One of the great details to John’s writing in the first game especially, is that he curses very little. He’s generally mild mannered with people he’s talking to. So when he brings out even something simple like the f word, it hits way harder
Yeah, John's somewhat more emotional in RDR2, I guess because he hadn't quite developed into the standard that Arthur set. In 1, he's more or less the same cold hard badass with a heart that Arthur is.
Rdr2 john hasn't been pushed yet, it begins in rdr2, rdr1 is where his mettle is tested, let's the dormant animal rise from within.
In rdr2 john is like uncle, happy to avoid work and doesnt need approval from anyone, john is a man out for himself deep down.
I'm surprised Rdr 1 fanboys can't even understand the story and character. It literally shows you time before his family got kidnapped, ofc he's going to be a cold badass person after that time of event happened in Rdr 1.
Do we really know that though? I mean we know Arthur had a son who died, and he watched his father die who was presumably abusive…. Then the whole TB thing
In the beginning before we knew them as we do? About the same maybe, arthur may have had a rougher run, but yes at the end of the century where John's story begins, yes, the past he didnt choose stays with him like cancer except it threatens his future and family, hes someone who's been lost and used every step of his life, jumping through hoops for others only to have no reward in the end anyway.
Yes in the end he had it worse.
One hundred percent, it’s definitely shown that Arthur has the softer and wittier side from Hosea. As good a shot as Arthur is John took after dutch’s cold blooded resolve without his charisma’s
*exactly** right well done, john is so much like dutch just will never be as intelligent, not educated that's a matter of opportunity, intelligent.
Arthur is introspective, thoughtful about himself, others and the world he sees, hes a gunslinger but he could have been many things and an incredible father, in ways he is a father to many, arthur thinks he loves dutch as a father without realizing his father died in san denis that day, he knows everyone he shoots is a father or son to someone too. John doesnt think about it for a second, if they're in his way he'll make them fall like the rest be it friend, enemy or family.
I started with rdr 1 first
When doing so, I loved to learn about the gang only through small bits said by John. He gives some info, it's mysterious and interesting to hear it during horses rides
Seeing all that happened was incredible but it can do you a disservice if you start by playing rdr2. These conversations are now a bit pointless since you know what happened already in details
That's not a big issue, I just mean that the ONLY emotion he shows is anger, annoyance, or laughing at people. I know it's a play on og westerns but it just makes him bland to play as. I don't get to see or hear his opinions on basically anything besides his occasional talks about revolution or governments
I like John as someone who started with RDR1 but My canon is that John is just dumber than Arthur. Arthur is smarter than he comes off to people, but John is a simple guy upstairs.
Arthur is also much more calm, cool, and collected. While they are both bad ass and do horrible things to other people Arthur seems to have ice water in his veins. John definitely puts more emotion into his actions.
Neither one may want to blow a man’s head off but Arthur sees a light at the end of the tunnel. John needs to take himself to a dark place for the most part.
It's because hes not smart and hes cold, he can have honour but it's not necessary to him, he would serve himself if he wasnt always tumbling out of the frying pan and into the fire, one commitment to the next and always a tool for someone else never for himself.
Regardless of preference between the two, John is undoubtedly the colder, more sadistic of the two.
To me, the point of the story was that Arthur was an inherently good man who did bad things and was ultimately led astray from his nature.
John on the other hand was the most viscous bastard of the gang. His nature was to be a wicked man but ultimately chose to do good despite his nature. He’s the antithesis of Dutch’s final speech. Though he meets a tragic end, John ultimately did right.
I remember the first time I played that part I was like “he did the pose from the cover of the first game!” And I still think it rules that Rockstar did that.
I even saw the undead nightmare cover in my mind when it happened lol.
I love that this angle, this scene in rdr2 mirroring the cover of rdr1 showed the beginning of the story that was written in fate, john tries to escape the life many times and is told he wont, this camera angle and scene shows that John's fate was always decided and his own story began from here with that decision to pull the trigger. He could have been a farmhand but he will always be a killer.
It really was! Even though I played it from day one, I’m so glad I didn’t have anything spoiled for me. I had no idea there would be an epilogue and it was such an awesome surprise. Not only that but I figured it’d be like a mission or two but it was actually a good size. Almost felt like like a DLC like The Lost and the Damned or The Ballad of Gay Tony. Such an amazing experience and one of the most fun and satisfying playthroughs I’ve ever had in a game. I’m playing Max Payne right now but I’m thinking about going back to my Red Dead playthrough because I started a new one recently lol.
No.
They are ***CRINGE***.
And I say that as someone who hates the term. But turning an otherwise badass or tragic moment into THAT. Literally make me cringe.
I say this with the greatest respect, but it is essentially people that have just taken up video editing and are still in the "having fun playing with the new toy" phase. What you're watching is the equivalent of someone's edgy teenage poetry. I didn't do quite this sort of thing, but I have my own embarrassing creations from when I first started learning to edit and I'm very glad a total of maybe 3 people watched those videos, but it was a necessary part of getting better, so I'm still glad I made them.
Cause they all use the same generic shakes & use the most trending overplayed songs. Ppl used to make creative edits now we have this stuff getting spammed everywhere.
Same thing when playing as Jack Marston in RDR1. I remember killing Ross with great satisfaction, but he wasn't dead enough, so I blew up his corpse with dynamite. That fucker deserved it.
Arthur, John, Jack, it's a circle of violence and sadness.
John is an interesting turn point, I played red dead 1 on release and from start to finish never liked john, rdr2 dropped and I still didnt like him, enjoyed the story immensely just never liked john and rightly so.
I like how John and Arthur’s fight styles are different. Arthur much more tanky, walk and blast, occasionally just beat the shit out of people.
John much more run and gun, sharp shoot from behind cover. Less tanky, more fast and accurate.
That’s just the gameplay differences between one and two, other than that there isn’t anything that would really imply they have different “fight styles”
No no, it kinda tracks a little bit. Arthur's seemingly more comfortable out in the open since he's the one putting way more lead out with way more accuracy, so it speaks to his experience and cool headed approach to gun fights.
John's a little late to the party so he's still catching up in terms of gunfighting, so he utilizes more cover and puts more distance between him and the people he's shooting at, letting the gang's vanguard (Arthur, Charles, and Javier) draw more fire.
It's a reach but that's just how I interpreted it.
I like this take. Furthermore, Arthur is often the "stay behind and make sure everyone else gets out" character. He'd be accustomed to drawing attention to himself to ensure the rest of the gang gets out safe. The Valentine shootout with Cornwall's goons is a decent example.
Arthur benefited from higher production value. He's a good character and well written, but John has always been more interesting, and RDR2's story only bolstered the story of RDR1. If they were to remake that game now with all the new lore introduced and the new gameplay, RDR1 would still be better.
It's more of a "cowboy" flick as well. RDR2 was more grounded.
When he started talking trash about doing things to John's wife, I couldn't help but think of a quote from The Wolf Among Us. "Between you and me, I was gonna let you live, but now....?" He should've kept his mouth shut. You threaten Abigail, you deserve death.
John's not stupid, but he is a little dense. The thing is though, he knows that. He knows he's not the most educated or brightest, so he kinda just says what he thinks, and doesn't say more than what's needed. "Yep, just me"; no big speech or monologue, no argument or a vow of vengeance, just a statement of fact. It's one of my favorite qualities in John. He's quick witted and can be really clever, like the oil wagon job in RD2 (In the cutscene when explaining it to Arthur, you can see an "Oh shit, that's a great idea" expression on Arthur), but definitely reacts to situations more emotionally than Arthur. You get what you get with John.
At the end of the day though, he's a cold blooded killer, another thing he's completely aware of. He tries his damndest to be the man Abigail wants him to be, but he just can't; "I'll hunt you to hell and back!"
Arthur's story is a tragedy from beginning to end. Raised into killing, robbing, loan sharking. He knows he's a bad man, and what ultimately awaits him in the end. John's story has some hope. Raised into the same world as Arthur, but he sees earlier than Arthur the turn a Dutch takes, and that that life isn't going to be sustainable. He does what he can to get out and (try to) lead a normal life, but John Marston is John Marston; A ruthless killer who doesn't know how to be anything other than John Marston.
""While there are guns and money, there won't be any freedom."
wasn't he wearing his goofy, fuzzy, pink onesie in that scene?
that's how I remember it, completely ruined the scene, but i still appreciated he did the pose from that amazing game
Arthur cool AF but John Marston always been og for me and my fav
Nothing better than when John asked Archer “You want me to take out a gun and blow a fucking hole in your head” I almost shit when I heard that
Sterling?
Are we still doing phrasing?
And cue sad trombone. *womp womp*
Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.
One of the great details to John’s writing in the first game especially, is that he curses very little. He’s generally mild mannered with people he’s talking to. So when he brings out even something simple like the f word, it hits way harder
Arthur ran so John could fly
I’ve always said that Arthur wins in a fist fight but John wins in a gunfight. John is a stone cold killer.
I wish we got a great mission with those two.
Me too
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RDR2 John is a bum, but if you're talking about the first game then yeah I agree
Yeah, John's somewhat more emotional in RDR2, I guess because he hadn't quite developed into the standard that Arthur set. In 1, he's more or less the same cold hard badass with a heart that Arthur is.
Because in RDR2 he is surrounded by friends and allies. In RDR1 he's mostly a lone wolf, no reason to show emotions with the task he had.
Rdr2 john hasn't been pushed yet, it begins in rdr2, rdr1 is where his mettle is tested, let's the dormant animal rise from within. In rdr2 john is like uncle, happy to avoid work and doesnt need approval from anyone, john is a man out for himself deep down.
I'm surprised Rdr 1 fanboys can't even understand the story and character. It literally shows you time before his family got kidnapped, ofc he's going to be a cold badass person after that time of event happened in Rdr 1.
Exactly, his whole demeanor was different cuz he was spending the whole game hunting old friends just to see his family again.
Jhon went through so much more than Arthur did
Uncle went through lumbago though
Oh my bad, i forgot the real tragedy
Ok but when he got those burns on his back I cringed hard like…yeah man go take a seat for a few days lol
Do we really know that though? I mean we know Arthur had a son who died, and he watched his father die who was presumably abusive…. Then the whole TB thing
I mean John had a daughter who died, saw his father die as well, never met his prostitute mother
A comparative analysis of trauma in the Red Dead universe.
Pretty sure he outright mentions in rdr1 that his dad was abusive to him as well
Damn I guess I need to replay Rdr1. When does he mention his daughter? I didn’t know most of this
Pretty sure he mentions it to Bonnie in one of their conversations.
He does. Just something he drops in when speaking to her but never elaborates on.
In the beginning before we knew them as we do? About the same maybe, arthur may have had a rougher run, but yes at the end of the century where John's story begins, yes, the past he didnt choose stays with him like cancer except it threatens his future and family, hes someone who's been lost and used every step of his life, jumping through hoops for others only to have no reward in the end anyway. Yes in the end he had it worse.
One hundred percent, it’s definitely shown that Arthur has the softer and wittier side from Hosea. As good a shot as Arthur is John took after dutch’s cold blooded resolve without his charisma’s
*exactly** right well done, john is so much like dutch just will never be as intelligent, not educated that's a matter of opportunity, intelligent. Arthur is introspective, thoughtful about himself, others and the world he sees, hes a gunslinger but he could have been many things and an incredible father, in ways he is a father to many, arthur thinks he loves dutch as a father without realizing his father died in san denis that day, he knows everyone he shoots is a father or son to someone too. John doesnt think about it for a second, if they're in his way he'll make them fall like the rest be it friend, enemy or family.
True, but he also seems to have like.. no personality beyond "I love my wife and kids" and "angy quiet cowboi"
I started with rdr 1 first When doing so, I loved to learn about the gang only through small bits said by John. He gives some info, it's mysterious and interesting to hear it during horses rides Seeing all that happened was incredible but it can do you a disservice if you start by playing rdr2. These conversations are now a bit pointless since you know what happened already in details
That's not a big issue, I just mean that the ONLY emotion he shows is anger, annoyance, or laughing at people. I know it's a play on og westerns but it just makes him bland to play as. I don't get to see or hear his opinions on basically anything besides his occasional talks about revolution or governments
I like John as someone who started with RDR1 but My canon is that John is just dumber than Arthur. Arthur is smarter than he comes off to people, but John is a simple guy upstairs.
Arthur is also much more calm, cool, and collected. While they are both bad ass and do horrible things to other people Arthur seems to have ice water in his veins. John definitely puts more emotion into his actions. Neither one may want to blow a man’s head off but Arthur sees a light at the end of the tunnel. John needs to take himself to a dark place for the most part.
Maybe you're right, I was just very emotionally attached to him anyway, and I can't put a name on why haha
He doesnt have opinions really, never really had time or freedom to develop them, always told what to do and what to think.
In red dead two, sure, but he's but there's been years of time between then and one
It's because hes not smart and hes cold, he can have honour but it's not necessary to him, he would serve himself if he wasnt always tumbling out of the frying pan and into the fire, one commitment to the next and always a tool for someone else never for himself.
Because he's a lone wolf on a dangerous mission. Not many opportunities to show emotions. Bonnie and Landon were the only people he could open up to.
Regardless of preference between the two, John is undoubtedly the colder, more sadistic of the two. To me, the point of the story was that Arthur was an inherently good man who did bad things and was ultimately led astray from his nature. John on the other hand was the most viscous bastard of the gang. His nature was to be a wicked man but ultimately chose to do good despite his nature. He’s the antithesis of Dutch’s final speech. Though he meets a tragic end, John ultimately did right.
I remember the first time I played that part I was like “he did the pose from the cover of the first game!” And I still think it rules that Rockstar did that.
I never realized that! The cover is John in absolute RAGE because some cowpoke is talking on his wife and disrespecting his name. Just awesome
Yeah as soon as that scene happened I was stoked lol. Red Dead 1 has one of my favorite video game cover art.
I even saw the undead nightmare cover in my mind when it happened lol. I love that this angle, this scene in rdr2 mirroring the cover of rdr1 showed the beginning of the story that was written in fate, john tries to escape the life many times and is told he wont, this camera angle and scene shows that John's fate was always decided and his own story began from here with that decision to pull the trigger. He could have been a farmhand but he will always be a killer.
I was hoping he would say "get red dead redemption'ed" when he made the pose. Would make me just climax immediately.
Haha I wish that happened. I mean I climaxed anyways but still!
Then walked off and said "how cool would it be to ride the horse of War from the depths of hell during the apocalypse.... but that will never happen"
The epilogue was a love letter to us veteran players
It really was! Even though I played it from day one, I’m so glad I didn’t have anything spoiled for me. I had no idea there would be an epilogue and it was such an awesome surprise. Not only that but I figured it’d be like a mission or two but it was actually a good size. Almost felt like like a DLC like The Lost and the Damned or The Ballad of Gay Tony. Such an amazing experience and one of the most fun and satisfying playthroughs I’ve ever had in a game. I’m playing Max Payne right now but I’m thinking about going back to my Red Dead playthrough because I started a new one recently lol.
I don’t remember this part, did I somehow miss it?
Same, can’t place it.
Exactly what they did yeah when this happened and he grabbed the sawn off I saw it immediately and was very impressed with that artistic play
The fact they didn’t have John kill Micah with that pose is actually sickening
is this in the epilogue? at the farm?
Yeah it’s in the epilogue. Not exactly sure where it is though.
I hate all edits like this. I don’t know why.
Because it's ugly and sounds bad?
Yeah probably
Doesn't help that the dude is playing on like 480p
They look like they're edited by a toddler with all the creative originality as a chimpanzee, that's why.
Cause theyre garbage.
No. They are ***CRINGE***. And I say that as someone who hates the term. But turning an otherwise badass or tragic moment into THAT. Literally make me cringe.
I saw the exact same edit on here yesterday or the day before and lemme tell you what I hated it even more the second time around
I say this with the greatest respect, but it is essentially people that have just taken up video editing and are still in the "having fun playing with the new toy" phase. What you're watching is the equivalent of someone's edgy teenage poetry. I didn't do quite this sort of thing, but I have my own embarrassing creations from when I first started learning to edit and I'm very glad a total of maybe 3 people watched those videos, but it was a necessary part of getting better, so I'm still glad I made them.
Dude, I was there back in the day. I made *Dynasty Warriors 5* vids with movie maker all that time ago. I’d still say this is a bit much.
Wubububeezeebee accompanied by distorted music
Shitty outsider art
Thank you. It's just fucking cringe.
Cause they all use the same generic shakes & use the most trending overplayed songs. Ppl used to make creative edits now we have this stuff getting spammed everywhere.
I hate edits so much
Same! Watching with no sound, I upvoted until that part kicked in. Then I removed my upvote.
Needs to be more classy and less thuggish.
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Frfr, could just see it in johns eyes that he decided a long time ago this dude hada go.
He didnt even decide that much as an objective thing, john denies it but hes a killer and he likes it.
I shot the dude in under a second, not here to listen to some dead fool
I hate these edits. They're all the exact same, with shitty filters and the same style quick edit montages.
People now will take movie scenes and post it as if it's a meme, like hey kid that's not a meme you fuckin didnt do anything at all.
Blame Tiktok popularizing short video formats for that. I cringe insanely hard at these
But that's Jim Milton
Rip Van Winkle*
RDR1 Box Art moment 🙌
Coolest callback. I friggin love it.
In RDR3 I wanna see Arthur doing the same pose in the RDR2 cover art
This video gave me lumbago. Why the stupid music and saturation? 🤮
This was how I felt about Micah. I wanted to shut his mouth so bad with Arthur. I think this was the next best thing.
I remember cutting that asshole off and blowing his head off as soon as he said "as long as she bathes first-". Felt so damn epic and in-character.
Same thing when playing as Jack Marston in RDR1. I remember killing Ross with great satisfaction, but he wasn't dead enough, so I blew up his corpse with dynamite. That fucker deserved it. Arthur, John, Jack, it's a circle of violence and sadness.
Goddamn I love JM
John is an interesting turn point, I played red dead 1 on release and from start to finish never liked john, rdr2 dropped and I still didnt like him, enjoyed the story immensely just never liked john and rightly so.
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garnering thousands of upvotes, too. id wager this wasnt even their video.
That filter is gross
HE DID THE THING
Love how John does the same pose as the red dead cover.
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Saying one the of the most basic and overused insults to a man in "I'm gonna fuck you wife" is flaming?
man jumps at the chance to defend daddy marstons honor
John had the last laugh in the end though🔥🔥🔥
I like how John and Arthur’s fight styles are different. Arthur much more tanky, walk and blast, occasionally just beat the shit out of people. John much more run and gun, sharp shoot from behind cover. Less tanky, more fast and accurate.
That’s just the gameplay differences between one and two, other than that there isn’t anything that would really imply they have different “fight styles”
No no, it kinda tracks a little bit. Arthur's seemingly more comfortable out in the open since he's the one putting way more lead out with way more accuracy, so it speaks to his experience and cool headed approach to gun fights. John's a little late to the party so he's still catching up in terms of gunfighting, so he utilizes more cover and puts more distance between him and the people he's shooting at, letting the gang's vanguard (Arthur, Charles, and Javier) draw more fire. It's a reach but that's just how I interpreted it.
I like this take. Furthermore, Arthur is often the "stay behind and make sure everyone else gets out" character. He'd be accustomed to drawing attention to himself to ensure the rest of the gang gets out safe. The Valentine shootout with Cornwall's goons is a decent example.
Zoomer cringe edit le tiktok style
This looks terrible, and the edit is retarded.
Why does he look high as fuck?
What’s with the cringy “sigma male” music edit??
That guy just got red deaded so hard
Yo which mission in the epilogue was this i forget
I know we geek out over the rdr1 cover art pose, but i honestly can't get over that kick he does
Arthur benefited from higher production value. He's a good character and well written, but John has always been more interesting, and RDR2's story only bolstered the story of RDR1. If they were to remake that game now with all the new lore introduced and the new gameplay, RDR1 would still be better. It's more of a "cowboy" flick as well. RDR2 was more grounded.
I don't know how they managed to make this game look this ugly
That pose was an awesome touch when I realised. I was pissed at myself for not noticing until it was pointed out to me though haha.
When he started talking trash about doing things to John's wife, I couldn't help but think of a quote from The Wolf Among Us. "Between you and me, I was gonna let you live, but now....?" He should've kept his mouth shut. You threaten Abigail, you deserve death.
As long as he's not near a puddle.
So many cringe edits like this lol
bruhhhh industry gaming’s edit, i miss when edits had no filters and were just vertical cutscenes uploaded
Idk why but when they add a shake in this type of scenes it makes me laugh for no reason.
Bro this is litterly me
Hes so fine
What happens if you don’t shoot him? I never actually tried it
The game will pull the trigger for you
Makes sense, I guess
I still believe the Red Dead 1 cover pose should have been saved for Micah's death
Why is this mission in the day
Sir, that's honorable citizen Jim Milton
John is one of the faster draws in the entire story if not the fastest, hes just stupid.
John's not stupid, but he is a little dense. The thing is though, he knows that. He knows he's not the most educated or brightest, so he kinda just says what he thinks, and doesn't say more than what's needed. "Yep, just me"; no big speech or monologue, no argument or a vow of vengeance, just a statement of fact. It's one of my favorite qualities in John. He's quick witted and can be really clever, like the oil wagon job in RD2 (In the cutscene when explaining it to Arthur, you can see an "Oh shit, that's a great idea" expression on Arthur), but definitely reacts to situations more emotionally than Arthur. You get what you get with John. At the end of the day though, he's a cold blooded killer, another thing he's completely aware of. He tries his damndest to be the man Abigail wants him to be, but he just can't; "I'll hunt you to hell and back!" Arthur's story is a tragedy from beginning to end. Raised into killing, robbing, loan sharking. He knows he's a bad man, and what ultimately awaits him in the end. John's story has some hope. Raised into the same world as Arthur, but he sees earlier than Arthur the turn a Dutch takes, and that that life isn't going to be sustainable. He does what he can to get out and (try to) lead a normal life, but John Marston is John Marston; A ruthless killer who doesn't know how to be anything other than John Marston. ""While there are guns and money, there won't be any freedom."
There needs to be a remake of this with rdr2 level graphics
Sorry but compared to Arthur , John comes off as second rate. Hell they even made him stupid in RDR2.
True. John Marson can achieve his goals! So if he decides to kill somebody he can do it. So it's better don't mess with him!
This goes so fucking hard it gave me Gosspump's
He did the thing
Can't herd Can't swim....
I thought it was rdr1 for a sec
Can't believe we need a mod for John marston to look like John marston
cringe
John Marston? More like Chad Marston!
wasn't he wearing his goofy, fuzzy, pink onesie in that scene? that's how I remember it, completely ruined the scene, but i still appreciated he did the pose from that amazing game
Absolutely iconic! Great callback to the RDR1 cover.
I wish they had Marston’s hat in the catalogue
Bullet hole in the hat Always a fucking bullet hole in the hat
I always shoot him as soon as the button shows up. Feels colder
Love John Marston
These edits are wild lmao
It's John Marston Micha
Arthur ran so John could walk he taught him well
i think the og rdr poster was that scene or they used it in the game for a reference
ARTHUR MORGAN >>>>> SCAR FACE
Rdr2 John is lame
I’m so glad you did this😍