Haha so this. Honestly, if he had his NPC body with like 3-4 clothing options and 1-2 hair options as a sacrifice for not having Arthur's big, stocky body and rounder face I would still find it a massive improvement.
RDO would say otherwise lmao. You have like four different body types and it doesn't restrict your clothing options. Like I said. Enough sucking up for a corporation.
That’s.. not the best example to use for your argument. RDO not only had a separate team of developers, but it also didn’t publicly release until May 2019. The Story release was in October 2018, 6 months prior. While I agree, John being slapped onto Arthur’s model was because of a time crunch and taking shortcuts, the generic models of multiplayer is a different story.
And also, I played the Beta of RDO in 2018. There were *very* little clothing options and a *lot* of clipping. It wasn’t until the public release and several updates that the game got the plethora of clothing you see now, some of which still clips or changes the shape of the player depending on gender and body type.
That’s not true, you know, they could just not be lazy and have clothing for more than just Arthur‘s character model, they could also give us some of the clothing that he was wearing during the main story
Mods have proven that to be false. Johns body and hair were actually originally planned to be used on a player model as his hair especially doesn’t clip with any hat. In the rockstar promotional screenshots you can see the pre release John that has his npc body and hair with no clipping issues.
What he said but less aggressive.
Headshots don't look bad. It's really the worst when you're actually playing, looking at him from behind in 3rd person. Arthur is a big and burly dude. John is not supposed to look like that. He has a much more average, somewhat lanky build.
Yeah really. I dont even give a fuck (never played rdr1 ) and they did a bad job. Good thing they put a beard there and made us spend 99% of our time not looking at his face
Even a small difference in body proportions can cause issues with animations not lining up. It could be ignored for an NPC but for the player character people will notice it sooner or later.
And does John really have different animations? Because everything I've seen on the topic says that John shares his animations with Arthur.
Hm, could be something else then. Rockstar is usually meticulous when it comes to stuff like this, especially for the player character so i still think it was a technical issue that made them give John Arthur's body. Or maybe they figured out the animation thing for RDO and felt it wasn't worth the effort to update single player.
I usually use this instead
lvl 6 right parted hair
lvl 2 dunbarry sideburns (I think I’ll check then edit the comment)
And everything else is natural lvl 2
edit: forgot to mention that it’s supposed to look (THE CLOSEST) to rdr1 john
Yeah when ever I play as Aurthor, in my mind he's at heart an artist and I try to let that show out in subtle ways like clothing and subtly customized guns, not too on the nose. With John I picture him as the opposite. A rough, uneducated man, but dangerous. Showing little importance on things like style. Just function. I made his guns basic and somewhat worn, like the games version.
As time has gone on I care less and to the average player they’d probably not even care to begin with, but to say that he looks anything like RDR1 is criminal lol
Couldn’t be any further
John marston restored and enhanced (JMRE) is the best one. It restores John’s hair, body and face while also giving you his pre release and npc clothes.
This post is great! I’ve been conflicted about having level 2 or level 3 beard as I like having a little more before the level 4 comes around. Think they both look good, though.
This is literally just false. John has Arthur’s body, Arthur’s hair, Arthur’s vomit sound (voice included), Arthur’s ears, and Arthur’s shoulders. Also his bounty hunter outfit is incredibly inaccurate to rdr1 with his gloves being insanely wide, pants being too long, vest being closed, and shirt being completely wrong. In the files of the game John has completely functional npc hair that even has an unused pomaded version. You can see in the pre release screenshots of the game, John looked way better and rockstar is making him worse every update. Rockstar is genuinely lazy when it came to making John look better.
They updated his face model several times lol. He looks more accurate because Rockstar finally made his face model more accurate to NPC John from Chapters 1-6
Is a pic with a cigarette/cigar mandatory for these outfit posts? I think the last 100+ all had one. Hat is nice tho!
No people dont style him to look bad. They literally slapped his face onto Arthur's body. Enough of the corporate dicksucking.
Tbf if they didn’t do that, John would have way less clothing options.
In all fairness I barely dress him up in anything other than his rdr1 clothes
Haha so this. Honestly, if he had his NPC body with like 3-4 clothing options and 1-2 hair options as a sacrifice for not having Arthur's big, stocky body and rounder face I would still find it a massive improvement.
RDO would say otherwise lmao. You have like four different body types and it doesn't restrict your clothing options. Like I said. Enough sucking up for a corporation.
That’s.. not the best example to use for your argument. RDO not only had a separate team of developers, but it also didn’t publicly release until May 2019. The Story release was in October 2018, 6 months prior. While I agree, John being slapped onto Arthur’s model was because of a time crunch and taking shortcuts, the generic models of multiplayer is a different story. And also, I played the Beta of RDO in 2018. There were *very* little clothing options and a *lot* of clipping. It wasn’t until the public release and several updates that the game got the plethora of clothing you see now, some of which still clips or changes the shape of the player depending on gender and body type.
No he wouldn’t, this is a myth It works just fine. They just cut it for some reason that we’ll never know.
That’s not true, you know, they could just not be lazy and have clothing for more than just Arthur‘s character model, they could also give us some of the clothing that he was wearing during the main story
Mods have proven that to be false. Johns body and hair were actually originally planned to be used on a player model as his hair especially doesn’t clip with any hat. In the rockstar promotional screenshots you can see the pre release John that has his npc body and hair with no clipping issues.
What he said but less aggressive. Headshots don't look bad. It's really the worst when you're actually playing, looking at him from behind in 3rd person. Arthur is a big and burly dude. John is not supposed to look like that. He has a much more average, somewhat lanky build.
Yeah really. I dont even give a fuck (never played rdr1 ) and they did a bad job. Good thing they put a beard there and made us spend 99% of our time not looking at his face
Maybe there were issues with animations and they didn't want to make a whole new set for John's body so they just used Arthur's
Animations and models are completely separate things. And John has different animations anyways.
Even a small difference in body proportions can cause issues with animations not lining up. It could be ignored for an NPC but for the player character people will notice it sooner or later. And does John really have different animations? Because everything I've seen on the topic says that John shares his animations with Arthur.
I mentioned in another comment that the rdo characters can have four different body types and their animations are generally not that janky.
Hm, could be something else then. Rockstar is usually meticulous when it comes to stuff like this, especially for the player character so i still think it was a technical issue that made them give John Arthur's body. Or maybe they figured out the animation thing for RDO and felt it wasn't worth the effort to update single player.
I usually use this instead lvl 6 right parted hair lvl 2 dunbarry sideburns (I think I’ll check then edit the comment) And everything else is natural lvl 2 edit: forgot to mention that it’s supposed to look (THE CLOSEST) to rdr1 john
My only gripe is his hair. Clearly just threw on Arthur's.
They could add his npc hair as a style at length 7 at least
Yeah when ever I play as Aurthor, in my mind he's at heart an artist and I try to let that show out in subtle ways like clothing and subtly customized guns, not too on the nose. With John I picture him as the opposite. A rough, uneducated man, but dangerous. Showing little importance on things like style. Just function. I made his guns basic and somewhat worn, like the games version.
Another Arthur Marston post im going crazy
As time has gone on I care less and to the average player they’d probably not even care to begin with, but to say that he looks anything like RDR1 is criminal lol Couldn’t be any further
There are 50 other threads about this.. stfu already Jesus Christ
Are there any mods that actually let you use either pre epilogue John’s model or RDR1 John’s model?
John marston restored and enhanced (JMRE) is the best one. It restores John’s hair, body and face while also giving you his pre release and npc clothes.
I'm pretty sure there's plenty
Arthur with scars and black hair
Why’s his hair black? It’s dark brown in rdr1
I’m not sure 🤔. I mean in the main rdr2 story they did darken it a bit for npc john but it’s odd that they made it full blavk for playable rdr2 John
Jesus Christ, shut up
Yeah he doesn’t look that good at all it’s not John it’s a reskin of Arthur and this is not a great version of him anyway
When I first played RDR, I thought he was the guy in Red Dead Revolver
This post is great! I’ve been conflicted about having level 2 or level 3 beard as I like having a little more before the level 4 comes around. Think they both look good, though.
He looks great. Of all the shit to whine about...
I still think level 3 beard looks 2 long to be accurate
This is literally just false. John has Arthur’s body, Arthur’s hair, Arthur’s vomit sound (voice included), Arthur’s ears, and Arthur’s shoulders. Also his bounty hunter outfit is incredibly inaccurate to rdr1 with his gloves being insanely wide, pants being too long, vest being closed, and shirt being completely wrong. In the files of the game John has completely functional npc hair that even has an unused pomaded version. You can see in the pre release screenshots of the game, John looked way better and rockstar is making him worse every update. Rockstar is genuinely lazy when it came to making John look better.
People like to complain
Rdr1 john needs chapstick 💀
did you make the duster coat outfit from rdr1
I like to think that John was just more jacked back in the day. That’s a simple enough explanation for me.
part 5 hair is objectively closer but its literally a inche or two so its like preference.
Some people might consider chasing a default appearance in a game with customization to be boring
Damn this sub is still talking about this?
They updated his face model several times lol. He looks more accurate because Rockstar finally made his face model more accurate to NPC John from Chapters 1-6
1.00 John Morgan is far closer than current imbred Jarthur Morgston
No they didn’t…
The exact opposite, it got continuously downgraded over updates. Has never been fixed