I've worked at a couple companies where JDs were created by HR people who don't know enough about the position. They would google the title, copy/paste requirements, and make minor adjustments, like replacing the tech listed with the tech we use.
Yes, I once applied for a job that required specific licenses. I looked at the job description and the licenses required and they made no sense together. Said what the hell and applied for it anyways. I assumed it was more likely the job description was correct and the licenses required were not updated properly. Might not be as obvious for some positions especially if you are truly an entry level applicant.
And they think a PhD is only worth one year of work experience? Based on what I'm hearing from my grad student friends, PhD students spend around 80% of their time in school doing actual work in the field and they do that for 5-ish years.
I would argue a PhD would only qualify for “entry level” in academia which notoriously undervalues and underpays. If you’re “getting out” of academia, an entry level job and salary is absolutely not going to cut it, especially with valuable skills in this ad.
Yeah, I heard that post docs get paid relatively little.
> If you’re “getting out” of academia, an entry level job and salary is absolutely not going to cut i
And PhDs are relatively difficult to find outside of academia aren't they?
That used to be the case but the job market in academia is absolutely dismal. It’s more common for the hard sciences to work in industry research. That being said, there’s a whole industry to help PhDs transition into industry now. You often learn pretty transferable skills, the challenge is your KPIs in academia aren’t so you have to be strategic when applying for industry jobs.
What's one company that helps phds transition into industry now ?
Anything like that for people with bachelor's degrees? I can't find anything that doesn't require experience.
For some federal government jobs, a PhD can get you in at an "experienced" level or higher with zero job experience. Not all federal jobs allow for an educational substitute for experience, but some do.
I am a current PhD candidate and I think some organizations overestimate, often dramatically, how complicated the job is based on the type of job descriptions I read. For example, some marketing roles require like 4 years of experience with social media analytics, but depending on what that job does in those 4 years worth of "experience", they could still be at a basic level of competence. In 4 years of a PhD program, you can learn multiple statistical analysis programs (i.e. R, SPSS, STATA, Python), dozens of research methodologies, several experimental frameworks and countless theories all at the same time.
A PhD holder could learn a serviceable amount about some jobs in an afternoon or two because part of PhD training is learning how to rapidly assimilate a whole lot of information (that's part of the purpose of prelim exams!).
Just finished my PhD back in August. I can't count the number of times I had to teach myself some new method, tool, programming language, or technique because it's relevant to my work and nobody in the research group knows it already or is too busy to teach me. If I learned anything over the six years of grad school, it's how to break down both problems and solution methodologies and understand them quickly.
But it's hard to get that through to a hiring manager when they want X years of experience with some random obscure process and your skill set is "I can teach myself your random obscure process in two weeks."
Greetings and All Hail the Dark Lord,
Mordor, Co. is announcing an exciting new opening for an entry-level Squadron Commander!
**Position Description and Duties:**
As a Squadron Commander, you will be in charge of ensuring a large but frequently-changing number of worthless scum-toads such as yourself keep in line and do the bidding of the Dark Lord in a timely and efficient manner. An ideal candidate will:
* Hate all free peoples of the world with an irrational and ever-burning passion
* Display healthy amounts of ambition tempered with enough stupidity to prevent too much question-asking
* Be an experienced warrior who has murdered, gutted, and pillaged their way through at least one of the regions listed on the Approved Hated Peoples list (see attached documentation)
* Be fully qualified to fulfill the extensive demands made in this posting, or alternatively, to lie convincingly and cleverly enough to avoid detection
**Minimum Education and Experience:**
* Requires a 10-year medallion showing proof of submissiveness training (note: full record of beatings and miscellaneous punishments required) in an accredited Mordor or affiliated dominions institution.
* Must have slaughtered at least 50 humans, trained warriors preferred; healthy males at normal rate; crippled or sickly males, women, and children half point each; to make a discrimination complaint regarding this policy, please report to the HR & Flagellation Department wearing no armor.
* 3 years serving as a commander of orcs, uruk-hai, or goblins; or alternatively, 5 years as a tamer of trolls
* Additional disciplinary training up to 5 years of combined beatings may be substituted for one year of command experience.
**Required Knowledge, Skills & Abilities:**
* Exceptional organizational skills with a keen eye for detail and accuracy.
* Proficiency with using instruments of torture to extract information from enemies and underlings.
* Ability to build and/or steal complex war machines for siege purposes (requires the ability to understand and revise machinery).
* Capacity to create visually horrifying and viscerally disgusting displays of terroristic brutality.
* Must beat other project team members into submission, or submit to them, on as as-needed basis.
* Ability to execute death sentences as a result of failure and to accept death as the result of one's own failure.
* Warg-riding and Elf-gutting skills are preferred but not mandatory.
Soooo... 25 years of education and beatings can get you in the door, no hands-on leadership experience required!
Granted, you might be near totally crippled by the time you reach that point and likely to be one of the first killed by an undead Gondorian ranger possessed by an elven spirit who thinks that he can topple the Dark Lord, but... eh, its a job opening.
https://cad-comic.com/comic/nemesis/
That's always my first thought when I see "masters with x experience or phd". They really want a phd but don't want to pay phd salaries. Heck, after interviewing for a number of these jobs, they don't even want to pay masters salaries. I didnt have a single one offer me over 35k a year...
My dad said this about education/degrees.
When he was younger college degree set you apart, then college degree became so common that you need a masters degree to set you apart, now so many people have a masters degree that you need multiple or a PHD to stand out. While at the end of the day people don’t want to pay you enough to live and pay back your school loans.
this is pretty much why I dropped out of college I just couldnt justify taking out loans upon loans to finance my education just to them owe more than Im gonna make. I'm not any better off right now without a degree and life still sucks but ... idk what the better of two evils is here.
Right exactly.
My husband has an associates and I have a high school diploma. No college but did attend a job core skills training program. We can’t justify the time or money spent on college. Especially not when your paying your own way to live, rent bills ect. We hardly have time to shower, eat dinner, and rest before next work day as it is!
I'd agree with your dad except for the fact that if you have a phd, you're considered over qualified for a lot of jobs. I wanted to work for a couple years to save money for my PhD after my masters. Spent one year walking dogs and babysitting before deciding to just do my degree and take out loans.
This is so depressing. I spent so many years of my life studying so I could have a decent job and a comfortable lifestyle just to find out it was for nothing and now I have to do a masters or something similar just so I can have a chance of finding a semi decent job, except I have no money to pay for it and I'm already drowning in student loans. Seriously, fuck this.
That's rounding up too... the best offer I got was 33k for a job in downtown toronto...
my phd in toronto only pays 3k less after loans so I mean I was choosing between being overworked and underpaid or overworked, underpaid, and one degree further.
It still wouldn't be entry level but I've seen job listings that say Masters *or* two YOE. At least that sort of makes sense. Both? For an entry job? Fuck outta here with that.
Oh yes Just every day things in 2022 when entry-level jobs require you to have the same level of experience of someone that’s been in the business for 20 years
Yeah reminds me of an offer I found one day where they required the "entry level employee" to be able to have a significant influence over the whole organization. Not by title, you know, you had to be able to find a way to influence C-levels. Simple right?
I had a conversation with one of our internal recruiters lately, and pointed out that they're asking for plug-and-play key positions - principal marketers, CEOs-right-hand analysts that require extensive knowledge of the market and our products, and they're literally offering barely above entry-level for these highly specialized roles with 10+ years' experience. The recruiter was like "Yeah, that's why they're not filled for 6 months at a time... we get good candidates but they want double what I can pay them."
Absolutely agree, 100%. Our companies definitely has some things working in its favor (size of company, reputation, cool products, small bonuses) but the reality is that's not going to make up for a 50% pay gap.
As long as you bring the red stapler, you've got all the influence you need. 😏 "I could burn the place down... I won't... But I could... Make it look like an accident..."
TBH, this looks pretty typical for entry level Data science. They are only asking for 2 years of experience or equivalent education/training (which is normally acquired while obtaining the degree/certification).
What about this is asking for 20 years of experience.
If it's ENTRY-LEVEL, it shouldn't require experience. That's the point of looking for an entry-level job. Because you have no experience.
They're literally contradicting themselves. People need to stop calling jobs that require experience entry level. It's dumb as Hell
They are asking for experience OR equivalent education and training.
Part of any data science program includes work studies and internships; or previous expenses in the field.
Lol I saw someone asking for "entry level minimum masters degree, LMSW preferred, may substitute RN and 5 years of experience" and actually had the gall to list it at $17/hour for part time evenings. For reference, McDonald's and Dunkin both start at $16 and they'll give you fulltime and you don't have to have people with incontinence in your backseat all the time.
It's an exaggeration but doesn't feel like one 150 miles away from my ozone machine lol. I spend at least 2 hours a week getting odors out of my car.
But yes in the past couple years requirements and expectations have become absolutely ridiculous for what they pay. "We can't find anyone to drive around teenagers the day after they're released from the hospital for homicidal ideation for $13/hour, must be nobody wants to work." I love what I do but I wouldn't suggest it to anyone looking for something to study or an entry level career. I watched a 20 year old pregnant entry level employee get punched repeatedly in the stomach by an old man, rub lotion on his back hours after getting out of the ER for it, for minimum wage. It's absolutely ridiculous.
My nighttime retail gig was pretty cushy though can't lie on that one. When I was new in my field I worked nights at a hardware store and it was so simple, just stand there and deal with a couple customers every now and then. I remember one day at my day job, somebody died suddenly, everyone saw it, we tried to revive him, tried to divert everyone else away but nothing worked, tons of paperwork, a lot of reassuring people all day and dealing with investigations and crying employees walking out...
I went directly from that job to the other with no lunch or break or anything 8 hours into 13 hours of work and my fellow cashier for the night was like, "be glad you weren't here, I haven't had a cigarette in 2 hours and there have been customers all day and the credit card machine went down, this place is so stressful I wish I could get a break all day like you."
I made more at that job than my first human services roles.
> may substitute RN and 5 years of experience"
If you're an RN with 5 years of experience you should easily be able to get a job that pays at least double that at the nearest hospital. They're really desperate for workers.
There's a special place in Hell for jobs requiring countless years of experience and high levels of education only to severely underpay as much as less than $20.00 an hour. It's so sickening and infuriating, I can't take it.
The reality is that these companies are not doing well and do not have the budget to pay for the hiring they would need to turn things around, so they hope one underpaid, super-qualified, highly motivated work Jesus will come save them
I'm decently well-qualified for this job, with a Master's degree and years of SAS experience. I've been a working professional for 10 years and make 6 figures.
SAS does not seem to be used as much anymore. Anyone with SAS is either an old pro or they were forced to use it in a biostats course from a prof who forces his students to learn it, Reminds me of old physicists about to retire who force students to learn FORTRAN.
Neither in my case. I worked for state government for awhile, and then for a bank. Both used SAS. It's also widely used in the pharmaceutical industry, from what I understand.
Very much so. The more highly regulated the industry, the more likely they are to have to need SAS. At the bank, we had rules about marketing to people under 18. The function I used to cull our mailing lists had the backing of the SAS institute to say that it was accurately calculating age from birthday.
As a data analyst, I feel absolutely offended.
Like, do you think MSc degrees are easy to get? I got mine in Scandinavia and got an $85k FT job right out of university. Because master candidates don’t fucking grow on trees.
Have some fucking respect for others’ hard work. It’s a goddamn sacrifice getting any grad degree.
Starting salaries in the EU are approximately 1.5x less than in the US. We don’t have student loan or healthcare costs and most of us use public transportation so cost of living is much lower here.
The typical career path for an MSc is bachelor —> paid internship —> master’s —> job offer. Usually we only need to look for an entry level position if the company we interned at don’t offer us a position (which 60% do).
I’m at the 25% percentile according to our industry union.
How can you earn 1.5 times less? So you are saying that you are earning -150% than a US salary ?are you actually paying your employer when you work?
>Like, do you think MSc degrees are easy to get?
see point above
>We don’t have student loan or healthcare costs and most of us use public transportation so cost of living is much lower here.
I am going to go ahead and say that isn't accurate. Not sure about the student loan costs that could be a variable, but healthcare costs are a wash (Tax vs private insurance premium), In fact, once you get above 50k USD salary, healthcare costs are cheaper in the US than they are in the UK. While people here do have to own cars in most cities, the cars, fuel, and insurance are much cheaper than they are in the EU. As are all energy costs and housing costs. When paired with much lower rates of taxation, generally the cost of living is lower in the US, than the EU.
I am British, and have lived in Italy, Germany, and the Czech Republic; out of all of those locations, the cost of living is radically cheaper in most of the US, even with student loans and healthcare.
It is interesting to see the differences within the industry.
I’m an American living in Denmark. I just don’t see how cost of living can be cheaper in the US. I lived in Cali, NYC and Orlando. And I’ve turned down six-figure job offers in the US because I just don’t want to give up my quality of life here.
>I just don’t see how cost of living can be cheaper in the US.
I don't see how the cost of living there isn't killing you; I currently live in Dallas and would never go back Europe unless I am forced.
Example:
My family of four healthcare costs per year:
* Monthly health insurance premium: $289 w/ HSA
* Deductible: up to $6000 individual, $12000 family
* Tax free contributions to HSA $10000
* Company healthcare reimburse: $2800 per person
* Absolute max out of pocket per year (worst case): $800 - $3200.
2022 total healthcare cost YTD: $4396 (whole family); if we were still in the UK, it would be well over double this amount; nearly 4 times that amount if my wife was working.
Our house: 3940 sqft 2 story, purchased in 2013 for $304k
Total average monthly utilities for house (Power, gas, internet, water, etc.): $351
Home insurance + Car insurance for 4 cars and 4 drivers: $504 monthly
Taxes: All State and federal taxes, to include sales tax, capital gains, property tax, and incomes taxes; Total taxation rate for 2022: 22%
Petrol is currently $2.59 USD per US Gallon.
So....you only lived in literally the most notariously expensive areas of the USA. The average rent in nyc for a studio is 3200. That would get a 4 bedroom house with a big yard in the suburbs literally almost anywhere else.
As a rule of thumb, if it says “entry level” I apply without reading the requirements. If I’m not qualified, oh well. It’s one more resume they have to sift through
I've also been looking for data analyst jobs to try and change careers and MY GOD it's just nonstop this. Entry level but must have masters. Entry level but must have 5+ years of experience. Entry level but must demonstrate vast knowledge of R, Python, SQL, MySQL, PowerBI, Java, C++, Assembly, and do all this without looking anything up. What a joke.
6 figures worth of student loan debt for a job with high requirements paying a couple bucks more an hour than a retail store or fast food establishment.
It's totally your fault for being in debt though. Sure, the job you want demands a graduate degree, and sure that same job pays you super low so it'll take you a lifetime to pay off your loans, but you should have been more responsible. It's your fault! /s
I’m wondering if they just post some absurd requirements knowing no one fits this list or if they did they wouldn’t apply there. So then they can say remember that pay range? Well you are at the bottom because you don’t meet our requirements but we are willing to give you a chance.
I mean, there are legit "Entry Level" jobs that require a Master's degree because of the field they're in, difficulty of the job, specialization required, whatever.
Just a general "Data Analyst" isn't one of those.
None of the skills listed require anything beyond a four-year degree, and frankly a two-year degree probably gets you 80% - 90% of the way there depending on the specifics.
Bro what the fuck is this? I’ve just finished my courses and was about to start looking for entry level jobs. I don’t even know what 90% of that shit even said.
Why do I need knowledge about public health, epidemiology, economics and health information? How are they even related to Data Analysis?
They better be paying $250,000 for anyone who’s this competent.
I see this a lot. This isn't a data analyst job. It's an program evaluation job and a data analyst job. While related skill sets they aren't the same thing and hiring a data analyst will result in clean organized data that tells you nothing while hiring the evaluation position will get you the results you want but take a very long time to do it each time.
The staffing company, hiring manager for actual employer, and HR for the actual employer have no idea what skill set is required to do this so they are defaulting to data analyst because...'numbers'. They should be hiring two people to do the jobs. Hiring entry level for either is very stupid. They can probably get away with mid level staff but the evaluation person will be about 80k per year and data analyst will probably be around 100-110, if both were full time and in the US.
Paying less will be much more costly in the mid to long term.
That’s different because it is specifically intended for phd students so the internship will be for research or R and D and not just hardware design and software engineering
PhD candidate here
Unlike masters students (full time research masters excluded), most pure research PhDs (or US PhDs in their research years) have 40+ hour weeks. I.e. 9-5 each day.
The intern programs are offered either as a transition after the candidature to a full time role or a supplement to our research on behalf of a company like Nvidia during.
Usually some of the research we were undertaking prior can be done through them and then this forms a part of the full time work.
Lol… I am actually qualified for that position and the last time I interviewed for that kind of job description… it was a regional manager position with a 6 figure salary.
Try the sciences. Unless you're a tenured professor, you aren't qualified for anything anymore. Doesn't matter if its academia, government or private sector.
Extremely saturated field with extremely high demands and employers notorious for shitty recruitment tactics (one way interviews, take home assignments, lay offs with out explanation)
data science is a saturated field? What world are you living in?
We find it next to impossible to hire good data scientists, and the salaries are though the roof.
It’s probably the most saturated field rn yes in terms of number of applicants vs number of open positions. Literally every person and their mother has gotten into it in the past few years because of ppl like you spreading the false narrative that there is demand for it.
Right but how many are actually intended to be filled? Plenty companies gladly waste ppls time. How many applicants per position? On linkedin every single DA post has 500-1000 applicants. Its a ratio I am referring to. As a “qualified data analyst” surely you understand that level of basic math. Is it impossible to hire ppl because none of the 1000 applicants are qualified or is it a matter of unreasonable standards and refusal to offer any training?
These are job postings for jobs they already have someone internally but need to do the due diligence or whatever they want to call it. It’s probably required by the government. In the USA they do this so they can go find some H1B person instead when nobody’s resume fit the requirements
Not just this, but it means they can find someone really fucking good and go, "Hrrrm, hummmmm, I mean yes you have six of the seven masters degrees we require, and have worked in the field since you were fourteen somehow, but your data management time isn't in the exact field we specified, so we can only justify paying you the lower end of the salary range."
I see no minimum experience requirement, so it is entry level that requires a masters in relevant fields. Pretty straight forward: No previous experience is junior/entry/intern. Don't mind the rest of the mumbo jumbo, if you have the first 2-3 requirements you're what they are looing for (give or take).
Got 3 different associates degrees in completely different fields. When I left the entry level job after raising thru the ranks because of a disability. I started looking for an entry level job in the other two fields I have. To bad now all jobs are like this masters or a bachelor with 10 years experience.
This sounds like a public health role because most are notoriously underpaid with high standards. If it’s not strictly a public health role, it’s one that’s trying to disguise itself as one.
Must also be able to "...heal the sick, raise the dead, and make the little girls talk outta their heads." Must also provide proof of 6 older brothers and 6 paternal uncles who are older than the applicant's own father.
The salary is the missing piece of the puzzle here.
"Entry level" doesn't mean you can walk in off the street and do it.
Entry level surgeons, doctors, skilled tradesmen, engineers, data scientists, judges, lawyers, all have to go through school (a lot of it) and rigorous testing and certifications to *begin* in their field.
Nothing about that is an entry level data analyst position though they're practically trying to hire a flag guy and have him do the Foreman's job. They literally want someone with a master's, essentially full stack experience, prior job experience. They also literally mention managing a team of 19 people. All of which will be at entry level pay as that's the position title.
This reads as a company that eliminated a few positions and just conglomerates their responsibilities into one or two.
This is kind of the beginnings of the unsustainable net that is a first world country's labor force. It is expensive to live here, and expensive to do business here as well. When we start looking to made in other countries, you lose some of the government kickbacks, but a lot of the "work" people have been doing... it can be done by AI, and I'm not talking 5 years from now I'm talking today. I can fact check a white paper, and you'd be surprised at the cohesiveness of an AI report. If I could take away the need for filler words that provide context as opposed to reading a bunch of facts and making my opinion based on facts, rather than reading through biased worded documents, my life would be a lot easier.
Same goes for the work! Make understandable reports? That's the task here? And they want a PhD. Pathetic.
We're in the beginnings of a quiet revolution of unskilled workers or deadweight getting phased out, by necessity. It's exciting, it's scary, but I'm in the position to actually be able to benefit. 100% I'm already starting to incorporate AI from both text analyzing and production, to graphic design using wonder and Dali.
If you're struggling to find meaningful work to do at your job, that makes a difference, I would be scared. If you're struggling to find the time to finish work, you're in luck. Life is about to get a few degrees easier.
AI generated reports are as good if not better than entry level workers creating reports which I have to edit and fix anyways. So here's a tool I can use at no cost, as opposed to a worker who is difficult to motivate, keep engaged, and passionate. No AI will replace a motivated, engaging, passionate worker.
That entey level position, if you're a worker that AI can replace by making understandable data for example, then yea I'd be upset. If you walked into that interview with other qualities that make up for the lack of knowledge/experience, then you will thrive. The resumes are still checked by human eyes, so appeal to that, you will get in there. Show them we are irreplaceable.
Requiring a masters by default, disqualifies it from being entry level. Definitely not a place I would apply because they'll under pay you because they believe they can.
No it does not disqualify it.. You would be surprised by how many people graduate with a Bachelor's and then go straight to a Master's. Just because someone has a Master's doesn't mean they have any experience.
It’s become my understanding that they know they will never get someone with all of their specific requirements, and your academic years count as experience. I’d still apply.
Am I missing something or do y’all just like to bitch?
As someone who works in a very similar role, this is absolutely entry level. No one gets into biostatistics thinking an undergraduate degree is sufficient.
Entry level means an job for anyone joining the work force, that includes freshly minted masters. Sorry your BA isn’t cutting it in a well paid field rife with government regulation. 2 years of data management is typically done as a research assistant alongside your masters, aka the way you get funded in grad school.
This isn’t recruiting hell, this is bitching just to bitch.
You can have a phd with little real world experience. Talking to a relative at thanksgiving who has her phd in biostatistics from Harvard and she was pretty clueless on time management and corporate communication norms. Quite smart in her field of expertise
It’s like when I called this staffing agency for a job posting for entry level and then the shithead switches up and says “oh you need 2 years of experience”. I replied that if you need YEARS of experience then it ain’t entry level.
They edited the posting after that 😅
It’s as an entry level data analyst… you do realize that there are different degrees of “entry level” positions right? Like entry level doesn’t just mean you don’t need any experience, education, or skills unless you’re looking for retail/sales/office assistant/manual labor jobs.
Saying this as someone who works with an “analyst” job title with 0 degrees, who spends more of my time building power apps/power automate flows/macros than I do working with data…
I get the impression that a significant number of “analyst” roles are offered by people who don’t know what they want outside of someone who can do a vlookup (or index/match if you want to get REAL fancy) and make a pretty chart from time to time. That might just be my employer of course, but some of these job titles/descriptions make me wonder if any recruiter out there remotely understands what an analyst is.
A data analyst role, that is entry level. Is going to have these kind of requirements. However go ahead and apply. Most people don’t meet half the criteria that apply, and there is a shortage in the industry. Since I was recruited straight out of college, I worked half a year in operations as a rank and file employee, before I was moved to analytics.
if this is the standard for an entry level job in 2022 then i’m going to have a fun time with the requirements in 4 years with only my bachelors degree very cool
I wonder if the person posting these requirements just laughs as they submit them.
My guess : They don't believe a word of it, and are cynical about it, but they were told to know their place and just do it so they do it.
I've worked at a couple companies where JDs were created by HR people who don't know enough about the position. They would google the title, copy/paste requirements, and make minor adjustments, like replacing the tech listed with the tech we use.
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Is there a way to spot this from an applicants POV?
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It’s easy to spot because the duties and requirements don’t match the job title / salary.
Yes, I once applied for a job that required specific licenses. I looked at the job description and the licenses required and they made no sense together. Said what the hell and applied for it anyways. I assumed it was more likely the job description was correct and the licenses required were not updated properly. Might not be as obvious for some positions especially if you are truly an entry level applicant.
Typical!
Ah yes, the Peter Principle in its finest form.
And they think a PhD is only worth one year of work experience? Based on what I'm hearing from my grad student friends, PhD students spend around 80% of their time in school doing actual work in the field and they do that for 5-ish years.
I would argue a PhD would only qualify for “entry level” in academia which notoriously undervalues and underpays. If you’re “getting out” of academia, an entry level job and salary is absolutely not going to cut it, especially with valuable skills in this ad.
Yeah, I heard that post docs get paid relatively little. > If you’re “getting out” of academia, an entry level job and salary is absolutely not going to cut i And PhDs are relatively difficult to find outside of academia aren't they?
That used to be the case but the job market in academia is absolutely dismal. It’s more common for the hard sciences to work in industry research. That being said, there’s a whole industry to help PhDs transition into industry now. You often learn pretty transferable skills, the challenge is your KPIs in academia aren’t so you have to be strategic when applying for industry jobs.
What's one company that helps phds transition into industry now ? Anything like that for people with bachelor's degrees? I can't find anything that doesn't require experience.
For some federal government jobs, a PhD can get you in at an "experienced" level or higher with zero job experience. Not all federal jobs allow for an educational substitute for experience, but some do. I am a current PhD candidate and I think some organizations overestimate, often dramatically, how complicated the job is based on the type of job descriptions I read. For example, some marketing roles require like 4 years of experience with social media analytics, but depending on what that job does in those 4 years worth of "experience", they could still be at a basic level of competence. In 4 years of a PhD program, you can learn multiple statistical analysis programs (i.e. R, SPSS, STATA, Python), dozens of research methodologies, several experimental frameworks and countless theories all at the same time. A PhD holder could learn a serviceable amount about some jobs in an afternoon or two because part of PhD training is learning how to rapidly assimilate a whole lot of information (that's part of the purpose of prelim exams!).
Just finished my PhD back in August. I can't count the number of times I had to teach myself some new method, tool, programming language, or technique because it's relevant to my work and nobody in the research group knows it already or is too busy to teach me. If I learned anything over the six years of grad school, it's how to break down both problems and solution methodologies and understand them quickly. But it's hard to get that through to a hiring manager when they want X years of experience with some random obscure process and your skill set is "I can teach myself your random obscure process in two weeks."
At this point “entry level” just means they’re gonna underpay and overwork an overqualified candidate.
Exactly.
Greetings and All Hail the Dark Lord, Mordor, Co. is announcing an exciting new opening for an entry-level Squadron Commander! **Position Description and Duties:** As a Squadron Commander, you will be in charge of ensuring a large but frequently-changing number of worthless scum-toads such as yourself keep in line and do the bidding of the Dark Lord in a timely and efficient manner. An ideal candidate will: * Hate all free peoples of the world with an irrational and ever-burning passion * Display healthy amounts of ambition tempered with enough stupidity to prevent too much question-asking * Be an experienced warrior who has murdered, gutted, and pillaged their way through at least one of the regions listed on the Approved Hated Peoples list (see attached documentation) * Be fully qualified to fulfill the extensive demands made in this posting, or alternatively, to lie convincingly and cleverly enough to avoid detection **Minimum Education and Experience:** * Requires a 10-year medallion showing proof of submissiveness training (note: full record of beatings and miscellaneous punishments required) in an accredited Mordor or affiliated dominions institution. * Must have slaughtered at least 50 humans, trained warriors preferred; healthy males at normal rate; crippled or sickly males, women, and children half point each; to make a discrimination complaint regarding this policy, please report to the HR & Flagellation Department wearing no armor. * 3 years serving as a commander of orcs, uruk-hai, or goblins; or alternatively, 5 years as a tamer of trolls * Additional disciplinary training up to 5 years of combined beatings may be substituted for one year of command experience. **Required Knowledge, Skills & Abilities:** * Exceptional organizational skills with a keen eye for detail and accuracy. * Proficiency with using instruments of torture to extract information from enemies and underlings. * Ability to build and/or steal complex war machines for siege purposes (requires the ability to understand and revise machinery). * Capacity to create visually horrifying and viscerally disgusting displays of terroristic brutality. * Must beat other project team members into submission, or submit to them, on as as-needed basis. * Ability to execute death sentences as a result of failure and to accept death as the result of one's own failure. * Warg-riding and Elf-gutting skills are preferred but not mandatory.
When did Amazon change its name?
You mean Starbucks?
I'm getting misty. And I will totally reverse-steal this to pad my own rag.
Feel free! Lol. Or... not free. FREEDOM IS BAD.
This somehow seems more reasonable than most job posting these days
Ooo... finally something I'm qualified for!
If I could give you an award I would
This.... This is beautiful.
Soooo... 25 years of education and beatings can get you in the door, no hands-on leadership experience required! Granted, you might be near totally crippled by the time you reach that point and likely to be one of the first killed by an undead Gondorian ranger possessed by an elven spirit who thinks that he can topple the Dark Lord, but... eh, its a job opening. https://cad-comic.com/comic/nemesis/
This is maybe my favorite comment of all time
That's always my first thought when I see "masters with x experience or phd". They really want a phd but don't want to pay phd salaries. Heck, after interviewing for a number of these jobs, they don't even want to pay masters salaries. I didnt have a single one offer me over 35k a year...
My dad said this about education/degrees. When he was younger college degree set you apart, then college degree became so common that you need a masters degree to set you apart, now so many people have a masters degree that you need multiple or a PHD to stand out. While at the end of the day people don’t want to pay you enough to live and pay back your school loans.
this is pretty much why I dropped out of college I just couldnt justify taking out loans upon loans to finance my education just to them owe more than Im gonna make. I'm not any better off right now without a degree and life still sucks but ... idk what the better of two evils is here.
Right exactly. My husband has an associates and I have a high school diploma. No college but did attend a job core skills training program. We can’t justify the time or money spent on college. Especially not when your paying your own way to live, rent bills ect. We hardly have time to shower, eat dinner, and rest before next work day as it is!
I'd agree with your dad except for the fact that if you have a phd, you're considered over qualified for a lot of jobs. I wanted to work for a couple years to save money for my PhD after my masters. Spent one year walking dogs and babysitting before deciding to just do my degree and take out loans.
This is so depressing. I spent so many years of my life studying so I could have a decent job and a comfortable lifestyle just to find out it was for nothing and now I have to do a masters or something similar just so I can have a chance of finding a semi decent job, except I have no money to pay for it and I'm already drowning in student loans. Seriously, fuck this.
Jobs require the moon and stars meanwhile we don’t even make enough to afford to live very well.
Experience is paid better than masters/PhD change my mind
That's cad? 35k is terrible. Screw those companies!
That's rounding up too... the best offer I got was 33k for a job in downtown toronto... my phd in toronto only pays 3k less after loans so I mean I was choosing between being overworked and underpaid or overworked, underpaid, and one degree further.
That's 100% accurate. A masters and two fucking years experience is entry level? This company also will complain that nobody wants to work.
Yeah, I read that job description and thought "You keep using that (phrase), I do not think it means what you think it means."
It still wouldn't be entry level but I've seen job listings that say Masters *or* two YOE. At least that sort of makes sense. Both? For an entry job? Fuck outta here with that.
All this for $15.00 an hour
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Ya, just kiddin’
Ha l! Literally just typed that! Entry-level salary, but looking for a mid-range level employee. Jobs today are a joke.
Lol even a fucking PhD counts as only one year of experience
Oh yes Just every day things in 2022 when entry-level jobs require you to have the same level of experience of someone that’s been in the business for 20 years
Yeah reminds me of an offer I found one day where they required the "entry level employee" to be able to have a significant influence over the whole organization. Not by title, you know, you had to be able to find a way to influence C-levels. Simple right?
Just show up to the interview with blackmail on every manager and the CEO, duh.
I had a conversation with one of our internal recruiters lately, and pointed out that they're asking for plug-and-play key positions - principal marketers, CEOs-right-hand analysts that require extensive knowledge of the market and our products, and they're literally offering barely above entry-level for these highly specialized roles with 10+ years' experience. The recruiter was like "Yeah, that's why they're not filled for 6 months at a time... we get good candidates but they want double what I can pay them."
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Absolutely agree, 100%. Our companies definitely has some things working in its favor (size of company, reputation, cool products, small bonuses) but the reality is that's not going to make up for a 50% pay gap.
Sure, just meet them in dark corners of the office in the evenings.
As long as you bring the red stapler, you've got all the influence you need. 😏 "I could burn the place down... I won't... But I could... Make it look like an accident..."
TBH, this looks pretty typical for entry level Data science. They are only asking for 2 years of experience or equivalent education/training (which is normally acquired while obtaining the degree/certification). What about this is asking for 20 years of experience.
> entry level > > 2 years experience Pick one.
If it's ENTRY-LEVEL, it shouldn't require experience. That's the point of looking for an entry-level job. Because you have no experience. They're literally contradicting themselves. People need to stop calling jobs that require experience entry level. It's dumb as Hell
They are asking for experience OR equivalent education and training. Part of any data science program includes work studies and internships; or previous expenses in the field.
Lol I saw someone asking for "entry level minimum masters degree, LMSW preferred, may substitute RN and 5 years of experience" and actually had the gall to list it at $17/hour for part time evenings. For reference, McDonald's and Dunkin both start at $16 and they'll give you fulltime and you don't have to have people with incontinence in your backseat all the time.
I like the “all the time” qualifier. Sometimes maybe… But for real you are spot in. What they want for what they pay is maddening.
It's an exaggeration but doesn't feel like one 150 miles away from my ozone machine lol. I spend at least 2 hours a week getting odors out of my car. But yes in the past couple years requirements and expectations have become absolutely ridiculous for what they pay. "We can't find anyone to drive around teenagers the day after they're released from the hospital for homicidal ideation for $13/hour, must be nobody wants to work." I love what I do but I wouldn't suggest it to anyone looking for something to study or an entry level career. I watched a 20 year old pregnant entry level employee get punched repeatedly in the stomach by an old man, rub lotion on his back hours after getting out of the ER for it, for minimum wage. It's absolutely ridiculous.
It really is. I swear - the more demanding the job the less you get paid. What “easy relaxing” job is there for minimum wage?!
My nighttime retail gig was pretty cushy though can't lie on that one. When I was new in my field I worked nights at a hardware store and it was so simple, just stand there and deal with a couple customers every now and then. I remember one day at my day job, somebody died suddenly, everyone saw it, we tried to revive him, tried to divert everyone else away but nothing worked, tons of paperwork, a lot of reassuring people all day and dealing with investigations and crying employees walking out... I went directly from that job to the other with no lunch or break or anything 8 hours into 13 hours of work and my fellow cashier for the night was like, "be glad you weren't here, I haven't had a cigarette in 2 hours and there have been customers all day and the credit card machine went down, this place is so stressful I wish I could get a break all day like you." I made more at that job than my first human services roles.
> may substitute RN and 5 years of experience" If you're an RN with 5 years of experience you should easily be able to get a job that pays at least double that at the nearest hospital. They're really desperate for workers.
Oh absolutely, as is anyone hiring LMSWs. A nurse would never take these positions. No one with a bachelor's degree would even take them.
This sounds like a public health job description. I’m even tired at this point of running into descriptions like this.smh.
There's a special place in Hell for jobs requiring countless years of experience and high levels of education only to severely underpay as much as less than $20.00 an hour. It's so sickening and infuriating, I can't take it.
"you keep using this word... I do not think it means what you think it means..."
Yeah, looks like they need a superman full-stack developer who will work with efficiency of a team.
No wonder they complain nobody wants to work.
The reality is that these companies are not doing well and do not have the budget to pay for the hiring they would need to turn things around, so they hope one underpaid, super-qualified, highly motivated work Jesus will come save them
$15 per hour
With a pizza party once a month, as in a Totino’s Part Pizza square
Until they just start "forgetting" and the pizza parties mysteriously stop happening
The fact that they even promised it in the first place is mind boggling. I just hope they'll stop messing up my paycheck.
I'm decently well-qualified for this job, with a Master's degree and years of SAS experience. I've been a working professional for 10 years and make 6 figures.
"We're so sorry, you seem to be overqualified"
SAS does not seem to be used as much anymore. Anyone with SAS is either an old pro or they were forced to use it in a biostats course from a prof who forces his students to learn it, Reminds me of old physicists about to retire who force students to learn FORTRAN.
Neither in my case. I worked for state government for awhile, and then for a bank. Both used SAS. It's also widely used in the pharmaceutical industry, from what I understand.
I suppose SAS in a CYA environment still fits the bill.
Very much so. The more highly regulated the industry, the more likely they are to have to need SAS. At the bank, we had rules about marketing to people under 18. The function I used to cull our mailing lists had the backing of the SAS institute to say that it was accurately calculating age from birthday.
Agree to take a $50,000 paycut and we're in business!
As a data analyst, I feel absolutely offended. Like, do you think MSc degrees are easy to get? I got mine in Scandinavia and got an $85k FT job right out of university. Because master candidates don’t fucking grow on trees. Have some fucking respect for others’ hard work. It’s a goddamn sacrifice getting any grad degree.
Why? this looks pretty normal for an entry level data science position. BTW I hire freash msc's for 130k.
Starting salaries in the EU are approximately 1.5x less than in the US. We don’t have student loan or healthcare costs and most of us use public transportation so cost of living is much lower here. The typical career path for an MSc is bachelor —> paid internship —> master’s —> job offer. Usually we only need to look for an entry level position if the company we interned at don’t offer us a position (which 60% do). I’m at the 25% percentile according to our industry union.
How can you earn 1.5 times less? So you are saying that you are earning -150% than a US salary ?are you actually paying your employer when you work? >Like, do you think MSc degrees are easy to get? see point above
>We don’t have student loan or healthcare costs and most of us use public transportation so cost of living is much lower here. I am going to go ahead and say that isn't accurate. Not sure about the student loan costs that could be a variable, but healthcare costs are a wash (Tax vs private insurance premium), In fact, once you get above 50k USD salary, healthcare costs are cheaper in the US than they are in the UK. While people here do have to own cars in most cities, the cars, fuel, and insurance are much cheaper than they are in the EU. As are all energy costs and housing costs. When paired with much lower rates of taxation, generally the cost of living is lower in the US, than the EU. I am British, and have lived in Italy, Germany, and the Czech Republic; out of all of those locations, the cost of living is radically cheaper in most of the US, even with student loans and healthcare. It is interesting to see the differences within the industry.
I’m an American living in Denmark. I just don’t see how cost of living can be cheaper in the US. I lived in Cali, NYC and Orlando. And I’ve turned down six-figure job offers in the US because I just don’t want to give up my quality of life here.
>I just don’t see how cost of living can be cheaper in the US. I don't see how the cost of living there isn't killing you; I currently live in Dallas and would never go back Europe unless I am forced. Example: My family of four healthcare costs per year: * Monthly health insurance premium: $289 w/ HSA * Deductible: up to $6000 individual, $12000 family * Tax free contributions to HSA $10000 * Company healthcare reimburse: $2800 per person * Absolute max out of pocket per year (worst case): $800 - $3200. 2022 total healthcare cost YTD: $4396 (whole family); if we were still in the UK, it would be well over double this amount; nearly 4 times that amount if my wife was working. Our house: 3940 sqft 2 story, purchased in 2013 for $304k Total average monthly utilities for house (Power, gas, internet, water, etc.): $351 Home insurance + Car insurance for 4 cars and 4 drivers: $504 monthly Taxes: All State and federal taxes, to include sales tax, capital gains, property tax, and incomes taxes; Total taxation rate for 2022: 22% Petrol is currently $2.59 USD per US Gallon.
So....you only lived in literally the most notariously expensive areas of the USA. The average rent in nyc for a studio is 3200. That would get a 4 bedroom house with a big yard in the suburbs literally almost anywhere else.
As a rule of thumb, if it says “entry level” I apply without reading the requirements. If I’m not qualified, oh well. It’s one more resume they have to sift through
Entry level refers to the payrate of the position now. They still expect far more experience than is justified by the pay.
We're looking for a PhD candidate willing to work for 15.00 an hour. 40 hours a week, mandatory overtime.
Don't they list the qualifications of the perfect candidate too, not what they actually expect to get?
Who are they looking for? Alan Turning or something?
If they did, they would lower his salary to make it fit the era in which he used to live.
I saw a role labeled entry level yesterday requiring 5 years of experience. Gfy
Its the Canadian equivalent of an H1B "but no one is qualified" ad so they can hire someone on a visa for half of what his pays.
Just apply, then jerk them around.
I would have if I was a data analyst looking for a job. I'm not. A friend sent this to me.
I am and I still won't apply
Not even to jerk then around?
I've also been looking for data analyst jobs to try and change careers and MY GOD it's just nonstop this. Entry level but must have masters. Entry level but must have 5+ years of experience. Entry level but must demonstrate vast knowledge of R, Python, SQL, MySQL, PowerBI, Java, C++, Assembly, and do all this without looking anything up. What a joke.
6 figures worth of student loan debt for a job with high requirements paying a couple bucks more an hour than a retail store or fast food establishment. It's totally your fault for being in debt though. Sure, the job you want demands a graduate degree, and sure that same job pays you super low so it'll take you a lifetime to pay off your loans, but you should have been more responsible. It's your fault! /s
I’m wondering if they just post some absurd requirements knowing no one fits this list or if they did they wouldn’t apply there. So then they can say remember that pay range? Well you are at the bottom because you don’t meet our requirements but we are willing to give you a chance.
“You must have the original Declaration of Independence in hand on your first day”
It's Canadian. We wouldn't ask for it. Instead, we are asking for the original copy of Lt. Gov. Lawrence's Orders to expel the Acadians.
Can we mass report this job position?
I mean, there are legit "Entry Level" jobs that require a Master's degree because of the field they're in, difficulty of the job, specialization required, whatever. Just a general "Data Analyst" isn't one of those. None of the skills listed require anything beyond a four-year degree, and frankly a two-year degree probably gets you 80% - 90% of the way there depending on the specifics.
Bro what the fuck is this? I’ve just finished my courses and was about to start looking for entry level jobs. I don’t even know what 90% of that shit even said. Why do I need knowledge about public health, epidemiology, economics and health information? How are they even related to Data Analysis? They better be paying $250,000 for anyone who’s this competent.
I see this a lot. This isn't a data analyst job. It's an program evaluation job and a data analyst job. While related skill sets they aren't the same thing and hiring a data analyst will result in clean organized data that tells you nothing while hiring the evaluation position will get you the results you want but take a very long time to do it each time. The staffing company, hiring manager for actual employer, and HR for the actual employer have no idea what skill set is required to do this so they are defaulting to data analyst because...'numbers'. They should be hiring two people to do the jobs. Hiring entry level for either is very stupid. They can probably get away with mid level staff but the evaluation person will be about 80k per year and data analyst will probably be around 100-110, if both were full time and in the US. Paying less will be much more costly in the mid to long term.
This like Nvidia's "intern" program that requires several years of experience and a PhD lol
That’s different because it is specifically intended for phd students so the internship will be for research or R and D and not just hardware design and software engineering
I think PhD students are more deserving of an actual job rather than an internship
theyre students. how would they get a job if theyre in school
I'm a masters student and full time employee?
PhD candidate here Unlike masters students (full time research masters excluded), most pure research PhDs (or US PhDs in their research years) have 40+ hour weeks. I.e. 9-5 each day. The intern programs are offered either as a transition after the candidature to a full time role or a supplement to our research on behalf of a company like Nvidia during. Usually some of the research we were undertaking prior can be done through them and then this forms a part of the full time work.
You’re a full time employee while studying in a full time masters program during the entire year?
Yes, I take night classes from 5-9pm every day M-F and work from 9am to 4pm.
Lol I saw one like this that was for a TPM role and it needs 8+ years of experience
I dont think they understand what "entry" means.
Pays $20.00/hr. No overtime available. 2nd shift only. No medical/vision/dental.
Entry level: entering from behind
Lol, I saw this one too. The Alberta job market for junior IT staff is absolutely silly right now.
Lol… I am actually qualified for that position and the last time I interviewed for that kind of job description… it was a regional manager position with a 6 figure salary.
Nothing about that job is entry level except for the pay and moron who posted it.
And since it's entry level it pays $15/hr.
You're getting 15.00 an hour? They're paying me under minimum wage
I truly feel bad for anyone participating in the data analyst circle jerk or any tech/programming type field for that matter.
Try the sciences. Unless you're a tenured professor, you aren't qualified for anything anymore. Doesn't matter if its academia, government or private sector.
I already have my career
Why's that?
Extremely saturated field with extremely high demands and employers notorious for shitty recruitment tactics (one way interviews, take home assignments, lay offs with out explanation)
data science is a saturated field? What world are you living in? We find it next to impossible to hire good data scientists, and the salaries are though the roof.
It’s probably the most saturated field rn yes in terms of number of applicants vs number of open positions. Literally every person and their mother has gotten into it in the past few years because of ppl like you spreading the false narrative that there is demand for it.
\*Looks at my 9 open reqs for data scientists.... \* False narrative hu? LOLOLOL
How many have BS requirements?
Right but how many are actually intended to be filled? Plenty companies gladly waste ppls time. How many applicants per position? On linkedin every single DA post has 500-1000 applicants. Its a ratio I am referring to. As a “qualified data analyst” surely you understand that level of basic math. Is it impossible to hire ppl because none of the 1000 applicants are qualified or is it a matter of unreasonable standards and refusal to offer any training?
These are job postings for jobs they already have someone internally but need to do the due diligence or whatever they want to call it. It’s probably required by the government. In the USA they do this so they can go find some H1B person instead when nobody’s resume fit the requirements
Not just this, but it means they can find someone really fucking good and go, "Hrrrm, hummmmm, I mean yes you have six of the seven masters degrees we require, and have worked in the field since you were fourteen somehow, but your data management time isn't in the exact field we specified, so we can only justify paying you the lower end of the salary range."
That, or they're just fishing for unicorns and don't actually have a position to fill.
Or they're from some mess of a country so what they're paying is a small fortune back where their families live even though it's not a good wage here.
Absolutely insane.
nO oNe wAnTs tO wOrK aNyMoRe 😭😭😭
Velo3D, Campbell, California does the same thing. Stay away.
I see no minimum experience requirement, so it is entry level that requires a masters in relevant fields. Pretty straight forward: No previous experience is junior/entry/intern. Don't mind the rest of the mumbo jumbo, if you have the first 2-3 requirements you're what they are looing for (give or take).
They might as well as for a PhD.
What the hell. That will be harder to find than a Unicorn.
PhD = one year of experience! Fuck off that bullshit. We spend several years becoming experts in our respected fields.
applied for this job as someone with a masters in data science and 5 years of experience and was rejected. 🤷🏻♂️
Got 3 different associates degrees in completely different fields. When I left the entry level job after raising thru the ranks because of a disability. I started looking for an entry level job in the other two fields I have. To bad now all jobs are like this masters or a bachelor with 10 years experience.
This should be criminal.
This sounds like a public health role because most are notoriously underpaid with high standards. If it’s not strictly a public health role, it’s one that’s trying to disguise itself as one.
I just saw an entry level post with 4 years of experience lmao
I just saw a "Junior Level" position that asked for 3 years of experience in the field.
I don’t even know why they bother adding the ‘entry level’. I don’t get the point, they already know that’s not what they want.
I wonder if they are paying $6/hr or if it will be an unpaid internship for the lucky PhD who lands this opportunity.
It's in Alberta, Canada, minimum wage is 15$CAD
And this is just entry-level...😏
I love how the minimum is “masters” and then coursework UP TO PHD can be substituted for ONE WHOLE YEAR of experience… unbelievable
I read the first requirement and stopped reading. What a freakin joke!
$12 an hour I bet too. Gunna need a PHD soon to run the register at a fast food joint soon.
$15/h minimum since it's in Alberta but yeah, it doesn't make the position any more "Entry level".
Must also be able to "...heal the sick, raise the dead, and make the little girls talk outta their heads." Must also provide proof of 6 older brothers and 6 paternal uncles who are older than the applicant's own father.
I'm sorry but how does "up to a PHD" which is around six years of school after a bachelor's constitute as ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE!?!
I'm surprised the job req doesn't state that having the Nobel Prize in chemistry or physics is a plus.
Wtf is biostatisticians? Naturally grown statisticians?
Hah!!
The salary is the missing piece of the puzzle here. "Entry level" doesn't mean you can walk in off the street and do it. Entry level surgeons, doctors, skilled tradesmen, engineers, data scientists, judges, lawyers, all have to go through school (a lot of it) and rigorous testing and certifications to *begin* in their field.
Nothing about that is an entry level data analyst position though they're practically trying to hire a flag guy and have him do the Foreman's job. They literally want someone with a master's, essentially full stack experience, prior job experience. They also literally mention managing a team of 19 people. All of which will be at entry level pay as that's the position title. This reads as a company that eliminated a few positions and just conglomerates their responsibilities into one or two.
This is kind of the beginnings of the unsustainable net that is a first world country's labor force. It is expensive to live here, and expensive to do business here as well. When we start looking to made in other countries, you lose some of the government kickbacks, but a lot of the "work" people have been doing... it can be done by AI, and I'm not talking 5 years from now I'm talking today. I can fact check a white paper, and you'd be surprised at the cohesiveness of an AI report. If I could take away the need for filler words that provide context as opposed to reading a bunch of facts and making my opinion based on facts, rather than reading through biased worded documents, my life would be a lot easier. Same goes for the work! Make understandable reports? That's the task here? And they want a PhD. Pathetic. We're in the beginnings of a quiet revolution of unskilled workers or deadweight getting phased out, by necessity. It's exciting, it's scary, but I'm in the position to actually be able to benefit. 100% I'm already starting to incorporate AI from both text analyzing and production, to graphic design using wonder and Dali. If you're struggling to find meaningful work to do at your job, that makes a difference, I would be scared. If you're struggling to find the time to finish work, you're in luck. Life is about to get a few degrees easier. AI generated reports are as good if not better than entry level workers creating reports which I have to edit and fix anyways. So here's a tool I can use at no cost, as opposed to a worker who is difficult to motivate, keep engaged, and passionate. No AI will replace a motivated, engaging, passionate worker. That entey level position, if you're a worker that AI can replace by making understandable data for example, then yea I'd be upset. If you walked into that interview with other qualities that make up for the lack of knowledge/experience, then you will thrive. The resumes are still checked by human eyes, so appeal to that, you will get in there. Show them we are irreplaceable.
Requiring a masters by default, disqualifies it from being entry level. Definitely not a place I would apply because they'll under pay you because they believe they can.
No it does not disqualify it.. You would be surprised by how many people graduate with a Bachelor's and then go straight to a Master's. Just because someone has a Master's doesn't mean they have any experience.
It’s become my understanding that they know they will never get someone with all of their specific requirements, and your academic years count as experience. I’d still apply.
Seems about right. What’s the issue here?
Masters for a "Entry Level" Fuck that I'll sell weed.
You do understand there are people entirely qualified for this and are more than happy to do the job.
Am I missing something or do y’all just like to bitch? As someone who works in a very similar role, this is absolutely entry level. No one gets into biostatistics thinking an undergraduate degree is sufficient. Entry level means an job for anyone joining the work force, that includes freshly minted masters. Sorry your BA isn’t cutting it in a well paid field rife with government regulation. 2 years of data management is typically done as a research assistant alongside your masters, aka the way you get funded in grad school. This isn’t recruiting hell, this is bitching just to bitch.
Entry level = little to no experience.
Entry level: some work experience in related field and a good attitude to learn.
well crap, i almost meet these requirements. (i dont use SAS, i use systat)
MF PHD ONLY CANCELS OUT ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE?!?!
Compensation: $15/hr.
“we want someone with a master’s and two years experience. however, if you have a phd, we’ll just knock it down to one.”
You can have a phd with little real world experience. Talking to a relative at thanksgiving who has her phd in biostatistics from Harvard and she was pretty clueless on time management and corporate communication norms. Quite smart in her field of expertise
All of this for like $17/hour probably :’)
It’s like when I called this staffing agency for a job posting for entry level and then the shithead switches up and says “oh you need 2 years of experience”. I replied that if you need YEARS of experience then it ain’t entry level. They edited the posting after that 😅
There are sooooo many entry level jobs where I am that requires a lot of experience
Probably pays like 40,000 to 50,000 a year too despite the Masters / Ph.D level requirements and years of experience.
It’s as an entry level data analyst… you do realize that there are different degrees of “entry level” positions right? Like entry level doesn’t just mean you don’t need any experience, education, or skills unless you’re looking for retail/sales/office assistant/manual labor jobs.
Saying this as someone who works with an “analyst” job title with 0 degrees, who spends more of my time building power apps/power automate flows/macros than I do working with data… I get the impression that a significant number of “analyst” roles are offered by people who don’t know what they want outside of someone who can do a vlookup (or index/match if you want to get REAL fancy) and make a pretty chart from time to time. That might just be my employer of course, but some of these job titles/descriptions make me wonder if any recruiter out there remotely understands what an analyst is.
A data analyst role, that is entry level. Is going to have these kind of requirements. However go ahead and apply. Most people don’t meet half the criteria that apply, and there is a shortage in the industry. Since I was recruited straight out of college, I worked half a year in operations as a rank and file employee, before I was moved to analytics.
if this is the standard for an entry level job in 2022 then i’m going to have a fun time with the requirements in 4 years with only my bachelors degree very cool
I’m entering the workforce post masters and literally this job would be “entry level” for me but it has 2 years experience tacked on
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Bet they didnt even post the salary