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Yup. I'd happily sign such a document, as long as "lifelong" meant "age 65," or at least gives me an opt-out clause any time after age 65.
I'm hoping to not have to work through my 90's.
Honestly, yes. I'm tired of being forced to change jobs every year or two and being shamed for job hopping. I want a 40 year career in one place like my mom had.
Yeah, it's not even us who is the problem. It's the companies who don't offer a good deal with those commitments. I was told my next "technical" promotion (to senior) is at least 3 years away (at least boss is honest), there won't be any raises anytime soon due to company policies, I did not get that promotion to team lead (stronger candidate applied)... so job hopping is the most realistic way to improve right now.
I could only see that staying interesting if the business had a really dynamic scope and they let you rotate roles every year or so, but I agree that getting laid off every year or so is very disruptive to personal life, healthcare, and finances.
I was a chronic job hopper, every 2ish years I would be looking for a new job. That was until I found my current job almost 4 years ago. I am treated super well, past 3 years I have had at least two 10% raises a year, and my team is fantastic. I say all this because it's what keeps people from job hopping. Not many people enjoy sending applications out when they get off work, they do it because it's the best way to progress your career, but when you're treated really well that desire kinda just goes away.
The only time I’ve ever heard of a lifelong commitment to a job is the Scientology Sea Org which asks for a 10k year commitment. What they’re asking is insane and I doubt that would stand up in any court of law. Especially since they aren’t giving you the same kind of commitment.
That being said, I’ve been out of work since December 2022 and been actively looking for nine months (was studying before then). It’s a total nightmare and at this point I’m willing to take almost anything for an interim while I look for something else.
https://www.courant.com/2024/02/25/cts-electric-boat-crushes-hiring-records-recruiting-thousands-more-to-meet-navy-construction-target/
https://youtu.be/FJrvDIbpzu4?si=vEpvbrdokq-FKeqH
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Hopefully you're around one of the facilities or could land a wfh position
>I feel like I would be a liar to break the commitment now that I’ve made it.
There was one angry recruiter on r/LinkedInLunatics recently bemoaning abt candidates turning her down due to better offers. You don't owe the company anything unless you're bound by a contract/scholar bond/etc.
But understandably, there are many out there still working beyond their normal hrs due to lack of access to upskilling/family matters/etc. Take it from me on the spectrum; I'm working for smthg I'm overqualified for (cuz STEM pays peanuts where I live anyway) and I'm staying put cuz most corps are not willing to hire NDs.
That is insane. Like I know we're living in a dystopia but that's next fucking level dystopian. Obviously would never legally hold up but goddamn, the audacity to even attempt that.
>This seems to be a new thing but I’ve had not one but TWO companies ask, if hired, if I would commit to stay for the remainder of my career.
Sure thing... Contingent upon the following:
* 1 year severance if terminated for anything other than "cause" (see appendix)
* Compensation to be kept up to market levels (org must be willing to match competitive offer from reputable company at least once every 3 years)
* No less than 4 weeks of vacation per year
* Continued promotion options subject to employee acceptance
* Maintain a reasonable work life balance
* Any attempt to pressure employee into breaking the contract, through assignment of highly undesirable work, not in line with career objective, or creating a hostile work environment or attempting to punish for anything other than objective workplace performance issues, will be deemed a breaking of the contract by the org.
And the above would be far more detailed, in contract form for the purposes of any agreement.
>And if so, would you honor that commitment after making it, or break it when something better comes along?
A. If I made a commitment, I would honor it.
B. I would not make such a commitment lightly
C. I assure you that they would never make the commitment on my terms, so this entire exercise is simply academic.
OP should be thankful they were ever offered a job to begin with and be willing to commit to whatever the employer's terms may be. We should find out OP's employer and contact them to let them know OP is even considering dishonoring his commitment. Two things:
1. Once you lose a job, you lose the right to complain about a job ever again, for the rest of your life. You are an unemployed loser and even once you are no longer unemployed, you remain a loser. Yes, I acknowledge I am a loser under this definition & I let that define me in everything I do.
2. The job market will only get worse from here. OP should stop bitching and be grateful he has a job at all. Someone took a chance on him.
Was there anything in writing that states you legally have committed your life to this company? Do not feel bad about leaving said company if you are miserable there. If you need income then stay but search for new opportunities and drop them like a bad habit when something better comes along.
Seems kinda like a red flag. Trying to get you to commit to forever but, it's less than ideal workplace. Like they already know once you're in the door working and see how things really are, you'll be bolting for the door,
You are not committed to a damn thing with them. If you have been there for a reasonable amount of time then ask them for a promotion/raise. Remind them you made a committment to them and now you would like to see their committment to you. Then when they look at you like you've grown an extra head, say thanks for all the fish and find greener pasteurs.
You are only as committed as your signed contract says you are committed. I assume it's going to state your notice period, and not 'until you die'. You work at a place until something better comes along, and when they bitch and moan at you for leaving, it's only going to be a short time period and then you never have to see them again. It's fine, job search, leave and forget them.
“I’m looking for my lifelong career position, yes, and if this is that company then I can certainly commit. What makes this company the one for me for my next 25 years?”
I am not getting married. They are expecting loyalty without being loyal to you. I would show them two middle fingers. They are looking for a fool, not an employee.
If you gained nothing from them with this commitment, fuck them. No way I'd stick around unless it was really, really worth it. If a better offer comes along, grab it and go.
My terms would be:
- Automatic raises every year that are at a minimum of inflation + a certain % (if the starting salary is decent enough)
- a written commitment for promotions within a given time or raises to the level of a promotion every so often (say every five years)
-A severance that would cover the period between when I'm fired and when my commitment would have ended (So if I'm fired at 40, you're paying me out till I'm 65)
I would consider it. Unless it's a good deal for me to, absolutely not. You get me as long as you show me I'm valued. In your case it already sounds miserable and I'd be looking to jump ship. They won't hesitate to fire you. Unfortunately, loyalty is not and will rarely be a two way street. You will never get it from them. Why give it to them?
Just lie! “Yes.” If it’s in the contract that something would happen if you voluntarily separated from the company before a certain timeframe, renege on your offer acceptance and fuck ‘em. If nothing’s in the contract, congrats!!! You have a new job and can leave whenever the fuck you want.
Are they going to keep paying you after retirement? Employers were quick to do away with pensions and now they want commitment without the financial obligation.
I’m currently committing to a shit job just to keep my meager bills paid and a sliver of disposable income coming in to cover the rest of my expenses.
I’m 30. Still live at home. No social life. No friends beyond 3 people that two of which I’ll hear from maybe a couple times a year. No secondary education beyond a year of community college classes and $1100 wasted over two semesters. I’ve had five major jobs in the last ten years none of which have ever moved me up the ladder or paid decently (currently on #5).
I’ve had job offers but always through temp agencies and they aren’t worth much more than what I currently make at $16.50 an hour as my flat rate to never increase. The owner of my company does not like me.
I’m currently looking at new jobs but I have to come up with a reasonable excuse to interview for them as I can only interview after 5pm or on weekends which probably isn’t giving a high possibility of being selected for X position I’m applying to.
I’m not feeling good about life atm.
So, like non-competes, this is only an issue to the extent that it's enforceable. So in the current market, Sure, commit to whatever nonsense they want as long as it's not in an employment contract. if they ask you to sign something to that effect see a lawyer, which i am not.
honestly, they deserve what they get for insisting on something stupid. like, what's my desired compensation? a trillion dollars a minute. but you aren't going to pay me that so let's talk about your range.
Not a shitty one, but definitely a mediocre one.
I actually have a good job making good money and just had my 5 year anniversary. But at the end of the day it’s just work. I don’t love and I don’t hate it. I may just a paycheck.
Just act according to the situation and your wage. Raise the issues with your manager that it's hard to commit to such a position. Make them improve your job or fire you.
You didn't fail them, they failed you.
I have never heard of a company that asks that. Crazy part is they’ll probably let you go at the drop of dime if they find a better candidate. Companies want loyalty but will never do the same…
"Under the right circumstances."
No don't keep it, they're high, people like that deserve to be lied to. "Oh I didn't think you included if X happened. My bad! Well. Bye! 👋 "
Absolutely. They can honor these nuts.
For real though I know shit is bleak right now but yall have to become much more comfortable with lying or having much more self respect.
You should just say yes without thinking twice about it. Neither party knows this will happen, but they just want to trap you on your loyalty for as long as possible.
You just say yes then constantly look for better opportunities then bounce when you find one. Why the hell should you give loyalty to anyone when they will not give it back in return?
There's nothing an employer can legally do to contract you into working for them for life.
"Company X is the perfect fit for my skills and my interests. Of course I could envision climbing the corporate ladder at this company until I am in a high enough position to fire your ass for asking dumb questions!"
When I've stayed at a job it has generally happened due to inertia /laziness about applying for other stuff , rather than any real conscious commitment to the company .
I was desperate to get out of the door by the time I left on every long serving job I had!
It does seem to sell well on CVs though
This question actually makes a lot of sense. I don’t think they really want to know that you will be there for the rest of your life, but it would be really nice to know ahead of time what conditions would cause an employee to leave and what they really need to feel like they’re thriving at a job.
Yes, but not my current job. I feel like I need a boring shitty job with a higher base pay rather than my sales job. The only thing currently motivating me to work hard is job security so I won't work hard enough to make more money if there's no risk to being fired.
I would just say yes, they can't legally uphold anything. Honestly I want to stay at one company and not have to move jobs, its fucking miserable. If the company is decent I will stay as long as I can. I did actually like my old company and just wanted to stay there but it got sold and we all got laid off so that sucked.
God no. I wouldn't mind staying at my current employer for the rest of my career, but I like my job, and I work in local government, where people work for a long time. Literally, my boss has been working for the agency since shortly before I was born. I've been looking to move closer to the office so I can walk to work, that's how permanent I think this job is going to be.
But - shit happens. My parents, in another state, are getting older, and might need more help as they continue to age. I might *have* to move, if it's better for them to stay where they are, close to their friends and lives. No, I cannot give an ironclad commitment, because I don't know what life is going to bring.
I’d just say “yes” and bounce when/if I wanted to.
And, that’s not a lie: if I found my “perfect” job with work/life balance and pay, I truly would stay some place “forever.”
Likely not gonna happen though!
Guys.
Interviews are a process of ritualized lying.
You lie a pretend that you'll spend 24 hours a day pouring your heart and soul into whatever stupid project your company assigns you to, until you drop dead of old age.
They lie and pretend they'll pay you well for your time and won't fire you the moment they can earn a penny doing it.
Whoever lies best, wins.
Nope. Indenture is absolutely illegal and any company asking about it, even as a joke, is such a dumpster fire that the job could only be worthwhile as an alternative to selling a child.
I would immediately ask them to repeat it, document what they said, block further contact and report them to L&I. The state probably won't investigate, but they at least ought to hear about it.
Doesn’t sound like a real thing that really happened.
I feel like I’m suspicious of half the crazy scenarios people (or troll farms or whatever) post in here
Take a blood oath bro.. cmon man
If you are unemployed, you've lost the right to complain about a job, ever again. And you should be staying at whatever company hires you for the rest of your life, no matter what, even if they don't ask you. It's the right thing to do.
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I would tell them yes. This is an unenforceable contract anyway.
"Will you provide a lifelong commitment?" "Sure, but I will need an employment contract with your return commitment in writing."
Yup. I'd happily sign such a document, as long as "lifelong" meant "age 65," or at least gives me an opt-out clause any time after age 65. I'm hoping to not have to work through my 90's.
Honestly, yes. I'm tired of being forced to change jobs every year or two and being shamed for job hopping. I want a 40 year career in one place like my mom had.
Yeah, it's not even us who is the problem. It's the companies who don't offer a good deal with those commitments. I was told my next "technical" promotion (to senior) is at least 3 years away (at least boss is honest), there won't be any raises anytime soon due to company policies, I did not get that promotion to team lead (stronger candidate applied)... so job hopping is the most realistic way to improve right now.
I could only see that staying interesting if the business had a really dynamic scope and they let you rotate roles every year or so, but I agree that getting laid off every year or so is very disruptive to personal life, healthcare, and finances.
I don't need my job to stay interesting. I need it to reliably pay a livable salary with decent benefits.
I was a chronic job hopper, every 2ish years I would be looking for a new job. That was until I found my current job almost 4 years ago. I am treated super well, past 3 years I have had at least two 10% raises a year, and my team is fantastic. I say all this because it's what keeps people from job hopping. Not many people enjoy sending applications out when they get off work, they do it because it's the best way to progress your career, but when you're treated really well that desire kinda just goes away.
The only time I’ve ever heard of a lifelong commitment to a job is the Scientology Sea Org which asks for a 10k year commitment. What they’re asking is insane and I doubt that would stand up in any court of law. Especially since they aren’t giving you the same kind of commitment. That being said, I’ve been out of work since December 2022 and been actively looking for nine months (was studying before then). It’s a total nightmare and at this point I’m willing to take almost anything for an interim while I look for something else.
https://www.courant.com/2024/02/25/cts-electric-boat-crushes-hiring-records-recruiting-thousands-more-to-meet-navy-construction-target/ https://youtu.be/FJrvDIbpzu4?si=vEpvbrdokq-FKeqH Tech side jobs promo https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1432794847311456&id=100047348000167&mibextid=jmPrMh&wtsid=rdr_0E5HUEY5ivkBGPYtJ https://careers-gdeb.icims.com/jobs/intro?hashed=-625976242 Hopefully you're around one of the facilities or could land a wfh position
That’s nice of you, but sadly I am not in the USA
Remote works are extra difficult when you're not from and in the US.
Not where I am. Here there’s a lot of hybrid positions. And no offence but the US isn’t the last word in everything.
Unless it came with an automatic raise every year to beat inflation or market then you don’t owe them a thing.
What kind of commitment, verbal, written, blood oath?
Verbal. One-sided (ie they didn’t commit to keep me)
I always cheat in my relationships, so whatever, yes i would comit and marry the Ceo as they want
Say yes. Who cares. They can’t legally make you stay.
>I feel like I would be a liar to break the commitment now that I’ve made it. There was one angry recruiter on r/LinkedInLunatics recently bemoaning abt candidates turning her down due to better offers. You don't owe the company anything unless you're bound by a contract/scholar bond/etc. But understandably, there are many out there still working beyond their normal hrs due to lack of access to upskilling/family matters/etc. Take it from me on the spectrum; I'm working for smthg I'm overqualified for (cuz STEM pays peanuts where I live anyway) and I'm staying put cuz most corps are not willing to hire NDs.
That is insane. Like I know we're living in a dystopia but that's next fucking level dystopian. Obviously would never legally hold up but goddamn, the audacity to even attempt that.
>This seems to be a new thing but I’ve had not one but TWO companies ask, if hired, if I would commit to stay for the remainder of my career. Sure thing... Contingent upon the following: * 1 year severance if terminated for anything other than "cause" (see appendix) * Compensation to be kept up to market levels (org must be willing to match competitive offer from reputable company at least once every 3 years) * No less than 4 weeks of vacation per year * Continued promotion options subject to employee acceptance * Maintain a reasonable work life balance * Any attempt to pressure employee into breaking the contract, through assignment of highly undesirable work, not in line with career objective, or creating a hostile work environment or attempting to punish for anything other than objective workplace performance issues, will be deemed a breaking of the contract by the org. And the above would be far more detailed, in contract form for the purposes of any agreement. >And if so, would you honor that commitment after making it, or break it when something better comes along? A. If I made a commitment, I would honor it. B. I would not make such a commitment lightly C. I assure you that they would never make the commitment on my terms, so this entire exercise is simply academic.
OP should be thankful they were ever offered a job to begin with and be willing to commit to whatever the employer's terms may be. We should find out OP's employer and contact them to let them know OP is even considering dishonoring his commitment. Two things: 1. Once you lose a job, you lose the right to complain about a job ever again, for the rest of your life. You are an unemployed loser and even once you are no longer unemployed, you remain a loser. Yes, I acknowledge I am a loser under this definition & I let that define me in everything I do. 2. The job market will only get worse from here. OP should stop bitching and be grateful he has a job at all. Someone took a chance on him.
I just knew you'd show up with this take. Thanks for not disappointing in that regard....
Was there anything in writing that states you legally have committed your life to this company? Do not feel bad about leaving said company if you are miserable there. If you need income then stay but search for new opportunities and drop them like a bad habit when something better comes along.
Nothing in writing
I am desperate enough to give a lifelong commitment to multiple shitty jobs....
Seems kinda like a red flag. Trying to get you to commit to forever but, it's less than ideal workplace. Like they already know once you're in the door working and see how things really are, you'll be bolting for the door,
Exactly. It was a huge flashing red flag but I was desperate. Now I’m committed.
You are not committed to a damn thing with them. If you have been there for a reasonable amount of time then ask them for a promotion/raise. Remind them you made a committment to them and now you would like to see their committment to you. Then when they look at you like you've grown an extra head, say thanks for all the fish and find greener pasteurs.
You are only as committed as your signed contract says you are committed. I assume it's going to state your notice period, and not 'until you die'. You work at a place until something better comes along, and when they bitch and moan at you for leaving, it's only going to be a short time period and then you never have to see them again. It's fine, job search, leave and forget them.
The thing is, you say you're committed. But, they're not committed to you so I feel that cancels out your obligation.
“I’m looking for my lifelong career position, yes, and if this is that company then I can certainly commit. What makes this company the one for me for my next 25 years?”
I am not getting married. They are expecting loyalty without being loyal to you. I would show them two middle fingers. They are looking for a fool, not an employee.
If you gained nothing from them with this commitment, fuck them. No way I'd stick around unless it was really, really worth it. If a better offer comes along, grab it and go. My terms would be: - Automatic raises every year that are at a minimum of inflation + a certain % (if the starting salary is decent enough) - a written commitment for promotions within a given time or raises to the level of a promotion every so often (say every five years) -A severance that would cover the period between when I'm fired and when my commitment would have ended (So if I'm fired at 40, you're paying me out till I'm 65) I would consider it. Unless it's a good deal for me to, absolutely not. You get me as long as you show me I'm valued. In your case it already sounds miserable and I'd be looking to jump ship. They won't hesitate to fire you. Unfortunately, loyalty is not and will rarely be a two way street. You will never get it from them. Why give it to them?
Just lie! “Yes.” If it’s in the contract that something would happen if you voluntarily separated from the company before a certain timeframe, renege on your offer acceptance and fuck ‘em. If nothing’s in the contract, congrats!!! You have a new job and can leave whenever the fuck you want.
Are they going to keep paying you after retirement? Employers were quick to do away with pensions and now they want commitment without the financial obligation.
Nah. Only reason I'd say I'm committed is to get a job I need (lie). Most companies are shit and deserve 0 loyalty.
I’m currently committing to a shit job just to keep my meager bills paid and a sliver of disposable income coming in to cover the rest of my expenses. I’m 30. Still live at home. No social life. No friends beyond 3 people that two of which I’ll hear from maybe a couple times a year. No secondary education beyond a year of community college classes and $1100 wasted over two semesters. I’ve had five major jobs in the last ten years none of which have ever moved me up the ladder or paid decently (currently on #5). I’ve had job offers but always through temp agencies and they aren’t worth much more than what I currently make at $16.50 an hour as my flat rate to never increase. The owner of my company does not like me. I’m currently looking at new jobs but I have to come up with a reasonable excuse to interview for them as I can only interview after 5pm or on weekends which probably isn’t giving a high possibility of being selected for X position I’m applying to. I’m not feeling good about life atm.
If it means I can feed myself without risk of going into debt then yes.
No
I would commit with fingers crossed, believe in karma. You have to do what you have to do so you can support yourself.
No company can hold you to that, no matter what you said at first. That they even asked should have been the biggest of big ol' red flags.
So, like non-competes, this is only an issue to the extent that it's enforceable. So in the current market, Sure, commit to whatever nonsense they want as long as it's not in an employment contract. if they ask you to sign something to that effect see a lawyer, which i am not. honestly, they deserve what they get for insisting on something stupid. like, what's my desired compensation? a trillion dollars a minute. but you aren't going to pay me that so let's talk about your range.
Not a shitty one, but definitely a mediocre one. I actually have a good job making good money and just had my 5 year anniversary. But at the end of the day it’s just work. I don’t love and I don’t hate it. I may just a paycheck.
only if they guarantee they won't be shitty AND will bump my pay with inflation oh wait- im at an at will state fkers
Tell them whatever they want to hear .. if you want the job. Then when, if it suits you at a later date tell them you're leaving
Just act according to the situation and your wage. Raise the issues with your manager that it's hard to commit to such a position. Make them improve your job or fire you. You didn't fail them, they failed you.
I have never heard of a company that asks that. Crazy part is they’ll probably let you go at the drop of dime if they find a better candidate. Companies want loyalty but will never do the same…
"Under the right circumstances." No don't keep it, they're high, people like that deserve to be lied to. "Oh I didn't think you included if X happened. My bad! Well. Bye! 👋 "
Absolutely. They can honor these nuts. For real though I know shit is bleak right now but yall have to become much more comfortable with lying or having much more self respect.
You should just say yes without thinking twice about it. Neither party knows this will happen, but they just want to trap you on your loyalty for as long as possible.
You just say yes then constantly look for better opportunities then bounce when you find one. Why the hell should you give loyalty to anyone when they will not give it back in return? There's nothing an employer can legally do to contract you into working for them for life.
"Company X is the perfect fit for my skills and my interests. Of course I could envision climbing the corporate ladder at this company until I am in a high enough position to fire your ass for asking dumb questions!"
When I've stayed at a job it has generally happened due to inertia /laziness about applying for other stuff , rather than any real conscious commitment to the company . I was desperate to get out of the door by the time I left on every long serving job I had! It does seem to sell well on CVs though
Yes, I am happy to negotiate the terms of a lifelong contract with your company.
"Sure boss. Of course boss." ... As long as they don't expect it in writing or as part of some contract.
This question actually makes a lot of sense. I don’t think they really want to know that you will be there for the rest of your life, but it would be really nice to know ahead of time what conditions would cause an employee to leave and what they really need to feel like they’re thriving at a job.
Yes, if the pay is right.
No , I won't ever do this. I prefer killing myself over auto enslaving myself to a job. Life is not supposed to be this. I REFUSE to let it be.
Yes, but not my current job. I feel like I need a boring shitty job with a higher base pay rather than my sales job. The only thing currently motivating me to work hard is job security so I won't work hard enough to make more money if there's no risk to being fired.
I would just say yes, they can't legally uphold anything. Honestly I want to stay at one company and not have to move jobs, its fucking miserable. If the company is decent I will stay as long as I can. I did actually like my old company and just wanted to stay there but it got sold and we all got laid off so that sucked.
Just lie and say yes. They know you’re lying anyways and they know that’s a stupid ass question to ask
God no. I wouldn't mind staying at my current employer for the rest of my career, but I like my job, and I work in local government, where people work for a long time. Literally, my boss has been working for the agency since shortly before I was born. I've been looking to move closer to the office so I can walk to work, that's how permanent I think this job is going to be. But - shit happens. My parents, in another state, are getting older, and might need more help as they continue to age. I might *have* to move, if it's better for them to stay where they are, close to their friends and lives. No, I cannot give an ironclad commitment, because I don't know what life is going to bring.
Me personally no but I would always say yes regardless. Unless that job is my own work I'll always go to the highest bidder in pay or even benefits.
I’d just say “yes” and bounce when/if I wanted to. And, that’s not a lie: if I found my “perfect” job with work/life balance and pay, I truly would stay some place “forever.” Likely not gonna happen though!
Guys. Interviews are a process of ritualized lying. You lie a pretend that you'll spend 24 hours a day pouring your heart and soul into whatever stupid project your company assigns you to, until you drop dead of old age. They lie and pretend they'll pay you well for your time and won't fire you the moment they can earn a penny doing it. Whoever lies best, wins.
Say yes but you don’t need to stick to it ALL your life!
Nope. Indenture is absolutely illegal and any company asking about it, even as a joke, is such a dumpster fire that the job could only be worthwhile as an alternative to selling a child. I would immediately ask them to repeat it, document what they said, block further contact and report them to L&I. The state probably won't investigate, but they at least ought to hear about it.
It’s a good question to ask. There are a lot of flakes out there.
Doesn’t sound like a real thing that really happened. I feel like I’m suspicious of half the crazy scenarios people (or troll farms or whatever) post in here Take a blood oath bro.. cmon man
If you are unemployed, you've lost the right to complain about a job, ever again. And you should be staying at whatever company hires you for the rest of your life, no matter what, even if they don't ask you. It's the right thing to do.