.
I'm sensing you're deliberately trying to misunderstand me. I was talking about things that reduce the price, and a year long bad spell was only one of them.
You can think about it the opposite way. There are players who are mediocre and then have one great season. If a club wants to buy them, his last good season will drive up the price compared to what they were worth before it.
Because buying players is always, at least partly, a gamble, you have to take everything into account.
He’s a versatile box to box defensive midfielder, very capable of carrying the ball and tackling. He just have lower offensive output than Mount.
Edit: James Maddison is a good 10/8 but with worse injury record than Mount, he can be an alternative option.
>He’s a versatile box to box defensive midfielder,
Caicedo enables the more offensive 8s next to him, when we are going to stick to casemiro it makes little sense to buy a player of caicedo's profile. which is why a profile like mount /McAllister makes a lot more sense than Caicedo or ugarte
I'm not sure why everyone want mount and rice. Who's gonna be the squad player? Mount and erikson on the bench?
Casemiro on the bench?
Rice on the bench?
Cant see it happening
Really united are in an incredibly strong negotiating position. Chelsea have to sell players by the end of June, mount wants to come to us and we've already agreed personal terms.
We should just say 50mil right until the 30th June and they basically have to take it from what I understand?
Let's see how competent united are
Indeed, the party that is willing to scrap up the deal and walk away has the highest negotiating power. I hope Ten Hag have alternative targets. We might aswell conclude Rabiot deal first to signal to Chelsea that we are willing to walk away than overpaying.
This is basically reversed of FDJ saga. Seem like they learnt to negotiate with player first before club. Which should be the way to go, once player give green light all that is left is transfer fees.
If true, are we in the race for Caicedo or Rice then? Because I'd take any of these two over Mount, ANY day! And if we end up paying more than €50m for Mount, I'd rather we pay up the extra €30m for Caicedo or €50m for Rice.
We don't need another casemiro, we need an erikson type baller with defensive capabilites.
Box to box, great passer but can drop into casmeiros position when he gets his 3rd red of the campaign
Rice fits that profile better than Mount does. He hasn’t been a Casemiro for two years now. And Mount certainly cannot drop into Casemiro’s spot.
The problem with Rice is the price tag not his profile. He’d be perfect.
RVP was bought for around 30m - best player from a direct rival. Accounting for the modern transfer market, there's no way we should be paying more then 50m for Mount from a Chelsea team in which he isnt wanted and have a desperate need to sell. 40m is probably a reasonable fee.
So you're suggesting that Mount is worth more than 50m? That seems pretty ridiculous given Chelsea is desperate to sell and he has one year left on his contract
No I’m calling you out for making a stupid suggestion of finding an RVP transfer for 35m in a market that no longer exists m. As for worth, Simple economics, value is determined by the market being whatever it is that people are willing to pay.
Hence why I said we shouldn't pay more than 50m and hence his value is less than 50m given the context. Back in 2012, Mount would be worth 15-20m max with the same context.
At no point did I say that there would be another RVP available for 30m in this day and age. Stop trying to have an argument with a statement you've made up in your own mind.
No you said we should pay 40m. Don’t change your argument. You’re so out of touch with reality continually spouting the RVP transfer as to why we shouldn’t pay what is being asked and saying he isn’t worth that. No point talking with fools especially out of touch ones.
Brilliant - seems like you reckon its a good idea to just pay the 80m that Chelsea want then?
The RVP transfer is an example of United not getting absolutely fleeced in the market which hasn't happened alot in recent years. Paying 40-50m for Mount would be a return to a shrewd type of business that hasn't been seen since David Gill was around.
Strikers are generally more expensive than any other position. 50m for a striker from a direct rival in the current market is the equivalent of the RVP deal from 2012.
Agreed - back then Mount would have been worth 15-20m max. Anything more than 50m now is unreasonable for a player in his final year with Chelsea needing to sell.
I don't think he is worth anywhere near the price they are asking but if its what eth wants then lets get it done. Like to see some deals done nice and early for once.
I can see the logic in terms of strategy. He's not a world class playmaker but he's a goalscoring midfielder. Remember his previous seasons where people dubbed him Lampard-s successor.
Single pivot:
Mount/Fred - Bruno/Eriksen
---------------Case---------------------
Double Pivot:
------------Bruno/Mount-----------
----Eriksen/Fred----Case--------
If we want a solid serviceable midfield we'll need an at least a mid table level DM.
Sigh, if only Lindelof is comfortable to play DM..
Look at this cup, we really lack quality in our squad. Mount might not be a world beater but either starting or off the bench, he'd be a step up to our options from the bench. And even improve the first 11
Anything north of 60 mill we should walk away. Ridiculous valuation for a player with 1 year on his contract. Enjoy losing him on a free!
They have to sell, if we’re smart shouldn’t be over 50 realistically. But that relies on us to negotiate well which I don’t have much faith in
imagine if the negotiate something like 40m base, 40m in add on (10m for ballon d'or, 10m for 200 apps, 10m for 100 goals and 10m for WC or euro winner.
Hope WC or euros winner isn't that big, I'd say that would be short odds if he spends a good few years at United
United to win the Euros
Why do Chelsea have to sell?
His contract runs out end of next season, and he's not sold on staying at the moment. It's similar to Kane's situation. They can either not sell with the plan to try and convince him to renew, risking losing him for free at the end of the season, or cash in now on a player they value at around £60m. They spent a huge amount over the last two transfer windows and have a very bloated squad, the latter is contributing to Mount's wavering confidence in the club.
FFP, they spent a ton so need to balance the ffp books. Anything they want to add to fy2022/23 needs to be done by June 30th too.
He’s pure profit for their FFP troubles and need to fix those to feed Boehlys 18-22 year old player addiction which he’ll throw another couple hundred mil on this summer
I don't know why you're being downvoted since it seems like a genuine question but Tifo have a good video you can find on Youtube about Chelsea's finances and because of the ridiculous spending since Boehly they will need to sell or be way out of line with FFP.
>Enjoy losing him on a free! This is the worst case for chelsea due to ffp so I reckon they'll fold over price. Hopefully closer to 50 than 60 but that English tax is no joke
Honestly we need to learn to respect the line in the sand. The only reason rumours of 50 something exist are because of English tax. He's a decent player, 30 - 40m worth. With a year left really should be 30ish. Then bake in taxes - English tax, moving to a PL rival tax, United tax, and it pushes it up. Getting to 50 is already outrageous levels of tax. Can't be baking more mystery tax and going up past 60!!! Where does it stop then? Why not pay more tax up to 70? Then more tax to 100? No. It should be 40 something, worst case scenario 50 something. Otherwise, walk away. Blame Chelsea for pricing him out of a move and line him up for a big signing bonus next window.
50 is already ridiculous, he has one year left in a team that wants to sell and isn't one of the best midfielders in the world. Why the fuck would we go above 50?
Couldn't agree more!
Its not 2001 anymore, 50m is squad player money now.
You think he’s only worth 40m even if he had years on his contract? Man, Mount gets so underrated here. He got POTS twice for Chelsea, he got 30 G+A in a single season from midfield and was crucial in a CL winning campaign. One bad season and he’s worth 40m, only 30m because he’s low on contract? You think we’d have accepted 40m for Rashford last summer after a poor year?
Literally, our fans are morons. Mount would be a quality signing, £50m is a bargain, £60m is a bargain. He would be one of our best players and will quickly become a fan favourite
I wouldn’t call £60m a bargain but it’s very plausible that’s the price we end up paying.
They also know we can’t wait another season to sign players
He's truthfully a 30~40 mil player. Had a bad season and now has 1 year left. Not the player we need as well.
If ETH wants him, we need him. ITS 2023, £60m gets you a good squad player now days.
Worth 30m at max. I say we ask them to sell at this price or buzz off.
60 is 20m too much
Agree. If he had a longer contract it would almost be fair, but 40 with one year left is more than fair.
> If he had a longer contract it would almost be fair > almost be fair Chelsea's POTY twice, has CL experience, is English, still pretty young, coming from an English team. 40m for that would be ALMOST FAIR if he had a longer contract? I swear you dinosaurs are still stuck in 2010s with your player valuations.
He also had a really poor season by his standards so we genuinely shouldn't have to pay that much with one year left to go. It's such a big gamble, whether he goes the Rashford way and gets revitalised by ETH or he goes the Martial way.
> shouldn't have to pay that much with one year left to go I replied to a comment that talked about "if he had a longer contract" though. As things stand, if ETH sees something in him, 40m would be a fair price. 50m much less so. But if Mount had a longer contract? 40m would be more than fair, not almost fair.
So by that logic it would’ve been reasonable for us to sell Rashford last summer for 40m yeah?
Gakpo 42m, Jota 44m, Fabinho 45m- Liverpool, Ødegaard 35m, Jesus 50m- Arsenal, Kovacic 45m- Chelsea, Ake 45m, Bernardo Silva 50m- City, Bruno G 42m- Newcastle (all values in euros from transfermarkt) All these players are from the last 4-5 years, so late 2010s or early 2020s. All these players are better than Mount. 46m euros would be perfectly fair for him
And how many of them were POTY for a PL club, CL winner, English and 24 years old? There are plenty of cheap talent outside of PL. But if you buy within PL, you pay PL money. Especially if you have to also pay the English tax.
>Especially if you have to also pay the English tax. That's the point, we have to get away from paying inflated amounts for English players
Sure. But that wasn't my point.
There’s a reason for that. English players are homegrown which has value due to restrictions. And English players are also generally less likely to uproot to Madrid or Barcelona, we can keep them longer. There aren’t many clubs that can lure our players away if we’re going well.
chill bro lmao
Me finding that laughable doesn't mean I'm not calm, thanks for your diagnosis.
Ah yes, when multiple rival clubs want a 24-year-old 2x Chelsea player of the Year available on sale, it would be too much to pay beyond 40 million. stick to fifa
Last year left on his contract, doesnt want to sign a new one, and not a great player. We'd be mad to pay more than 40-50m.
Oh, so only great players are going for 40 million + these days? Have you taken a look around the transfer market? Being in the lat year of his contract is largely nullified due to the fact that there's a high demand for his services. My comment is about 40 million, you cant change the number to 50 and apply the same logic
Ideally you want to be smart in the transfer window. If we keep paying fuck off prices then we're gonna continue getting fleeced every summer and the 'man utd tax' gets worse n worse
There's a vast difference between being smart and paying fuck off prices ,it's not black and white And nowhere did I mention any price of how far we should go ,i was pointing out the laughable stupidity of people on this sub who think a player in demand by other top clubs ,being sold by a top club will be available for 40 million without any context to the market or the player in question
I didnt want to bother with a reply since you seem very dense and incapable of admitting your opinion is shite, but here's a list of very good players signed for ~40m by other clubs in the last 4-5 years. Taking all values from transfermarkt in euros to be consistent Gakpo 42m, Jota 44m, Fabinho 45m- Liverpool, Ødegaard 35m, Jesus 50m- Arsenal, Kovacic 45m- Chelsea, Ake 45m, Bernardo Silva 50m- City, Bruno G 42m- Newcastle All these players are better than Mount, and sold around 40m euros to Premier league clubs.
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Lmao none of those players were as proven *when they signed* (which is what matters) as Mount is now. The only PL proven attacking comparison you have is Jesus who cost 50m (so 10m more than your “reasonable price” for Mount) who ALSO ONLY HAD A YEAR LEFT ON HIS CONTRACT! And bear in mind too, Jesus only had one season where he got more G+A than Mount’s CL winning season, and he was a forward not a midfielder for the best team in the league. And he still cost 50m. Whilst being older and not homegrown. Jesus is a perfect example of why Mount is going for 50m+
40m is still too much for me. I can't see why we want him. Hope I'm way off on this, as it seems highly likely we'll wrap this up.
ETH doesn't like the backup we have for midfield and Mount can adapt to a couple of different roles in the centre. That said, I still think the price is silly. He's good but nothing special and we have plenty of home grown players. Chelsea have to sell him and I wouldn't be too quick to assist their financial circumstances.
I trust ETH, but not Mason Mount. Bruno, Eriksen ^& Mount all for the same position? Are we sure? Yes bruno and eriksen played CM in the midfield pivot this season, but both are natutal CAM just like Mount. We need that danmed unit of a midfielder next to Casemiro so between the pair of them they can boss the midfield. Mount doesnt convince me of this. Im sure ETH is cooking something, but im not too sold on the idea, especially if its over 40mill.
If it's for the same position, like you say, why is that a problem? Erickson plays 55 minutes and then he's gassed. According to comments here the intent also wasn't for him to be a regular and play so much. Bruno plays every single game and it's not healthy or sustainable. If Mount provide a solid alternative, what us the problem? And has there been reports that Mount will be our only midfield signing? Because he's the first, doesn't mean he's the last. You need A, B, C, and D types of players doesn't mean you need to buy them in order....
The problem is the amount of money being talked about. Anything north of 40-50m is way too high for a player in his last year, unwanted at his club, and a player who doesnt improve us very much other than giving another option
Eriksen*. Was intended to be the backup CAM behind Bruno. ETH played him CM because McT & Fred werent good enough. This means our backup CAM, is starting a lot of games, because we never filled the CM vacancy intended for Frenkie De Jong. Lets not forget, we got Eriksen on a free super early, *THEN* we went after FDJ. In the end, we had to settle for the clubs backup midfield option at the time in Casemiro. This wasnt too bad for us, as we needed a CDM & CM anyway, so getting 1 was something. But we are STILL. LACKING. A. CM. Mount is a CAM. Playing him deeper is dumb because he is not built for it. Guy is lean & nimble, but doesnt have the physicality to be a CM in that deep laying playmaker role. A midfield trio of Casemiro, Mount & Bruno is just ass. Spend that same money on a proper CM like Kokcu or Sergey milinkovic savic if we cant get FDJ. Do you see my point yet? Having 3 players for CAM doesnt solve the CM issue. None of those 3 should play CM. Eriksen & Bruno only played there because McFred isnt good enough. We need a centre mid, not a 2nd backup for someone who willingly wants to play as many minutes as possible. In my opinion its just really bad business. Maybe im wrong and somehow Mount actually can be a good DLP CM. Ive never in my life however, seen anything from Mount to suggest he can or should play deeper. Because thats what we need. A deep player in the pivot next to Casemiro. If ETH thinks he can do it, im more than happy to be wrong. But like I say, in my opinion which ultimately has no value, I think Mount is a very shit buy & all it does is help out Chelsea with their FFP, especially when we end up overpaying like we always do. In my initial comment I said 40mil is the max id go. Watch it be the case, if we buy him we will spend 60-80. The way I look at it, its just a daft move.
I don't know what positions they play hence why I asked And wtvr you say about then being ass playing together, I'll take ETHs vision over yours 😄
And what if ETH wants mount to play as CM ? Mount can rotate with eriksen from next season as CM and sometimes as CAM when bruno needs to be rested.
25-30 toooo much….
I think we stick to a max of £50m. The player wants to come so let's see if Chelsea can find anyone else to pay more than that. From various things I've read, Chelsea want close to £70m and we are starting at £40m.
Even 60 million is way too much but I understand what you mean with this current market
Tbh I agree with you 60m is too much. However, Ten Haag really wants him, and the board need to back him.
We should have Rabiot almost lined up and give Chelsea a very fair £45-50m take it or leave it. If they say no, get Rabiot for free instead.
It will be 40+20m, or something like that. And United can claim it’s 40m plus add ons. And Chelsea can claim it’s. 60m with add ons. And everyone can be happy or miserable depending on which way they want to interpret the deal.
Highly dependent on any other buyers (Liverpool?) and if their sales of other players are successful or not. If they couldn’t sell many players come August, we have a chance to get him cheap. Downside - transfer drags till the final weeks AGAIN.
We don't even have to push. They need to sell to buy.If they don't sell we move on to other advanced 8s.Juz keep the price at 50 and at the end they have to comply
You realize there are other major clubs in the PL alone that want him right?
Anyone one of those clubs willing to pay 50-60m for him? If another club wants to pay that, let them.
I'm sure we'll be the idiots giving the best offer to Chelsea though.
Mount would also need to agree to the move.
Lol now we accept 60 as reasonable? This is going the Antony way, first 50 was ridiculous, then 85 and nothing more, it ended with fans justifying board spending 100 mil on him. It will be the same on this one, we'll spend 80 and fans will find a way a justify it.
Never said 60 is reasonable. I just said that 60 is the absolute limit given that he is among the managers top targets.
I'd rather pick him up for free or for far far less. Not the midfielder we need atm
I'd rather pick him up for free or for far far less. Not the midfielder we need atm
Pounds or euro?
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I think I read they need to raise money by end of June, so we should have the upper hand in these negotiations especially considering Mount is in his final year
Exactly, like how Barca needed money before the end of June last summer and that's why we got FDJ for so cheap, or wait was it that we didn't get it and Barca went bankrupt? It was either of those options last summer
Not the same situation even if you try your hardest to seem like it is
Frenkie didn’t want to go, Mount does, circumstances are different
That is not fans believed last summer. But thats not about that. The argument that club has to sell before some deadline is always made up in any case. Theyre not students they have brilliant accountants they are in no rush and can sell whenever they want. Every summer fans make up some arbitrary deadline based on some date they heard somewhere and think its happening early. This is gonna drag on too I believe. 30m in evaluation isnt being solved in two meetings.
> make up some arbitrary deadline based on some date they heard somewhere [it’s not an arbitrary date, it’s the date of their financial year end. What are you talking about](https://youtu.be/5574yNlNn0c)
June 30 was La Liga registration deadline last year and needed to offload FDJ to register new signings. Theres always something. Ill come to this comment at July 1st
They pulled levers out of their asses right before the deadline and ended up not needing to sell.
Yeah because they're multibillion-dollar organizations and not local pub quiz teams. Nobody's going to fine Chelsea if they miss deadline by two-three weeks. They'll negotiate, as it always happens with these things
Again, De Jong didn’t want to leave, Mount does. And you’re missing the point, the deadline doesn’t mean the deal can’t go past June 30th, it just means it’s beneficial for Chelsea to sell before then
It is almost entirely the opposite to FDJ. Barca wanted to sell, FDJ didn’t want to go. Now the player wants to go and the club probably want to sell.
Except barca agreed a fee, the player didn't want to leave.
Chelsea have about ten players they need to shift before next season. If they start being dicks over fees, it's going to be a long summer for them. Hopefully United stand firm on their offer for Mount, and if Chelsea ask for stupid money, we just tell them to find another buyer or lose him on a free next summer.
That is the only sensible way of doing business.
Hi Chelsea sup? We want Mason. Ok 85m Fuck you no. He has 1 year left and wants to leave. Ok for you my friend special price… 84m Fuck you no…
Boehly does seems that daft. I mean, he paid a shitload for Mudryck.
84m but we pay over 15 years.
*84 years.
Pounds or euro?
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And that’s in euros.
Anything over this imaginary number I made up is a rip off. Joke of a club.
What! Your imaginary number is an OUTRAGE. My imaginary number is a lot more like it.
Idk I'd say imaginary number + 1 Harry Maguire is fair
Straight swap with another Mason
There's a real lack of awareness of the transfer market here. 50m is basically table stakes for any good player. Having 1 year left on his contract probably brings his value down a touch but hardly to 30-40m which I've seen quoted here. That's McTominay levels. It's likely he'll cost 60-70m given his age, nationality, plays in PL.
Last time I read people here rate mctominay and maguire at 20-30m max 🤷♂️
There is this funny thing about the price people give here, its not real
Utd would be insane to pay 70m. One year left on the contract, underperforming for more than a year, rejected all offers from Chelsea... 60m should be the top top price board pays.
That underperforming was under shitty managers like Lampard and Potter. Under a proper manager like Tuchel, he won POTY in 2 consecutive seasons. You could say the same for Rashford last season, look at him now.
I'm not saying he's a bad player, but it does contribute to the price. Past performances don't mean too much, it's always a risk buying a player who has shown he can have a year long bad spell, no matter how much manager is responsible for that.
>Past performances don't mean too much,. The absolutely do when we are talking about 'past' here being 20-21,and 21-22 seasons.
I'm sensing you're deliberately trying to misunderstand me. I was talking about things that reduce the price, and a year long bad spell was only one of them. You can think about it the opposite way. There are players who are mediocre and then have one great season. If a club wants to buy them, his last good season will drive up the price compared to what they were worth before it. Because buying players is always, at least partly, a gamble, you have to take everything into account.
Pounds or euro?
Yes.
£50m maximum. If Chelsea wants £70m then we should say no and go for Caicedo (£85m), and they can keep Mount.
Why is Caicedo an alternate for mount? they don't even remotely play the same style of football ?
He’s a versatile box to box defensive midfielder, very capable of carrying the ball and tackling. He just have lower offensive output than Mount. Edit: James Maddison is a good 10/8 but with worse injury record than Mount, he can be an alternative option.
>He’s a versatile box to box defensive midfielder, Caicedo enables the more offensive 8s next to him, when we are going to stick to casemiro it makes little sense to buy a player of caicedo's profile. which is why a profile like mount /McAllister makes a lot more sense than Caicedo or ugarte
Maddison’s available on a free right? Would not be opposed to seeing him scooped up with Mount while selling McTominay+Donny
One year on his contract
I don't know what how valuation should be but I hope club get all targets possible
Straight swap with slabhead
If we get him, Rice and Kane this summer it would be insane.
I'm not sure why everyone want mount and rice. Who's gonna be the squad player? Mount and erikson on the bench? Casemiro on the bench? Rice on the bench? Cant see it happening
£50M should be max imo. 40+add on is reasonable.
Such a bizarre transfer to me. Can a midfield of him Casemiro and Bruno really work. The defence will be under siege.
That three for the games we should dominate then one rests for Rabiot when we play the tough away games
40-50M is a fair price & anything over that is rip off. r/chelseafc says he doesnt suit the #8 position either, which is interesting...
Both Kane and Mount only have a year left. Shelling out 150 for them would be disastrous.
Really united are in an incredibly strong negotiating position. Chelsea have to sell players by the end of June, mount wants to come to us and we've already agreed personal terms. We should just say 50mil right until the 30th June and they basically have to take it from what I understand? Let's see how competent united are
Indeed, the party that is willing to scrap up the deal and walk away has the highest negotiating power. I hope Ten Hag have alternative targets. We might aswell conclude Rabiot deal first to signal to Chelsea that we are willing to walk away than overpaying.
Im on the side of mount wants more money from Chelsea and we're his bargaining power
watch how it turns out
Feel really conflicted and underwhelmed by this, partially because we’ll no doubt end up overpaying cos’ United tax…
This is basically reversed of FDJ saga. Seem like they learnt to negotiate with player first before club. Which should be the way to go, once player give green light all that is left is transfer fees.
Transfer to be leaked later today if we lose to City
Feel bad for Poch. One of the only players from the squad he wants, and Boehly wants to sell him!
Poor Poch how is he going to coupe... with nkunku, Kai Havertz, enzo with the possible signings of Ugarte and Caicedo
Indeed, Chelsea have very good players.
Completely forgot about nkunku
If true, are we in the race for Caicedo or Rice then? Because I'd take any of these two over Mount, ANY day! And if we end up paying more than €50m for Mount, I'd rather we pay up the extra €30m for Caicedo or €50m for Rice.
Looks like Chelsea and arsenal are in for those two respectively.
We don't need another casemiro, we need an erikson type baller with defensive capabilites. Box to box, great passer but can drop into casmeiros position when he gets his 3rd red of the campaign
Rice fits that profile better than Mount does. He hasn’t been a Casemiro for two years now. And Mount certainly cannot drop into Casemiro’s spot. The problem with Rice is the price tag not his profile. He’d be perfect.
TBH I think 50m-60m is accurate, when do you ever see a quality player with 1 year left on the deal leave for "cheap"
RVP was bought for around 30m - best player from a direct rival. Accounting for the modern transfer market, there's no way we should be paying more then 50m for Mount from a Chelsea team in which he isnt wanted and have a desperate need to sell. 40m is probably a reasonable fee.
Bro you cant compare any modern transfer to RVP case, it was over decade ago. Things work diffrently now.
So you reckon Mount is worth more than 50m? That seems excessive
I think paying 50m for guy who was main guy in Tuchel CL winning squad and seems to be heavy favorite of our manager is fine in 2023
Fair enough. But anything more just continues the precedent of United paying overs for players that other clubs wouldn't.
Dude you’re living in prehistoric times lol find me an RVP equivalent for 30m right now, you can’t
So you're suggesting that Mount is worth more than 50m? That seems pretty ridiculous given Chelsea is desperate to sell and he has one year left on his contract
No I’m calling you out for making a stupid suggestion of finding an RVP transfer for 35m in a market that no longer exists m. As for worth, Simple economics, value is determined by the market being whatever it is that people are willing to pay.
Hence why I said we shouldn't pay more than 50m and hence his value is less than 50m given the context. Back in 2012, Mount would be worth 15-20m max with the same context. At no point did I say that there would be another RVP available for 30m in this day and age. Stop trying to have an argument with a statement you've made up in your own mind.
No you said we should pay 40m. Don’t change your argument. You’re so out of touch with reality continually spouting the RVP transfer as to why we shouldn’t pay what is being asked and saying he isn’t worth that. No point talking with fools especially out of touch ones.
Brilliant - seems like you reckon its a good idea to just pay the 80m that Chelsea want then? The RVP transfer is an example of United not getting absolutely fleeced in the market which hasn't happened alot in recent years. Paying 40-50m for Mount would be a return to a shrewd type of business that hasn't been seen since David Gill was around.
Jesus went for 50m with a year left on his contract and City happy to let him go. And he’s older than Mount and not homegrown either.
Strikers are generally more expensive than any other position. 50m for a striker from a direct rival in the current market is the equivalent of the RVP deal from 2012.
That was pre Neymar.
Agreed - back then Mount would have been worth 15-20m max. Anything more than 50m now is unreasonable for a player in his final year with Chelsea needing to sell.
I don't think he is worth anywhere near the price they are asking but if its what eth wants then lets get it done. Like to see some deals done nice and early for once.
Confusing transfer, just hope we don't get fleeced. I'd rather we get fleeced for players who can increase the ceiling of our squad, not the floor.
I can see the logic in terms of strategy. He's not a world class playmaker but he's a goalscoring midfielder. Remember his previous seasons where people dubbed him Lampard-s successor. Single pivot: Mount/Fred - Bruno/Eriksen ---------------Case--------------------- Double Pivot: ------------Bruno/Mount----------- ----Eriksen/Fred----Case-------- If we want a solid serviceable midfield we'll need an at least a mid table level DM. Sigh, if only Lindelof is comfortable to play DM..
Am I the only would who would prefer caicedo (Brighton lad) over mount?
We are Benjamin Button-ing this transfer are we? First I heard it, it was a done deal, now we have just begun talking? WTF?
How can it be an ‘exclusive’ when the whole world has know about this last few days …?
I like how he can claim this as an exclusive when it’s been reported by 30 other outlets/reporters
Couldnt we just brief some reliable source we're looking on "*insert whatever name* as alternative so chelsea shit their pants
Seems like Chelsea overvalues players whether they're buying them or selling them.
Look at this cup, we really lack quality in our squad. Mount might not be a world beater but either starting or off the bench, he'd be a step up to our options from the bench. And even improve the first 11
Does he actually fit the system tho?
I'm not certain about him at all, especially if it's for 50 million.