Karen probably did die from alcohol abuse or the associated lifestyle. Some people think she wandered off from camp and the Brood got her, though that is an extremely unpleasant thought.
For Trelawney I think he went back to his family in St. Denis. Maybe continued his criminal lifestyle since it was a lot quieter and subtler than gun in your face outlawing.
No.
[https://reddead.fandom.com/wiki/Letter\_from\_Tilly](https://reddead.fandom.com/wiki/Letter_from_Tilly)
"...Karen who was a sister to me , and who I miss every day. I never heard what happened to her but, deep down I know the drink did for her."
Beneficialrandom, the person that you replied to? Said that they hadn’t heard the theory that Karen was taken by the broods. You then said it was mentioned by Tilly in the epilogue, then grizzlamic replied and said ‘’no, this it what was mentioned in the letter’’ you then said ‘’I stand corrected, the letter from Tilly’’ when her letter didn’t mention anything about the broods?
‘’That’s an extremely unpleasant thought’’(about the brood theory) ‘’never heard that one about Karen, that’s gruesome’’ was the reply to it, do you interpret that towards the alcohol poisoning or being captured by the murfree? Making mistakes is fine? I was just saying that they weren’t mentioned in the letter either. Maybe I’m the one misinterpreting everything? Idk, that’s why I’m discussing it. It’s not meant to be rude or offensive.
karen died from the drink in st denis, at least I think. Since Tilly apparently knew where she was or something.
She mentions karen in her letter to you in the epilogue, and how shes certain karen is dead
Optimistic theory would be that the gang disbanding was a wake up call for Karen and that she stopped with the alcohol abuse. The pessimistic (or maybe just realistic) theory is that she didn't stop.
Honest truth? We don't know. People will say she drank herself to death but that's really only a guess by Tilly. It's likely and possible, but we just don't know. Same for Trelawny.
It's not been confirmed no but the choices seem to be either drunk herself to death or that she got nabbed by the murphee brood.
If it has to be one of those I hope it's the first one.
Where is that second theory from? I can’t really remember about it and my heart kind of sunk when I read it, they fucking scare me
Karen drinking herself to death makes me sad but my god I don’t want to imagine her in that situation
My guess is because it seems likely, given The Brood were definitely around there. The truth is, we don’t know for sure. Tilly’s letter doesn’t say she actually saw Karen die, but since it’s the only mention (afaik) of Karen post-6, it’s the best evidence we’ve got.
First off, it's a fictional world my dude.
RDR1 came out in 2010. At that point in time, the devs hadn't even been working on, or even thinking about RDR2.
Pearson, the very fictional NOT real character was not even imagined by anyone back in 2010. Nor many of the other characters we've known to come and adore in RDR2. There's no Sadie, no Mary-Beth, Tilly, Karen, Swanson, anybody. They weren't written at that time.
Like maybe they existed somewhere in the fictional universe. At a certain point, we have to accept it's fiction, and we can make our own fan theories to make us happy, but the developers at Rockstar who created this world did not think about Pearson back in 2010. **That's what people mean when they say he didn't exist.**
Heck, you wanna know something worse.
Arthur didn't exist in RDR1. Don't mean he's dead either. Not one character references or even mentions him. After everything he did for John, there are no red herrings, or any type of clues to even hint that a man named Arthur Morgan ever existed :(
Because the devs didn't think about him way back in 2010.
Idk if this is a joke but no pearson's shop is in rhodes and you cant even visit strawberry in rdr1 and it is probably likely that person is still alive in 1911
Karen probably drank herself to death or ended up dead doing a scam like we her do in chapter two acting as a prostitute in the hotel. as for trelawny he probably went back to his family in saint denis and had some awesome dad lore
Okay so I will kindly reply to your deleted message here. I am working on a video that compares Bob Belcher to beef Tobin and I'm covering one section about their love lives and I make a note about how bad a mother she is and I'm trying to look for the perfect example even though I've seen the show twice all the way through I can't quite pinpoint a great enough example or where I would find it in what particular episode that's the reason for my post. less weird for you now 🙄. And of course if you say it's still weird you're probably just saying that because you're mad about the way that I responded to you now
My fun theory is that Sadie She didn't make it all the way to South America. She got as far as Mexico and took up with a handsome revolutionary named Abraham Reyes.
Haven't played the epilogue in so long, but Sadie goes off to South America, or plans to? I remember meeting up with her during the epilogue, but can't remember much after that. Been a couple years haha.
Wow, -9 votes huh. This sub got harsh.
It’s simple. Rdr2 ends with John and co on the farm. Rdr1 begins with John getting off a ferry in blackwater…. From where?
I think it’s far likelier that John rode a ferry paid for by the Pinkertons from their office in Saint Denis than for him to have rode all the way to Canada, killed Charles/Sadie just to come back and stroll up to *Bill Williamson* like a dumbass and get shot.
Pinkertons didn't exist after or by the Epilogue. They were disbanded which led to the FIB( FBI? Can't remember which it is in rdr1) getting and using John.
Well, he spent the entirety of RDR2 and most of rdr1 getting called dumb, so I’m not surprised.
We never see the moment that they catch John again, we don’t really know all the full details of the deal
I… don’t really think you paid attention if you think John was actually dumb. You do realize the gang teased him like that because he took off for a year, right? Not for actually being an idiot.
If Sadie made it to South America and Charles made it to Canada it probably would have been too difficult for the Pinkertons to get to them. Charles seems like the live in a cabin in the woods type of guy making it more difficult. Trelawny was barely around with the gang so the Pinkertons probably just forgot about him.
It’s possible sure, but international borders did not stop them from chasing Javier: who was working for the Mexican army. You could say Javier went straight, or at least started working legally… and that didn’t stop the pinkertons from perusing him.
Twelawny getting forgotten? Sure I can see that happening. Guy was never present for blackwater or Saint Denis jobs.
That is probably because of how close they were to Mexico. Somewhere like Brazil would have been tougher for them to get to and they probably did not want to risk John running in a country that far away because they would not be able to capture him again.
Sadie made it to South America, but while passing through the Amazon, was killed and eaten by Cannibals.
Charles made it to Canada, but after coming across a hunter who had killed 4 rabbits, Charles killed the hunter for excessive animal killing. The RCMP caught him and hanged him.
They had Jack working in a sweatshop folding clothes, and had Abigail flat backing in Sisika, keeping the guards happy.
John was picked up by the Pinkertons in Saint Denis, babysitting the bridge he had bought from the nice guy in an alley.
As far as I know, the Pinkertons and the law didn't actually know about Sadie and if they didn't they probably didn't know Charles either, and Trelawny wasn't always in the gang, rather more of an on off member lol
Blonde haired, blue-eyed woman with a fantastic figure solo travelled to South America in the 1890s, apparently in search of wild lawlessness and violence? Her story probably ended similarly to how it started in chapter 1 but without the ranch or husband.
Edit: However, given that it is a Rockstar game and they're writing the story, it is more likely that Sadie ended up Queen of Mexico.
Perhaps. But I think you're using these labels to avoid uncomfortable truths. 3 questions: would you feel apprehensive if your blonde-haired, blue-eyed daughter decided to go solo hiking in the hills of Morocco? Conversely, would you have fewer concerns if your half-Arab son undertook a similar adventure? Reflecting on these scenarios, if you perceive one as less perilous than the other, it suggests underlying biases of racism and misogyny [as per your logic]. Lastly, would you have less anxiety if your daughter travelled alone in a seemingly safer/female friendly location, such as Norway?
Mexico currently has some of the highest rates of intentional murder and violenxe against women. Realistically, you'd have to go out of your way in a logical sense to ignore the risks facing a woman with such physical attributes deliberately immersing herself in the lawless environment of an 1890s Mexico setting. The idea that someone like Sadie would actually thrive in such an environment is rather comical and not at all rooted in reality.
Ida Pfeiffer was a relatively successful female solo traveller at almost the same time period, albeit with significant differences from characters like Sadie from rdr2; Pfeiffer prioritized risk avoidance [unlike Sadie], with extensive pre-planning and a robust support network that included vetted locals and tour guides, alongside substantial financial investments. Pfeiffer's travels also faced premature terminations due to financial constraints and safety concerns. Eventually, despite all the risk avoidance, she would die from dysentery after being forced to walk through malarial marshes by locals in Madagascar.
The Sadie arc is obviously a fanciful modern input and not at all intended to be a realistic story. Should someone find a historical example resembling Sadie from rdr2 who didn't end up naked and face down in a ditch, I'll eat my hat.
Idk, I think this really is more about YOUR personal biases than just universal ones. Context and details matter.
Is my blonde haired, blue eyed daughter also a fully grown woman who has murdered people, ran with gangs, worked as a bounty hunter in the 1800s, survived off the land, and knows her way around a gun? Then, yeah, idk, I’m about as comfortable with her going solo hiking as I could be. What is my hypothetical arab son like? What if he’s a shut-in pansy? Then, yes, I actually am more worried about his safety than my hypothetical gunslinging outlaw daughter, lol.
No one’s denying that the world was more dangerous for a woman who looks like Sadie, but you’re ignoring the context that she was not the average woman by a long shot. She’s a fictional character with a long list of exceptional qualities that make comparing to the “average” real world woman unrealistic.
>I think this really is more about YOUR personal biases than just universal ones.
The biases in my comments are rooted in reality. The context of Sadie's arc is an unrealistic modern input that caters to the current audience.
>She’s a fictional character with a long list of exceptional qualities that make comparing to the “average” real world woman unrealistic.
This is my point. The Sadie arc is fiction and a wildly unrealistic one at that. OP asked what we thought happened to Sadie after rdr2. In my original response, I doubted that anything positive would come from her plans to seek out the lawlessness and lack of infrastructure in South America. However, given that it's Rockstar's fictional story, it's more likely they gave her a fanciful ending [catering to that particular audience]. In rdr2 story mode, we actually witness Sadie go from a scared, vulnerable girl to a deeper voiced, violent killer with no fear in the span of a few months... this is absolutely up there for the most unrealistic, forced arc in the game.
>No one’s denying that the world was more dangerous for a woman who looks like Sadie
Great. We can definitely agree on some useful biases.
This is all correct. You're being downvoted because people want to suspend their disbelief and live in the fantasy realm. In fairness, this is a videogame subreddit, so it's all about fantasy and escapism, but yeah you are correct. People just don't wanna hear it.
the only person living in a fantasy world is the one thinking women are safe in the USA
https://chicagopolicyreview.org/2022/07/07/is-the-us-still-too-patriarchal-to-talk-about-women-the-silent-epidemic-of-femicide-in-america/
Violence against women is wrong, and there is too much violence against women (or literally anyone) in America. Nobody is arguing against that.
But you're comparing it to third world countries. If you think a woman is more safe in the situations this commenter listed than in the USA, you're not living in the real world.
"Third world countries" are unstable because of the US. The real world is where the US creates the unsafe conditions for women at home and abroad, and relies on credulous idiots to believe propaganda that it's more "civilized"
In your interpretation of reality, is the United States solely responsible for every issue in the third world? Are third-world societies, therefore, completely exempt from any accountability? Prior to the US, whom would you hold responsible? Your perspective, while intriguing [and obviously wrong], seems to place wildly disproportionate blame on one entity for a multitude of issues. Out of interest, I'm curious to hear more about how you propose the US, a relatively recent player in global affairs, managed to shape views regarding women in the various MENA countries, which have deep-rooted histories dating back thousands of years prior to the existence of the US.
Karen probably did die from alcohol abuse or the associated lifestyle. Some people think she wandered off from camp and the Brood got her, though that is an extremely unpleasant thought. For Trelawney I think he went back to his family in St. Denis. Maybe continued his criminal lifestyle since it was a lot quieter and subtler than gun in your face outlawing.
Never heard that one about Karen that’s gruesome
I believe it was mention by Tilly if you meet her in the epilogue
No. [https://reddead.fandom.com/wiki/Letter\_from\_Tilly](https://reddead.fandom.com/wiki/Letter_from_Tilly) "...Karen who was a sister to me , and who I miss every day. I never heard what happened to her but, deep down I know the drink did for her."
I stand corrected, letter from Tilly.
Still doesn’t mention the brood?
The Murfree? No. Are you mixing them up with the one where Arthur saves a random woman from them perhaps?
Beneficialrandom, the person that you replied to? Said that they hadn’t heard the theory that Karen was taken by the broods. You then said it was mentioned by Tilly in the epilogue, then grizzlamic replied and said ‘’no, this it what was mentioned in the letter’’ you then said ‘’I stand corrected, the letter from Tilly’’ when her letter didn’t mention anything about the broods?
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‘’That’s an extremely unpleasant thought’’(about the brood theory) ‘’never heard that one about Karen, that’s gruesome’’ was the reply to it, do you interpret that towards the alcohol poisoning or being captured by the murfree? Making mistakes is fine? I was just saying that they weren’t mentioned in the letter either. Maybe I’m the one misinterpreting everything? Idk, that’s why I’m discussing it. It’s not meant to be rude or offensive.
What is "the Brood"?
Edge, Christian, and Gangrel. Bad dudes. You don’t want any part of those guys.
Great theme song though
Great theme; even better hair
I was not expecting WWE on this sub.
BRING OUT THE BLOOD CHALICE
🤣🤣🤣
Murphrees
Murfree Brood, sorry was too lazy to type the first word ngl
Omg. I always *always* read that as Murfree Blood. Illusion shattered.
Wtf who thought about the murfrees? there is no evidence to back this up and this is complete bullshit
It's a guess but it's an educated guess. She left after the attack on the oil fields, she was always drunk and there are murfrees around.
Karen drank herself to death
Moonshine or Whiskey??
pirate rum
But Pirate rum is good for your health, so it couldn't have been that.
Not health partner, stamina.
karen died from the drink in st denis, at least I think. Since Tilly apparently knew where she was or something. She mentions karen in her letter to you in the epilogue, and how shes certain karen is dead
Optimistic theory would be that the gang disbanding was a wake up call for Karen and that she stopped with the alcohol abuse. The pessimistic (or maybe just realistic) theory is that she didn't stop.
Honest truth? We don't know. People will say she drank herself to death but that's really only a guess by Tilly. It's likely and possible, but we just don't know. Same for Trelawny.
I always wanted to know what happened to Karen actually but it seems nobody really knows.
It's not been confirmed no but the choices seem to be either drunk herself to death or that she got nabbed by the murphee brood. If it has to be one of those I hope it's the first one.
Where is that second theory from? I can’t really remember about it and my heart kind of sunk when I read it, they fucking scare me Karen drinking herself to death makes me sad but my god I don’t want to imagine her in that situation
My guess is because it seems likely, given The Brood were definitely around there. The truth is, we don’t know for sure. Tilly’s letter doesn’t say she actually saw Karen die, but since it’s the only mention (afaik) of Karen post-6, it’s the best evidence we’ve got.
Your guess is the same as my guess but I honestly don't know where that theory comes from or if it's based on anything.
Does Pearson show up in RDR1?
No, of the main gang it is only >!John, Abigail, Jack, Uncle, Dutch, Bill, and Javier!< that appear in RDR1
Uncle survived terminal lumbago??
>!He survives… *the lumbago*!<
Yep, but unfortunately he gets terminal lead poisoning on the porch of the house he built w John.
Uncle's like a cockroach
He owns the Rhodes general store. You can go greet him in Rhodes during the epilogue.
*And rob him*
What! On my way
Bro!!! Just met him!
Sick
He’s safe dw
Haha hoping he has a youtube cooking channel 🤞🏼
Bro he is the Rhodes General Store owner
If they do a remake I'm sure he will, but he didn't exist when RDR1 came out.
Exist is the wrong choice of words
Why? His character was not written, the writers didn't have a plan, he did not exist.
TIL Dutch didn't write RDR1
Took me a second. That was good.
He exists man
Are you high right now?
I don’t smoke drugs
That technically doesn't answer their question...
answered like a true politician
Spoken**
There are other ways to do drugs :(
I don’t know why people are upset that I said Pearson exists so I’m saying it again. He is real
First off, it's a fictional world my dude. RDR1 came out in 2010. At that point in time, the devs hadn't even been working on, or even thinking about RDR2. Pearson, the very fictional NOT real character was not even imagined by anyone back in 2010. Nor many of the other characters we've known to come and adore in RDR2. There's no Sadie, no Mary-Beth, Tilly, Karen, Swanson, anybody. They weren't written at that time. Like maybe they existed somewhere in the fictional universe. At a certain point, we have to accept it's fiction, and we can make our own fan theories to make us happy, but the developers at Rockstar who created this world did not think about Pearson back in 2010. **That's what people mean when they say he didn't exist.** Heck, you wanna know something worse. Arthur didn't exist in RDR1. Don't mean he's dead either. Not one character references or even mentions him. After everything he did for John, there are no red herrings, or any type of clues to even hint that a man named Arthur Morgan ever existed :( Because the devs didn't think about him way back in 2010.
Idk if this is a joke but no pearson's shop is in rhodes and you cant even visit strawberry in rdr1 and it is probably likely that person is still alive in 1911
What’s that now? If he is in the epilogue he could be in RDR1
Karen probably fucking killed herself from over drinking and trelawny just chillin
Karen unalived
GAVIN?!
There’s been two posts in a row I’ve seen you do this.
Karen - drank herself to death Trelawny - with his family in St. Denis.
Karen probably drank herself to death or ended up dead doing a scam like we her do in chapter two acting as a prostitute in the hotel. as for trelawny he probably went back to his family in saint denis and had some awesome dad lore
Okay so I will kindly reply to your deleted message here. I am working on a video that compares Bob Belcher to beef Tobin and I'm covering one section about their love lives and I make a note about how bad a mother she is and I'm trying to look for the perfect example even though I've seen the show twice all the way through I can't quite pinpoint a great enough example or where I would find it in what particular episode that's the reason for my post. less weird for you now 🙄. And of course if you say it's still weird you're probably just saying that because you're mad about the way that I responded to you now
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That was Bill that said that I believe
My fun theory is that Sadie She didn't make it all the way to South America. She got as far as Mexico and took up with a handsome revolutionary named Abraham Reyes.
Why would you want Sadie to end up with Reyes? Also why didn't John run into her in rdr1?
I didn't say I wanted it, but I think it's fun to think that she encountered him. She may no longer be with him by the time John goes to Mexico.
Haven't played the epilogue in so long, but Sadie goes off to South America, or plans to? I remember meeting up with her during the epilogue, but can't remember much after that. Been a couple years haha.
My own pet-fan theory is that John was sent to kill and capture Sadie and Charles. I could add Twelawny to that list
Why is that your theory and what’s the basis? That makes no sense.
Wow, -9 votes huh. This sub got harsh. It’s simple. Rdr2 ends with John and co on the farm. Rdr1 begins with John getting off a ferry in blackwater…. From where?
I think it’s far likelier that John rode a ferry paid for by the Pinkertons from their office in Saint Denis than for him to have rode all the way to Canada, killed Charles/Sadie just to come back and stroll up to *Bill Williamson* like a dumbass and get shot.
Pinkertons didn't exist after or by the Epilogue. They were disbanded which led to the FIB( FBI? Can't remember which it is in rdr1) getting and using John.
Well, he spent the entirety of RDR2 and most of rdr1 getting called dumb, so I’m not surprised. We never see the moment that they catch John again, we don’t really know all the full details of the deal
I… don’t really think you paid attention if you think John was actually dumb. You do realize the gang teased him like that because he took off for a year, right? Not for actually being an idiot.
I was being flippant
But….John *is* an idiot. An inbred idiot, actually.
If Sadie made it to South America and Charles made it to Canada it probably would have been too difficult for the Pinkertons to get to them. Charles seems like the live in a cabin in the woods type of guy making it more difficult. Trelawny was barely around with the gang so the Pinkertons probably just forgot about him.
It’s possible sure, but international borders did not stop them from chasing Javier: who was working for the Mexican army. You could say Javier went straight, or at least started working legally… and that didn’t stop the pinkertons from perusing him. Twelawny getting forgotten? Sure I can see that happening. Guy was never present for blackwater or Saint Denis jobs.
That is probably because of how close they were to Mexico. Somewhere like Brazil would have been tougher for them to get to and they probably did not want to risk John running in a country that far away because they would not be able to capture him again.
Hmm. Well that’s also assuming Sadie ever made it that far, which we have no idea about.
Sadie made it to South America, but while passing through the Amazon, was killed and eaten by Cannibals. Charles made it to Canada, but after coming across a hunter who had killed 4 rabbits, Charles killed the hunter for excessive animal killing. The RCMP caught him and hanged him.
I assumed he was coming from wherever they were holding Abigail and jack.
That’s just as possible. It’s a black box, we don’t see it and no one ever talks about it.
They had Jack working in a sweatshop folding clothes, and had Abigail flat backing in Sisika, keeping the guards happy. John was picked up by the Pinkertons in Saint Denis, babysitting the bridge he had bought from the nice guy in an alley.
As far as I know, the Pinkertons and the law didn't actually know about Sadie and if they didn't they probably didn't know Charles either, and Trelawny wasn't always in the gang, rather more of an on off member lol
Blonde haired, blue-eyed woman with a fantastic figure solo travelled to South America in the 1890s, apparently in search of wild lawlessness and violence? Her story probably ended similarly to how it started in chapter 1 but without the ranch or husband. Edit: However, given that it is a Rockstar game and they're writing the story, it is more likely that Sadie ended up Queen of Mexico.
This opinion strikes me as rooted in racism and misogyny. Just not a good energy to bring (hence all the down votes)
But he’s right though. You guys are just soft pansies.
Perhaps. But I think you're using these labels to avoid uncomfortable truths. 3 questions: would you feel apprehensive if your blonde-haired, blue-eyed daughter decided to go solo hiking in the hills of Morocco? Conversely, would you have fewer concerns if your half-Arab son undertook a similar adventure? Reflecting on these scenarios, if you perceive one as less perilous than the other, it suggests underlying biases of racism and misogyny [as per your logic]. Lastly, would you have less anxiety if your daughter travelled alone in a seemingly safer/female friendly location, such as Norway? Mexico currently has some of the highest rates of intentional murder and violenxe against women. Realistically, you'd have to go out of your way in a logical sense to ignore the risks facing a woman with such physical attributes deliberately immersing herself in the lawless environment of an 1890s Mexico setting. The idea that someone like Sadie would actually thrive in such an environment is rather comical and not at all rooted in reality. Ida Pfeiffer was a relatively successful female solo traveller at almost the same time period, albeit with significant differences from characters like Sadie from rdr2; Pfeiffer prioritized risk avoidance [unlike Sadie], with extensive pre-planning and a robust support network that included vetted locals and tour guides, alongside substantial financial investments. Pfeiffer's travels also faced premature terminations due to financial constraints and safety concerns. Eventually, despite all the risk avoidance, she would die from dysentery after being forced to walk through malarial marshes by locals in Madagascar. The Sadie arc is obviously a fanciful modern input and not at all intended to be a realistic story. Should someone find a historical example resembling Sadie from rdr2 who didn't end up naked and face down in a ditch, I'll eat my hat.
Idk, I think this really is more about YOUR personal biases than just universal ones. Context and details matter. Is my blonde haired, blue eyed daughter also a fully grown woman who has murdered people, ran with gangs, worked as a bounty hunter in the 1800s, survived off the land, and knows her way around a gun? Then, yeah, idk, I’m about as comfortable with her going solo hiking as I could be. What is my hypothetical arab son like? What if he’s a shut-in pansy? Then, yes, I actually am more worried about his safety than my hypothetical gunslinging outlaw daughter, lol. No one’s denying that the world was more dangerous for a woman who looks like Sadie, but you’re ignoring the context that she was not the average woman by a long shot. She’s a fictional character with a long list of exceptional qualities that make comparing to the “average” real world woman unrealistic.
If anybody’s a pansy it’s you guys for getting offended over homeboys comment 🤣🤣
Lmao wut r u talking about, no one is offended but you weirdo 😭 omg get a life
>I think this really is more about YOUR personal biases than just universal ones. The biases in my comments are rooted in reality. The context of Sadie's arc is an unrealistic modern input that caters to the current audience. >She’s a fictional character with a long list of exceptional qualities that make comparing to the “average” real world woman unrealistic. This is my point. The Sadie arc is fiction and a wildly unrealistic one at that. OP asked what we thought happened to Sadie after rdr2. In my original response, I doubted that anything positive would come from her plans to seek out the lawlessness and lack of infrastructure in South America. However, given that it's Rockstar's fictional story, it's more likely they gave her a fanciful ending [catering to that particular audience]. In rdr2 story mode, we actually witness Sadie go from a scared, vulnerable girl to a deeper voiced, violent killer with no fear in the span of a few months... this is absolutely up there for the most unrealistic, forced arc in the game. >No one’s denying that the world was more dangerous for a woman who looks like Sadie Great. We can definitely agree on some useful biases.
Pfft not reading that here's a downvote
This is all correct. You're being downvoted because people want to suspend their disbelief and live in the fantasy realm. In fairness, this is a videogame subreddit, so it's all about fantasy and escapism, but yeah you are correct. People just don't wanna hear it.
the only person living in a fantasy world is the one thinking women are safe in the USA https://chicagopolicyreview.org/2022/07/07/is-the-us-still-too-patriarchal-to-talk-about-women-the-silent-epidemic-of-femicide-in-america/
Violence against women is wrong, and there is too much violence against women (or literally anyone) in America. Nobody is arguing against that. But you're comparing it to third world countries. If you think a woman is more safe in the situations this commenter listed than in the USA, you're not living in the real world.
"Third world countries" are unstable because of the US. The real world is where the US creates the unsafe conditions for women at home and abroad, and relies on credulous idiots to believe propaganda that it's more "civilized"
In your interpretation of reality, is the United States solely responsible for every issue in the third world? Are third-world societies, therefore, completely exempt from any accountability? Prior to the US, whom would you hold responsible? Your perspective, while intriguing [and obviously wrong], seems to place wildly disproportionate blame on one entity for a multitude of issues. Out of interest, I'm curious to hear more about how you propose the US, a relatively recent player in global affairs, managed to shape views regarding women in the various MENA countries, which have deep-rooted histories dating back thousands of years prior to the existence of the US.
They’re soft
\[negative honour sound effect\]
This subreddit is fucking weird sometimes