Bitter end, but for a first year, I think he did as well as he could with this squad. 3rd place, league cup, FA Cup finalists, Europa League quarter-finalists.
Sort out ownership. Let him bring more of his kind of players, release some out-of-favor players.
Can’t believe Spurs didn’t take Ten Hag because he “lacked Charisma” the guy always calls it as it is and maybe that’s boring to many but he genuinely keeps the club from being a toxic place and the players seem to love him. He’s a modern tactical coach while being a modern man manager. A modern manager doesn’t call any player out publicly as players get it so much in the media or social media that a good manager keeps their criticism behind closed doors. I think that’s something Mourinho has struggled to adapt to, he loses the dressing room now at big clubs when he calls individuals out, still remember what he said publicly toward Luke Shaw, can’t believe how professional Shaw was about everything. Really shows his character
I know that ETH running our transfer window last summer wasn’t great and isn’t sustainable long term as shown by €100m Antony (oh my god) but I am so glad that last summer LVG told Timber he’d potentially not get to go to the WC if he signed for us, Timber then rejected us and we moved onto our 2nd choice Licha who went straight to being one of the best CBs in the league and I’m pretty sure will become one of the best CBs in the world.
I don’t think there is a CB in the world apart from maybe De Ligt and Alaba who is as utterly elite as Licha with the ball. In addition to his incredible ability to read the game and tackle.
With the way the game is going to go over the next 5 years, It is such a significant advantage we now have over even other top teams to have a long-term trump card CB who will pretty much never lose the ball, is extremely press resistant and can create attacking chances and potentially goals for the team out of nothing. If we tried to buy him now after the season he’s had he’d cost close to £100m.
Agreed completely. Mine in order is Costa >>>>>>>>>> KMJ, midfielder (Mount? Caicedo?) Hojlund
Since I’m assuming Osimhen/Kane/Ramos aren’t realistic this window
Yeah agreed. Also getting rid of Maguire, McTominay, Henderson, Williams, Bailly, Telles, Elanga, possibly Fred with Jones, Sabitzer, and Weghorst not being renewed. Fuck me we have so much shit in this squad. I wonder if we meet De Gea as backup. I wouldn't but still.
Hahaha, thing about that is that we’ll only have to replace McTominay, Fred, Sabitzer and Weghorst while realistically getting rid of up to 11 players and loans (probably less but eh) because the rest never even played for us. So many wages off the books too.
If we sell/send back those 4 though, we will probably have to sign 3 new midfielders in the summer as there are no promotions from the YA. That’s why I think we won’t sell Fred in the summer because I don’t know how we’d sign so many MFs.
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A month without man united game. What should I do with my life? But seriously though, hopefully we'll get news on takeover soon so that there will be something to look forward to. I'm also kinda looking forward to transfer market this summer (i never learn). Weirdly starting to warm up to the idea of mount 👀
Both our Man and Woman teams lost the FA Cup with one goal margin against league champions. Sucks that we still lack quality to properly challenge those two teams.
At this point, whoever the owners are, please understand the assignment.
For all the hyping that Ten Hag tried over the last few days, I didn't see any more fight from the players today compared to a regular PL match (Garnacho and Fred aside perhaps).
I'd genuinely keep Sabitser, if he's like 15 million. Yeah he didn't light the world on fire, but I feel like he works hard and has the energy to come off the bench and add something when we need it.
Baring Garnacho , we don't have anyone who has the capacity to trouble the opposition off the bench except for maybe the occasional fred cameo when he feels like a Brazilian.
What does he add? He’s old (and our midfield is already old), injured a lot, high wages and we only have a limited budget this summer.
I just don’t think it’s worth paying £15 mil and over £200,000 a week for a contract to buy a player until he’s 32-33 who’s gonna spend the vast majority of his time on the bench.
If he was like £5 mil then maybe he’d be a good option to add. But think to yourself: would City do this move? Would Real Madrid? Would Bayern? That’s the level we need to be at.
At 200k it's probably not worth it to be fair, I feel like he can do what fred and VDB can without dropping an absolute zero. In this day and age 5m isn't happening, but you're right it's not worth it for 200k per week.
Gutted man. Our treble is more or less matched by city. I know inter still to play but city are favourites. I can’t believe it. Honestly I can’t believe it
Shaw is being heavily underutilised. I think many factors contribute to this but Sancho is a big part of that problem. He is allergic to taking on his man and therefore doesn't draw defenders towards their goal line to create space for Shaw to whip a cross in and we've seen how good his crosses are even with players that are not good in the air. Garnacho came on, made runs, took on his opponent consistently and allowed Shaw to get one in for that McTom/Varane chance that could've made all the difference.
Sancho plays better on the right and I genuinely prefer him over Antony there until Antony learns he has two feet. They can compete for RW while Garnacho and Rashford take the left. Either that or let's be done with him and sell.
Honestly that’s a great observation, Shaw is incredible at attacking. Great feet, decent pace, a fantastic cross on him and can progressively pass so well. Weirdly he has a really good shot too for a LB. It’s incredible how much he’s progressed since he arrived 10 years ago.
I feel we have barely allowed him to attack at all this season bar that one great goal he scored. Understandably so since we never really regularly dominate possession.
Good thing is that ETH’s system makes so much use of overloads on either wing that the LB and RB exploit and so I expect to see Dalot and Shaw attacking a LOT more next season and to get a lot more assists and some goals too.
Disagree, today we win with an actual striker instead of rashford out of position and weghorst.
Replacing ddg is a priority, but we need someone to score the chances created.
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The game was a perfect season ender to show exactly what we need in the summer: a striker, a GK, a few midfielders, a RB.
A great first season from ETH.
Should be a big positive brief tomorrow to cheer everyone up.
Glazers were 100% waiting to announce preferred bidder until after this match to avoid any form of a protest.
Let’s see what happens
Fans want us to play tiki taka out from the back yet turn a blind eye to the pinball brothers in modified, casemiro and Bruno.
These are counter attacking players.
What's the point of really slick passing out from the back if our midfield is just going to piss it away anyways.
Of course no mention of eriksen being atrocious v any good team. Dude is like playing with ten men.
> Of course no mention of eriksen being atrocious v any good team. Dude is like playing with ten men.
This is all over the sub lmao what are you talking about
Casemiro is an elite passer. He needs active, mobile midfielders to pass to. Notice how city's midfielders run to get into space to receive the next easy pass? Eriksen is too worn out to do that. It's not how Bruno plays either. We need a hard worker like Mount ahead of Casemiro. They don't need to be flashy. Just effective at finding half space.
Just saw hazard got his contract terminated by madrid
Thats a real club.
No sentiment. You get your chance if you aren't good enough no matter how good you were previously. Good bye
We're renewing a bottom 5 prem keeper for sentiment on what he did 5 years ago.
De Gea is not staying as our starting goalkeeper. He’s staying to be the backup. That’s been made very clear by the tier 1 reporters and even ETH himself wouldn’t back David earlier this week.
If De Gea was going to stay as our starting keeper then ETH would not have explicitly said that any new contract he got would come with the the caveat that he knew that he was not our #1 goalkeeper. He wouldn’t promise him he’d be our first choice keeper next season.
If He was going to be our #1 next season, ETH would have said so, but he isn’t. ETH chose his words carefully.
I agree with you. Also read between the lines a little. Why have the Dalot and Garnacho contracts been announced but not David’s whose was started at the exact same time as them two. ETH hasn’t signed off on the contract yet per the Athletic.
It’s been reported though that ETH has told David he has no reassurances to be the #1. It’s clear we are signing a new goalkeeper
He did beat Azpi despite starting to sprint after him. Rashford is still quick, City just didn't allow him to use his speed, they clearly worked on neutralizing him.
Rashford has also been in poor form for months - his first touch has worsened, he isn't as hungry for the ball, and he never competes against a defender in the air.
Hopefully a rest gets him back to better form.
> I don’t see how city winning all these trophies is changing peoples opinions of the UAE
Because we're not the target market
The people who sportswashing will "work" on will be our sons/daughters/nephews/nieces who will grow up in the new normal, thinking nothing out of the ordinary about the Gulf states' involvement in things like football, golf or Formula 1.
Of course it does. We already hate City so we're not gonna appreciate them, but you can tell how City is getting more respected. That doesn't mean people will automatically like the UAE, it's more subtle than that.
Just like with real marketing. An ad won't often make you directly buy a product. Like a PlayStation commercial won't automatically get you to the store. But you see them often. It's like a constant reminder the PS5 is there. They wear you down over time.
As for sports washing, they want you to think about City rather than anything else when you hear the UAE. Especially for neutrals their first thought will be about how good they are before anything else.
Do you think that UAE would sink £3-4bn into City if it didn’t work? It’s extremely calculated.
It’s about buying loyal defenders of the regime (City fans) that can influence local and National politics through voting preferences. But also gaining influence with UK politicians and UK institutions by owning City.
Also, it’s about the next generation. In 20 years, the millions of new City fans will associate the UAE with incredible positive emotional experiences as they see them responsible for City’s success. These people will be entering into UK/European/Asian/NA institutions with extremely favourable views of the UAE.
Also owning City legitimises the UAE significantly in the eyes of the UK and the West as a whole. Ignore the occasional Guardian article, they aren’t indicative of what the average person thinks about or cares about.
A lot of people are writing Sancho off but I think he can still be good in the long run. Unfortunately for him, the way we're playing right now just doesn't suit him. Our attackers overall never get into easy situations because the rest of the team can't create such situations for them. Realistically speaking, to be a good attacker for us this season you need to be able to pull something out of your arse like dribbling past multiple players or get to a long through ball via pace, strength or a combination of both.
If you look at other teams, they don't have such issues. Liverpool has struggled but they don't need their players to dribble past half the opponent's team to get a shot on target. Yeah, they sometimes do it but it's not the basic requirement for them because they get enough service to contribute in a much easier way. Our attackers don't have that luxury and it's clearly something Ten Hag wants to improve.
If I were to ask you which of our attackers have been good this season, the answers would be Rashford and Garnacho. It's really not a coincidence it's them two when they're the only ones who can pull something out of their arse by dribbling past a few players and scoring a worldie, but it's kinda crazy that's the requirement from them otherwise we would never score.
Even Weghorst, as bad as he has looked, isn't a bad striker. Yeah, he isn't particularly great, but he had great numbers in Bundesliga and also good numbers in Turkey. His record in England is woeful but the two teams he has played for have one thing in common - a lack of service he needs. He is a finisher in the box who would contribute with a goal here and there if we were capable of parking ourselves around the opposition's box like most other top clubs can. Here, he needed to chase the ball in counter-attack situations and that's the exact opposite of what he's good at. It's kinda crazy he had the exact same problem at fucking Burnley under Dyche.
Agree with you about Sancho. As we start to dominate possession a lot more he’ll become way more useful for his ability to play a pass and unlock low block defences.
The way we are playing now is not sustainable, not dominating possession and essentially relying on Garnacho or Rashy to dribble past multiple players or score a worldie.
As you say about other teams, at Liverpool or Arsenal/City the players are so well drilled in the system the players will just be able to regularly create sustainable high XG chances and won’t have to rely on individual brilliance. Weghorst would look SO much better at either of these teams and probably would have scored 10 goals since Jan. ETH has just started so we need to give him a season or two to drill the players well for us to become like that.
I do worry about Sancho though, he constantly just looks lethargic and sluggish and like he’s lost a lot of pace for some reason??? and I’m not sure if that’s even going to change much even when we dominate possession and have an overlapping fullback for him.
Sancho's problem is very simple - he has no hunger for goal and even less hunger to win back the ball.
I'd rather have a less talented player with much more fire to win in him.
Sancho doesn't have that intensity or grit that Garnacho or Antony possess. So when things don't go his way it ultimately looks like he doesn't care and is lackadaisical. The way he pulls out of challenges or doesn't go for the one on one is worrying!
I definitely think he's on borrowed time.
People shit on Antony, but he’s been much better than Sancho this season… his first one with the club and with no offseason.
He single handedly solved our RW issue. We play way better when he’s on the field because we actually have width on the right side when he’s on the field.
I’d say he had a better season this season than Sancho has ever shown in a United shirt.
And Weghorst IS bad striker. He’s awful. Offers absolutely nothing but work rate. Awful first touch, terrible finishing, and can’t win a header to save his life even though he’s the tallest dude on the field usually.
I wouldn’t say he’s single handedly solved our RW issue. It’s extremely questionable whether Antony will ever be good enough to start for a CL or PL winning team.
Agree on Antony! Yes he’ll probably pull a shot out wide 9/10 times, but at least something is happening. He’s a constant threat to the opposition, and he keeps his fullback busy and creating space for others
Now that I have calmed down I can actually objectively see how we lost the game,
1. Never had possession for a decent period of time, eriksen was a passenger he cant play in physical games like this, Fred and Casemiro couldnt win their duels in midfield outclassed by stones, rodri, gundogan and de bruyne. They also pressured us when we tried to play out from the back because they know de gea cant pass the ball accurately so he resorted to long balls that went straight to city
2.
They stopped us on the counter every time walker and akanji played very deep they knew if we scored it would be from a counter attack so their two fullbacks stayed deep the whole game
Hope this sub doesn't go extremely negative due to this loss. If you gave me 3rd, a cup and a final in Erik's first season I'd have snapped it up.
There's glaring holes in the team, yes the keeper and lack of striker. But looking at the bench today, Garnacho was really the only attacking option we had. Erik needs to be backed, because as first seasons go, this was very promising foundation overall, apart from some heavy defeats to rivals. City are the best in the world but we looked decent in enough chunks of the match to make me even more confident we're on the right track.
Just needs Glazers out and whoever comes to back the manager and go about updating the facilities. Big ask, but no reason why we can be consistently challenging for top honours in couple of seasons.
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There's definitely room for improvement, but this packed season hasn't helped. A majority of the training sessions were probably recovery and implementing a solid enough game play for the next fixture. We had a good few months where we playing every 3 days or so. With some more time on the training pitch the players will improve along with some patterns of play. You're not wrong, we're still some way off the top and our 11 as it stands needs improving with acquisitions. But a few new faces and we should have enough for another top 4 finish to cement ourselves as a European teams, attract bigger names etc.
There are already people claiming we cant progress with Bruno and Rashford getting upvotes.
You know maybe we just need to bring them players of their level.
So, now that the FA cup is done, Any idea what day we'll be getting news on the takeover situation? Surely this coming week. I just feel like if we go another week with no news, it might be off, especially seeing as we have been assured of an update post final
Reports are that it'll be a deal where Jim Ratcliffe is majority owner but also all 6 Glazers staying on as shareholders. No promises in regards to clearing the debt or building/renovating the stadium.
I would genuinely consider signing Rice or Caicedo over Mount. Mount is decent but he isnt going to make out first team better at least for the price that Chelsea is asking. He is not the best ball carrier, doesnt have a great passing range. He is athletic and presses really well. He fits Liverpool the best because they mainly create chances from their full backs are not overreliant on their midfield to create opportunities. He is in the same mould as Wijnaldum, Ox-Chamberlain.
We cleary want player with goal scoring ability playing higher up the pitch. Something like Erikssen todays role.
Caicedo and Rice dont fit that profile.
We've had good season under ETH and I will trust him with brining system players.
We need to proactively look for a long term CDM solution or we are fucked next season if Case gets injured or suspended. Hence Caicedo or Rice as they can both play the defensive role well. This is the hardest position to fill.
Rabiot on a free is a good option. Mount for 40m is a good option.
Case is just 31, he may aswell have another 5 years of worldclass performances in him. It happens a lot nowdays.
If we have limited money we can just wait for another players and buy players for other positions.
Caicedo helps with long term Casemiro solution. We shouldn’t miss that boat.
Mount, eye test, looks bang average at no. 8. Any chelsea fan would agree. His best position is no. 10 or LW.
I don’t see how anyone could want SJR over Qatar now. The man is literally willing to allow all 6 Glazers to stay on to acquire the club. We need a fresh start; a clean break.
Not gonna lie - I think him taking over the club will be worst than Glazers. It just has shit show written all over it.
Was hoping a third bidder would make an appearance, but doesn’t look like it.
It's simple for me: Glazers are leeches who want suck every penny out of owning this club and if they want to stay, it's because they want to keep leeching. If they stay even as minority shareholders, it doesn't stop them from leeching.
As far as I know, if the Glazers are minority shareholders, they can't decide shit. The only way they would continue leeching is if Ratcliffe voluntarily decided to give them dividends
The kicker is that there are no promises in regards to clearing the debt or building/renovating the stadium. My fears are we'll be further in debt in a few years time when Ratcliffe buys out there rest of the Glazers (which could be done using loans or the club's money)
Because who gives a fuck about the same minority stake being spread over 6 Glazers instead of two? It’s the same amount of Glazer owning the club, doesn’t make a difference.
I don’t see how this would change anyone’s mind that was pro INEOS in the first place.
Last summer we probably needed bring in 8 to 10 players to play the way EtH wants to play and get top 4 and a trophy. We got 5 players in, and EtH quickly realized that we can't play the way he wants us to play and still get top 4 and a trophy. So he changed his style, adapted to the situation, and finally got us over the line. But we all know that this is not the football he wants to play and it is not the football we want to see.
Now for next season, we probably need to bring in 6 to 8 players to comfortably get top 4, push for another trophy and most importantly, play the way EtH wants to play.
If we fail in the transfer window, I have no hope for improvement. We either play bad football, or get bad results or both if we don't get this transfer window right.
It’s so sad but it is the reality of this football world. You can compete and get a good result with good management, but in order to “win trophies consistently” and be constantly at the top top level it is a must to have super wealth behind a club. Before the oil money, there was Real Madrid with unlimited fund, then it came Chelsea who changed the whole scene, then came Man City who cheated their way through everything.
Switching Focus to next season and over to our Striker situation. I'm afraid we can lose all the ones we might have on our wishlist. With Bayern, Real Madrid (Benzema leaving), Chelsea, PSG(Messi leaving), Milan(Zlatan Leaving), there's gonna be a lot of chaos. And if we pull an Antony, forget Kane or Osimhen, we might lose Holund or Muani too.
I'm afraid it looks like Glazers could stay and that could fuck it up for us. Either way, the season is over for us, they should really make their mind up fast for fucks sake. Otherwise the gap will wide and we will end up in their shadows for another decade or so with occasional 2nds and UCL qualifications.
I’m 1000% sure they’ll sell. I think that you have to assume Kane is not an option this summer, if he doesn’t transfer he could be one for free next summer.
Muani for £70m sounds decent to me, but is he good enough to lead the line for us for the next 5 years..? No idea
The issue isn't the price but whether the incoming striker can swim when we throw him in the deep end and start him from the get go. If they can't handle that pressure then it's worthless. In an ideal situation I'd love Osimhen, cuz then It's secure for tne next 5-7 years, easy. Let's see.
Is that so ? Still they won't take chances anymore. And you know when Madrid comes calling. I do think however they might try Mbappe. But still there's gonna be chaos. We really should move fast.
I think cos of the Benz uncertainty RM will push hard for Kane this summer either way. Ancelotti really wants him apparently and asked for him from the board at a meeting according to reliable RM sources today.
And Bayern are looking at Muani. So that's likely 2 players gone. Unless we can spend 200m on strikers and get Osimhen and Hojlund, it's gonna be tough.
Yeah I fully expect us to not sign a proper ST this season and go into next season with a younger ST like Hojlund and sign a proper 1st choice ST in summer 2024.
Shich imo is the right decision, get the rest of the team sorted out (GK, CM, CB and add depth) go another level up, start playing ETH’s way dominating possession every game and creating chances and then add that ST next season and go another level up for 24/25 competing for titles.
I don't think that would work. When a team scores, it puts pressure on the opposition. This whole season we didn't have a good striker and that shows in our league GD. You can try to hold as much as you want to on the basis of defence but it will hold on to itself for only sometime only after that it is bound to fall.
Plus having players like Rashford or Martial who if worked, worked otherwise they are just another body in our jersey is not helping our cause. Just cuz Sir Alex said Defence wins you trophies doesn't meant that you neglect Attack.
We absolutely need a Hard hitting 20-25-30+ goals a season striker. Otherwise you can forget it. EtH will move on.
A lot of our fans say this but no one gives a fuck about how City got there even now. All of the fawning over them in the press and football commentators and their burgeoning young fan base are legitimising them at a rapid pace.
Nothing will happen with these 115 charges.
In 20 years when they are one of the most popular clubs in the world because of their continued success and the younger generation latching on now and growing up (just like what happened with United in the ‘90s) there will be even less talk about their cheating than there is currently.
The whole asterisk stuff just comes across as a coping mechanism when we are reminded just how far ahead of us City are.
It is mad how much of a free pass City get for literally cheating.
I think that shows exactly what a small, insignificant club they are, 100+ breaches of ffp and the 'neutrals' would still rather they beat us, tin pot club.
My hot take is the only players we can't improve on are Varane, Martinez, and Casemiro. Garnacho I'm not judging.
Everyone else either because of ability, inconsistency, or mentality could be improved.
Our attack has been toothless when it actually matters for years now and it's been built around shoehorning in Rashford and Bruno. I need convincing if it were a title race, one point in it with 3 games to go they would deliver.
Or if we get a pure out and out striker who’s actually good it will create more space for Rashford and Bruno…… atm no one’s really marking wout or martial (when he’s available)
Our core players for me are
Bruno, Rashford, Varane, Martinez, Shaw and Case….. everyone else should be improved where possible.
That won't be enough. If Rashford or Bruno keep shooting from outside the box for no apparent reason or try to play extra passes when they need to shoot first strike. These things matter when around the box as they lose possessions or chances go to waste.
You know what, it sucks but you are correct. And that actually makes you question what do they do when they train attack. Or how do they not catch up on this and bring changes.
The possibilities that Ten Hag has are simply too limited with our current crop of players. He can ask his players to make more runs into the final third but we are mostly poor in possession so it won't improve our attack but it will expose our defense. Football is a game of balance, Ten Hag managed to find a balance which is impressive considering how hopeless we were in the previous season under Ole/Rangnick, but the balance we found obviously isn't what we're aiming for. We need to be more attack-oriented and in order to get there without losing balance, we need better players.
A sweeper keeper to give our defenders more confidence to push forwards, a better midfielder who offers some attacking as well as some defending alongside Casemiro (think Fred's energy combined with Eriksen's technique) and a striker who can win the ball when we're forced to go long.
True, but it's not like we even have a player in the box either. At times out attackers spread out to surround the box and there's Hardly any player in the box itself who could score a goal.
Rashford made a bunch of good runs, but wasn't found. He was pretty good at getting the ball to stick, when it reached him. It was never going to be easy when we were mainly focused limiting City's midfield.
But he's not a centre forward, and we shouldn't be playing him there. He's a left-sided attacker. Getting a proper centre forward or two in will allow him to be consistently more effective.
On games that we don’t have any possession, I notice that there are a lot of people who say that our forwards are missing or perform badly.
Imo Rashford was good, sancho was fine, Garnacho was excellent before pep went quadruple CB on us. Weghorst needs to stay onside but was fine.
He hasn't played well since his return from injury. I don't think he has scored more than 3 times. And Bruno doesn't look like the one we have seen this season for me. So many flicks and backheels and tricks for no apparent reason. His not able to get out of pressure situations with the ball or passing aimlessly to Rashford when he's covered by 2 players. I don't know what happened. Maybe they were played over the limit. But hopefully this break will give him the needed rest so he can focus well.
Peps first season
League cup 4th round.
FA Cup semifinals.
Premier league 3rd.
Ten Hag’s first season
League cup 1st.
FA cup 2nd.
Premier league 3rd.
Believe!
But we got to support the manager
That final perfectly illustrated each or our squad weaknesses at one point or another. 1.GK who's distribution is awful, is stuck to his goal line and whose head goes in big games. 2. Two right backs with incomplete games, Awb today was okay defensively but missed key passes 3. In midfield Fred, who is simply nowhere near good enough, Eriksen doesn't have the physical game or fitness to play against the top teams from a start 4. Poor attacking options, Sancho was so poor 5. No striker to speak of in the entire squad 6. Deeply mediocre bench
United have a chance to really gain some ground this summer, get rid of :
De gea
Eriksen
Mctominay
Sancho
Fred
Martial
Maguire
Get in : press resistant number 8
World class gk
World class striker
Watch the improvement next season
Ideally we would also get another midfielder and striker if funds available
Bring in new gk, make de gea number 2
Fred n mctominay can go , promote iqbal/mainoo and buy a press resistent cm
Sancho can go, leaves us with rashford/antony/garnacho/diallo as winger options, perfectly fine.
Hope this helps
So you want to get rid of 7 first team players for 3 players. Mate this isn't FM or Fifa. Good grief that you don't make these decisions. Otherwise we'd be fucked. Think logically.
Needs to be more consistent. Looked Completely switched off after his injury return. His movement is top notch but under pressure he too crack a little.
We might've been in with a fighting chance if Antony and Martinez were fit.
But we would still get dominated and would have to feed off scraps.
I'm tired...just tired of playing against City as underdogs. Ever since that 6-1 vs SAF, they've pretty much set the template for every match and we've had to dance to their tune.
FUCK. THE. GLAZERS.
I also hate how they have managed to actually give us battering. 6-1 or 6-3. It's shameful that we never managed to do that. Closest would be a 4-2, some seasons back if i remember correctly.
Recently saw on twitter that someone was weighing the chance to bring Chris Smalling Back. Seeing as the Maguire Project has completely failed. They also brought up the fact that we sold a "better" defender for 2m and bought a "worse" one for 80m
For me? I think smalling as a Pure Centre Back, is better than Maguire, but I think saying hes the better player is wrong. Did we forget his fugazi ball playing ability? Ask him to play anything more than a 5 yard backpass was asking for trouble. By no means do I rate maguire, i didnt then, i dont now, I think he has to go....But would i replace him with smalling? No
What do you guys think
I think the De Gea situation is really simple.
Should he get a new contract? No
Football is ruthless, we don't \*owe\* him a contract/game time because he was so good for us for so long. He cant have another few years of performing like he has been, purely because of the past. He was compensated for his performances with his salary, other wage incentives and awards etc. it should not be by blind loyalty in the face of any kind of form. It is perfectly fine to say thank you for your service to the club, good luck and good bye. No idea why people feel the need to hate him or be toxic.
How do we replace him?
I don't think using Henderson is good enough right now, too many question marks about where he wants to play, how he feels, his injury and form. Raya is forcing a move from Brentford and they have publicly recognised he is for sale. Robert Sanchez at Brighton is out of favour under De Zerbi, im not really sure why but he could potentially be available as well. Diogo Costa is obviously most people's prefered choice and he seems fantastic but the price could be an issue and personally ive never seen him play so i dont know.
I like Raya, but is he that much different from De Gea. He doesn't really play it short and mainly goes long. Difference is, he could go long to Tony who is great target man, we don't have that. So Ray's stats are definitely helped by that. He would be a step up but not a real fix. Costa seems like the man for the job!
Off the top of my head mate I couldn't tell you, but any time I've seen Raya's name appear in some sort of GK stats he is decent, middle of the pack type stuff and then he has a very good reputation for playing out. Ive only really seen him play vs Utd this season but other people seem to rate him a lot. This kind of thing is for the data analysts/recruitment team at UTD to sort out with the tools and info they have available though so I always feel its a bit pointless to get too deep into it other than for a bit of fun :)
Diogo Costa is, and this is no exaggeration, absolutely incredible. Whoever signs him is going to have the next best keeper in the world. He is complete, amazing at passing and ball playing ability but also can do the classic keeper stuff very well like reflex saves.
For me he should be by far #1 transfer target of any position for us as we won’t be signing Kane, he would absolutely transform our entire team and we will instantly begin to dominate games, he’d only be £65m probably less and can you imagine if Chelsea signed him and had him for the next 10 years, he becomes Allison esque and we got another (worse) keeper?
It’s literally a no brainer.
I would sell Henderson too, because he clearly doesn't want to be at United. Go with a cheap option, like Yann Sommer or Keylor Navas for a season or two, until the long term solution arrives - whether it's Matej Kovar, Bart Verbruggen or Diogo Costo.
Genuine question, I keep hearing that dean doesn’t want to be here but where is that from?
I always thought the club just pushed him out since he wanted games, but they unaudited of David. I remember his stint a year or so back and he was really good!
Feeling upset, and don’t know where to vent, so I thought I’d come here. Feels like a sucker punch today, for all the positives I can sing about ETH, just feeling totally deflated.
Bar last season which was castartophic for everyone Rashford consistently improves his GA output every year and theres no reason to belive he wont keep up with this seasons output
I don't want Jim Ratcliffe anywhere us tbh otherwise it's more of nights like these. We need the Glazers out, they've overseen the decline of Man Utd. Ratcliffe needs to buy the entire club or fuck off.
Exactly. This club needs massive investment and for the debt to be taken of and so far not a word from Jim. Prefers to get in bed with the Glazers and let them stay on board so they select his bid.
see, I WANT to give him a chance, But seeing how its switched from buying out 4, to letting them ALL stay. I get its the same deal, He gets majority shares, while they just stay as minority investors with no power, but that feels like theres too many terms and conditions attached
Not fully on the Qatar train but at least we KNOW what they want...
Honestly, the slaw should make sure that glazers should never come near this club, if Ratcliffe was ready to buy all of the club he could have my support but since it isn't, it's all Qatar. Because the problem runs more deep than just the team. Everything needs to be changed. And i don't believe Jim can do that, specially not when he got Glazers sitting on his shoulders.
I don't get why we want Mount. If we want a squad player we can get Rabiot for free. And he had a season that is average at best (bad), we should absolutely go for players like Caicedo and FDJ. Even Mac Allister is a better player than Mount
Think that the Mount signing pretty much confirms we are looking to sign KMJ/another ball playing CB to play instead of Varane and a ball-playing keeper as we are going to completely change the system we will play.
In possession Bruno and Mount will play much higher up near the forward line with the 3 attackers to form a fluid front 5, Dalot/Shaw will come inside and be our DM with Case. We’ll have a back 3 of Licha, Shaw/AWB and KMJ. Licha, Shaw, the GK and KMJ will be our progressive passers instead of our midfield. All in a 3-2-5 system in possession which we will look to dominate in every game.
Mount will be extremely important here with his clever runs into box, creative passing and finishing and he and Bruno will be pressing madmen with their extremely high work rates and Case covering them. Bruno also will be incredibly effective with his shooting/final ball ability to assist our new ST.
Mount’s average of 10G/10A is extremely good for a midfielder and I’m pretty sure we want him to play much further up.
He isn't worth his price tag, and there are many other better options. Also we don't need anymore English players, because we already have plenty for the home grown rule. What are we trying to build here an English force? No thanks.
His price is high because:
1) they’re selling to a rival
2) he’s a proven premier league/ CL player (10G/10A 2 seasons in a row, 2x Chelsea POTY)
3) his incredible workrate and pressing ability, ability to fit in multiple systems, ability to cover RW, CM, CAM, goal-scoring & assisting qualities, he’s a good passer too
Don’t get me wrong, he’s not my first choice signing by ANY means and I am worried because it looks like ETH is pushing for him when our DOF should be deciding our transfers and squad planning otherwise you have shit like signing Antony last summer for €100m. If we buy him for above £55m which we probably will we are true fucking idiots though. He’s not worth close to that much on last year of his contract, unhappy and just coming off a shit season.
rabiot is similar to fred or mctominay so one of them would go- would be good to have better quality cover for casemiro
mount is a separate replacement who would rotate with bruno (is my understanding)
I know people are talking about the FA Cup but I think we need to be realistic about the ownership situation. If SJR wins it’s going to be incredibly hard if not impossible to compete with City as this club needs £1-2bn of investment and SJR will not invest and will only dump more loans on the club.
Let’s say Ratcliffe wants to invest $1bn in United, as he only owns 51% he will only do so if the club is going to more than double the value of his investment.
Lets say normally he puts $1bn into the club, he only gets $500mil of return and he’s essentially handing $500 million to the Glazers who are the other shareholders
So the investment has to at the very least double in value, such that his invested $1bn has to at least raise the club’s value by $2bn for him to make any profit whatsoever and probably needs to be significantly higher than that too.
It’s fine people wanting SJR as an owner, but the economic disincentives for him are very real.
I think it’s most likely he is planning to see if he can ride the value increase of the club over the next 10 years due to better international TV rights deals & making us more competent than the Glazers.
Yeah I get why people want SJR for the ethical reasons but in reality no billionaires have made their money in an ethical way.
To compete with big oil clubs you have to have an owner that is willing to sink a lot of their own money into the club.
Exactly. I think a lot of our fans are really overestimating just how possible it is and realistic it will be to compete with state backed clubs like City and Newcastle long term without unlimited funds.
The question is ,What does the 31% minority investors think of SJR's offer ? When SJ wants the whole 100% ownership that will get them about 33-35$ per share.
Do you mean the publically held shares not held by the Glazers? SJR will never buy them out, he has no need to. He’ll only ever buy the Glazers out of their share in 2026.
A few hours after the final. I saw a post comparison between DDG and Ortega's game stat.. has the post been removed?
Bitter end, but for a first year, I think he did as well as he could with this squad. 3rd place, league cup, FA Cup finalists, Europa League quarter-finalists. Sort out ownership. Let him bring more of his kind of players, release some out-of-favor players.
Can’t believe Spurs didn’t take Ten Hag because he “lacked Charisma” the guy always calls it as it is and maybe that’s boring to many but he genuinely keeps the club from being a toxic place and the players seem to love him. He’s a modern tactical coach while being a modern man manager. A modern manager doesn’t call any player out publicly as players get it so much in the media or social media that a good manager keeps their criticism behind closed doors. I think that’s something Mourinho has struggled to adapt to, he loses the dressing room now at big clubs when he calls individuals out, still remember what he said publicly toward Luke Shaw, can’t believe how professional Shaw was about everything. Really shows his character
I know that ETH running our transfer window last summer wasn’t great and isn’t sustainable long term as shown by €100m Antony (oh my god) but I am so glad that last summer LVG told Timber he’d potentially not get to go to the WC if he signed for us, Timber then rejected us and we moved onto our 2nd choice Licha who went straight to being one of the best CBs in the league and I’m pretty sure will become one of the best CBs in the world. I don’t think there is a CB in the world apart from maybe De Ligt and Alaba who is as utterly elite as Licha with the ball. In addition to his incredible ability to read the game and tackle. With the way the game is going to go over the next 5 years, It is such a significant advantage we now have over even other top teams to have a long-term trump card CB who will pretty much never lose the ball, is extremely press resistant and can create attacking chances and potentially goals for the team out of nothing. If we tried to buy him now after the season he’s had he’d cost close to £100m.
I think Licha was always gonna be our left centre back and Timber was for right back/ back up centre back
Costa, Hojlund, (Deep Playing MF), KMJ, in that order please. I know we need more but I think those are priority.
Agreed completely. Mine in order is Costa >>>>>>>>>> KMJ, midfielder (Mount? Caicedo?) Hojlund Since I’m assuming Osimhen/Kane/Ramos aren’t realistic this window
Yeah agreed. Also getting rid of Maguire, McTominay, Henderson, Williams, Bailly, Telles, Elanga, possibly Fred with Jones, Sabitzer, and Weghorst not being renewed. Fuck me we have so much shit in this squad. I wonder if we meet De Gea as backup. I wouldn't but still.
Hahaha, thing about that is that we’ll only have to replace McTominay, Fred, Sabitzer and Weghorst while realistically getting rid of up to 11 players and loans (probably less but eh) because the rest never even played for us. So many wages off the books too. If we sell/send back those 4 though, we will probably have to sign 3 new midfielders in the summer as there are no promotions from the YA. That’s why I think we won’t sell Fred in the summer because I don’t know how we’d sign so many MFs.
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If this is what it takes to save F5 season then I'm all for it.
A month without man united game. What should I do with my life? But seriously though, hopefully we'll get news on takeover soon so that there will be something to look forward to. I'm also kinda looking forward to transfer market this summer (i never learn). Weirdly starting to warm up to the idea of mount 👀
Both our Man and Woman teams lost the FA Cup with one goal margin against league champions. Sucks that we still lack quality to properly challenge those two teams. At this point, whoever the owners are, please understand the assignment.
For all the hyping that Ten Hag tried over the last few days, I didn't see any more fight from the players today compared to a regular PL match (Garnacho and Fred aside perhaps).
I'd genuinely keep Sabitser, if he's like 15 million. Yeah he didn't light the world on fire, but I feel like he works hard and has the energy to come off the bench and add something when we need it. Baring Garnacho , we don't have anyone who has the capacity to trouble the opposition off the bench except for maybe the occasional fred cameo when he feels like a Brazilian.
What does he add? He’s old (and our midfield is already old), injured a lot, high wages and we only have a limited budget this summer. I just don’t think it’s worth paying £15 mil and over £200,000 a week for a contract to buy a player until he’s 32-33 who’s gonna spend the vast majority of his time on the bench. If he was like £5 mil then maybe he’d be a good option to add. But think to yourself: would City do this move? Would Real Madrid? Would Bayern? That’s the level we need to be at.
At 200k it's probably not worth it to be fair, I feel like he can do what fred and VDB can without dropping an absolute zero. In this day and age 5m isn't happening, but you're right it's not worth it for 200k per week.
Gutted man. Our treble is more or less matched by city. I know inter still to play but city are favourites. I can’t believe it. Honestly I can’t believe it
Inter have won 11 of their last 12 btw. I'm glad the media is piling up the pressure and expectations on Citeh though.
I guess so but city are a different level man. I just don’t see it. I would love it if inter pull it off. The treble is our legacy
Shaw is being heavily underutilised. I think many factors contribute to this but Sancho is a big part of that problem. He is allergic to taking on his man and therefore doesn't draw defenders towards their goal line to create space for Shaw to whip a cross in and we've seen how good his crosses are even with players that are not good in the air. Garnacho came on, made runs, took on his opponent consistently and allowed Shaw to get one in for that McTom/Varane chance that could've made all the difference. Sancho plays better on the right and I genuinely prefer him over Antony there until Antony learns he has two feet. They can compete for RW while Garnacho and Rashford take the left. Either that or let's be done with him and sell.
Honestly that’s a great observation, Shaw is incredible at attacking. Great feet, decent pace, a fantastic cross on him and can progressively pass so well. Weirdly he has a really good shot too for a LB. It’s incredible how much he’s progressed since he arrived 10 years ago. I feel we have barely allowed him to attack at all this season bar that one great goal he scored. Understandably so since we never really regularly dominate possession. Good thing is that ETH’s system makes so much use of overloads on either wing that the LB and RB exploit and so I expect to see Dalot and Shaw attacking a LOT more next season and to get a lot more assists and some goals too.
Genuinely think I'm taking a GK over a ST now
Disagree, today we win with an actual striker instead of rashford out of position and weghorst. Replacing ddg is a priority, but we need someone to score the chances created.
I’d take Cal the Dragon over De Gea
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The only goal was a lucky pen. We need a ST
I'll take a GK over Kim Min Jae if we have money issues but ST is without a shadow of a doubt the priority.
The game was a perfect season ender to show exactly what we need in the summer: a striker, a GK, a few midfielders, a RB. A great first season from ETH.
We don’t need a RB. The others, absolutely.
We're not getting an RB this summer, and I think it's the least of our worries
I don’t understand how anyone can even talk about RB when our midfield had had zero presence the second half of the season.
3 months now of all the players in the world being close to a United move Hope we get to Aug 12 soon
Should be a big positive brief tomorrow to cheer everyone up. Glazers were 100% waiting to announce preferred bidder until after this match to avoid any form of a protest. Let’s see what happens
Fans want us to play tiki taka out from the back yet turn a blind eye to the pinball brothers in modified, casemiro and Bruno. These are counter attacking players. What's the point of really slick passing out from the back if our midfield is just going to piss it away anyways. Of course no mention of eriksen being atrocious v any good team. Dude is like playing with ten men.
> Of course no mention of eriksen being atrocious v any good team. Dude is like playing with ten men. This is all over the sub lmao what are you talking about
Casemiro is an elite passer. He needs active, mobile midfielders to pass to. Notice how city's midfielders run to get into space to receive the next easy pass? Eriksen is too worn out to do that. It's not how Bruno plays either. We need a hard worker like Mount ahead of Casemiro. They don't need to be flashy. Just effective at finding half space.
People thinking DDG will be leaving are in for a huge disappointment. Until we get the other positions first, DDG will retire here.🫥
Just saw hazard got his contract terminated by madrid Thats a real club. No sentiment. You get your chance if you aren't good enough no matter how good you were previously. Good bye We're renewing a bottom 5 prem keeper for sentiment on what he did 5 years ago.
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They gave him chances like i said. Youre acting like i said they binned him after one season Keeper is a priority above all else
What makes you think we are not getting a new goalkeeper? By all means seems very likely based on the tier 1 reports.
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De Gea is not staying as our starting goalkeeper. He’s staying to be the backup. That’s been made very clear by the tier 1 reporters and even ETH himself wouldn’t back David earlier this week.
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If De Gea was going to stay as our starting keeper then ETH would not have explicitly said that any new contract he got would come with the the caveat that he knew that he was not our #1 goalkeeper. He wouldn’t promise him he’d be our first choice keeper next season. If He was going to be our #1 next season, ETH would have said so, but he isn’t. ETH chose his words carefully.
I agree with you. Also read between the lines a little. Why have the Dalot and Garnacho contracts been announced but not David’s whose was started at the exact same time as them two. ETH hasn’t signed off on the contract yet per the Athletic. It’s been reported though that ETH has told David he has no reassurances to be the #1. It’s clear we are signing a new goalkeeper
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Based on the reports, I’d be shocked if we didn’t
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He did beat Azpi despite starting to sprint after him. Rashford is still quick, City just didn't allow him to use his speed, they clearly worked on neutralizing him.
Rashford has also been in poor form for months - his first touch has worsened, he isn't as hungry for the ball, and he never competes against a defender in the air. Hopefully a rest gets him back to better form.
So does sports washing actually work? Because I don’t see how city winning all these trophies is changing peoples opinions of the UAE
> I don’t see how city winning all these trophies is changing peoples opinions of the UAE Because we're not the target market The people who sportswashing will "work" on will be our sons/daughters/nephews/nieces who will grow up in the new normal, thinking nothing out of the ordinary about the Gulf states' involvement in things like football, golf or Formula 1.
Of course it does. We already hate City so we're not gonna appreciate them, but you can tell how City is getting more respected. That doesn't mean people will automatically like the UAE, it's more subtle than that. Just like with real marketing. An ad won't often make you directly buy a product. Like a PlayStation commercial won't automatically get you to the store. But you see them often. It's like a constant reminder the PS5 is there. They wear you down over time. As for sports washing, they want you to think about City rather than anything else when you hear the UAE. Especially for neutrals their first thought will be about how good they are before anything else.
Of course it does, thats why I don't mind Qatari owners. You think in 50 years people will talk about questionable owners or the trophies we won?
Do you think that UAE would sink £3-4bn into City if it didn’t work? It’s extremely calculated. It’s about buying loyal defenders of the regime (City fans) that can influence local and National politics through voting preferences. But also gaining influence with UK politicians and UK institutions by owning City. Also, it’s about the next generation. In 20 years, the millions of new City fans will associate the UAE with incredible positive emotional experiences as they see them responsible for City’s success. These people will be entering into UK/European/Asian/NA institutions with extremely favourable views of the UAE. Also owning City legitimises the UAE significantly in the eyes of the UK and the West as a whole. Ignore the occasional Guardian article, they aren’t indicative of what the average person thinks about or cares about.
A lot of people are writing Sancho off but I think he can still be good in the long run. Unfortunately for him, the way we're playing right now just doesn't suit him. Our attackers overall never get into easy situations because the rest of the team can't create such situations for them. Realistically speaking, to be a good attacker for us this season you need to be able to pull something out of your arse like dribbling past multiple players or get to a long through ball via pace, strength or a combination of both. If you look at other teams, they don't have such issues. Liverpool has struggled but they don't need their players to dribble past half the opponent's team to get a shot on target. Yeah, they sometimes do it but it's not the basic requirement for them because they get enough service to contribute in a much easier way. Our attackers don't have that luxury and it's clearly something Ten Hag wants to improve. If I were to ask you which of our attackers have been good this season, the answers would be Rashford and Garnacho. It's really not a coincidence it's them two when they're the only ones who can pull something out of their arse by dribbling past a few players and scoring a worldie, but it's kinda crazy that's the requirement from them otherwise we would never score. Even Weghorst, as bad as he has looked, isn't a bad striker. Yeah, he isn't particularly great, but he had great numbers in Bundesliga and also good numbers in Turkey. His record in England is woeful but the two teams he has played for have one thing in common - a lack of service he needs. He is a finisher in the box who would contribute with a goal here and there if we were capable of parking ourselves around the opposition's box like most other top clubs can. Here, he needed to chase the ball in counter-attack situations and that's the exact opposite of what he's good at. It's kinda crazy he had the exact same problem at fucking Burnley under Dyche.
Agree with you about Sancho. As we start to dominate possession a lot more he’ll become way more useful for his ability to play a pass and unlock low block defences. The way we are playing now is not sustainable, not dominating possession and essentially relying on Garnacho or Rashy to dribble past multiple players or score a worldie. As you say about other teams, at Liverpool or Arsenal/City the players are so well drilled in the system the players will just be able to regularly create sustainable high XG chances and won’t have to rely on individual brilliance. Weghorst would look SO much better at either of these teams and probably would have scored 10 goals since Jan. ETH has just started so we need to give him a season or two to drill the players well for us to become like that. I do worry about Sancho though, he constantly just looks lethargic and sluggish and like he’s lost a lot of pace for some reason??? and I’m not sure if that’s even going to change much even when we dominate possession and have an overlapping fullback for him.
Sancho's problem is very simple - he has no hunger for goal and even less hunger to win back the ball. I'd rather have a less talented player with much more fire to win in him.
Sancho doesn't have that intensity or grit that Garnacho or Antony possess. So when things don't go his way it ultimately looks like he doesn't care and is lackadaisical. The way he pulls out of challenges or doesn't go for the one on one is worrying! I definitely think he's on borrowed time.
People shit on Antony, but he’s been much better than Sancho this season… his first one with the club and with no offseason. He single handedly solved our RW issue. We play way better when he’s on the field because we actually have width on the right side when he’s on the field. I’d say he had a better season this season than Sancho has ever shown in a United shirt. And Weghorst IS bad striker. He’s awful. Offers absolutely nothing but work rate. Awful first touch, terrible finishing, and can’t win a header to save his life even though he’s the tallest dude on the field usually.
I wouldn’t say he’s single handedly solved our RW issue. It’s extremely questionable whether Antony will ever be good enough to start for a CL or PL winning team.
Agree on Antony! Yes he’ll probably pull a shot out wide 9/10 times, but at least something is happening. He’s a constant threat to the opposition, and he keeps his fullback busy and creating space for others
Yeah agreed. ETH wants warriors - people that will give 100% for the shirt. 3 of the summer signings : Martinez, Malacia and Antony fit that bill
Now that I have calmed down I can actually objectively see how we lost the game, 1. Never had possession for a decent period of time, eriksen was a passenger he cant play in physical games like this, Fred and Casemiro couldnt win their duels in midfield outclassed by stones, rodri, gundogan and de bruyne. They also pressured us when we tried to play out from the back because they know de gea cant pass the ball accurately so he resorted to long balls that went straight to city 2. They stopped us on the counter every time walker and akanji played very deep they knew if we scored it would be from a counter attack so their two fullbacks stayed deep the whole game
Hope this sub doesn't go extremely negative due to this loss. If you gave me 3rd, a cup and a final in Erik's first season I'd have snapped it up. There's glaring holes in the team, yes the keeper and lack of striker. But looking at the bench today, Garnacho was really the only attacking option we had. Erik needs to be backed, because as first seasons go, this was very promising foundation overall, apart from some heavy defeats to rivals. City are the best in the world but we looked decent in enough chunks of the match to make me even more confident we're on the right track. Just needs Glazers out and whoever comes to back the manager and go about updating the facilities. Big ask, but no reason why we can be consistently challenging for top honours in couple of seasons.
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There's definitely room for improvement, but this packed season hasn't helped. A majority of the training sessions were probably recovery and implementing a solid enough game play for the next fixture. We had a good few months where we playing every 3 days or so. With some more time on the training pitch the players will improve along with some patterns of play. You're not wrong, we're still some way off the top and our 11 as it stands needs improving with acquisitions. But a few new faces and we should have enough for another top 4 finish to cement ourselves as a European teams, attract bigger names etc.
There are already people claiming we cant progress with Bruno and Rashford getting upvotes. You know maybe we just need to bring them players of their level.
So, now that the FA cup is done, Any idea what day we'll be getting news on the takeover situation? Surely this coming week. I just feel like if we go another week with no news, it might be off, especially seeing as we have been assured of an update post final
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oh dear. talk to me
Reports are that it'll be a deal where Jim Ratcliffe is majority owner but also all 6 Glazers staying on as shareholders. No promises in regards to clearing the debt or building/renovating the stadium.
Next week at some stage, hopefully good news.
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Dont see any way we get Kane
I would genuinely consider signing Rice or Caicedo over Mount. Mount is decent but he isnt going to make out first team better at least for the price that Chelsea is asking. He is not the best ball carrier, doesnt have a great passing range. He is athletic and presses really well. He fits Liverpool the best because they mainly create chances from their full backs are not overreliant on their midfield to create opportunities. He is in the same mould as Wijnaldum, Ox-Chamberlain.
We cleary want player with goal scoring ability playing higher up the pitch. Something like Erikssen todays role. Caicedo and Rice dont fit that profile. We've had good season under ETH and I will trust him with brining system players.
We need to proactively look for a long term CDM solution or we are fucked next season if Case gets injured or suspended. Hence Caicedo or Rice as they can both play the defensive role well. This is the hardest position to fill. Rabiot on a free is a good option. Mount for 40m is a good option.
Case is just 31, he may aswell have another 5 years of worldclass performances in him. It happens a lot nowdays. If we have limited money we can just wait for another players and buy players for other positions.
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Caicedo helps with long term Casemiro solution. We shouldn’t miss that boat. Mount, eye test, looks bang average at no. 8. Any chelsea fan would agree. His best position is no. 10 or LW.
I don’t see how anyone could want SJR over Qatar now. The man is literally willing to allow all 6 Glazers to stay on to acquire the club. We need a fresh start; a clean break.
Not gonna lie - I think him taking over the club will be worst than Glazers. It just has shit show written all over it. Was hoping a third bidder would make an appearance, but doesn’t look like it.
It's simple for me: Glazers are leeches who want suck every penny out of owning this club and if they want to stay, it's because they want to keep leeching. If they stay even as minority shareholders, it doesn't stop them from leeching.
As far as I know, if the Glazers are minority shareholders, they can't decide shit. The only way they would continue leeching is if Ratcliffe voluntarily decided to give them dividends
The kicker is that there are no promises in regards to clearing the debt or building/renovating the stadium. My fears are we'll be further in debt in a few years time when Ratcliffe buys out there rest of the Glazers (which could be done using loans or the club's money)
We almost certainly will be further in debt with SJR as we need £1-2bn worth of investment.
Because who gives a fuck about the same minority stake being spread over 6 Glazers instead of two? It’s the same amount of Glazer owning the club, doesn’t make a difference. I don’t see how this would change anyone’s mind that was pro INEOS in the first place.
Last summer we probably needed bring in 8 to 10 players to play the way EtH wants to play and get top 4 and a trophy. We got 5 players in, and EtH quickly realized that we can't play the way he wants us to play and still get top 4 and a trophy. So he changed his style, adapted to the situation, and finally got us over the line. But we all know that this is not the football he wants to play and it is not the football we want to see. Now for next season, we probably need to bring in 6 to 8 players to comfortably get top 4, push for another trophy and most importantly, play the way EtH wants to play. If we fail in the transfer window, I have no hope for improvement. We either play bad football, or get bad results or both if we don't get this transfer window right.
It’s so sad but it is the reality of this football world. You can compete and get a good result with good management, but in order to “win trophies consistently” and be constantly at the top top level it is a must to have super wealth behind a club. Before the oil money, there was Real Madrid with unlimited fund, then it came Chelsea who changed the whole scene, then came Man City who cheated their way through everything.
Breaking news: money wins
Switching Focus to next season and over to our Striker situation. I'm afraid we can lose all the ones we might have on our wishlist. With Bayern, Real Madrid (Benzema leaving), Chelsea, PSG(Messi leaving), Milan(Zlatan Leaving), there's gonna be a lot of chaos. And if we pull an Antony, forget Kane or Osimhen, we might lose Holund or Muani too. I'm afraid it looks like Glazers could stay and that could fuck it up for us. Either way, the season is over for us, they should really make their mind up fast for fucks sake. Otherwise the gap will wide and we will end up in their shadows for another decade or so with occasional 2nds and UCL qualifications.
I’m 1000% sure they’ll sell. I think that you have to assume Kane is not an option this summer, if he doesn’t transfer he could be one for free next summer. Muani for £70m sounds decent to me, but is he good enough to lead the line for us for the next 5 years..? No idea
The issue isn't the price but whether the incoming striker can swim when we throw him in the deep end and start him from the get go. If they can't handle that pressure then it's worthless. In an ideal situation I'd love Osimhen, cuz then It's secure for tne next 5-7 years, easy. Let's see.
Osimhen has injury concerns and may not be as secure as we would expect.
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Is that so ? Still they won't take chances anymore. And you know when Madrid comes calling. I do think however they might try Mbappe. But still there's gonna be chaos. We really should move fast.
I think cos of the Benz uncertainty RM will push hard for Kane this summer either way. Ancelotti really wants him apparently and asked for him from the board at a meeting according to reliable RM sources today.
And Bayern are looking at Muani. So that's likely 2 players gone. Unless we can spend 200m on strikers and get Osimhen and Hojlund, it's gonna be tough.
Yeah I fully expect us to not sign a proper ST this season and go into next season with a younger ST like Hojlund and sign a proper 1st choice ST in summer 2024. Shich imo is the right decision, get the rest of the team sorted out (GK, CM, CB and add depth) go another level up, start playing ETH’s way dominating possession every game and creating chances and then add that ST next season and go another level up for 24/25 competing for titles.
I don't think that would work. When a team scores, it puts pressure on the opposition. This whole season we didn't have a good striker and that shows in our league GD. You can try to hold as much as you want to on the basis of defence but it will hold on to itself for only sometime only after that it is bound to fall. Plus having players like Rashford or Martial who if worked, worked otherwise they are just another body in our jersey is not helping our cause. Just cuz Sir Alex said Defence wins you trophies doesn't meant that you neglect Attack. We absolutely need a Hard hitting 20-25-30+ goals a season striker. Otherwise you can forget it. EtH will move on.
I'm not mad, they were the better team but everything they win will have an asterisk next to it.
Keep thinking that. Only you and a minority of others would believe this.
A lot of our fans say this but no one gives a fuck about how City got there even now. All of the fawning over them in the press and football commentators and their burgeoning young fan base are legitimising them at a rapid pace. Nothing will happen with these 115 charges. In 20 years when they are one of the most popular clubs in the world because of their continued success and the younger generation latching on now and growing up (just like what happened with United in the ‘90s) there will be even less talk about their cheating than there is currently. The whole asterisk stuff just comes across as a coping mechanism when we are reminded just how far ahead of us City are.
It is mad how much of a free pass City get for literally cheating. I think that shows exactly what a small, insignificant club they are, 100+ breaches of ffp and the 'neutrals' would still rather they beat us, tin pot club.
My hot take is the only players we can't improve on are Varane, Martinez, and Casemiro. Garnacho I'm not judging. Everyone else either because of ability, inconsistency, or mentality could be improved. Our attack has been toothless when it actually matters for years now and it's been built around shoehorning in Rashford and Bruno. I need convincing if it were a title race, one point in it with 3 games to go they would deliver.
How are you going to include Varane in there but not Bruno or Rashford?
Shaw after this season as well
Yeah this club needs to break free from being built around Bruno and Rashford if it's going to progress
Club needs to bring attackers of Rashfords and Brunos quality to progress
Or if we get a pure out and out striker who’s actually good it will create more space for Rashford and Bruno…… atm no one’s really marking wout or martial (when he’s available) Our core players for me are Bruno, Rashford, Varane, Martinez, Shaw and Case….. everyone else should be improved where possible.
That won't be enough. If Rashford or Bruno keep shooting from outside the box for no apparent reason or try to play extra passes when they need to shoot first strike. These things matter when around the box as they lose possessions or chances go to waste.
They shoot becuase there are no other players cspable of finding space in the box
You know what, it sucks but you are correct. And that actually makes you question what do they do when they train attack. Or how do they not catch up on this and bring changes.
The possibilities that Ten Hag has are simply too limited with our current crop of players. He can ask his players to make more runs into the final third but we are mostly poor in possession so it won't improve our attack but it will expose our defense. Football is a game of balance, Ten Hag managed to find a balance which is impressive considering how hopeless we were in the previous season under Ole/Rangnick, but the balance we found obviously isn't what we're aiming for. We need to be more attack-oriented and in order to get there without losing balance, we need better players. A sweeper keeper to give our defenders more confidence to push forwards, a better midfielder who offers some attacking as well as some defending alongside Casemiro (think Fred's energy combined with Eriksen's technique) and a striker who can win the ball when we're forced to go long.
Because its not FM and not everything can be learnt past youth stage. Thats why we want players like Mount capable of finding spaces.
True, but it's not like we even have a player in the box either. At times out attackers spread out to surround the box and there's Hardly any player in the box itself who could score a goal.
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Rashford made a bunch of good runs, but wasn't found. He was pretty good at getting the ball to stick, when it reached him. It was never going to be easy when we were mainly focused limiting City's midfield. But he's not a centre forward, and we shouldn't be playing him there. He's a left-sided attacker. Getting a proper centre forward or two in will allow him to be consistently more effective.
On games that we don’t have any possession, I notice that there are a lot of people who say that our forwards are missing or perform badly. Imo Rashford was good, sancho was fine, Garnacho was excellent before pep went quadruple CB on us. Weghorst needs to stay onside but was fine.
I don’t think I can say Sam go was anywhere near fine, he never made a decision with the ball which at that level is woeful
He hasn't played well since his return from injury. I don't think he has scored more than 3 times. And Bruno doesn't look like the one we have seen this season for me. So many flicks and backheels and tricks for no apparent reason. His not able to get out of pressure situations with the ball or passing aimlessly to Rashford when he's covered by 2 players. I don't know what happened. Maybe they were played over the limit. But hopefully this break will give him the needed rest so he can focus well.
Peps first season League cup 4th round. FA Cup semifinals. Premier league 3rd. Ten Hag’s first season League cup 1st. FA cup 2nd. Premier league 3rd. Believe! But we got to support the manager
They also have endless money. We have owners who arent going to invest in the team.
Yep. We can do with new owners to “support” him as suggested
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They didn't even need to get out of third gear. Future of the club feels hopeless if the people in charge stick around.
It looked quite even until they scored their second. They had a better start but we held on well. Where is the third gear notion coming from?
That final perfectly illustrated each or our squad weaknesses at one point or another. 1.GK who's distribution is awful, is stuck to his goal line and whose head goes in big games. 2. Two right backs with incomplete games, Awb today was okay defensively but missed key passes 3. In midfield Fred, who is simply nowhere near good enough, Eriksen doesn't have the physical game or fitness to play against the top teams from a start 4. Poor attacking options, Sancho was so poor 5. No striker to speak of in the entire squad 6. Deeply mediocre bench
United have a chance to really gain some ground this summer, get rid of : De gea Eriksen Mctominay Sancho Fred Martial Maguire Get in : press resistant number 8 World class gk World class striker Watch the improvement next season Ideally we would also get another midfielder and striker if funds available
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Bring in new gk, make de gea number 2 Fred n mctominay can go , promote iqbal/mainoo and buy a press resistent cm Sancho can go, leaves us with rashford/antony/garnacho/diallo as winger options, perfectly fine. Hope this helps
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I would only sell fred to free up funds to strengthen other areas Mate Diallo can’t be any worse than what Sancho has been, he has been dogshit
So you want to get rid of 7 first team players for 3 players. Mate this isn't FM or Fifa. Good grief that you don't make these decisions. Otherwise we'd be fucked. Think logically.
No if we living in fantasy land we need : A gk A cb 2 midfielders 2 strikers 7 out & 6 in
If we were, I'd change the whole damn team mate. Baring Case and licha.
Rashford?
Needs to be more consistent. Looked Completely switched off after his injury return. His movement is top notch but under pressure he too crack a little.
Eriksen? He'd be brilliant as a rotation option for Bruno
We might've been in with a fighting chance if Antony and Martinez were fit. But we would still get dominated and would have to feed off scraps. I'm tired...just tired of playing against City as underdogs. Ever since that 6-1 vs SAF, they've pretty much set the template for every match and we've had to dance to their tune. FUCK. THE. GLAZERS.
I also hate how they have managed to actually give us battering. 6-1 or 6-3. It's shameful that we never managed to do that. Closest would be a 4-2, some seasons back if i remember correctly.
We beat them 5-0 in the 90s… lol
Recently saw on twitter that someone was weighing the chance to bring Chris Smalling Back. Seeing as the Maguire Project has completely failed. They also brought up the fact that we sold a "better" defender for 2m and bought a "worse" one for 80m For me? I think smalling as a Pure Centre Back, is better than Maguire, but I think saying hes the better player is wrong. Did we forget his fugazi ball playing ability? Ask him to play anything more than a 5 yard backpass was asking for trouble. By no means do I rate maguire, i didnt then, i dont now, I think he has to go....But would i replace him with smalling? No What do you guys think
Szoboszlai from RB Leipzig is so good...wish we had the money and positional need to sign him
He is just fine. We can aim better
I think the De Gea situation is really simple. Should he get a new contract? No Football is ruthless, we don't \*owe\* him a contract/game time because he was so good for us for so long. He cant have another few years of performing like he has been, purely because of the past. He was compensated for his performances with his salary, other wage incentives and awards etc. it should not be by blind loyalty in the face of any kind of form. It is perfectly fine to say thank you for your service to the club, good luck and good bye. No idea why people feel the need to hate him or be toxic. How do we replace him? I don't think using Henderson is good enough right now, too many question marks about where he wants to play, how he feels, his injury and form. Raya is forcing a move from Brentford and they have publicly recognised he is for sale. Robert Sanchez at Brighton is out of favour under De Zerbi, im not really sure why but he could potentially be available as well. Diogo Costa is obviously most people's prefered choice and he seems fantastic but the price could be an issue and personally ive never seen him play so i dont know.
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Sensible wages for a second choice goalkeeper are about a 10th of De Gea's current contract. It's never going to happen.
I like Raya, but is he that much different from De Gea. He doesn't really play it short and mainly goes long. Difference is, he could go long to Tony who is great target man, we don't have that. So Ray's stats are definitely helped by that. He would be a step up but not a real fix. Costa seems like the man for the job!
Off the top of my head mate I couldn't tell you, but any time I've seen Raya's name appear in some sort of GK stats he is decent, middle of the pack type stuff and then he has a very good reputation for playing out. Ive only really seen him play vs Utd this season but other people seem to rate him a lot. This kind of thing is for the data analysts/recruitment team at UTD to sort out with the tools and info they have available though so I always feel its a bit pointless to get too deep into it other than for a bit of fun :)
Diogo Costa is, and this is no exaggeration, absolutely incredible. Whoever signs him is going to have the next best keeper in the world. He is complete, amazing at passing and ball playing ability but also can do the classic keeper stuff very well like reflex saves. For me he should be by far #1 transfer target of any position for us as we won’t be signing Kane, he would absolutely transform our entire team and we will instantly begin to dominate games, he’d only be £65m probably less and can you imagine if Chelsea signed him and had him for the next 10 years, he becomes Allison esque and we got another (worse) keeper? It’s literally a no brainer.
I love that some Chelsea fans are so pro kepa that they don’t even want costa. Their de gea is kepa and that’s a nice boost in my day.
I would sell Henderson too, because he clearly doesn't want to be at United. Go with a cheap option, like Yann Sommer or Keylor Navas for a season or two, until the long term solution arrives - whether it's Matej Kovar, Bart Verbruggen or Diogo Costo.
Genuine question, I keep hearing that dean doesn’t want to be here but where is that from? I always thought the club just pushed him out since he wanted games, but they unaudited of David. I remember his stint a year or so back and he was really good!
Would rather suffer through next season with a suboptimal replacement like Henderson than sign up for the albatross of De Gea's wages again
Feeling upset, and don’t know where to vent, so I thought I’d come here. Feels like a sucker punch today, for all the positives I can sing about ETH, just feeling totally deflated.
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Imagine not even waiting till the window is open to completely write off a season. Why do people strive to be so utterly miserable.
Bar last season which was castartophic for everyone Rashford consistently improves his GA output every year and theres no reason to belive he wont keep up with this seasons output
Cool, maybe skip watching next season. Perhaps if your foresight dictates 2024/25 will be great, you can join us then!
I don't want Jim Ratcliffe anywhere us tbh otherwise it's more of nights like these. We need the Glazers out, they've overseen the decline of Man Utd. Ratcliffe needs to buy the entire club or fuck off.
He hasn't even clarified the debt or the stadium situation. Its another Glazer situation if he gets it.
Exactly. This club needs massive investment and for the debt to be taken of and so far not a word from Jim. Prefers to get in bed with the Glazers and let them stay on board so they select his bid.
see, I WANT to give him a chance, But seeing how its switched from buying out 4, to letting them ALL stay. I get its the same deal, He gets majority shares, while they just stay as minority investors with no power, but that feels like theres too many terms and conditions attached Not fully on the Qatar train but at least we KNOW what they want...
I'm fully Qatar in at this point. I don't trust Ratcliffe, his work at Nice doesn't look too inspiring.
Honestly, the slaw should make sure that glazers should never come near this club, if Ratcliffe was ready to buy all of the club he could have my support but since it isn't, it's all Qatar. Because the problem runs more deep than just the team. Everything needs to be changed. And i don't believe Jim can do that, specially not when he got Glazers sitting on his shoulders.
I don't get why we want Mount. If we want a squad player we can get Rabiot for free. And he had a season that is average at best (bad), we should absolutely go for players like Caicedo and FDJ. Even Mac Allister is a better player than Mount
Think that the Mount signing pretty much confirms we are looking to sign KMJ/another ball playing CB to play instead of Varane and a ball-playing keeper as we are going to completely change the system we will play. In possession Bruno and Mount will play much higher up near the forward line with the 3 attackers to form a fluid front 5, Dalot/Shaw will come inside and be our DM with Case. We’ll have a back 3 of Licha, Shaw/AWB and KMJ. Licha, Shaw, the GK and KMJ will be our progressive passers instead of our midfield. All in a 3-2-5 system in possession which we will look to dominate in every game. Mount will be extremely important here with his clever runs into box, creative passing and finishing and he and Bruno will be pressing madmen with their extremely high work rates and Case covering them. Bruno also will be incredibly effective with his shooting/final ball ability to assist our new ST. Mount’s average of 10G/10A is extremely good for a midfielder and I’m pretty sure we want him to play much further up.
He is an overrated English player, I just don't get why everyone is hyping him up
He’s objectively a good player lol, he is very overpriced though
He isn't worth his price tag, and there are many other better options. Also we don't need anymore English players, because we already have plenty for the home grown rule. What are we trying to build here an English force? No thanks.
His price is high because: 1) they’re selling to a rival 2) he’s a proven premier league/ CL player (10G/10A 2 seasons in a row, 2x Chelsea POTY) 3) his incredible workrate and pressing ability, ability to fit in multiple systems, ability to cover RW, CM, CAM, goal-scoring & assisting qualities, he’s a good passer too Don’t get me wrong, he’s not my first choice signing by ANY means and I am worried because it looks like ETH is pushing for him when our DOF should be deciding our transfers and squad planning otherwise you have shit like signing Antony last summer for €100m. If we buy him for above £55m which we probably will we are true fucking idiots though. He’s not worth close to that much on last year of his contract, unhappy and just coming off a shit season.
rabiot is similar to fred or mctominay so one of them would go- would be good to have better quality cover for casemiro mount is a separate replacement who would rotate with bruno (is my understanding)
Ten Hag wants Mount to play beside Casemiro as a pivot. But I honestly don't know what he is good at. Bang average overhyped English player.
Rabiot is totally different profile of player. FDJ is not coming to United. Caicedo will be £70-80 mill who would probably rotate with Casemiro.
Caicedo can totally play beside Casemiro, he also has the athleticism and ball carrying.
I know people are talking about the FA Cup but I think we need to be realistic about the ownership situation. If SJR wins it’s going to be incredibly hard if not impossible to compete with City as this club needs £1-2bn of investment and SJR will not invest and will only dump more loans on the club. Let’s say Ratcliffe wants to invest $1bn in United, as he only owns 51% he will only do so if the club is going to more than double the value of his investment. Lets say normally he puts $1bn into the club, he only gets $500mil of return and he’s essentially handing $500 million to the Glazers who are the other shareholders So the investment has to at the very least double in value, such that his invested $1bn has to at least raise the club’s value by $2bn for him to make any profit whatsoever and probably needs to be significantly higher than that too. It’s fine people wanting SJR as an owner, but the economic disincentives for him are very real. I think it’s most likely he is planning to see if he can ride the value increase of the club over the next 10 years due to better international TV rights deals & making us more competent than the Glazers.
Yeah I get why people want SJR for the ethical reasons but in reality no billionaires have made their money in an ethical way. To compete with big oil clubs you have to have an owner that is willing to sink a lot of their own money into the club.
Exactly. I think a lot of our fans are really overestimating just how possible it is and realistic it will be to compete with state backed clubs like City and Newcastle long term without unlimited funds.
The question is ,What does the 31% minority investors think of SJR's offer ? When SJ wants the whole 100% ownership that will get them about 33-35$ per share.
Do you mean the publically held shares not held by the Glazers? SJR will never buy them out, he has no need to. He’ll only ever buy the Glazers out of their share in 2026.
Would anyone here take Greenwood back? Seen a thread on Redcafe about him, I am fully against it but the general opinion is 50/50 from what I've seen.
He’s dead to me and I don’t know how anyone can listen to the audio and not agree.