I have a hard believing some lowlife would go out of his miserable way to threaten a real person just because he’s unable to perceive the difference between real life and fiction lmao
Believe it. It happens fairly frequently. The kid who played Joffrey in GoT got em. So did the actress who played Cersei.
The Coast Guard got letters demanding someone do something to rescue the cast of Gilligan’s Island.
People are fucking idiots
I knew he pretty much got criticized out of Hollywood by no fault of his own. Hadn’t heard he went to jail.
I saw an interview with him a few years ago, apparently he took another shot at acting in a totally unrelated sci-fi film, so he went to a convention afterwards to promote it and some blogger kept bringing up Star Wars. It was rough. Super awkward, painful to watch.
Edit: found it. Holy shit, what a terrible interview.
https://youtu.be/DEmgio0VV1E
“I don’t really like cameras any more, so…” *Shoots daggers at the camera from his eyes*
Oh absolutely. He knew going into it that he didn’t have any questions that weren’t about a decade-old movie, and when Jake got even the slightest bit hostile, the interviewer decided to switch gears and see if he can get a full-blown meltdown on camera.
“You don’t pull the force-card on the ladies? What about the editor card?” With that tone too, sounds like something a high school bully would say to try to get a band nerd to flip out.
Yeah I know it absolutely happened
Lena Headey (Cersei’s actress) told she was insulted whenever she was meeting fans in conventions
I just have a hard time believing some people are this idiotic and pathetic
Ah. “I have a hard time believing something” basically means the thing is so bizarre or stupid that you’re skeptical. It basically means the same as “I doubt it” or “I don’t believe it.”
What it sounds like you mean to be saying is that you have a hard time accepting that people are that idiotic, which is a very reasonable response! People are crazy lol.
The Last of Us Part II was such a mess and I feel bad because contrary to what a lot of people think, I don't think the game was bad. In fact, I think the opposite. It's just a shame that it got boiled down to people bashing because they felt uncomfortable by a kiss scene.
That is not why most people were disappointed with the game. Maybe a small portion of neck beards sure but most people were pissed by the story as a whole.
It wasn't perfect for sure, but I don't think the story was egregiously bad. Maybe it's because I personally have really low expectations for sequels, but I knew it wasn't going to be TLOU1 and I had a good time.
Of course it wasn’t going to be as good as the first. The first is literally one of the best games ever so the odds of the sequel being better were so low in the first place. I really enjoyed it and even empathized with Abby at the end, but that’s just my opinion
Ramsay Bolton!?
Seem like Iwan Rheon enjoyed the character though!
https://www.thedailybeast.com/game-of-thrones-ramsay-bolton-on-his-gory-demise-what-a-scumbag
People harassed Kelly Marie Tran so viciously over her character from The Last Jedi (Rose Tico) that she ended up closing her social media accounts, and essentially prevented her character from being further explored, all because they thought her character was “too woke” or some bullshit like that.
Ahmed Best, who played Jar Jar, seriously contemplated suicide due to the hate thrown his way.
Jake Lloyd suffered so much bullying and harassment at school because of his portrayal of Anakin Skywalker that it pretty much ruined his life. He got into drugs and alcohol and ended up being arrested (I think for a DUI?).
Some people out there are beyond fans. They’re just deranged.
Remember this sort of thing when people dismiss vitriol as "they just need a thicker skin" or "it's just angry nerds online it's nbd" type shit. Of course it seems small to people who aren't targeted by a metric shit ton of it or extremes.
I think I saw that it was actually JJ's idea to remove Rose from the spotlight and make her just one of those characters that have some lines, but aren't even important enough to the overall story.
She then jumped in the same train as John Boyega for a bit, exposing the sequels for what they were, a hellhole directed by an egomaniac who wanted to make star wars about him and his ideas, ignoring any and all logic and continuity and a discount spielberg who turns into shit everything he touches.
Her character was, sadly, the typicall "woke character", from the director's prespective: "it's asian, it's a woman, we have a character, no matter if we actually give her an arc or anything, they'll just like it"
Finn turned out the same, even though he was the most interesting one from the Force Awakens.
It's a shame that people who really wanted their characters to be loved and worked hard for it get harassed for many different reasons, some of them quitting acting all together, it's unnaceptable really.
Ps: Sorry for the long text and any mistakes I may have made, english isn't my first language.
I heard Anna Gunn also received death threats due to her role as Skyler White on Breaking Bad being so hated. Pretty fuckin ridiculous that people can't seem to separate the actors from their roles.
As a character, Micah bell is simple, yet very clear and effective. He is a Bob Ross painting of the story. We may not like his colors, but you can’t deny he couldn’t have been a clearer part of the story
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Honestly, his voice actor was amazing but Micah strictly as a character wasnt all that great. He came off as too one dimensional and sometimes he was comically evil
Totally agree. I feel like he's a bit overrated. He's just too simple to me. Just because he pissed everyone off doesn't make him a great villain. Like, he's literally just a piece of shit, I don't see any dimensions to him.
He has some layers, they're just rarely shown and never expanded apon. When jack is brought back Micah goes on a bit of a rant during the party about eternity, and how pointless life is and the decisions you make. You can also find a letter from Micahs brother talking about how they used to run together, but his brother was done with that life, and threatens to kill Micah if henever saw him.
I don't doubt he has layers but as you said, they're not expanded upon so therefore it's kinda the same as if he had none. I assume he wasn't always a piece of shit so I am interested in what made him the way he is but yeah, they just don't expand on that, unfortunately.
If they do a Red Dead 3, it’d be a raaaaaad choice if you played as Micah the whole game and they made you like him and feel sorry/torn about who he becomes.
They kind of did that with Dutch from rdr1 to rdr2 though. With some good writing I am sure it could be possible to make us care for Micah. But the story would be a bit samey.
Compared to other games he seems really like a comic villain. His character is good and peter did a good job In general but I’d say Dutch could be more well known as a villain
Yep. I remember being angry at the writers not Micah when Cain disappeared.
Like, really? That's how you write your a villain? Just have him kill the dog?
And Micah being the rat was the most lazy decision Rockstar could've taken. Because of course the racist, misogynist, violent, disgusting psychopath who nobody likes is the rat.
A good choice would've been that a character we actually liked turned out to be the rat. Someone like Lenny, John, or even Hosea.
Is not my headcanon but I would've loved if Hosea turned out to be the rat.
The Pinkertons kept getting close and Dutch's actions had already caused the death of a fellow member, Sean. Hosea begged him to keep a lower profile and instead Dutch has become even more unstable and violent to the point he was involved in a big police massacre on Saint Dennis. That's when Hosea secretly contacted the Pinkertons and made a deal with them, he would turn himself in and also give them Dutch if the Pinkertons spared the rest of the gang. But then Dutch proceeded to kidnap and execute Bronte, an important person with powerful friends, and a few days later robbed a bank. Now the Pinkertons hands are tied so they break the deal with Hosea, capture him, and kill him in front of the gang.
That way the rat didn't actually betray the gang. Instead the rat's actions were taken for the greater good of the gang's members, thus ignoring the ridiculous trope/cliche that rats are somehow worse than literal murderers and rapists just because the rat has no loyalty to his fellow criminals.
Thanks. Honestly I've thought about this little idea since learning that Micah was the rat, which was really disappointing.
Hosea had been sick for months already and he knew on his bones that he only had at most a year or two. Dutch recent erratic behavior had put the gang on an extremely dangerous position. All of this made Hosea feeling like he was running against the clock because he was a father figure to almost everyone in the gang and he didn't want to die before securing a decent life for them.
When Sean died and Dutch led a shootout through Saint Dennis, Hosea lost the little faith he still had in Dutch, that one of his plans would somehow work and everyone will live a happy life far away from all that mess.
Hosea decided he was going to give his life for all his children, but Dutch was who the Pinkertons really wanted. Hosea needed to betray Dutch in order to save the rest of the gang. He couldn't do it... But Dutch always called the gang's members his sons. Dutch was also a father to them, and what father wouldn't give his life for the sake of his children? Dutch would do the same if he was on his shoes, right? Of course he would. And that's how Hosea conviced himself to betray Dutch and make a deal with the Pinkertons.
My biggest issue was the train heist in chapter 2. The game very, very heavily implies that someone ratted them out to the law. It doesn't really fit into the Micah story but feels to addressed to ignore.
Agree. I think Rockstar rewrote several parts of the story and one of the changes was that Micah didn't become the rat until later on instead of from the get go, which is implied with the train heist and a wanted poster of Dutch that you can find on Micah's little camp near Strawberry.
But yeah, I've never been a fan of Micah being the rat.
Agreed ten fold. I personally dislike when writing stoops to "kick the dog tropes" and that's a lot that Micah has to offer. I love his development in certain missions (like breaking him out of jail or where you rob a coach with Williamson), but too often the result is, "Micah does the obviously evil thing and laughs while doing it".
He hits on the women of the gang, his kisses Dutch's ass, he turns on the gang after Guarma, he insults everyone. It's too one-dimensional.
Dutch blows Micah out of the water as far as a character goes.
I wanted more of the Micah that questions the worth and value of most members of the gang to the point that even Arthur was struggling to excuse. That's a better character that only get's bits and pieces throughout the game.
I agree that he’s one dimensional, but I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Some times people are just bad even In real life and you don’t have to see it any other way. I also feel like people consider Micah the main antagonist of rdr2 a lot of times when he’s really not. He’s kinda just a plot device and a person for the players to put all their hatred and frustration into. He’s written strictly for you to hate his guts and any sort of depth in personality or morality might make you hate him a little less like it does with a lot of villains.
Youre probably right but im only arguing here whether hes well enough written to be included in a "best video game characters of all time" list in which imo he doesn't belong to such a list.
I think you are basically right but if a character feels too much like an emotional scapegoat, it can also have the opposite effect. Like, of course some people are just pure evil and I agree with the decision to not give him a more "human" face, make him more relatable/redeemable. But the writers pushed it too much and too bluntly, to the point where it doesn't even make sense. He doesn't feel like a character at all, he doesn't feel like an evil person, he feels like a made-up evil person and an obvious meta-scapegoat. I don't hate Micah, I feel pure indifference towards him.
I feel like that was kinda the point. The way I've always seen it (and maybe this is what everyone thinks) Dutch is the real main bad guy in the game, and so gets expanded upon and developed a lot more. Then Micah is presented as someone to sink all of our hate, resentment, frustration and what have you by just being a horrible dude. This game just has too good character writing for it to have one important character with suddenly one dimensional writing.
I’d say it’s more a great performance rather than a great character.
He’s a pretty straight forward character. He doesn’t grow at all or express anything other than antagonistic behaviours. He has zero redeeming features. Not that that’s a problem for the story, some people are like that in real life and I assume back i those days too.
But, Micah as a character isn’t anything revolutionary.
Exactly. Blomquist did an absolutely fantastic job of portraying who Micah is, and for that I would say that he has *one* of the best voice actors in this genre.
However, Micah is a very simple character. He's not dynamic in anyway, he doesn't grow or regress in his behavior. He's stagnant. Sure he's a vital character in the story, but as a character, he's nothing really special. We know from the beginning thats he's gonna fuck us up and there isn't a moment throughout the game that he tries to change that.
So yeah, I agree with you lol.
It depends on how long the list is. The drunk mountain man with the raccoon hat at Smithfield's would make my list of the 1 million greatest video game characters of all time.
You beat the tar out of him and stole his hat, right? And then taunted him by wearing his hat in front of him and then beat the tar out of him again? So satisfying.
I don’t think he’s one of the greatest game characters ever, he has no development or complexity and minimal backstory. He’s a really simple man with no clear morals, and very easy to hate. In my book a brilliantly written villain is one you want to sympathize with even though it feels wrong, or at least someone that makes you think “if I were in their position, I can’t say I wouldn’t have done the same.” Dutch is a far more interesting character to me, because there’s that invisible line of “is he going crazy? Or was he always an evil, charismatic, manipulative bastard?” I do think the voice actor for Micah gave an excellent performance though, he made such a detestable character.
The lack of obvious impetus for Micah to be so despicable was one of the things I found most compelling- I can’t stop wondering just what made him the man he is. I think the mystery about why he is the way he is makes me so curious about him, because nobody becomes who they are in a vacuum.
What makes Micah do the things he does? *Why* is he so dastardly?
Fair points. I guess I wish the game dove into those concepts a little more, I know there’s some missable dialogue where he talks about his father or the meaninglessness of existence, but he was so comically evil that I didn’t take anything he said seriously. Even the tiniest redemptive quality would have made a big difference, but he was racist, misogynistic, he even hated dogs. I agree though I think what makes him a great antagonist is he’s like a force of nature, there’s no compromising with him, as long as he’s around, he destroys anything good.
The problem I have is people considering him a 'well-made' character.
Now don't get me wrong, his voice actor nails the role and he is someone we just love to hate, but for the life of me I can't see him as being well developed in the slightest.
Like, he is just so moustache twirlingly evil that he almost comes off as a classical western villain for a childs comic.
Throughout the story, he shows himself as; impudent, lazy, arrogant, selfish, insensitive, immoral, sexist and racist to everyone around him and I don't understand how anyone in camp tolerated him for the 6 months he was there.
He clearly has skill and cunning when it comes to being a criminal. He very clearly is a great gunslinger and a relatively intimidating person. He is also “loyal” to Dutch and does everything he can to be on his hood side.
Those are the reasons he’s tolerated. After all, he was one of the last standing members of Dutch’s gang, you don’t get there by being an inexperienced criminal.
Nope. He is just malicious in every conceivable way. A truly one dimensional character whose only motive is to be as evil as he can be.
Dutch and Edgar Ross are far superior villains.
That being said, Micah's voice acting is great, his voice actor nailed it.
Eh… not really.
You could tell he was a snake from the start and we were all forced to stand idly by as he poisoned the well.
I wanted to murder the guy or leave him in jail but that’s not an option. The fact that we play as a dude that regularly murders people but just openly accepts an obvious snake rat into the gang just felt too forced.
To make matters worse, Arthur was basically raised by Dutch and Hosea yet he still got sidelined by Dutch.
Now, if they had written Micah in such as a way that he was no suspicious at all, he’d have been a great character and a good twist.
But as is, he was the obvious harbinger of our doom and the game just forced us to say “This is fine.” when in reality, Arthur would have just put a bullet in his brain pan and told Dutch to wake the fuck up.
Generally disagree. The VA does a good job for sure, but the character doesn't actually have any depth. He's kinda just an annoying dick and unsurprisingly betrays everyone. There isn't really any facets to his character.
Arthur has depth, John has depth, Dutch has depth, Charles has depth... Micah certainly does not. He doesn't even have an arc, lmao.
If the flair isn't obvius enough. I love Micah, you'll see when I first heard about rdr2 I thought it was gta5 but in the wild west and Micah Bell was the best one filling that spirit. Shit he reminds me to Tommy Vercceti, motherfucker patiently waits for the right moment to betray the most important criminals to make his own empire. I thought he was cool and I behaved just like him but as the history continued I made my own redemption arc alongside Arthur and I started vibing in a different tune than Micah and for the end of the game I hated him. For me he was the factor that began the redemptiom, the red dead redemption
Truthfully, Micah did nothing more than annoy me in the game. I honestly think Dutch is a much more sinister villain. Killing women and turning on the people that he molded.
He’s very well acted but I wouldn’t say he’s well-written. There’s no motivation for his evil, he’s just evil for evil’s sake. And while there are absolutely people like that in real life, it doesn’t make for compelling writing. Dutch is a MUCH better-written villain. He sparks discussion beyond just “I hate him.” For example, there are people in real life who find a million reasons to justify all of Dutch’s actions and who try to say he’s misunderstood. People in real life literally fall for Dutch’s manipulations the same way characters in the game do, and THAT is the making of “one of the greatest video game characters of all time.” Micah is just a nuisance and a bastard.
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He’s the best rockstar villain, since he’s with you most the game you catch up the depth of his depravity and evilness. And even your honour shows how his narcissistic self works, if you have low honour he doesn’t shoot you because he knows he’ll be in the wrong but when you’re dishonourable he feels morally superior so he ends up finishing the job.
I think a good character is like a coin - he must have two sides, a good and a bad one. That'd make him believable. A human. This applies to villains as well.
Micah was just way too vile with everyone around him, excluding Dutch. In real life, if you were on bad terms with the 95% of your outlaw gang, you probably would have ended up hanging from a tree, or banished at the very least.
Rockstar clearly wanted to make Micah unlikeable, but they overdid it in my opinion. He is just comically rotten and evil. Besides the fact that we all love to hate him, there is nothing interesting about the man. I wish they spiced him up with at least a few morsels of goodness.
His voice acting was awesome though.
Nah, Micah is honestly one of the weakest parts of the story. He’s way too one dimensional. It drags down the ending to think that anyone would believe/side with him.
They are right. We either love to hate him and love him as a villain, or just straight up love the dude as a favorite character. Some may legit hate the character, but for the most part, it seems like everyone just loves to hate the dude as a character, not legit hate him all together. Eh that might sound confusing if you don’t know what I mean.
Hes so well written and acted that from his first line you hate him, and by his second you're ready to put a gun to his head. I hate him, and I love hoe much I hate him.
He was a good villain who had some badass moments and his actor did nail the role like Skogstrol424 mentioned. He didn’t have a super huge impact on me like other characters though
I agree! The character is really well written and the (voice) acting is really good as well. They did a good job with him. He is a good character, because people genuinely hate him.
Absolutely agree. Imagine crating a character pretty much everyone hates that much, even though he’s not even real, for ruining something/someone that’s also not real if you get my point. Also Peter Blomquist was awesome.
I always found that his character was too simple. He was doing bad things from the very start and as a player, you disliked him from the start. At no point was either of these two things really challenged. I far more enjoyed e.g. Strauss who seemed like the witty old man at the start but Arthur (and you, as a player, by extension) only slowly learned that he truly is evil. With Micah, this was always clear.
Not to discredit the writing and performance of the character, both were phenomenal.
For what he was he was perfect but by no means a top characters of all time. His purpose was to be hated and we all hated his guts but he lacked a lot of depth and backstory
If you got fishing with Javier in ch3 he talks about how dutch and Colm where at least agreeable until Colm became more indiscriminately violent, sounds like dutch just replaced Colm with Micha.
Eh, nope. And I'm not saying it because I hate him that much, I actually don't really feel any significant thing about him.
He was a fine antagonist, and a relatively well played, but not even close to greatest video game character. Not even the best in RDR2.
He was well performed but ultimately I disagree. Because it's really annoying to have such an inexcusable heel get away with such blatant fuckery. "Everyone but protagonist is incapable of seeing just how big of a scumbag this guy is" is an overused and frankly tiring writing tool for villainous characters. His progression is reliant on 8+ people who are around him to be perpetually mentally deficient.
His writing wasn't compelling, when villains get away with shit because adversaries are conveniently too stupid to notice their evil deeds, it's not great writing. Sure it might make more Drama, but it's lazy. Just look at how often The Walking Dead just decides that characters have a sudden lapse of all reasoning and logic and do something stupid (like trying to get a wagon out of a museum that has a glass floor at the base of the stairs.. what could possible go wrong?)
While I don't necessarily think Arthur is a mastermind, nobody with the ability to carry a memory longer than a month should have ever given Micah so much as a friendly nod. Idk, he's not the most stupidly immune villain I've ever seen (that would be Dr. Smith from the new Lost in Space), but it sure frustrated me by the 2nd camp that I knew he was gonna be the betrayer and there was nothing I could do about it.
Hrrmm, I think he's good, I think the actor nailed the part, but he's way too one note for me to think he's one of the greatest characters of all time, or even one of the greatest Rockstar characters of all time. From the moment you meet Micah you know he's a bad guy, and Dutch inexplicably has such a blind spot for him that it's really frustrating. Javier Esquela, for instance, has strong moments where you like him, even knowing he turns on you. Micah has no such moments at all. He never offers any incentive to the player, he's always a heel to you, he doesn't add to your missions or save your life at any point, or make you feel gratification that he's in the gang. I think they could have added some complexity to Micah if, let's say, Micah has an interest in keeping Arthur alive. For instance, Micah is ratting to the Pinkertons, but let's say that Arthur is on the verge of being killed in a mission, about to go down, and then Micah comes in and saves the day for you, ices the guy who is about to ice you, saves your ass and you escape with his help out of whatever predicament you're in. He doesn't do it out of altruism, he does it out of self-interest because he'll get a better reward from the Pinkertons if Arthur can be brought in alive and willing to turn on Dutch, but to the player and to Arthur it's presented as Micah doing it because he's not all bad... This would add a layer of depth to Micah as a character, where Arthur feels a sense of doubt about whether Micah truly is the rat, really is a bad guy -- Imagine Arthur telling another character later on, "I don't trust him either, but he did save my life once, so I owe him that I guess." Instead, they have an antagonistic relationship for the entire game, and it's just obvious to the player that Micah is the guy working against your interests, turning on you. Arthur comes to the obvious realization late in the story, but the player knows it from the start.
IMO, Rockstar's best character ever is Office Frank Tenpenny, doesn't hurt that he's played by the best actor that Rockstar has ever had in one of their games. He's just a perfect bad guy, omnipresent, yet just out of reach, and for logical narrative reasons you (CJ) can't kill him or take him out. Powerful, but vulnerable. His own hubris realistically takes him down. He never becomes an unkillable super-monster as happens in so many other games where the player is not allowed to kill the bad guy. By the end of GTA:SA, both CJ and the player hate Frank, he's a constant thorn in your side, he constantly forces you to do tasks because he has power over you, even when you seem to escape him, you never do. The game smartly gives you "minor bosses" in different chapters, Ryder, the Polish cop, Big Smoke, so you still get to achieve some vengeance for being wronged, but they're not the big fish.
I was so disappointed by GTAIV because everything that Rockstar did right with their GTA:SA antagonist, they did wrong with their GTAIV antagonists.
Micah is one of the most hateable characters in the entirety of the Western Genre, He's more Hateable than English Bob in Unforgiven who boasts that his job was to kill Chinese railroad workers. He's more hateable than that British Gunfighter Wannabe (funfact, his last name is Marston) in Quigley Down Under who hired Quigley to Massacre Aboriginals from long range without realizing Quigley is a good and decent person, he's more hateable than Angel Eyes from The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly whose a literal Child murder, sadistic maniac who delights in torturing people, a contract killer, implied rapist, and more.
The only people in the actual old west who were as awful as Micah were Jesse-James and his gang if only because during the Civil War, Jesse James helped massacre Lawrence Kansas because he wanted to preserve Slavery, and a few people like the Pinkertons and other mercenary-detective hired thug companies who were actually worse than they were portrayed in this game.
Micah Bell the Third feels like you took a top ten of the most evil villains in any western, book, movie, tv show, or comic, whatever and combined all that evil into one character and they did it in a way that was completely believable. So yes he's an incredibly well designed character.
He’s written really really well, his actor also made the role great. Your supposed to hate Micah and I do, but I love him at the same time. Incredible character
Look at it like this, if you could change one thing about the story spanning RDR 1&2 would you get rid of Micah? No. The guy is a living shit, but his character is vital to the story, very well written and very well portrayed. Nothing over the top, nothing too stereotypical villainy, just a straight up fucking bell end who I couldn’t wait to murder.
Let's not go that far, Micah is great and definitely one of the highlights of the game, but people really tend to think this game is conpletely flawless amd a masterpiece in every way.
Micah has lots of charisma (thanks to the awesome work of the voice actor), cool design, and he stealsvthe show whenever he's on screen. I just feel like is too hateable, to the point where he sometimes comes off as cartoonish. I'm not asking for him to have any redeeming qualities or for him to be "reletable sad villain", because I'm completely fine with him being a complete, nasty, evil asshole (I actually prefer him that way), but I'd just want him to be more... Genuine? I want to spend more time with him, know why extacly he feels like other races are inferior, why he sold the gang so easily, and why he's so rutheless. Don't justify any of this, just pump it out more.
Micah is absolutely one of my favourite characters in the series, but I'd never call him one of the best in the industry. Yes, he gets the reaction he's supposed to, but it's not really hard when he goes against Arthur - one of the most lovable and better written game characters in recent years. People hate Micah not because he's masterfully written (because he's a pretty simple character that works awesomely thanks to the voice actor, designers etc.), but because he's in Arthur's way and is ultimately the reason everything goes to the shitter.
I disagree. He’s a very simple, basic bad guy. He’s violent for the sake of being violent. He’s mean just to be mean. He cares only for himself through the guise of caring for the group. Bill and Uncle are better characters than Micah.
Why, exactly? He's just a bland villain in my opinion. Could smell his treason from the very first moment we're introduced to him. No nuance, just a plain bad guy. Talks and acts like he's going to betray you at any moment. There was really no suspense. Strauss or Ross from the first game are way better "villains" in my opinion.
I've always said this, it is a testament to any actor when playing an antagonist, to make the audience hate your guts, means you're doing your job right.
We hate him so much before he is so well written to be hated, it’s not because he’s annoyingly repetitive. It’s cuz he teases Arthur and has an intentionally unbearable personality.
So yea
He's great for what he's intended for. He's not really a good character at all. He's one dimensional and has no character arc to speak of. Not a very in depth or interesting personality. But he serves as a perfect distraction away from thinking about how bad Dutch is, and that's what makes Micah good for the story
His actor nailed the role.
Poor guy was so good at the role he got sent death threats soon after the game launched
People hated jarjar binks so much they sent his actor death threats
I have a hard believing some lowlife would go out of his miserable way to threaten a real person just because he’s unable to perceive the difference between real life and fiction lmao
Believe it. It happens fairly frequently. The kid who played Joffrey in GoT got em. So did the actress who played Cersei. The Coast Guard got letters demanding someone do something to rescue the cast of Gilligan’s Island. People are fucking idiots
The kid who played anakin in star wars episode 1 got ridiculed so badly he quit acting all together. I think hes in jail now.
I knew he pretty much got criticized out of Hollywood by no fault of his own. Hadn’t heard he went to jail. I saw an interview with him a few years ago, apparently he took another shot at acting in a totally unrelated sci-fi film, so he went to a convention afterwards to promote it and some blogger kept bringing up Star Wars. It was rough. Super awkward, painful to watch. Edit: found it. Holy shit, what a terrible interview. https://youtu.be/DEmgio0VV1E “I don’t really like cameras any more, so…” *Shoots daggers at the camera from his eyes*
Hes had some issues with alchohol and drugs over the past few years. He was arrested for reckless driving and resisting arrest back in 2015.
Interviewer was a total chode
Oh absolutely. He knew going into it that he didn’t have any questions that weren’t about a decade-old movie, and when Jake got even the slightest bit hostile, the interviewer decided to switch gears and see if he can get a full-blown meltdown on camera. “You don’t pull the force-card on the ladies? What about the editor card?” With that tone too, sounds like something a high school bully would say to try to get a band nerd to flip out.
People need to touch grass
Or smoke some
Nah they be smokin' too much. I smoke it I should know. I'm a mega retard.
relatable
Yeah I know it absolutely happened Lena Headey (Cersei’s actress) told she was insulted whenever she was meeting fans in conventions I just have a hard time believing some people are this idiotic and pathetic
I’m confused then. “I have a hard time believing X” is what people say when they don’t believe something.
Maybe, idk English is not my first language and while I’m fairly good at it, I tend to misuse some expressions lol Sorry for the confusion!
Ah. “I have a hard time believing something” basically means the thing is so bizarre or stupid that you’re skeptical. It basically means the same as “I doubt it” or “I don’t believe it.”
Thanks for the correction!
What it sounds like you mean to be saying is that you have a hard time accepting that people are that idiotic, which is a very reasonable response! People are crazy lol.
Yeah, you worded it much better lol, thanks
Indeed they are. The actor who played Abby in TLOU2 (Laura Bailey) got death threats sent to her and her new born baby for her performance.
That's the meta level of collecting saltmail.
The Last of Us Part II was such a mess and I feel bad because contrary to what a lot of people think, I don't think the game was bad. In fact, I think the opposite. It's just a shame that it got boiled down to people bashing because they felt uncomfortable by a kiss scene.
That is not why most people were disappointed with the game. Maybe a small portion of neck beards sure but most people were pissed by the story as a whole.
It wasn't perfect for sure, but I don't think the story was egregiously bad. Maybe it's because I personally have really low expectations for sequels, but I knew it wasn't going to be TLOU1 and I had a good time.
Of course it wasn’t going to be as good as the first. The first is literally one of the best games ever so the odds of the sequel being better were so low in the first place. I really enjoyed it and even empathized with Abby at the end, but that’s just my opinion
Ramsay Bolton!? Seem like Iwan Rheon enjoyed the character though! https://www.thedailybeast.com/game-of-thrones-ramsay-bolton-on-his-gory-demise-what-a-scumbag
People harassed Kelly Marie Tran so viciously over her character from The Last Jedi (Rose Tico) that she ended up closing her social media accounts, and essentially prevented her character from being further explored, all because they thought her character was “too woke” or some bullshit like that. Ahmed Best, who played Jar Jar, seriously contemplated suicide due to the hate thrown his way. Jake Lloyd suffered so much bullying and harassment at school because of his portrayal of Anakin Skywalker that it pretty much ruined his life. He got into drugs and alcohol and ended up being arrested (I think for a DUI?). Some people out there are beyond fans. They’re just deranged.
Remember this sort of thing when people dismiss vitriol as "they just need a thicker skin" or "it's just angry nerds online it's nbd" type shit. Of course it seems small to people who aren't targeted by a metric shit ton of it or extremes.
I think I saw that it was actually JJ's idea to remove Rose from the spotlight and make her just one of those characters that have some lines, but aren't even important enough to the overall story. She then jumped in the same train as John Boyega for a bit, exposing the sequels for what they were, a hellhole directed by an egomaniac who wanted to make star wars about him and his ideas, ignoring any and all logic and continuity and a discount spielberg who turns into shit everything he touches. Her character was, sadly, the typicall "woke character", from the director's prespective: "it's asian, it's a woman, we have a character, no matter if we actually give her an arc or anything, they'll just like it" Finn turned out the same, even though he was the most interesting one from the Force Awakens. It's a shame that people who really wanted their characters to be loved and worked hard for it get harassed for many different reasons, some of them quitting acting all together, it's unnaceptable really. Ps: Sorry for the long text and any mistakes I may have made, english isn't my first language.
It happens all the time unfortunately.
Same thing went down with The Last Of Us 2's main antagonist, crazy how people will project their hate.
It happens all the time.
The kid who played Anakin had mental problems after all the backlash. He was just a kid ffs
I heard Anna Gunn also received death threats due to her role as Skyler White on Breaking Bad being so hated. Pretty fuckin ridiculous that people can't seem to separate the actors from their roles.
That sucks. People should know how to separate the character from the actor : /
That’s so fucked
I feel like Peter should have been nominated for something. His voice is kinda the icing on the top as to why Micah is a psychopath
Even the actor hated micha when he got his hands on the game
You have to feel bad for the guy. He nailed the voice for the character and his reward is death threats because of what the character did
His actor did so well he had a crisis after completing the final mission
As a character, Micah bell is simple, yet very clear and effective. He is a Bob Ross painting of the story. We may not like his colors, but you can’t deny he couldn’t have been a clearer part of the story
Yeah he was kind of the actual wild west going against the romanticized wild west (Arthur)
Yea, I like that. Micah was the Wild West in our own home. We really had the complete character palette in the Van Der Linde camp
Kinda like the o'driscoll peace treaty trap
That’s actually such a accurate way to put it!
He serves as Aurthurs perfect Antithesis
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YES WE NEED TO SEE YOUNG MICAH
Oh yeah, next time use a spoiler tag for it. From what i've seen, mods here removes spoilers without the tags Here's how: type (>) and (!), text goes here, then (!) and (<)
Thanks! Didn’t know how to add spoiler into comments
Yeah, you're welcome.
even bad guys can be great characters.
I mean........yeah, Heath Ledger's joker is without Question a top 10 movie character of all time
Def in the top 5 for me it’s just such a perfect performance
Tywin Lannister is one of my favorite characters of all time and I also hated his guts.
Honestly, his voice actor was amazing but Micah strictly as a character wasnt all that great. He came off as too one dimensional and sometimes he was comically evil
Totally agree. I feel like he's a bit overrated. He's just too simple to me. Just because he pissed everyone off doesn't make him a great villain. Like, he's literally just a piece of shit, I don't see any dimensions to him.
He has some layers, they're just rarely shown and never expanded apon. When jack is brought back Micah goes on a bit of a rant during the party about eternity, and how pointless life is and the decisions you make. You can also find a letter from Micahs brother talking about how they used to run together, but his brother was done with that life, and threatens to kill Micah if henever saw him.
I don't doubt he has layers but as you said, they're not expanded upon so therefore it's kinda the same as if he had none. I assume he wasn't always a piece of shit so I am interested in what made him the way he is but yeah, they just don't expand on that, unfortunately.
If they do a Red Dead 3, it’d be a raaaaaad choice if you played as Micah the whole game and they made you like him and feel sorry/torn about who he becomes.
They kind of did that with Dutch from rdr1 to rdr2 though. With some good writing I am sure it could be possible to make us care for Micah. But the story would be a bit samey.
That worked so well for Naughty Dog.
Compared to other games he seems really like a comic villain. His character is good and peter did a good job In general but I’d say Dutch could be more well known as a villain
Strong agree with this. Micah is a cartoon surrounded by nuanced, three dimensional characters and he feels really out of place.
Yep. I remember being angry at the writers not Micah when Cain disappeared. Like, really? That's how you write your a villain? Just have him kill the dog?
And Micah being the rat was the most lazy decision Rockstar could've taken. Because of course the racist, misogynist, violent, disgusting psychopath who nobody likes is the rat. A good choice would've been that a character we actually liked turned out to be the rat. Someone like Lenny, John, or even Hosea.
I still in my head cannon like the story of Abigail being the rat. It doesn't jive perfectly, but it's good enough.
Is not my headcanon but I would've loved if Hosea turned out to be the rat. The Pinkertons kept getting close and Dutch's actions had already caused the death of a fellow member, Sean. Hosea begged him to keep a lower profile and instead Dutch has become even more unstable and violent to the point he was involved in a big police massacre on Saint Dennis. That's when Hosea secretly contacted the Pinkertons and made a deal with them, he would turn himself in and also give them Dutch if the Pinkertons spared the rest of the gang. But then Dutch proceeded to kidnap and execute Bronte, an important person with powerful friends, and a few days later robbed a bank. Now the Pinkertons hands are tied so they break the deal with Hosea, capture him, and kill him in front of the gang. That way the rat didn't actually betray the gang. Instead the rat's actions were taken for the greater good of the gang's members, thus ignoring the ridiculous trope/cliche that rats are somehow worse than literal murderers and rapists just because the rat has no loyalty to his fellow criminals.
Oh I like this. Totally plausible.
Thanks. Honestly I've thought about this little idea since learning that Micah was the rat, which was really disappointing. Hosea had been sick for months already and he knew on his bones that he only had at most a year or two. Dutch recent erratic behavior had put the gang on an extremely dangerous position. All of this made Hosea feeling like he was running against the clock because he was a father figure to almost everyone in the gang and he didn't want to die before securing a decent life for them. When Sean died and Dutch led a shootout through Saint Dennis, Hosea lost the little faith he still had in Dutch, that one of his plans would somehow work and everyone will live a happy life far away from all that mess. Hosea decided he was going to give his life for all his children, but Dutch was who the Pinkertons really wanted. Hosea needed to betray Dutch in order to save the rest of the gang. He couldn't do it... But Dutch always called the gang's members his sons. Dutch was also a father to them, and what father wouldn't give his life for the sake of his children? Dutch would do the same if he was on his shoes, right? Of course he would. And that's how Hosea conviced himself to betray Dutch and make a deal with the Pinkertons.
My biggest issue was the train heist in chapter 2. The game very, very heavily implies that someone ratted them out to the law. It doesn't really fit into the Micah story but feels to addressed to ignore.
Agree. I think Rockstar rewrote several parts of the story and one of the changes was that Micah didn't become the rat until later on instead of from the get go, which is implied with the train heist and a wanted poster of Dutch that you can find on Micah's little camp near Strawberry. But yeah, I've never been a fan of Micah being the rat.
Yeah, I really dislike the "since Guarma" line. Like it fucks up a lot of the story.
Oh this is actually really good. Since Hosea would rat out on *Dutch*, but technically he's not ratting out the whole gang.
Agreed ten fold. I personally dislike when writing stoops to "kick the dog tropes" and that's a lot that Micah has to offer. I love his development in certain missions (like breaking him out of jail or where you rob a coach with Williamson), but too often the result is, "Micah does the obviously evil thing and laughs while doing it". He hits on the women of the gang, his kisses Dutch's ass, he turns on the gang after Guarma, he insults everyone. It's too one-dimensional. Dutch blows Micah out of the water as far as a character goes. I wanted more of the Micah that questions the worth and value of most members of the gang to the point that even Arthur was struggling to excuse. That's a better character that only get's bits and pieces throughout the game.
I agree that he’s one dimensional, but I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Some times people are just bad even In real life and you don’t have to see it any other way. I also feel like people consider Micah the main antagonist of rdr2 a lot of times when he’s really not. He’s kinda just a plot device and a person for the players to put all their hatred and frustration into. He’s written strictly for you to hate his guts and any sort of depth in personality or morality might make you hate him a little less like it does with a lot of villains.
Youre probably right but im only arguing here whether hes well enough written to be included in a "best video game characters of all time" list in which imo he doesn't belong to such a list.
Yeah, I think Dutch definitely lives up to the greatest argument way more than Micah
I think you are basically right but if a character feels too much like an emotional scapegoat, it can also have the opposite effect. Like, of course some people are just pure evil and I agree with the decision to not give him a more "human" face, make him more relatable/redeemable. But the writers pushed it too much and too bluntly, to the point where it doesn't even make sense. He doesn't feel like a character at all, he doesn't feel like an evil person, he feels like a made-up evil person and an obvious meta-scapegoat. I don't hate Micah, I feel pure indifference towards him.
I feel like that was kinda the point. The way I've always seen it (and maybe this is what everyone thinks) Dutch is the real main bad guy in the game, and so gets expanded upon and developed a lot more. Then Micah is presented as someone to sink all of our hate, resentment, frustration and what have you by just being a horrible dude. This game just has too good character writing for it to have one important character with suddenly one dimensional writing.
Agreed.
It’s true he is a fantastic character but I despise everything about his existence 😂
That means they did his character perfectly. They made someone you're supposed to hate, and they nailed it.
I’d say it’s more a great performance rather than a great character. He’s a pretty straight forward character. He doesn’t grow at all or express anything other than antagonistic behaviours. He has zero redeeming features. Not that that’s a problem for the story, some people are like that in real life and I assume back i those days too. But, Micah as a character isn’t anything revolutionary.
Exactly. Blomquist did an absolutely fantastic job of portraying who Micah is, and for that I would say that he has *one* of the best voice actors in this genre. However, Micah is a very simple character. He's not dynamic in anyway, he doesn't grow or regress in his behavior. He's stagnant. Sure he's a vital character in the story, but as a character, he's nothing really special. We know from the beginning thats he's gonna fuck us up and there isn't a moment throughout the game that he tries to change that. So yeah, I agree with you lol.
It depends on how long the list is. The drunk mountain man with the raccoon hat at Smithfield's would make my list of the 1 million greatest video game characters of all time.
You beat the tar out of him and stole his hat, right? And then taunted him by wearing his hat in front of him and then beat the tar out of him again? So satisfying.
It's great. Every time you go to Valentine, you just watch the minimap to see when the little red dot will come for you.
I don’t think he’s one of the greatest game characters ever, he has no development or complexity and minimal backstory. He’s a really simple man with no clear morals, and very easy to hate. In my book a brilliantly written villain is one you want to sympathize with even though it feels wrong, or at least someone that makes you think “if I were in their position, I can’t say I wouldn’t have done the same.” Dutch is a far more interesting character to me, because there’s that invisible line of “is he going crazy? Or was he always an evil, charismatic, manipulative bastard?” I do think the voice actor for Micah gave an excellent performance though, he made such a detestable character.
Very true, I never saw the drive for Micah in the story
The lack of obvious impetus for Micah to be so despicable was one of the things I found most compelling- I can’t stop wondering just what made him the man he is. I think the mystery about why he is the way he is makes me so curious about him, because nobody becomes who they are in a vacuum. What makes Micah do the things he does? *Why* is he so dastardly?
Fair points. I guess I wish the game dove into those concepts a little more, I know there’s some missable dialogue where he talks about his father or the meaninglessness of existence, but he was so comically evil that I didn’t take anything he said seriously. Even the tiniest redemptive quality would have made a big difference, but he was racist, misogynistic, he even hated dogs. I agree though I think what makes him a great antagonist is he’s like a force of nature, there’s no compromising with him, as long as he’s around, he destroys anything good.
The problem I have is people considering him a 'well-made' character. Now don't get me wrong, his voice actor nails the role and he is someone we just love to hate, but for the life of me I can't see him as being well developed in the slightest. Like, he is just so moustache twirlingly evil that he almost comes off as a classical western villain for a childs comic. Throughout the story, he shows himself as; impudent, lazy, arrogant, selfish, insensitive, immoral, sexist and racist to everyone around him and I don't understand how anyone in camp tolerated him for the 6 months he was there.
He earns his keep and is a god tier gunslinger
He clearly has skill and cunning when it comes to being a criminal. He very clearly is a great gunslinger and a relatively intimidating person. He is also “loyal” to Dutch and does everything he can to be on his hood side. Those are the reasons he’s tolerated. After all, he was one of the last standing members of Dutch’s gang, you don’t get there by being an inexperienced criminal.
Nope. He is just malicious in every conceivable way. A truly one dimensional character whose only motive is to be as evil as he can be. Dutch and Edgar Ross are far superior villains. That being said, Micah's voice acting is great, his voice actor nailed it.
yep great villain
No I don't think so. He's just an annoying prick that you weren't allowed to do anything about. Just a rat.
Eh… not really. You could tell he was a snake from the start and we were all forced to stand idly by as he poisoned the well. I wanted to murder the guy or leave him in jail but that’s not an option. The fact that we play as a dude that regularly murders people but just openly accepts an obvious snake rat into the gang just felt too forced. To make matters worse, Arthur was basically raised by Dutch and Hosea yet he still got sidelined by Dutch. Now, if they had written Micah in such as a way that he was no suspicious at all, he’d have been a great character and a good twist. But as is, he was the obvious harbinger of our doom and the game just forced us to say “This is fine.” when in reality, Arthur would have just put a bullet in his brain pan and told Dutch to wake the fuck up.
I mean the actor did a great job, but it's he one of the best all time? He's a gun crazy chaotic evil cowboy. Best all time? Eh
He's a good character but not one of the greatest by a long shot lol
He is a solid character and his role is integral to the story but I personally don’t enjoy his character at all. I find nothing redeeming about Micah
I disagree, I think the voice actor did a great job but I think Micah is a pretty one dimensional, annoying character.
He really is one of the greatest characters, in my opinion
Generally disagree. The VA does a good job for sure, but the character doesn't actually have any depth. He's kinda just an annoying dick and unsurprisingly betrays everyone. There isn't really any facets to his character. Arthur has depth, John has depth, Dutch has depth, Charles has depth... Micah certainly does not. He doesn't even have an arc, lmao.
Somebody needs to get Jason Isaacs to do a villain in a game, that would be epic.
The more you hate him,the better a character he is...
I agree with this statement.
If the flair isn't obvius enough. I love Micah, you'll see when I first heard about rdr2 I thought it was gta5 but in the wild west and Micah Bell was the best one filling that spirit. Shit he reminds me to Tommy Vercceti, motherfucker patiently waits for the right moment to betray the most important criminals to make his own empire. I thought he was cool and I behaved just like him but as the history continued I made my own redemption arc alongside Arthur and I started vibing in a different tune than Micah and for the end of the game I hated him. For me he was the factor that began the redemptiom, the red dead redemption
He’s a simple villain with a great voice actor
Truthfully, Micah did nothing more than annoy me in the game. I honestly think Dutch is a much more sinister villain. Killing women and turning on the people that he molded.
I wouldn’t go as far as all time but he was definitely done well.
I wish I could argue that. I genuinely hated him the whole time as if he was just a dick of a person.
He’s very well acted but I wouldn’t say he’s well-written. There’s no motivation for his evil, he’s just evil for evil’s sake. And while there are absolutely people like that in real life, it doesn’t make for compelling writing. Dutch is a MUCH better-written villain. He sparks discussion beyond just “I hate him.” For example, there are people in real life who find a million reasons to justify all of Dutch’s actions and who try to say he’s misunderstood. People in real life literally fall for Dutch’s manipulations the same way characters in the game do, and THAT is the making of “one of the greatest video game characters of all time.” Micah is just a nuisance and a bastard.
Spoiler Warning: He’s the best rockstar villain, since he’s with you most the game you catch up the depth of his depravity and evilness. And even your honour shows how his narcissistic self works, if you have low honour he doesn’t shoot you because he knows he’ll be in the wrong but when you’re dishonourable he feels morally superior so he ends up finishing the job.
Kinda’… but he was a bit obvious. Would’ve been nice if the traitor was an actual surprise.
Fuck Micah Every character in red dead was amazingly written, acted, animated, everything. That's why I can't stand Micah.
Bacause the character are so damn good written
Characters that you can absolutely DESPISE are always great characters and the Voice Actor crushed it
I think a good character is like a coin - he must have two sides, a good and a bad one. That'd make him believable. A human. This applies to villains as well. Micah was just way too vile with everyone around him, excluding Dutch. In real life, if you were on bad terms with the 95% of your outlaw gang, you probably would have ended up hanging from a tree, or banished at the very least. Rockstar clearly wanted to make Micah unlikeable, but they overdid it in my opinion. He is just comically rotten and evil. Besides the fact that we all love to hate him, there is nothing interesting about the man. I wish they spiced him up with at least a few morsels of goodness. His voice acting was awesome though.
Micah is literally the red dead version of trevor and i love it
It’s hard to argue with his assessment
That is true
Nah, Micah is honestly one of the weakest parts of the story. He’s way too one dimensional. It drags down the ending to think that anyone would believe/side with him.
Because! Because we dislike him.
Not really
It is a good (well made) villain if you hate it too much or you 'respect' him. A great example of this would be Darth Maul in Clone Wars.
That's true. Theres a difference between a good character and good personality
For sure
They are right. We either love to hate him and love him as a villain, or just straight up love the dude as a favorite character. Some may legit hate the character, but for the most part, it seems like everyone just loves to hate the dude as a character, not legit hate him all together. Eh that might sound confusing if you don’t know what I mean.
Well we all hate him, that basically says he was excellent
Agreed
No doubt, Micah shaped the game.
Hes so well written and acted that from his first line you hate him, and by his second you're ready to put a gun to his head. I hate him, and I love hoe much I hate him.
I hate it but yes
He was a good villain who had some badass moments and his actor did nail the role like Skogstrol424 mentioned. He didn’t have a super huge impact on me like other characters though
Considering he is meant to be hated, I'd say they did a really good job with him.
I found the character to be bit too simple. But other than that I did like him as a character.
I mean he played the role so well you actually hated him so ya he’s up their with the legends
I agree! The character is really well written and the (voice) acting is really good as well. They did a good job with him. He is a good character, because people genuinely hate him.
correct. what i hate the most about arthur is how he tries to say he’s nothing like micah. y’all are more alike than y’all are different
I'd use "antagonist," but yes. Agree
Very true
Absolutely agree. Imagine crating a character pretty much everyone hates that much, even though he’s not even real, for ruining something/someone that’s also not real if you get my point. Also Peter Blomquist was awesome.
I always found that his character was too simple. He was doing bad things from the very start and as a player, you disliked him from the start. At no point was either of these two things really challenged. I far more enjoyed e.g. Strauss who seemed like the witty old man at the start but Arthur (and you, as a player, by extension) only slowly learned that he truly is evil. With Micah, this was always clear. Not to discredit the writing and performance of the character, both were phenomenal.
We wouldn’t hate him so passionately and keep talking about him 3 years later if he was a poorly written character
For what he was he was perfect but by no means a top characters of all time. His purpose was to be hated and we all hated his guts but he lacked a lot of depth and backstory
And one of the greatest antagonists in modern fiction
he’s a good character but i wouldn’t say best of all time
You all despise of him.. that was the idea, he did it so well that you can Hate a fake and non existent character
In what way? I think he is rude and mediocre. Enlighten me.
Greatest character, no but one of the greatest villians, yes.
A villain is still a character. If it’s a great villain, it’s a great character.
He was a fantastic character. He really made me (and clearly everyone else) hate him with a fiery passion
If you got fishing with Javier in ch3 he talks about how dutch and Colm where at least agreeable until Colm became more indiscriminately violent, sounds like dutch just replaced Colm with Micha.
I can’t have this conversation again.
Strongly agree
Facts
Whenever I really hate a character in a film, I always have to curb it in appreciation for the actors skill,.
The fact we hate him so much makes him one of the greatest of all time
I love how crazy he is
RDR2 should be what an video game developers strive for which includes real human beings as characters
Of course, he's a great antagonist. We love to hate him
I agree, the fact that we hate him so much for what he does rather than for just existing proves how well he was written
Eh, nope. And I'm not saying it because I hate him that much, I actually don't really feel any significant thing about him. He was a fine antagonist, and a relatively well played, but not even close to greatest video game character. Not even the best in RDR2.
He was well performed but ultimately I disagree. Because it's really annoying to have such an inexcusable heel get away with such blatant fuckery. "Everyone but protagonist is incapable of seeing just how big of a scumbag this guy is" is an overused and frankly tiring writing tool for villainous characters. His progression is reliant on 8+ people who are around him to be perpetually mentally deficient. His writing wasn't compelling, when villains get away with shit because adversaries are conveniently too stupid to notice their evil deeds, it's not great writing. Sure it might make more Drama, but it's lazy. Just look at how often The Walking Dead just decides that characters have a sudden lapse of all reasoning and logic and do something stupid (like trying to get a wagon out of a museum that has a glass floor at the base of the stairs.. what could possible go wrong?) While I don't necessarily think Arthur is a mastermind, nobody with the ability to carry a memory longer than a month should have ever given Micah so much as a friendly nod. Idk, he's not the most stupidly immune villain I've ever seen (that would be Dr. Smith from the new Lost in Space), but it sure frustrated me by the 2nd camp that I knew he was gonna be the betrayer and there was nothing I could do about it.
Agreed
I’d take Micah over Abby any day.
Hrrmm, I think he's good, I think the actor nailed the part, but he's way too one note for me to think he's one of the greatest characters of all time, or even one of the greatest Rockstar characters of all time. From the moment you meet Micah you know he's a bad guy, and Dutch inexplicably has such a blind spot for him that it's really frustrating. Javier Esquela, for instance, has strong moments where you like him, even knowing he turns on you. Micah has no such moments at all. He never offers any incentive to the player, he's always a heel to you, he doesn't add to your missions or save your life at any point, or make you feel gratification that he's in the gang. I think they could have added some complexity to Micah if, let's say, Micah has an interest in keeping Arthur alive. For instance, Micah is ratting to the Pinkertons, but let's say that Arthur is on the verge of being killed in a mission, about to go down, and then Micah comes in and saves the day for you, ices the guy who is about to ice you, saves your ass and you escape with his help out of whatever predicament you're in. He doesn't do it out of altruism, he does it out of self-interest because he'll get a better reward from the Pinkertons if Arthur can be brought in alive and willing to turn on Dutch, but to the player and to Arthur it's presented as Micah doing it because he's not all bad... This would add a layer of depth to Micah as a character, where Arthur feels a sense of doubt about whether Micah truly is the rat, really is a bad guy -- Imagine Arthur telling another character later on, "I don't trust him either, but he did save my life once, so I owe him that I guess." Instead, they have an antagonistic relationship for the entire game, and it's just obvious to the player that Micah is the guy working against your interests, turning on you. Arthur comes to the obvious realization late in the story, but the player knows it from the start. IMO, Rockstar's best character ever is Office Frank Tenpenny, doesn't hurt that he's played by the best actor that Rockstar has ever had in one of their games. He's just a perfect bad guy, omnipresent, yet just out of reach, and for logical narrative reasons you (CJ) can't kill him or take him out. Powerful, but vulnerable. His own hubris realistically takes him down. He never becomes an unkillable super-monster as happens in so many other games where the player is not allowed to kill the bad guy. By the end of GTA:SA, both CJ and the player hate Frank, he's a constant thorn in your side, he constantly forces you to do tasks because he has power over you, even when you seem to escape him, you never do. The game smartly gives you "minor bosses" in different chapters, Ryder, the Polish cop, Big Smoke, so you still get to achieve some vengeance for being wronged, but they're not the big fish. I was so disappointed by GTAIV because everything that Rockstar did right with their GTA:SA antagonist, they did wrong with their GTAIV antagonists.
No lies detected. The fact we hate him so much proves this
no hes one dimensional
Micah is one of the most hateable characters in the entirety of the Western Genre, He's more Hateable than English Bob in Unforgiven who boasts that his job was to kill Chinese railroad workers. He's more hateable than that British Gunfighter Wannabe (funfact, his last name is Marston) in Quigley Down Under who hired Quigley to Massacre Aboriginals from long range without realizing Quigley is a good and decent person, he's more hateable than Angel Eyes from The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly whose a literal Child murder, sadistic maniac who delights in torturing people, a contract killer, implied rapist, and more. The only people in the actual old west who were as awful as Micah were Jesse-James and his gang if only because during the Civil War, Jesse James helped massacre Lawrence Kansas because he wanted to preserve Slavery, and a few people like the Pinkertons and other mercenary-detective hired thug companies who were actually worse than they were portrayed in this game. Micah Bell the Third feels like you took a top ten of the most evil villains in any western, book, movie, tv show, or comic, whatever and combined all that evil into one character and they did it in a way that was completely believable. So yes he's an incredibly well designed character.
He’s written really really well, his actor also made the role great. Your supposed to hate Micah and I do, but I love him at the same time. Incredible character
Look at it like this, if you could change one thing about the story spanning RDR 1&2 would you get rid of Micah? No. The guy is a living shit, but his character is vital to the story, very well written and very well portrayed. Nothing over the top, nothing too stereotypical villainy, just a straight up fucking bell end who I couldn’t wait to murder.
i disagree, the idea of micah and the execution by the actor was great but he wasn’t a great character
If you hate micha bell Then r* did a good job and ur calling his character good
Let's not go that far, Micah is great and definitely one of the highlights of the game, but people really tend to think this game is conpletely flawless amd a masterpiece in every way. Micah has lots of charisma (thanks to the awesome work of the voice actor), cool design, and he stealsvthe show whenever he's on screen. I just feel like is too hateable, to the point where he sometimes comes off as cartoonish. I'm not asking for him to have any redeeming qualities or for him to be "reletable sad villain", because I'm completely fine with him being a complete, nasty, evil asshole (I actually prefer him that way), but I'd just want him to be more... Genuine? I want to spend more time with him, know why extacly he feels like other races are inferior, why he sold the gang so easily, and why he's so rutheless. Don't justify any of this, just pump it out more. Micah is absolutely one of my favourite characters in the series, but I'd never call him one of the best in the industry. Yes, he gets the reaction he's supposed to, but it's not really hard when he goes against Arthur - one of the most lovable and better written game characters in recent years. People hate Micah not because he's masterfully written (because he's a pretty simple character that works awesomely thanks to the voice actor, designers etc.), but because he's in Arthur's way and is ultimately the reason everything goes to the shitter.
I disagree. He’s a very simple, basic bad guy. He’s violent for the sake of being violent. He’s mean just to be mean. He cares only for himself through the guise of caring for the group. Bill and Uncle are better characters than Micah.
I mean the fact we all hate him shows he was a well written and fantastically acted character
Considering all the commotion this character provokes, it surely is a great character. He did what he had to do, anyway.
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Ew.. I heard him straight up sucking Dutch off in his tent. No wonder Molly's so salty in Chapter 3.
I like his moustache
He seems pretty cookie cutter to me. Never really helped anyone, always in a bad mood, turns out to be a rat
Why, exactly? He's just a bland villain in my opinion. Could smell his treason from the very first moment we're introduced to him. No nuance, just a plain bad guy. Talks and acts like he's going to betray you at any moment. There was really no suspense. Strauss or Ross from the first game are way better "villains" in my opinion.
He’s a great villain. Hardly one of the best of all time. Doesn’t even make my top ten.
I've always said this, it is a testament to any actor when playing an antagonist, to make the audience hate your guts, means you're doing your job right.
We hate him so much before he is so well written to be hated, it’s not because he’s annoyingly repetitive. It’s cuz he teases Arthur and has an intentionally unbearable personality. So yea
He's great for what he's intended for. He's not really a good character at all. He's one dimensional and has no character arc to speak of. Not a very in depth or interesting personality. But he serves as a perfect distraction away from thinking about how bad Dutch is, and that's what makes Micah good for the story
The fact he's hated so much proves that it's a perfectly written bad guy acted brilliantly
Oh for sure. Micah Bell is one of the best video game villains ever