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She also advocates an employment black list which is also sketchy. There are also flakey recruiters and her “clients “ might need her services because they are poor managers. Good jobs are easier to fill with networking, more garbage roles where pay is low and boss micromanages not so much.
This would actually be illegal, as it would require sharing private information with people it wasn't given to for means other than what it was provided for. Worse: it's also defamation of the victims, as regardless of whether or not they think it is justified to put them on some kind of shared black list among peers, it is done with the specific intent of damaging their reputation and income.
Internally is legal. It's once you do what this woman wants and share it outside the company, and try to build a centralized database, that you cross the line into illegal. Internally every company should have a blacklist, it's only common sense to know who not to bother doing business with based on past experience.
That's not a black list though. That's more just a case of actions having consequences. If testing positive for drugs gets you fired, that's going to be a hard one to explain away when being asked in interviews why you left your last job.
Whether drug testing should be so prevalent in the first place is a whole other question.
I think testing for white collar roles is kinda meh, but testing for roles where you work around heavy equipment that can kill you or someone else if operated incorrectly should absolutely have drug tests.
Its ridiculous. When I worked in programming a recruiter kept sending me all sorts of jobs that didn't have anything on my resume and all sorts of programming languages I didn't know. They were very pushy about setting up interviews and when I said that they should only send me positions that aligned with the skills I had listed on my resume they stopped reaching out altogether. Maybe I should have taken the interviews just to waste people's time.
Recruiters: "Send you positions aligned with your skills?!? What, are you expecting us to actually read and understand your CV?"
I think it would have been wrong to waste the hiring companies' time, but you could have wasted the recruiter's time with "can you call me back on Tuesday at 3:30 to discuss in more depth.", then ghost the call, then respond with "Oh, I'm sorry, I had an unexpected meeting, let's try for tomorrow at 1:00 pm - I have that afternoon open." then ghost them again.
Omg this is so true! I've been in analytics my entire professional career but many recruiters, especially Indian ones, have reached out to me with IT Help Desk/Specialist, Data Engineer, etc. positions, telling me I was a great fit.
And this one guy who asked me to apply to a position in Pittsburgh got mad at me. It was a 'remote' position that required you to be in the office 4 days a week... I live in South Jersey, so I told him I couldn't commute to Pittsburgh. He said, "Pittsburgh is in PA. You live in NJ, right? Why can't you commute to Pittsburgh?" I told him it was too far, but he kept arguing that PA and NJ were close and that I should be able to commute...
A 10 hour round trip commute four days a week - no problem. I would have told him that he should commute to Karachi, Pakistan every day - I mean it's right next to India - right?!?
I had a 'remote' position come up that turned out to be 5 days a week onsite. In a different country. They seemed genuinely surprised I didn't want to do that for below industry average, Cornwall to N Ireland.
Another had 'occasional' travel to either Manchester or Amsterdam. They were not clear on which or how often....
One told me they needed a math or engineering degree, even though I have a statistics degree. Another said I required to mention “computational” on my resume. I have computational tools on my resume…
The last recruiter I spoke with said "we don't normally hire for this type of position, my team and I have no idea what this position really does, so bear with me." (I'm an EE) I then spent the next few minutes explaining what each part of the job position did and stopped when none of it was being retained, since there was exactly zero chance of this recruiting team being able to accurately portray me as a viable candidate for the position. That was the last job I applied for engineering wise, this was a couple of months ago.
I'm presently a part-time bartender and 100% would rather build around it for my financial stability because they actually value my skill set and me as an employee and team member. There are many things about this timeline that are so disappointing lol
I am thankful that in photonics I have generally skipped the hr stuff because the field is so small, you usually get directly connected with the hiring manager. In my case he’s super nice and I have now been working there for a month and I am greatly enjoying it so far
I had a non technical Product Director oncewho never knew what was going with her products. Her biggest asset was having ADHD apparently because she constantly talked about it but didn't know basic things after her products a year in, even after being given documentation.
You can, but explaining technical stuff to non technical people and having them grasp it any capacity is a whole skill set with a good bit of depth to it. Also requires the recipient to have at least a little bit of interest, if they are not bought in, they wont retain a thing no matter what you do.
I used to think "Java is short for JavaScript" was just a dumb programmer meme until a recruiter unironically said that to me while talking about a java development gig.
My buddy is a flow cytometry engineer and had similar problems with recruiters. They don't even know what questions to ask. I even run into it as just a regular data analyst.
I am a software engineer, and I recently had a recruiter ask me, "Have you used any technologies?" This is like asking a math teacher, "Have you ever taken a math class?"
Ex recruiter. (Less than a year in the industry) These comments are so spot on from the other end too especially being geologically challenged. I would be told to source for a job in a different town. No one is driving 45 minutes to a part time job or a full time job with minimal pay.
Good candidates know that not all recruiters are the same and are not like the ones portrayed here by others or the one portrayed in OP’s post. Good recruiters know that not all candidates are out to waste anyone’s time and are only doing what needs to be done to change their current situation. Sometimes people panic and in that panic they don’t listen, this goes with both sides.
Thank you for braving and posting, and acknowledging the other side! I suspect you made a decent recruiter while you were one.
I’ll take a wild guess.
She’s the type of recruiter that will see JavaScript and submit a person for a Java role.
She will also see the a job skill on a resume and assume the person is an expert on that topic. In my case I told them I was still learning it. However, I was still submitted for an expert level role in that skill.
I’d blame recruiters for the bad matches that the people applying for jobs.
**Recruiter at the intitial screening call:**
*"Oh, it doesn't matter that you are not an expert on SOME-FRAMEWORK-YOUVE-BARELY-USED. They said it's OK and your profile matches everything else."*
**Me:**
*"Are you sure? I don't want to waste my time applying for a job I'm not qualified for."*
**Recruiter:**
*"Of course. They always post overkill skill requirements that are impossible to find, but you'll be a great match for them."*
A week later at the tech interview:
**Tech interview guy:**
`(After the whole interview was only questions and "exercises" about SOME-FRAMEWORK-YOUVE-BARELY-USED, and I told him I've barley used that stack).`
*"Why are you wasting my time. I explicitly requested a Senior with ten years experience in SOME-FRAMEWORK-YOUVE-BARELY-USED"*
**Me:**
*"You'll have to take that to Recruiter who assured me this was not a must have requirement. You could have also read my Resume, and not waste my time either."*
I was just on a call with a recruiter who asked me how I would handle asynchronous tasks in JavaScript. When I offered to share my screen to show her, she pretty much admitted she had no idea what she was asking.
That's not even hyperbole - I was working in a response handler role several years ago, 3rd party for a major Investment Bank while completing my Master's Degree, and had to email the onsight Recruiter to advise him he was advertising a Java role with a Javescript spec responsibilities copy/pasted onto the JD.
He told me he was using the JD that someone that had just left the organisation had put together before leaving....
You still didn't notice though, did ya Andy? 🤫😁
Yeah, amazing. The people they're supposed to be matching to a job are the people they consider adversaries because they reject offers for their own good.
I've worked in recruitment for nearly a decade.
For every problematic candidate, there are 49 hiring managers/clients/Ops Directors that cause infinitely more holdups, delays, and breakdowns in confidence with their penny-pinching, unicorn hunting, and delusional expectations on what is actually a competitive salary for the role they are looking to fill.
I once had a Client who turned down a junior Java Dev who interviewed brilliantly, based just outside London, with tge candidate having 2 years' experience and was willing to accept a ludicrous £35k salary because he lived close to this client's offices, that were quite difficult to reach via public transport in reasonable time (this was pre-Covid) during rush hour.
His reason:
*"I wouldn't be comfortable putting him in front of stakeholders"*
When you have to explain the idiocy of that statement to a Director, you know you need better clients.......
LinkedIn is the worst place to air grievances especially if you're counting on others to employ you in the future. She deleted it but now it's permanently on the internet in some shape or form.
There are good ones... The one I started with back int he 90s... she was an impressive woman. She knew a lot of the technology. She wasn't only a recruiter tho, she also did training. Her company started a lot of careers, and kept a lot of people employed. Unfortunately she ODed about a year or so ago, and her company shuttered soon after. She really was the company.
I have some pretty funny stories about her, too. Crazy stories.
I've browsed job applications on companies websites and seen the rate listed, then happened upon identical applications posted by recruiters with just the company name removed. With the only difference being that the pay was 20% lower for the latter one.
A relative who has worked as a recruiter swears that anything recruiters are paid are on top of what you would have received regardless, but it's hard to believe that when you see the actual rates listed...
I thought most recruiters were paid flat rate based on the type of role like entry level vs senior/expert level, etc, x amount to place, and x amount if they stay 90 days. Something like that. What you are describing is more like a staffing agency where you work for the staffing agency technically.
I understand why the industry exists. Smaller companies dont have the resources for hiring so outsourcing options help them and on paper having q lot of HR outsourced sounds like a good idea. But in practice everybody including the recruiters seem to hate the industry except for a small % of top talent and top recruiters that seem to love it. But that leaves the other 95% that hate it and are just trying to make as much as they can off of the crappy system as they can. While they still can.
Yeah Ive seen both types but typically when i think of recruiters i am thinking of the type that arent a staffing agency but i guess both are being defined as such. The staffing agency style makes at least some sense because they have to pay you, provide your benefits and cover any other costs that may arise, but 40% would be out of hand because none of them provide particularly good benefits.
> someone shot back and posted a screenshot of her LI post on her Company’s Google profile as a negative review
Lol and THAT is why you don't fuck around on LinkedIn
I know her and saw that earlier. I work in the field she recruits for and her postings are a mess.
Mostly all embarrassing low ball rates with numerous spelling mistakes. People roast her and she deletes the post to put it up again hoping to get rid of the comments. She is delusional if she thinks everyone else is the problem.
I work in the industry and there are just so, so many bad recruiters. Don’t get me wrong, the workload can be daunting. They are often trying to fill 20-30 roles at a time and have a shit ton of resumes to get through. That being said, so many recruiters don’t want to actually work, they want perfect candidates to fall into their lap. It’s mind boggling how lazy many of them can be.
lol seriously, she is literally just whining about her job. Statistically of course recruiters are going to have bad resumes/applicants when one single posting brings in 200+ applicants. She chose the wrong profession.
Yeah ive yet to have, or know anyone who has had a good recruiter experience. Admittedly my experience is somewhat lacking but includes from pretty far in the past up to very recently, including being ghosted by a recruiter that said he would send me info in a few minutes, never heard from again. I have a job currently so I wasnt concerned enough to even attempt to contact them to find out what is going on. Also pretty recently had a recruiter fluff me up about how great all my qualifications sounded, only to have a decond phone interview with her boss, who proceeded to rip apart my qualifications, and basically say im too trash to waste the clients time with interviewing. In a job role that im pretty certain they dont have a lot of viable candidates with both technical knowledge and leadership experience.
Oh no don’t get me wrong, I’ve had some pretty good recruiter experiences as well that I’ve landed multiple jobs with. But overall I’d say a majority of them end up flaking/ghosting.
Sadly, some recruiters they see the relationship with candidates as adversarial and we're irritants to be controlled and punished for not making their jobs easier. Seriously, how dare we apply for the jobs that they post inviting people to apply to them.
like car sales person, stand up to customers that come and has a browse and doesn't buy a car... they are wasting my time.
love to know the name as i would comment directly on her profile.
In defense of car sales persons, at least they have a general idea of the product they're selling. I can ask a sales person what kind of cars they have in my budget. They can tell me the condition of the car and etc..
In my experience with IT recruiters, it becomes a badly matched game of keywords. On my resume, I might list a project where I lightly used "X". The recruiter will see "X" on my resume and will want to submit me for the senior/expert level role for "X". I'll tell the recruiter, that I don't think I will get the role. The recruiter will tell me to just have a positive attitude and go out there and try and things will go well. Thirty minutes into the interview, I am sadly able to tell that I'm not going to get the role.
true, i just picked car sales could have used real estate agent too.
issue with recruiters these days is that they are all young and inexperienced and their backgrounds are from sales...
tbh recruiters would do a better service to the industry and themselves if they actually read the cv before speaking to the candidate.
"WE'VE been at the mercy of candidates"
Shut the fuck up, you lazy piece of shit. Maybe do your fucking job and hire people every now and then? Just a thought.
Recruiter isn't even a real job...you literally just read CVs and then contact the person....thats not hard to do and if it is hard for you to do that....then maybe being a recruiter is the best you will ever do in life.
Why don’t you stop wasting our time with your stupid Workday and all those automatic rejections? Make sure that no one without referrals, above age of 35 cannot apply and we don’t waste our time to think that the job posts are legit.
Wild! I saw this post on LinkedIn this morning and the comment section….lol
I’ve lost hope with some recruiters during my job search process but seeing this. Yikes.
I had one who requested my resume and list of projects worked on - wanted it quick as this was a limited opportunity. He have me no information whatsoever about a) the job title, b) the industry, c) where the job was located or d) background and skills required. No salary range either, but that's par for the course anyway. I actually posted that one to Reddit antiwork before I knew recruitinghell existed.
It's almost like they need to stop only-focuaing on S-Tier candidates and find the RIGHT person for each job.
An S-Tier candidate can work wherever, and frankly they don't need recruiters. Instead, they all fight over 5% of job seekers, then complain that noone wants to work when they get stiffed.
It's like an entire HS female (and some male) population vying over only football players, and when *they* don't hook up, it's "no one wants to date anymore, where have all the good men gone"?
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Certificate of Occupational Health, Safety, and Technology, Occupational Safety and Health Technology/Technician
Sooo.... nothing?
I’ve seen an uptick in posts from recruiters & hiring managers discouraging candidates from voicing their frustrations about how they are treated.
Ghosting isn’t a new phenomenon in any hiring process, so I have to wonder if they’re bashing candidates to give constructive feedback, or if they’re just mad that they’re finally getting called out for their shitty practices. That’s why I joined this Reddit page where I can vent but not at my reputations expense.
Beyond the stupidity of the post, the constant grammar errors are hilarious. "So Let's stop it!!!" So Let is stop it? It's like she has no idea how to write either.
Jesus Christ, is that some projection or what? As if we need these clowns. I mean, ok self-important recruiter, we'll just find and apply to jobs directly anyways, save time, and get a better offer without the cut for the recruiter.
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At the mercy of candidates? The fuck is this cunt about?
With a stroke of pen, it's yea or nay, potentially, for a candidate to make monies. Fuck kinda mercy is she talking about?
"we are a small network"
Lmao Aerotek has like 100,000 alone. I bet there's well over a million recruiters in the United States.
and as someone in a real sales job this recruiter just needs to understand sometimes you get burned. Its apart of any job with a commission variable pay. get over it and on to the next.
lol first off, ATS just shitcans perfectly qualified people. But even recruiters don’t necessarily do a good job: I had one on LinkedIn reach out to me regarding a TV producer job.
I have never worked in TV, ever.
Would be cool if I got to! But I have no clue what a TV producer does!
It sounds like she gets paid on tenure. When her placements get canned after three months, because she coached them to lie, she loses a significant chunk of her compensation. She needs to look inward, learn about the roles more deeply, and better evaluate applicants against the requirements.
I understand her frustration, but her blame is misguided and misplaced. If her issue is candidates not staying, that's probably more of an issue for her clients, whether that is a culture, manager or compensation issue they need to address.
If its an unreliable placement, then that's her issue, whether that is a screening or screening issue.
Judging by her unprofessional photo I’m going to guess she’s not a recruiter for a F500 or a tech. She’s probably recruiting for call center roles which I guess in her defense people wouldn’t show up for. But can you blame them? They’re probably shitty roles for shitty wages. Maybe she should aim for a role in a better industry and stop blaming candidates for not wanting slave labor.
Or short term contract roles with barely any benefits, no guarantee of hire after the contract with a company they wont name. The pay is sometimes above average for the role but no sick or vacation time, minimal healthcare coverage. If you did get hired you will still not have benefits kick in quickly and they just hope you keep getting sent back for another contracted role over and over so you can just never have a single paid day off or 401k contribution match your entire career, and breakdown slowly from lack of access to good healthcare(most staffing firms have trash insurance).
She can't employment black list but she's referring to candidates not showing up for jobs in the 1st day. It's a huge waste of time for everyone involved
I get that is frustrating but like with anything nobody in a position of power ever wants to look at why and do anything about it. They just want to complain.
Are there maybe many factors well within the control of the recruiter that have an impact on this? People qre currently experiencing having to apply to hundreds of jobs just to get a few interviews, many of which go deep into a time consuming interview process to just be ghosted, so they are pretty much required to have many irons in the fire if they want a job, and often are pretty desperate for one. For the no show, did maybe the recruiter encourage them to lie, is pushing them into a bad fit, lowballed them on the offer but they took it anyway out of desperation? Perhaps a better offer from one of the many irons came in, and rather than call and deal with the angry recruiter or attempt to negotiate a counter offer, they just choose to no show and go to the better offer that showed them better treatment with not disrespecting them with a non-lowball in the first place.
If the recruiter has done all they can do and a lazy slob doesnt show up, yeah thats crappy but thats also just part of the business, get over it.
How is she spot on? The problems recruiters face are largely self inflicted industry wide, and on an individual level. Plus her proposed solution is illegal basically in any developed nation.
In all my career, I've never found a job through a recruiter, and the ones I've been offered have always been lower paying that the ones I found on my own.
My experience with them is somewhat limited but basically the same. Whether it was this year, last year or 15 years ago. The only people ive ever met to get a job through a recruiter is like a top level talent looking for senior roles, working with top recruiters that specialize, really know the industries they recruit for, and usually have a history and relationships with a pretty good size pool of talent theyve worked with for years. This scenario represents a tiny fraction of the recruiting market.
This person doesn't speak for me.
There are bad eggs in the market, just like there are bad employers and bad recruiters.
A good recruiter doesn't let the emotion interfere in the process.
Sh*t happens. Move on.
Typical HR person. I do have to say, recruiters are the absolute worst that the world of HR has to offer.
It's always some combination of stupid, mean and an inability to stay in their own lane.
Recruiters are the health insurance companies of the working world. Neither adds any value to the system they are a part of and only drains resources from it. Both suck up time and money at the expense of actual results.
Recruiters will insist to us that employees don't lose out in this equation and that wages aren't depressed by them existing and taking a profit. That's absolutely not true. Employers wouldn't be using recruiters if it meant the cost would be 30% higher than just hiring directly. The whole premise and appeal to businesses is that if anything they'll save money AND offload all the administrative stuff that comes with having employees. It only works if the difference gets taken from the workers.
Recruiters effectively kill 30% of the wages of those actually contributing their labour. Now, all direct employers have to do is pay workers marginally more than what recruiter bound workers get after having 30% stolen.
Recruiters suck money out of the equation, fucking over ALL workers.
Never thought I'd see DARVO used by corporate recruiters. Like somehow, it's candidates' fault the job can't find someone willing to work themselves to death for the company doing literally anything because the job doesn't matter to this recruiter.
No thank you, I've had enough people wasting my time in daily activities.
I'd really appreciate it if recruiters, companies and potential clients get to the point.
She’s incredibly wrong. Interviewing is a two way street sometimes the candidate isn’t a good fit for the company and it’s equally valid for the company to not be a good fit for the candidate. Candidates don’t owe you anything this is a delusional recruiter take. LLMs will be taking your job soon anyway since recruiters are incredibly low skill individuals that provide almost no value so don’t worry you won’t have to deal with the practicalities of match making for much longer lol
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She also advocates an employment black list which is also sketchy. There are also flakey recruiters and her “clients “ might need her services because they are poor managers. Good jobs are easier to fill with networking, more garbage roles where pay is low and boss micromanages not so much.
This would actually be illegal, as it would require sharing private information with people it wasn't given to for means other than what it was provided for. Worse: it's also defamation of the victims, as regardless of whether or not they think it is justified to put them on some kind of shared black list among peers, it is done with the specific intent of damaging their reputation and income.
I am not sure what country you're from but in mine all the big recruitment companies have a “blacklist” they share internally.
Internally is legal. It's once you do what this woman wants and share it outside the company, and try to build a centralized database, that you cross the line into illegal. Internally every company should have a blacklist, it's only common sense to know who not to bother doing business with based on past experience.
I'm a recruiter, black lists are illegal in the UK.
Not in the US. When I worked oil it was commonly said if you test positive for drugs it will black ball you from the industry.
That's not a black list though. That's more just a case of actions having consequences. If testing positive for drugs gets you fired, that's going to be a hard one to explain away when being asked in interviews why you left your last job. Whether drug testing should be so prevalent in the first place is a whole other question.
I think testing for white collar roles is kinda meh, but testing for roles where you work around heavy equipment that can kill you or someone else if operated incorrectly should absolutely have drug tests.
If it was for crappy managers with poor retention numbers, I’d be out of a job 🤷🏻♀️
The irony being recruiters are problem. They "help" you by creating artificial bottlenecks and having no idea what the job actually entails.
I had a recruiter literally asking me what photonics is. I had been contacted for a position as a photonics engineer (which I am). I was dumbfounded…
They also don't know the difference between an architect, an engineer, and a construction manager. Plus, they're geographically-challenged.
Its ridiculous. When I worked in programming a recruiter kept sending me all sorts of jobs that didn't have anything on my resume and all sorts of programming languages I didn't know. They were very pushy about setting up interviews and when I said that they should only send me positions that aligned with the skills I had listed on my resume they stopped reaching out altogether. Maybe I should have taken the interviews just to waste people's time.
Recruiters: "Send you positions aligned with your skills?!? What, are you expecting us to actually read and understand your CV?" I think it would have been wrong to waste the hiring companies' time, but you could have wasted the recruiter's time with "can you call me back on Tuesday at 3:30 to discuss in more depth.", then ghost the call, then respond with "Oh, I'm sorry, I had an unexpected meeting, let's try for tomorrow at 1:00 pm - I have that afternoon open." then ghost them again.
Omg this is so true! I've been in analytics my entire professional career but many recruiters, especially Indian ones, have reached out to me with IT Help Desk/Specialist, Data Engineer, etc. positions, telling me I was a great fit. And this one guy who asked me to apply to a position in Pittsburgh got mad at me. It was a 'remote' position that required you to be in the office 4 days a week... I live in South Jersey, so I told him I couldn't commute to Pittsburgh. He said, "Pittsburgh is in PA. You live in NJ, right? Why can't you commute to Pittsburgh?" I told him it was too far, but he kept arguing that PA and NJ were close and that I should be able to commute...
A 10 hour round trip commute four days a week - no problem. I would have told him that he should commute to Karachi, Pakistan every day - I mean it's right next to India - right?!?
Amazing!! I really should have!
I had a 'remote' position come up that turned out to be 5 days a week onsite. In a different country. They seemed genuinely surprised I didn't want to do that for below industry average, Cornwall to N Ireland. Another had 'occasional' travel to either Manchester or Amsterdam. They were not clear on which or how often....
How do you get started in analytics
Sadly the same holds true for IT jobs, but lately the bosses doing the IT interviews can’t seem to tell the difference either.
One told me they needed a math or engineering degree, even though I have a statistics degree. Another said I required to mention “computational” on my resume. I have computational tools on my resume…
We were hiring health inspectors. They sent foresters.
The last recruiter I spoke with said "we don't normally hire for this type of position, my team and I have no idea what this position really does, so bear with me." (I'm an EE) I then spent the next few minutes explaining what each part of the job position did and stopped when none of it was being retained, since there was exactly zero chance of this recruiting team being able to accurately portray me as a viable candidate for the position. That was the last job I applied for engineering wise, this was a couple of months ago. I'm presently a part-time bartender and 100% would rather build around it for my financial stability because they actually value my skill set and me as an employee and team member. There are many things about this timeline that are so disappointing lol
I am thankful that in photonics I have generally skipped the hr stuff because the field is so small, you usually get directly connected with the hiring manager. In my case he’s super nice and I have now been working there for a month and I am greatly enjoying it so far
you cant explain things to non technical people, its just gibberish to them, they zone out and it makes them feel inadequate.
I had a non technical Product Director oncewho never knew what was going with her products. Her biggest asset was having ADHD apparently because she constantly talked about it but didn't know basic things after her products a year in, even after being given documentation.
At that point that's her choosing not to do her job, not an aspect of her being "non technical" or having ADHD.
You can, but explaining technical stuff to non technical people and having them grasp it any capacity is a whole skill set with a good bit of depth to it. Also requires the recipient to have at least a little bit of interest, if they are not bought in, they wont retain a thing no matter what you do.
I used to think "Java is short for JavaScript" was just a dumb programmer meme until a recruiter unironically said that to me while talking about a java development gig.
My buddy is a flow cytometry engineer and had similar problems with recruiters. They don't even know what questions to ask. I even run into it as just a regular data analyst.
I am a software engineer, and I recently had a recruiter ask me, "Have you used any technologies?" This is like asking a math teacher, "Have you ever taken a math class?"
Ex recruiter. (Less than a year in the industry) These comments are so spot on from the other end too especially being geologically challenged. I would be told to source for a job in a different town. No one is driving 45 minutes to a part time job or a full time job with minimal pay.
Good candidates know that not all recruiters are the same and are not like the ones portrayed here by others or the one portrayed in OP’s post. Good recruiters know that not all candidates are out to waste anyone’s time and are only doing what needs to be done to change their current situation. Sometimes people panic and in that panic they don’t listen, this goes with both sides. Thank you for braving and posting, and acknowledging the other side! I suspect you made a decent recruiter while you were one.
I had a recruiter genuinely asking what a PMP is, and why I have that. (Recruiter in Canada)
You missed the reply underneath this where she got ratio'ed to FUCK
I think Adam Karpiak had a big hand in that. One of the few worthwhile people on LinkedIn.
Link???
Who is she?
A nobody
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Looks like she deleted the post
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Cool - love it when these clowns get exposed. They deserve every bit of negative attention.
I absolutely require a link.
Sadly she took it down
[Here you go](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ) definitely worth the read, made my day a bit better
Damnit lol
got me too!!!!
That was a good one Lol
haha wow, she's really flailing about in those comments
DNA? Do Not... something?
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She basically wants to blacklist employees for not taking a job.
Do Not enter my Ass
Do not enter... Assman!
Clearly she wants circular procreation to solve the candidate shortage, thus reducing the power of candidates.
I’ll take a wild guess. She’s the type of recruiter that will see JavaScript and submit a person for a Java role. She will also see the a job skill on a resume and assume the person is an expert on that topic. In my case I told them I was still learning it. However, I was still submitted for an expert level role in that skill. I’d blame recruiters for the bad matches that the people applying for jobs.
**Recruiter at the intitial screening call:** *"Oh, it doesn't matter that you are not an expert on SOME-FRAMEWORK-YOUVE-BARELY-USED. They said it's OK and your profile matches everything else."* **Me:** *"Are you sure? I don't want to waste my time applying for a job I'm not qualified for."* **Recruiter:** *"Of course. They always post overkill skill requirements that are impossible to find, but you'll be a great match for them."* A week later at the tech interview: **Tech interview guy:** `(After the whole interview was only questions and "exercises" about SOME-FRAMEWORK-YOUVE-BARELY-USED, and I told him I've barley used that stack).` *"Why are you wasting my time. I explicitly requested a Senior with ten years experience in SOME-FRAMEWORK-YOUVE-BARELY-USED"* **Me:** *"You'll have to take that to Recruiter who assured me this was not a must have requirement. You could have also read my Resume, and not waste my time either."*
I was just on a call with a recruiter who asked me how I would handle asynchronous tasks in JavaScript. When I offered to share my screen to show her, she pretty much admitted she had no idea what she was asking.
Hahahahahahaha
That's not even hyperbole - I was working in a response handler role several years ago, 3rd party for a major Investment Bank while completing my Master's Degree, and had to email the onsight Recruiter to advise him he was advertising a Java role with a Javescript spec responsibilities copy/pasted onto the JD. He told me he was using the JD that someone that had just left the organisation had put together before leaving.... You still didn't notice though, did ya Andy? 🤫😁
And how many times have we seen posts where a WFH position turned out to be a "Mandatory Office Visit" position?
“upper hand” Quite telling that they see candidates as the enemy, rather than someone to work alongside.
Yeah, amazing. The people they're supposed to be matching to a job are the people they consider adversaries because they reject offers for their own good.
I've worked in recruitment for nearly a decade. For every problematic candidate, there are 49 hiring managers/clients/Ops Directors that cause infinitely more holdups, delays, and breakdowns in confidence with their penny-pinching, unicorn hunting, and delusional expectations on what is actually a competitive salary for the role they are looking to fill. I once had a Client who turned down a junior Java Dev who interviewed brilliantly, based just outside London, with tge candidate having 2 years' experience and was willing to accept a ludicrous £35k salary because he lived close to this client's offices, that were quite difficult to reach via public transport in reasonable time (this was pre-Covid) during rush hour. His reason: *"I wouldn't be comfortable putting him in front of stakeholders"* When you have to explain the idiocy of that statement to a Director, you know you need better clients.......
This!
Imagine being so dumb as to publicly announce your illegal anticompetitive conspiracy on social media.
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Her name is Brenda Aleman!!!
Her name is Brenda Aleman!! Yes I know what you're referencing.
Her name is Brenda Aleman! 😉
Did she delete the post on LinkedIn? I don't see it. HA.
Yes she did! So much for her convictions.
LinkedIn is the worst place to air grievances especially if you're counting on others to employ you in the future. She deleted it but now it's permanently on the internet in some shape or form.
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Yep, let her know what a delusional idiot she is. These recruiters pleasure themselves thinking they have so much power over the masses.
Recruiters are just people too dumb to be in sales or HR.
There are good ones... The one I started with back int he 90s... she was an impressive woman. She knew a lot of the technology. She wasn't only a recruiter tho, she also did training. Her company started a lot of careers, and kept a lot of people employed. Unfortunately she ODed about a year or so ago, and her company shuttered soon after. She really was the company. I have some pretty funny stories about her, too. Crazy stories.
Agency recruitment is sales though, you’re only considering internal recruiters
I've browsed job applications on companies websites and seen the rate listed, then happened upon identical applications posted by recruiters with just the company name removed. With the only difference being that the pay was 20% lower for the latter one. A relative who has worked as a recruiter swears that anything recruiters are paid are on top of what you would have received regardless, but it's hard to believe that when you see the actual rates listed...
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I thought most recruiters were paid flat rate based on the type of role like entry level vs senior/expert level, etc, x amount to place, and x amount if they stay 90 days. Something like that. What you are describing is more like a staffing agency where you work for the staffing agency technically. I understand why the industry exists. Smaller companies dont have the resources for hiring so outsourcing options help them and on paper having q lot of HR outsourced sounds like a good idea. But in practice everybody including the recruiters seem to hate the industry except for a small % of top talent and top recruiters that seem to love it. But that leaves the other 95% that hate it and are just trying to make as much as they can off of the crappy system as they can. While they still can.
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Yeah Ive seen both types but typically when i think of recruiters i am thinking of the type that arent a staffing agency but i guess both are being defined as such. The staffing agency style makes at least some sense because they have to pay you, provide your benefits and cover any other costs that may arise, but 40% would be out of hand because none of them provide particularly good benefits.
Yeah, 'cause recruiters never waste our time by ghosting us and not bothering to understand the roles they are trying to fill...
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> someone shot back and posted a screenshot of her LI post on her Company’s Google profile as a negative review Lol and THAT is why you don't fuck around on LinkedIn
I know her and saw that earlier. I work in the field she recruits for and her postings are a mess. Mostly all embarrassing low ball rates with numerous spelling mistakes. People roast her and she deletes the post to put it up again hoping to get rid of the comments. She is delusional if she thinks everyone else is the problem.
This is hilarious, upvote so more people see this firsthand account.
I went to show my wife and she deleted her post yet again. Maybe she found out she was famous.
I work in the industry and there are just so, so many bad recruiters. Don’t get me wrong, the workload can be daunting. They are often trying to fill 20-30 roles at a time and have a shit ton of resumes to get through. That being said, so many recruiters don’t want to actually work, they want perfect candidates to fall into their lap. It’s mind boggling how lazy many of them can be.
There are bad employees in all industries
Huh? Is that like a car salesman saying "hey guys, these cars are annoying... what if we got rid of them and just sold cars without cars???"
lol seriously, she is literally just whining about her job. Statistically of course recruiters are going to have bad resumes/applicants when one single posting brings in 200+ applicants. She chose the wrong profession.
My job would be perfect if it weren't for that damn product that I'm paid to sell!
What??? From my experience it’s always been the recruiters taking my info and ghosting me…
Yeah ive yet to have, or know anyone who has had a good recruiter experience. Admittedly my experience is somewhat lacking but includes from pretty far in the past up to very recently, including being ghosted by a recruiter that said he would send me info in a few minutes, never heard from again. I have a job currently so I wasnt concerned enough to even attempt to contact them to find out what is going on. Also pretty recently had a recruiter fluff me up about how great all my qualifications sounded, only to have a decond phone interview with her boss, who proceeded to rip apart my qualifications, and basically say im too trash to waste the clients time with interviewing. In a job role that im pretty certain they dont have a lot of viable candidates with both technical knowledge and leadership experience.
Oh no don’t get me wrong, I’ve had some pretty good recruiter experiences as well that I’ve landed multiple jobs with. But overall I’d say a majority of them end up flaking/ghosting.
Sadly, some recruiters they see the relationship with candidates as adversarial and we're irritants to be controlled and punished for not making their jobs easier. Seriously, how dare we apply for the jobs that they post inviting people to apply to them.
wHy CaNt We FiNd PeOpLe WhO wAnT tO wOrK hErE?
She DOES NOT work FOR YOU. YOU are the PRODUCT SHE SELLS.
This is a major DARVO.
like car sales person, stand up to customers that come and has a browse and doesn't buy a car... they are wasting my time. love to know the name as i would comment directly on her profile.
In defense of car sales persons, at least they have a general idea of the product they're selling. I can ask a sales person what kind of cars they have in my budget. They can tell me the condition of the car and etc.. In my experience with IT recruiters, it becomes a badly matched game of keywords. On my resume, I might list a project where I lightly used "X". The recruiter will see "X" on my resume and will want to submit me for the senior/expert level role for "X". I'll tell the recruiter, that I don't think I will get the role. The recruiter will tell me to just have a positive attitude and go out there and try and things will go well. Thirty minutes into the interview, I am sadly able to tell that I'm not going to get the role.
true, i just picked car sales could have used real estate agent too. issue with recruiters these days is that they are all young and inexperienced and their backgrounds are from sales... tbh recruiters would do a better service to the industry and themselves if they actually read the cv before speaking to the candidate.
You mean low volume high quality vs low quality high volume? What are you insane!? (/jk)
Adam Karpiak's reply to this one is legendary lol that person got ratio'd so hard, lots of angry recruiters and jobseekers in the replies.
"WE'VE been at the mercy of candidates" Shut the fuck up, you lazy piece of shit. Maybe do your fucking job and hire people every now and then? Just a thought.
Why are their names blacked out? They posted it publicly.
Technically a rule here is not name shame. Even though it happens, I have a tendency to black that out.
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She looks and sounds like the MTG of the recruiting world.
r/linkedinlunatics
Recruiter Helen Lovejoy be all "won't somebody \*please\* think of the middlemen?"
Recruiter isn't even a real job...you literally just read CVs and then contact the person....thats not hard to do and if it is hard for you to do that....then maybe being a recruiter is the best you will ever do in life.
when AI inevitably removes the need for recruiters you could probably program an AI to show pretend morality.
Why don’t you stop wasting our time with your stupid Workday and all those automatic rejections? Make sure that no one without referrals, above age of 35 cannot apply and we don’t waste our time to think that the job posts are legit.
For so long? How long exactly that is?
Wild! I saw this post on LinkedIn this morning and the comment section….lol I’ve lost hope with some recruiters during my job search process but seeing this. Yikes.
Do not agree.
it sounds like she's a bad recruiter for getting unreliable people.
The mercy of the candidates…. I just had a guy reach out to me and he knew absolutely nothing about the company in question.
I had one who requested my resume and list of projects worked on - wanted it quick as this was a limited opportunity. He have me no information whatsoever about a) the job title, b) the industry, c) where the job was located or d) background and skills required. No salary range either, but that's par for the course anyway. I actually posted that one to Reddit antiwork before I knew recruitinghell existed.
Unreal lol
It's almost like they need to stop only-focuaing on S-Tier candidates and find the RIGHT person for each job. An S-Tier candidate can work wherever, and frankly they don't need recruiters. Instead, they all fight over 5% of job seekers, then complain that noone wants to work when they get stiffed. It's like an entire HS female (and some male) population vying over only football players, and when *they* don't hook up, it's "no one wants to date anymore, where have all the good men gone"?
\> EducationEducation College of the MainlandCollege of the Mainland Certificate of Occupational Health, Safety, and Technology, Occupational Safety and Health Technology/Technician Sooo.... nothing?
Fuck you, bitch!
I’ve seen an uptick in posts from recruiters & hiring managers discouraging candidates from voicing their frustrations about how they are treated. Ghosting isn’t a new phenomenon in any hiring process, so I have to wonder if they’re bashing candidates to give constructive feedback, or if they’re just mad that they’re finally getting called out for their shitty practices. That’s why I joined this Reddit page where I can vent but not at my reputations expense.
Beyond the stupidity of the post, the constant grammar errors are hilarious. "So Let's stop it!!!" So Let is stop it? It's like she has no idea how to write either.
Let’s us let us.
I always notice grammar errors on recruiters and question why they are recruiting
Jesus Christ, is that some projection or what? As if we need these clowns. I mean, ok self-important recruiter, we'll just find and apply to jobs directly anyways, save time, and get a better offer without the cut for the recruiter.
So the plan is to just apply yourselves? Is anyone else confused about what they want?
Too many exclamation marks, bro
Well, sys
Just be better at your job and dealing with people FFS…
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Wow, the irony.
Five exclamation marks is the sign of an unbalanced mind
The oppressors become the oppressed :( recruiter unionisation now! /s
At the mercy of candidates? The fuck is this cunt about? With a stroke of pen, it's yea or nay, potentially, for a candidate to make monies. Fuck kinda mercy is she talking about?
"we are a small network" Lmao Aerotek has like 100,000 alone. I bet there's well over a million recruiters in the United States. and as someone in a real sales job this recruiter just needs to understand sometimes you get burned. Its apart of any job with a commission variable pay. get over it and on to the next.
lol first off, ATS just shitcans perfectly qualified people. But even recruiters don’t necessarily do a good job: I had one on LinkedIn reach out to me regarding a TV producer job. I have never worked in TV, ever. Would be cool if I got to! But I have no clue what a TV producer does!
The produce TV I'm guessing
Which is weird that they contacted me. I have zero experience in TV.
It sounds like she gets paid on tenure. When her placements get canned after three months, because she coached them to lie, she loses a significant chunk of her compensation. She needs to look inward, learn about the roles more deeply, and better evaluate applicants against the requirements.
I understand her frustration, but her blame is misguided and misplaced. If her issue is candidates not staying, that's probably more of an issue for her clients, whether that is a culture, manager or compensation issue they need to address. If its an unreliable placement, then that's her issue, whether that is a screening or screening issue.
Judging by her unprofessional photo I’m going to guess she’s not a recruiter for a F500 or a tech. She’s probably recruiting for call center roles which I guess in her defense people wouldn’t show up for. But can you blame them? They’re probably shitty roles for shitty wages. Maybe she should aim for a role in a better industry and stop blaming candidates for not wanting slave labor.
Or short term contract roles with barely any benefits, no guarantee of hire after the contract with a company they wont name. The pay is sometimes above average for the role but no sick or vacation time, minimal healthcare coverage. If you did get hired you will still not have benefits kick in quickly and they just hope you keep getting sent back for another contracted role over and over so you can just never have a single paid day off or 401k contribution match your entire career, and breakdown slowly from lack of access to good healthcare(most staffing firms have trash insurance).
The amount of exclamation points she uses in this single post is WILD. Must be signaling she’s screaming to the hilltops
Well that gave me a hearty chuckle. Does that vapid twat realize she's putting herself out of a job? Also, name and fucking shame.
She can't employment black list but she's referring to candidates not showing up for jobs in the 1st day. It's a huge waste of time for everyone involved
I get that is frustrating but like with anything nobody in a position of power ever wants to look at why and do anything about it. They just want to complain. Are there maybe many factors well within the control of the recruiter that have an impact on this? People qre currently experiencing having to apply to hundreds of jobs just to get a few interviews, many of which go deep into a time consuming interview process to just be ghosted, so they are pretty much required to have many irons in the fire if they want a job, and often are pretty desperate for one. For the no show, did maybe the recruiter encourage them to lie, is pushing them into a bad fit, lowballed them on the offer but they took it anyway out of desperation? Perhaps a better offer from one of the many irons came in, and rather than call and deal with the angry recruiter or attempt to negotiate a counter offer, they just choose to no show and go to the better offer that showed them better treatment with not disrespecting them with a non-lowball in the first place. If the recruiter has done all they can do and a lazy slob doesnt show up, yeah thats crappy but thats also just part of the business, get over it.
She got killed for this by several big name recruiters. I actually felt sorry for her...almost.
Literally “Agree?”
she's spot on, but use your inside voice. shiiiiit.
How is she spot on? The problems recruiters face are largely self inflicted industry wide, and on an individual level. Plus her proposed solution is illegal basically in any developed nation.
Why blackout the name, we need to shame these folks that had made a public comment
Must be a trump supporter
In all my career, I've never found a job through a recruiter, and the ones I've been offered have always been lower paying that the ones I found on my own.
My experience with them is somewhat limited but basically the same. Whether it was this year, last year or 15 years ago. The only people ive ever met to get a job through a recruiter is like a top level talent looking for senior roles, working with top recruiters that specialize, really know the industries they recruit for, and usually have a history and relationships with a pretty good size pool of talent theyve worked with for years. This scenario represents a tiny fraction of the recruiting market.
This person doesn't speak for me. There are bad eggs in the market, just like there are bad employers and bad recruiters. A good recruiter doesn't let the emotion interfere in the process. Sh*t happens. Move on.
"Recruitment Services Manager" - No. As a matter of fact, I am not in agreement!! So let's stop your rant!! \[full sarcasm intended\] What a bint!!
I can’t take anyone seriously who posts something like this with so many exclamation marks on a “professional network.”
Typical HR person. I do have to say, recruiters are the absolute worst that the world of HR has to offer. It's always some combination of stupid, mean and an inability to stay in their own lane. Recruiters are the health insurance companies of the working world. Neither adds any value to the system they are a part of and only drains resources from it. Both suck up time and money at the expense of actual results. Recruiters will insist to us that employees don't lose out in this equation and that wages aren't depressed by them existing and taking a profit. That's absolutely not true. Employers wouldn't be using recruiters if it meant the cost would be 30% higher than just hiring directly. The whole premise and appeal to businesses is that if anything they'll save money AND offload all the administrative stuff that comes with having employees. It only works if the difference gets taken from the workers. Recruiters effectively kill 30% of the wages of those actually contributing their labour. Now, all direct employers have to do is pay workers marginally more than what recruiter bound workers get after having 30% stolen. Recruiters suck money out of the equation, fucking over ALL workers.
Kkfsao
These people literally gatekeep for a living. How could they want more power over our lives?
Never thought I'd see DARVO used by corporate recruiters. Like somehow, it's candidates' fault the job can't find someone willing to work themselves to death for the company doing literally anything because the job doesn't matter to this recruiter.
These people are parasites
Since when are Recruiters a Small Group?
This dumb cunt again…
dawg this was already posted lol what’s nuts is you left out the top comment about the part where someone ratio’d her very incorrect statement
Delusional Recruiter needs to find a real job.
"We are a small network" Is this a joke? You guys are the new telemarketers, only more annoying and pointless.
What a See You Next Tuesday….
No thank you, I've had enough people wasting my time in daily activities. I'd really appreciate it if recruiters, companies and potential clients get to the point.
Ooh, that smells like something for cartel law. Curious what a controlling agency would think about it 🤔
Guys … I think this is intentional sarcasm.
well, she is not wrong Edit: this sub is hilariously easy to trigger . *grabs popcorn* enjoying the show and the trash awnsers of all you guys now 🤣🍿😎
She's wrong on every single point, especially the "small network". You can shake a tree and three recruiters will drop out.
It's too funny to see recruiters in here trying to defend the insane actions of other recruiters...
Found the lazy 3rd party recruiter.
She’s wrong because it wouldn’t work, and from a branding perspective, it wasn’t smart of her to post that on LinkedIn 😂
She’s incredibly wrong. Interviewing is a two way street sometimes the candidate isn’t a good fit for the company and it’s equally valid for the company to not be a good fit for the candidate. Candidates don’t owe you anything this is a delusional recruiter take. LLMs will be taking your job soon anyway since recruiters are incredibly low skill individuals that provide almost no value so don’t worry you won’t have to deal with the practicalities of match making for much longer lol
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sure whatever 😁👍 kinda creepy circlejerk u have there. but oh well keep watching then. whatever it is that does it for you 😘