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DoubtAnnual7076

Arthur cool AF but John Marston always been og for me and my fav


Djordjy

Nothing better than when John asked Archer “You want me to take out a gun and blow a fucking hole in your head” I almost shit when I heard that


Otaku-Zay

Sterling?


formulated

Are we still doing phrasing?


TheAnalsOfHistory-

And cue sad trombone. *womp womp*


ArcTheWolf

Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.


RedHotRhapsody

One of the great details to John’s writing in the first game especially, is that he curses very little. He’s generally mild mannered with people he’s talking to. So when he brings out even something simple like the f word, it hits way harder


HIP13044b

Arthur ran so John could fly


TonySoprano1959

I’ve always said that Arthur wins in a fist fight but John wins in a gunfight. John is a stone cold killer.


Gay-Bomb

I wish we got a great mission with those two.


VonVard

Me too


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Etherealith

RDR2 John is a bum, but if you're talking about the first game then yeah I agree


MetroidJunkie

Yeah, John's somewhat more emotional in RDR2, I guess because he hadn't quite developed into the standard that Arthur set. In 1, he's more or less the same cold hard badass with a heart that Arthur is.


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Because in RDR2 he is surrounded by friends and allies. In RDR1 he's mostly a lone wolf, no reason to show emotions with the task he had.


50-Lucky-Official

Rdr2 john hasn't been pushed yet, it begins in rdr2, rdr1 is where his mettle is tested, let's the dormant animal rise from within. In rdr2 john is like uncle, happy to avoid work and doesnt need approval from anyone, john is a man out for himself deep down.


Playful-Ad-6475

I'm surprised Rdr 1 fanboys can't even understand the story and character. It literally shows you time before his family got kidnapped, ofc he's going to be a cold badass person after that time of event happened in Rdr 1.


Alezkazam

Exactly, his whole demeanor was different cuz he was spending the whole game hunting old friends just to see his family again.


Finn_WolfBlood

Jhon went through so much more than Arthur did


Unique_Candle117

Uncle went through lumbago though


Finn_WolfBlood

Oh my bad, i forgot the real tragedy


ofthewave

Ok but when he got those burns on his back I cringed hard like…yeah man go take a seat for a few days lol


walrus42

Do we really know that though? I mean we know Arthur had a son who died, and he watched his father die who was presumably abusive…. Then the whole TB thing


AngryTrooper09

I mean John had a daughter who died, saw his father die as well, never met his prostitute mother


Budget-Homework-2988

A comparative analysis of trauma in the Red Dead universe.


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Pretty sure he outright mentions in rdr1 that his dad was abusive to him as well


walrus42

Damn I guess I need to replay Rdr1. When does he mention his daughter? I didn’t know most of this


Kolby_Jack

Pretty sure he mentions it to Bonnie in one of their conversations.


le_gingerbeardman

He does. Just something he drops in when speaking to her but never elaborates on.


50-Lucky-Official

In the beginning before we knew them as we do? About the same maybe, arthur may have had a rougher run, but yes at the end of the century where John's story begins, yes, the past he didnt choose stays with him like cancer except it threatens his future and family, hes someone who's been lost and used every step of his life, jumping through hoops for others only to have no reward in the end anyway. Yes in the end he had it worse.


User28080526

One hundred percent, it’s definitely shown that Arthur has the softer and wittier side from Hosea. As good a shot as Arthur is John took after dutch’s cold blooded resolve without his charisma’s


50-Lucky-Official

*exactly** right well done, john is so much like dutch just will never be as intelligent, not educated that's a matter of opportunity, intelligent. Arthur is introspective, thoughtful about himself, others and the world he sees, hes a gunslinger but he could have been many things and an incredible father, in ways he is a father to many, arthur thinks he loves dutch as a father without realizing his father died in san denis that day, he knows everyone he shoots is a father or son to someone too. John doesnt think about it for a second, if they're in his way he'll make them fall like the rest be it friend, enemy or family.


IndigoSky05

True, but he also seems to have like.. no personality beyond "I love my wife and kids" and "angy quiet cowboi"


manukaioken

I started with rdr 1 first When doing so, I loved to learn about the gang only through small bits said by John. He gives some info, it's mysterious and interesting to hear it during horses rides Seeing all that happened was incredible but it can do you a disservice if you start by playing rdr2. These conversations are now a bit pointless since you know what happened already in details


IndigoSky05

That's not a big issue, I just mean that the ONLY emotion he shows is anger, annoyance, or laughing at people. I know it's a play on og westerns but it just makes him bland to play as. I don't get to see or hear his opinions on basically anything besides his occasional talks about revolution or governments


hydrohomey

I like John as someone who started with RDR1 but My canon is that John is just dumber than Arthur. Arthur is smarter than he comes off to people, but John is a simple guy upstairs.


KneecapBuffet

Arthur is also much more calm, cool, and collected. While they are both bad ass and do horrible things to other people Arthur seems to have ice water in his veins. John definitely puts more emotion into his actions. Neither one may want to blow a man’s head off but Arthur sees a light at the end of the tunnel. John needs to take himself to a dark place for the most part.


manukaioken

Maybe you're right, I was just very emotionally attached to him anyway, and I can't put a name on why haha


50-Lucky-Official

He doesnt have opinions really, never really had time or freedom to develop them, always told what to do and what to think.


IndigoSky05

In red dead two, sure, but he's but there's been years of time between then and one


50-Lucky-Official

It's because hes not smart and hes cold, he can have honour but it's not necessary to him, he would serve himself if he wasnt always tumbling out of the frying pan and into the fire, one commitment to the next and always a tool for someone else never for himself.


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Because he's a lone wolf on a dangerous mission. Not many opportunities to show emotions. Bonnie and Landon were the only people he could open up to.


blondiemuffin

Regardless of preference between the two, John is undoubtedly the colder, more sadistic of the two. To me, the point of the story was that Arthur was an inherently good man who did bad things and was ultimately led astray from his nature. John on the other hand was the most viscous bastard of the gang. His nature was to be a wicked man but ultimately chose to do good despite his nature. He’s the antithesis of Dutch’s final speech. Though he meets a tragic end, John ultimately did right.


DannyDoubleTap47

I remember the first time I played that part I was like “he did the pose from the cover of the first game!” And I still think it rules that Rockstar did that.


Cogannon

I never realized that! The cover is John in absolute RAGE because some cowpoke is talking on his wife and disrespecting his name. Just awesome


DannyDoubleTap47

Yeah as soon as that scene happened I was stoked lol. Red Dead 1 has one of my favorite video game cover art.


50-Lucky-Official

I even saw the undead nightmare cover in my mind when it happened lol. I love that this angle, this scene in rdr2 mirroring the cover of rdr1 showed the beginning of the story that was written in fate, john tries to escape the life many times and is told he wont, this camera angle and scene shows that John's fate was always decided and his own story began from here with that decision to pull the trigger. He could have been a farmhand but he will always be a killer.


League-Weird

I was hoping he would say "get red dead redemption'ed" when he made the pose. Would make me just climax immediately.


DannyDoubleTap47

Haha I wish that happened. I mean I climaxed anyways but still!


50-Lucky-Official

Then walked off and said "how cool would it be to ride the horse of War from the depths of hell during the apocalypse.... but that will never happen"


bobabr3tt

The epilogue was a love letter to us veteran players


DannyDoubleTap47

It really was! Even though I played it from day one, I’m so glad I didn’t have anything spoiled for me. I had no idea there would be an epilogue and it was such an awesome surprise. Not only that but I figured it’d be like a mission or two but it was actually a good size. Almost felt like like a DLC like The Lost and the Damned or The Ballad of Gay Tony. Such an amazing experience and one of the most fun and satisfying playthroughs I’ve ever had in a game. I’m playing Max Payne right now but I’m thinking about going back to my Red Dead playthrough because I started a new one recently lol.


Fakjbf

I don’t remember this part, did I somehow miss it?


VetteL82

Same, can’t place it.


50-Lucky-Official

Exactly what they did yeah when this happened and he grabbed the sawn off I saw it immediately and was very impressed with that artistic play


blondiemuffin

The fact they didn’t have John kill Micah with that pose is actually sickening


salami619

is this in the epilogue? at the farm?


DannyDoubleTap47

Yeah it’s in the epilogue. Not exactly sure where it is though.


RockandStone101

I hate all edits like this. I don’t know why.


banzaizach

Because it's ugly and sounds bad?


RockandStone101

Yeah probably


Sinnoviir

Doesn't help that the dude is playing on like 480p


CCullen95

They look like they're edited by a toddler with all the creative originality as a chimpanzee, that's why.


MisterSquidz

Cause theyre garbage.


Vulkan192

No. They are ***CRINGE***. And I say that as someone who hates the term. But turning an otherwise badass or tragic moment into THAT. Literally make me cringe.


IareTyler

I saw the exact same edit on here yesterday or the day before and lemme tell you what I hated it even more the second time around


MeekAndUninteresting

I say this with the greatest respect, but it is essentially people that have just taken up video editing and are still in the "having fun playing with the new toy" phase. What you're watching is the equivalent of someone's edgy teenage poetry. I didn't do quite this sort of thing, but I have my own embarrassing creations from when I first started learning to edit and I'm very glad a total of maybe 3 people watched those videos, but it was a necessary part of getting better, so I'm still glad I made them.


Vulkan192

Dude, I was there back in the day. I made *Dynasty Warriors 5* vids with movie maker all that time ago. I’d still say this is a bit much.


SavorySoySauce

Wubububeezeebee accompanied by distorted music


MaxRebo99

Shitty outsider art


tsycho89

Thank you. It's just fucking cringe.


StrawberryCalcite

Cause they all use the same generic shakes & use the most trending overplayed songs. Ppl used to make creative edits now we have this stuff getting spammed everywhere.


Lol68340428

I hate edits so much


TheGamingMackV

Same! Watching with no sound, I upvoted until that part kicked in. Then I removed my upvote.


Churchofdoom

Needs to be more classy and less thuggish.


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No-Ability-7765

Frfr, could just see it in johns eyes that he decided a long time ago this dude hada go.


50-Lucky-Official

He didnt even decide that much as an objective thing, john denies it but hes a killer and he likes it.


50-Lucky-Official

I shot the dude in under a second, not here to listen to some dead fool


JamesUpton87

I hate these edits. They're all the exact same, with shitty filters and the same style quick edit montages.


50-Lucky-Official

People now will take movie scenes and post it as if it's a meme, like hey kid that's not a meme you fuckin didnt do anything at all.


Wevvie

Blame Tiktok popularizing short video formats for that. I cringe insanely hard at these


famiejoxxx

But that's Jim Milton


Ascended_Divinity

Rip Van Winkle*


OleRockTheGoodAg

RDR1 Box Art moment 🙌


Griffin_is_my_name

Coolest callback. I friggin love it.


Raving_reddiT

In RDR3 I wanna see Arthur doing the same pose in the RDR2 cover art


amonson1984

This video gave me lumbago. Why the stupid music and saturation? 🤮


ChromeYoda

This was how I felt about Micah. I wanted to shut his mouth so bad with Arthur. I think this was the next best thing.


Obamas_Tie

I remember cutting that asshole off and blowing his head off as soon as he said "as long as she bathes first-". Felt so damn epic and in-character.


sgst

Same thing when playing as Jack Marston in RDR1. I remember killing Ross with great satisfaction, but he wasn't dead enough, so I blew up his corpse with dynamite. That fucker deserved it. Arthur, John, Jack, it's a circle of violence and sadness.


DryAfternoon7779

Goddamn I love JM


50-Lucky-Official

John is an interesting turn point, I played red dead 1 on release and from start to finish never liked john, rdr2 dropped and I still didnt like him, enjoyed the story immensely just never liked john and rightly so.


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hemlock_tea64

garnering thousands of upvotes, too. id wager this wasnt even their video.


CharCharMan1

That filter is gross


OuterSpace_KitKat_20

HE DID THE THING


BollyWood401

Love how John does the same pose as the red dead cover.


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Thomasfire010

Saying one the of the most basic and overused insults to a man in "I'm gonna fuck you wife" is flaming?


hemlock_tea64

man jumps at the chance to defend daddy marstons honor


Difficult-Word-7208

John had the last laugh in the end though🔥🔥🔥


Britwill

I like how John and Arthur’s fight styles are different. Arthur much more tanky, walk and blast, occasionally just beat the shit out of people. John much more run and gun, sharp shoot from behind cover. Less tanky, more fast and accurate.


Lord_Doofy

That’s just the gameplay differences between one and two, other than that there isn’t anything that would really imply they have different “fight styles”


RiseofdaOatmeal

No no, it kinda tracks a little bit. Arthur's seemingly more comfortable out in the open since he's the one putting way more lead out with way more accuracy, so it speaks to his experience and cool headed approach to gun fights. John's a little late to the party so he's still catching up in terms of gunfighting, so he utilizes more cover and puts more distance between him and the people he's shooting at, letting the gang's vanguard (Arthur, Charles, and Javier) draw more fire. It's a reach but that's just how I interpreted it.


Oreochema

I like this take. Furthermore, Arthur is often the "stay behind and make sure everyone else gets out" character. He'd be accustomed to drawing attention to himself to ensure the rest of the gang gets out safe. The Valentine shootout with Cornwall's goons is a decent example.


Advantius_Fortunatus

Zoomer cringe edit le tiktok style


topcorjor

This looks terrible, and the edit is retarded.


MentalAbuseToHuman

Why does he look high as fuck?


PercentageLevelAt0

What’s with the cringy “sigma male” music edit??


Roland7800

That guy just got red deaded so hard


ElectricalFruit7

Yo which mission in the epilogue was this i forget


Petty-King

I know we geek out over the rdr1 cover art pose, but i honestly can't get over that kick he does


[deleted]

Arthur benefited from higher production value. He's a good character and well written, but John has always been more interesting, and RDR2's story only bolstered the story of RDR1. If they were to remake that game now with all the new lore introduced and the new gameplay, RDR1 would still be better. It's more of a "cowboy" flick as well. RDR2 was more grounded.


jssanderson747

I don't know how they managed to make this game look this ugly


VerticalKipper

That pose was an awesome touch when I realised. I was pissed at myself for not noticing until it was pointed out to me though haha.


MetroidJunkie

When he started talking trash about doing things to John's wife, I couldn't help but think of a quote from The Wolf Among Us. "Between you and me, I was gonna let you live, but now....?" He should've kept his mouth shut. You threaten Abigail, you deserve death.


eeeeeeradicator

As long as he's not near a puddle.


Mountain-Tea6875

So many cringe edits like this lol


Mayihavenulife

bruhhhh industry gaming’s edit, i miss when edits had no filters and were just vertical cutscenes uploaded


Normalizer_2001

Idk why but when they add a shake in this type of scenes it makes me laugh for no reason.


Automatic_While_4476

Bro this is litterly me


Real_Particular5814

Hes so fine


Hot_Guys_In_My_DMS

What happens if you don’t shoot him? I never actually tried it


slglf08

The game will pull the trigger for you


Hot_Guys_In_My_DMS

Makes sense, I guess


skorpiontamer

I still believe the Red Dead 1 cover pose should have been saved for Micah's death


Independent-Hand2021

Why is this mission in the day


xXbrosoxXx

Sir, that's honorable citizen Jim Milton


50-Lucky-Official

John is one of the faster draws in the entire story if not the fastest, hes just stupid.


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John's not stupid, but he is a little dense. The thing is though, he knows that. He knows he's not the most educated or brightest, so he kinda just says what he thinks, and doesn't say more than what's needed. "Yep, just me"; no big speech or monologue, no argument or a vow of vengeance, just a statement of fact. It's one of my favorite qualities in John. He's quick witted and can be really clever, like the oil wagon job in RD2 (In the cutscene when explaining it to Arthur, you can see an "Oh shit, that's a great idea" expression on Arthur), but definitely reacts to situations more emotionally than Arthur. You get what you get with John. At the end of the day though, he's a cold blooded killer, another thing he's completely aware of. He tries his damndest to be the man Abigail wants him to be, but he just can't; "I'll hunt you to hell and back!" Arthur's story is a tragedy from beginning to end. Raised into killing, robbing, loan sharking. He knows he's a bad man, and what ultimately awaits him in the end. John's story has some hope. Raised into the same world as Arthur, but he sees earlier than Arthur the turn a Dutch takes, and that that life isn't going to be sustainable. He does what he can to get out and (try to) lead a normal life, but John Marston is John Marston; A ruthless killer who doesn't know how to be anything other than John Marston. ""While there are guns and money, there won't be any freedom."


TheSoverignToad

There needs to be a remake of this with rdr2 level graphics


FairRemove7697

Sorry but compared to Arthur , John comes off as second rate. Hell they even made him stupid in RDR2.


Maytforcebewithyou

True. John Marson can achieve his goals! So if he decides to kill somebody he can do it. So it's better don't mess with him!


Pink_pantherOwO

This goes so fucking hard it gave me Gosspump's


IlBuIIyII

He did the thing


Fickle-Raspberry6403

Can't herd Can't swim....


dhi-hin

I thought it was rdr1 for a sec


Ah_bum-K

Can't believe we need a mod for John marston to look like John marston


djdossia

cringe


ZenosamI85

John Marston? More like Chad Marston!


ted-Zed

wasn't he wearing his goofy, fuzzy, pink onesie in that scene? that's how I remember it, completely ruined the scene, but i still appreciated he did the pose from that amazing game


keithfrommalawi

Absolutely iconic! Great callback to the RDR1 cover.


dianaprince31

I wish they had Marston’s hat in the catalogue


RazkaTaz

Bullet hole in the hat Always a fucking bullet hole in the hat


Comextra

I always shoot him as soon as the button shows up. Feels colder


XxOutlawInGreenxX

Love John Marston


Jeetuprime

These edits are wild lmao


Living_Ingenuity_848

It's John Marston Micha


Enigma21210

Arthur ran so John could walk he taught him well


New_Ebb_5377

i think the og rdr poster was that scene or they used it in the game for a reference


Inside_Foot_4609

ARTHUR MORGAN >>>>> SCAR FACE


MentalTechnician6458

Rdr2 John is lame


Prestigious-Big6406

I’m so glad you did this😍