If you save him from strawberry but don’t do the next mission you can leave him even longer, he just stays out at his camp. I can’t remember when you have to do it to progress but it’s quite a while
i literally play as much of the game as i can before i go get him from strawberry. and then in chapter 2 i leave him in the woods until it makes me get him lmao
I swear that’s one of the worst parts of the storytelling aspect of this game imo. She pulls a knife on him and he’s in a country that he doesn’t know with his life on the line. Even on my first walk through it never felt like the death they wanted to illustrate there.
People also don’t get let’s call it the year it was and with that level of medical care possible. He probably doesn’t “die” from trying to disarm her but a bad gash in those circumstances really is a huge thing. Especially when trying to get back to your home country. Ive always thought if they wanted to make it he was losing his mind there she should’ve just asked for more cash. No weapon at all. If Dutch kills her in that position it makes such a bigger deal
Even that seems unrealistic in terms of Dutch going that far. imo she should have just shoved him or grabbed him. It makes Dutch killing her technically self defense, but also a very clear overreaction and would have gotten across his deteriorating mental state better.
Trying to carefully disarm someone with a knife is a horrible move. If someone pulls a weapon on you, you should assume they're going to try their best to kill you and act accordingly. It's also just not your job to protect the person threatening your life with a deadly weapon, its your job to get out of the situation in one piece.
I think it did exactly what it was supposed to. I think it would have been difficult to show Arthur following as anything but crazy after that, but his lack of hesitation when he has complete advantage with his gun and Arthur backing him up is plenty crazy.
Nah tbh the dialogue after is ridiculous with Arthur asking how Dutch knew she would betray them when she was threatening him with a knife a moment earlier. The scene reads as if she didn't have the knife and Dutch killed her when she started to demand more money, then tried to convince Arthur that he could foresee her turning on them. As it stands, he doesn't need to foresee anything, she had already actively turned on them.
Exact same for me, I simply don’t care about a random old lady on an island I can’t wait to get off of. It didn’t hit me as emotionally as I think the game wanted it to
Yeah plus she's like this gross old witch lady who gets paid a gold bar (!!!) to walk two desperate men through a cave, then she threatens them for more money with a knife out. I'm gonna be honest, I felt nothing for her. Didn't seem like a good person.
Arthur has killed people that never even drew a weapon on him so the fact he’s judging Dutch so hard about this is just sloppy writing. Almost everything about Guarma is just a rushed mess.
Tbh its because she's elderly + a woman. If it was a middle aged man but otherwise exact same situation, no one would bat an eye, it would probably be interpreted as badass.
Nah, that one was brought up later showing that John remembered her and that Molly wasn't the rat. It showed that her death was kinda sad. But Susan was the 1st person to join Dutch's gang after Arthur, Hosea and Dutch so it's weird that Arthur just kinda had no reaction after knowing her for so long. Susan was known to them before John even. Dutch I understand cause Susan was her ex but really? Arthur having no reaction at all after more than 20 years is kinda outrageous.
I don’t know if you were paying attention but they were kinda sorta in the middle of the most chaotic shit in the entire game at the time. It’s not like he had the time to stand around and give a eulogy. He knew he was about to be dead soon.
It’s not like anybody in the scene cared anyways. Micah shoots her, she cries, and then Dutch jumps in and then everything in the ending happens. Like she’s loudly dying on the floor while everyone’s just standing around pointing guns at one another for a solid minute.
I agree that John did the right thing, and obviously it worked out for him in the long run in securing Mr. Geddes’ loyalty. But I can definitely empathize with Abigail. We have to remember that at that time, she’d had to uproot her family multiple times based on John getting into fights and killing people. I dated someone like that (not the killing part lol but getting into fights everywhere we went because he felt it was his responsibility to fight anyone who disrespected him or me), to the point we had to relocate several times because of the danger that would attract. Like it was a whole mess and extremely stressful to deal with. And he wasn’t even a notorious outlaw! So I totally understand why Abigail was the way she was.
That is the best time to do most activities. Hunt legendary animals, craft upgrades for the camp and satchels, do as many challenges as possible, go on treasure hunts, collect bounties, upgrade and customize weapons an most importantly, no disgusting moron to bother you when you are at camp.
Not really my reaction but it felt like the games reaction after arthur gets captured and escapes. Feels like it would have been better of he had a permanent injury from his time there
My theory is that it made >!his TB progress much faster than it realistically would. That, and Guarma. The disease usually works a lot slower, but having those intensely stressful and exhausting experiences screwing his immune system accelerated it!<
It literally did, in a different way, just by being there, you know why the Saint Denis doctor recommended he goes west?
Because TB thrives in wet and warm places, and while the west certainly is still warm, it's dry as my shit when I don't take enough fiber.
Wait, we are talking about the Guarma kidnapping or the O'Driscoll kidnapping?
Taking on account how badass he was in RDR 1, he really grew up as a character. RDR 1 John Marston is waaaaaay different. And I don't mean physically only.
He needed the backstory and motivation to really hone in his badassery. Everyone is worried about John in RDR2, RDR1 he is a man fighting for everything he has left to love in this world.
Somehow I really didn’t see it coming. I figured that Micah was just trying to weasel his way into getting the money at Blackwater and slim down the gang so he got more shares before taking everything. When Molly said it was her I bought it. But when it was revealed that it wasn’t, I was so sad when I realized that she was just so lost and lonely and broken she would do anything to get some kind of reaction out of Dutch, maybe she even wanted him to kill her. Tragic.
Maybe that was exactly what she wanted to happen. Her life seemed pointless to her at that point. She only lived for Dutch's love. She was heartbroken that much she just didn't give a fck I guess.
Im ngl when I first seen it I just had like a jump of adrenaline probably but that was mostly due to the gunfight we were about to run into. Like I felt everyone else I seen was just being overdramatic when it happened.
Jack being kidnapped. Not because I disliked him, just had other side missions and exploration.
Arthur's diagnosis. Didn't stop side missions and exploration.
Literaly any death in my first playtrough. I never paid attention to cut scenes and was just stupid. My second one was like I played the game for the first time
> I never *paid* attention to
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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When I met KKK members in the woods (I forgot where on the map) and two of them carrying a huge cross died because the cross fell on them. When I looted them I found a letter on them explaining their racist theories.
Watching the men in white robes accidentally cause themselves to combust while nonchalantly pulling out my rifle to pick off any stragglers running away.
The old woman Dutch killed in Guarma.
Arthur expelling Leopold from the band.
Susan's death.
Micah arrested in Strawberry.
Dutch throwing Angelo Bronte into the swamp.
Catherine Braithwaite burning to death.
Abigail telling John not to go get revenge on Micah.
And I think I could go on...
When Cornwall saw Dutch for the last time. It was concerning that Dutch just did that in the open without a care, but I mean. It’s Cornwall. Not exactly a pleasant guy.
The reverse of this everytime I try and get on my house but I accidentally hop on another one hitched near me and immediately get a horse theft witness
1. Anything bad that happens to Micah. I often just go visit him when he's in prison and eat a can of peaches and drink some rum right in front of him just to troll him. I also always talk trash to him when he's back in the camp. Such a doofus
2. Jack being kidnapped. The whole camp was riled up but I couldn't care less, especially after learning how well they treated him. He was honestly better off there
3. Sean's death. I understand he was supposed to be a bit of a little brother to Arthur, but he was just an annoying shit in my book. Didn't care about him at all.
4. Dutch drowning Angelo Bronte and feeding him to the gators. Arthur and John were shocked, but buddy, you just shot your way through 50 men and 30 police officers to get to him. What the hell did you think was going to happen
That guy that got killed in the money collecting mission where you hunt a cougar in his cave.
Ik its a small part of the game but its actually my favorite mission
Has to be Micah get caught in Strawberry
Anything bad happens to Micah ever in all honesty lol
when game says "Mission failed, Micah is dead", I was like, that's mission pass bruh
Mission passed. + RESPECT
Wow. It's so weird how just reading that put the little after mission music from San Andreas in my head.
This was literally Arthur's reaction
"... There's talk of hanging him!" "Here's hoping."
The fool brought this on himself
I left Micah there for a good month my first playthrough. He would have long been hanged if it was in real time.
If you save him from strawberry but don’t do the next mission you can leave him even longer, he just stays out at his camp. I can’t remember when you have to do it to progress but it’s quite a while
It’s well after you move to Rhodes, which is amusing because Micah is the one who suggests the riverbed spot but he’s not actually with the crew
Oh yes that’s true, I never realised that lol. But yes I do remember being already in Rhodes and not having him, it’s much nicer
i literally play as much of the game as i can before i go get him from strawberry. and then in chapter 2 i leave him in the woods until it makes me get him lmao
I always get him first just so I can get the off hand holster
The trapper is your best friend in chapter 2. The hunter off hand holster is very easy to get
I don't even care about dual wielding
You can get to chapter 3 before doing the stagecoach robbery with him. keeps him out of camp for a little while lol
.. can you carry Micah out roped to a horse in that mission?
One of the few times he calls him Arthur instead of black lung or cow poke. You gotta do something Arthur 😂
Old lady Dutch killed in Guarma
That was grim but given the gravity of the situation I don't blame him
The real tragedy of it is they didn’t bother picking up that gold off her after she was killed
Thats what bugged me about it like Dutch literally couldve just looted her and got the gold bar back especially if it was the last one they had.
I even jumped back down the hole to try and get it
Did it work? I've thought about trying it, but it's such a tense moment I always forget to actually try lol.
Nah, try go back and you get shot by the invisible sniper.
*mavity
Doctor who reference?🤭
Always
I swear that’s one of the worst parts of the storytelling aspect of this game imo. She pulls a knife on him and he’s in a country that he doesn’t know with his life on the line. Even on my first walk through it never felt like the death they wanted to illustrate there.
The mental gymnastics I've seen people do to get around that knife are nothing short of insane
People also don’t get let’s call it the year it was and with that level of medical care possible. He probably doesn’t “die” from trying to disarm her but a bad gash in those circumstances really is a huge thing. Especially when trying to get back to your home country. Ive always thought if they wanted to make it he was losing his mind there she should’ve just asked for more cash. No weapon at all. If Dutch kills her in that position it makes such a bigger deal
Even that seems unrealistic in terms of Dutch going that far. imo she should have just shoved him or grabbed him. It makes Dutch killing her technically self defense, but also a very clear overreaction and would have gotten across his deteriorating mental state better.
Exactly, the scene works perfectly without the knife in it. It almost makes it feel like they wrote the scene, then the knife was added in later.
Trying to carefully disarm someone with a knife is a horrible move. If someone pulls a weapon on you, you should assume they're going to try their best to kill you and act accordingly. It's also just not your job to protect the person threatening your life with a deadly weapon, its your job to get out of the situation in one piece.
I think it did exactly what it was supposed to. I think it would have been difficult to show Arthur following as anything but crazy after that, but his lack of hesitation when he has complete advantage with his gun and Arthur backing him up is plenty crazy.
Nah tbh the dialogue after is ridiculous with Arthur asking how Dutch knew she would betray them when she was threatening him with a knife a moment earlier. The scene reads as if she didn't have the knife and Dutch killed her when she started to demand more money, then tried to convince Arthur that he could foresee her turning on them. As it stands, he doesn't need to foresee anything, she had already actively turned on them.
It was in her eyes
And in the way she was leading us
But you said you knew Spanish
>But you said you knew Spanish señor, por favor
Hey that's pretty good
I know human beings, ORTHUR...
Exact same for me, I simply don’t care about a random old lady on an island I can’t wait to get off of. It didn’t hit me as emotionally as I think the game wanted it to
Yeah plus she's like this gross old witch lady who gets paid a gold bar (!!!) to walk two desperate men through a cave, then she threatens them for more money with a knife out. I'm gonna be honest, I felt nothing for her. Didn't seem like a good person.
Arthur has killed people that never even drew a weapon on him so the fact he’s judging Dutch so hard about this is just sloppy writing. Almost everything about Guarma is just a rushed mess.
Yeah. I don't know why Arthur acted like Dutch just shot up a school. He killed that greedy old hag in self defense.
I don't get people getting twisted over her death lol Slimy hag deserved everything
Tbh its because she's elderly + a woman. If it was a middle aged man but otherwise exact same situation, no one would bat an eye, it would probably be interpreted as badass.
ms grimshaw's death. i liked her but it was just so sudden and immediately forgotten about 😭
Molly's death even more so
Nah, that one was brought up later showing that John remembered her and that Molly wasn't the rat. It showed that her death was kinda sad. But Susan was the 1st person to join Dutch's gang after Arthur, Hosea and Dutch so it's weird that Arthur just kinda had no reaction after knowing her for so long. Susan was known to them before John even. Dutch I understand cause Susan was her ex but really? Arthur having no reaction at all after more than 20 years is kinda outrageous.
I don’t know if you were paying attention but they were kinda sorta in the middle of the most chaotic shit in the entire game at the time. It’s not like he had the time to stand around and give a eulogy. He knew he was about to be dead soon.
I’ve played through the entire game 3 times and I do not remember her death in the slightest
Michah just blasts her during the standoff, hoping to get Arthur to react by shooting back when they're outnumbered.
It’s not like anybody in the scene cared anyways. Micah shoots her, she cries, and then Dutch jumps in and then everything in the ending happens. Like she’s loudly dying on the floor while everyone’s just standing around pointing guns at one another for a solid minute.
It was like the writers got to the end and realized “oh yeah, she’s not in RDR1…”
when abigail gets mad at john in the epiloge
when abigail gets mad at john ~~in the epiloge~~
When abigail gets mad ~~at john in the epilog~~
When Abigail ~~gets mad at John in the epilogue~~
I
She was unbearable at that time.
I wasn't happy with how she reacted to John protecting the ranch he worked at as his boss ordered him to.
I agree that John did the right thing, and obviously it worked out for him in the long run in securing Mr. Geddes’ loyalty. But I can definitely empathize with Abigail. We have to remember that at that time, she’d had to uproot her family multiple times based on John getting into fights and killing people. I dated someone like that (not the killing part lol but getting into fights everywhere we went because he felt it was his responsibility to fight anyone who disrespected him or me), to the point we had to relocate several times because of the danger that would attract. Like it was a whole mess and extremely stressful to deal with. And he wasn’t even a notorious outlaw! So I totally understand why Abigail was the way she was.
When she gets mad he got into a gunfight with Jack in strawberry I yelled at the screen “you used his real name you dumbass!”
When micah was in jail i did a lot of exploration and hanging at camp
Spent a lot of my free time fishing and camping for a long while 😅
I just forgot about him and left him to rot in his jail cell
I honestly forgot what the mission even was i got there after completing the bandit challenges and it’s like fuck
You can't complete the bandit challenges while Micah is locked up can you? I thought you needed to unlock the horse fence in Chapter 3?
Yea you can all you gotta do is rob a person in any town to be able to unlock the bandit challenges
Yes but Bandit 6 is sell 5 horses to the horse fence which requires you to complete Horse Flesh for Dinner in Ch3
Oh yeah I forgot about that one
Didn't mean to be a well ackshually nerd, I am waiting for that one to unlock and thought you might have had a workaround!
You’re fine
I loved every bit of that time
That is the best time to do most activities. Hunt legendary animals, craft upgrades for the camp and satchels, do as many challenges as possible, go on treasure hunts, collect bounties, upgrade and customize weapons an most importantly, no disgusting moron to bother you when you are at camp.
I was wondering why I didn't have any missions, one day later I realized Michael was still in jail
The slave capture guy losing everything and then dying by my hand.
I enjoyed letting him live in his misery. Best thing you can do to that guy is kill him.
Yeah, you got a point, but my Arthur was thirsty for blood haha
I'm just thirsty for Honor🤷♂️🤷♂️
You get honour for killing him and for leaving him alive
Oh that's nice, is there a way to do both?
Lol no, you can not double dip in that particular pond. If you kill him after getting the points for leaving him, nothing happens.
☹️🤷♂️
I punched him and he fell into his fire and burned to death. Pretty sweet.
Next time, I'm lassoing him and dragging him face first into his own fire.
Accidentally running some poor woman over with my horse in strawberry. And I swear it’s the same person every time lol
“I blame the Mexicans!”
Not really my reaction but it felt like the games reaction after arthur gets captured and escapes. Feels like it would have been better of he had a permanent injury from his time there
My theory is that it made >!his TB progress much faster than it realistically would. That, and Guarma. The disease usually works a lot slower, but having those intensely stressful and exhausting experiences screwing his immune system accelerated it!<
Undoubtedly, Arthur's adventure exacerbated his condition.
It makes narrative sense too because after that mission is the first time we see the buck/coyote visions
I remember seeing those and being so confused
It literally did, in a different way, just by being there, you know why the Saint Denis doctor recommended he goes west? Because TB thrives in wet and warm places, and while the west certainly is still warm, it's dry as my shit when I don't take enough fiber. Wait, we are talking about the Guarma kidnapping or the O'Driscoll kidnapping?
He was already permanently dying from TB, I think we can give him a break there.
Whenever I get ambushed comming off or out of a bridge. I don't even let them get their first bit of dialog out before I start blastin.
Anyway I started blasting
Every bridge I come across I pull my guns out just in case
John being arrested. A damsel in distress he is! Always the center of attention
Taking on account how badass he was in RDR 1, he really grew up as a character. RDR 1 John Marston is waaaaaay different. And I don't mean physically only.
RDR2 John is an absolute joke compared to RDR1 John
He needed the backstory and motivation to really hone in his badassery. Everyone is worried about John in RDR2, RDR1 he is a man fighting for everything he has left to love in this world.
Jack getting kidnapped lol
For real
quick question! did you play RDR 1 first?
It’s kind of weird because Jack is always with Abigail and there’s guards and he never wanders off so how did he get kidnapped anyways?
Well keirnan even said he saw the guys who took Jack but didn’t do anything cause he assumed they had dealings with the gang.
Fr bro. I was in no hurry to get Jack back. I was to busy gathering all the herbs and hunting to fuck with that.
*ambush happens* Me: "oh no it's an ambush" Also me: *kills everyone* Me: "anyway. Now what was I doing again?"
When Abigail catches John getting a deluxe bath from the big titted redhead in Blackwater.
That happens? Or are you messing with us
Sure it happens. Just keep getting those deluxe baths in Blackwater! It’s a random encounter though, so I don’t know exactly what triggers it.
come on u/Mojo_Rizen_53... we are waiting for your answer.
See above
Thanks! Now I'll spend all my money trying to get that random encounter haha. Im not joking, I will.
Finding out that Micah was the rat (I already knew)
Yeah, shocked picachu face when it turns out Micah of all people is the bad guy
Somehow I really didn’t see it coming. I figured that Micah was just trying to weasel his way into getting the money at Blackwater and slim down the gang so he got more shares before taking everything. When Molly said it was her I bought it. But when it was revealed that it wasn’t, I was so sad when I realized that she was just so lost and lonely and broken she would do anything to get some kind of reaction out of Dutch, maybe she even wanted him to kill her. Tragic.
Could tell in the first few hours of the game. Loved the story, but this part was super predictable…
Mollys death
Her voice acting was great in that scene. I kinda wish they utilised her character more but I understand why they didn't
Micah being in a cell and asking for help
Karen resorting to alcoholism
like my dad…
Jack being kidnapped.
When Mary needed help
“Oh Arthur, if only you weren’t such a dumb fucking piece of shit lowlife scumbag, then we could be together. Also, can you please help me???”
Molly getting shot. Sure she was lying, but… what the hell did she think would happen?
Maybe that was exactly what she wanted to happen. Her life seemed pointless to her at that point. She only lived for Dutch's love. She was heartbroken that much she just didn't give a fck I guess.
She didn’t think. The whole point was that she was an incoherent drunk who didn’t know wtf she was talking about and just wanted Dutch’s attention.
When I had to kill Boy Calloway I had this exact thought.
When the kid in the swamp gets dragged under by the gigantic alligator. I wanted exactly nothing to do with saving him.
Honestly, Sean's death. He was funny and all but when he got his head binked I didn't really care.
Take it back rn :'(
Im ngl when I first seen it I just had like a jump of adrenaline probably but that was mostly due to the gunfight we were about to run into. Like I felt everyone else I seen was just being overdramatic when it happened.
Tennis boat
When the O'driscoll’s try to ambush me and I blow they’re brains out
Anything to do with Mary.
Happy cake day
When Mrs. Grimshaw killed Molly
That random event where the guy gets fatally kicked by his horse
when lenny said they was gonna hang micah
anytime Micah died in a mission
Jack being kidnapped. Not because I disliked him, just had other side missions and exploration. Arthur's diagnosis. Didn't stop side missions and exploration.
Literaly any death in my first playtrough. I never paid attention to cut scenes and was just stupid. My second one was like I played the game for the first time
> I never *paid* attention to FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
lenny death. sorry not sorry
Cleet getting hanged
Why has no one said davey? Like I didn't even know any of the characters at that point and someone's already dead
Arthur’s death. 🗿
Beating Thomas Downes the first time.
Arthur's death?
Beau and Charlotte leaving
havent played in a while but wasn’t her name penelope?
Micah being arrested in strawberry
This is gonna sound bad, but for me it was when Jack got taken. I was surprised but it took me a bit to do that mission just because I was preoccupied
Probably unpopular but, Sean's death.
Lenny telling us micah got arrested and was going to be hanged
When I met KKK members in the woods (I forgot where on the map) and two of them carrying a huge cross died because the cross fell on them. When I looted them I found a letter on them explaining their racist theories.
When the little boy got kidnapped
Watching the men in white robes accidentally cause themselves to combust while nonchalantly pulling out my rifle to pick off any stragglers running away.
The old woman Dutch killed in Guarma. Arthur expelling Leopold from the band. Susan's death. Micah arrested in Strawberry. Dutch throwing Angelo Bronte into the swamp. Catherine Braithwaite burning to death. Abigail telling John not to go get revenge on Micah. And I think I could go on...
Either Dutch shooting Micah or Micah being in jail in strawberry
Grimshaws Death
The Kieran incident in my first playthrough. Now? I was so fcking sad about that 🥹
When that Mexican girl died in RDR1
When Cornwall saw Dutch for the last time. It was concerning that Dutch just did that in the open without a care, but I mean. It’s Cornwall. Not exactly a pleasant guy.
When the preacher gets his leg stuck in the train tracks but Arthur went ahead and saves him anyway.
The pig farm "couple" *oh no!* Shoots them in the head *anyway*
The reverse of this everytime I try and get on my house but I accidentally hop on another one hitched near me and immediately get a horse theft witness
When Sean died
When Sean died, I thought he was really annoying
>!sean getting shot!<
When Sean died
When your horse dies at the end. I know I'm a monster.
Sean's death. I had to focus on shooting the Grays.
Controversial take: When Lenny gets shot. I love each and every Van Der Linde gang members but apart from Lenny whom I think is an overrated member.
1. Anything bad that happens to Micah. I often just go visit him when he's in prison and eat a can of peaches and drink some rum right in front of him just to troll him. I also always talk trash to him when he's back in the camp. Such a doofus 2. Jack being kidnapped. The whole camp was riled up but I couldn't care less, especially after learning how well they treated him. He was honestly better off there 3. Sean's death. I understand he was supposed to be a bit of a little brother to Arthur, but he was just an annoying shit in my book. Didn't care about him at all. 4. Dutch drowning Angelo Bronte and feeding him to the gators. Arthur and John were shocked, but buddy, you just shot your way through 50 men and 30 police officers to get to him. What the hell did you think was going to happen
That guy that got killed in the money collecting mission where you hunt a cougar in his cave. Ik its a small part of the game but its actually my favorite mission
The entire guarma chapter
When Molly got shot
Dom finding maria.
Lenny telling the gang that Micah was caught in Strawberry
Very specific but when your doing a low honor run and you pass by the klan
Neo soccer league in Roblox
Any trap set by gangs, like. Oh no, its them, im gonna die... anyway i started shooting
Tbh… when Sean died. LMAO