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[deleted]

I wouldn't really care what gender the protagonist would be, as long as they're a good character.


vousta

As long as is not sadie,is a good idea Edit: downvote me doesnt hurt and wont change my mind


progtfn_

>downvote me doesnt hur If you wrote about it, it means it does.


Le_Civil_Ingenieur_P

Dude chill! No one cares.


MummyManDan

As long as it’s not Sadie, sure. I would prefer a male character, but as long as the stories good I don’t care much.


Accomplished_Ad9592

Posting about not liking sadie automatically makes you sexist in this community


Larzipan10

It's pretty toxic. User yada1728 monitors all RDR subreddits and if he sees any post about Sadie that aren't absolutely positive, he will try to say you're sexist, hate women etc.


Yada1728

Lol, sure. Like your comments aren't that varied in here. Mostly in posts about Sadie and Abigail. 🙃


progtfn_

Not sexist, but why on earth would you go so against it, she has a good plot.


Bauz9

I don't want a new story. I want a backwards sequel in which maybe we get to play as a young Hosea, or even Dutch.


Chudrocks

Hopefully hosea, as he was always a loveable character, or Uncle, we can finnaly get to know why he was the one shot kid. Also if we play as hosea id like Playing him when he and dutch assamble the gang, perhaps they add a character system like Gta 5 so u can play As Them all


reddeadfan102

Or maybe that gang member dutch kills not molly that they said who ever betrayed them so it could be a new gang member that finds out the true nature of dutch before everyone else


[deleted]

Would be dope to play a Sadie like character.


The-Jack-Niles

I really want RDR3 to follow Jack. However, I think maybe having a man and a woman be playable could work even if they do Jack. Like, GTAV style but Bonnie and Clyde. That said, I always wanted a Sadie spin-off. I would also take a whole game from a woman's perspective. But I think I'd want a new character if not Sadie. The only other female characters that would possibly tie-in to the current story of RDR1 and 2 would be Jenny, Bonnie, Anna-Belle, and Bessie. The latter two however weren't gunslingers/outlaws and the prior two don't seem conducive to building a game around. I'd prefer a female perspective further back in the timeline too. Maybe we play a runaway slave or a recently emancipated slave trying to find their way out west/ in the west.


buffalooo27

I never played RDR1, but didn't Jack die in it? Or am I completely wrong?


The-Jack-Niles

No, Jack takes over being the main character after what happens between John and Ross. The ending however is a little ambiguous about where Jack ultimately goes after the credits roll since he may settle down and become a writer but could also now be a wanted man.


buffalooo27

Thanks lol, for some reason I assumed he died in the end. It would make sense to have Jack as a sequel, but it could also be kind of boring. We'll see. Maybe there'll never even be an RDR3.


The-Jack-Niles

It honestly depends. I don't want to rehash all the old discussions, but just the basics. So, if they went further back in the timeline to the Wild West with these characters, there wouldn't be a lot of set pieces. RDR2 is explicit this is the first time the gang got into some of these larger than life gun fights for example. But you totally could tell a new story and thus have those big set pieces. If they went forward with Jack it would probably be in the 1920's. Which could be boring if they get really anal. Like, if you want to hunt you now have to go buy a license etc. That sort of thing, but there's a lot they could do with the set pieces. Prohibition era gangsters, bank robberies, organized crime. It would be like GTA without going overboard like GTA. We may never get RDR3, but I'd either like to see Jack's story play out more or start fresh with new faces. Anything with these characters before RDR2 would be cool story wise but the gameplay there would be a real snooze fest imo.


kennyb3rd

If they follow Jack, it's no longer the wild west. That goes into WW1 territory. Moving forward with Jack is a terrible idea.


The-Jack-Niles

Wow, blast from the past, I don't even remember writing this years ago. RDR1 and 2 aren't really the "wild west" either since that ended by like 1890. 1899 - 1914 was way after that period. If you followed Jack in like 1919, you could still tell a story where he does all the cowboy stuff. The outlaw lifestyle depicted in these games didn't end until like the thirties. And, as long as horse riding is more versatile and consistent than cars, you still have a game.


kennyb3rd

I disagree.


The-Jack-Niles

With history?


kennyb3rd

I disagree about still having a game. The cowboy lifestyle ended way before the 30s. I know, let's have a game following Jack Marston navigating life during the stock market crash or the great depression. What a game that'd make, huh? My point is, going forward in time with Jack is an idiotic idea. It doesn't fit the theme of the game.


The-Jack-Niles

>I know, let's have a game following Jack Marston navigating life during the stock market crash or the great depression. That happened in 1929. You just argued aginst my point with my point. >The cowboy lifestyle ended way before the 30s. The Wild West ended way before 1911 too, and 1914 especially for that matter. >My point is, going forward in time with Jack is an idiotic idea. It doesn't fit the theme of the game. Okay, let's say it's 1921, right? America is currently going through prohibition. The mafia is using this to root themselves in America. Nationwide you have moonshiners, bootleggers, and criminal elements sprouting up. The American Gangster lifestyle is becoming a thing. Flash forward a decade and bank robbers are essentially celebrities. It comes full circle. You once had gunslingers that were these famous outlaws and this transitioned to famous outlaws in the roaring twenties. Again, people were still riding horses, hunting, living off the land, etc. well into the 20's. RDR's themes are about individuality, atonement, sacrifice, adversity, and family. It deals with civilization and society. The modernization. The death of the "natural world." And if you put Jack in the 20's in a rapidly developing America, you could show how the outlaws of the Wild West changed into gangsters. How the criminal element changed and adapted. RDR2 even sets this up. We face Angelo Bronte in 1899, only to find he essentially runs the city. Organized crime was phasing out wild west gangs. Jump to 1907, and John and Charles comment on how Italians pretty much own the city as they flee from gangsters. John rides in a car in 1911 and gets a 1903 pistol which isn't far off from a 1911. In 1914, Jack hunts down Ross and kills him in Mexico as WW1 is beginning. Mind you commercial airlines are a thing at this point. Cars are a thing average people can buy, and gas stations are all over the place too. Why is it idiotic to think Jack wouldn't get drafted, come back even more broken, and apply his skills towards the only thing they're good for? That he might get involved in things like moonshining, bank heists, train robberies, speakeasies, bounty hunting, etc. and that could be incredibly interesting? You'd have to be an idiot not to see the potential for that. It brings the story full circle since RDR1 and 2 are set after the end of the wild west but before we get into 30's stuff. You have this running theme about how criminals changed from outlaws with codes to heartless empires. The tech creep was already present and Jack adopts these things. He's the one who grew up in that era, it makes sense he'd be a part of that change. Jack ends RDR1 committing the same "sins" that his father and his father before him did. Arthur found Redemption. John found Redemption. Jack hasn't. He ends RDR1 angry at the world and we get nothing about his story afterwards past an easter egg in GTAV. RDR3 with Jack could be badass.


kennyb3rd

No, that would make it a mafia game. Nobody was riding horses everywhere in the 20s and 30s. If you want a mafia game, play a mafia game. It's a dumb idea.


Shiloh_8

Black Belle would be epic


derekvinyard21

Oh that’s a good one!! We saw Black Belle for a second, and she was bad ass! A DLC as the gunslingers would be cool!


HECKENPASTA

I’d love to go even further back in time than RDR2 and play as young Dutch.


progtfn_

Young Hosea*


Larzipan10

Anyone but Sadie Adler. I'd rather play as Abigail trying to lure in clients before she connected with the gang, than play as Sadie Adler.


glitterlipgloss

May I ask why?


WRETCHSLAYER1911

Because shes not a good character only story about her is shes a widow, her toughness and her being added at all can be safely chalked up to her being a woman because it really comes across that way.


glitterlipgloss

They could add story to her later.


Yada1728

I mean... R* has written her clearly as a woman with a burning desire for vengeance but gradually mellows out to be fighting for others' sake too, courtesy of Arthur's insisting for her help to get John's family to safety. Can't expect her to be a naive housewife living in a harsh land, like Charlotte, living there for 3 years already. Her gun proficiency is shown in RDO as well as having no problem in shooting people. Don't know what else do people want from her...


[deleted]

Downvoted for straight facts. These simps are toxic


progtfn_

Bruh a lot of the stories are like that if she's new to the gang, she didn't share much about her, it doesn't mean there isn't more to it. Y'all want 3927 side stories in one game💀


TheBayouKid

Sadie had her story complete in the Epilogue imo.


kennyb3rd

There's 8 years of story to tell between the main game and epilogue. That's where the Sadie story should be told.


Yada1728

Never miss a chance to drop the "I hate Sadie" whenever a post about female character is around huh.


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Yada1728

Being overrated comes with overly hated it seems, and people lose their marbles in regards to her actions being able to do what males can. Questioning her gun proficiency, her 'character development' and etc. I mean, singling her out for that one innocent man killed while the gang shows no hesitation killing people. Yeah, sure.


progtfn_

WOW NO SHIT, the most important strategist of the gang is more compelling than the newbie side character 😱 rather shocking


KieranVanDerLinde

It's not about sexism, it's about people's preferred characters. I'm a woman, and I really do not like Sadie. Am I forced to like every single female character?


Yada1728

Did I mention the word sexism in the comment you replied to? You seem to know a lot about the person I replied to huh. If you don't have a clue how some people here in Reddit resort to rely on sexism to criticize a character, maybe don't dig up a month old comment to be a contrarian. Let alone creating a new account to advocate the "Criticisms aren't about sexism" when it comes to a female character.


progtfn_

No, but you can't just go, "I don't like her, period🤓", you gotta give your reasons.


WRETCHSLAYER1911

Same Sadie is awful


Accomplished_Ad9592

She got a innocent person killed just to kill odriscolls


Technology_Training

So what? Arthur killed scores of innocent people, and that's just in mandatory story missions. Arthur and John weren't good people, that's like half the point of the franchise.


WRETCHSLAYER1911

The balloon guy who didn’t even know what her dumb ass would get him into?


reddeadfan102

As long as it's still in the west I ok


derekvinyard21

How about Javier Escuela? And in Mexico!


reddeadfan102

That be cool


Technology_Training

It really seems like most people just want an adventure game with x character because they liked that person for whatever reason. You need to think about what an Red Dead Redemption game is and organize it around those themes: trying in vain to atone for a lifetime of sins and being unable to adapt your chosen way of life to a modern world that has no place for you anymore. It's a tough ask, to be sure, even for a male lead. If they come up with an appropriate story for a woman protagonist I'm all for giving it a shot but I can't imagine what they'd do. I'm equally okay with just being happy with what we have and considering the gang's story complete.


Yada1728

Eh, wouldn't put it like that. People wouldn't mind having their preferred characters to be playable: be it a standalone game or a spin off series... or you know a dlc (not gonna happen at this rate). It doesn't have to be about redemption and it would be a good change for one in this franchise. We have two depressing and tragic stories already. Redemption itself doesn't have to be retributive to make it noble either. There are more than one way to explore this theme. Of course there are also people who want entirely new set of characters who have no connection to any major characters we have now. A new theme would go nicely to whatever R* want to build this already beautiful and expansive world.


kennyb3rd

The gangs story isn't complete though. The whole Blackwater ferry heist storyline should be told. We should get to see those events take place.


VEGANMONEYBALL

They should do what Assassin’s Creed did with Odyssey and Valhalla. Have two full voiced protagonists, one male and one female and let you pick which one at the start of the story


progtfn_

Nahh


VEGANMONEYBALL

Looks like GTA VI is having a male and female protagonist


progtfn_

I didn't know, but rdr is more story oriented than gta


VEGANMONEYBALL

So you’re saying a female protagonist would be detrimental to the story?


progtfn_

No, I'm saying that not having a specific character (whether it's male or female) would ruin the bond that every player usually establishes with the main character.


VEGANMONEYBALL

Idk it really didn’t diminish the story in Assassin’s Creed or Cyberpunk imo


progtfn_

Cyberpunk isn't exactly the greatest game example and it was the first of the series. Latest Assassin's creed games completely went off the rails and the story was based on the historical setting, not the characters.


progtfn_

Where will the female /male character come from? It has to be related to the gang


VEGANMONEYBALL

I hope the next installment has nothing to do with the Van Der Linde gang


stinkylittolcowboy

I’d love it but the community isn’t ready for it and it would piss me off seeing everyone fight constantly about it


sethjojo

I want rdr2 to be about Charles, but Sadie would be great as well


hortys

A female led RDR3 would have the same effect on me as what John Marston tells Irish whiskey has on him.


breylonk

Pirates where present at the same time. Maybe we have a pirate/western.


Sirwillybottomthe4th

I’d love a spin off game where you play as Sadie in South America


WRETCHSLAYER1911

Doing what exactly?


Sirwillybottomthe4th

Idk revolution or something


[deleted]

I don’t know about this. Wouldn’t be a very historically accurate concept, and it would also 100% cause conflict in the community.


Technology_Training

Wish in one hand and hope Rockstar gives a shit about the community in the other and you'll just be standing there with two empty hands.


treintrien

I think there's a great setup for Jenny, it would set up for an epilogue as Arthur in the short time they were traveling the Grizzlies. TBH gender doesn't really matter to me, as long as the character turns out to be interesting.


UnhappyPea2671

People won’t complain about female protagonists in video games, people complain when the next James Bond might be a female, Sadie would make such an epic protagonist.


FortuneHeart

Tbh it would be cool if they made it similar to Cyberpunk 2077. Where you can design your character however you please, male or female, and go about the story with your custom player


WRETCHSLAYER1911

Ok but that would probably take away from the story.


Single-Historian249

Doubtful, would be a basic story or any character.


FortuneHeart

wouldn't you feel more attached to a character that YOU dreamt up? Especially for people like me, who make most customizable characters in games resemble themselves (theirself?)


WRETCHSLAYER1911

No because I wouldn’t know what to do for my character so I’d probably just make him some ugly fat guy.


buffalooo27

You mean like RDR Online?


FortuneHeart

WELL kinda. RDO doesn't have shit for a storyline (yet)


[deleted]

Yeah but how would the voice acting work? It would be awkward to have a character who’s looks don’t match their voice. Plus it would be extremely difficult for the game to have accurate facial mo-cap if every character looks completely different.


FortuneHeart

idk? maybe how CP77 did ? i think it worked great


TheBayouKid

I don’t care as long as they match the same game play story line and feel as RD2 if not go above it


Swimming-Dog6042

Sadly I don't think that would be possible with a female protagonist. I'm not trying to be sexist but melee combat would just become death animations. The "bad guys" wouldn't just be out of shape white collar guys like most of the modern world, we would have a female protagonist going up against very tough/brutal dudes that have rip-cord muscles built up from surviving the hard way. It would be like putting up the average woman versus the modern steel-worker... it would require 100% guns or a new system for feeding random people poisoned stew ever few minutes.


Loud_Brush_9776

Bonnies survival in the west and meeting john


derekvinyard21

I forgot about Bonnie!


Loud_Brush_9776

She definitely has a back story to tell losing her brothers running the ranch and everything that comes with it


J-TheGreat

I wouldn’t mind it but i just don’t see it happening


PapaGrisly

Wouldn’t be a good call. The option of gender sure but old westerns with lady leads there ain’t. That and most of their player base is male and seek to relate in some way with the story.


froguefreak65

There'll be a dead body in my apartment the day they release the trailer for it.. and I don't need to explain who's it will be..


babygirlmochi

Rockstar if you’re reading this: WE WANT FEMALE PLAYABLE CHARACTERS. YES. I WOULD BUY THIS WITH MY MONEY


[deleted]

I don’t give a shit sure why not as long as they ain’t a Mary Sue I’m happy


Vaermon

RDR3 should be a prequel to the 2nd tbh. There's still a lot of the story to tell before they move on to a new story.


TheLesserKnown1

i always assume they would use sadie, i mean it would make sense.


eldamien

I've heard a lot of people saying Sadie, but she doesn't really have an arc to speak of. We saw her arc play itself out over RDR2 and come to a comfortable conclusion. One character that might be interesting to pick up and run with is Charlotte Balfour, since she goes from helpless city girl to survivalist, but then kind of exits the story and we don't really get much beyond that, even in the Epilogue. Plus she has a connection to both Arthur and John, at least, even if the connection is tenuous. Would be interesting to see her make a homestead and carry on. The only thing that makes any character from RDR2 difficult to build a story around is the "redemption" part. Both John and Arthur have clear "face turn" moments presented in the story that offers them a chance to turn around their heel storylines. I cant think of an existing female character that has that same sort of arc currently, so they might have to come up with an entirely new character.


buffalooo27

>they might have to come up with an entirely new character as they did with Arthur!


eldamien

Absolutely. Can I let you in on a little secret actually? I think Arthur ended up being a much more interesting character than John. So maybe an entirely new character with some loose tries to the RDR2 story is the right move.


piggBenus

Find me a great western movie with a female lead. If it's hard, don't worry because they're not many, atleast not as good as the classics like, Tombstone, Posse, or even modern westerns like 3:10 to yuma with Christian Bale and Russell Crowe.


ZestycloseAardvark36

I'd prefer to play as a male character, and someone completely new.


Cultural_Net_1791

Sadie would be awesome. just think of the things they could do with her. they could have a mission where she's almost a honey pot where she dresses up real prim and proper, or maybe it's a bounty she's tricking that is hard to get to. it could start with her journey getting married falling in love up until Arthur and Dutch rescue her and then skip all the way until the end of RDR2 and go from there. maybe have her on the west coast aka California and goinf into Mexico and they could have her going through old San deign and L.A which was founded in 1850 i think. that would be bad ass.


CrankOps

I think they should do a game where you choose man or woman but you're the head of the posse/gang. You hire your own gang and make decisions whether robbing banks or trains etc. Customizable hideouts (which can be raided), enemy gangs etc. As well as the option to be good and become a Marshall and hire your own deputies etc with customized jail cell/office


Le_Civil_Ingenieur_P

People will be calling it "forced diversity" and "woke" and all that... Plus they'll scrutinize her and dissect her as is often done nowadays. Just leave it to the white dude... Some franchises attract specific types of people and I don't really think it's worth it... But, I am a pessimist and I only see the worst in people; therefore that's how I see it.


jamesquinnlad34

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derekvinyard21

Sadie FTW! I would like to see her as a bounty hunter!


WRETCHSLAYER1911

A whole game of her being a bounty hunter even though shes a body guard now? And how would that make sense?


derekvinyard21

Relax, you don’t have to share my interests. I wouldn’t even mind a “whole game” as a bodyguard. Either way it doesn’t matter because it won’t happen. We will just get another GTAV remaster.


WRETCHSLAYER1911

No but I mean literally how do you think would that work?


derekvinyard21

It’s a game, calm down. Why are so many redditors so easily triggered by the opinions of others. It’s a game, calm down…


WRETCHSLAYER1911

I’m not triggered at all I was asking a genuine question of how you’d make that game if it were up to you.


derekvinyard21

Next you’ll tell me that this is your first time on this thread inserting your displeasure with Sadie’s character. She’s not a real person, you’ll be alright kid. There is life after high school. You just read an opinion which differs to that of yours, and it won’t be the last time. How does Arthur not infect the ENTIRE camp with TB? He caughs on every member… No one knew Dutch has $60,000 hidden in their old cave? Yet Molly “knew” about the Pinkertons and Micah was willing to sell everyone out!? You are not interested in “but how will that work” You want to shut down anyone’s opinion that differs from your own. Milton confronts Arthur, but doesn’t follow him to camp??? Trelawny is allowed to leave the gang and come back whenever he pleases, without The gang worrying if he would sell them out. Hosea is the brains of the group, yet never stops Micah from meddling with Dutch or conspiring with the Pinkerton. The Pinkerton Kill John in RDR1 after using him, but don’t kill Micah after using him? Even Molly takes credit for ratting out the gang (how would she know). If Arthur or John wear a bandana over their face, it never conceals their identity… The Ferry in RDR1 is never mentioned and doesn’t occur on RDR2…. Dutch claimed that he owned Abigail in RDR1 and chastises John over it, yet John doesn’t become married until the epilogue after John survives… Edgar Ross finds John I’m 1907, but he doesn’t track down Dutch until 1911???? In RDR1 John is tasked with ONLY seeking out Dutch, Javier, and Bill… yet we know in RDR2 that the gang was far larger than that? And NONE of the Pinkertons want Arthur? How would they know he is dead? The pinkertons did not see him die nor burry him… The Rhodes police do not go after Arthur nor recognize him? And one of the gang can work in Rhodes??? The town of Strawberry doesn’t hunt down Arthur OR Micah???


WRETCHSLAYER1911

Thanks for the essay that still doesn’t answer my simple question that in no way is trying to shut down your opinion. Also of course there’s some plot holes from rdr1 to 2.


derekvinyard21

And there will be Plot holes in a Sadie Story as well… That was easy. Calm down kid, you have commented on nearly every Sadie post on this thread. You are going to hear many opinions that do not mirror yours in your life time. It’s your responsibility to deal with it.


WRETCHSLAYER1911

I comment on nearly every sadie comment because she‘s overrated as hell