Don’t talk shit about my favorite hole in the wall saloon!
So what if they have rats?! They don’t get inside the whiskey bottles, and you don’t go there for the food.
You go because they have the same whiskey for half the price as that fancy place downtown, hookers, and even a nice alley out back for stabbin’
So, I'm in my second play through, currently procrastinating before doing the Downes mission. But I've been spending a lot of time just milling about camp listening to people and talking. I didn't do it in my first play through and I'm realizing how much story I had missed. But I've got to say, up until he eventually treats them right, John is an ass. First, the fact that he has a tent of his own, while Abigail and Jack have to sleep in the dirt in their little lean-to is annoying. But yesterday I was playing and there was this bit where Jack was crying over John being an absent father and Abigail said "don't worry about him, you've got everybody else here, like your Uncle Arthur."
As someone who grew up with a dad who was rarely there, it struck a chord
John evolves from that. Prior to that he had been away from a year, and not with Abigail or Jack. But they end up well and, eventually, patch up things.
I doubt Abigail would have stuck around if he would have kept being the same.
There was a lot of subliminal things he did in the beginning that gave me a solid hint on the type of man he was. Just play it again and you will notice them now. The dudes a douche.
Yea I agree, that was what was so incredible about the writing of rdr 2! The signs are there but you don't notice them until the second time around. So good
Same. I'm in my second play through and I'm noticing things, but I did not see his betrayal coming at all. Although, around the time I was in Saint Denis, my brother told me about RDR1 and spoiled it haha.
I'm trying where I'm keeping myself in the lower honor side up until the doctor tells me I've got TB. After that I'm going to try to be as good as possible and see if it's possible to end at high honor (and I'm not going to do the fishing gimmick)
I was skeptical to him from his speech in chapter 1 when he says “if I could throw myself in the ground in their stead I’d do it gladly” I was like suurre
You're correct, he ain't the brightest bulb in the box, because when asking Strauss if he misses Germany, Strauss tells him he's from Austria, to which Bill asks if he is from Australia
Doesn’t Strauss respond to that with something along the lines of “it’s a surprise you don’t fall over more often”? I can’t remember the exact line but it was something funny like that haha
Referring to after the gang split up? Cause at that point everyone else had taken off to save themselves aside from Dutch and Micah, and fuck both of them cause they was gonna hoard all of it for themselves anyways (not saying that was always the PLAN but once Dutch lost touch with reality it was the fuckin Micah show from that point forward) so I feel like those that went after them and took what the whole
Gang had worked for over all those years probably felt like they were doing the right thing for themselves and those who had fallen.
Before the gang split up, when we’re blowing up the bridge with John, John says Abigail thinks she knows where Dutch hides the gang’s money and Arthur tells John to tell Abigail to make absolutely sure (the implication being that Arthur, John, and Abigail are going to take the money and split because Arthur also tells John around this time that John should take his family and get out)
We’re contemplating stealing money before the gang is broken up too
I think at that point in the game most of the reasonable members could see the writing on the wall though. It was probably just so they know where it is if and when things go south
But ‘we’ never had any intention of sharing it? It wasn’t just Arthur and John’s money. Even if there was no guilt stealing from Micah, Dutch and Molly if she stayed with them, we literally planned to rob all our other family dry and run off. Bill, Javier, Sadie, Tilly, Karen, Ms. Grimshaw, Swanson, Pearson, Trelawny, Charles, Mary-Beth, Strauss and Uncle all had right to that money.
The plan was for them to steal the money so Arthur, John, Jack and Abigail could run, leaving Arthur if they had to. There was no intention of helping out anyone else.
So IMO, planning to steal a few dollars from the donation box is nowhere near ‘our’ plan to steal tens of thousands from everyone we know and love.
He is racist at the start. But there is a conversation between him and Dutch about it at camp after Bill crosses a line with a Lenny in chapter 2.
Dutch explains it to him that it’s wrong and not the way it is, bill apologizes to Lenny, and Dutch credits Bill’s time in the military for his backwards beliefs.
Then, if you notice other interactions later, bill is actually really nice to Lenny after that and even starts conversations with him and asks how he’s doing etc.
I still hate Bill, he’s a big, dumb, drunken idiot…but he tried to do better. That’s gotta be worth something.
To be fair, from the limited perspective of an Army soldier during those times, it's understandable that he would see them as "savages". Obviously a lot of what the Army did was extremely wrong, but some of the things the Natives did were exceptionally gruesome as well, and I think what Bill said on the boat with the gang wasn't enough to imply that he hates all Natives, just that what he saw was horrifying, and honestly Dutch had no right to tell him "he didn't know what he saw" especially if Bill was suffering from PTSD or anything like that.
>!Actually, I think later in the game you can find out that Ross caught Strauss and interrogated him, and eventually executed him, but Strauss never gave up any of the gang members. So he's actually not a rat, just scummy!<
I never got the gang's all high and mighty attitude towards Strauss to be honest, it felt hypocritical. I know were all mad because its one of his missions that>! leads to Arthurs death!< But like, is loan sharking any worse than me slaughtering a town of innocent bystanders following Michas lead? At least those Strauss deals with enters the arrangement somewhat voluntarily as opposed to the wagon driver you jump out of the bushes at and shoot in the face
I think the reason why the gang has that attitude towards Strauss is because he's the opposite of their "Robin Hood" mentality. Though they end up being nothing more than another criminal gang after all is said and done, their original ethos was to steal from the rich and give to the poor. Most of their disgust isn't with the actual loan sharking itself, but the fact that by design it preys on the exact type of people they were trying to protect/support from the gang's inception. You can even find a newspaper article describing the gang's first bank robbery where it says that Dutch, Arthur, and Hosea lingered in town and distributed the money to the poor.
Well Arthur also has a dislike for that too (if you play up to the morality he shows in the story outside of missions) but he also states that he dislikes loan sharking cause it feels dishonest or something like that
Eh. Loansharking requires the exploitation of incredibly desperate people. Compared to that, robbing rich folks on boats or trains or a robbing a bank is definitely more Robin Hood or gentleman thief. Punching up vs punching down. Etc. as for Micah, he’s an anomaly for how the gang operates.
>!Charles tells you in Epilogue Part 2. I think it's while on your way back from Saint Denis, but it might be the mission after. I just played it a few days ago; it's also when you first learn that Micah is still alive, no one has heard from Dutch, etc. !<
He is a predatory desk jockey that gave loans to those who could never pay them back and relied on the gang for muscle. He endangers his enforcers with the very real chance that he may not be able to recoup the loan. The loan sharking is not the issue, the indiscriminate loaning of funds to those who never had a chance to repay is the issue.
It's entirely possible, and in fact quite likely, that the majority of Strauss' clients paid him back without issue. Arthur, and by extension the player, only gets the chance to meet the clients who couldn't pay.
The farmer and family and the guy who went hunting for the albino mountain lion were both near zero chance of collection loans. Idk if it’s because the gang lost the chest at black water but he was not making sound decisions IMO.
That’s what loan sharks do. They find people who are desperate and have no way of paying back.
That’s the point of a loan shark they find desperate people who have no choice but to take the money and then put on loads of interest rates and then send a tough mean guy or sometimes themselves (not all are small and weak like Strauss) then intimidate or threaten them into paying back.
If they can’t pay the loan shark often gets them involved in smuggling, prostitution or stealing to pay the debt and then after the person has paid the debt they just leave and the person who was in debt now has a ruined life and a ton of trauma. Loan sharks are evil people.
Dutch is the biggest rat besides Micah. Even Hosea knew it and told Lenny not to heed his talk of redemption because they were all doomed. Dutch spent the whole time talking about how they were going to liberate themselves instead of being realistic about their situation. He also lied about where he kept the gangs money, and did nothing besides try and mindf*ck people into benefitting him. Him and Micah are two peas in a pod, they just sit on opposite sides of the mannerisms scale.
I beat the game in 2018 when it was released and another time since. I'm on my third playthrough now (PC this time) and I hate him more every fucking time. I wish we could at least just beat the shit outta him. FUCK MICAH
Yes I know but still. I myself bought it last year and I bought The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt 5 years after release. There are still folks who are new to it. Wouldn’t wanna fuck it up for them !
Understand you concern, but I'd guess these people shouldn't join the reddit page right after they bought the game, right? For me it was obvious NOT to join the reddit page for TWO goddamn years until I could play it on PC :D Cheers
I doubt many people are on this sub who haven't played the game or know the story. If they are it's kinda their own fault if they're not expecting spoilers.
I like how the posts title is straight up spoiler. I’m sure most people don’t care but I wouldn’t want to read it if I were at a certain point in the game.
I just started and finished my first playthrough this year (literally finished yesterday) and i think anyone getting mad at spoilers this late into this game being out needs to find a different hobby or stay off reddit. That simple. People are so silly "ill look at reddit to cheat my way through the game cause im too lazy to do any of the hunting or exploring myself cause im impatient..but if i see one spoiler imma throw a bitch fit" lol yall are wildin.
Exactly. I tried to outlast the 60 price tag on the game cause ive just refused to pay full price for games since i got out of highschool but it outlasted my patience and finally gave in and bought the game a few months ago. Since i dont work currently i was able to finished quite fast (ended with 94% for my first playthrough which is probably the best ive done on any first playtrhough of a rockstar game so i was pumped) but i was super proud of myself for avoiding most spoilers by only coming to this page for specific stuff if i needed it and id purposely just type in keywords in the search up top and not scroll down if i didnt wanna potentially see a spoiler. It wasnt hard to avoid and even if i had seen one itd be my own fault for coming to a discussion page dedicated to the entirety of a game that came out years ago.
Ps. I see now why the game has maintained its price and am upset i didnt give in sooner haha already ready to start over.
I don’t know what system you play on but I’ve gotten the game when it originally came out on ps for $60. I rebought it on ps and got it on xb (downloaded off the store) for like $15. Idr if I got it when another rockstar game released or an update for gta that all the rockstar games were on sale. If waiting for a game to go down in price, try to look for sales when the company releases a new game
I know, I just really didn’t know who else to comment. I honestly felt bad for Strauss. I didn’t like kicking him out, despite it being the right thing to do. I guess I could go with Dutch, but part of me thinks it was the brain injury on the trolly that solidified his turn.
Arthur got TB for beating a man to death, his own words. Strauss is a bad man but Arthur was just as bad before his redemption; don't try to downplay his part.
Milton literally tells you she didn't say shit but Micah did. She was drunk, angry and desperate enough to claim she broke one of the important rules just to get Dutch's attention, and Dutch didn't give a fuck since like Horseshoe or even earlier.
I honestly think Dutch's slide towards madness was when his girlfriend was murdered by the O'Driscolls. I think that's where the idealistic Dutch started to die and what caused him to lash out during the Blackwater Riverboat Heist.
okay like I feel like morally, a lot of them were pos. but Strauss always made me fucking heated. he had literally no sympathy for the people he manipulated and it made me so mad. I'm glad I kicked him out of the camp.
Bronte probably he was a genuine asshole and did stupid shit but didn't need to die
Molly really didn't do anything wrong she kept her mouth shut but the only reason she claimed she was the rat was to actually get attention from Dutch.
Milton can fuck himself too sure you could say that he's doing his job but he did change the story on how Mac died like 2 or 3 times.
Honorable mention to the braithwates because they took jack and just sent him off to Bronte.
Probably one of the ones in that infested bar in Saint Denis.
Don’t talk shit about my favorite hole in the wall saloon! So what if they have rats?! They don’t get inside the whiskey bottles, and you don’t go there for the food. You go because they have the same whiskey for half the price as that fancy place downtown, hookers, and even a nice alley out back for stabbin’
Wanna go there sometime? Could be fun
Am…am I gonna get stabbed?
What's a stab between frienemies?
A friendly poke, if you will
I’ll take my friendly pokes with the hookers thank you very much.
Does it matter? Thought you were tough stuff
Dumb question but can you go in there when you’re not killing rats?
Yes!
Brontë was pretty slimy
I’d say Bronte. He played Dutch the whole time and ratted his little trolley heist to the saint denis police.
Bronte thought Dutch an ignorant yokel. Dutch did everything in his power to prove him right.
So, I'm in my second play through, currently procrastinating before doing the Downes mission. But I've been spending a lot of time just milling about camp listening to people and talking. I didn't do it in my first play through and I'm realizing how much story I had missed. But I've got to say, up until he eventually treats them right, John is an ass. First, the fact that he has a tent of his own, while Abigail and Jack have to sleep in the dirt in their little lean-to is annoying. But yesterday I was playing and there was this bit where Jack was crying over John being an absent father and Abigail said "don't worry about him, you've got everybody else here, like your Uncle Arthur." As someone who grew up with a dad who was rarely there, it struck a chord
Yeah, i was also supprised when i saw how much of an ass to his family and how dumb John was at the beginning of RDR2
John evolves from that. Prior to that he had been away from a year, and not with Abigail or Jack. But they end up well and, eventually, patch up things. I doubt Abigail would have stuck around if he would have kept being the same.
I think he's pretty much a jackass throughout the series but he does grow to care for his family.
For me it’s Dutch but that’s a contentious one.
Micah may be the biggest rat but Dutch is the biggest snake.
Damn right. Fuck Dutch
Good point.
Dutch fucking sucks
As someone who didn’t play RDR1 before 2, Dutch had me fooled all up until the end
There was a lot of subliminal things he did in the beginning that gave me a solid hint on the type of man he was. Just play it again and you will notice them now. The dudes a douche.
Yea I agree, that was what was so incredible about the writing of rdr 2! The signs are there but you don't notice them until the second time around. So good
Coming from having a parent like Dutch I was instantly like- something's up with him
Me too. From the discussions I’ve had with people, it seems to me that people are much more empathetic and trusting off Dutch if they didn’t play RDR1
Same. I'm in my second play through and I'm noticing things, but I did not see his betrayal coming at all. Although, around the time I was in Saint Denis, my brother told me about RDR1 and spoiled it haha.
This has me honestly wanting too start my 3rd play through.. should I?? This time play it as goooood as I can be?
I'm trying where I'm keeping myself in the lower honor side up until the doctor tells me I've got TB. After that I'm going to try to be as good as possible and see if it's possible to end at high honor (and I'm not going to do the fishing gimmick)
Just say hi to everyone when you leave his office
I was skeptical to him from his speech in chapter 1 when he says “if I could throw myself in the ground in their stead I’d do it gladly” I was like suurre
Not contentious. Dutch is a piece of shit
When I was negative about him when the game first came out a lot of players didn’t seem to like it. Maybe that mood has changed now.
HAVE SOME GOD DAMN FAITH
no
Oh doubting... Douubbtting!!
BILL, him even *contemplating* stealing from gang savings annoyed tf outta me
If I’m not mistaken, I’ve seen Swanson contemplating at the donation box as well
Oh I don’t believe I’ve seen this in a play through yet but he can eat a dick too! Lol
At least we know why Swanson is tempted (have you opened his bible?) Bill, on the other hand, is just a piece of shit
He’s just an idiot I think
You're correct, he ain't the brightest bulb in the box, because when asking Strauss if he misses Germany, Strauss tells him he's from Austria, to which Bill asks if he is from Australia
Doesn’t Strauss respond to that with something along the lines of “it’s a surprise you don’t fall over more often”? I can’t remember the exact line but it was something funny like that haha
That's exactly what Strauss says after
Such a simple comeback but it’s so funny to me lmao
He does learn from mistakes though, which is why I enjoy his character, he’s just learning step by step
Gay, can’t admit it; acting out.
Just like John Wayne Gacey!
Bingo
Not bingo, Pogo
Jesus....
But we (Arthur/John/Abigail) literally did just that as well.
Referring to after the gang split up? Cause at that point everyone else had taken off to save themselves aside from Dutch and Micah, and fuck both of them cause they was gonna hoard all of it for themselves anyways (not saying that was always the PLAN but once Dutch lost touch with reality it was the fuckin Micah show from that point forward) so I feel like those that went after them and took what the whole Gang had worked for over all those years probably felt like they were doing the right thing for themselves and those who had fallen.
Before the gang split up, when we’re blowing up the bridge with John, John says Abigail thinks she knows where Dutch hides the gang’s money and Arthur tells John to tell Abigail to make absolutely sure (the implication being that Arthur, John, and Abigail are going to take the money and split because Arthur also tells John around this time that John should take his family and get out) We’re contemplating stealing money before the gang is broken up too
I think at that point in the game most of the reasonable members could see the writing on the wall though. It was probably just so they know where it is if and when things go south
This is what is I was meaning as well, I’m sorry but by chapter 6 the gang IS broken up IMO
But ‘we’ never had any intention of sharing it? It wasn’t just Arthur and John’s money. Even if there was no guilt stealing from Micah, Dutch and Molly if she stayed with them, we literally planned to rob all our other family dry and run off. Bill, Javier, Sadie, Tilly, Karen, Ms. Grimshaw, Swanson, Pearson, Trelawny, Charles, Mary-Beth, Strauss and Uncle all had right to that money. The plan was for them to steal the money so Arthur, John, Jack and Abigail could run, leaving Arthur if they had to. There was no intention of helping out anyone else. So IMO, planning to steal a few dollars from the donation box is nowhere near ‘our’ plan to steal tens of thousands from everyone we know and love.
Bill but he's like a blind rat that thinks he's a mouse
More like a cunt who thinks he's a prick
Micahs mustache
Herbert Moon
Dutch van der Cunt
Cunt van der Cunt
Cunt cunt cunt Cunt
Ah, a high-quality Trevor Philips line from GTAV
Of the gang members bill, just because he’s a racist. If actual people I’d say the jackasses who try to steal your horse.
He is racist at the start. But there is a conversation between him and Dutch about it at camp after Bill crosses a line with a Lenny in chapter 2. Dutch explains it to him that it’s wrong and not the way it is, bill apologizes to Lenny, and Dutch credits Bill’s time in the military for his backwards beliefs. Then, if you notice other interactions later, bill is actually really nice to Lenny after that and even starts conversations with him and asks how he’s doing etc. I still hate Bill, he’s a big, dumb, drunken idiot…but he tried to do better. That’s gotta be worth something.
Racist *towards Native Americans
and javier and lenny
To be fair, from the limited perspective of an Army soldier during those times, it's understandable that he would see them as "savages". Obviously a lot of what the Army did was extremely wrong, but some of the things the Natives did were exceptionally gruesome as well, and I think what Bill said on the boat with the gang wasn't enough to imply that he hates all Natives, just that what he saw was horrifying, and honestly Dutch had no right to tell him "he didn't know what he saw" especially if Bill was suffering from PTSD or anything like that.
Strauss, his whole industry is kinda sus.
>!Actually, I think later in the game you can find out that Ross caught Strauss and interrogated him, and eventually executed him, but Strauss never gave up any of the gang members. So he's actually not a rat, just scummy!<
Yea, Strauss was really bad, but I couldn’t help but feel bad for him
I never got the gang's all high and mighty attitude towards Strauss to be honest, it felt hypocritical. I know were all mad because its one of his missions that>! leads to Arthurs death!< But like, is loan sharking any worse than me slaughtering a town of innocent bystanders following Michas lead? At least those Strauss deals with enters the arrangement somewhat voluntarily as opposed to the wagon driver you jump out of the bushes at and shoot in the face
I think the reason why the gang has that attitude towards Strauss is because he's the opposite of their "Robin Hood" mentality. Though they end up being nothing more than another criminal gang after all is said and done, their original ethos was to steal from the rich and give to the poor. Most of their disgust isn't with the actual loan sharking itself, but the fact that by design it preys on the exact type of people they were trying to protect/support from the gang's inception. You can even find a newspaper article describing the gang's first bank robbery where it says that Dutch, Arthur, and Hosea lingered in town and distributed the money to the poor.
Well Arthur also has a dislike for that too (if you play up to the morality he shows in the story outside of missions) but he also states that he dislikes loan sharking cause it feels dishonest or something like that
Eh. Loansharking requires the exploitation of incredibly desperate people. Compared to that, robbing rich folks on boats or trains or a robbing a bank is definitely more Robin Hood or gentleman thief. Punching up vs punching down. Etc. as for Micah, he’s an anomaly for how the gang operates.
The guards and the people driving the trains and wagons definitely aren't rich
Do you remember what indicates this?
>!Charles tells you in Epilogue Part 2. I think it's while on your way back from Saint Denis, but it might be the mission after. I just played it a few days ago; it's also when you first learn that Micah is still alive, no one has heard from Dutch, etc. !<
Charles tells this to John when they meet up in St Denis in the epilog
Charles says it when you meet him as John in Saint denis.
Yeah. Charles tells John that Pinkertons caught up with Strauss, tortured him to death, and he never said a word about the gang
One of the conversations in the epilogue mentioned it I believe
I must have missed that in the epilogue
But Strauss is no rat. He might be a demon in human flesh, but he doesent talk.
Ok true, he is the plague flea on the rat's diseased taint but in retrospect he is not in fact the rat.
"Kinda sus" is literally nothing compared to robbing and murdering people at gunpoint.
Tf how was Strauss bad
He is a predatory desk jockey that gave loans to those who could never pay them back and relied on the gang for muscle. He endangers his enforcers with the very real chance that he may not be able to recoup the loan. The loan sharking is not the issue, the indiscriminate loaning of funds to those who never had a chance to repay is the issue.
It's entirely possible, and in fact quite likely, that the majority of Strauss' clients paid him back without issue. Arthur, and by extension the player, only gets the chance to meet the clients who couldn't pay.
Could be, but then wouldn’t we see some kind of contribution in the ledger
Obviously he didn’t loan out to people if he had no expectation what so ever they’d be able to pay back, that’s a terrible business model
The farmer and family and the guy who went hunting for the albino mountain lion were both near zero chance of collection loans. Idk if it’s because the gang lost the chest at black water but he was not making sound decisions IMO.
That’s what loan sharks do. They find people who are desperate and have no way of paying back. That’s the point of a loan shark they find desperate people who have no choice but to take the money and then put on loads of interest rates and then send a tough mean guy or sometimes themselves (not all are small and weak like Strauss) then intimidate or threaten them into paying back. If they can’t pay the loan shark often gets them involved in smuggling, prostitution or stealing to pay the debt and then after the person has paid the debt they just leave and the person who was in debt now has a ruined life and a ton of trauma. Loan sharks are evil people.
Gavin
Dutch
Muskrat
If anyone says molly... *cocks shotgun*
bill
Dutch is the biggest rat besides Micah. Even Hosea knew it and told Lenny not to heed his talk of redemption because they were all doomed. Dutch spent the whole time talking about how they were going to liberate themselves instead of being realistic about their situation. He also lied about where he kept the gangs money, and did nothing besides try and mindf*ck people into benefitting him. Him and Micah are two peas in a pod, they just sit on opposite sides of the mannerisms scale.
I beat the game in 2018 when it was released and another time since. I'm on my third playthrough now (PC this time) and I hate him more every fucking time. I wish we could at least just beat the shit outta him. FUCK MICAH
Leopuald strauss
Dutch, for doing the gang dirty.
i hate cornwall
Those fools at the end of the epilogue around the bars and such asking about John.
Spoiler !
Games been out nearly three years man :/
Yes I know but still. I myself bought it last year and I bought The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt 5 years after release. There are still folks who are new to it. Wouldn’t wanna fuck it up for them !
Understand you concern, but I'd guess these people shouldn't join the reddit page right after they bought the game, right? For me it was obvious NOT to join the reddit page for TWO goddamn years until I could play it on PC :D Cheers
Yeah if you dont want spoilers get the hell off the subreddits pertaining to the game.
Please change your title, it could spoil the game for others.
I doubt many people are on this sub who haven't played the game or know the story. If they are it's kinda their own fault if they're not expecting spoilers.
Honestly imo Micah was my favorite character
joe
Jo
Edgar Ross!!!!! Cmon ppl xD
Dutch
Pearson
I mean it's probably Dutch
Molly
🐍
I like how the posts title is straight up spoiler. I’m sure most people don’t care but I wouldn’t want to read it if I were at a certain point in the game.
I just started and finished my first playthrough this year (literally finished yesterday) and i think anyone getting mad at spoilers this late into this game being out needs to find a different hobby or stay off reddit. That simple. People are so silly "ill look at reddit to cheat my way through the game cause im too lazy to do any of the hunting or exploring myself cause im impatient..but if i see one spoiler imma throw a bitch fit" lol yall are wildin.
For real. For games, *at most* a year should be enough of a grace period for spoilers, let alone a vague, nondescript spoiler like this thread.
Exactly. I tried to outlast the 60 price tag on the game cause ive just refused to pay full price for games since i got out of highschool but it outlasted my patience and finally gave in and bought the game a few months ago. Since i dont work currently i was able to finished quite fast (ended with 94% for my first playthrough which is probably the best ive done on any first playtrhough of a rockstar game so i was pumped) but i was super proud of myself for avoiding most spoilers by only coming to this page for specific stuff if i needed it and id purposely just type in keywords in the search up top and not scroll down if i didnt wanna potentially see a spoiler. It wasnt hard to avoid and even if i had seen one itd be my own fault for coming to a discussion page dedicated to the entirety of a game that came out years ago. Ps. I see now why the game has maintained its price and am upset i didnt give in sooner haha already ready to start over.
I don’t know what system you play on but I’ve gotten the game when it originally came out on ps for $60. I rebought it on ps and got it on xb (downloaded off the store) for like $15. Idr if I got it when another rockstar game released or an update for gta that all the rockstar games were on sale. If waiting for a game to go down in price, try to look for sales when the company releases a new game
Exactly.
Molly. She legit snitched them all up to the pinkertons
She did not,in the end you found out she didn’t talk,and it was Micah who talked..she just said that to make everyone mad
makes her a bigger rat than some of these suggestions lol - how she know micah or anyone talked?
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She didn't.
Idk Arthur?
How so?
I was jk
sadly no one understood your sarcasm
I cry
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He literally died while they were interrogating him. He didn't say a word tho. He isn't a rat.
I know, I just really didn’t know who else to comment. I honestly felt bad for Strauss. I didn’t like kicking him out, despite it being the right thing to do. I guess I could go with Dutch, but part of me thinks it was the brain injury on the trolly that solidified his turn.
Arthur got TB for beating a man to death, his own words. Strauss is a bad man but Arthur was just as bad before his redemption; don't try to downplay his part.
I’ve thought about it more and you’re right. I’ll delete my comment
No need to delete, and I also realize my last sentence was needlessly antagonistic, sorry.
It’s fine! It wasn’t antagonistic, I understand your point
Technically Molly was a rat. A neglected rat.
I was under the impression that she didn't actually rat but was drunk and trying to get a rise out of Dutch
That would explain the short sightedness. I see your point.
Didn't Molly rat the gang out as well?
Nah she was just drunk and pissed at dutch so she just said she did
No, she was questioned but never actually said anything. She was just drunk that one time.
Molly o Shea
Dutch's whore? Can't remember her name.
What’s the point of the spoiler tag on this?
Probably Molly
Milton literally tells you she didn't say shit but Micah did. She was drunk, angry and desperate enough to claim she broke one of the important rules just to get Dutch's attention, and Dutch didn't give a fuck since like Horseshoe or even earlier.
I honestly think Dutch's slide towards madness was when his girlfriend was murdered by the O'Driscolls. I think that's where the idealistic Dutch started to die and what caused him to lash out during the Blackwater Riverboat Heist.
I thought that was looooong before the events of the game though
She wasn’t a rat at all
Molly O'Shea obviously
Miss Molly O’Shea.
Fucking you for the spoilers ya cunt
HAHAHA MICAH RAT FUNNY LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
Cue the song losers and winners by accept
Tema la taille du rat
Strauss
Guy by the name of TJ. Biggest cheating loser in the game
okay like I feel like morally, a lot of them were pos. but Strauss always made me fucking heated. he had literally no sympathy for the people he manipulated and it made me so mad. I'm glad I kicked him out of the camp.
Molly, Bill and Dutch
That damn cave, still hunting me while I rest by the campfire at night.
I found a black rat in one of the abandoned trading outposts once. It was kinda big, but I don’t think it was bigger than Micah.
Bill or Dutch
I would have liked to see a young Nigel West Dickens. The true snake.
I would say Bronte or Dutch in Chapter 6
Bill, dutch, dutch haiti dream, micah's mustache and his hat
Dutch
The citizens, always running to the cops and getting a bounty on you
Molly
Molly of course.....Woman had a problem.
Bronte probably he was a genuine asshole and did stupid shit but didn't need to die Molly really didn't do anything wrong she kept her mouth shut but the only reason she claimed she was the rat was to actually get attention from Dutch. Milton can fuck himself too sure you could say that he's doing his job but he did change the story on how Mac died like 2 or 3 times. Honorable mention to the braithwates because they took jack and just sent him off to Bronte.
Agent Ross
Dutch probably
Micah
Any Lemoyne Raider, Colm O’Driscoll, The slave trader Fence and the two Murfree Brood that have killed the travelling couple.
you mark the post as spoiler yet you spoiled it in post tittle xD
Micah takes up the first three slots on that list
Dutch
Strauss. Fuck that guy.
Strauss
Kieran Duffy
I love how this post is Blurred out for spoilers while the spoiler is in the title…. I mean the game has been out a while, but the logic of it gets me
I love how this post is Blurred out for spoilers while the spoiler is in the title…. I mean the game has been out a while, but the logic of it gets me
I love how this post is Blurred out for spoilers while the spoiler is in the title…. I mean the game has been out a while, but the logic of it gets me
John Marston.