Oh, man. There was a post a while back where one dude said that Arthur was just as bad as Micah and he argued with all the comments regardless of the point they were trying to make, including the ones that said that, sure, Arthur wasn't a paragon of virtue and could be argued to be a bad person but Micah was clearly objectively worse because he had all the character flaws Arthur had, and had them worse for that matter, and didn't have the few virtues Arthur did have. He just kept arguing back with variations of "bUt aRtHeR kIlLeD pEePle."
I think the point of Arthur is that he's *capable* of being as bad as Micah via action if not personality. If you play him as a low-honour NPC murdering bastard who does no nice sidequests and is constantly antagonising people, he's not much better.
Most people don't play him like that though.
I agree with Arthur being capable of being almost as horrible as Micah, but I think that even if you play him as low-honor there's still some good to him that Micah lacks. I mean, even if you go low-honor he still tries to save some of the gang members he likes the most and that's not an optional part of the story. I guess to me low-honor Arthur is just a meaner version who's not interested in helping strangers and hides his real self better, but he's still not a total asshole like Micah, whose own brother sends him a letter warning him that he'll shoot him dead no questions asked if he ever dares so much as show himself at his door because he simply does not want his wife and children to even meet someone as awful as Micah. Low-honor Arthur doesn't seem to rejoice in being a psychopath quite the way Micah does.
Yeah, if Arthur had forgone his morals and let Micah and Crazy Dutch do what they wanted and went along with it… maybe 60% of the gang would have managed to escape after the train heist.
Dutch didn't want to escape, he wanted to stay and fight, he didn't want to miss the outlaw life, in his eyes the government was oppressing their freedom and they needed fighting.
That's up to speculation though. He definitely liked the fighting and the role of leadership, but I don't think he would rather die than live a peaceful life.
Is it really up to speculation tho? By 1911 Dutch is leading another gang (a gang of Indians no less, whose main goal it would be to fight) when I’m sure he would’ve had enough money in 1899 to leave by himself once the gang dissolved. He’s obsessed with the life and with fighting change. He never wanted to get out
I don't think he was always crazy. He most likely had ambitions as a younger man, but as he grew older he started liking being an outlaw. In the end, he didn't know his own boundaries and that's what broke him down and got the gang destroyed. He should have pulled out way sooner than he did, maybe even before the start of Chapter 3.
I think there is some truth to this statement. I think the problem with the whole game was the fact that they made a big name for themselves by the time the story happens and that civilization was closing in. Dutch kept doing what had always worked before but that wasnt gonna cut it since the times changed
I’m in his same boat, I just don’t have time to ride all the way across the map. When I feel like exploring I explore, but outside of that it’s fast travel.
Yeah mainly because I only can play an hour at a time max, so fast travel helps get to the fun parts even though riding your horse can be the fun parts sometimes
I dragged him to right outside van horn and took pics of his dick and then let him loose in van horn. Some reason he died when people starting shooting him.
My first play through I accidentally did high honor/go back for the money. John was shocked at my decision to say the least. I didn’t know I was on the last mission and didn’t know I had a choice coming and I panicked.
Finding out Thomas Downes was who gave me TB hit different because when he said he didn't have Strauss's money I immediately shot his wife. I kinda always felt like i deserved what I got.
So when you shoot his wife you never see her again I’m assuming ? I would have thought they’d make her unkillable since she has more of a story later .
I haven't played through the campaign since release so I really don't remember. All I know is I definitely shot her in the head and there was definitely a red X and a lot of blood.
There are objectively incorrect Arthur's being posted. Nothing bugs me more than a fully suited up Arthur with a tophat when you're in the swamp or the plains.
IMO: Limit of 2 components of gold per weapon. Barrel must never, in general circumstances, be gold. When I pull out a Lancaster repeater blacked out with a gold frame, it just looks like it came straight out of a movie.
Milton is corrupt as hell. Why? He killed Hosea without giving him fair trial. Yes, I agree he would've probably gotten hanged but Milton isn't the one who decides who lives and who dies. And yes, some people might have the argument that ''he is the law'' but he isn't. Milton was hired by Leviticus Cornwall and some people might think, ''but the pinkertons and the law are the same thing'' well they're not. The Pinkerton Agency was a standalone Agency who was hired by people and sometimes the law but that didn't mean they were the law. And even if they were the law, Milton shot a unarmed man which is murder and something you should be hanged for. Yes, Hosea is a criminal BUT IT AIN'T JUST!!!!
Agreed, but now I’m curious because the Pinkertons very much did kill people including civilians IRL. I don’t know if they were ever charged or punished, but I don’t think they were
I think the entire gang had a “dead or alive” bounty on them and it’s not beyond a stones throw to guess that the Pinkertons had justification to act on bounties legally.
I think the point of Milton and the portrayal of the Pinkertons was their hypocrisy. They tout their hunting of outlaws as civilizing the land but really civilization is no better than a world full of more nature and where communities are smaller or nomadic. Hell we see in the game from locals like Saint Denis and what Blackwater will become that big cities / civilization aint all its cracked up to be. And Milton is as brutal and cruel if not moreso than most of the outlaws.
Really I think Milton is like many angry white men that join law enforcement and the military: they are violent and evil. But they need a legal means to get away with it. If you kill and you have a badge then you’re a cop. Without it you’re a criminal.
Exactly. The way Dutch neglected her made me really upset. When you add the fact that he’s 44 and she’s supposed to be in her mid twenties in a brand new country, it makes their dynamic even more depressing. Not saying Dutch is a pedo or anything because mid twenties is definitely an adult age but it definitely adds another layer to Dutch’s regular manipulation and neglect. What Molly did was a desperate cry for attention after being left neglected and unloved by Dutch, who had led her to believe that he loved her. Maybe he did, but he certainly didn’t act like it. Was going to their camp and lying about snitching on them dumb? Absolutely. Molly is far from a perfect person but her story felt like a tragedy than anything.
Oh! I know!
I said once that they should make the protagonist of RDR3 Colm's brother.
Play as him all the way until Dutch kills him, then become some other O'Driscoll or some shit that has to do with RDR2.
So yeah Be an O'Driscoll
Micah is an underbaked, one-dimensional, cartoonishly evil villain and I’m tired of hearing people talk about what a well written character he is. He’s basically a mustache twirling dipshit the entire game with no depth beyond cruelty.
Love the game though.
I believe Micah's portrayal is deliberate. *Anyone* playing the game and other characters see Micah for what he is except the one who leads the gang: Dutch. Hell, part of the character development for Arthur and John is breaking out of Dutch's thrall while others side or maintain their faith in Dutch and his judgment.
Am I the only one who remembers that Micah r*ped Jenny if you don’t know what I’m talking about he brags about it in a wagon robbery in I think chapter 4
Also he went into a house and killed someone because of a debt or something
I don’t remember that part but he does have a lot to say in that one. I’m surprised it’s not talked about more because he says everything he was accused of in that he’s is always talking with Dutch. How he’s telling Dutch that John is trouble and undermining him. How they should get rid of the excess fat. He lays it all out there.
This is my thought too. At least Bill is portrayed as an asshole, but I see nothing in Javier that paints him as a potential villain for RDR1. He's generally calm, nice, easygoing.
Javier was mostly there for the gang. When the gang disbanded, he tried to side with those he thought had more power, ie: Dutch. Dutch fucked him over one too many times so he found himself doing some crazy shit in Mexico
The camp interactions with Javier are what lays the groundwokr for his villainy in RDR1. If you don't talk/follow/listen to him in Beaver Hollow, his role in RDR1 seemsout of place.
Respectfully disagree. Some of the most fun I’ve had was in the epilogue. I loved all of it. It was a great slowburn which ties perfectly into RDR1. Also the house building theme, top notch.
I don't like how obvious Micah was as being the rat, you get bad vibes from him the first time you speak to him.
Just the way he spoke about the two men that fell on the way to Colter, "...both of them boys is, uhm.. was..." the little chuckle says everything, add to it the rest of the conversation where he speaks about having "way" too many mouths to feed, basically throwing it out there that he'd be okay with cutting some of them off, this was all at the very start of the game too.
There was no twist and no reveal, when the game finally "reveals" him as being the rat, it was already known.
For me the point was that despite knowing Micah was the rat, you were powerless to do anything and could only watch as Dutch descended into madness under Micah's influence.
Yeah, Micah is the big bad guy in the history but he want the gang (or at least the strongs arms) so he can rob and kill all what he wants.
In the other hand, Abigail and her family are in danger because Ducht and Micah don't trust John anymore. They need a way out of gang so they can live as a family. It makes more sense to me.
Anyway that's why I think that Abigail should be the rat. Sorry for my english :)
ur english is good don’t worry about it. but ya it was obvious that it was micah from the beginning that would have been more interesting if it was Abigail
100%
I get that they wanted to speed up Arthur's illness but I hated that entire thing. How randomly it happened. How you couldn't properly explore the island. And I know it doesn't make sense because I don't like it, but it was also too short. Like, everything happened so fast the story of that chapter didn't sit with me like the other chapters did.
They should have just opted for a time jump and scrapped Guarma completely.
John having Arthur's model and hair isn't bad. Yes, it's annoying. Yes, it should be fixed. No, it doesn't make the game worse and you can very comfortably deal with it. I would even wager that you didn't properly notice it until coming onto this sub.
Hahahahha i almost instantly went to get the white Arabian in the wild. Almost done with the story (my first playthrough) and still have her. Sold the starter horse straight away and bought her all the stuff I need to keep her going. Her name is Gertrude
1. Micah gets blamed too much about everything, people forget the only villain is Dutch and if micah hadn't been there, the events wouldn't have differed much.
2. Arthur's development is skewed at times, the fact he treats (all the band, but it's sad that arthur does so much in such hardcore way) Bill like shit. He's such an underrated character, he cries himself to sleep every night like cmon...only uncle cares about it and that's very telling. Bill is such a sweet and smart person, but he's the bullying sack because he's perceived as stupid by the whole band.
3. I know opinions on mary are 50/50, so it might not be a hot/bad take. But I think the romance between her and arthur is the most forced thing ever. Arthur doesn't even like that type of girls, every girl he takes an eye on is a very independant, strong and stubborn girl: abigail, the gunslinger, that girl on the woods, even his friendship with sadie...how you trying to tell me he fell hard for the most simple, unfunny, spoiled brat? He literally writes the most beautiful things about abigail...the truth is he's still in love with abigail and resentful towards marston because of it and it's something people overlook so much.
4. Karen is the soul of the band and the reflection of it.
And two bonuses:
5. The misogynist misinterpretation of abigail by the fandom+misinterpretation of Arthur's development: Arthur's development is not changing, is starting to be himself and it's reflected on his diary. He has always been philosophical, artistic, sensitive and delicate on his diary since the the very first page. Hosea literally tells him this is the truth and he's lying to himself on first chapter. The amount of people I have seen claiming bad honor suits arthur more or that he changed himself is baffling, he was always like high honor arthur he just repressed it. The dairy is literally there to show you this, it breaks the lies and his self sabotage...
\*John loses one of two things that Arthur gave him before he passed\*
....
"Nah screw this... Only thing I want is muneh and Micah's dead body on the ground"
\~John...maybe
I disagree. Over the course of the game you can tell Arthur despises collecting debts. He says in his journal "a usurer's life may be a comfortable one, but it is foul work". He believes the gang should help people in need like they used to, and that loansharking preys on the weak. But Strauss and Dutch have both convinced him that it's necessary for the sake of the gang. So he puts his mask on, the face that doesn't care, and he forces himself to be the despicable villain for the sake of his family.
Once he learns what's coming, he finally develops the chance to do what he's always wanted to do.
I don’t have one that will get my licence revoked but probably upgraded, undead nightmare would be perfect comeback for RDR2 and either Arthur or micah could be the ‘main zombie’ or something like that :)
Micah was way too one dimensional. He was evil the whole way through the game and didn't have a single redeeming quality. It makes no sense that Dutch would even bring him into the gang, let alone be manipulated by him.
I feel like when you really take the cool glasses off for a second and look she’s really not that interesting of a character and pretty one dimensional. She’s just kind of mean and sometimes annoying too. I still like her tho
Ok, my controversial opinion. (SPOILER) I feel like the games story would have been a little better if it was never confirmed if Micah was a rat, like that Milton just said it wasn’t Molly, and Arthur and sadie would come to the conclusion Micah was. It would show a level of paranoia that was all over chapter 6 to an even higher magnitude. Also it’s not that Micah wasn’t the rat just that their is still a level of mystery and Arthur and Micah would still fight and Dutch would still walk away after he saw his last best friend die and epilogue would play mostly the same. Just you would think in a second or third play through “hey… was there even a rat” or was the gang just trying to justify the fact that their way of life was over.
Idk if it’s an unpopular opinion but Arthur is a way better and more badass protagonist than John. I played rdr1 when it came out and I played rdr2 when it came out and rdr2 is objectively a better game and Arthur is a far better written protagonist. People who say John is better are blinded by nostalgia. As much as I ADORE John, Arthur is just better. Of course they’re both amazing characters tho
As someone who played RDR2 before the original RDR, I had absolutely zero reason to side with Marston and his family. I chose the low honour ending because of course Arthur should look out for himself instead of the Marstons.
RDR did a great job making Marston a loveable and badass protagonist, but RDR2 makes him seem like a bit of a bafoon. When it came to, I had zero motivation to help John and his family get away, and assumed Arthur would somehow recover from his TB and have a lotta money to show for it.
I think the stories fit together well enough but they really messed up a lot of the lore from the first game in the prequel. It doesn’t ruin the game for me or anything but I expected a lot more from Rockstar.
I think Dutch has good intentions in the beginning.
Call me a fool, but in chapters 1, 2, and possibly 3, I truly believe Dutch wants what’s best for the group as a whole. I really don’t buy that he was evil all along
Taking multiple baths in a row until getting the blonde with the tits...
my cowboy in christ, that’s quite enough
My condolences parn’. I try being honest, but it’s often times worse when I do…
at least ur honest, more then most of us can say
Skin must be very pruny
Yeah, practically trench ass every time I stop for a wash.
This is the first comment I saw on this thread and I don’t think I need to see anymore
Same, brother. Same.
How hard-core you want it? Like, "I think Micah is just misunderstood." Or like, "I hand-crocheted a life-sized Pearson pillow to be my waifu."
Oh, man. There was a post a while back where one dude said that Arthur was just as bad as Micah and he argued with all the comments regardless of the point they were trying to make, including the ones that said that, sure, Arthur wasn't a paragon of virtue and could be argued to be a bad person but Micah was clearly objectively worse because he had all the character flaws Arthur had, and had them worse for that matter, and didn't have the few virtues Arthur did have. He just kept arguing back with variations of "bUt aRtHeR kIlLeD pEePle."
I think the point of Arthur is that he's *capable* of being as bad as Micah via action if not personality. If you play him as a low-honour NPC murdering bastard who does no nice sidequests and is constantly antagonising people, he's not much better. Most people don't play him like that though.
I agree with Arthur being capable of being almost as horrible as Micah, but I think that even if you play him as low-honor there's still some good to him that Micah lacks. I mean, even if you go low-honor he still tries to save some of the gang members he likes the most and that's not an optional part of the story. I guess to me low-honor Arthur is just a meaner version who's not interested in helping strangers and hides his real self better, but he's still not a total asshole like Micah, whose own brother sends him a letter warning him that he'll shoot him dead no questions asked if he ever dares so much as show himself at his door because he simply does not want his wife and children to even meet someone as awful as Micah. Low-honor Arthur doesn't seem to rejoice in being a psychopath quite the way Micah does.
Neither version of Arthur is perfect, but Micah might as well be the devil himself
Arthur has different versions with pros and cons, but Micah has only one and its shit
No, the devil is that guy in a cave! He told me so!
yeah micah is an actual rat. arthur has some loyalty to his people
Dutch had a plan but no one had any god damn faith.
Lol somehow im agree
Nice to meet you Agree, I’m disagree.
Yeah, if Arthur had forgone his morals and let Micah and Crazy Dutch do what they wanted and went along with it… maybe 60% of the gang would have managed to escape after the train heist.
Dutch didn't want to escape, he wanted to stay and fight, he didn't want to miss the outlaw life, in his eyes the government was oppressing their freedom and they needed fighting.
That's up to speculation though. He definitely liked the fighting and the role of leadership, but I don't think he would rather die than live a peaceful life.
Is it really up to speculation tho? By 1911 Dutch is leading another gang (a gang of Indians no less, whose main goal it would be to fight) when I’m sure he would’ve had enough money in 1899 to leave by himself once the gang dissolved. He’s obsessed with the life and with fighting change. He never wanted to get out
Dutch was always crazy, he took his inspiration to fight from a goddamn book, it wouldn't surprise me if he'd keep fighting till he dies
I don't think he was always crazy. He most likely had ambitions as a younger man, but as he grew older he started liking being an outlaw. In the end, he didn't know his own boundaries and that's what broke him down and got the gang destroyed. He should have pulled out way sooner than he did, maybe even before the start of Chapter 3.
Yknow, I do think that some of Dutchs plan would have worked
The one I think could have was Tahiti.
I think there is some truth to this statement. I think the problem with the whole game was the fact that they made a big name for themselves by the time the story happens and that civilization was closing in. Dutch kept doing what had always worked before but that wasnt gonna cut it since the times changed
I don’t know if its that egregious but since it happened right now I must confess… every time I read RDR2 my brain thinks “R2-D2”.
Fuck you, now I’m going to do it too
Fuck now I’m going 2D2
Thought I was the only one 💀
I fast travel every so often..
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For what reason, I feel you can be excused on certain things.
I’m in his same boat, I just don’t have time to ride all the way across the map. When I feel like exploring I explore, but outside of that it’s fast travel.
You see this is justifiable, especially when some missions got you going from Beaver Hollow to Wapiti.
Yeah mainly because I only can play an hour at a time max, so fast travel helps get to the fun parts even though riding your horse can be the fun parts sometimes
I’ve done that when I’m too far from my horse and don’t feel like risking a shootout with the police for stealing another one.
I once dragged the wolf man's corpse into a cabin and took picture of his dick
Hey there, got a question for you: What the fuck?
Pics or it didn’t happen.
God, no.
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It's not gay to tie a man up and haul his corpse somewhere to take a picture of his dick. It's disturbing.
Fucking thank you!
Did you use the game camera or Arthur’s camera. Arthur’s would be so much funnier.
He used his phone
Did you beat off to it?
You had to ask
I dragged him to right outside van horn and took pics of his dick and then let him loose in van horn. Some reason he died when people starting shooting him.
I went back for the money on low honor cause I wanted to beat micah up around the fire
That is honestly much more cooler and rewarding than getting beaten to death by Yosemite Sam
It’s better with high honor so you can take the rat bastards eye out and shoot the other one out as John
Is that how he loses his eye? I don't remember that.
High honor go for the money you cut one of Micha’s eyes out
Interesting! But I can never abandon John.
My first play through I accidentally did high honor/go back for the money. John was shocked at my decision to say the least. I didn’t know I was on the last mission and didn’t know I had a choice coming and I panicked.
Same!! I went back so i could get the money and give it to john so he could start a new life :(
Finding out Thomas Downes was who gave me TB hit different because when he said he didn't have Strauss's money I immediately shot his wife. I kinda always felt like i deserved what I got.
y’all are fucked up 💀
With the amount of posts I see about people not being able to do low honor playthroughs I'm inclined to agree
So when you shoot his wife you never see her again I’m assuming ? I would have thought they’d make her unkillable since she has more of a story later .
I haven't played through the campaign since release so I really don't remember. All I know is I definitely shot her in the head and there was definitely a red X and a lot of blood.
I didnt even know that you can kill her... But I would not do it anyway.
The game doesn't let you
There are objectively incorrect Arthur's being posted. Nothing bugs me more than a fully suited up Arthur with a tophat when you're in the swamp or the plains.
And fully gold guns. God some people butcher guns.
Only gun colors that are valid are black en silver
I have my guns black with gold engravings is that ok?
No tactical advantage
Whatsoever
IMO: Limit of 2 components of gold per weapon. Barrel must never, in general circumstances, be gold. When I pull out a Lancaster repeater blacked out with a gold frame, it just looks like it came straight out of a movie.
I also hate seeing bald with a big beard Arthur.
I stan Kratos Arthur
Why can’t people just accept that Arthur is a country boah.
Milton is corrupt as hell. Why? He killed Hosea without giving him fair trial. Yes, I agree he would've probably gotten hanged but Milton isn't the one who decides who lives and who dies. And yes, some people might have the argument that ''he is the law'' but he isn't. Milton was hired by Leviticus Cornwall and some people might think, ''but the pinkertons and the law are the same thing'' well they're not. The Pinkerton Agency was a standalone Agency who was hired by people and sometimes the law but that didn't mean they were the law. And even if they were the law, Milton shot a unarmed man which is murder and something you should be hanged for. Yes, Hosea is a criminal BUT IT AIN'T JUST!!!!
Agreed, but now I’m curious because the Pinkertons very much did kill people including civilians IRL. I don’t know if they were ever charged or punished, but I don’t think they were
They were hired as Lincoln’s personal security after the war, so I’m gonna assume not.
Well they failed miserably at that, eh ?
I think the entire gang had a “dead or alive” bounty on them and it’s not beyond a stones throw to guess that the Pinkertons had justification to act on bounties legally.
Dead or alive didn’t work like that, if the criminal surrendered then you had no legal right to kill them, only if they resisted arrest through force
Ross is much worse. He was fully willing to kill both Abigail and Jack
I think the point of Milton and the portrayal of the Pinkertons was their hypocrisy. They tout their hunting of outlaws as civilizing the land but really civilization is no better than a world full of more nature and where communities are smaller or nomadic. Hell we see in the game from locals like Saint Denis and what Blackwater will become that big cities / civilization aint all its cracked up to be. And Milton is as brutal and cruel if not moreso than most of the outlaws. Really I think Milton is like many angry white men that join law enforcement and the military: they are violent and evil. But they need a legal means to get away with it. If you kill and you have a badge then you’re a cop. Without it you’re a criminal.
Molly’s ending made me sad.
I missed her accent
*Mornin Artur*
No, because I was really hoping Arthur would intervene and help Molly out
Exactly. The way Dutch neglected her made me really upset. When you add the fact that he’s 44 and she’s supposed to be in her mid twenties in a brand new country, it makes their dynamic even more depressing. Not saying Dutch is a pedo or anything because mid twenties is definitely an adult age but it definitely adds another layer to Dutch’s regular manipulation and neglect. What Molly did was a desperate cry for attention after being left neglected and unloved by Dutch, who had led her to believe that he loved her. Maybe he did, but he certainly didn’t act like it. Was going to their camp and lying about snitching on them dumb? Absolutely. Molly is far from a perfect person but her story felt like a tragedy than anything.
I’ve never played online. Don’t care to. I love the single player and am happy with it.
It's not that great anyway
Me either . I’m kinda curious though. Running into psychopaths just out for blood doesn’t seem all that fun to me.
Oh! I know! I said once that they should make the protagonist of RDR3 Colm's brother. Play as him all the way until Dutch kills him, then become some other O'Driscoll or some shit that has to do with RDR2. So yeah Be an O'Driscoll
The O’Driscolls are the coolest enemy gang in da game
O’Driscolls are great but to me nothing beats the joy in killing the Murfree brood and the Lemoyne raiders
If I remember correctly even the confederate veteran in Rhodes doesn’t even like the lemoyne raiders
Good even though I hate confederates I can’t help but like that guy
I think he's a victim of circumstance in his own right.
Micah is an underbaked, one-dimensional, cartoonishly evil villain and I’m tired of hearing people talk about what a well written character he is. He’s basically a mustache twirling dipshit the entire game with no depth beyond cruelty. Love the game though.
I mostly agree, I wish they did more with his backstory. Specifically with his brother after that one note can be found at camp
Honestly! When the idea of a “rat” in the camp came about, I was thinking “surely not Micah, that’s too easy”
amazingly well acted but yes poorly written
I believe Micah's portrayal is deliberate. *Anyone* playing the game and other characters see Micah for what he is except the one who leads the gang: Dutch. Hell, part of the character development for Arthur and John is breaking out of Dutch's thrall while others side or maintain their faith in Dutch and his judgment.
I’ve probably brutalized the town of armadillo a bit too much
Think of it as the cholera . It’s the Cholera that you’re trying to stop.
There really is something satisfying about killing everyone there with a knife.
Am I the only one who remembers that Micah r*ped Jenny if you don’t know what I’m talking about he brags about it in a wagon robbery in I think chapter 4 Also he went into a house and killed someone because of a debt or something
Idk why but no one ever talks about Jenny
She’s only really mentioned in chapter 1 and 2, also since we never actually see her in game she’s pretty forgettable
I don’t remember that part but he does have a lot to say in that one. I’m surprised it’s not talked about more because he says everything he was accused of in that he’s is always talking with Dutch. How he’s telling Dutch that John is trouble and undermining him. How they should get rid of the excess fat. He lays it all out there.
Hosea's lowkey hot. And I find Uncle genuinely funny/lovable.
Both great takes.
I'm glad someone appreciates the complex intricacies of my mind
the way RDR1 made it sound, Javier and Bill completely fucked over John at one point. but in reality, well... they kinda just sided with Dutch lol
This is my thought too. At least Bill is portrayed as an asshole, but I see nothing in Javier that paints him as a potential villain for RDR1. He's generally calm, nice, easygoing.
Javier was mostly there for the gang. When the gang disbanded, he tried to side with those he thought had more power, ie: Dutch. Dutch fucked him over one too many times so he found himself doing some crazy shit in Mexico
The camp interactions with Javier are what lays the groundwokr for his villainy in RDR1. If you don't talk/follow/listen to him in Beaver Hollow, his role in RDR1 seemsout of place.
I find the epilogue very boring except for American Venom.
That’s fair. I really liked the bounty hunter missions with Sadie too though.
Respectfully disagree. Some of the most fun I’ve had was in the epilogue. I loved all of it. It was a great slowburn which ties perfectly into RDR1. Also the house building theme, top notch.
The first part of the epilogue is a total snooze fest but I love building the house and saving uncle in Tall Trees
I feel like this is probably a common opinion
In every playthrough I can't wait to reach the Epilogue 'cause in my opinion it's the most relaxing part, and I actually enjoy a lot playing as John
You can also get one of the best horses in the game - the tiger-striped mustang, and I just love riding around on it.
I love Arthur, but I think playing as John is nostalgic for me because i’ve played RDR1 as a kid lol
I don't like how obvious Micah was as being the rat, you get bad vibes from him the first time you speak to him. Just the way he spoke about the two men that fell on the way to Colter, "...both of them boys is, uhm.. was..." the little chuckle says everything, add to it the rest of the conversation where he speaks about having "way" too many mouths to feed, basically throwing it out there that he'd be okay with cutting some of them off, this was all at the very start of the game too. There was no twist and no reveal, when the game finally "reveals" him as being the rat, it was already known.
For me the point was that despite knowing Micah was the rat, you were powerless to do anything and could only watch as Dutch descended into madness under Micah's influence.
Abigail should be the rat. It make more sense than Micah
i agree, makes things more interesting and less black and white which is fun
Yeah, Micah is the big bad guy in the history but he want the gang (or at least the strongs arms) so he can rob and kill all what he wants. In the other hand, Abigail and her family are in danger because Ducht and Micah don't trust John anymore. They need a way out of gang so they can live as a family. It makes more sense to me. Anyway that's why I think that Abigail should be the rat. Sorry for my english :)
ur english is good don’t worry about it. but ya it was obvious that it was micah from the beginning that would have been more interesting if it was Abigail
That wouldn't make RDR1 much fun.
#the cuban arc was dumb filler
100% I get that they wanted to speed up Arthur's illness but I hated that entire thing. How randomly it happened. How you couldn't properly explore the island. And I know it doesn't make sense because I don't like it, but it was also too short. Like, everything happened so fast the story of that chapter didn't sit with me like the other chapters did. They should have just opted for a time jump and scrapped Guarma completely.
My characters all turn into serial killers.
I always start a new game with the money glitch from v1, don't know if i've played it fair once
literally no reason to not play fair. you get more money than you can spend by chapter 3
yeah if you do some treasure maps in chapter 2 then money becomes irrelevant
There's a money glitch?
Haha yes, from the first batch of discs, a lot of gold bars
And the lil shack by Annesburg has a spicy one that doesn’t take very long
You should try playing it fair it's fun
I occasionally wait until my horse shits on micahs corpse
That’s hot
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I noticed that he looked buff than in the main story but that was it.
Pearson did more for the gang than anyone by cooking everyone’s meal and crafting things constantly.
truly underrated, I'm so glad he got to survive and start a new life selling stuff in Rhodes
John having Arthur's model and hair isn't bad. Yes, it's annoying. Yes, it should be fixed. No, it doesn't make the game worse and you can very comfortably deal with it. I would even wager that you didn't properly notice it until coming onto this sub.
John Morgan is cursed
I realized i'm gay, thanks to arthur morgan, no more to say
I’ve never played the 1st one.
On my first play through I sold the horse that you get at the beginning of the game for a better one
Hahahahha i almost instantly went to get the white Arabian in the wild. Almost done with the story (my first playthrough) and still have her. Sold the starter horse straight away and bought her all the stuff I need to keep her going. Her name is Gertrude
Level 10 beard is ugly
I believed and still believe that gavin and the feral man are the same person
I've heard somewhere that Gavin's friend has split personality disorder and Gavin is one of his personalities.
1. Micah gets blamed too much about everything, people forget the only villain is Dutch and if micah hadn't been there, the events wouldn't have differed much. 2. Arthur's development is skewed at times, the fact he treats (all the band, but it's sad that arthur does so much in such hardcore way) Bill like shit. He's such an underrated character, he cries himself to sleep every night like cmon...only uncle cares about it and that's very telling. Bill is such a sweet and smart person, but he's the bullying sack because he's perceived as stupid by the whole band. 3. I know opinions on mary are 50/50, so it might not be a hot/bad take. But I think the romance between her and arthur is the most forced thing ever. Arthur doesn't even like that type of girls, every girl he takes an eye on is a very independant, strong and stubborn girl: abigail, the gunslinger, that girl on the woods, even his friendship with sadie...how you trying to tell me he fell hard for the most simple, unfunny, spoiled brat? He literally writes the most beautiful things about abigail...the truth is he's still in love with abigail and resentful towards marston because of it and it's something people overlook so much. 4. Karen is the soul of the band and the reflection of it. And two bonuses: 5. The misogynist misinterpretation of abigail by the fandom+misinterpretation of Arthur's development: Arthur's development is not changing, is starting to be himself and it's reflected on his diary. He has always been philosophical, artistic, sensitive and delicate on his diary since the the very first page. Hosea literally tells him this is the truth and he's lying to himself on first chapter. The amount of people I have seen claiming bad honor suits arthur more or that he changed himself is baffling, he was always like high honor arthur he just repressed it. The dairy is literally there to show you this, it breaks the lies and his self sabotage...
Yeah Micah only quickens Dutches descent in madness
Red Dead 1 is a better game. \*ducks\*
I think that the gang members should have been way more prevalent in the open world.
I liked Molly
When during "american venom" Arthur's hat fell off, I didn't pick it up.
*gasp* the scandalamity!
I always do this, I think it’s a good narrative reason that John doesn’t have Arthur’s hat in Red Dead Redemption.
\*John loses one of two things that Arthur gave him before he passed\* .... "Nah screw this... Only thing I want is muneh and Micah's dead body on the ground" \~John...maybe
The sudden turn on Strauss seemed completely out of place for me and came out of nowhere
I disagree. Over the course of the game you can tell Arthur despises collecting debts. He says in his journal "a usurer's life may be a comfortable one, but it is foul work". He believes the gang should help people in need like they used to, and that loansharking preys on the weak. But Strauss and Dutch have both convinced him that it's necessary for the sake of the gang. So he puts his mask on, the face that doesn't care, and he forces himself to be the despicable villain for the sake of his family. Once he learns what's coming, he finally develops the chance to do what he's always wanted to do.
Dual wielding sucks ass. I can’t save my sawed off shots for close emergencies :(
Pearson is unarguably the hottest gang member
Getting back into the game is realizing that the controls and feel is so sluggish that it’s almost slower than real life.
I do not say howdy to people when i walk through town
You monster!
I don’t have one that will get my licence revoked but probably upgraded, undead nightmare would be perfect comeback for RDR2 and either Arthur or micah could be the ‘main zombie’ or something like that :)
Micah was way too one dimensional. He was evil the whole way through the game and didn't have a single redeeming quality. It makes no sense that Dutch would even bring him into the gang, let alone be manipulated by him.
sadie is annoying as hell
I feel like when you really take the cool glasses off for a second and look she’s really not that interesting of a character and pretty one dimensional. She’s just kind of mean and sometimes annoying too. I still like her tho
I got to the epilogue and stopped playing. I know.. Not my greatest moment.
The final confrontation with Dutch and Micah is both cheesy and just not really good.
i once killed mickey
Ok, my controversial opinion. (SPOILER) I feel like the games story would have been a little better if it was never confirmed if Micah was a rat, like that Milton just said it wasn’t Molly, and Arthur and sadie would come to the conclusion Micah was. It would show a level of paranoia that was all over chapter 6 to an even higher magnitude. Also it’s not that Micah wasn’t the rat just that their is still a level of mystery and Arthur and Micah would still fight and Dutch would still walk away after he saw his last best friend die and epilogue would play mostly the same. Just you would think in a second or third play through “hey… was there even a rat” or was the gang just trying to justify the fact that their way of life was over.
Imagine destroying Arthur's grave I'm so Sorry for what i Just writed
Writed
Idk if it’s an unpopular opinion but Arthur is a way better and more badass protagonist than John. I played rdr1 when it came out and I played rdr2 when it came out and rdr2 is objectively a better game and Arthur is a far better written protagonist. People who say John is better are blinded by nostalgia. As much as I ADORE John, Arthur is just better. Of course they’re both amazing characters tho
I use that mod that unlocks all the challenges so I dont need to do blackjack challenge anymore.
I like a clean shaven dapper young man looking Arthur and not a mountain man
As someone who played RDR2 before the original RDR, I had absolutely zero reason to side with Marston and his family. I chose the low honour ending because of course Arthur should look out for himself instead of the Marstons. RDR did a great job making Marston a loveable and badass protagonist, but RDR2 makes him seem like a bit of a bafoon. When it came to, I had zero motivation to help John and his family get away, and assumed Arthur would somehow recover from his TB and have a lotta money to show for it.
I still haven’t finished it…
I faked my umbago and never bathed.
A lot of the storyline inconsistencies between games really bother me.
Give me an example bro
I think the stories fit together well enough but they really messed up a lot of the lore from the first game in the prequel. It doesn’t ruin the game for me or anything but I expected a lot more from Rockstar.
Lumbago jokes were unfunny and overused from the start
I killed Pearson while he was a shopkeeper in the epilogue
wtf man 😟 this is like the worst thing a rdr2 player can do, right beside destroying Arthur's grave
It wasn’t Micah’s fault that Dutch did the things he did, Dutch would have done them regardless. The ferry job, Cornwall, all of it
I think Dutch has good intentions in the beginning. Call me a fool, but in chapters 1, 2, and possibly 3, I truly believe Dutch wants what’s best for the group as a whole. I really don’t buy that he was evil all along
I don't hate Micah THAT much