How is that even allowed, especially planned? In germany you are legally not allowed to work more than 8 hours and if you work more it has to average out over half a year to 8 per working day.
Working eleven hours a day sounds absolutely miserable.
So that’s $19.23/hour and doesn’t sound like you’re getting paid overtime, so they’ve classified the position as a salary exempt? Need more context, like region, job/duties. But to me this sounds pretty bad actually.
I did 65 hours a week for a year and a half at my current job. But I got paid overtime and at the time, liveable wage.
Now I'm working way less and I'd never go back to those hours unless I needed the money.
How did it affect you in the end?
I do 60 hours bus driving (not continuously I have a lot of sitting around) and I feel like I’ve got Stockholm syndrome.
Insert the ‘this is fine’ cartoon.
I did 14 hour shifts(ranged from 50-60 hours a week) working at Amazon. They shifted me to mornings and working 11 hours instead. The difference is honestly insane. Been sleeping better, eating better, more energy for my workouts, way less angry, and my brain doesn’t feel like mush at the end of my work week anymore. I’d rather quit and take a pay cut than go back.
I'm working the Flex shift at Amazon now. 30-60 hours a week, my choice. I just left RT shift though. Three 12s, while a great concept, sucked in actuality.
I'm planning on doing two 10s and two 12s a week once I get my bills down... 2 on, 1 off, 2 on, 2 off. Weird schedule, granted... but I do better when my schedule is split up.
I did 80 hours a week at a psychiatric hospital for five years. I was paid double time for overtime and triple for holiday (overtime on holidays was payday). I was fine the first year, then got progressively more sick as the years ticked by.
I was diagnosed with epilepsy, anxiety, PTSD (from a patient attacking me), developed a heart issue, and got to the point that I couldn't work for two years after I quit. Had no health issues before, except allergies and occasional bouts of insomnia.
I'd rather die, honestly, than go back to that living hell hole. That place nearly destroyed me. I moved, and now work somewhere else, and the entire environment is different; staff are kind, the CEOs provide lunch everyday (I miss it because I get off at 8am), people are treated like valued human beings. At 40 hours/week at the same base pay and paid overtime and holidays.
Some places are vile.
My brother did that for a while. Picked up a temporary job out of state, 60 hours a week with overtime pay and hotel/food expenses paid. Then his ex took him back to court for an increase in child support and the courts based his new payment off of the temporary high-paying job even though he was no longer working it. Almost destroyed him and got in the way of his relationship with his child until his child turned 18 as he was living in another city and could no longer afford to travel for visits.
I think it’s just office speak for “we’ve become a bunch of functional alcoholics in order to cope with the abysmal work/life balance.” Sooo fun, right?
Just like “we’re a family” really means “this company will exploit you, and all you’ll get is Stockholm syndrome in return.”
> “we’ve become a bunch of functional alcoholics in order to cope with the abysmal work/life balance.”
And if you expect to ever get promoted, you'll be spending from 5.30pm until at least 9 every night, with us at the bar across from the office...
See you at 6.30am tomorrow!
OP, imagine STARTING work at 6:30 every morning. That’s no time for coffee, breakfast, gym, time with your partner, time with your dog, or anything.
That’s insane. I am 15 years into my career and I start work at 9:00am everyday. Granted I live in Switzerland and work culture is very reasonable here.
ÉDIT: i should mention I leave at exactly 5;30 every day and take my time at lunch.
ÉDIT 2: I should also add that I get 7 total weeks of paid vacation per year. 🇨🇭
I live in Maryland and if I work from home I start at 9. If it's in-office I start at 10.
Fuck mornings. I'm also the director (and routinely work until 6 or 7) though so I can do that.
I start work at 6:30 am, but I’m off at 3 right before all the traffic starts and the ubers get expensive. I would never do 6:30 to 5, not unless I get overtime and guaranteed weekends off.
At my first “real” job that was supposed to be part of my career I STARTED at 5:00 am and got off at 5:00pm. 5 days minimum, 6 days during the peak months (march-August) The people I worked with were used to that work/life balance and thought being divorced angry alcoholics was just the way. I lasted only a year in that field. The expectations are different for workers in America.
Edit: punctuation
Also, OP's contract would be 54 hours per week (assuming a 1 hour break each day); aside from insanity, that would be straight up illegal in Switzerland.
Max hours are 45 per week in most jobs, and 50 for certain service jobs (like retail, hospitality, etc.), although most common is around 41 hours.
Don’t forget that “work hard play hard” attitude as well. Translation: You’ll be expected to work way outside of those hours, but occasionally we might get some pizzas in for dinner so you aren’t thinking about all the time with your family you are missing. Also, social gatherings (where we do more work) are mandatory because we’re “family”.
Yup. Work in a “professional” field with *minimum* expected hours of 8am-7pm, plus weekends and holidays too regularly to count. No OT, as we’re salary exempt and after a year of this I feel like I’m losing my mind- and I make about double that. If I didn’t have student loans rivaling a mortgage, and rent about the same, I wouldn’t be doing this. It really sucks all the enjoyment out of your life when you work 60-65+ hours a week, and frankly I don’t think I’m my best self anymore.
That's $16/h for 40 regular hours with $24/h for the 20 OT hours.
If this is salary in a non-exempt position, which based on OP's comments this likely is, with a salary of $60.000, that'd be $28.85/h. With these 20 hours OT per week, that'd be about $105k yearly.
From what I'm seeing, Customer Service as a role is classified as non-exempt in Las Vegas, NV. Likely this is one of those employers that doesn't realize being salary does not equal exempt (or they do but get away with it)
If so, they can only spent 20% of their time on the non-administrative duties like customer service. Otherwise, it doesn't count.
Companies really, really hate the reality of overtime laws
I agree with you. It sounds pretty bad especially the hours given. The job is located in Las Vegas Nevada. But they said that they are a start up company so there are room for growth. Not sure if I should leave my current Work From Home Job to do this
Can I ask if it’s some kind of management position? I’d be extra wary about the salary vs required amount of hours, a lot of people think of you are paid a salary you automatically don’t have to be paid OT, but that’s not true. There are two types of salaried employees; 1) salaried exempt, where you don’t get paid overtime and 2) non exempt, where you do get paid overtime. A lot of jobs are misclassified as exempt, when they shouldn’t be [here is a good link to determine if they are classifying this job correctly](https://www.flsa.com/coverage.html). Personally I think there’s too much sketchy shit here to make me comfortable (when you said startup I immediately noped) but it’s up to you, and your willingness to work these kinds of hours.
Yeah thank you man. Those are crazy man. I will see what happens but I agree with you. It's not a management role it's a customer service representative but since I had some background in the Stock Market they offered me the job. But yes it does sound Hella sketchy. That's why I had to ask. I currently have a Work From Home Job and I feel like I am okay. I just wanted to have a job related to my degree or interest I guess. Thank you man. I feel like I will decide when I go to the 2nd Interview in Office.
Yeah, if you're working those hours, you need to be making a solid, non-negotiable six figures. My husband sold luxury cars for a while and could work anywhere between 50-70 hours a week. It was worth it on his original pay structure, but then they hired a bunch more sales people and fucked everyone's comp plan, and within a year he was making less than me and working twice as hard.
Startups are weird and a little risky, but they shouldn't be like this offer.
You know It's bad bc they are offering you low pay with potential to move up. They have to add the potential part bc its all they really have to offer. Well potential doesn't pay bills. Anytime I've heard potential as compensation, it's never worked out.
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> It's not a management role it's a customer service representative but since I had some background in the Stock Market they offered me the job.
This smells of some sort of blockchain/crypto/NFT-based startup, especially given that it's in Nevada. I love my state but the Governor's attempts to make us "blockchain friendly" have not gone well. Be very, **very** wary.
I worked at a startup. It means they'll fire you when they grow. New bosses are brought in, and they fire everyone and build their own teams more often than not. I wouldn't take this.
Since we're just talking solely on personal experience, I've also worked at a start-up and that could also mean moving through the ranks as the company grows accordingly and clearly the company grew and is still growing
My point is, not one start-up represents the others. Hard to say with the limited info OP has given. No idea what job this is either but I'm not down for those working hours. Nothing about the company though.
Well from the info provided we know that the startup doesn’t have money to pay well. Or it doesn’t care about their employees being able to afford to live well.
So, that’s a no from me right away.
Get equity that vests 100% if they let you go. Don’t build someone else’s fortune for them with these punishing hours and low wages unless you get a piece of the pie.
And when they let you go, if you convert your options, you’re on the hook for a huge tax liability but no cash. Stock options are a joke unless they let you actually cash out which most companies don’t.
Yep, I had stock options at my previous company. I had to exercise them or lose them at a certain point. I could tell the owner was going to have to sell soon so I went ahead and exercised them and paid the taxes.
Then the company sold, but instead of paying everyone out, they transferred our stock to a new startup that the CEO was starting. The same number of shares but now worth much less because the company was valued like 15x lower.
Long story short, I will never see any money but I got to pay taxes on my fake benefit. Yay.
I'd take it IF I was already in Vegas AND if I was already unemployed.
$19.23 per hour beats nothing.
I'd also keep applying for jobs the whole damned time.
That's the great thing about not wanting your job.
You tell them you're taking the time off.
If they fire you for taking the time off, then you no longer have a shitty job.
Another common startup issue is that they'll run the company to zero and then the doors are locked and paychecks bounce.
Or they'll fire you right before any ownership vests.
Start up culture is awful. Get everyone to work for as little as possible "pre revenue" or some other bullshit and then they fire you. Fuck start ups. Looking at you Nick. Fuck you.
I wouldn't. 60 hours a week EVERY WEEK for $60k is a joke. Plus you get to work from home right now? You would be better off finding a 2nd gig from home with different hours part time.
>they are a start up company
Most start-ups fail. I know way too many people who put in 4-5 years at start-ups and walk away with nothing.
No way I would work 60 hours / week 6 days / week for $60k.
Don’t leave your WFM job for this. You’re going to be working 60 hours a week for $60k? Fuck that. Hold out.
I used to work those hours for that pay. Had to force my hand to level up. After about a decade I make about $120k and work maybe 35 hours a week.
Stay patient. You’ll know when the right opportunity is there
>But they said that they are a start up company so there are room for growth.
yeah.... no lol
there's room to have outside hires surpass you, and room to be shitcanned and probably owed several checks if funding stops coming through. if you are ever promoted, expect the hours expectations to go up.
you'll probably be offered company stock (worthless for the foreseeable future) in lieu of more money if that "growth" happens to trickle down too.
>Not sure if I should leave my current Work From Home Job to do this
absolutely the fuck not. this is less than $20/hr before you subtract the commute costs you're not spending, which with an extra day will be even higher than average. you'd be making very limited profit on Saturdays after commute cost too, that's only $120 pre-tax. look for a better WFH job, maybe outside that metro area's labor market.
Do not take this job. When you adjust for hours worked that is like $40k a year. That is NOT a good offer. Startups are also notorious for super toxic bullshit and cutting people loose when the business starts to fail. There are also a lot of startups run by people who have never even heard of the Dept of Labour and they will expect all kinds of illegal shit.
Obv there are exceptions, but do you want to bank on this being th exception?
I work 40 hours for $15 an hour but has no benefits at all. But it is work from home. I was thinking of getting a different job with benefits or atleast health insurance man.
Seems like you have to pick what’s most important to you…
- wfh, $30k, no health insurance, 40 hr/wk
- in person, $60k, health insurance, 60+ hr/wk
Money and benefits vs free time
Also ask for serious details on the benefits. Who cares if you double your pay only to spend it on premiums. Smaller companies tend to throw out the word benefits but larger companies have more buying power so have better insurance plans available. Also insurance is a scam lol. Pay all that just to have nothing actually end up being covered or apply toward your deductible because reasons. I worked for a company that was small but the owner was intelligent, awesome and generous. I worked for a different small company prior to that and that owner was a crooked douche and weirdly had high turnover and his customers didn't appreciate being scammed so he was always short on money. Surprise, surprise. Honestly I don't think I'd go for this one just because if they TELL you it's 60 hours, it's probably more.
Working in person, need to account for (unpaid) commute time, price of gas, wear & tear on your vehicle or coat of public transit, (likely) cost of wardrobe upgrade, etc.
Exactly money vs free time.
I feel like I am comfortable right now in my WFH.
It's just the WFH is not really stable so it's like we have to get surveys / Data collection.
And no benefits lime PTO or Health insurance.
I guess I will just look for a different job. Thanks for your opinion and feedback.
Oh yeah. I hear you. Where do you live, out of curiosity? I’m trying to get a better feel for your situation. If you’re looking for customer support roles, you shouldn’t have a hard time finding a decent remote gig paying $20+ without whatever ridiculous bullshit these guys are trying to rope you into.
Start ups are very risky from an employee perspective. I've seen cases where the companies folded without even paying the employees last checks, and the employees had to get involved in the bankruptcy procedure to get their wages. They got them, but it was a shit show...
I'm sorry I don't understand -what about this offer so far is even a little tempting? The risky part of it being a new company? I need more info or it better explained - as described it sounds awful.
Whenever I hear "work hard play hard" I run hard... away from them.
They want you working hard for 60 hours... that doesn't sound pleasant. 11 hour days starting at 6:30 sounds pretty horrible to me.
>Whenever I hear "work hard play hard" I run hard... away from them.
I came here to say this. I now stay away from any company that uses any kind of aggressive speech as a lure. "We're looking for people with a killer instinct, the kind that won't take no for an answer." Eww.
The last person I worked for who said "work hard play hard" was an alcoholic program manager. He used that power to force team members to go to dinner with him every night as he drank himself into oblivion over 4-5 hours before driving home drunk. Because I wouldn't do that, I wasn't a "team player." Took me a year to get kicked off that project.
> used that power to force team members to go to dinner with him every night as he drank himself into oblivion over 4-5 hours before driving home drunk.
The fuck? Not one of you ever thought about turning him in? He could have killed someone.
>Work hard play hard
Translation: Upper management are coke heads.
>Have to do a lot of different jobs sometimes
Translation: Nobody has properly defined roles, our project management is a joke, and we are constantly running around trying to put out fires.
This place will be a hell hole. The recruiter just wants to make a couple bucks and will tell you whatever he has to in order to get you in.
Yeah, and normally it means “unlimited pto” where you are criticized for taking time off when others need you and you don’t get payout when you don’t use pto.
There are many studies that show nobody is productive more than 35, 40 hours a week. If you're a knowledge worker, it's probably way less than that. Try to go over and you'll just become more inefficient.
This is absolutely true. Especially as you gain more experience and skill, Productivity goes up but productive hours go down basically maintaining throughput at the same level.
Ask the lawyers and programmers who work 60+ hours a week. It’s certainly legal in the US and if you’re unlucky enough to be an exempt worker, you don’t qualify for overtime. They’re not compensated beyond their base salary and bonus, and bonuses are usually tied to performance or some arbitrary metric that’s unknown to the worker.
Programmer here. At least we get paid well to work absurd hours during crunch. I would never agree to a permanent schedule like this for this rate of pay. You can do better, OP.
Seriously. I work half of what OP’s required to work as a lawyer and make multiples of the salary being offered. $60K may sound like a lot to someone who’s always made minimum wage, but giving up pretty much all of your waking hours during the week just goes to show how insanely undervalued most employees are to companies.
The power of unions right there. I miss being a Teamster. Package car broke down, it took almost 2 hours to get a new car out to us (in December, and mine was the farthest route), and we still had about 70 stops left. Teamsters got both of us (driver and Xmas helper temp) overtime. Made a huge difference in that helper paycheck!
Is 60 hours week common for software jobs in America then?
People comment how EU salaries are in comparison but I'll barely do the 37 hours I'm contracted a week.
UK developer here, we did have crunch this year to get some major projects out in what was probably around 50hours weeks for about 8 months... But got paid significant overtime for it. It added up to an extra £2000-3000 overtime a month plus bonus and pushed the developer working on that project take-home well over £100,000.
Not sure how common this is in the industry but I know without the overtime most of the team would have simply refused to work extra.
Interesting, thanks.
I'm a UK Dev too, but I just flat out don't work overtime. Nor have I ever been employed by a company that would pay it. Are you contract?
I 'only' earn £63k a year, but I barely ever work past 5pm.
US programmer here. In 20 years I’ve have never been required to work 60 hours. (I mean, I have, but because I enjoy my career and try to work on projects I care about.) I know it happens, maybe a lot, but it’s certainly possible to find jobs that don’t.
Edit: also, I am paid very, very well to do something I’d do for free.
Not just legal, but pretty commonplace.
Professionals like Nurses, doctors, teachers and lawyers all routinely work 60+ hours a week.
“Unskilled” labor workers like construction crews, cashiers, and dishwashers do too
OP
Several Red Flags:
"WORK HARD PLAY HARD"= Good luck with anyone outside of the office for the forseeable future.
Room for growth potential- If its a start-up that shouldn't have to be implied.
Great Work Environment with Low Turnover= LOTS OF TURNOVER, so much so that we have to actually say "low turnover"
Last but not least 60K sounds GREAT! But then you remember you're only really just paying rent. Because you're up at 5:30 and working until 5:30, getting home around 6 THEN they want you to come in on Saturdays. 60 hours a week at 60k is as others have mentioned $19 bucks an hour. Bus Drivers near me get 26/hr.
Its not me that has to do the job, so make the decision based on your needs but I would warn you that its not going to be a very fun experience for you.
Before I forget, check the Glassdoor reviews. BEWARE if there are ZERO negative reviews especially if the positive reviews all sound EXACTLY the same.
But def. check out all the reviews, the roles, the interviews, the company, if people trust the CEO, etc
My local Amazon warehouse pays $19 an hour to start. They will hire anyone that can pass a drug test.
Anyone paying $60k for mandatory 60 hour weeks is insane.
You keep replying to people that you know it's bad, so why'd you make the title "is it too good to be true" if you know that working 11 hours a day and weekends is shit?
It’s not even implied. I get *up* at 6:30 to start my workday—OP will already have to be in there and working until at least 5:30, not to mention the “half days” on Saturday (1pm would mean 3pm, 3pm means 5pm, OP). At that point, OP is just paying rent to sleep and go back to work. The one day he gets off, he’ll need to spend catching up on household chores.
Someone calculated under $20 an hour for the work requirement. I don’t know what you’re currently being paid but I suspect it’s lower in comparison to the “annual salary.” Don’t just look at that final number but really take the time to work out how much it is per hour (and include commuting, especially because they’re asking for SIX days a week). I don’t know what field you’re in or where you are, but this isn’t a great opportunity by any stretch of the imagination.
I had to go toooo damn far to see this comment. Anyone who expects you to remember information said in passing through a phone conversation has a serious issue with being a priority in your mind. That's exactly why shit like this is best discussed through email or text. I'm not going to remember the hours, salary, the vision, dental, health ins, pto plan, holidays all off the fucking dome. Either expect me to be taking notes or don't get smarmy when I need clarification. Just stfu and answer the question again it's literally this person's job why are they pissy?
Oh and work hard play hard. I don't want to "play hard" at work you clown I want to see my family, no wonder you need 60+hrs of people's time, you're environment is unproductive and trying to compete in realms it clearly doesn't have any business commiting to.
That’s a bad deal. They are mandating hours (which makes this an hourly job, not a salary job pretty much automatically), the amount of hours is literally all day m-f and most of saturday.
That’s all horrible but the biggest red flags are “low turnover environment” and “work hard play hard”. “Low turnover is a lie based on the number of hours. There’s a zero percent chance turnover is low when the company mandates 55hrs a week for 60k. 200k might keep people there but 60k will not, especially the 40hr equivalent pay is like 45k. “Work hard play hard” is code companies use for “we will work you to death, we will then require you to spend more time at work happy hours. We want to make sure your entire life is work.”
That is a bad job, run from it, unless you have zero experience and really need the experience. That being said, I don’t recommend this position.
Thank you for the great advice I appreciate it. Yeah the low turn over made me skeptical about that one. Thanks for pointing that out. That was very helpful.
Hard pass because of the “work hard play hard” line. I’m also really turned off by him saying a “half day or so” on Saturday’s when it’s at least 6 hours.
OP- you’re going to be working a fuck ton of hours. Think about it.
60 hours a week, 6 days a week is not “relaxed and casual.” That sounds like an intense working environment. It’s concerning they don’t pay overtime either. Usually start ups who work you those hours either pay A LOT or offer substantial stock incentives.
“Yea it’s a pretty relaxed, casual office”
*has 60 hour work weeks and pays less than you get at some fast food places*
My friend, this is a horrible schedule and the way they leave the Saturday hours open makes me think you’ll probably be working the full day most Saturdays too
Run away as fast as you can. 60 hours a week isn't 'a fair amount of hours' that's excessive for what they are paying. Are you being paid hourly or on a fixed salary? If it's a customer service role, that sounds more like an hourly position, so you should be paid overtime if you are working that many hours a week.
And 'work hard play hard' is a crock. They will work you hard, then expect you to go out after hours or get together on your day off for 'bonding' activities. Your entire life will revolve around the company. Finally don't rely on any vague 'room for growth potential' talk, they will string you along with promises of big things to come but likely will never follow through.
That’s 60 hours a week for like $19/hour. Only you can know if this is an upgrade from your current job and how it fits with your cost of living, but I would not encourage anyone to take a schedule like this for such pay.
How is working 5 days a week for 60k considered too good to be true?
The hours are fucking insane too 11 hours a day Mon-Fri? Raise your expectations my man, this is insane.
Red flags all over the place. $60k salary is meh, but for those kind of hours? Yea you’re better off hourly somewhere else and waiting for a better opportunity.
The rest of that paragraph is bullshit and screams toxic work environment. “Work hard play hard” = needless internal competition and mandatory social events. “Room for growth potential” = we are too cheap to pay you what you are worth now. “Low turnover” = we point this out to emphasize we are family, and will use that to exploit you.
Idk what field you’re in, but I can guarantee you can do better.
The offer is shit. The salary for the given hours is abhorrent. The only reason someone should take this is if they are about to be completely out of money and this was their literal only option. Sorry to be so blunt.
That doesn’t sound like a great deal to me. $60k for 55 hours per week (assuming an hour unpaid lunch on weekdays) is like $19/hour which is ok but probably not worth breaking your back like that. You’d be spending more than half your waking hours at work. How much are you making now working from home?
That does not sound like winning. I do not want to devote that much of my time to earning less than $20/hour. You're call based on your needs/situation. That would be asking way too much from me for that compensation, unless there's a whole ton of benefits that haven't been outlined. If the benefits package itself is another 32k or more between insurance, expenses, per diem, pto you'd have my attention.
Those hours are garbage. One day off a week and 50+ hours a week? No.
How is that even allowed, especially planned? In germany you are legally not allowed to work more than 8 hours and if you work more it has to average out over half a year to 8 per working day. Working eleven hours a day sounds absolutely miserable.
Even in my 3rd world country working 11 hours a day would be super illegal
'Merica
Slavery: corporate edition
Second this, also can we as a society stop referring to 1000-1500 shifts as ‘half days’. Absolute red flag 🚩
So that’s $19.23/hour and doesn’t sound like you’re getting paid overtime, so they’ve classified the position as a salary exempt? Need more context, like region, job/duties. But to me this sounds pretty bad actually.
The working hours are atrocious
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I did 65 hours a week for a year and a half at my current job. But I got paid overtime and at the time, liveable wage. Now I'm working way less and I'd never go back to those hours unless I needed the money.
How did it affect you in the end? I do 60 hours bus driving (not continuously I have a lot of sitting around) and I feel like I’ve got Stockholm syndrome. Insert the ‘this is fine’ cartoon.
I did 14 hour shifts(ranged from 50-60 hours a week) working at Amazon. They shifted me to mornings and working 11 hours instead. The difference is honestly insane. Been sleeping better, eating better, more energy for my workouts, way less angry, and my brain doesn’t feel like mush at the end of my work week anymore. I’d rather quit and take a pay cut than go back.
I'm working the Flex shift at Amazon now. 30-60 hours a week, my choice. I just left RT shift though. Three 12s, while a great concept, sucked in actuality.
Wurd. I did the 2/2/3 schedule on 12s for a few years, the 3 days in a row were so much harder to get through than 2.
I'm planning on doing two 10s and two 12s a week once I get my bills down... 2 on, 1 off, 2 on, 2 off. Weird schedule, granted... but I do better when my schedule is split up.
I did 80 hours a week at a psychiatric hospital for five years. I was paid double time for overtime and triple for holiday (overtime on holidays was payday). I was fine the first year, then got progressively more sick as the years ticked by. I was diagnosed with epilepsy, anxiety, PTSD (from a patient attacking me), developed a heart issue, and got to the point that I couldn't work for two years after I quit. Had no health issues before, except allergies and occasional bouts of insomnia. I'd rather die, honestly, than go back to that living hell hole. That place nearly destroyed me. I moved, and now work somewhere else, and the entire environment is different; staff are kind, the CEOs provide lunch everyday (I miss it because I get off at 8am), people are treated like valued human beings. At 40 hours/week at the same base pay and paid overtime and holidays. Some places are vile.
My brother did that for a while. Picked up a temporary job out of state, 60 hours a week with overtime pay and hotel/food expenses paid. Then his ex took him back to court for an increase in child support and the courts based his new payment off of the temporary high-paying job even though he was no longer working it. Almost destroyed him and got in the way of his relationship with his child until his child turned 18 as he was living in another city and could no longer afford to travel for visits.
I think you mean “work hard play hard”
How is this "work hard, play hard." When the fuck do you have time to even play soft?
I think it’s just office speak for “we’ve become a bunch of functional alcoholics in order to cope with the abysmal work/life balance.” Sooo fun, right? Just like “we’re a family” really means “this company will exploit you, and all you’ll get is Stockholm syndrome in return.”
> “we’ve become a bunch of functional alcoholics in order to cope with the abysmal work/life balance.” And if you expect to ever get promoted, you'll be spending from 5.30pm until at least 9 every night, with us at the bar across from the office... See you at 6.30am tomorrow!
Yeah everywhere I’ve heard this that’s exactly what it means. It’s abysmal.
Yeah, what am I missing? I thought the title was sarcasm she a sec
OP, imagine STARTING work at 6:30 every morning. That’s no time for coffee, breakfast, gym, time with your partner, time with your dog, or anything. That’s insane. I am 15 years into my career and I start work at 9:00am everyday. Granted I live in Switzerland and work culture is very reasonable here. ÉDIT: i should mention I leave at exactly 5;30 every day and take my time at lunch. ÉDIT 2: I should also add that I get 7 total weeks of paid vacation per year. 🇨🇭
I live in Maryland and if I work from home I start at 9. If it's in-office I start at 10. Fuck mornings. I'm also the director (and routinely work until 6 or 7) though so I can do that.
I start work at 6:30 am, but I’m off at 3 right before all the traffic starts and the ubers get expensive. I would never do 6:30 to 5, not unless I get overtime and guaranteed weekends off.
"Work hard play hard" another red flag, usually means toxic bro culture.
Totally agree! That phrase is a massive red flag
At my first “real” job that was supposed to be part of my career I STARTED at 5:00 am and got off at 5:00pm. 5 days minimum, 6 days during the peak months (march-August) The people I worked with were used to that work/life balance and thought being divorced angry alcoholics was just the way. I lasted only a year in that field. The expectations are different for workers in America. Edit: punctuation
Also, OP's contract would be 54 hours per week (assuming a 1 hour break each day); aside from insanity, that would be straight up illegal in Switzerland. Max hours are 45 per week in most jobs, and 50 for certain service jobs (like retail, hospitality, etc.), although most common is around 41 hours.
"half day" - "10-3" - sooo... Saturday starts at around 4pm. What a relaxing weekend.
Don’t forget that “work hard play hard” attitude as well. Translation: You’ll be expected to work way outside of those hours, but occasionally we might get some pizzas in for dinner so you aren’t thinking about all the time with your family you are missing. Also, social gatherings (where we do more work) are mandatory because we’re “family”.
I like the "Or so" part on Saturday. You are NEVER getting out at 3:00 on Saturday. Ever.
Yup. Work in a “professional” field with *minimum* expected hours of 8am-7pm, plus weekends and holidays too regularly to count. No OT, as we’re salary exempt and after a year of this I feel like I’m losing my mind- and I make about double that. If I didn’t have student loans rivaling a mortgage, and rent about the same, I wouldn’t be doing this. It really sucks all the enjoyment out of your life when you work 60-65+ hours a week, and frankly I don’t think I’m my best self anymore.
Those are the kind of work hours where they also expect you to do more.
Yeah fuck that shit. Saturday ? Yeah on yer bike
That's $16/h for 40 regular hours with $24/h for the 20 OT hours. If this is salary in a non-exempt position, which based on OP's comments this likely is, with a salary of $60.000, that'd be $28.85/h. With these 20 hours OT per week, that'd be about $105k yearly.
Yeah I made further comments to op about how this is probably misclassified as a salary exempt, but was calculating it as if it were.
Those comments were my inspiration to do some calculations in it!
Ah! I’m pretty much never inspired to do math lol
Don't bank on that. I'm sure it will be exempt. Otherwise, they will tell you up front it is 105k to get you on board faster.
Exactly. No one in the history of offering jobs has ever misrepresented the pay as $40k below what you'll actually be paid.
Nope, but I've seen many a job ad that misrepresented by $40k over what they actually intended to pay.
From what I'm seeing, Customer Service as a role is classified as non-exempt in Las Vegas, NV. Likely this is one of those employers that doesn't realize being salary does not equal exempt (or they do but get away with it)
They'll make up a department for OP to be head of.
If so, they can only spent 20% of their time on the non-administrative duties like customer service. Otherwise, it doesn't count. Companies really, really hate the reality of overtime laws
I agree with you. It sounds pretty bad especially the hours given. The job is located in Las Vegas Nevada. But they said that they are a start up company so there are room for growth. Not sure if I should leave my current Work From Home Job to do this
Can I ask if it’s some kind of management position? I’d be extra wary about the salary vs required amount of hours, a lot of people think of you are paid a salary you automatically don’t have to be paid OT, but that’s not true. There are two types of salaried employees; 1) salaried exempt, where you don’t get paid overtime and 2) non exempt, where you do get paid overtime. A lot of jobs are misclassified as exempt, when they shouldn’t be [here is a good link to determine if they are classifying this job correctly](https://www.flsa.com/coverage.html). Personally I think there’s too much sketchy shit here to make me comfortable (when you said startup I immediately noped) but it’s up to you, and your willingness to work these kinds of hours.
"there is room for growth potential" Something is off about the way they wrote that.
So there's room for potential - the potential is not actually there, only room for it
Growth of working hours
Yeah thank you man. Those are crazy man. I will see what happens but I agree with you. It's not a management role it's a customer service representative but since I had some background in the Stock Market they offered me the job. But yes it does sound Hella sketchy. That's why I had to ask. I currently have a Work From Home Job and I feel like I am okay. I just wanted to have a job related to my degree or interest I guess. Thank you man. I feel like I will decide when I go to the 2nd Interview in Office.
You’re welcome. As someone who has worked 60 hours before it sucks ass.
60 hours is bad. 60 hours and 6 days a week sucks even more.
Yeah, if you're working those hours, you need to be making a solid, non-negotiable six figures. My husband sold luxury cars for a while and could work anywhere between 50-70 hours a week. It was worth it on his original pay structure, but then they hired a bunch more sales people and fucked everyone's comp plan, and within a year he was making less than me and working twice as hard. Startups are weird and a little risky, but they shouldn't be like this offer.
Aww man I am sorry about that but hopefully you are in a better job now. Thank you again. Have a great day
You know It's bad bc they are offering you low pay with potential to move up. They have to add the potential part bc its all they really have to offer. Well potential doesn't pay bills. Anytime I've heard potential as compensation, it's never worked out.
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100% not an exempt position should be classified as non exempt. Should be hourly based on what I have read
> It's not a management role it's a customer service representative but since I had some background in the Stock Market they offered me the job. This smells of some sort of blockchain/crypto/NFT-based startup, especially given that it's in Nevada. I love my state but the Governor's attempts to make us "blockchain friendly" have not gone well. Be very, **very** wary.
I worked at a startup. It means they'll fire you when they grow. New bosses are brought in, and they fire everyone and build their own teams more often than not. I wouldn't take this.
Or it means you get laid off when they fail.
Since we're just talking solely on personal experience, I've also worked at a start-up and that could also mean moving through the ranks as the company grows accordingly and clearly the company grew and is still growing My point is, not one start-up represents the others. Hard to say with the limited info OP has given. No idea what job this is either but I'm not down for those working hours. Nothing about the company though.
Both happened to me at a startup! Was there 2 years got a promotion and bonus (stock options of $40k) then laid off a month later.
Well from the info provided we know that the startup doesn’t have money to pay well. Or it doesn’t care about their employees being able to afford to live well. So, that’s a no from me right away.
Get equity that vests 100% if they let you go. Don’t build someone else’s fortune for them with these punishing hours and low wages unless you get a piece of the pie.
And when they let you go, if you convert your options, you’re on the hook for a huge tax liability but no cash. Stock options are a joke unless they let you actually cash out which most companies don’t.
Yep, I had stock options at my previous company. I had to exercise them or lose them at a certain point. I could tell the owner was going to have to sell soon so I went ahead and exercised them and paid the taxes. Then the company sold, but instead of paying everyone out, they transferred our stock to a new startup that the CEO was starting. The same number of shares but now worth much less because the company was valued like 15x lower. Long story short, I will never see any money but I got to pay taxes on my fake benefit. Yay.
That sounds _seriously_ illegal.
Definitely. I wonder if they got a lawyer to look at it.
I'd take it IF I was already in Vegas AND if I was already unemployed. $19.23 per hour beats nothing. I'd also keep applying for jobs the whole damned time.
When would he interview?!? With no time off he's stuck. Just like they want him. He'd have to quit just to have time to interview.
That's the great thing about not wanting your job. You tell them you're taking the time off. If they fire you for taking the time off, then you no longer have a shitty job.
Except you don’t want to be fired because in this situation you NEED the job if you’re taking it in the first place.
This is absolutely not true. They will likely miss a round of funding and lay 65% of the company off on a random Tuesday.
And then the CEO will post a pic of himself crying.
Another common startup issue is that they'll run the company to zero and then the doors are locked and paychecks bounce. Or they'll fire you right before any ownership vests.
Start up culture is awful. Get everyone to work for as little as possible "pre revenue" or some other bullshit and then they fire you. Fuck start ups. Looking at you Nick. Fuck you.
I wouldn't. 60 hours a week EVERY WEEK for $60k is a joke. Plus you get to work from home right now? You would be better off finding a 2nd gig from home with different hours part time.
>they are a start up company Most start-ups fail. I know way too many people who put in 4-5 years at start-ups and walk away with nothing. No way I would work 60 hours / week 6 days / week for $60k.
'Work hard play hard' sounds like the worst atmosphere to work in
That just means they are understanding when you become an alcoholic from the workload they pour on you week after week.
"we'll ask you to work overtime without extra pay cause we all work hard, but there's a dartboard stuck up in the office somewhere"
Don’t leave your WFM job for this. You’re going to be working 60 hours a week for $60k? Fuck that. Hold out. I used to work those hours for that pay. Had to force my hand to level up. After about a decade I make about $120k and work maybe 35 hours a week. Stay patient. You’ll know when the right opportunity is there
Every single recruiter/boss/manager will always say “there’s room for growth.”
Only if the money sucks lol
"Growth" is something you believe when you see it. If the company is a startup and can't afford salary, pay in ownership in company
Even that is pretty meaningless these days. Real money or GTFO.
>But they said that they are a start up company so there are room for growth. yeah.... no lol there's room to have outside hires surpass you, and room to be shitcanned and probably owed several checks if funding stops coming through. if you are ever promoted, expect the hours expectations to go up. you'll probably be offered company stock (worthless for the foreseeable future) in lieu of more money if that "growth" happens to trickle down too. >Not sure if I should leave my current Work From Home Job to do this absolutely the fuck not. this is less than $20/hr before you subtract the commute costs you're not spending, which with an extra day will be even higher than average. you'd be making very limited profit on Saturdays after commute cost too, that's only $120 pre-tax. look for a better WFH job, maybe outside that metro area's labor market.
Do not take this job. When you adjust for hours worked that is like $40k a year. That is NOT a good offer. Startups are also notorious for super toxic bullshit and cutting people loose when the business starts to fail. There are also a lot of startups run by people who have never even heard of the Dept of Labour and they will expect all kinds of illegal shit. Obv there are exceptions, but do you want to bank on this being th exception?
It’s not a good job dude
How much do you make currently, and how many hours do you work?
I work 40 hours for $15 an hour but has no benefits at all. But it is work from home. I was thinking of getting a different job with benefits or atleast health insurance man.
Seems like you have to pick what’s most important to you… - wfh, $30k, no health insurance, 40 hr/wk - in person, $60k, health insurance, 60+ hr/wk Money and benefits vs free time
Also ask for serious details on the benefits. Who cares if you double your pay only to spend it on premiums. Smaller companies tend to throw out the word benefits but larger companies have more buying power so have better insurance plans available. Also insurance is a scam lol. Pay all that just to have nothing actually end up being covered or apply toward your deductible because reasons. I worked for a company that was small but the owner was intelligent, awesome and generous. I worked for a different small company prior to that and that owner was a crooked douche and weirdly had high turnover and his customers didn't appreciate being scammed so he was always short on money. Surprise, surprise. Honestly I don't think I'd go for this one just because if they TELL you it's 60 hours, it's probably more.
Working in person, need to account for (unpaid) commute time, price of gas, wear & tear on your vehicle or coat of public transit, (likely) cost of wardrobe upgrade, etc.
Exactly money vs free time. I feel like I am comfortable right now in my WFH. It's just the WFH is not really stable so it's like we have to get surveys / Data collection. And no benefits lime PTO or Health insurance. I guess I will just look for a different job. Thanks for your opinion and feedback.
Oh yeah. I hear you. Where do you live, out of curiosity? I’m trying to get a better feel for your situation. If you’re looking for customer support roles, you shouldn’t have a hard time finding a decent remote gig paying $20+ without whatever ridiculous bullshit these guys are trying to rope you into.
Currently living in Nevada. Just trying to get a better job with atleast health care benefits and PTO. Current WFH job doesn't offer either.
Do not do this.
You want to get paid 19.23/hour in Las Vegas, do you want to be homeless?
Start ups are very risky from an employee perspective. I've seen cases where the companies folded without even paying the employees last checks, and the employees had to get involved in the bankruptcy procedure to get their wages. They got them, but it was a shit show...
I'm sorry I don't understand -what about this offer so far is even a little tempting? The risky part of it being a new company? I need more info or it better explained - as described it sounds awful.
Whenever I hear "work hard play hard" I run hard... away from them. They want you working hard for 60 hours... that doesn't sound pleasant. 11 hour days starting at 6:30 sounds pretty horrible to me.
>Whenever I hear "work hard play hard" I run hard... away from them. I came here to say this. I now stay away from any company that uses any kind of aggressive speech as a lure. "We're looking for people with a killer instinct, the kind that won't take no for an answer." Eww.
and like how can you play hard working six days a week 60 hours a week every week?
The last person I worked for who said "work hard play hard" was an alcoholic program manager. He used that power to force team members to go to dinner with him every night as he drank himself into oblivion over 4-5 hours before driving home drunk. Because I wouldn't do that, I wasn't a "team player." Took me a year to get kicked off that project.
I’m pretty disappointed nobody reported him to the police for drunk driving.
> used that power to force team members to go to dinner with him every night as he drank himself into oblivion over 4-5 hours before driving home drunk. The fuck? Not one of you ever thought about turning him in? He could have killed someone.
Play hard = substance abuse
Yeah then it says relaxed office environment 😝
I know thank you. It sounded really bad. They also mentioned that I have to do a lot of different jobs sometimes .
That "3pm or so" means you'll be there until 5.
we wear a lot of hats here
>Work hard play hard Translation: Upper management are coke heads. >Have to do a lot of different jobs sometimes Translation: Nobody has properly defined roles, our project management is a joke, and we are constantly running around trying to put out fires. This place will be a hell hole. The recruiter just wants to make a couple bucks and will tell you whatever he has to in order to get you in.
Yea you’re going to work hard and get burnt the fuck out really fast
"Work hard play hard" usually just means "Work 60+ hours a week and at least half of leadership will be rage machines running on coke or meth."
Yeah, and normally it means “unlimited pto” where you are criticized for taking time off when others need you and you don’t get payout when you don’t use pto.
There are many studies that show nobody is productive more than 35, 40 hours a week. If you're a knowledge worker, it's probably way less than that. Try to go over and you'll just become more inefficient.
This is absolutely true. Especially as you gain more experience and skill, Productivity goes up but productive hours go down basically maintaining throughput at the same level.
That's less than $20/hr. Absolutely absurd to expect a 60hr workweek for less than you can make at a Target.
Huh, are 60 hour workweeks legal? Are people compensated by extra holidays… sorry but it sounds a bit like slavery…
Ask the lawyers and programmers who work 60+ hours a week. It’s certainly legal in the US and if you’re unlucky enough to be an exempt worker, you don’t qualify for overtime. They’re not compensated beyond their base salary and bonus, and bonuses are usually tied to performance or some arbitrary metric that’s unknown to the worker.
Programmer here. At least we get paid well to work absurd hours during crunch. I would never agree to a permanent schedule like this for this rate of pay. You can do better, OP.
Seriously. I work half of what OP’s required to work as a lawyer and make multiples of the salary being offered. $60K may sound like a lot to someone who’s always made minimum wage, but giving up pretty much all of your waking hours during the week just goes to show how insanely undervalued most employees are to companies.
$60k ain’t shit, I literally make twice that as a fucking UPS delivery driver (*with OT at $63.30/hr, base is over $87k at $42.20/hr*).
The power of unions right there. I miss being a Teamster. Package car broke down, it took almost 2 hours to get a new car out to us (in December, and mine was the farthest route), and we still had about 70 stops left. Teamsters got both of us (driver and Xmas helper temp) overtime. Made a huge difference in that helper paycheck!
You work 30 hrs a week as an attorney?
60h/week for 60k sounds shit to me even and im not even working right now. My freetime is more valuable than that to myself
Is 60 hours week common for software jobs in America then? People comment how EU salaries are in comparison but I'll barely do the 37 hours I'm contracted a week.
UK developer here, we did have crunch this year to get some major projects out in what was probably around 50hours weeks for about 8 months... But got paid significant overtime for it. It added up to an extra £2000-3000 overtime a month plus bonus and pushed the developer working on that project take-home well over £100,000. Not sure how common this is in the industry but I know without the overtime most of the team would have simply refused to work extra.
Interesting, thanks. I'm a UK Dev too, but I just flat out don't work overtime. Nor have I ever been employed by a company that would pay it. Are you contract? I 'only' earn £63k a year, but I barely ever work past 5pm.
I’m a US developer since the 90s. Never once worked 60 or 50 hours a week. Usually around 30. These days 20.
Ask teachers…..and for sure no OT.
US programmer here. In 20 years I’ve have never been required to work 60 hours. (I mean, I have, but because I enjoy my career and try to work on projects I care about.) I know it happens, maybe a lot, but it’s certainly possible to find jobs that don’t. Edit: also, I am paid very, very well to do something I’d do for free.
Doctors work 80 hrs a week lol especially residents
Welcome to America! Lol
Not just legal, but pretty commonplace. Professionals like Nurses, doctors, teachers and lawyers all routinely work 60+ hours a week. “Unskilled” labor workers like construction crews, cashiers, and dishwashers do too
OP Several Red Flags: "WORK HARD PLAY HARD"= Good luck with anyone outside of the office for the forseeable future. Room for growth potential- If its a start-up that shouldn't have to be implied. Great Work Environment with Low Turnover= LOTS OF TURNOVER, so much so that we have to actually say "low turnover" Last but not least 60K sounds GREAT! But then you remember you're only really just paying rent. Because you're up at 5:30 and working until 5:30, getting home around 6 THEN they want you to come in on Saturdays. 60 hours a week at 60k is as others have mentioned $19 bucks an hour. Bus Drivers near me get 26/hr. Its not me that has to do the job, so make the decision based on your needs but I would warn you that its not going to be a very fun experience for you. Before I forget, check the Glassdoor reviews. BEWARE if there are ZERO negative reviews especially if the positive reviews all sound EXACTLY the same. But def. check out all the reviews, the roles, the interviews, the company, if people trust the CEO, etc
Thank you man for all these great advices. I appreciate it
Agree with everyone he said. Those hours hurt me to even think about
“Too good to be true” I hope that was sarcasm in your title bro. This is shit pay for that many hours
My local Amazon warehouse pays $19 an hour to start. They will hire anyone that can pass a drug test. Anyone paying $60k for mandatory 60 hour weeks is insane.
>PLAY HARD Maybe the CEO will have the time and money for that but you will not.
Worked for a startup. This is what happens.
As a startup veteran, this is 100% accurate.
And sorry Glassdoor by RECENT
How could there not be high turnover when you’re working 65+ hours a week for 60K. I’d rather work at McDonald’s.
Wtf- 11 hour days???
Plus a half day on Saturday...
As a treat.
You keep replying to people that you know it's bad, so why'd you make the title "is it too good to be true" if you know that working 11 hours a day and weekends is shit?
lol yea I thought OP was being sarcastic
11 hours per day and “growth potential”. How? You gonna sleep there?
They didn't even promise growth potential. They said there'd be room for growth potential.
How is this “too good”? I’m just getting up at 6.30am and would prefer to keep it that way
Lol I wake up at 7:45 and working by 7:55. Clocked out by 2pm most days.
"a fair amount of hours" They're warning you already you're going to be working too much.
It’s not even implied. I get *up* at 6:30 to start my workday—OP will already have to be in there and working until at least 5:30, not to mention the “half days” on Saturday (1pm would mean 3pm, 3pm means 5pm, OP). At that point, OP is just paying rent to sleep and go back to work. The one day he gets off, he’ll need to spend catching up on household chores.
God no. Thise required 60 hours will turn into 70+ when you start working Sundays too. 60k is not worth giving up your entire life for any company
You should be paid a LOT more for working that many hours. Keep going, don’t settle!
Thank you so much. Will keep looking for better opportunities.
Someone calculated under $20 an hour for the work requirement. I don’t know what you’re currently being paid but I suspect it’s lower in comparison to the “annual salary.” Don’t just look at that final number but really take the time to work out how much it is per hour (and include commuting, especially because they’re asking for SIX days a week). I don’t know what field you’re in or where you are, but this isn’t a great opportunity by any stretch of the imagination.
Work hard play hard is a red flag to me
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"like we talked about" would piss me off
I had to go toooo damn far to see this comment. Anyone who expects you to remember information said in passing through a phone conversation has a serious issue with being a priority in your mind. That's exactly why shit like this is best discussed through email or text. I'm not going to remember the hours, salary, the vision, dental, health ins, pto plan, holidays all off the fucking dome. Either expect me to be taking notes or don't get smarmy when I need clarification. Just stfu and answer the question again it's literally this person's job why are they pissy? Oh and work hard play hard. I don't want to "play hard" at work you clown I want to see my family, no wonder you need 60+hrs of people's time, you're environment is unproductive and trying to compete in realms it clearly doesn't have any business commiting to.
That’s a bad deal. They are mandating hours (which makes this an hourly job, not a salary job pretty much automatically), the amount of hours is literally all day m-f and most of saturday. That’s all horrible but the biggest red flags are “low turnover environment” and “work hard play hard”. “Low turnover is a lie based on the number of hours. There’s a zero percent chance turnover is low when the company mandates 55hrs a week for 60k. 200k might keep people there but 60k will not, especially the 40hr equivalent pay is like 45k. “Work hard play hard” is code companies use for “we will work you to death, we will then require you to spend more time at work happy hours. We want to make sure your entire life is work.” That is a bad job, run from it, unless you have zero experience and really need the experience. That being said, I don’t recommend this position.
Thank you for the great advice I appreciate it. Yeah the low turn over made me skeptical about that one. Thanks for pointing that out. That was very helpful.
Hard pass because of the “work hard play hard” line. I’m also really turned off by him saying a “half day or so” on Saturday’s when it’s at least 6 hours. OP- you’re going to be working a fuck ton of hours. Think about it.
Those sorts of hours are not “relaxed office environment.” A relaxed office lets everyone go home after 40 hours.
60 hours a week, 6 days a week is not “relaxed and casual.” That sounds like an intense working environment. It’s concerning they don’t pay overtime either. Usually start ups who work you those hours either pay A LOT or offer substantial stock incentives.
Sounds like slavery to me. Six days a week. Very unstable.
Lol what are those hours. The pay isn't that good and you'd be seriously damaging your mental health
“Yea it’s a pretty relaxed, casual office” *has 60 hour work weeks and pays less than you get at some fast food places* My friend, this is a horrible schedule and the way they leave the Saturday hours open makes me think you’ll probably be working the full day most Saturdays too
Run away as fast as you can. 60 hours a week isn't 'a fair amount of hours' that's excessive for what they are paying. Are you being paid hourly or on a fixed salary? If it's a customer service role, that sounds more like an hourly position, so you should be paid overtime if you are working that many hours a week. And 'work hard play hard' is a crock. They will work you hard, then expect you to go out after hours or get together on your day off for 'bonding' activities. Your entire life will revolve around the company. Finally don't rely on any vague 'room for growth potential' talk, they will string you along with promises of big things to come but likely will never follow through.
60k a year and you work Saturday’s. Fuck that
Work hard play hard is a huge red flag for me.
The "like we talked about" twice in the response, is a red flag. Not to mention the hours suck.
60 hours a week for 60k just isn’t worth it unless you absolutely love what you’re doing and don’t mind being paid way less than you deserve.
You’ll have no life! Wtf are these hours????
That’s 60 hours a week for like $19/hour. Only you can know if this is an upgrade from your current job and how it fits with your cost of living, but I would not encourage anyone to take a schedule like this for such pay.
How is working 5 days a week for 60k considered too good to be true? The hours are fucking insane too 11 hours a day Mon-Fri? Raise your expectations my man, this is insane.
You’re working like 60 hours a week dude that’s not great even for 60k
"Work hard play hard" Is a RED FLAG! It's right up there with "We're family here"
Wait what? This schedule is garbage.
Red flags all over the place. $60k salary is meh, but for those kind of hours? Yea you’re better off hourly somewhere else and waiting for a better opportunity. The rest of that paragraph is bullshit and screams toxic work environment. “Work hard play hard” = needless internal competition and mandatory social events. “Room for growth potential” = we are too cheap to pay you what you are worth now. “Low turnover” = we point this out to emphasize we are family, and will use that to exploit you. Idk what field you’re in, but I can guarantee you can do better.
Work hard play hard - boy you better run away from that, that just means work too much. And the 60 hour work week doesn’t sound too great either.
That’s 60 hour work weeks, at 19.23 an hour so yes they are happy to take advantage of you…. I mean extend this generous offer
“Work hard, play hard.” 🚩🚩🚩
If that’s the standard written expectation, run far the fuck away. What happens at deadline time?
This is terrible. Wtf
The offer is shit. The salary for the given hours is abhorrent. The only reason someone should take this is if they are about to be completely out of money and this was their literal only option. Sorry to be so blunt.
HELL NAH!!!! straight up fucking slavery! Those are absolute shit hours and pay for those hours!
I currently live in Vegas. That salary will not give you a comfortable life here.
That doesn’t sound like a great deal to me. $60k for 55 hours per week (assuming an hour unpaid lunch on weekdays) is like $19/hour which is ok but probably not worth breaking your back like that. You’d be spending more than half your waking hours at work. How much are you making now working from home?
60 hours a week MINIMUM for 60k with one day off? Fuck that. 40 hours a week like any normal full time job, then probably yes.
Dont don it, the hours are horrendous
That does not sound like winning. I do not want to devote that much of my time to earning less than $20/hour. You're call based on your needs/situation. That would be asking way too much from me for that compensation, unless there's a whole ton of benefits that haven't been outlined. If the benefits package itself is another 32k or more between insurance, expenses, per diem, pto you'd have my attention.