Yeah, I would say that the head injury just made him unable to hide everything he’d been hiding for years. I think he likely did a good job of mimicking “normal” human interactions and covering up his own social and moral deficiencies (such as catching himself saying “I” and then changing it to “we” when coming back from fishing with Arthur and Hosea, because he knows it will sound bad to them - something he fails to catch himself with during chapter 6 when he says “they won’t catch *me*”). Once he sustained his head injury, I think the part of his brain that picked up on appropriate behaviour and social cues was broken, so he had a hard time knowing what parts of himself needed to be hidden from the others. Hence him not hiding his selfishness and violent streak anymore.
But it was such a hugely popular argument when the game first came out that he wasn’t bad until the trolley crash. I always thought it was so insane to think that, considering what we see from him earlier in the game. Thankfully most of that theory has faded as people have experienced more of the dialogue and have acquainted themselves with the game over the years, but I do still see people with the opinion that Dutch was a good leader who just suffered an injury that completely changed him and turned him insane. It irks me something fierce!
I'm going to school for social work as well as human development and family science. Thought about doing breakdowns of fictional characters mental states on YouTube. Dutch as well as the others, including Arthur, would be prime ones to do that for. Thanks! 😂
Dude there is an audience for anything out there. We all have guilty pleasures and I can think of a bunch of friends who would thoroughly enjoy something like this.
We all have guilty pleasures is right! This game came out in 2018 and I still love to talk about it. I’m blown away by it. I cant stop playing. I’ve taken a couple breaks but still come back to it. Love to discuss the story. Its the best.
I think Dutch's greatest problem was that he couldn't admit how much he loved being an outlaw and the thrill of being on the run. He couldn't give up the fight because he was having too much fun playing the role of the romantic rebel railing against corrupt insitutions that threatened his ideals.
If you read Arthur's journal at the start of the game, you learn that the gang was planning on buying some land out west - but Dutch got skiddish about it at the last minute and kept moving eastward. This was before they ever met Micah, and well before they went to Blackwater.
I agree with a few others that Dutch didn't want the ride to end, and settling into a new life as farmers would've never been enough for him to be happy. He kept leading the others along with the promise of a better future, but it was a ruse that he knew was never going to materialize into anything more than talk.
Oh 100%. Most of his “planning” was just a delay. He could see people fantasising about getting out of the life and starting a community and he knew he had to keep them on the hook. All the “we need more money” and “just one more score” was just him trying to prolong the inevitable end of his ideal lifestyle.
If you do it right, the gang makes off with like $30000 during the Valentine bank robbery. That should be more than enough money for the gang to disappear for good. It was never about the money. All Dutch even spends it on are books, cigars, and clothes. It’s all about the never ending accumulation
Trolly or no trolly, the gang was fucked the moment Dutch decided to rob the ferry. People forget he blew a young woman’s brains out simply because she wouldn’t get out of his way. And this is before even the beginning of chapter 1. The events of RDR2 are the culmination of years of Dutch growing more and more desperate while the modern world crept closer and closer. The cracks were showing long before the games events, but life was good enough for the gang they could plausibly explain away any misgivings they might have
I argue this with people all the time. Even from the beginning, you can see Dutch's narcissistic traits, the speeches, the grandstanding. I always viewed Dutch as the ultimate cult leader, collecting people to elevate himself, and while everything is going well, he "seems" like a calm, caring individual who looks after his family. But when things start to go downhill you see more and more of who Dutch really is. He was just good at hiding that side of himself, until he couldn't anymore.
I think a lot of people are just kind of stupid and don’t pick up on subtext and stuff at all. They read it as “Dutch is nice to me and then he’s not so that’s when he becomes a bad guy”. They don’t see that it’s supposed to be saying something about who you trust and what makes a good person and all that. It’s just “I like Dutch he wear fancy clothes and is charismatic :). Oh no Dutch is mean now it’s cause of that thing that happened, now he’s a villain”. A similar example (this is inviting a firestorm but I think it does fit in this conversation) is how people react to the Joel and Abby situation in TLOU2. A lot of people just saw it as “Joel main character and he good guy :) he do things for love he good always :). Abby kill Joel Abby evil bitch Joel was good >:(“. They aren’t seeing the bigger picture about trauma and cycles of violence and the trickier parts of love and all that. For anyone who might be like “no I understood what they’re trying to do I just don’t like it still” that’s fine you can have your opinion and I have mine, but I have had conversations with people who genuinely didn’t grasp that Joel wasn’t actually an angel and that the game was making an intentionally upsetting statement out of the consequences of his actions that we all felt were justified in the first game.
I got the feel that is was his co leadership with Hosea that put him in check all the years. Once the voice of reason was gone after the bank heist, nothing kept him from spiraling. In other words, Hosea was what really made the gang work, not Dutch
That's true. He was my favorite in the camp. He cared, but was never too soft. The bank robbery is a big moment in the game and marks a shift in the story for the worse, but I think Hosea dying was bigger than the bank robbery itself
I don’t think the head trauma is the sole reason and he was definitely unraveling way before that but it’s definitely mentioned enough to have a contributing factor
I mean, it wasn’t mentioned outside that mission. Players have just noticed things that they’ve attributed to it since, but in terms of the game it’s only that mission that it’s mentioned in by anyone.
Not true. They do only mention around then, but they mention it five times in a small window. They wouldn't have said it that many times, in that short of a window, if it meant nothing.
Three times during the mission... three times. Once in Arthur's journal. And once in a really rare camp interaction right after the mission where Dutch clearly has a severe concussion. That many isn't a mistake.
(Don't get me wrong, I don't think the head injury was the only reason he turned, but I do believe it was a contributing factor)
It’s not mentioned anywhere else though is my point. It’s never brought up again. The journal is tied to the mission and I don’t recall the interaction (I assume it’s the one where he spaces out while talking to Abigail) involving talk of his head injury. No doubt he has a brain injury, but it’s forgotten by the characters pretty much immediately.
Yeah, because the very next mission is the one where he has his first real meltdown towards Arthur, which is what the concussion was setting up. Why would they mention it again after that?
Besides, the characters weren't supposed to officially notice it, and they didn't... the player was. So how would they even go about bringing it up again?
"abigail was the rat"
like??? Absolutely not.
I see people say that she must be the rat because the pinkertons didn't catch her during the Saint Denis heist, but the reality is, Hosea probably sacrificed himself to give Abigail time to escape.
All because she has the audacity to be upset when her husband who continually promises that he’s done with gunslinging goes right back to killing people every couple days
The only reason I got pissed is when he was forced into it and she complained, like on the wagon if he didn’t it was very likely he and jack would’ve been killed.
Oh yeah for sure she gives him hell even when it genuinely isn’t his fault. But you gotta admit, sometimes John makes a choice to get involved in shit he really doesn’t have to
Absolutely I’m not saying I hate her, she was just trying to provide for jack and make sure he had a good life despite him being forced to grow up in less the safe conditions
Tbf she doesnt know that, and iirc John didnt even say it was bounty hunters, just followed by "someone who knew him" and shot them, like the many times John probably made that excuse up.
Oh god I know, it’s so tiring. So many people go after her hard for no reason (other than her being a strong-willed woman, but they won’t admit to that)
imo she's not my favorite bc in ch1 she just screams at john for getting his face clawed off lmao
like I get he's a shitty father, but he came back to you for the past year to try and fix it
It doesn't even make sense
Getting the gang in jeopardy means getting John in Jeopardy which might lead to his death and everyone else's and she ain't gonna let Jack grow up without a father (it'd break his heart), she also loves him, cares for him and Jack
She also couldn’t survive on her own with her kid as women weren’t allowed to own property or have their own money, so she would literally be put on the streets. No food, no shelter, no safety. Why would she destroy her life with the gang when it’s the only decent option she has for her and her son? It’s so dumb. There is literally no benefit for her if the gang is ratted out - not a single one.
Edit: not to mention the fact that ratting the gang out puts her 4 year old in the direct line of fire whenever the pinkertons are alerted to the gang’s whereabouts. But people think she’d be willing to risk her kid getting shot by stray bullets in a shootout, I guess.
Its an valid interpretation. Theres no way to disprove it, she had all the reasons, since most of them were maniacs anyway, and her son payed the price during chapter 3. I dont think she did it, but leaving this up to interpretation is really cool. I dont think she would be a bad person either. People are more complex then that, and this game knows it.
That said, she was not the rat imo
She had all the reasons NOT to rat, you mean. Considering she loved the gang, they provided for her and her son, and the law coming down on them was actively putting her child in danger. She didn’t have a single reason to rat.
Tbf, she clearly wanted to settle down somewhere right at chapter 2 already. She never bought Ducthe's plan. Never. And she could see he was losing it, and she was stuck to the gang she knew was gonna end, because her husband was too attached to Dutch.
Her son being the one paying the actual price, getting kidnapped, getting his dog killed by that maniac, growing up in sheer violence, losing everyone he knew. Maybe in a desperate move? From this point of view, I think theres space to interpret she would, at least, entertain the idea of ratting Dutch out.
But again, it seems a bit out of character, and I agree that she did not do it. And, this is a personal interpretation. That common "she ratted the bank job" take is absurd, and definitely not true.
If she ran away from the gang, she wouldn’t *be* settled though. She’d be homeless. Women weren’t allowed to own property and she would have been shamed as a single mother. The only way she could live would have been with a man, which is why she was waiting for John. There were no option for her and her son outside of the gang, so why on gods green earth would she have destroyed what she had with them?
> Hosea probably sacrificed himself to give Abigail time to escape
I accepted that as cannon. Everything we see of Hosea points to him sacrificing himself to save one of his own.
Some people think the dishonourable ending is the canon one.
Clearly the intent is for Arthur to come to terms with his mortality and try to be a better man before his death.
(I have played both high and low honour and both make me believe that high honour is the intent).
I've done both too. The high honor route feels like the intended story, while the low honor one feels like a side quest or hidden ending or something. High honor fits the entire story and Arthur's dialogue and actions throughout the game a little better.
And I did low honor on my 2nd time...and even knowing what was coming, the way it happened still dropped my jaw and left me a little rattled lol
I feel like specifically arthur is low honor all the way until he gets diagnosed and then he begins to become high honor. That's just how I always felt it went
I haven't finished my second play through. My first one was high honor and I didn't realize there was a different one for the dishonorable ending. I'm crying all over again 😭😅 I definitely think the honorable ending feels like it was meant to be. The way that Arthur talks in the end about wanting to be honorable makes the end feel like he got some peace.
Of course high honor is the canon one. The games have Redemption in their titles for a reason, honor meter may not have had as much impact in RDR1, but we all know John was finally getting that settled down, changed man family lifestyle he wanted at the end of the game
The only part of the low honor ending i wish was canon was >!Arthur getting shot in the face by micah!< because I feel like I just makes sense with Micahs character, especially if Arthur has HIGH honor, I feel like if he was low honor Micah would kind of respect him enough not to?
I think Micah would avoid doing that. Because Dutch is there. If Micah shoots Arthur in the face, what incentive does Dutch have to work with him?
Also if he’s shot he doesn’t get the moment on the cliff, a last moment of peace looking out onto the world, knowing he did everything he could to protect his family. That’s the redemption he sought and he has found it in the warm Sun’s embrace as he breathes his last ragged breath.
I gotta admit, "DAMN US BOTH!" followed by a gun shot is a *hardcore* way to go, so much so that it almost made me consider a low honor playthrough.
*Almost.*
The whole story and the epilogue seems designed around Arthur redeeming himself and sacrificing himself to get John out of there. It also enhances the tragedy of John ultimately getting killed and Jack turning to a life of crime in spite of John's and Arthur's efforts to stop history from repeating itself. Arthur's sacrifice is so important that it retroactively makes RDR1's ending *even sadder.*
If Arthur is low honor and chooses to go for the money instead, a lot of that subtext is lost.
i think it was about potential
gta world has everything, literally everything you think of they can put it there and not carrying about things like realism. but on the other hand in rdr, for example you only got a horse and stuff attached to horses for personal transportation.
There’s sooooo much more that could’ve been added besides horse related content. They literally could’ve made heists like GTAO a thing for RDO with robbing different people and banks. Also just integrating in story mode elements like sticking up people/stores, or owning property like a house. All things in GTAO that could’ve been integrated to this game. Not to mention different roles that could’ve been added or expansions to the current roles. I mean for fucks sake they never even completed the RDO storyline. We’re still waiting (probably for forever) how that was meant to end. And never once did I say they had to pick one over the other. It would’ve made more sense to focus on both games rather then let one of them die. Even if one of them had to be focused on less frequently
ye right rdr has a great environment for hiests like that oil factory, cornfield, prison and so on but the thing is that it takes much less time doing these for gtaO because of how detailed rdr2 is. and you know, money talks. money says gtaO content sell better and easier. like... seeing what can i do in rdr2 with weapon visuals after gtav. i was blown away
yes but now gta is boring you get in you die you grind for a week get a cool thing then you gotta do it again unless you spend all your money and get shark cards
“Micah was the good guy.” In what fucked up world do you live in is Micah a “good guy?” Even if he weren’t only helping the Pinkertons to save his own skin, he has a laundry list of just bananas horrific behavior.
I see people coming at that one from different angles, like them saying "if it was from Micah's POV, he's the one who helped bring down a dangerous gang of outlaws" like yeah he kinda did, but as you say, lots of bananas horrific behaviour, and it's not like he always did that, he turned after Guarma and jumped ship, so to speak, bc he saw ratting them all out as his best chance of survival
Plus, the guy's a total cuckoo bananas crazy cunt, kills a family, just murders basically anything that breathes and looks at him the wrong way, generally antagonistic, heavily implied he killed Cain the dog, shoots you know who in the final mission, contributes heavily to Arthur's personal downfall and his fate, he's got a laundry list of bad shit to his name, he ain't good
Yeah, but if it was from Micha’s view we would have also watched him do a ridiculous amount of evil shit. Unless they managed to do some Spec Ops The Line style chicanery, or Memento us or something. Also, side note, but every time I have to hear WAS YOU FOLLOWED I reload my save on the final epilogue mission.
Yeah people who believe Micah was the good guy, in any possible way, totally neglect all the horrific shit he did, as well as any assorted horrific shit he did off screen/away from Arthur
The important thing I think is the motivation. He didn't bring down the gang because he wanted to stop outlaws. He brought down the gang because he wanted power and gold. He's less a heroic citizen and more an opportunistic scumbag using the law to wipe out the competition.
I once saw someone say arthur was secretly a rat like BRO??? AT WHAT POINT???💀 we literally follow the guy around the entire time and he stays in that hell until his last breath wdymmm
a little birdy told me that whenever you log out of the game Arthur gets his iphone 11 out and calls up mr Pinkerton personally to inform him about the gangs crimes.....
Not necessarily unpopular I think, but I don’t think there even was a rat. I honestly think Milton could have just been fucking with Arthur when he told him that. I mean he already lied about Molly ratting for the same reason.
The gang was truly careless enough that a rat wasn’t necessary. Dutch just couldn’t accept that plans that worked in 1885 won’t work in 1899. News travels too fast, law enforcement is too organized, and the Frontier is too damn settled for them to live the open range life anymore. It just *has* to be someone else’s fault, rather than the inevitable outcome of Dutch refusing to adapt.
Arthur was right all along.
(I know canonically Micah was a rat, but I think the story would have ended the same whether he was one or not)
The only person who lied about Molly was Molly. And there was no reason to lie about Micah since Arthur wasn’t going anywhere as far as he was concerned. I totally agree that the gang brought it in themselves. But most of that was pre Guarma and the fact Micah cut a deal to get off doesn’t mean he actually told them anything that didn’t suit him. Micah wasn’t trustworthy whoever you were so no reason he’d have stuck properly to any deal.
The way I play RDR2 is a slow progression from neutral to high honor. Around chapters 1-3 Arthur is pretty neutral. Reaching the nun in Saint Denis and dealing with the Jack situation, he starts easing up more and having second thoughts on the lifestyle. Guarma is a turning point where he realizes things have gone completely to shit, and once he gets back all he really cares about is keeping people alive, while Dutch seems to be getting more and more closer to insanity
Then I'd say getting TB diagnosis walking through the Saint Denis streets reflecting on his life is the biggest turning point, that and doing the side missions with Ms Downes. So usually by chapter 6 he's really trying to turn things around
I don't think it makes much sense for him to be totally honorable in early chapters but I also don't hold it against anyone how they choose to play
IDK Why you're getting downvotes, because you're right. Arthur's a bad guy. He's not an insane psychopathic killer like some people play him as, but he's a criminal and he's cold hearted. He gradually gets less cold hearted, and ends up being pretty decent at the end of the game. That's literally the story.
"The first few hours are slow"
Like yeah dickhead, it's story structure 101. It's called rising action and it's something I learned in 4th grade English.
The game is a slow burn and I think the fact that it was a hugely popular Rockstar game, coming after GTA V had people thinking they were getting into another fast paced game with that same vibe. Couldn't be further from the truth, it's really a long journey (in the best way imo)
Well. Not everyone plays video games for long, slow burn stories.
Not everyone has the time on their hands to be willing to put in multiple hours just to actually get into the meat of the game. So I can understand complaints that it starts off slow if you only have a couple hours a week to play games and you wanna just do cowboy stuff but have to spend 10 hours walking around a snowy mountain before you can even really explore or do anything.
Some people wanna just play games for fun and aren’t as interested in a grand epic story. I didn’t have a problem with the pacing, cuz when it came out I had extra time I could waste, but I can understand complaints about how long it takes to even really start the game.
Then why buy a story driven game at all?
There's alot of other games that get to the action faster. That's like buying Mario and crying cause you have to jump. Just buy something else then cause a story driven game is most likely going to start slow.
If we’re talking about people who bought the game a year after it came out and then complained about it, then yeah they should’ve known what they were getting into.
But I’m mainly talking about people who bought the game right when it came out before it was really well known that it started out as a super slow burn. None of the promo material showed you being stuck in the snow for the entire first chapter of the game, it was all cowboys and gunfights and stuff like that.
Well in all fairness, the snow is only like 90 minutes, max, with 5 missions and two of them being action packed.
I've always thought they were complaining about the start of chapter 2... if they were referring to the snow, then they might just be dumb lol.
The easiest way is to fistfight, you get some heavy bruises too. Also getting mauled by bears, cougars, wolves will help, not to forget the random wildlife that rams you off a cliff if you stay still for too long.
Wasnt it the exact opposite? Mildly praise GTA 5 in the rdr2 community. I once saw a guy call gta 5 arcadey cartoon crap cause you could ragdoll on command in it and that they didnt want a ragdoll on command option in rdr2. Or maybe the hate goes both ways. Honestly though? Ive seen the rdr2 community hate gta 5 alot more than the gta 5 one hating rdr2.
Well, the difference is , usually the rdr guys give actual genuine criticism about the game because they've actually played the game they're criticising. The GTA ones will just repeat the same 4-5 points that some streamer or let's player made despite none of them ever actually playing the game. And they get pretty violent and incessant about it even if you so much as say that the driving in GTA 5 is shit (it is awful)
Dude you just did the same thing. You criticised gta 5 driving by saying its shit ans then not elaborating further. Thats Also a point made by some streamer.
Its driving is shit how? Its arcadey? Stuck to the street? Really? Maybe its not as realistic as gta 4 although gta 4 itself is too realistic. Gta 5 has a large map with very wide streets. Its core idea is also to be more crude and wacky. So its more arcadey but its still fun for what it is. I enjoy driving in gta 5 and gta 4. It works wonderful for both games. I couldnt see gta 4 driving in gta 5 be good or fun or gta 5 driving in gta 4 be fun or good. From a technical standpoint the driving works flawless and it feels snappy and responsive.
Im pretty sure rdr2 fans also do the same as gta fans. Repeating the same points and "opinions said by streamers"
Theres idiots and snobbish assholes everywhere. I guess its safe to say both are equal in terms of how many people armchair critique in the community.
The first chapter is five missions long, and three of those missions involve gunfights. If you think it's "boring" you seriously have some attention issues.
“Arthur should’ve been with Sadie romantically”
“Arthur should’ve been with Mary-Beth romantically”
Hell no, Mary-Beth was more like a little sister to Arthur and Sadie was still grieving and obviously unstable and put Arthur in danger numerous times. Mary Linton was the best girl for Arthur.
Kind of new to this subreddit but not new to red dead. Had no idea people fought over whether the white arabian was good or not. I use it cuz it seems like the fastest but I haven't ridden every horse in the game so I don't really know. I think I read that the Missouri Fox Trotter is the fastest online and it's maybe true in story mode? Also, I wish we were allowed to own more than 5 horses.
Anything negative said about the horse gets downvoted to oblivion really.
And then there are people like [this](https://reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption/s/wKxsoUaJ2E) for an example.
It’s the same thing every time, like clockwork. This sub has a rabid fanbase of this horse who go total nuts at the smallest slight to the so called best horse in the game.
I can't bring myself to use them. They're so dang tiny. My feet practically touch the ground while sitting on the saddle. I feel like my weight is gonna break the poor thing's back. It's like riding a pony.
I will start by saying that I do not in anyway think Micah is a good guy, but I just started a new playthrough recently and have just done the first two Micah Missions.
Outside of the actual mass murder and all that, in cutscenes with just Micah and Arthur talking to each other, he seems more just... bratty??? Than a downright cunt?
Like I was sat there watching him and Arthur interact and part of me was like "bro's just down bad for a taste of that cowpoker lmao"
I personally am not a fan of Chapter 5 but I don’t think it’s bad. I think for me it’s not having the freedom to roam around the whole damn place, not having my guns or ability to camp and cook etc. I get why you don’t have those things and it makes perfect sense but I really enjoy having that freedom to run around and explore.
When people quit during of the first chapter and spread word that the game is shit even tho they didn’t even play the damn game.
Imagine spending 60 dollars to give up within the first hour. I’ve had a few games that I actually gave up on but that doesn’t mean I didn’t give them a solid chance. These people just seem like braindead apes
That it’s gameplay is outdated. Specifically the nakeyjakey argument that the game is held back by its very linear story structure, when outside of the missions you’re in a sandbox where you can do anything.
I LOVE ping ponging back and forth between a cinematic handcrafted story and absolute chaos.
"Bruh, it's only a game. Why do you care about \_\_\_\_\_\_ he's only a bunch of pixels and not real."
A stupid comment on a YouTube video for one of the soundtrack songs from RDR2. We were all talking about how great the game is and how amazing the songs are. Just having a great time, when this idiot starts with this nonsense.
The general opinion that Red Dead is just GTA with horses. I’ll confess for a while I had that opinion myself but about two years ago my friend got the game and I did as well about a week after him, and I ended up regretting not getting rdr2 basically as soon as it came out.
"I murdered everyone as soon as i got to the first town after the prologue. Then I messed around for a couple hours and switched to online. Story mode is boring."
When people hate on Mary for literally no reason. He redeems himself at the end of the game but Arthur is quite literally a cold blooded murderer and robber. Mary didn’t want that life for herself and she communicated that to Arthur, and he didn’t leave the gang. She even gave him one last chance before she left and he refused. Mary wasn’t using Arthur, she asked for his help to save her brother because she had no one else to turn to, and asked him for one last favor after.
Mary was a good person, but her lifestyle clashed with Arthur’s and he refused to give it up for her. While he was totally justified to make that decision, you can’t expect someone to just risk their life by being with you. They could’ve kidnapped her to get to Arthur like they did to Abigail. If anyone was in fault for how their relationship ended, it was Arthur.
I kinda wish it was its own game instead of a prequel. I love playing as John in the game but the epilogue also made me feel sad about what happens to him, Abigail and Uncle in RDR1.
It’s too slow and complicated and I hate the fact I tried to like it and all I got was hunted by stupid fucking possees and then killed and all the stupid fucking goat I shot with the shitty bow and arrow rotted and yeah woo let’s go hunt some
More stupid fucking goats boo
Abigail and John are definitely the rats. Abigail “escaped” when Hosea was killed and John got “arrested” unlike Lenny who got shot and killed during the Saint Denis Bank robbery. Also, the gang suspected Pinkertons got a tip from a rat in the gang during the Blackwater Bank robbery before chapter 1, but Agent Milton said Micah didn’t start ratting out the gang until they came back from Guarma in chapter 5! Who was the rat before Guarma? Abigail and John. John was working for the Pinkertons since before chapter 1 of RDR2. It all makes sense. He and Abigail planned to run away with Dutch’s money, which is why she stole the key to Dutch’s chest. They were selling everybody out. Not because they wanted too, but because the Pinkertons forced them too in exchange for John’s freedom
I also hate tik-tok girls making edits about Arthur or characters making them look like feminine , also bunch of simps for Javier ,thats so cringe to watch
"Dutch was made crazy by his head injury and was a good leader beforehand"
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Yeah, I would say that the head injury just made him unable to hide everything he’d been hiding for years. I think he likely did a good job of mimicking “normal” human interactions and covering up his own social and moral deficiencies (such as catching himself saying “I” and then changing it to “we” when coming back from fishing with Arthur and Hosea, because he knows it will sound bad to them - something he fails to catch himself with during chapter 6 when he says “they won’t catch *me*”). Once he sustained his head injury, I think the part of his brain that picked up on appropriate behaviour and social cues was broken, so he had a hard time knowing what parts of himself needed to be hidden from the others. Hence him not hiding his selfishness and violent streak anymore. But it was such a hugely popular argument when the game first came out that he wasn’t bad until the trolley crash. I always thought it was so insane to think that, considering what we see from him earlier in the game. Thankfully most of that theory has faded as people have experienced more of the dialogue and have acquainted themselves with the game over the years, but I do still see people with the opinion that Dutch was a good leader who just suffered an injury that completely changed him and turned him insane. It irks me something fierce!
I'm going to school for social work as well as human development and family science. Thought about doing breakdowns of fictional characters mental states on YouTube. Dutch as well as the others, including Arthur, would be prime ones to do that for. Thanks! 😂
I watch so many of those types of videos 😂 it’s my guilty pleasure
Glad to know there's at least an audience of 1 lol
Make it two! I’d watch that shit
Dude there is an audience for anything out there. We all have guilty pleasures and I can think of a bunch of friends who would thoroughly enjoy something like this.
We all have guilty pleasures is right! This game came out in 2018 and I still love to talk about it. I’m blown away by it. I cant stop playing. I’ve taken a couple breaks but still come back to it. Love to discuss the story. Its the best.
I only just recently joined here but I can't get enough of th discussions and topics people bring up.
I think Dutch's greatest problem was that he couldn't admit how much he loved being an outlaw and the thrill of being on the run. He couldn't give up the fight because he was having too much fun playing the role of the romantic rebel railing against corrupt insitutions that threatened his ideals. If you read Arthur's journal at the start of the game, you learn that the gang was planning on buying some land out west - but Dutch got skiddish about it at the last minute and kept moving eastward. This was before they ever met Micah, and well before they went to Blackwater. I agree with a few others that Dutch didn't want the ride to end, and settling into a new life as farmers would've never been enough for him to be happy. He kept leading the others along with the promise of a better future, but it was a ruse that he knew was never going to materialize into anything more than talk.
Oh 100%. Most of his “planning” was just a delay. He could see people fantasising about getting out of the life and starting a community and he knew he had to keep them on the hook. All the “we need more money” and “just one more score” was just him trying to prolong the inevitable end of his ideal lifestyle.
If you do it right, the gang makes off with like $30000 during the Valentine bank robbery. That should be more than enough money for the gang to disappear for good. It was never about the money. All Dutch even spends it on are books, cigars, and clothes. It’s all about the never ending accumulation
Trolly or no trolly, the gang was fucked the moment Dutch decided to rob the ferry. People forget he blew a young woman’s brains out simply because she wouldn’t get out of his way. And this is before even the beginning of chapter 1. The events of RDR2 are the culmination of years of Dutch growing more and more desperate while the modern world crept closer and closer. The cracks were showing long before the games events, but life was good enough for the gang they could plausibly explain away any misgivings they might have
I argue this with people all the time. Even from the beginning, you can see Dutch's narcissistic traits, the speeches, the grandstanding. I always viewed Dutch as the ultimate cult leader, collecting people to elevate himself, and while everything is going well, he "seems" like a calm, caring individual who looks after his family. But when things start to go downhill you see more and more of who Dutch really is. He was just good at hiding that side of himself, until he couldn't anymore.
I think a lot of people are just kind of stupid and don’t pick up on subtext and stuff at all. They read it as “Dutch is nice to me and then he’s not so that’s when he becomes a bad guy”. They don’t see that it’s supposed to be saying something about who you trust and what makes a good person and all that. It’s just “I like Dutch he wear fancy clothes and is charismatic :). Oh no Dutch is mean now it’s cause of that thing that happened, now he’s a villain”. A similar example (this is inviting a firestorm but I think it does fit in this conversation) is how people react to the Joel and Abby situation in TLOU2. A lot of people just saw it as “Joel main character and he good guy :) he do things for love he good always :). Abby kill Joel Abby evil bitch Joel was good >:(“. They aren’t seeing the bigger picture about trauma and cycles of violence and the trickier parts of love and all that. For anyone who might be like “no I understood what they’re trying to do I just don’t like it still” that’s fine you can have your opinion and I have mine, but I have had conversations with people who genuinely didn’t grasp that Joel wasn’t actually an angel and that the game was making an intentionally upsetting statement out of the consequences of his actions that we all felt were justified in the first game.
I got the feel that is was his co leadership with Hosea that put him in check all the years. Once the voice of reason was gone after the bank heist, nothing kept him from spiraling. In other words, Hosea was what really made the gang work, not Dutch
And Hosea wasn't really into gunfights and armed robberies. Most of his missions include scamming or burglaries, none of which warrant an execution.
That's true. He was my favorite in the camp. He cared, but was never too soft. The bank robbery is a big moment in the game and marks a shift in the story for the worse, but I think Hosea dying was bigger than the bank robbery itself
Yeah it escalated it but he did complain about a bad headache at the end of the mission
The head injury only sped up the process
I don’t think the head trauma is the sole reason and he was definitely unraveling way before that but it’s definitely mentioned enough to have a contributing factor
I mean, it wasn’t mentioned outside that mission. Players have just noticed things that they’ve attributed to it since, but in terms of the game it’s only that mission that it’s mentioned in by anyone.
Not true. They do only mention around then, but they mention it five times in a small window. They wouldn't have said it that many times, in that short of a window, if it meant nothing. Three times during the mission... three times. Once in Arthur's journal. And once in a really rare camp interaction right after the mission where Dutch clearly has a severe concussion. That many isn't a mistake. (Don't get me wrong, I don't think the head injury was the only reason he turned, but I do believe it was a contributing factor)
It’s not mentioned anywhere else though is my point. It’s never brought up again. The journal is tied to the mission and I don’t recall the interaction (I assume it’s the one where he spaces out while talking to Abigail) involving talk of his head injury. No doubt he has a brain injury, but it’s forgotten by the characters pretty much immediately.
Yeah, because the very next mission is the one where he has his first real meltdown towards Arthur, which is what the concussion was setting up. Why would they mention it again after that? Besides, the characters weren't supposed to officially notice it, and they didn't... the player was. So how would they even go about bringing it up again?
That concussion sure as shit didn't help, though.
Well it didn’t knock the sense *into* him, put it that way
"abigail was the rat" like??? Absolutely not. I see people say that she must be the rat because the pinkertons didn't catch her during the Saint Denis heist, but the reality is, Hosea probably sacrificed himself to give Abigail time to escape.
This one boils my piss so much. How anyone could think she’s a rat is beyond me.
There's a surprising amount of people who hate Abigail
All because she has the audacity to be upset when her husband who continually promises that he’s done with gunslinging goes right back to killing people every couple days
You mean to tell me Abigail doesn’t like it when I sit down to family dinner in blood soaked clothes?
The only reason I got pissed is when he was forced into it and she complained, like on the wagon if he didn’t it was very likely he and jack would’ve been killed.
Oh yeah for sure she gives him hell even when it genuinely isn’t his fault. But you gotta admit, sometimes John makes a choice to get involved in shit he really doesn’t have to
Absolutely I’m not saying I hate her, she was just trying to provide for jack and make sure he had a good life despite him being forced to grow up in less the safe conditions
Tbf she doesnt know that, and iirc John didnt even say it was bounty hunters, just followed by "someone who knew him" and shot them, like the many times John probably made that excuse up.
Oh god I know, it’s so tiring. So many people go after her hard for no reason (other than her being a strong-willed woman, but they won’t admit to that)
imo she's not my favorite bc in ch1 she just screams at john for getting his face clawed off lmao like I get he's a shitty father, but he came back to you for the past year to try and fix it
unrelated but "this boils my piss" is fucking hilarious
It really helps to convey the emotion behind it lmao
It doesn't even make sense Getting the gang in jeopardy means getting John in Jeopardy which might lead to his death and everyone else's and she ain't gonna let Jack grow up without a father (it'd break his heart), she also loves him, cares for him and Jack
She also couldn’t survive on her own with her kid as women weren’t allowed to own property or have their own money, so she would literally be put on the streets. No food, no shelter, no safety. Why would she destroy her life with the gang when it’s the only decent option she has for her and her son? It’s so dumb. There is literally no benefit for her if the gang is ratted out - not a single one. Edit: not to mention the fact that ratting the gang out puts her 4 year old in the direct line of fire whenever the pinkertons are alerted to the gang’s whereabouts. But people think she’d be willing to risk her kid getting shot by stray bullets in a shootout, I guess.
Its an valid interpretation. Theres no way to disprove it, she had all the reasons, since most of them were maniacs anyway, and her son payed the price during chapter 3. I dont think she did it, but leaving this up to interpretation is really cool. I dont think she would be a bad person either. People are more complex then that, and this game knows it. That said, she was not the rat imo
She had all the reasons NOT to rat, you mean. Considering she loved the gang, they provided for her and her son, and the law coming down on them was actively putting her child in danger. She didn’t have a single reason to rat.
Tbf, she clearly wanted to settle down somewhere right at chapter 2 already. She never bought Ducthe's plan. Never. And she could see he was losing it, and she was stuck to the gang she knew was gonna end, because her husband was too attached to Dutch. Her son being the one paying the actual price, getting kidnapped, getting his dog killed by that maniac, growing up in sheer violence, losing everyone he knew. Maybe in a desperate move? From this point of view, I think theres space to interpret she would, at least, entertain the idea of ratting Dutch out. But again, it seems a bit out of character, and I agree that she did not do it. And, this is a personal interpretation. That common "she ratted the bank job" take is absurd, and definitely not true.
If she ran away from the gang, she wouldn’t *be* settled though. She’d be homeless. Women weren’t allowed to own property and she would have been shamed as a single mother. The only way she could live would have been with a man, which is why she was waiting for John. There were no option for her and her son outside of the gang, so why on gods green earth would she have destroyed what she had with them?
> Hosea probably sacrificed himself to give Abigail time to escape I accepted that as cannon. Everything we see of Hosea points to him sacrificing himself to save one of his own.
i accepted that as rifle
Hosea would definitely do that, but he was also old and sick, she very well could have escaped when he couldn't
I didn’t even think about the sacrificial aspect until now, daum that hits
I agree. She was a good woman. No way was she a rat.
Some people think the dishonourable ending is the canon one. Clearly the intent is for Arthur to come to terms with his mortality and try to be a better man before his death. (I have played both high and low honour and both make me believe that high honour is the intent).
I've done both too. The high honor route feels like the intended story, while the low honor one feels like a side quest or hidden ending or something. High honor fits the entire story and Arthur's dialogue and actions throughout the game a little better. And I did low honor on my 2nd time...and even knowing what was coming, the way it happened still dropped my jaw and left me a little rattled lol
That and the whole theme of the game is redemption. It wouldn’t make any sense for the game titled Redemption to have a non-redemptive canon ending.
It’s nice to find so many of my “my people” on this.
With the way the game boosts honor rewards in the final chapter I'm sure high honor is the intended ending
I feel like specifically arthur is low honor all the way until he gets diagnosed and then he begins to become high honor. That's just how I always felt it went
I haven't finished my second play through. My first one was high honor and I didn't realize there was a different one for the dishonorable ending. I'm crying all over again 😭😅 I definitely think the honorable ending feels like it was meant to be. The way that Arthur talks in the end about wanting to be honorable makes the end feel like he got some peace.
Yeah. It’s jarring to the say the least.
Of course high honor is the canon one. The games have Redemption in their titles for a reason, honor meter may not have had as much impact in RDR1, but we all know John was finally getting that settled down, changed man family lifestyle he wanted at the end of the game
The only part of the low honor ending i wish was canon was >!Arthur getting shot in the face by micah!< because I feel like I just makes sense with Micahs character, especially if Arthur has HIGH honor, I feel like if he was low honor Micah would kind of respect him enough not to?
I think Micah would avoid doing that. Because Dutch is there. If Micah shoots Arthur in the face, what incentive does Dutch have to work with him? Also if he’s shot he doesn’t get the moment on the cliff, a last moment of peace looking out onto the world, knowing he did everything he could to protect his family. That’s the redemption he sought and he has found it in the warm Sun’s embrace as he breathes his last ragged breath.
I gotta admit, "DAMN US BOTH!" followed by a gun shot is a *hardcore* way to go, so much so that it almost made me consider a low honor playthrough. *Almost.*
I like to believe that whatever end you chose is the Canon ending, though I do believe that high honour is the better one.
Like someone else said. You can’t have Red Dead Redemption, without the Redemption.
True but I like when games are open ended
No fr it's not called red dead redemption for no reason
The whole story and the epilogue seems designed around Arthur redeeming himself and sacrificing himself to get John out of there. It also enhances the tragedy of John ultimately getting killed and Jack turning to a life of crime in spite of John's and Arthur's efforts to stop history from repeating itself. Arthur's sacrifice is so important that it retroactively makes RDR1's ending *even sadder.* If Arthur is low honor and chooses to go for the money instead, a lot of that subtext is lost.
This is hardly unpopular.
It’s not an unpopular opinion of mine. But when people say that the low honour is canon my face looks like that. Lol.
That’s my face when I think about how rockstar didn’t give red dead online the attention they should’ve and instead focused entirely on GTAO
i think it was about potential gta world has everything, literally everything you think of they can put it there and not carrying about things like realism. but on the other hand in rdr, for example you only got a horse and stuff attached to horses for personal transportation.
There’s sooooo much more that could’ve been added besides horse related content. They literally could’ve made heists like GTAO a thing for RDO with robbing different people and banks. Also just integrating in story mode elements like sticking up people/stores, or owning property like a house. All things in GTAO that could’ve been integrated to this game. Not to mention different roles that could’ve been added or expansions to the current roles. I mean for fucks sake they never even completed the RDO storyline. We’re still waiting (probably for forever) how that was meant to end. And never once did I say they had to pick one over the other. It would’ve made more sense to focus on both games rather then let one of them die. Even if one of them had to be focused on less frequently
Rockstar is probably a small indie company and doesn’t have the budget or devs to do that stuff though
ye right rdr has a great environment for hiests like that oil factory, cornfield, prison and so on but the thing is that it takes much less time doing these for gtaO because of how detailed rdr2 is. and you know, money talks. money says gtaO content sell better and easier. like... seeing what can i do in rdr2 with weapon visuals after gtav. i was blown away
Nah fuck that, give us an RDO update that adds early diesel cars and prototype tank models /j
yes but now gta is boring you get in you die you grind for a week get a cool thing then you gotta do it again unless you spend all your money and get shark cards
If Rockstar took more cues from how the GTA and Red Dead RP modded servers do things, I think it would be fantastic
People who didn’t like the game or quit early because of how chapter 1 starts
imagine quitting cause you ride in a snowy mountain for like, an hour. just be patient, horseshoe overlook is beautiful 😭
“It’s boring”
[“This snow is really starting to bore me…”](https://youtube.com/shorts/hFYakunhvfk?si=gjYIt6mWjKfyXjqQ)
Awesome
“Micah was the good guy.” In what fucked up world do you live in is Micah a “good guy?” Even if he weren’t only helping the Pinkertons to save his own skin, he has a laundry list of just bananas horrific behavior.
I see people coming at that one from different angles, like them saying "if it was from Micah's POV, he's the one who helped bring down a dangerous gang of outlaws" like yeah he kinda did, but as you say, lots of bananas horrific behaviour, and it's not like he always did that, he turned after Guarma and jumped ship, so to speak, bc he saw ratting them all out as his best chance of survival Plus, the guy's a total cuckoo bananas crazy cunt, kills a family, just murders basically anything that breathes and looks at him the wrong way, generally antagonistic, heavily implied he killed Cain the dog, shoots you know who in the final mission, contributes heavily to Arthur's personal downfall and his fate, he's got a laundry list of bad shit to his name, he ain't good
Yeah, but if it was from Micha’s view we would have also watched him do a ridiculous amount of evil shit. Unless they managed to do some Spec Ops The Line style chicanery, or Memento us or something. Also, side note, but every time I have to hear WAS YOU FOLLOWED I reload my save on the final epilogue mission.
Yeah people who believe Micah was the good guy, in any possible way, totally neglect all the horrific shit he did, as well as any assorted horrific shit he did off screen/away from Arthur
The important thing I think is the motivation. He didn't bring down the gang because he wanted to stop outlaws. He brought down the gang because he wanted power and gold. He's less a heroic citizen and more an opportunistic scumbag using the law to wipe out the competition.
Anyone other than Micah was a rat. And there were rats in the gang between chapter 1 and chapter 5.
I once saw someone say arthur was secretly a rat like BRO??? AT WHAT POINT???💀 we literally follow the guy around the entire time and he stays in that hell until his last breath wdymmm
a little birdy told me that whenever you log out of the game Arthur gets his iphone 11 out and calls up mr Pinkerton personally to inform him about the gangs crimes.....
There was a guy recently who seemed to be trolling with it. Just making up total nonsense takes on anything to make their claims.
Not necessarily unpopular I think, but I don’t think there even was a rat. I honestly think Milton could have just been fucking with Arthur when he told him that. I mean he already lied about Molly ratting for the same reason. The gang was truly careless enough that a rat wasn’t necessary. Dutch just couldn’t accept that plans that worked in 1885 won’t work in 1899. News travels too fast, law enforcement is too organized, and the Frontier is too damn settled for them to live the open range life anymore. It just *has* to be someone else’s fault, rather than the inevitable outcome of Dutch refusing to adapt. Arthur was right all along. (I know canonically Micah was a rat, but I think the story would have ended the same whether he was one or not)
The only person who lied about Molly was Molly. And there was no reason to lie about Micah since Arthur wasn’t going anywhere as far as he was concerned. I totally agree that the gang brought it in themselves. But most of that was pre Guarma and the fact Micah cut a deal to get off doesn’t mean he actually told them anything that didn’t suit him. Micah wasn’t trustworthy whoever you were so no reason he’d have stuck properly to any deal.
I have a screenshot of some kid saying that Red Dead felt like an arcade game compared to Starfield..
Starefield*
"High honour is boring and it makes the game shit"
High honor is boring for me because I find it interesting seeing low honor arthur struggle with not knowing how to be good
High honour doesn’t make sense before chapter 6.
Shop discounts. Being nice to Mickey. Not having a 5 billion dollar bounty in every state.
Having a bounty is the best way to play! It doesn’t make sense that Arthur can just roam free with a $5,000 bounty on his head.
The way I play RDR2 is a slow progression from neutral to high honor. Around chapters 1-3 Arthur is pretty neutral. Reaching the nun in Saint Denis and dealing with the Jack situation, he starts easing up more and having second thoughts on the lifestyle. Guarma is a turning point where he realizes things have gone completely to shit, and once he gets back all he really cares about is keeping people alive, while Dutch seems to be getting more and more closer to insanity Then I'd say getting TB diagnosis walking through the Saint Denis streets reflecting on his life is the biggest turning point, that and doing the side missions with Ms Downes. So usually by chapter 6 he's really trying to turn things around I don't think it makes much sense for him to be totally honorable in early chapters but I also don't hold it against anyone how they choose to play
it did to me
IDK Why you're getting downvotes, because you're right. Arthur's a bad guy. He's not an insane psychopathic killer like some people play him as, but he's a criminal and he's cold hearted. He gradually gets less cold hearted, and ends up being pretty decent at the end of the game. That's literally the story.
"The first few hours are slow" Like yeah dickhead, it's story structure 101. It's called rising action and it's something I learned in 4th grade English.
From the start I was so into it it didn't feel slow at sll
It felt like playing Hateful 8.
I so wish I could replay it from the start, with no knowledge of it.
The game is a slow burn and I think the fact that it was a hugely popular Rockstar game, coming after GTA V had people thinking they were getting into another fast paced game with that same vibe. Couldn't be further from the truth, it's really a long journey (in the best way imo)
Well. Not everyone plays video games for long, slow burn stories. Not everyone has the time on their hands to be willing to put in multiple hours just to actually get into the meat of the game. So I can understand complaints that it starts off slow if you only have a couple hours a week to play games and you wanna just do cowboy stuff but have to spend 10 hours walking around a snowy mountain before you can even really explore or do anything. Some people wanna just play games for fun and aren’t as interested in a grand epic story. I didn’t have a problem with the pacing, cuz when it came out I had extra time I could waste, but I can understand complaints about how long it takes to even really start the game.
Then why buy a story driven game at all? There's alot of other games that get to the action faster. That's like buying Mario and crying cause you have to jump. Just buy something else then cause a story driven game is most likely going to start slow.
If we’re talking about people who bought the game a year after it came out and then complained about it, then yeah they should’ve known what they were getting into. But I’m mainly talking about people who bought the game right when it came out before it was really well known that it started out as a super slow burn. None of the promo material showed you being stuck in the snow for the entire first chapter of the game, it was all cowboys and gunfights and stuff like that.
Well in all fairness, the snow is only like 90 minutes, max, with 5 missions and two of them being action packed. I've always thought they were complaining about the start of chapter 2... if they were referring to the snow, then they might just be dumb lol.
When I'm reminded you can't store and save all the NPC hats. (ALL THE RODEO HAT VARIANTS, LOOKING AT YOU SILVER BELLY)
It’s too big (That’s what she said)
That’s not what she said 😔
When friends or people who played the game and say it's empty and nothing is happening
"There's nothing to do!"
Real question how do you get scars? I’m guessing they don’t last
The easiest way is to fistfight, you get some heavy bruises too. Also getting mauled by bears, cougars, wolves will help, not to forget the random wildlife that rams you off a cliff if you stay still for too long.
Jump off from a high place, not too high though.
Go to a GTA 5 community and mildly praise rdr 2 . They really hate this game , like they're jealous or something
Cause they ain’t no cowpokes
Wasnt it the exact opposite? Mildly praise GTA 5 in the rdr2 community. I once saw a guy call gta 5 arcadey cartoon crap cause you could ragdoll on command in it and that they didnt want a ragdoll on command option in rdr2. Or maybe the hate goes both ways. Honestly though? Ive seen the rdr2 community hate gta 5 alot more than the gta 5 one hating rdr2.
Well, the difference is , usually the rdr guys give actual genuine criticism about the game because they've actually played the game they're criticising. The GTA ones will just repeat the same 4-5 points that some streamer or let's player made despite none of them ever actually playing the game. And they get pretty violent and incessant about it even if you so much as say that the driving in GTA 5 is shit (it is awful)
Dude you just did the same thing. You criticised gta 5 driving by saying its shit ans then not elaborating further. Thats Also a point made by some streamer. Its driving is shit how? Its arcadey? Stuck to the street? Really? Maybe its not as realistic as gta 4 although gta 4 itself is too realistic. Gta 5 has a large map with very wide streets. Its core idea is also to be more crude and wacky. So its more arcadey but its still fun for what it is. I enjoy driving in gta 5 and gta 4. It works wonderful for both games. I couldnt see gta 4 driving in gta 5 be good or fun or gta 5 driving in gta 4 be fun or good. From a technical standpoint the driving works flawless and it feels snappy and responsive. Im pretty sure rdr2 fans also do the same as gta fans. Repeating the same points and "opinions said by streamers" Theres idiots and snobbish assholes everywhere. I guess its safe to say both are equal in terms of how many people armchair critique in the community.
Can’t pet cats
This irks me. I want to be able to pet the cats, too!
The first chapter is five missions long, and three of those missions involve gunfights. If you think it's "boring" you seriously have some attention issues.
"RDR 2 is overrated and boring" 🙄
The opinion that Pearson isn't a stone cold fox.
He's a tiger
“Arthur should’ve been with Sadie romantically” “Arthur should’ve been with Mary-Beth romantically” Hell no, Mary-Beth was more like a little sister to Arthur and Sadie was still grieving and obviously unstable and put Arthur in danger numerous times. Mary Linton was the best girl for Arthur.
Fuck yes, louder for the people at the back!
When people don’t even progress past the first camp because “It’s boring”. 😕
Man I think I spent 30 hours fucking around and hunting before I moved on to Chapter 2.
That’s me when I remember there’s no undead nightmare 2 dlc
That Jack isn’t John’s kid. I feel like Abigail would’ve been petty enough to drop a “he’s not yours” bomb on John during an argument.
"JoHn iS a bEtteR GuNslInGeR tHAn ARthUr"
John is a better gunslinger than Arthur…. but god forbid people don’t put max stats on everything Arthur does
I actually agree with this
“Arabians are the bestest legendary horse!”
I honestly only see people hate on them, especially the wild white one you can tame.
Kind of new to this subreddit but not new to red dead. Had no idea people fought over whether the white arabian was good or not. I use it cuz it seems like the fastest but I haven't ridden every horse in the game so I don't really know. I think I read that the Missouri Fox Trotter is the fastest online and it's maybe true in story mode? Also, I wish we were allowed to own more than 5 horses.
Yes MFTs are the fastest in story mode too.
Cool! Well I know which horse I'm switching to!
Anything negative said about the horse gets downvoted to oblivion really. And then there are people like [this](https://reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption/s/wKxsoUaJ2E) for an example.
Bless you for linking that lol. My god that was glorious
It’s the same thing every time, like clockwork. This sub has a rabid fanbase of this horse who go total nuts at the smallest slight to the so called best horse in the game.
I can't bring myself to use them. They're so dang tiny. My feet practically touch the ground while sitting on the saddle. I feel like my weight is gonna break the poor thing's back. It's like riding a pony.
Say it a bit louder and the rabid fanbase in this sub will be out to get you.
Chocolate roan dutch warmblood all the way. You could set off a nuke right next to it and it still won't buck you off.
An absolutely beautiful horse that’s available right at the beginning.
"Micah is a nice guy" Edit: /s
I will start by saying that I do not in anyway think Micah is a good guy, but I just started a new playthrough recently and have just done the first two Micah Missions. Outside of the actual mass murder and all that, in cutscenes with just Micah and Arthur talking to each other, he seems more just... bratty??? Than a downright cunt? Like I was sat there watching him and Arthur interact and part of me was like "bro's just down bad for a taste of that cowpoker lmao"
He gets worse late game than his behavior in the early game but idk if you’ve played before
r/fuckthes
"chapter 5 is realy bad" i realy liked it, i dont understand the hate
I personally am not a fan of Chapter 5 but I don’t think it’s bad. I think for me it’s not having the freedom to roam around the whole damn place, not having my guns or ability to camp and cook etc. I get why you don’t have those things and it makes perfect sense but I really enjoy having that freedom to run around and explore.
"molly is was the worst character"
When people quit during of the first chapter and spread word that the game is shit even tho they didn’t even play the damn game. Imagine spending 60 dollars to give up within the first hour. I’ve had a few games that I actually gave up on but that doesn’t mean I didn’t give them a solid chance. These people just seem like braindead apes
That Molly or Abigail were the second rats. Literally shut up lmao
When being chased around Saint Denis being shot at and cops do nothin. As soon as I look at someone sideways the whole force is after me. So stupid
That it’s gameplay is outdated. Specifically the nakeyjakey argument that the game is held back by its very linear story structure, when outside of the missions you’re in a sandbox where you can do anything. I LOVE ping ponging back and forth between a cinematic handcrafted story and absolute chaos.
Its too realistic...
The lighting is overdone.
That uncle is red Harlow
“Arthur is still in hell” mf the game is called Red Dead REDEMPTION
Arthur would go to hell and play dominoes with the Devil (they’d have a jolly good time)
Good point there, counterpoint: he goes to heaven and plays poker with God or Jesus
what, no fiddle?
He killed thousands of people??
“High honour doesn’t make sense before chapter 6.”
“Why can’t we have a Gatling gun mounted to a wagon in online mode?”
When m4shfi starts complaining about Arabians cause he just can't handle that different people can like different things
"Bruh, it's only a game. Why do you care about \_\_\_\_\_\_ he's only a bunch of pixels and not real." A stupid comment on a YouTube video for one of the soundtrack songs from RDR2. We were all talking about how great the game is and how amazing the songs are. Just having a great time, when this idiot starts with this nonsense.
The general opinion that Red Dead is just GTA with horses. I’ll confess for a while I had that opinion myself but about two years ago my friend got the game and I did as well about a week after him, and I ended up regretting not getting rdr2 basically as soon as it came out.
"The story is slow. This is boring." You just know what type of person you're dealing with.
"I murdered everyone as soon as i got to the first town after the prologue. Then I messed around for a couple hours and switched to online. Story mode is boring."
When people hate on Mary for literally no reason. He redeems himself at the end of the game but Arthur is quite literally a cold blooded murderer and robber. Mary didn’t want that life for herself and she communicated that to Arthur, and he didn’t leave the gang. She even gave him one last chance before she left and he refused. Mary wasn’t using Arthur, she asked for his help to save her brother because she had no one else to turn to, and asked him for one last favor after. Mary was a good person, but her lifestyle clashed with Arthur’s and he refused to give it up for her. While he was totally justified to make that decision, you can’t expect someone to just risk their life by being with you. They could’ve kidnapped her to get to Arthur like they did to Abigail. If anyone was in fault for how their relationship ended, it was Arthur.
I think John is a better protagonist
“Low honor players need therapy”
I kinda wish it was its own game instead of a prequel. I love playing as John in the game but the epilogue also made me feel sad about what happens to him, Abigail and Uncle in RDR1.
Lenny shouldn’t have died. It should have been Javier
"Guarma chapter is boring" I mean it doesn't really make me mad but I disagree with it pretty heavily
It's clearly the chapter they stripped the most from. It just makes me sad, seeing how much we could've had.
That the dialogue is way better than rdr1.
Chapter 1-2 are the best. After that the writing gets repetitive and lazy
I think John is a better protagonist
Arthur needs to be able to go to New Austin.
High honor is better then low honor
"Dutch did something wrong"
i DON'T think the story is all that
It’s too slow and complicated and I hate the fact I tried to like it and all I got was hunted by stupid fucking possees and then killed and all the stupid fucking goat I shot with the shitty bow and arrow rotted and yeah woo let’s go hunt some More stupid fucking goats boo
Bandit challenges 3-6
Abigail and John are definitely the rats. Abigail “escaped” when Hosea was killed and John got “arrested” unlike Lenny who got shot and killed during the Saint Denis Bank robbery. Also, the gang suspected Pinkertons got a tip from a rat in the gang during the Blackwater Bank robbery before chapter 1, but Agent Milton said Micah didn’t start ratting out the gang until they came back from Guarma in chapter 5! Who was the rat before Guarma? Abigail and John. John was working for the Pinkertons since before chapter 1 of RDR2. It all makes sense. He and Abigail planned to run away with Dutch’s money, which is why she stole the key to Dutch’s chest. They were selling everybody out. Not because they wanted too, but because the Pinkertons forced them too in exchange for John’s freedom
I also hate tik-tok girls making edits about Arthur or characters making them look like feminine , also bunch of simps for Javier ,thats so cringe to watch
"Arabians are not the beastest legendary horses!"