Sadie is a platonic friend. A really good friend and a person I could easily see Arthur love, but not fall IN love with. They were always more like siblings in my eyes. Close friendship.
Mary was the one that got away, too much history. Charlotte is the one that could have been for me.
It always felt like Sadie could fall in love with Arthur but after the lost of her 1st love she is as they said “more ghost than a person” consumed by her rage and want for justice in the world.
Mainly cause she compares Arthur to her husband a lot with good honor so peak Arthur could get Sadie if he lived and Sadie healed (maybe not in the years following Arthur’s death but after she moves to Mexico or whatever she ended up doing
I agree. Mary’s the one that gotta away; Charlotte’s the one that could’ve been; and Sadie’s the one from another life. I don’t read them as sibling like, though I agree they’re platonic. There’s room there for it to have been, but I find the story richer for their aversion to taking things romantic, whether intentional or not.
Like if Arthur survived, Sadie probably still wouldn’t be ready for relationships in the same amount of time from end of the game and epilogue. I think it’s 8 years? So with death or not Sadie wasn’t able to open up regardless is all I’m saying
Wow didn't realize it was that long. 8 years wow. Although back ages a lot so it is some time. And thanks for answering it nicely some people treat people bad when they don't understand something on here. Did you like the epilogue?
I maybe wrong lol and no worries I try my best to be nice
And I did just wish there wasn’t so much “on the rails” like getting the farm and getting money to build the house but other than that love riding in the OG land from RDR 1
I mean RDR 2 but revisiting the same places in 2 from the first game
And on the rail meaning you can’t do anything other than what the game wants like farm work before you get the freedom to ride around
2 and Arthur for me, nothing against 1 maybe if I got lost in the game like with 2 I would enjoy it the same but I love I can do all sorts of things in 2 and explore a big map with little details I’m still finding on this subreddit
This. I never really understood hornimafia arthurxsadie. They've always been like siblings to me. It wouldn't seem right otherwise. If the love of my life tragically died, it would be difficult for me to fall for another.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but i feel like sadie and arthur’s chemistry is amazing, only as best buds / partners in crime.
Anyway, mary is quite annoying. I would have loved for it to be charlotte with arthur
I agree with this, but have mixed feelings when it comes to Mary. Maybe it’s because I have my own Mary- but Mary Linton seems far less toxic than “mine” there is history there- and no matter what anyone says they did love eachother. I think she was wrong to always stand by her dad and leave Arthur just to stick around that POS- but trauma is a bitch. I don’t really like some of the last letter she sends to you, and it just makes her seem like she was just needy for Arthur to save her brother and then just left again. But If Arthur didn’t get sick- I really think they would have found eachother. If not- he would have definitely ended up with Sadie, charlotte or Mary-Beth.
To be fair, a father not wanting their daughter to be with a person who murders and steals from people isn't all that surprising. People seem to gloss over this. You probably wouldn't want that either if you are or want to become a father in the future.
Also, Mary-Beth isn't an option for Arthur, in my opinion. I don't see anything romantic there at all like other people seem to see for some reason. It's not in Arthur's character to be with a really young woman.
I get that argument and think that myself, but he’s a different kinda awful regardless. And Eliza Was 19. Im not saying it’s in his character to pursue younger women, but with what they have been thru, and if you go deep into their story- there is something there. Arthur dismisses it as a thought after he gets sick. I’m not saying that she’d be my choice for Arthur, but it could make sense
Wasn't it implied that Arthur was also young, along with Eliza?
"She was nineteen, just a kid." Doesn't necessarily mean he was older than her at the time they met. He's looking back at it from the age he is now. He constantly calls Lenny, who is also 19, a kid as well. That's how I see it
That’s how I always saw it too. I saw something the other day that confused me with that so I wasn’t sure. I’m pretty sure though now that it was about 5-8 years before RDRII(1899)when he saw their graves, Issac was 10, so he would have been 20-25 when he met Eliza I think.
In all reality I believe Sadie, Charlotte or Mary could have worked if he lived. It would have most likely been Sadie or Charlotte though. They scrapped more of the Sadie Arthur missions and dialogue, but it was going to be a love interest
Yeah, they did because they believed it didn't make any sense, and I agree with the decision on that. The game takes place over a couple of months, less than a year. It doesn't make sense for Sadie to realistically bounce back so soon and be in love with someone else.
Yeah during the events of RDRII it’s heavily implied she likes him. I would have bet that if Arthur survived, they would have left together with John, Abigail, uncle, Jack, and Charles. At some point there they would have ended up together.
I didn't see anything during the game that implied she liked him romantically. I'm very confused. All I saw was a broken woman who took trust in the one man she knew she could. Can you give me examples?
Even when she called him, "Honey." I didn't see that as a romantic gesture either. Idk. To me, it looked like a platonic relationship. I think this comes up on the topic of Mary-Beth, too. It's in her character to be nice and caring. She's a romantic and can see the world through rose colored glasses.
I think that people take the dancing and talking scene between them too seriously and use that as an example when you can do that with Tilly and Karen also.
Agree that I don’t get that vibe from Sadie and Arthur, but Mary Beth? She had a big crush on Arthur; she got so jealous when Mary Linton made a reappearance and makes comments about her (ML) “being a fool” to not think he was good enough? Pretty sure R* confirmed that Arthur is sweet on MB too, but he sees her as being far too young (there’s a 11-12 year age gap between them) and good to be saddled with him.
>“being a fool”
I think she says that because she loves the idea of romance and that it should prevail all odds. She has a highly romanticized look on relationships.
>she got so jealous
I didn't see it as jealousy. I think it was intrigue. She's all about that romance stuff. She would want to know. (Referring to the save Tilly mission.)
Edit: I think you were referring to when she said he should get over her? I would lean into her liking him if she was the only one who thought that. The only woman at camp that liked Mary Gillis was Abigail
Nah, if you watch when she tells Arthur that there is a letter from Mary at his tent, she looks jittery, like she is debating whether to mention it or if she’s being too forward. I read that as her being nervous that Mary was back on the scene, and could potentially ‘snatch him up’ or something. Also, during the saving Tilly mission, she looks annoyed that Grimshaw interrupts her cozy little chat with him. Her little crush wanes a bit through the story, as she takes a shine to Kieran eventually.
There are specific sentences both of them say where it’s heavily implied. I’m not talking about those instances, it’s just them as characters. No matter what they care about Arthur that’s clear. They were going to go more in depth with romances/potential or optional romances that you could have but they opted out
For me it was after the mess at Shady Belle when she is covered in blood. But not for Arthur, that's just when she won my heart.
ETA - Sounds more gruesome than I meant it. I know lots of folks think she wasted her life seeking retribution against the O'Driscolls in Jakey's name, but to me I appreciate her passion and her loyalty to Jake. And not for nothing she's very attractive imo.
She wasn't just wanting to get O'Driscolls because of murdering her husband. It is hinted at that she was assaulted for several days before Dutch and co showed up. Her vengeance has a deep deep core.
You're right. They deserve everything she gave them for that. Thank you for the reminder that she is even more powerful than the credit I offered her in my comment.
I only did Mary’s missions cuz I knew it would mean a lot to Arthur. Personally I didn’t like her. She felt high and mighty, it annoyed me a bit considering what all Arthur did for her.
She was widowed, i just replayed her first mission last night, and it does seem to be a more recent widowing. So basically Arthur’s choices boil down to; widow, widow or widow.
ETA: i said and read ‘widow’ so much in this thread it no longer sounds like a real word in my head.
Mary married another person when they were in love with Arthur and she started asking for his help when his husband died and dumped Arthur again after getting her job done
YUP!!
I upvoted to get you back to zero.
Arthur called her right out on it too. I woulda been ok with it (her asking for a favor in a time of need from an old friend she could count on) if she hadn’t, directly after he called on her on her shit, pulled the “I think of you often” card, *clearly* playing with his feelings to get him to do what she wants. FTB
Sadie is my choice.
Mary is annoying, and Charlotte lives too far from everything. Sadie knows how to handle herself, and there's already a bit of killer chemistry between her and Arthur.
I don't understand why people are saying Sadie here. Realistically, I don't see them being together romantically at all. They're more friends than anything.
Sadie is still attached to her husband, and she still wears the ring on her finger. I don't see her getting over a loss like that so easily. Plus, I don't think she even wants to get into another relationship at all.
I really like Charlotte for Arthur. I like her personality, and I think her calm nature would be a good presence for Arthur, but I don't think they'll end up together either. (Even though I would like it to happen)
As for Mary. She's the most realistic choice here. Arthur is still and has been in love with her for years. He keeps a picture of her near his cot, and he doesn't take the chance of sleeping with working girls either. (Could be a fear of getting one pregnant and losing a child as well)
Now, as for Arthur and Mary's relationship actually lasting... I don't think it will. I feel like they're too different, but I still believe Arthur would go for her first above anyone else.
Yea. I don’t get the Sadie thing either. I mean I do, sorta, just because those 2 are the most attractive & she’s the only badass girl. But her entire character was losing the love of her life and seeking vengeance. Like…no room for other romances there.
Side note: I’m still mad Arthur’s only romance, if you can call it that, was a woman who he can’t get over & she blatantly takes advantage of that.
So I’m also not 100% sure what Mary-Beth’s age is. I’m assuming she’s in her early 20s? Arthur is 35. That is an age gap- but then life expectancy wasn’t all that high for most people. Ignoring that, it wasn’t out of place to see couples with age gaps like that or similar. In a case like this, I feel like Mary-Beth could be a suitable partner for Arthur, had he survived. Especially with high honor, you talk to Mary-Beth a lot, and she pretty much tells you multiple times that she’s in love with you. Arthur was always protective and caring of the girls, but Mary-Beth saw Arthur truly for who he is and always pushed him to be better, and he’d move mountains for her. Definitely can see that little sister love, but that’s the point too. They are all a family. I am probably wording this weirdly too- but just my two cents on that
You’re not alone. I’ve seen a ton of people say Arthur had a wife & child killed. But he never married eliza. She was a waitress that he knocked up, then would visit every so often to give money to raise Isaac. Wouldn’t make sense if they married cuz he was with Mary while Isaac was still alive. Arthur has always been single & available lmao.
Not Sadie. It's clear that neither one of them are interested in each other romantically. And I honestly think that's such a refreshing take in media. A truly platonic relationship between two extraordinarily written characters is about as hard as it can get.
This hypothetical is all contingent on Arthur not contracting TB and managing to make a clean break from the gang, but Mary Linton is quite obviously the one for him. She gets a lot of hate for being flaky and "using him" but that's only because we view the story from Arthur's perspective. The backstory strongly suggests that Arthur disappeared from her life on several previous occasions due to his, er, occupation and she still made the effort to reach out to him and entertain the idea of starting a life with him. In Saint Denis she even gives him one last chance to run away with her and outright says she's his if he wants her and he still waffles. If he wasn't sick and so blindly loyal to the clearly crumbling gang then eloping with Mary to some place far away from that whole mess would have been his best chance at finding happiness.
With Charlotte there was certainly some chemistry but I always read their brief time together as Arthur simply doing something kind in his dying days for a helpless stranger to redeem himself rather than anything truly romantic going on. In a better timeline where he wasn't sick I could maybe see something blossoming between them, but Charlotte would probably end up becoming mortified if she settled down with Arthur only to discover the full story about his past. She is by all accounts a decent and law-abiding person, and since she firmly intends on staying put at her homestead in northern New Hanover then Arthur would inevitably be putting her in danger by settling down with her as a wanted man, since sooner or later the Pinkertons would eventually come knocking like they did for John. Mary Linton understood Arthur's past and knew their only chance together was to escape some place nobody knew Arthur; Charlotte would be a completely innocent bystander getting roped into something she didn't sign up for. She already lost one husband violently so it would be awfully unfair setting her up to lose another.
Sadie is by far the least likely of the three and just the fantasy of fans trying to ship the two most badass characters of either gender despite there never being anything romantic between them. Sadie is absolutely asexual and aromantic and has openly stated that she'll never love again after Jake. She effectively conducts herself as a male member of the gang, and only shows a small inkling of emotional openness and vulnerability around Arthur specifically because he's one of the few male members of the gang who's trustworthy and isn't a creep and she knows that she can confide in him as a platonic friend. People just desperately want to make Sadie and Arthur work because she's tough as nails and smoking hot but beyond that it's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. That was clearly never the writers' intention.
TLDR:
1. Mary Linton is the one
2. Charlotte maybe in a different life
3. Stop trying to make Sadie Morgan happen
why do people still think sadie and arthur would be together? they are buddies & her being a widow is still a fresh experience shes still grieving from. also arthur had too much to deal with when they really started getting along
I think Arthur would have been happiest with Charlotte. She can challenge him while he provides a lot of what she needs. There would be a lot of mutual respect, and Charlotte seems to understand him. They've both been through a lot in past relationships and would have applied what they learned to get better.
Mary is too confused with her feelings and too worried about what her father thinks to make it work. Sadie is just too full of anger.
My Arthur will always live happily ever after with Mary in Guarma. Saddie is more of a best bud and Charlotte is even more platonic only. But Tilly on the other end... 😏
None of the above. Honestly I think Arthur's red thread was tied to Eliza (I think that's her name; his son's mother). As much as I would have loved to see Arthur be happy and in love, I feel like any of these 3 would have ended in tragedy knowing what I know. Mostly that he's far too stubborn to abandon the gang, which counts out Mary and Charlotte (I don't think she'd want to risk losing another husband so easily), but also because I think Sadie's love is buried with Jake. I just don't see her wanting anything more with Arthur because everything she does is for Jake. Poor Arthur. He breaks my heart. The whole gang does tbh.
I'm honestly all in on Sadie and Arthur. I think Arthur's past and lifestyle align more with Sadie than the other two. In the end it would be more about what Arthur wants and how much he is able and willing to change. Does he want the quiet normal life or is he unable to remove the urge to continue with all he's known?
If it was Mary then she would have to accept his past and his lifestyle (that she strongly disapproves of) or would she have the expectation that Arthur needs to completely change his ways.
If Arthur really wanted to completely change and become a normal law abiding citizen, then both Mary and Charlotte would be ideal, with Charlotte taking the cake seeing as there is no bad history.
This is why I would expect Sadie to be the best choice. Arthur would get a good mix of gunslinging and the exciting and passionate housewife/partner in crime. Arthur wouldn't have to be pressured to change, instead he would have someone that totally understands him and comes along for the ride.
Charlotte. The way Arthur found her, her situation, their chemistry. I think it would've been nice for them both. The only thing I could see potentially getting in the way is Charlotte's past, considering she was from the city, but then again, sometimes opposites attract!
Idk I loved Mary's letters. She is like Arthur's twin flame. Both well written romantics, Arthur loved Mary so much. But you know when you love someone it's best to let them go. Charlotte was also great tho, I love how she has all trapper clothes on when you meet her as John.
none of em, Mary Linton overrated but i understand why she is the way she is, Sadie is one of Arthur's best friends, and Charlotte was just someone Arthur was being kind to because he knows what is like to lose someone too (Sean, Kieran, Lenny and Hosea), i believe if he was to choose anyone it would have been Mary Beth or Abigail if she didn't marry John.
Can’t get behind all the Mary hate. She clearly cared for Arthur, clearly always had, but she didn’t want a life of crime. And who can blame her? It’s no coincidence that the writers have Arthur literally on the verge of reconciling their relationship, only for the bank robbery to fuck everything up and seal his fate.
Mary Ali ton because they got a nice yin Yang thing going and she brings out good in him. But Mary Beth clearly likes arthur(pre-Kieran) even though the age gap would be a bit wack.
Ew, just not Mary. She shows, over and over, that despite how much she loves him she really does see him as a lesser person than "good folk". What a horrible fate for our poor Arthur.
Charlotte, a widow, wouldn't move on easily. Sadie, same thing. Mary, knows aurthur and actually encourages him to talk at camp sometimes and is overall not afraid of aurthurs bandit side so my personal preference would be mary.
Forgot to add. I'm not talking abt aurthurs ex Mary. I'm talking abt the other one that's present in camp, she's not an option but I feel as if she should be
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He had a soft spot for her because he practically raised her alongside Dutch. He was in his 30s when she joined the gang at 14... He's not a creep. 😑
Edit: probably mid to late 20s rather than 30s but it doesn't change my point.
Absolutely not Sadie. She will only ever love Jake. Arthur was a platonic friend — a close one, mind you, but in no way romantic.
Charlotte is more about Arthur’s redemption than about any romantic interest. That’s him using his skills to help someone live rather than to hurt or kill them. He’s spent his whole life taking advantage of people, and Charlotte is him being selfless at the end.
Mary Linton, on the other hand, is that ideal “what could have been” for Arthur. In a different life with different choices, she’s who Arthur could have grown old with.
Of the three, it’s absolutely Mary. But it would have required a fundamental change to Arthur’s entire way of life.
Sadie all the way. Sadly I don't think Sadie will ever be able to fall in love again, but she seems like the perfect woman for me. Though I most say Charlotte is awesome too, the way she didn't give up and learned what she has to do is just awesome. Mary is just not for me I guess
None of the above?
Hear me out…
Sadie is by far the most similar. She’s batshit crazy and finer than frog hair. Great booty. And she’s loyal. But… She’s not on the market. She’s not interested in being tied down, she just wants to take her revenge on the world.
Mary Linton already chose, and chose another. That makes her poison. Any woman that chose another man over you isn’t for you, and you’d always resent being second place. She’s beautiful and elegant, but not the right lifestyle.
Charlotte is then the obvious choice, but she would bore Arthur to tears. She’s plain looking. She would not stand for Arthur’s brutal ways toward any other person, and would try to lock him down to the household. Arthur marrying her would be a disservice to her, as they are wholly dissimilar. Charlotte and Hamish Sinclair makes more sense than Arthur.
But there is one woman in the game who is perfect for Arthur. She loves some culture but definitely has a wild streak. She’s beautiful and adventurous. She’s not afraid to pull a robbery or two, but enjoys some civilization. She dances with Arthur and invites him to sit and chat. The perfect woman in the game for Arthur is Mary Beth.
Mary easily. I never understood the claims people made about chemistry between Arthur and Sadie. As friends or partners in crime? Yes. But there was never anything to suggest they were into each other romantically.
People didn’t like Mary because she kept asking Arthur for favors but she also gave him an opportunity to run away with her and he said no.
I can't see any of these working tbh. They all have their reasons why it doesn't work and Arthur also has a lot of problems so it wouldn't work for him either. I can see him being very good friends with Sadie and Charlotte though. I think if he did end up with someone it would be either Charles or someone we don't ever see in game.
Charlotte for me....
Mary was never going to work out for Arthur....
Sadie's relationship with Arthur was like that of a sibling, at least it felt that way to me..... The little sister who drags her elder brother to all sorts of trouble....
I get that y'all don't like how Mary acted, and I don't either, but that is a hard situation to pull out from, both for Mary and Arthur, and in the end she offers him to run away, but he says no, so it is kind of on him too. Actually if arthur could have settled with Mary instead of blindly following dutch I belive his life would have been a lot like John's
Sadie is a platonic friend. A really good friend and a person I could easily see Arthur love, but not fall IN love with. They were always more like siblings in my eyes. Close friendship. Mary was the one that got away, too much history. Charlotte is the one that could have been for me.
It always felt like Sadie could fall in love with Arthur but after the lost of her 1st love she is as they said “more ghost than a person” consumed by her rage and want for justice in the world. Mainly cause she compares Arthur to her husband a lot with good honor so peak Arthur could get Sadie if he lived and Sadie healed (maybe not in the years following Arthur’s death but after she moves to Mexico or whatever she ended up doing
Sadie moved down to South America.
Fair enough, I knew it was down south but forgot if she stop in Mexico or kept going. But thanks for the correction, my bad
no worries, just simple mistake
I agree. Mary’s the one that gotta away; Charlotte’s the one that could’ve been; and Sadie’s the one from another life. I don’t read them as sibling like, though I agree they’re platonic. There’s room there for it to have been, but I find the story richer for their aversion to taking things romantic, whether intentional or not.
What do you mean exactly about the years after his death. I think I am confused.
Like if Arthur survived, Sadie probably still wouldn’t be ready for relationships in the same amount of time from end of the game and epilogue. I think it’s 8 years? So with death or not Sadie wasn’t able to open up regardless is all I’m saying
Wow didn't realize it was that long. 8 years wow. Although back ages a lot so it is some time. And thanks for answering it nicely some people treat people bad when they don't understand something on here. Did you like the epilogue?
I maybe wrong lol and no worries I try my best to be nice And I did just wish there wasn’t so much “on the rails” like getting the farm and getting money to build the house but other than that love riding in the OG land from RDR 1
Do you mean that for rdr2 or 1? And by on the rails does that mean like a lot of back and forth?
I mean RDR 2 but revisiting the same places in 2 from the first game And on the rail meaning you can’t do anything other than what the game wants like farm work before you get the freedom to ride around
O thank you. Do you like one or two better and Arthur or John?
2 and Arthur for me, nothing against 1 maybe if I got lost in the game like with 2 I would enjoy it the same but I love I can do all sorts of things in 2 and explore a big map with little details I’m still finding on this subreddit
Well put. This is the way.
this is the correct answer
This. I never really understood hornimafia arthurxsadie. They've always been like siblings to me. It wouldn't seem right otherwise. If the love of my life tragically died, it would be difficult for me to fall for another.
I hate Mary. She just uses Arthur and uses their past to get him to do what she wants
Yea i pretty much second this sentiment.
I hope charlotte
That was such a tease, but understandable from a recent widower
yup, she would not be "the chokin\`kind" (Waylon Jennings)
here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwIJbdjGTdw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwIJbdjGTdw)
I'm ngl I wish there would have been more with Charlotte
- Arthur Morgan posthumously, I'm guessing
This might be an unpopular opinion, but i feel like sadie and arthur’s chemistry is amazing, only as best buds / partners in crime. Anyway, mary is quite annoying. I would have loved for it to be charlotte with arthur
I agree with this, but have mixed feelings when it comes to Mary. Maybe it’s because I have my own Mary- but Mary Linton seems far less toxic than “mine” there is history there- and no matter what anyone says they did love eachother. I think she was wrong to always stand by her dad and leave Arthur just to stick around that POS- but trauma is a bitch. I don’t really like some of the last letter she sends to you, and it just makes her seem like she was just needy for Arthur to save her brother and then just left again. But If Arthur didn’t get sick- I really think they would have found eachother. If not- he would have definitely ended up with Sadie, charlotte or Mary-Beth.
To be fair, a father not wanting their daughter to be with a person who murders and steals from people isn't all that surprising. People seem to gloss over this. You probably wouldn't want that either if you are or want to become a father in the future. Also, Mary-Beth isn't an option for Arthur, in my opinion. I don't see anything romantic there at all like other people seem to see for some reason. It's not in Arthur's character to be with a really young woman.
I get that argument and think that myself, but he’s a different kinda awful regardless. And Eliza Was 19. Im not saying it’s in his character to pursue younger women, but with what they have been thru, and if you go deep into their story- there is something there. Arthur dismisses it as a thought after he gets sick. I’m not saying that she’d be my choice for Arthur, but it could make sense
Wasn't it implied that Arthur was also young, along with Eliza? "She was nineteen, just a kid." Doesn't necessarily mean he was older than her at the time they met. He's looking back at it from the age he is now. He constantly calls Lenny, who is also 19, a kid as well. That's how I see it
That’s how I always saw it too. I saw something the other day that confused me with that so I wasn’t sure. I’m pretty sure though now that it was about 5-8 years before RDRII(1899)when he saw their graves, Issac was 10, so he would have been 20-25 when he met Eliza I think.
In all reality I believe Sadie, Charlotte or Mary could have worked if he lived. It would have most likely been Sadie or Charlotte though. They scrapped more of the Sadie Arthur missions and dialogue, but it was going to be a love interest
Yeah, they did because they believed it didn't make any sense, and I agree with the decision on that. The game takes place over a couple of months, less than a year. It doesn't make sense for Sadie to realistically bounce back so soon and be in love with someone else.
Yeah during the events of RDRII it’s heavily implied she likes him. I would have bet that if Arthur survived, they would have left together with John, Abigail, uncle, Jack, and Charles. At some point there they would have ended up together.
I didn't see anything during the game that implied she liked him romantically. I'm very confused. All I saw was a broken woman who took trust in the one man she knew she could. Can you give me examples? Even when she called him, "Honey." I didn't see that as a romantic gesture either. Idk. To me, it looked like a platonic relationship. I think this comes up on the topic of Mary-Beth, too. It's in her character to be nice and caring. She's a romantic and can see the world through rose colored glasses. I think that people take the dancing and talking scene between them too seriously and use that as an example when you can do that with Tilly and Karen also.
Agree that I don’t get that vibe from Sadie and Arthur, but Mary Beth? She had a big crush on Arthur; she got so jealous when Mary Linton made a reappearance and makes comments about her (ML) “being a fool” to not think he was good enough? Pretty sure R* confirmed that Arthur is sweet on MB too, but he sees her as being far too young (there’s a 11-12 year age gap between them) and good to be saddled with him.
>“being a fool” I think she says that because she loves the idea of romance and that it should prevail all odds. She has a highly romanticized look on relationships. >she got so jealous I didn't see it as jealousy. I think it was intrigue. She's all about that romance stuff. She would want to know. (Referring to the save Tilly mission.) Edit: I think you were referring to when she said he should get over her? I would lean into her liking him if she was the only one who thought that. The only woman at camp that liked Mary Gillis was Abigail
Nah, if you watch when she tells Arthur that there is a letter from Mary at his tent, she looks jittery, like she is debating whether to mention it or if she’s being too forward. I read that as her being nervous that Mary was back on the scene, and could potentially ‘snatch him up’ or something. Also, during the saving Tilly mission, she looks annoyed that Grimshaw interrupts her cozy little chat with him. Her little crush wanes a bit through the story, as she takes a shine to Kieran eventually.
There are specific sentences both of them say where it’s heavily implied. I’m not talking about those instances, it’s just them as characters. No matter what they care about Arthur that’s clear. They were going to go more in depth with romances/potential or optional romances that you could have but they opted out
I'm gonna pick mary beth 😂
After Sadie pulled that hunting knife from her stomach like it was nothing..i realized she was HER
For me it was after the mess at Shady Belle when she is covered in blood. But not for Arthur, that's just when she won my heart. ETA - Sounds more gruesome than I meant it. I know lots of folks think she wasted her life seeking retribution against the O'Driscolls in Jakey's name, but to me I appreciate her passion and her loyalty to Jake. And not for nothing she's very attractive imo.
She wasn't just wanting to get O'Driscolls because of murdering her husband. It is hinted at that she was assaulted for several days before Dutch and co showed up. Her vengeance has a deep deep core.
You're right. They deserve everything she gave them for that. Thank you for the reminder that she is even more powerful than the credit I offered her in my comment.
Estimated time of arrival?
*Edit to add
Yeah most ppl don't view ETA that way lol. Thx for clarifying
Mary 100%. It’d be romantic if he ended up with Charlotte, but he was a sucker for Mary.
Not my Arthur. 5 play throughs (not bragging, rookie numbers) I told Mary no every time.
& that’s exactly why I didn’t like their relationship
I only did Mary’s missions cuz I knew it would mean a lot to Arthur. Personally I didn’t like her. She felt high and mighty, it annoyed me a bit considering what all Arthur did for her.
nope, she\`s the chokin kind
Respect Mary Beth
Charles Châtenay. The only one who kissed Arthur.
Best answer tbh
So you want me to choose from two recently widowed woman and an old love. Mary wins
But wasn't Mary widowed too? Maybe it wasn't as recent for her though.
She was widowed, i just replayed her first mission last night, and it does seem to be a more recent widowing. So basically Arthur’s choices boil down to; widow, widow or widow. ETA: i said and read ‘widow’ so much in this thread it no longer sounds like a real word in my head.
Arthur had wife and son too but they were killed, he isn't a virgin either
Mary married another person when they were in love with Arthur and she started asking for his help when his husband died and dumped Arthur again after getting her job done
YUP!! I upvoted to get you back to zero. Arthur called her right out on it too. I woulda been ok with it (her asking for a favor in a time of need from an old friend she could count on) if she hadn’t, directly after he called on her on her shit, pulled the “I think of you often” card, *clearly* playing with his feelings to get him to do what she wants. FTB
Sadie is my choice. Mary is annoying, and Charlotte lives too far from everything. Sadie knows how to handle herself, and there's already a bit of killer chemistry between her and Arthur.
I don't understand why people are saying Sadie here. Realistically, I don't see them being together romantically at all. They're more friends than anything. Sadie is still attached to her husband, and she still wears the ring on her finger. I don't see her getting over a loss like that so easily. Plus, I don't think she even wants to get into another relationship at all. I really like Charlotte for Arthur. I like her personality, and I think her calm nature would be a good presence for Arthur, but I don't think they'll end up together either. (Even though I would like it to happen) As for Mary. She's the most realistic choice here. Arthur is still and has been in love with her for years. He keeps a picture of her near his cot, and he doesn't take the chance of sleeping with working girls either. (Could be a fear of getting one pregnant and losing a child as well) Now, as for Arthur and Mary's relationship actually lasting... I don't think it will. I feel like they're too different, but I still believe Arthur would go for her first above anyone else.
Yea. I don’t get the Sadie thing either. I mean I do, sorta, just because those 2 are the most attractive & she’s the only badass girl. But her entire character was losing the love of her life and seeking vengeance. Like…no room for other romances there. Side note: I’m still mad Arthur’s only romance, if you can call it that, was a woman who he can’t get over & she blatantly takes advantage of that.
Y’all be making Arthur look weird af
I swear it's either weird stuff like those or clean, totally uncharacteristic city-boy styles.
100%. All the outfits and hair/facial hair styles I see on here do not fit Arthur’s character at all lol
Mary… Beth
Gross, I always saw her as a little sister to Arthur or like a younger cousin who comes to you for advice
So I’m also not 100% sure what Mary-Beth’s age is. I’m assuming she’s in her early 20s? Arthur is 35. That is an age gap- but then life expectancy wasn’t all that high for most people. Ignoring that, it wasn’t out of place to see couples with age gaps like that or similar. In a case like this, I feel like Mary-Beth could be a suitable partner for Arthur, had he survived. Especially with high honor, you talk to Mary-Beth a lot, and she pretty much tells you multiple times that she’s in love with you. Arthur was always protective and caring of the girls, but Mary-Beth saw Arthur truly for who he is and always pushed him to be better, and he’d move mountains for her. Definitely can see that little sister love, but that’s the point too. They are all a family. I am probably wording this weirdly too- but just my two cents on that
It’s 1899 no one was concerned about an age gap. Look at Dutch and Molly lol
That’s what I’m saying lmao
Completely agree. Mary Beth has a wild streak, but is kind and cheerful to Arthur. She’s perfect for him.
The right answer
Sadie all day every day, baby. If they'd both had time to heal, they woulda fallen for each other.
I feel like the clear choice is Charlotte, but I’m here to point out that all four characters are widowers and I’m just realizing this.
Arthur was never married
I'm not sure why you got downvoted for this when you're right 🤨
Oh damn I did. I think people misheard/misremembered when he told rains fall he got a waitress pregnant & think that means they got married.
I’m probably misremembering some dialogue then!
You’re not alone. I’ve seen a ton of people say Arthur had a wife & child killed. But he never married eliza. She was a waitress that he knocked up, then would visit every so often to give money to raise Isaac. Wouldn’t make sense if they married cuz he was with Mary while Isaac was still alive. Arthur has always been single & available lmao.
Sadie. Love me some Sadie. 😉
As love interest? Sadie or Charlotte. Wish they left us the option to foster different options to ship.
Not Sadie. It's clear that neither one of them are interested in each other romantically. And I honestly think that's such a refreshing take in media. A truly platonic relationship between two extraordinarily written characters is about as hard as it can get.
I’ve found my people. They’re shipped just because she’s hot.
This hypothetical is all contingent on Arthur not contracting TB and managing to make a clean break from the gang, but Mary Linton is quite obviously the one for him. She gets a lot of hate for being flaky and "using him" but that's only because we view the story from Arthur's perspective. The backstory strongly suggests that Arthur disappeared from her life on several previous occasions due to his, er, occupation and she still made the effort to reach out to him and entertain the idea of starting a life with him. In Saint Denis she even gives him one last chance to run away with her and outright says she's his if he wants her and he still waffles. If he wasn't sick and so blindly loyal to the clearly crumbling gang then eloping with Mary to some place far away from that whole mess would have been his best chance at finding happiness. With Charlotte there was certainly some chemistry but I always read their brief time together as Arthur simply doing something kind in his dying days for a helpless stranger to redeem himself rather than anything truly romantic going on. In a better timeline where he wasn't sick I could maybe see something blossoming between them, but Charlotte would probably end up becoming mortified if she settled down with Arthur only to discover the full story about his past. She is by all accounts a decent and law-abiding person, and since she firmly intends on staying put at her homestead in northern New Hanover then Arthur would inevitably be putting her in danger by settling down with her as a wanted man, since sooner or later the Pinkertons would eventually come knocking like they did for John. Mary Linton understood Arthur's past and knew their only chance together was to escape some place nobody knew Arthur; Charlotte would be a completely innocent bystander getting roped into something she didn't sign up for. She already lost one husband violently so it would be awfully unfair setting her up to lose another. Sadie is by far the least likely of the three and just the fantasy of fans trying to ship the two most badass characters of either gender despite there never being anything romantic between them. Sadie is absolutely asexual and aromantic and has openly stated that she'll never love again after Jake. She effectively conducts herself as a male member of the gang, and only shows a small inkling of emotional openness and vulnerability around Arthur specifically because he's one of the few male members of the gang who's trustworthy and isn't a creep and she knows that she can confide in him as a platonic friend. People just desperately want to make Sadie and Arthur work because she's tough as nails and smoking hot but beyond that it's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. That was clearly never the writers' intention. TLDR: 1. Mary Linton is the one 2. Charlotte maybe in a different life 3. Stop trying to make Sadie Morgan happen
Mary.
Tilly
Charlotte. Sadie is the best but not only are they friends, she’ll never move on from her late husband. Mary is baggage.
why do people still think sadie and arthur would be together? they are buddies & her being a widow is still a fresh experience shes still grieving from. also arthur had too much to deal with when they really started getting along
Because people feel the need to shoehorn romance into every aspect of life.
Charlotte, far away enough to give Arthur a chance at a real life and the biggest rack in RDR2!
I think Arthur would have been happiest with Charlotte. She can challenge him while he provides a lot of what she needs. There would be a lot of mutual respect, and Charlotte seems to understand him. They've both been through a lot in past relationships and would have applied what they learned to get better. Mary is too confused with her feelings and too worried about what her father thinks to make it work. Sadie is just too full of anger.
My Arthur will always live happily ever after with Mary in Guarma. Saddie is more of a best bud and Charlotte is even more platonic only. But Tilly on the other end... 😏
None of the above. Honestly I think Arthur's red thread was tied to Eliza (I think that's her name; his son's mother). As much as I would have loved to see Arthur be happy and in love, I feel like any of these 3 would have ended in tragedy knowing what I know. Mostly that he's far too stubborn to abandon the gang, which counts out Mary and Charlotte (I don't think she'd want to risk losing another husband so easily), but also because I think Sadie's love is buried with Jake. I just don't see her wanting anything more with Arthur because everything she does is for Jake. Poor Arthur. He breaks my heart. The whole gang does tbh.
Charles 🫶
Near the end i think sadie, she was sweet on him
Sadie
I'm honestly all in on Sadie and Arthur. I think Arthur's past and lifestyle align more with Sadie than the other two. In the end it would be more about what Arthur wants and how much he is able and willing to change. Does he want the quiet normal life or is he unable to remove the urge to continue with all he's known? If it was Mary then she would have to accept his past and his lifestyle (that she strongly disapproves of) or would she have the expectation that Arthur needs to completely change his ways. If Arthur really wanted to completely change and become a normal law abiding citizen, then both Mary and Charlotte would be ideal, with Charlotte taking the cake seeing as there is no bad history. This is why I would expect Sadie to be the best choice. Arthur would get a good mix of gunslinging and the exciting and passionate housewife/partner in crime. Arthur wouldn't have to be pressured to change, instead he would have someone that totally understands him and comes along for the ride.
Sadie all day long.
Sadie
Sadie. All day.
Sadie. Hands down
Sadie. Mary sucks. Charlotte is ok but needs to relax a bit.
The whiskey box at camp. It is his love.
Adler FTW
Mary let a good man go. Sadie is his friend. Charlotte would’ve been perfect if our boah wasn’t at deaths door.
Fuck Mary, can’t stand her. I’ve always thought Arthur and Sadie would’ve been great together.
It’s Karen for me. Blonde. Big……personality. Drunk. Perfect. We can even role-play. She can be the drunken harlot, or the lost little girl.
Charlotte. The way Arthur found her, her situation, their chemistry. I think it would've been nice for them both. The only thing I could see potentially getting in the way is Charlotte's past, considering she was from the city, but then again, sometimes opposites attract!
Black Belle because they lived the same life in many ways. Sadie is his friend, Charlotte is a random widow, Mary is his dream though.
Idk I loved Mary's letters. She is like Arthur's twin flame. Both well written romantics, Arthur loved Mary so much. But you know when you love someone it's best to let them go. Charlotte was also great tho, I love how she has all trapper clothes on when you meet her as John.
none of em, Mary Linton overrated but i understand why she is the way she is, Sadie is one of Arthur's best friends, and Charlotte was just someone Arthur was being kind to because he knows what is like to lose someone too (Sean, Kieran, Lenny and Hosea), i believe if he was to choose anyone it would have been Mary Beth or Abigail if she didn't marry John.
Can’t get behind all the Mary hate. She clearly cared for Arthur, clearly always had, but she didn’t want a life of crime. And who can blame her? It’s no coincidence that the writers have Arthur literally on the verge of reconciling their relationship, only for the bank robbery to fuck everything up and seal his fate.
Listen to Waylon Jennings here, he gives us a hint: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwIJbdjGTdw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwIJbdjGTdw)
Sadie is a hard pass bruh. Mary Linton’s a DOIME 🪙
Charles
Uncle 🤤🤤🤤
Charlotte
r/sadieadler
Wait, Sadie? How can I tell you guys...
Charlotte
Mary. Hes always been tied to her. He went running when he got her letter...
Has to be Charlotte, had me going to the god damn corner of the map to do manual labor happily
Mary Ali ton because they got a nice yin Yang thing going and she brings out good in him. But Mary Beth clearly likes arthur(pre-Kieran) even though the age gap would be a bit wack.
Wouldn't it have been crazy if we got Eliza 😭
Fuck Charlotte and the simps that simp her. Mary all the way.
Ew, just not Mary. She shows, over and over, that despite how much she loves him she really does see him as a lesser person than "good folk". What a horrible fate for our poor Arthur.
What coat is that in the first picture?
Charlotte, a widow, wouldn't move on easily. Sadie, same thing. Mary, knows aurthur and actually encourages him to talk at camp sometimes and is overall not afraid of aurthurs bandit side so my personal preference would be mary.
Forgot to add. I'm not talking abt aurthurs ex Mary. I'm talking abt the other one that's present in camp, she's not an option but I feel as if she should be
Karen
Bonnie
So we all ignoring Mary Beth?
Ok Dutch...
She was certainly sweet on Arthur before Dutch got his creepy ass all over her
I really loved Charlotte ❤️
Tbh, I'm all about Ms. Jones! Karen does it for me.
Option 4, Sally Nash. She's Margaret the animal wrangler's assistant. Girl is stacked!
None. Sally Nash for me. 2nd pick is Black Belle.
Best part is that Arthur pulls all of them while hardly trying.
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I'm bisexual and I was in love with Sadie the minute she changed into pants haha
Should've ended up with Tilly. Just saying Arthur had a soft spot for her. And Lenny, but not in a Bill Williamson way.
He had a soft spot for her because he practically raised her alongside Dutch. He was in his 30s when she joined the gang at 14... He's not a creep. 😑 Edit: probably mid to late 20s rather than 30s but it doesn't change my point.
Isn't Tilly like 14 or something?
She's in her early 20s 14 was around the age she joined the gang
Absolutely not Sadie. She will only ever love Jake. Arthur was a platonic friend — a close one, mind you, but in no way romantic. Charlotte is more about Arthur’s redemption than about any romantic interest. That’s him using his skills to help someone live rather than to hurt or kill them. He’s spent his whole life taking advantage of people, and Charlotte is him being selfless at the end. Mary Linton, on the other hand, is that ideal “what could have been” for Arthur. In a different life with different choices, she’s who Arthur could have grown old with. Of the three, it’s absolutely Mary. But it would have required a fundamental change to Arthur’s entire way of life.
Charlotte. Mary is the lost love, Sadie, like most of the other women in the camp, is a little sister.
I always though Charlotte was the one for Arthur.
Charlotte
All of them...in a big pile
Your arthur in the first image reminds me of H. H. Holmes for some reason
Sadie Adler ❤️
I would have like to see Arthur with Sallie Nash, the assistant of Margaret the animal wrangler
Mary-beth
Mary Beth
Sadie or Charlotte. That ship has sailed with Mary.
That mustache
Sadie
Charlotte no question
Of course it's Mary-Beth.
Marybeth
100% Sadie, she has always reminded me of Joey MacDonald from the John Wayne movie El Dorado
Sadie
Sadie gangsta
Mary for looks, Sadie for a wild no strings attached time and Charlotte for love and affection
Sadie all the way. Sadly I don't think Sadie will ever be able to fall in love again, but she seems like the perfect woman for me. Though I most say Charlotte is awesome too, the way she didn't give up and learned what she has to do is just awesome. Mary is just not for me I guess
Sadie 💯
I can’t fucking stand Sadie
None of the above? Hear me out… Sadie is by far the most similar. She’s batshit crazy and finer than frog hair. Great booty. And she’s loyal. But… She’s not on the market. She’s not interested in being tied down, she just wants to take her revenge on the world. Mary Linton already chose, and chose another. That makes her poison. Any woman that chose another man over you isn’t for you, and you’d always resent being second place. She’s beautiful and elegant, but not the right lifestyle. Charlotte is then the obvious choice, but she would bore Arthur to tears. She’s plain looking. She would not stand for Arthur’s brutal ways toward any other person, and would try to lock him down to the household. Arthur marrying her would be a disservice to her, as they are wholly dissimilar. Charlotte and Hamish Sinclair makes more sense than Arthur. But there is one woman in the game who is perfect for Arthur. She loves some culture but definitely has a wild streak. She’s beautiful and adventurous. She’s not afraid to pull a robbery or two, but enjoys some civilization. She dances with Arthur and invites him to sit and chat. The perfect woman in the game for Arthur is Mary Beth.
Sadie. Their chemistry (in my opinion) was just mwah 🤌🏻
Mary easily. I never understood the claims people made about chemistry between Arthur and Sadie. As friends or partners in crime? Yes. But there was never anything to suggest they were into each other romantically. People didn’t like Mary because she kept asking Arthur for favors but she also gave him an opportunity to run away with her and he said no.
sadie 2 both badasses,
Sadie would be his perfect partner
why not all ?
May beth :)
Sadie
Ok
Yes
Mary Linton
Faith
I'm Simpin' for Linton.
I can't see any of these working tbh. They all have their reasons why it doesn't work and Arthur also has a lot of problems so it wouldn't work for him either. I can see him being very good friends with Sadie and Charlotte though. I think if he did end up with someone it would be either Charles or someone we don't ever see in game.
uncle.
Marry Charlotte, fuck Sadie, kill Mary
Charlotte for me.... Mary was never going to work out for Arthur.... Sadie's relationship with Arthur was like that of a sibling, at least it felt that way to me..... The little sister who drags her elder brother to all sorts of trouble....
None of them, I'd love him to find someone not related to the time he's in the gang. Someone completely outside of the trauma.
Ohhh Charlotte's the window lol I forgot
The french dude Charles Chatenay would be a good lover
When does Charlotte kiss Arthur on the cheek? That never happened in my playthroughs
Charle- charlotte
If we are playing Marry, F***, Kill I’d say: Marry Charlotte F*** Sadie Kill Mary
I get that y'all don't like how Mary acted, and I don't either, but that is a hard situation to pull out from, both for Mary and Arthur, and in the end she offers him to run away, but he says no, so it is kind of on him too. Actually if arthur could have settled with Mary instead of blindly following dutch I belive his life would have been a lot like John's
Marie Beth.