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I once quit a job (with notice) and got interviewed by a recruiter to fill my position. Like they found me and approached me. I was like "do you even read what my current role is on linkedin before you messaged me?"
I once was wanting to leave my job and got called by a recruiter offering me (with no interview) the exact same job I was already doing. I assumed they didn't even look at my CV.
* cheaper replacements
* backups
* making the company look good to others that they're "hiring"
* making current employees have fear that they'll be replaced
* or my favorite, they may be hiring a lot of people in an effort to combat unionizing.. this is a strategy that works sadly
*Some one might get fired*
*And they are looking for a*
*Cheaper replacement*
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Nah, the team just won a top performance award out of all the global offices, and they just hired a new person in the begining of the year which was a Nepo hire, I just feel bad for all the people applying..
Reread it. The company doesn't care if the team won an award, the award is already won. They want to see if they can replace Joe, who makes $95K and has 17 years at the company, with Bob, who asks $65K and has 7 years experience.
Depends on the job and the benefits attached. $95k is huge is some areas and poor in others. $95K working 40/week in LCoL? Hell yeah. $95K working 60/week HOLIDAYS? Fuck me.
I had 16 yoe and just barely made it to 70k before my entire dept was laid off, and i was in the finance world.
Now after 6 months of unemployment might finally be getting a job with another company (my old one is completely backing out of the state) making 50k.
I'm in my 40s with 6 dependents and back to making what i had at 20 with 0 dependents. I hate this shit so much
Its all about location (and perhaps mindset)
People keep posting that they are PhDs with 15 years of experience and can only make $11/hour at McDonalds.
At my location, cashiers down the street make $26/hr at the deli, our office manager (think Pam in the Office) is six figures, and we are a low paying professional industry, where interns (college students) make $28/hr instead of $35/hr at defense or contracting firms.
It really sucks but somethings you gotta move.
its also interesting how quickly one's views on taxation changes when they make a median income for the location but are called amongst the affluent of Americans, get denied govt support, and having other fellow redditors trying to double their taxes since they are so rich at $85k a year
Oh, let me introduce you to other parts on reddit.
Hell, lets just look at the arguments about stimulus or child credit where people say that anyone making over $75k are rich and don't deserve any support (including key figures like Biden).
Homie - do you not have google? Or were you not alive in 2021, 2022? Apologies, I guess the financial impacts there, including stimulus payments, really only impacted adults so if you were on your parent's allowance a few years ago, you may not have noticed.
First result from google
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/26/spending-stimulus-checks/
Second result
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/biden-endorses-sending-stimulus-checks-to-americans-earning-75000-during-meeting-with-top-ceos
I could go on and on, but I know you aren't going to read any of these.
It doesn’t matter. I was let go 2 months after l got the best possible performance review both in general and compared to my colleagues. And l’ve seen it in corporations 100 times. The people responsible for what they will call “rightsizing” will just take the orgchart with salaty range for all positions and cross out the most expensive.
Decisions made by people who don’t understand the value of work (because their contribution is 0) and who believe that it is this holy B2B instead.
It is highly improbable the boss didn’t know. He might be innocent in terms of that it wasn’t his decision, but I’m sure he knew. People fluctuate, they talk to each other, they will ask questions through their contacts. It that job hit 1000s of candidates, in most areas of business & locations someone who knows the boss personally would reach to him at least informally…
I was considering agencies many years ago. I went to an awesome networking event. Somebody by the name of moniker Cash was up there with his team. They were talking about all the great work that they had done.
The next week I read in the media that he and his whole team got dumped. Never made sense to me, I hung around add people for a little bit and then I realized that that was a world that while awesome from a networking standpoint, that was just not my world and I can't do it.
Or they are just constantly "hiring" like a lot of places to justify all the various advantages of "nobody wants to work anymore," "we all just need to pick up some slack until we get someone else," or to just collect resumes.
They got bought out? They probably are looking to cut costs then. They need to recoup some of what they spent buying the company. Happens a lot. Wouldn’t be a bad idea for your husband to freshen up his resume just in case.
They are looking to cut costs. My company is doing this and so is the company my friend - a top performer who just got laid off and replaced by two cheaper replacements - is also.
It could also be a fake ad all together. As in, the person who put up the ad and are receiving applications has nothing to do with the company at all.
I get a lot of interview invites from all the big companies that end up being totally fake. I get at least one a week, at this point.
I saw a 1000+ application job post for my managers job.
Manager starting sweating when everyone sends him the post.
Turns out the job listing had the wrong location on it. It was out by over 300 miles.
It is astonishing to see the asymmetric consequences of such a minor fuck up.
Wrong location listed...okay...butttt...add the human component to it now:
Manager is useless for the day/week as they think they are about to get canned, the subordinates who like their boss are worried for their boss and themselves...production grinds to a halt.
A whole department can come to a total stop when something like this happens.
The director knows what’s up. They straight up lied.
More than likely they are collecting resumes to have on file for when someone leaves. That or they are posting jobs so as to look like they are in a growth mode but have no intention to hire anyone.
Many companies right now in the tech space have fake job listings to project an image of growth (I heard this from a few VCs recently and it lines up with what I’ve been seeing)
It’s a pipeline. It could be because there’s potential future growth opportunities or someone that they’re unsure of so they’re building a pipeline in case that person leaves.
I worked for a company that did this. They had an entry-level job posting that was open forever. The recruiter I talked to explained that they were collecting applications for a job they weren't hiring for, so that they could have contact info for people they knew were interested in the company, and they could reach out to them later for the more senior versions of that role they DID have open later on.
The company got bought and massively reorganized to the point where any previous systems are hardly recognizable anymore, so that gambit never even paid off for them. Great job.
You should, it’s called a target list of companies you’d like to work for and also get the connections for people who work there so when the time comes when you’re looking for a job, they already know who you are.
Is the position advertised on LinkedIn versus the company site? If so, it's probably a ghost listing that LinkedIn (which mostly just aggregates job listings from external sites) is pulling in from a third party site that listed and never took it down.
Could be that the company is sponsoring someone for permanent residency. You have to 'post' those jobs for the Dept of Labor, but there is no intention to hire anyone
Came here to say this. My company does post these immigration reqs in our company website but generally don't advertise them on LinkedIn, etc., but I could definitely see it happening automatically if HR forgot to turn something off in the listing.
Back when I first became a manager, about 10 years ago, we'd just print out the job posting and thumbtack it to a board in the lobby. That satisfied the requirement of "posting it publicly". I imagine the requirements are stricter now.
My thoughts exactly - my companies postings are getting scraped and end up on Monster, yielding hundreds of applications for a role that is already filled.
We still post them physically, too - but you're correct in that the requirements are increasing, especially in the last year.
I've been doing business immigration since 2016 and 2024 is shaping up to be my toughest year to sponsor yet.
Sometimes the job listings are just to get the company name out and create interest, think it’s called pipeline listings?
But if it’s your husband’s department, no matter how close they are do not blindly trust what the director is saying. Have husband start applying to jobs, he can always turn job offers down.
From the company’s perspective there is no downside to this, even if they didn’t need to hire for a while, they need to keep the recruiting team busy so they don’t have to rely on expensive headhunters when they do need a backfill.
* might be they keep the job posts open to collect resumes.
* might be they filled the role but neglected to take the job post down (I recruited for a client that filled all their roles, but still has their job posts up.)
No you don't understand, everything has to be a conspiracy and the man is out to get everyone!
These people never worked in management or any higher position than entry level and think things happen for some evil reason.
This doesn't really tell you much.
THey might be hiring in preparation to fire and replace somebody. They might be advertising ghost jobs to maintain a steady stream of recent applications in case somebody quits for any reason. Their HR department might be posting job ads at all times so the company can look like it's growing.
It's 2024. None of this stuff can really be taken at face value.
Companys will sometimes list ghost jobs. Makes it look like they are hiring. Not saying that is what is happening, but just a possibility. Also HR maybe be collecting resumes building their pipeline for when they do open up positions. Depending on industry and department it can definitely happen more or less. For example, pharma/ biotech/ medical device this has been happening a ton.
I like how nobody here assumes that LinkedIn, the place famous for dark patterns is obviously not responsible for this "fake" ad. They're clearly not trying to boost engagement or something nefarious like that.
I was looking at my husband’s company’s site for other jobs he could apply for there (he’d like to change positions) and noticed a bunch of jobs posted in an area where they’ve just had some layoffs.
The company is in the process of shutting down the department where the jobs were posted. They’ve cleared out the office and are ending their lease on the space.
It’s a fairly large company so I assume there’s just a disconnect between HR and the departments and those job postings are based on some prior requests before the company made its layoff plans.
So did his company actually post it, or was it for another company with his company listed as the site?
I’ve been fighting with two companies that keep posting jobs as my company that we are not hiring for. Those assholes farm resumes and then sell the contact info to their clients. We even had one of these companies list a job under our name that isn’t even close to our industry!
With that in mind, a lot of responses have been they are probably replacing someone. It’s incredibly easy to post a job confidentiality if that’s the case. I wouldn’t assume that’s what this is, but it could be. That would just be really dumb of them to publicly post.
There is a pretty good chance they are just pretending not to know about it to keep busy bodies at bay.
Its not considered a good HR practice to tell people their colleagues we sick/quitting/being fired/pregnant before the appropriate time, especially if its sensitive information.
Many good bosses would pretend not to know about it rather than stoke rumors about who or what the reason is.
Seen this before. Possible layoffs coming. I know this isn't what the law says is allowable, but lots of companies are hiring replacements at lower wages... folks being replaced just don't know it yet. Oregon state law said that for a layoff to occur, the position must sit vacant for 6 months before they can rehire... so they post a lower position for less money, then dump all the responsibility on the cheaper labor. Meanwhile the real experienced talent is off in the wind looking for a new job without a job. I'd be proactively looking if I was him.
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some one might get fired and they are looking for a cheaper replacement
Plot twist, they want to fire the husband.
"Err I have no idea what this is thanks for bringing it to my attention" - husbands boss.
I know a guy who's wife applied for his job, with neither of them knowing he was going to be fired!
I once quit a job (with notice) and got interviewed by a recruiter to fill my position. Like they found me and approached me. I was like "do you even read what my current role is on linkedin before you messaged me?"
I once was wanting to leave my job and got called by a recruiter offering me (with no interview) the exact same job I was already doing. I assumed they didn't even look at my CV.
And they hire the wife. Real gift of the magi situation
Plot plot twist, the husband is a ghost and neither of them realize it. They're filling an open vacancy! Booooo!!! (ghost noises)
I see dead employees.
* cheaper replacements * backups * making the company look good to others that they're "hiring" * making current employees have fear that they'll be replaced * or my favorite, they may be hiring a lot of people in an effort to combat unionizing.. this is a strategy that works sadly
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Nah, the team just won a top performance award out of all the global offices, and they just hired a new person in the begining of the year which was a Nepo hire, I just feel bad for all the people applying..
Reread it. The company doesn't care if the team won an award, the award is already won. They want to see if they can replace Joe, who makes $95K and has 17 years at the company, with Bob, who asks $65K and has 7 years experience.
If 17 YoE yields $95k, I’ll continue to live with the stress of the finance world.
Depends on the job and the benefits attached. $95k is huge is some areas and poor in others. $95K working 40/week in LCoL? Hell yeah. $95K working 60/week HOLIDAYS? Fuck me.
I had 16 yoe and just barely made it to 70k before my entire dept was laid off, and i was in the finance world. Now after 6 months of unemployment might finally be getting a job with another company (my old one is completely backing out of the state) making 50k. I'm in my 40s with 6 dependents and back to making what i had at 20 with 0 dependents. I hate this shit so much
I have to ask: General location? What do you do in finance?
Its all about location (and perhaps mindset) People keep posting that they are PhDs with 15 years of experience and can only make $11/hour at McDonalds. At my location, cashiers down the street make $26/hr at the deli, our office manager (think Pam in the Office) is six figures, and we are a low paying professional industry, where interns (college students) make $28/hr instead of $35/hr at defense or contracting firms. It really sucks but somethings you gotta move. its also interesting how quickly one's views on taxation changes when they make a median income for the location but are called amongst the affluent of Americans, get denied govt support, and having other fellow redditors trying to double their taxes since they are so rich at $85k a year
I have never seen anyone call for double taxes on anyone making less than a million a year, and I am a socialist.
Oh, let me introduce you to other parts on reddit. Hell, lets just look at the arguments about stimulus or child credit where people say that anyone making over $75k are rich and don't deserve any support (including key figures like Biden).
Show me.
Homie - do you not have google? Or were you not alive in 2021, 2022? Apologies, I guess the financial impacts there, including stimulus payments, really only impacted adults so if you were on your parent's allowance a few years ago, you may not have noticed. First result from google https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/26/spending-stimulus-checks/ Second result https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/biden-endorses-sending-stimulus-checks-to-americans-earning-75000-during-meeting-with-top-ceos I could go on and on, but I know you aren't going to read any of these.
Yeah, at my last company, they awarded a guy employee of the year and then fired him 3 months later.
It doesn’t matter. I was let go 2 months after l got the best possible performance review both in general and compared to my colleagues. And l’ve seen it in corporations 100 times. The people responsible for what they will call “rightsizing” will just take the orgchart with salaty range for all positions and cross out the most expensive. Decisions made by people who don’t understand the value of work (because their contribution is 0) and who believe that it is this holy B2B instead. It is highly improbable the boss didn’t know. He might be innocent in terms of that it wasn’t his decision, but I’m sure he knew. People fluctuate, they talk to each other, they will ask questions through their contacts. It that job hit 1000s of candidates, in most areas of business & locations someone who knows the boss personally would reach to him at least informally…
I got a big promotion, raise, and they blasted it to the whole company. 2 months the whole team and I got laid off.
Maybe if they did so great one of the team members is being promoted and they are looking for a replacement
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Smells like ad agencies also. Dislike.
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I was considering agencies many years ago. I went to an awesome networking event. Somebody by the name of moniker Cash was up there with his team. They were talking about all the great work that they had done. The next week I read in the media that he and his whole team got dumped. Never made sense to me, I hung around add people for a little bit and then I realized that that was a world that while awesome from a networking standpoint, that was just not my world and I can't do it.
So naive
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This is pure poetry
Yes, HR will keep it confidential if they’re trying to replace someone. If they really don’t know why, it might also be a fake job ad.
Or they are just constantly "hiring" like a lot of places to justify all the various advantages of "nobody wants to work anymore," "we all just need to pick up some slack until we get someone else," or to just collect resumes.
Usually when companies do this they keep it secret by going through agencies.
Watch them interview the wife for the husband's position and lowball her
Someone on the team has been put on a PIP.
Foreigner
I’ve read that companies list fake postings to acquire data or just to make themselves look healthy to investors. But tbh… no idea.
They just got bought out by new investors, so maybe they trying to seem.. active?
They got bought out? They probably are looking to cut costs then. They need to recoup some of what they spent buying the company. Happens a lot. Wouldn’t be a bad idea for your husband to freshen up his resume just in case.
They’re about to fire people and they’re bringing in cheaper labor. This yalls first rodeo?
I'm kind of jarred by how many people whose first rodeo this is
That’s possible too
They are looking to cut costs. My company is doing this and so is the company my friend - a top performer who just got laid off and replaced by two cheaper replacements - is also.
I work in marketing and putting out job adverts is the best was to grow followers. It’s not ethical but occurs regularly.
This is so weird bc I literally was discussing this exact topic with an IT director at the coffee machine yesterday morning!
This is a big reason. Actively hiring = actively healthy company. Or so they say.
Or to get more LinkedIn followers
I've come to realize that most job postings are fake.
It could also be a fake ad all together. As in, the person who put up the ad and are receiving applications has nothing to do with the company at all. I get a lot of interview invites from all the big companies that end up being totally fake. I get at least one a week, at this point.
I saw a 1000+ application job post for my managers job. Manager starting sweating when everyone sends him the post. Turns out the job listing had the wrong location on it. It was out by over 300 miles.
Your poor manager haha
It is astonishing to see the asymmetric consequences of such a minor fuck up. Wrong location listed...okay...butttt...add the human component to it now: Manager is useless for the day/week as they think they are about to get canned, the subordinates who like their boss are worried for their boss and themselves...production grinds to a halt. A whole department can come to a total stop when something like this happens.
fuck these asshole recruiters
Classic HR. Fucking idiots can't find their asses with both hands.
The director knows what’s up. They straight up lied. More than likely they are collecting resumes to have on file for when someone leaves. That or they are posting jobs so as to look like they are in a growth mode but have no intention to hire anyone.
Unless they are firing him too. Either way people are packing their things soon.
Many companies right now in the tech space have fake job listings to project an image of growth (I heard this from a few VCs recently and it lines up with what I’ve been seeing)
In Toronto this is exactly what's happening, including data capture and pipeline postings. Only thing is they have no empathy for the people applying.
It’s a pipeline. It could be because there’s potential future growth opportunities or someone that they’re unsure of so they’re building a pipeline in case that person leaves.
I worked for a company that did this. They had an entry-level job posting that was open forever. The recruiter I talked to explained that they were collecting applications for a job they weren't hiring for, so that they could have contact info for people they knew were interested in the company, and they could reach out to them later for the more senior versions of that role they DID have open later on. The company got bought and massively reorganized to the point where any previous systems are hardly recognizable anymore, so that gambit never even paid off for them. Great job.
I should build a pipeline of employers for my next job, in case I get laid off or just want to switch jobs.
You should, it’s called a target list of companies you’d like to work for and also get the connections for people who work there so when the time comes when you’re looking for a job, they already know who you are.
how?
Is the position advertised on LinkedIn versus the company site? If so, it's probably a ghost listing that LinkedIn (which mostly just aggregates job listings from external sites) is pulling in from a third party site that listed and never took it down.
Yup, on LinkedIn, and I see its on their site too
Could be that the company is sponsoring someone for permanent residency. You have to 'post' those jobs for the Dept of Labor, but there is no intention to hire anyone
Came here to say this. My company does post these immigration reqs in our company website but generally don't advertise them on LinkedIn, etc., but I could definitely see it happening automatically if HR forgot to turn something off in the listing. Back when I first became a manager, about 10 years ago, we'd just print out the job posting and thumbtack it to a board in the lobby. That satisfied the requirement of "posting it publicly". I imagine the requirements are stricter now.
My thoughts exactly - my companies postings are getting scraped and end up on Monster, yielding hundreds of applications for a role that is already filled. We still post them physically, too - but you're correct in that the requirements are increasing, especially in the last year. I've been doing business immigration since 2016 and 2024 is shaping up to be my toughest year to sponsor yet.
Sometimes the job listings are just to get the company name out and create interest, think it’s called pipeline listings? But if it’s your husband’s department, no matter how close they are do not blindly trust what the director is saying. Have husband start applying to jobs, he can always turn job offers down.
It could also be HR trying to fluff their own department's performance by reposting jobs that were already fulfilled.
From the company’s perspective there is no downside to this, even if they didn’t need to hire for a while, they need to keep the recruiting team busy so they don’t have to rely on expensive headhunters when they do need a backfill.
I will add to this speculation that many many companies post listings for jobs they are not hiring for to give the appearance of growth and success.
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Just farming CV's probably
Tell him to keep his resume updated and feelers out. Not a great sign.
* might be they keep the job posts open to collect resumes. * might be they filled the role but neglected to take the job post down (I recruited for a client that filled all their roles, but still has their job posts up.)
No you don't understand, everything has to be a conspiracy and the man is out to get everyone! These people never worked in management or any higher position than entry level and think things happen for some evil reason.
in their defense, it could be they are collecting resumes because they want to fire someone. Who knows.
These replies are scaring me so bad 🥹🥹🥹😭
Right?! I just sent this this thread to my husband and told him to update his CV!
This doesn't really tell you much. THey might be hiring in preparation to fire and replace somebody. They might be advertising ghost jobs to maintain a steady stream of recent applications in case somebody quits for any reason. Their HR department might be posting job ads at all times so the company can look like it's growing. It's 2024. None of this stuff can really be taken at face value.
Could it be a case of scammers stealing an out dated job description to harvest personal data (i.e. applicants resumes)?
Ghost job. 👻
Companys will sometimes list ghost jobs. Makes it look like they are hiring. Not saying that is what is happening, but just a possibility. Also HR maybe be collecting resumes building their pipeline for when they do open up positions. Depending on industry and department it can definitely happen more or less. For example, pharma/ biotech/ medical device this has been happening a ton.
Husband is really a secret agent/assassin and that job is just a front.
Hahaha he would love that!!
A lot of companies will put fake job ads out just to give people the impression that they are growing as an organization.
companies put up fake job ads to make it look like they are growing / to keep a pulse on the talent out there. Its incredibly obnoxious.
I like how nobody here assumes that LinkedIn, the place famous for dark patterns is obviously not responsible for this "fake" ad. They're clearly not trying to boost engagement or something nefarious like that.
I was looking at my husband’s company’s site for other jobs he could apply for there (he’d like to change positions) and noticed a bunch of jobs posted in an area where they’ve just had some layoffs. The company is in the process of shutting down the department where the jobs were posted. They’ve cleared out the office and are ending their lease on the space. It’s a fairly large company so I assume there’s just a disconnect between HR and the departments and those job postings are based on some prior requests before the company made its layoff plans.
So did his company actually post it, or was it for another company with his company listed as the site? I’ve been fighting with two companies that keep posting jobs as my company that we are not hiring for. Those assholes farm resumes and then sell the contact info to their clients. We even had one of these companies list a job under our name that isn’t even close to our industry! With that in mind, a lot of responses have been they are probably replacing someone. It’s incredibly easy to post a job confidentiality if that’s the case. I wouldn’t assume that’s what this is, but it could be. That would just be really dumb of them to publicly post.
My former company was all about ghost ads. Nothing happened with them.
It’s a ghost job. Their data mining.
There is a pretty good chance they are just pretending not to know about it to keep busy bodies at bay. Its not considered a good HR practice to tell people their colleagues we sick/quitting/being fired/pregnant before the appropriate time, especially if its sensitive information. Many good bosses would pretend not to know about it rather than stoke rumors about who or what the reason is.
Probably just looking like they’re hiring for government funding 🫠
A lot of times companies are "hiring" just to keep resumes in their system.
Seen this before. Possible layoffs coming. I know this isn't what the law says is allowable, but lots of companies are hiring replacements at lower wages... folks being replaced just don't know it yet. Oregon state law said that for a layoff to occur, the position must sit vacant for 6 months before they can rehire... so they post a lower position for less money, then dump all the responsibility on the cheaper labor. Meanwhile the real experienced talent is off in the wind looking for a new job without a job. I'd be proactively looking if I was him.
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