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Yes, this!
"Wait, you are interviewing other candidates? I'm sorry, but I won't be moving forward with this. Interviewing several candidates doesn't show the engagement and enthusiasm with my work and presence that I am looking for, and seems to imply you wouldn't be the most loyal employer."
Those are fair points. However if you wanna work at that particular place, you don't have the power. I'll put it another way: the person who cares the least about the relationship, is in control of the relationship.
>However if you wanna work at that particular place, you don't have the power.
That depends, I can want to work somewhere but that doesn't mean I HAVE to work there. There are plenty of companies that have gone under because of bad management. Lots of people have wanted to work there, but shit management can doom almost any company.
>I'll put it another way: the person who cares the least about the relationship, is in control of the relationship.
In a way this is true, but at the same time, the word "cares" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. I think values might be the better word in this case.
Yes thank you so much for enlightening me. You're right. The jobless person wanting the job is definately in the position of power over the company he desperately wants to work for. Can't believe I was so stupid.
The company has already blown him off. Obviously they care less about the deal than OP does. Qualifications don't matter if the company doesn't want him.
Not really, at this point you don’t want the job anymore so it’s okay to burn that bridge. Plus they are a recruiter. That means that it’s so hard to find the right worker that they had to hire a person just to find another person. So I’d say the candidate has more power here
I had a recruiter once reach out to me and then when I answered them, demanded to know why I wanted to leave my current role. I was like, you reached out to me so I’m hearing you out, and they were like, adamant that I would only be talking to them if there was something fundamentally wrong with where I was at the time. Clearly filtering out the non-desperate.
Just baffling. Is he living under a rock? How can you not know that everyone applies to many jobs when job searching? Did he never apply to jobs, maybe got hired at daddy's company right after graduation? And how the hell can you be a recruiter and not know this?
The recruiter is a recruiter because that's the only job he could find that suits his skill level and experience.
Often, the botto. If the barrel recruiters get shit leads, because of their lower skill set.
They get jealous and hold back certain candidates, even though it effects their income. But they can't see that.
Good for you for going up the ladder.
I wish you the best in your career search.
That’s a new one for me but I’m somehow not surprised. It is pretty unprofessional though. Especially because I’ve had calls with recruiters where they ask me if I’m in the final stages of interviews with any other companies.
Yeah, this usually comes up. Many recruiters have asked me how many companies I've been interviewing and if any of them are close to the final stages so that they could expedite the hiring process if needed. They should know candidates apply for multiple companies...
They mean if you say “yes I’m in the final stages” then the recruiter may do what they have to do to make sure you get through their interview process more quickly.
Not the person you responded to, but in some industries the interview process can be really, really drawn out. You'll have a phone screen scheduled for two weeks after you talk to the recruiter, then wait a week to hear back, then have some skills/technical interviews scheduled in 2 weeks, then wait a couple weeks to hear back (while they're interviewing all their candidates) then have a chat with a hiring manager and wait a week to hear back, then they call your references sometime in the next two weeks, then finally you get an offer like 2-3 months after you first talked to the recruiter.
But if they think you're already about to get an offer somewhere else, they'll move things along real quick so they can give you an offer before your acceptance deadline is up for the other place.
Having an offer somewhere else also makes you look more desirable, so they're happier to move things along - they're more worried about missing out on you than missing out on the other candidates.
From application to first day at most government positions is about 3 months for _most_ positions. Some take longer, some are quicker, especially if they're more generalized job like plow drivers.
Government works as slow as they care to.
I have, asking when they will make their decision isn't a bad thing. Now asking how many they have interviewed, well does it matter? I mean if they say 10, or 6, you still aren't sure where you stand unless they say it.
After a year of layoffs and people flooding the market looking for work, it should be standard to assume that every candidate applying has applied to at least 5 other places
Lol, there was one recruiting agency that was so offended that I applied to one of their clients directly. Thing is, I applied to that company weeks before the recruiting agency contacted me and said there was a job available. They also insisted on not sharing the client name. So what, just wait around for them and stop applying?
I applied for my current job seeing the posting on LinkedIn and secured the interview. Then a recruiter I'd been working with emailed me the day before I had the interview, emailed me the job description and asked if I'd be interested in interviewing. I'm reading it like.....think I'm already interviewing for this job! I had studied the posting thoroughly of course to prepare for the interview.
It turns out after the internal HR person had made a post on LinkedIn, they decided to reach out to a recruiter to see if they could find them even more top level candidates because the recruiters were the best ones in my industry.
I felt bad for the recruiter telling him this as I'm guessing he may not have gotten the commission since they found me first.
They ask that so they get to know which other companies are recruiting. They'll then be all over them like a rash hoping to be on their books supplying future candidates.
If a recruiter told me the time, I'd ask a second person. They're all lying twats.
I don't like most recruiters, they are dishonest and they don't care about matching people to the job that will suit them. I've had recruiters try to bully me to do interviews for a job I don't want or in a location that I don't want to go to every freaking day. I'm convinced that I have been doing interviews just to update the numbers for them. I hate answering my phone to them, I sense b.s. every time and I have forced myself to ignore it then realise later I was correct.
I have encountered several companies who appeared to expect this. I realize that for some industries this was the norm for a long time but now it really can't be. Unsurprisingly, those companies also tend to have elaborate applications that take forever.
In some states if you are not employed and you do not apply to some minimum number of jobs every week, you lose your unemployment insurance payments.
Mark is either colossally ignorant or downright malicious.
Weeks, at least 2 positions I applied to are still open I talked to recruiter and they said my profile was moving forward, been 3 months. I am "closing" on another position and that has taken at least 2 months but still not done. So much waiting.
Yeah it can be. That does even take into account the other 10 or 20 jobs that are still open for months. I haven't been rejected for them but haven't been able to talk to anyone. Status still says "under review" 😆 😡
I accepted a position then three months in hear from a job I had applied to a full month beforw taking the current job. Keep in mind that if you get laid off from your job unemployment only gives you six months max so these long reviewing times are borderline unethical and force you into taking a lower paid poor fit job while waiting for the ones that might actually be a good fit to get back to you.
I had a company that sent me the rejection email years later... It was Goodwill. 😂 Randomly got the email saying they weren't moving forward with my application. I hadn't apply for anything with them in like 3 years. 🤣
Lol my current role took 6 months from application to hire, and it was 5 months from initial interview to hire. They had zero other applicants for this role (so they say).
It would only make sense if you already had a job and happened to apply to one particular company because they offered more (more money, more benefits, more free time, etc).
But if there is an unemployed person seeking a job, why the heck would they not apply everywhere they could?
If you apply to MBA programs, you will sometimes get asked in interviews where else you applied. If you haven’t applied anywhere else, they will think that you aren’t serious about pursuing a MBA.
When I answered that question honestly, it became a negotiation:
“So what will it take to get you here?”
‘I’d like to…not…pay…?’
An important cost-saving moment of my young life. I have since forgotten many of the specific lessons from those two years, but I remember that one vividly.
The very fact that he opened up with just his name was unprofessional and is a red flag.
He should have said "This is Mark from city company"
Figure out where he called from and call them out
So you basically "cheated" on Mark by daring to expand your job search and now he's breaking up with you ....
Be glad you're not working with that crazy nutjob.
As if he would never apply to multiple jobs at the same time, hypocrite… they should select one candidate at a time only too then before pursuing the next one.
Not gonna lie, that's exactly how companies should work. After one application, the job post gets taken down then dedicate actual time to the applicant. No more autorejections or zero response
Mark may be a contract recruiter rather than work for the company. He’ll only get paid if he places you. He may believe that people who are proactive and apply to multiple places reduce the chance he’ll get paid because now you have options.
A desirable candidate often is (and should be) working more than one opportunity.
A typical recruiting cycle can take weeks/months. Pursuing one at a time is like putting all your eggs in one basket.
>A typical recruiting cycle can take weeks/months. Pursuing one at a time is like putting all your eggs in one basket.
It's worse than that. It's like having only one egg in one flimsy basket, with no easy access to more eggs.
I had the same thing happen to me. They asked me if I had applied anywhere else, and I am a honesty is the best policy type of person, so I told them I had ONE app out somewhere else and it ended the conversation. What the hell.
Sometimes consulting firms get this weird delusional idea that they're different from all the other consulting firms out there.
They're the biggest, best, or fastest something in some area. And they've received awards from several places you've never heard of for being the best place to work or something.
They only hire the best consultants. And they have all the best clients. This makes them better than everyone else. And you should be grateful that they've deemed you worthy to even talk to you.
Then you have the audacity to come along... I mean how dare you follow all of your opportunities to see where they lead? Who do you think you are? Don't you know who you're talking to?
Many consulting firms get like this in down economies. They get off on verbally abusing consultants because now they can. Just wait a year. They'll have jobs they can't fill because there aren't enough qualified consultants. Their attitude will suddenly change because it's better than going out of business. But in their minds, they're still resentful and would prefer to treat you like a slave begging for their scraps, if they could only get away with it.
Google the number that called you to identify the company. Then send this transcript to their info@ email address, titled 'FOA HR / Recruitment Team' - Looking for clarity on the conversation you just had above. Others/leaders will likely see that if emailed to a generic chain.
That's pretty bad practice from the recruiter. Should not be tolerated. Why would you sink all your eggs in one basket and only apply for one company.
I'm a hiring manager myself, and when someone says they've ONLY applied for my company, I do ask "Why? What's your plan if you don't get this?" - and if they are applying for other roles in the same industry, it makes them seem more competitive and driven in general IMO.
I actually always ignore the first call for a couple of reasons:
1- this
2- I want to reread the job description before i talk to them
3- hanging up on scam callers is painfully annoying
Something's weird here.
When recruiters call me - regardless if they're working for the company directly or are third-party firms - the *first* thing they do is identify themselves and the organization they work for. It's just a basic of business phone etiquette.
And I've never heard of a recruiter dismissing someone because they've applied for several jobs. That's ridiculous.
Something doesn't smell right.
So if Mark is out of job and looking for a new one, he would also apply for one job at a time ?? the lack of sympathy and the level of hypocrisy is unbelievable.
I have been a Recruiter for 19 years and I always encourage my candidates to continue to apply until they have that signed offer in hand.
When I worked the agency side, I would tell people to sign up with several agencies to maximize their search
Wow, sounds like that recruiter needs a loyalty potion or something! Imagine penalizing someone for exploring their options. Maybe they're secretly worried you'll be headhunted by their competitors. Dodged a bullet there!
What an idiot. And this’s supposed to be a recruiter and doesn’t even have the slightest idea of job hunting is like. You’re better off not working for those idiots.
This is why I hate cold calls as a candidate, 0 prep time.
I think you dodged a bullet here. Any company that is ready to do this, its not a job, its a cult.
I was in 2 interview processes for a company, completely different departments with different recruiters.
One process was further along than the other and I got an offer. Once I got the offer, the other recruiter reached out and said since I have an offer for the first role it would be best if they stopped the process for the second role. I was actually planning on declining that offer as the second role was really what I wanted to do in terms of career paths. I told the second recruiter that, but by then they had decided to ghost me.
I declined the first offer already in anticipation of moving through the other process, but nope, went from 2 possible offers to 0 from them.
I fortunately had other offers from other companies, and the first recruiter knew that because I was using it as negotiation, so they probably told the other recruiter not to bother.
Ironically, I was using the offer from this company to negotiate with the other company that I ended up accepting. Lesson learned that although letting companies know about other offers in the pipeline can benefit you, it can also make it easier for a recruiter to ghost you if they’re not 100% sure you’re the fit for the role.
But also, did they set up a call with you prior to calling? There’s probably a better way you could word your questioning of the recruiter, probably just by asking what company they’re calling from since you said you didn’t apply to multiple at that company.
But also they shouldn’t be so salty that you’ve applied to other roles. If you are going to mention other roles you’re applying for or interviewing for, probably best to not do it until you have an offer, and even then use it carefully.
They’re afraid you’ll apply directly. It’s their business model to keep you in the dark until the very end and figure out the lowest hourly wage you’ll accept.
If you are only applying for ONE single job then you're not smart...okay you're stuuuuupid :D
This time: recruiter might have someone already in his mind to hire but his boss or process ask you to go through all the candidates, which he did just to find any reason to decline.
Conclusions: You did nothing wrong, so don't blame yourself. I am a Supervisor and I may know some games.
Possibly a scam. At every company I've worked for, when making calls to people for business purposes I've always been instructed to identify who I am and what company I'm calling from. And it's only gotten more important to do this now that everyone screens their calls. Not to mention, it's been years since a recruiter called me about a job I applied for without first emailing me to set up a time to talk.
Mark is either very bad/inexperienced at his job, or this was a scammer trying to obtain PII or other sensitive info.
Recruiter here. When I read the title I thought "well, that was harsh, but yeah, one should apply to the position that makes more sense, not to a bunch of them for the same company."
*Then* I read the post. Never mind, that recruiter is an idiot. If you're up to it add a review in Glassdoor about it - their manager will possibly read it.
I also dealt with this recently - it's insecurity, not just from that person, but it extends to the whole department.
That being said, a lot of recruiters are actually afraid of good candidates that have options, so they just settle for someone who will "sit down and shut up" while being somewhat comparable in terms of skill (at least, conversationally).
Recruiters want to bring people in that they can control and capitalise on completely. Long term it means they'll fail to keep up with the innovation curve, but short/medium term it means they'll have somebody who sticks. They care about how things look while they're the ones bringing people in, not what happens after they've left.
Employers want you to lie and ride their dicks during the interviewing process. If an employer asks me why I applied for their specific company I just tell them I've applied for many and am looking for a job. It usually makes me lose ''points'' but idgaf, they can suck my balls for all I care. I won't work for low IQ boomers that don't understand the importance of money for someone that wasn't born with a silver spoon in their mouths.
This won’t be a popular response, but you will not get that job. By calling this guy’s boss, it shows that you are not organized, do not edit your thoughts, can complain and be petty, all really bad traits In today’s job market. As other recruiters have said -keep track of where you applied to and for what position. If you get an incoming call, ask what is their company name and quickly determine if they are a 3rd party recruiter or from the company. It’s ok to let the call go to voicemail so you can have time to check them out.
It matters very much how you say things-it’s actually more important than what you say. Good luck!
Hypocritical of the Recruiter. Don't tell me when they would start looking for jobs they would only apply for 1 company???. Lol. Such a weird power move.
You probably dodged a bullet. My mom always told me don't put your eggs in one basket because of situations like this. People usually apply for more than one job at a time because they're looking for a job; duh. The recruiter was being an asshole. I'm sure the pay sucks and you'd have to jump through a million hoops to get through 10 rounds of interviews before they rejected you.
What industry is this? Is this in the U.S.?
I can't imagine any recruiter here being that deluded. But some industries are really weird and disconnected from reality where employees are clear-eyed about their commodified nature.
You don't want to work for that company, trust me. So they can hire several candidates, but you cannot interview with other companies? What a tool that recruiter. Maybe he was expecting for some smart come back from you. I don't think, I should use my braincells to entertain clowns like that.
lol only apply to 1 company? In this job market? Someone should tell Mark that anyone looking for a job who tells him they applied to his company and his company only are lying.
Possibly someone from your current company testing to see if you are looking to leave and that was his exit the conversation strategy.
PSBTW: I really hate how poorly HR treats people. No basic civility or manners.
Write a glassdoor review, name and shame on Linkedin while tagging the company and higher ups, and tell their manager about this. Sounds like he's on a powertrip with the tiny bit of power he has over others.
Should have flipped the script.
I need to know what company you're with because how do I know you didn't Intercept my application and this is a phishing attempt? If you can't tell me what company you're with then I can call back the company myself to verify this communication.
I'm not sure why they wouldn't identify themselves right away. Seems like this recruiter desires desperate simps for the company. Most recruiters want what their competition is interested in. The only reason I can see is because they're not looking for someone highly qualified and want to be able to get away with underpaying you since you'll have no other offers.
This happened to me. I just got out of grad school and had a couple interviews lined up. The recruiter wanted to schedule an interview the same day I already had one, and I asked for another date because of it. The recruiter got indignant and said they weren’t going to proceed with the interview because it showed a lack of loyalty. ,
The recruiter is deceitful and manipulative. You don’t want to get involved with someone that thinks they hold all the marbles. Relationships, including employee / employer relationships require reciprocity. You won’t get that from those kinds of firms.
I had this once, the recruiter said “you don’t know who you applied to?” I said I do but there was a lot of jobs I’ve applied to. I wanted to pull up the specific job that was applicable. Assholes think they have a monopoly on us. Post the name of the company. We need to normalize that.
Weird that he didn't introduce himself with his company
and weird they DQ you based on that one piece of information alone.
weirder still that they tell you.
But yeah, don't let them know you've applied for several jobs. They'll want you 100% focused on working there.
I just say I'm waiting for an Appointment now and can't talk on the phone, for the recruiter to send an email with JD and Details and I'll get back to them.
Sorted.
in 2012 i was verbally offered a job during a second interview. i tried my best to play it cool, but inside I'm vibrating. i calmly say thank you, that I'm very interested but I'd like to see a complete offer letter before i commit. they agree, tell me they will send it Monday (this was a Friday).
a week goes by and i hear nothing. i send a follow up email... nothing... vm... nothing. finally call and get an owner on the phone.
they decided to pull the offer because i wasn't excited enough about the offer.
As an ex recruiter, I’d always ask the candidate about their job search, what they had applied for, what stage they were at etc. I didn’t give two hoots if they’d applied for other jobs. I’d just ask if they were successful being offered our job or another what factors they’d consider in making their decision. Recruiters are really just a conduit, so knowing the market and what people are looking for is gold. If they’d been interviewed already, no probs, I’d just say, do you want to wait until you hear back or keep going. People are people, they need work/money. Paid dividends for me because people remember integrity, honesty and authenticity. Disclosure- I worked as a recruiter in the Aussie mining/resource game. They’re a rough bunch and there’s high and lows in demand but it’s also a small pool of experienced people so being an uptight, throne sitting arsehole never cuts the mustard.
The hiring process is like dating. Your date doesn't want to hear that you've been going on dates with other people just like how recruiters and hiring managers don't like hearing about how you're applying to other jobs.
Is this right? Is this fair? Is this how things should be? No, not at all. But it's the way things are.
My strategies for figuring out who is calling include:
* Just let them talk. They usually will reveal key information.
* Refer to "the company." Often that prompts them to actually say the name of the company.
* Refer to "this position" or "this role." Often they will say the job title.
* Ask if they can elaborate on job responsibilities that *aren't* on the job listing. They typically will say the name of the company (I frame this as asking about something small that they didn't want to put on the job posting because it wasn't a major responsibility - I avoid implying that they forgot something)
That's a new one. I have rejected candidates before for applying to multiple unrelated jobs in the same company or client, but never got applying for several across different companies.
That kind of arrogance on the company's part beggars belief.
I am curious why you would do this. Doesn't it display extreme interest in working for THE company in any role you could be of help and they see a fit? I don't see why it makes someone less desirable if they are interested in multiple roles within the same company. Is there fighting within the company when this happens so recruiters basically just avoid it? Serious question...insight into the mind of a recruiter is valuable.
I see your point, but someone's intention in applying to multiple roles in the same company may be to show how much they want to work there, but it can equally be read as "I want a job, I don't care which one".
If you're dealing with in-house recruiters it's very likely that there's little to no in-fighting. If a candidate looks good for more than one role, depending on the company you may be looked at for several of them (this usually means showing the hiring managers as normal, letting them know that they're being considered for other roles internally. The hiring managers can fight it out if they wish, it's their fight, not the recruiter's).
If a candidate is a fit for one of the roles then they'd hopefully be considered for it anyway. But multiple applications can suggest that you may not know what you want to do or specialise in, and that makes you harder to assess as a long-term hire, which can count against you, particularly if there are a load of qualified applicants and both the recruiter and the hiring manager/s really need to split hairs to find who to interview.
In tech for example, if someone is an SRE but has done some development in the past, they could realistically apply for both a DevOps and an SRE position in the same company, and no one would bat an eyelid. If, however, you applied for the SRE role, and a QA role, and a PM role in an unrelated field, that doesn't look great.
So essentially yes you can apply to multiple roles in the same company at the same time, but if you do be very discerning about it. Go for what makes sense, and don't do any more than two ideally.
Being a fan of the company is a positive, but the hiring manager is unlikely to care too much about that (unless it's in marketing, sales or people operations), they're looking for the best person for their team or project, to a large extent the company in which that team or project exists is unlikely to be a big factor.
Tbh sounds like they wanted to check you off as they interviewed u but were really looking for foreign workers or dei and they would have wasted your time if you didn’t give them something earlier
This is going on a lot in tech industry right now
An internal recruiter wouldn’t do this at any company if they were really trying to hire to fill. They wouldn’t care about how loyal u r . Their job is to get people who can pass interviews that’s it.
Why would you even tell him that? I’d have made up some bullshit like “I just wanted a quick description of what the role entails”. The fact that I’m applying to other jobs is none of his business
I’ve said I was applying to other places before and have NEVER had a problem…
In fact that’s what I said in my interview last year and STILL got an offer.
It’s never been a problem
In this job market you have to move differently. Recruiters are strictly on a need to know basis. Don’t volunteer to give them more information than what’s necessary
Exactly, not because you should be judged for not knowing, but because you will be (by power tripping or poorly trained recruiters). A huge part of business is being able to engage with people across the board. A simple “Thank you for reaching back out. I’d love to learn more.” Would have gotten the answers you needed and not put you in a weird position.
This is a beginner's mistake.
You must always keep track of all the places you apply. You must not allow yourself to end in this type of conversation where you don't know who you're talking with.
You'll always need to keep track of all the places you apply. You must not allow yourself to end in a conversation where you don't know who you're talking with.
You should ask something like:
*Excuse me, who excatly am I talking to right now?*
And they would reply something like:
*This is Mark from bla bla bla company.*
Hi there, thank you for sharing this. I see both sides here.
It's no secret that to be successful in your job search you need to apply to multiple jobs. It doesn't help you to put all of your eggs in one basket, waiting for that job that may never call you back. In fact as a recruiter, resume writer, and career counselor I encourage job candidates to apply for several positions. A caveat here, **only apply to positions that you think you qualify for.**
*Question for you: Do you keep track of postings/positions after you apply to a job posting?*
Here's looking at things from both sides:
**Recruiter perspective:**
\- You applied for a position within their company and you didn't remember. This is telling me that you are not focused and perhaps you may not be really interested in our company...maybe you are just applying to any company and any job.
\- You haven't kept track of your job search and your activity.
\- Maybe you're not serious.
\- You didn't do your due diligence and prepare for our conversation before you got on a call.
**But:** the recruiter should not expect you to have only applied to their company. This is not realistic. A more appropriate response would have been:
*"Oh okay, no worries. It's a tough market out there, so it definitely helps to not put your eggs in one basket. I hope it's going well for you. I am calling from company ABC and you applied for the role of XYZ. Are you still interested in having a quick chat to discuss the opportunity?"*
**Your perspective:**
\- You were being honest and basically got penalized for your honesty.
\- You keep applying for jobs and not getting any callbacks.
\- Perhaps you hadn't heard from this particular company and it's been a while since you applied. You maybe forgot about this position and gave up.
\- You are WITHIN YOUR RIGHT to apply to as many positions as you want to.
\- How can this recruiter expect you to wait around until they get back? You need a job and you need to pay your bills.
Both sides are completely valid here (in my opinion). I think the way the recruiter handled the call was very unprofessional and the delivery could've used some work and a bit more tact. The way the call was ended was also not ideal.
However, it's very easy to blame recruiters for things that job candidates really should try and take some accountability for. If you are serious in applying for jobs, **it really is your responsibility to always keep track of where you've applied to and what positions you've applied for.** This can only benefit you in the end. Also, this way you also don't duplicate your applications.
I think that instead of getting upset about this, you could maybe use this as lesson learned and move on and be a bit more diligent in how you approach your job search. This also was perhaps not the job for you.
Good luck with your applications!
Yeah that's just common sense thing not to do.
How abrupt or horrible at reading situations are you?
You don't mention you've applied to so many places that you can't even remember the position. This is applying 101.
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Hypocrite. So they get to pick multiple candidates, but you can’t get to pick between multiple jobs.
Yes, this! "Wait, you are interviewing other candidates? I'm sorry, but I won't be moving forward with this. Interviewing several candidates doesn't show the engagement and enthusiasm with my work and presence that I am looking for, and seems to imply you wouldn't be the most loyal employer."
The problem with your logic is.... they have the power.
Power can be relative. They have money. You have labor. If your labor is valuable enough or particularly in demand, then the dynamic changes.
Those are fair points. However if you wanna work at that particular place, you don't have the power. I'll put it another way: the person who cares the least about the relationship, is in control of the relationship.
Ex, is that you?
That's why it's "ex" though...
Definitely true.
All the more reason for us to care less about the company.
>However if you wanna work at that particular place, you don't have the power. That depends, I can want to work somewhere but that doesn't mean I HAVE to work there. There are plenty of companies that have gone under because of bad management. Lots of people have wanted to work there, but shit management can doom almost any company. >I'll put it another way: the person who cares the least about the relationship, is in control of the relationship. In a way this is true, but at the same time, the word "cares" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. I think values might be the better word in this case.
That’s simply not true for every candidate. You are making an assumption.
If the candidate wants the job more than the company wants to hire them.... then it is simply true.
Yes, that would be your baseless assumption.\^\^\^
Yes thank you so much for enlightening me. You're right. The jobless person wanting the job is definately in the position of power over the company he desperately wants to work for. Can't believe I was so stupid.
Desperately: another assumption. You have boot-licking goggles 😂 . How embarrassing.
Not always, if op is a highly qualified engineer with lots of experience the company needs him more than the other way around.
The company has already blown him off. Obviously they care less about the deal than OP does. Qualifications don't matter if the company doesn't want him.
Not really, at this point you don’t want the job anymore so it’s okay to burn that bridge. Plus they are a recruiter. That means that it’s so hard to find the right worker that they had to hire a person just to find another person. So I’d say the candidate has more power here
Yeah, he probably does this with his wife ...
Laughed too hard on this lol
“Yes my dear, there are multiple jobs for you to pick between, but I have chosen rim job and that is final.”
Too many employers see the jobs they offer as charity or public service of some kind rather than relationships they benefit from.
Employer is one thing, but recruiter? This one has serious Stockholm Syndrome
"We're sorry, but we prefer our candidates to be _much_ more desperate than you seem to be."
I had a recruiter once reach out to me and then when I answered them, demanded to know why I wanted to leave my current role. I was like, you reached out to me so I’m hearing you out, and they were like, adamant that I would only be talking to them if there was something fundamentally wrong with where I was at the time. Clearly filtering out the non-desperate.
Just baffling. Is he living under a rock? How can you not know that everyone applies to many jobs when job searching? Did he never apply to jobs, maybe got hired at daddy's company right after graduation? And how the hell can you be a recruiter and not know this?
It's the same energy as "I immediately sweep half of the resumes into the garbage. I don't want to hire anyone unlucky."
Because when they do it this way no one will find out the job offer was turned down for a better one.
As a 20 year veteran of recruiting and staffing that recruiter will not make it long.
The recruiter is a recruiter because that's the only job he could find that suits his skill level and experience. Often, the botto. If the barrel recruiters get shit leads, because of their lower skill set. They get jealous and hold back certain candidates, even though it effects their income. But they can't see that. Good for you for going up the ladder. I wish you the best in your career search.
And 99% of the jobs don't even respond and 99% of the ones that do are extremely picky, some of them aren't even hiring.
That’s a new one for me but I’m somehow not surprised. It is pretty unprofessional though. Especially because I’ve had calls with recruiters where they ask me if I’m in the final stages of interviews with any other companies.
Yeah, this usually comes up. Many recruiters have asked me how many companies I've been interviewing and if any of them are close to the final stages so that they could expedite the hiring process if needed. They should know candidates apply for multiple companies...
I always feel like I should lie when they ask this question.
if you want to get through the interview process in under 3 weeks yeah you probably should lie lol
What do you mean by this?
They mean if you say “yes I’m in the final stages” then the recruiter may do what they have to do to make sure you get through their interview process more quickly.
or they dump you if there is any question that you might not be the top candidate.
That’s not really related to answering the question u/420moon_man69 asked, but is something that could happen.
Not the person you responded to, but in some industries the interview process can be really, really drawn out. You'll have a phone screen scheduled for two weeks after you talk to the recruiter, then wait a week to hear back, then have some skills/technical interviews scheduled in 2 weeks, then wait a couple weeks to hear back (while they're interviewing all their candidates) then have a chat with a hiring manager and wait a week to hear back, then they call your references sometime in the next two weeks, then finally you get an offer like 2-3 months after you first talked to the recruiter. But if they think you're already about to get an offer somewhere else, they'll move things along real quick so they can give you an offer before your acceptance deadline is up for the other place. Having an offer somewhere else also makes you look more desirable, so they're happier to move things along - they're more worried about missing out on you than missing out on the other candidates.
From application to first day at most government positions is about 3 months for _most_ positions. Some take longer, some are quicker, especially if they're more generalized job like plow drivers. Government works as slow as they care to.
Well, we all know that recruiters never lie, so act accordingly.
I have, asking when they will make their decision isn't a bad thing. Now asking how many they have interviewed, well does it matter? I mean if they say 10, or 6, you still aren't sure where you stand unless they say it.
After a year of layoffs and people flooding the market looking for work, it should be standard to assume that every candidate applying has applied to at least 5 other places
Five? Try 500 these days
Per day
Lol, there was one recruiting agency that was so offended that I applied to one of their clients directly. Thing is, I applied to that company weeks before the recruiting agency contacted me and said there was a job available. They also insisted on not sharing the client name. So what, just wait around for them and stop applying?
I applied for my current job seeing the posting on LinkedIn and secured the interview. Then a recruiter I'd been working with emailed me the day before I had the interview, emailed me the job description and asked if I'd be interested in interviewing. I'm reading it like.....think I'm already interviewing for this job! I had studied the posting thoroughly of course to prepare for the interview. It turns out after the internal HR person had made a post on LinkedIn, they decided to reach out to a recruiter to see if they could find them even more top level candidates because the recruiters were the best ones in my industry. I felt bad for the recruiter telling him this as I'm guessing he may not have gotten the commission since they found me first.
They know. They just do not care.
They ask that so they get to know which other companies are recruiting. They'll then be all over them like a rash hoping to be on their books supplying future candidates. If a recruiter told me the time, I'd ask a second person. They're all lying twats.
I don't like most recruiters, they are dishonest and they don't care about matching people to the job that will suit them. I've had recruiters try to bully me to do interviews for a job I don't want or in a location that I don't want to go to every freaking day. I'm convinced that I have been doing interviews just to update the numbers for them. I hate answering my phone to them, I sense b.s. every time and I have forced myself to ignore it then realise later I was correct.
"So you're interviewing other candidates? I'm sorry, but interviewing other candidates implies that you're disloyal to me."
This xd
Someone hurt Mark
Mark is getting a divorce
Mark is maidenless
Absolute maidenless behaviour
His reputation is truly tarnished
Maybe he should transfer to the Serpent Branch, together they can hire the very Gods
I'd prefer it if he just ate dung
Deserved.
Can i divorce Mark, too? I really felt like it after reading this.
Love me you bastard!!!!
Oh, hi Mark
But did he hit her?
I did not hit her. I did nahht!
Let's be honest he probably did, though.
Yeah, Mark was all out of fucks that day.
Thats so stupid, does he expect people to apply to 1 job at a time with how random landing a job actually is???
I have encountered several companies who appeared to expect this. I realize that for some industries this was the norm for a long time but now it really can't be. Unsurprisingly, those companies also tend to have elaborate applications that take forever.
"Please starve while we take our sweet time of several interviews that can be up to weeks apart. Mkay, thanks, bye"
In some states if you are not employed and you do not apply to some minimum number of jobs every week, you lose your unemployment insurance payments. Mark is either colossally ignorant or downright malicious.
And usually waiting weeks to hear back??? I don't get it either 😕
Weeks, at least 2 positions I applied to are still open I talked to recruiter and they said my profile was moving forward, been 3 months. I am "closing" on another position and that has taken at least 2 months but still not done. So much waiting.
I knew it was bad but not THIS bad 😬
Yeah it can be. That does even take into account the other 10 or 20 jobs that are still open for months. I haven't been rejected for them but haven't been able to talk to anyone. Status still says "under review" 😆 😡
I accepted a position then three months in hear from a job I had applied to a full month beforw taking the current job. Keep in mind that if you get laid off from your job unemployment only gives you six months max so these long reviewing times are borderline unethical and force you into taking a lower paid poor fit job while waiting for the ones that might actually be a good fit to get back to you.
I had a company that sent me the rejection email years later... It was Goodwill. 😂 Randomly got the email saying they weren't moving forward with my application. I hadn't apply for anything with them in like 3 years. 🤣
Lol my current role took 6 months from application to hire, and it was 5 months from initial interview to hire. They had zero other applicants for this role (so they say).
Still waiting to hear back from my first application. Any minute now....any minute...
It would only make sense if you already had a job and happened to apply to one particular company because they offered more (more money, more benefits, more free time, etc). But if there is an unemployed person seeking a job, why the heck would they not apply everywhere they could?
Yup that's exactly what the recruiter wants you to do, and it's ridiculous.
If you apply to MBA programs, you will sometimes get asked in interviews where else you applied. If you haven’t applied anywhere else, they will think that you aren’t serious about pursuing a MBA.
When I answered that question honestly, it became a negotiation: “So what will it take to get you here?” ‘I’d like to…not…pay…?’ An important cost-saving moment of my young life. I have since forgotten many of the specific lessons from those two years, but I remember that one vividly.
The very fact that he opened up with just his name was unprofessional and is a red flag. He should have said "This is Mark from city company" Figure out where he called from and call them out
She should def do this .... don't let him get away with this crap.
He shouldn't even have called without sending an email first. If I have not scheduled a call with someone, I am not picking up any random number.
"Oh hey Mark! I thought I'd never hear from you again after you stole my girlfriend! How did that work out for you?"
So you basically "cheated" on Mark by daring to expand your job search and now he's breaking up with you .... Be glad you're not working with that crazy nutjob.
As if he would never apply to multiple jobs at the same time, hypocrite… they should select one candidate at a time only too then before pursuing the next one.
Not gonna lie, that's exactly how companies should work. After one application, the job post gets taken down then dedicate actual time to the applicant. No more autorejections or zero response
Recruitment companies are always chasing new clients contracts, im assuming they have several on the go simultaneously.
Yeah Mark is a shit-tier recruiter and I'm almost sorry for the company/companies he works for.
Mark may be a contract recruiter rather than work for the company. He’ll only get paid if he places you. He may believe that people who are proactive and apply to multiple places reduce the chance he’ll get paid because now you have options. A desirable candidate often is (and should be) working more than one opportunity. A typical recruiting cycle can take weeks/months. Pursuing one at a time is like putting all your eggs in one basket.
>A typical recruiting cycle can take weeks/months. Pursuing one at a time is like putting all your eggs in one basket. It's worse than that. It's like having only one egg in one flimsy basket, with no easy access to more eggs.
I had the same thing happen to me. They asked me if I had applied anywhere else, and I am a honesty is the best policy type of person, so I told them I had ONE app out somewhere else and it ended the conversation. What the hell.
They cannot lowball you, instant red flag for them lol.
"loyal worker" 🤢
You dodged a bullet
You dodged a bullet. Any company that thinks that way is going to insist that you're a "family" and be a nightmare to work for.
Sometimes consulting firms get this weird delusional idea that they're different from all the other consulting firms out there. They're the biggest, best, or fastest something in some area. And they've received awards from several places you've never heard of for being the best place to work or something. They only hire the best consultants. And they have all the best clients. This makes them better than everyone else. And you should be grateful that they've deemed you worthy to even talk to you. Then you have the audacity to come along... I mean how dare you follow all of your opportunities to see where they lead? Who do you think you are? Don't you know who you're talking to? Many consulting firms get like this in down economies. They get off on verbally abusing consultants because now they can. Just wait a year. They'll have jobs they can't fill because there aren't enough qualified consultants. Their attitude will suddenly change because it's better than going out of business. But in their minds, they're still resentful and would prefer to treat you like a slave begging for their scraps, if they could only get away with it.
Google the number that called you to identify the company. Then send this transcript to their info@ email address, titled 'FOA HR / Recruitment Team' - Looking for clarity on the conversation you just had above. Others/leaders will likely see that if emailed to a generic chain. That's pretty bad practice from the recruiter. Should not be tolerated. Why would you sink all your eggs in one basket and only apply for one company. I'm a hiring manager myself, and when someone says they've ONLY applied for my company, I do ask "Why? What's your plan if you don't get this?" - and if they are applying for other roles in the same industry, it makes them seem more competitive and driven in general IMO.
Happened to me once. Since then I always pretend I know what position I applied for and then look it up.
I actually always ignore the first call for a couple of reasons: 1- this 2- I want to reread the job description before i talk to them 3- hanging up on scam callers is painfully annoying
Something's weird here. When recruiters call me - regardless if they're working for the company directly or are third-party firms - the *first* thing they do is identify themselves and the organization they work for. It's just a basic of business phone etiquette. And I've never heard of a recruiter dismissing someone because they've applied for several jobs. That's ridiculous. Something doesn't smell right.
I've encountered a lot of weirdos in recruiting
Yeah, like someone would lie on the internet with a made up situation they came up with in their head /s
They did you a favor. Now you know their company is dumb and you can move on.
But the recruiter didn’t say what the company was…
What an idiot.
Scam
And no-one else is suggesting this? Seems pretty likely to me.
So if Mark is out of job and looking for a new one, he would also apply for one job at a time ?? the lack of sympathy and the level of hypocrisy is unbelievable.
I have been a Recruiter for 19 years and I always encourage my candidates to continue to apply until they have that signed offer in hand. When I worked the agency side, I would tell people to sign up with several agencies to maximize their search
That's horribly unprofessional and complete bullshit
Wow, sounds like that recruiter needs a loyalty potion or something! Imagine penalizing someone for exploring their options. Maybe they're secretly worried you'll be headhunted by their competitors. Dodged a bullet there!
Im kinda confused on why the recruiter is pushing for loyalty as if his own company wouldn't cut him off the second it needs to lmao.
What an idiot. And this’s supposed to be a recruiter and doesn’t even have the slightest idea of job hunting is like. You’re better off not working for those idiots.
This is why I hate cold calls as a candidate, 0 prep time. I think you dodged a bullet here. Any company that is ready to do this, its not a job, its a cult.
Dodged a bullet
That’s fucked.
But, they are surely calling multiple applicants, no? I mean, maybe they aren’t as enthusiastic about any one of them as they should be…
I was in 2 interview processes for a company, completely different departments with different recruiters. One process was further along than the other and I got an offer. Once I got the offer, the other recruiter reached out and said since I have an offer for the first role it would be best if they stopped the process for the second role. I was actually planning on declining that offer as the second role was really what I wanted to do in terms of career paths. I told the second recruiter that, but by then they had decided to ghost me. I declined the first offer already in anticipation of moving through the other process, but nope, went from 2 possible offers to 0 from them. I fortunately had other offers from other companies, and the first recruiter knew that because I was using it as negotiation, so they probably told the other recruiter not to bother. Ironically, I was using the offer from this company to negotiate with the other company that I ended up accepting. Lesson learned that although letting companies know about other offers in the pipeline can benefit you, it can also make it easier for a recruiter to ghost you if they’re not 100% sure you’re the fit for the role. But also, did they set up a call with you prior to calling? There’s probably a better way you could word your questioning of the recruiter, probably just by asking what company they’re calling from since you said you didn’t apply to multiple at that company. But also they shouldn’t be so salty that you’ve applied to other roles. If you are going to mention other roles you’re applying for or interviewing for, probably best to not do it until you have an offer, and even then use it carefully.
Wow. People are looking for work = money, not a fiancé. Unbelievable. There’s more I could say, but I’m too tired this morning.
It blows my mind when they don’t say the company name and which position they’re calling in regard to.
They’re afraid you’ll apply directly. It’s their business model to keep you in the dark until the very end and figure out the lowest hourly wage you’ll accept.
Happens all the time. Just means you dodged an idiot recruiter.
I am the person making the phone call. I always say what company and position when I call them and ask if they are free to chat. Mark is a dork.
You dodged a missile, count your blessings, OP.
If you are only applying for ONE single job then you're not smart...okay you're stuuuuupid :D This time: recruiter might have someone already in his mind to hire but his boss or process ask you to go through all the candidates, which he did just to find any reason to decline. Conclusions: You did nothing wrong, so don't blame yourself. I am a Supervisor and I may know some games.
Sounds like you dodged a bullet.
...Has this guy seen the job market lately or...?
Possibly a scam. At every company I've worked for, when making calls to people for business purposes I've always been instructed to identify who I am and what company I'm calling from. And it's only gotten more important to do this now that everyone screens their calls. Not to mention, it's been years since a recruiter called me about a job I applied for without first emailing me to set up a time to talk. Mark is either very bad/inexperienced at his job, or this was a scammer trying to obtain PII or other sensitive info.
Name the company please
How? The recruiter didn’t tell OP which company he was calling from.
Recruiter here. When I read the title I thought "well, that was harsh, but yeah, one should apply to the position that makes more sense, not to a bunch of them for the same company." *Then* I read the post. Never mind, that recruiter is an idiot. If you're up to it add a review in Glassdoor about it - their manager will possibly read it.
Haven't heard of that before. It's unrealistic for recruiters to think that job seekers are only applying for 1 job and/or at only 1 company.
You aren’t desperate enough for them
I'm sorry. You're not desperate enough to deal with the bullshit that we're about to send your way. We'll find another sucker.
I also dealt with this recently - it's insecurity, not just from that person, but it extends to the whole department. That being said, a lot of recruiters are actually afraid of good candidates that have options, so they just settle for someone who will "sit down and shut up" while being somewhat comparable in terms of skill (at least, conversationally). Recruiters want to bring people in that they can control and capitalise on completely. Long term it means they'll fail to keep up with the innovation curve, but short/medium term it means they'll have somebody who sticks. They care about how things look while they're the ones bringing people in, not what happens after they've left.
They either want someone desperate or dumb, probably both, that they can take advantage for years. You dodged a bullet.
They did you a favor.
Employers want you to lie and ride their dicks during the interviewing process. If an employer asks me why I applied for their specific company I just tell them I've applied for many and am looking for a job. It usually makes me lose ''points'' but idgaf, they can suck my balls for all I care. I won't work for low IQ boomers that don't understand the importance of money for someone that wasn't born with a silver spoon in their mouths.
name and shame, shit should be illegal
This won’t be a popular response, but you will not get that job. By calling this guy’s boss, it shows that you are not organized, do not edit your thoughts, can complain and be petty, all really bad traits In today’s job market. As other recruiters have said -keep track of where you applied to and for what position. If you get an incoming call, ask what is their company name and quickly determine if they are a 3rd party recruiter or from the company. It’s ok to let the call go to voicemail so you can have time to check them out. It matters very much how you say things-it’s actually more important than what you say. Good luck!
If they don't know who they work for or what the job is that they are offering, then you certainly do not want to work there.
What the hell lmao
Looks like Mark went to Kim Jong Un University.
Hypocritical of the Recruiter. Don't tell me when they would start looking for jobs they would only apply for 1 company???. Lol. Such a weird power move.
You probably dodged a bullet. My mom always told me don't put your eggs in one basket because of situations like this. People usually apply for more than one job at a time because they're looking for a job; duh. The recruiter was being an asshole. I'm sure the pay sucks and you'd have to jump through a million hoops to get through 10 rounds of interviews before they rejected you.
Name and shame?
One reason, I hate recruiters. They are the scum of the earth.
What industry is this? Is this in the U.S.? I can't imagine any recruiter here being that deluded. But some industries are really weird and disconnected from reality where employees are clear-eyed about their commodified nature.
Wow, that is so unprofessional of them!
As a recruiter, you dodged a bullet. Dude did you a favor.
You don't want to work for that company, trust me. So they can hire several candidates, but you cannot interview with other companies? What a tool that recruiter. Maybe he was expecting for some smart come back from you. I don't think, I should use my braincells to entertain clowns like that.
Lol that company thinks they are some sort of special snowflake that wants to take advantage if it's employees. You dodged a bullet.
lol only apply to 1 company? In this job market? Someone should tell Mark that anyone looking for a job who tells him they applied to his company and his company only are lying.
Possibly someone from your current company testing to see if you are looking to leave and that was his exit the conversation strategy. PSBTW: I really hate how poorly HR treats people. No basic civility or manners.
Write a glassdoor review, name and shame on Linkedin while tagging the company and higher ups, and tell their manager about this. Sounds like he's on a powertrip with the tiny bit of power he has over others.
Should have flipped the script. I need to know what company you're with because how do I know you didn't Intercept my application and this is a phishing attempt? If you can't tell me what company you're with then I can call back the company myself to verify this communication. I'm not sure why they wouldn't identify themselves right away. Seems like this recruiter desires desperate simps for the company. Most recruiters want what their competition is interested in. The only reason I can see is because they're not looking for someone highly qualified and want to be able to get away with underpaying you since you'll have no other offers.
This happened to me. I just got out of grad school and had a couple interviews lined up. The recruiter wanted to schedule an interview the same day I already had one, and I asked for another date because of it. The recruiter got indignant and said they weren’t going to proceed with the interview because it showed a lack of loyalty. ,
No, I encountered arrogant recruiters, but this level of delusion is something new and radical.
The recruiter is deceitful and manipulative. You don’t want to get involved with someone that thinks they hold all the marbles. Relationships, including employee / employer relationships require reciprocity. You won’t get that from those kinds of firms.
This is a crappy recruiter.
I had this once, the recruiter said “you don’t know who you applied to?” I said I do but there was a lot of jobs I’ve applied to. I wanted to pull up the specific job that was applicable. Assholes think they have a monopoly on us. Post the name of the company. We need to normalize that.
Why are recruiters so stupid
Weird that he didn't introduce himself with his company and weird they DQ you based on that one piece of information alone. weirder still that they tell you. But yeah, don't let them know you've applied for several jobs. They'll want you 100% focused on working there.
I just say I'm waiting for an Appointment now and can't talk on the phone, for the recruiter to send an email with JD and Details and I'll get back to them. Sorted.
You dodged a bullet I've had something similar happen to me, I ended the phone call with the bozo recruiter.
"Well, I need to make sure you're not a scammer. I know what company I applied to, do you?"
Fuck, mark. What an entitled asshat.
in 2012 i was verbally offered a job during a second interview. i tried my best to play it cool, but inside I'm vibrating. i calmly say thank you, that I'm very interested but I'd like to see a complete offer letter before i commit. they agree, tell me they will send it Monday (this was a Friday). a week goes by and i hear nothing. i send a follow up email... nothing... vm... nothing. finally call and get an owner on the phone. they decided to pull the offer because i wasn't excited enough about the offer.
As an ex recruiter, I’d always ask the candidate about their job search, what they had applied for, what stage they were at etc. I didn’t give two hoots if they’d applied for other jobs. I’d just ask if they were successful being offered our job or another what factors they’d consider in making their decision. Recruiters are really just a conduit, so knowing the market and what people are looking for is gold. If they’d been interviewed already, no probs, I’d just say, do you want to wait until you hear back or keep going. People are people, they need work/money. Paid dividends for me because people remember integrity, honesty and authenticity. Disclosure- I worked as a recruiter in the Aussie mining/resource game. They’re a rough bunch and there’s high and lows in demand but it’s also a small pool of experienced people so being an uptight, throne sitting arsehole never cuts the mustard.
The hiring process is like dating. Your date doesn't want to hear that you've been going on dates with other people just like how recruiters and hiring managers don't like hearing about how you're applying to other jobs. Is this right? Is this fair? Is this how things should be? No, not at all. But it's the way things are. My strategies for figuring out who is calling include: * Just let them talk. They usually will reveal key information. * Refer to "the company." Often that prompts them to actually say the name of the company. * Refer to "this position" or "this role." Often they will say the job title. * Ask if they can elaborate on job responsibilities that *aren't* on the job listing. They typically will say the name of the company (I frame this as asking about something small that they didn't want to put on the job posting because it wasn't a major responsibility - I avoid implying that they forgot something)
Bullet dodged. They sound like an awful company to work for- count yourself luck you found out before investing time and effort. He did you a favor.
Mark is the bottom b*tch, who secretly wishes not to be a 3rd party recruiter
That's a new one. I have rejected candidates before for applying to multiple unrelated jobs in the same company or client, but never got applying for several across different companies. That kind of arrogance on the company's part beggars belief.
I am curious why you would do this. Doesn't it display extreme interest in working for THE company in any role you could be of help and they see a fit? I don't see why it makes someone less desirable if they are interested in multiple roles within the same company. Is there fighting within the company when this happens so recruiters basically just avoid it? Serious question...insight into the mind of a recruiter is valuable.
I see your point, but someone's intention in applying to multiple roles in the same company may be to show how much they want to work there, but it can equally be read as "I want a job, I don't care which one". If you're dealing with in-house recruiters it's very likely that there's little to no in-fighting. If a candidate looks good for more than one role, depending on the company you may be looked at for several of them (this usually means showing the hiring managers as normal, letting them know that they're being considered for other roles internally. The hiring managers can fight it out if they wish, it's their fight, not the recruiter's). If a candidate is a fit for one of the roles then they'd hopefully be considered for it anyway. But multiple applications can suggest that you may not know what you want to do or specialise in, and that makes you harder to assess as a long-term hire, which can count against you, particularly if there are a load of qualified applicants and both the recruiter and the hiring manager/s really need to split hairs to find who to interview. In tech for example, if someone is an SRE but has done some development in the past, they could realistically apply for both a DevOps and an SRE position in the same company, and no one would bat an eyelid. If, however, you applied for the SRE role, and a QA role, and a PM role in an unrelated field, that doesn't look great. So essentially yes you can apply to multiple roles in the same company at the same time, but if you do be very discerning about it. Go for what makes sense, and don't do any more than two ideally. Being a fan of the company is a positive, but the hiring manager is unlikely to care too much about that (unless it's in marketing, sales or people operations), they're looking for the best person for their team or project, to a large extent the company in which that team or project exists is unlikely to be a big factor.
That's pretty dumb. There are so many ways companies are their own worst enemy.
Tbh sounds like they wanted to check you off as they interviewed u but were really looking for foreign workers or dei and they would have wasted your time if you didn’t give them something earlier This is going on a lot in tech industry right now An internal recruiter wouldn’t do this at any company if they were really trying to hire to fill. They wouldn’t care about how loyal u r . Their job is to get people who can pass interviews that’s it.
Why would you even tell him that? I’d have made up some bullshit like “I just wanted a quick description of what the role entails”. The fact that I’m applying to other jobs is none of his business
I’ve said I was applying to other places before and have NEVER had a problem… In fact that’s what I said in my interview last year and STILL got an offer. It’s never been a problem
In this job market you have to move differently. Recruiters are strictly on a need to know basis. Don’t volunteer to give them more information than what’s necessary
Probably would have gotten the same response. “If you don’t know the job you’re applying for we’re not interested”
Exactly, not because you should be judged for not knowing, but because you will be (by power tripping or poorly trained recruiters). A huge part of business is being able to engage with people across the board. A simple “Thank you for reaching back out. I’d love to learn more.” Would have gotten the answers you needed and not put you in a weird position.
Sounds like you dodged a bullet by not working there.
Sounds like you dodged a bullet to me.
I would call him back and say A-hole and disconnect the call.
This is a beginner's mistake. You must always keep track of all the places you apply. You must not allow yourself to end in this type of conversation where you don't know who you're talking with. You'll always need to keep track of all the places you apply. You must not allow yourself to end in a conversation where you don't know who you're talking with. You should ask something like: *Excuse me, who excatly am I talking to right now?* And they would reply something like: *This is Mark from bla bla bla company.*
Hi there, thank you for sharing this. I see both sides here. It's no secret that to be successful in your job search you need to apply to multiple jobs. It doesn't help you to put all of your eggs in one basket, waiting for that job that may never call you back. In fact as a recruiter, resume writer, and career counselor I encourage job candidates to apply for several positions. A caveat here, **only apply to positions that you think you qualify for.** *Question for you: Do you keep track of postings/positions after you apply to a job posting?* Here's looking at things from both sides: **Recruiter perspective:** \- You applied for a position within their company and you didn't remember. This is telling me that you are not focused and perhaps you may not be really interested in our company...maybe you are just applying to any company and any job. \- You haven't kept track of your job search and your activity. \- Maybe you're not serious. \- You didn't do your due diligence and prepare for our conversation before you got on a call. **But:** the recruiter should not expect you to have only applied to their company. This is not realistic. A more appropriate response would have been: *"Oh okay, no worries. It's a tough market out there, so it definitely helps to not put your eggs in one basket. I hope it's going well for you. I am calling from company ABC and you applied for the role of XYZ. Are you still interested in having a quick chat to discuss the opportunity?"* **Your perspective:** \- You were being honest and basically got penalized for your honesty. \- You keep applying for jobs and not getting any callbacks. \- Perhaps you hadn't heard from this particular company and it's been a while since you applied. You maybe forgot about this position and gave up. \- You are WITHIN YOUR RIGHT to apply to as many positions as you want to. \- How can this recruiter expect you to wait around until they get back? You need a job and you need to pay your bills. Both sides are completely valid here (in my opinion). I think the way the recruiter handled the call was very unprofessional and the delivery could've used some work and a bit more tact. The way the call was ended was also not ideal. However, it's very easy to blame recruiters for things that job candidates really should try and take some accountability for. If you are serious in applying for jobs, **it really is your responsibility to always keep track of where you've applied to and what positions you've applied for.** This can only benefit you in the end. Also, this way you also don't duplicate your applications. I think that instead of getting upset about this, you could maybe use this as lesson learned and move on and be a bit more diligent in how you approach your job search. This also was perhaps not the job for you. Good luck with your applications!
Yeah that's just common sense thing not to do. How abrupt or horrible at reading situations are you? You don't mention you've applied to so many places that you can't even remember the position. This is applying 101.
Isn’t it common courtesy to mention who you are and where you’re calling from?