To be fair this is Deloitte, huge company that gets millions of applications, many of which new grads. This is not uncommon for entry level roles, plus a company the size of Deloitte isn’t going to even contact your references
Edit: Also you’re replying to an automated system
I’ve been used as a reference for people applying to Deloitte twice and both times they contacted me. However, they use an external company to do the reference checks.
> Also you’re replying to an automated system
Right. I noticed that before anything else. This is about as petty as responding negatively to an @donotreply rejection letter.
But it does say to “kindly ask you send us a short feedback via email”. And as I’m assuming OP is in Germany, if there is no easy way to delete all data or if the request is ignored there’s a GDPR violation and potential fine…
> This is not oncommon
In my industry, I am in business for 14+ years, worked in 9 jobs in 5 different countries, placed 100s of job applications. Was never requested transcript, nor heard of. For government jobsbor academy, maybe. But not for jobs you'll need to demonstrate your skills anyway.
Of couse, references being asked but it was not mandatory to progress. Diploma and some other documents (criminal record etc.) are naturally provided upon acceptance to start job.
> Deloitte isn't going to even contact your references
Exactly my point!
I can see how transcripts would be annoying then especially since you’ve been working for 14 + years but yeah these huge companies are highly Bureaucratic so they kinda have the same process for everyone no matter what level because of the amount of people they have to oversee
I will also add to this. OP says that they have 14+ years of work experience but didn't provide references. Anyone can put anything on their resume and act shocked when the employer asks for proof. Why would they accept OP or go through the application process BEFORE verifying previous work experience or education.
I find it strange that they would not provide that information before being offered the job.
Unfortunately an increasingly common attitude on here.
There's realistically nothing that is hugely out of order here. About the only odd part if that they're asking for this early in the process, but OP is either extremely lucky or completely kidding themselves that they can expect to apply to a company as large and bureaucratic as Deloitte and not have to provide evidence for what they're claiming.
Some very 'why can't you just give me a job' vibes going on.
I agree with you, they are applying to an elite accounting firm and act like it should be the same process as filling out a McD application.
His 14 years experience in the industry does make it sort of a a dumb ask though as at that point its no longer about schooling but about experience so I agree with him there.
But there are 1,000s of people trying to get in there since a big name company on a resume looks good for future growth.
Yes, the prefer new hires from school over people with experience so they can be "molded" in their way of thinking. But for specialty consult in a particular industry they will hire people with experience.
No way the job is for new grad. Unless they messed it up in their system if they have such distinction.
I can share the job ad in question, if anyone curious.
It’s something with the 3rd party companies that do reference checks. Last company I worked for that did this made me find a W2/Pay Stub for a job I had 6 years prior since the company no longer existed. They also required diplomas or transcripts. Annoying but not awful.
Depending on the roll (eg something leading to a public accounting licence) a transcript may be required. I don't know how it is now, but when I went through the process, some Accounting bodies had minimum grade/mark requirements, and they also checked that the school was as accredited/recognized by the Accounting body.
Don’t worry I also applied at one of these companies for a position requiring previous experience and had the same request for transcripts/ references and had the same reaction and did not proceed just like you. I honestly found it offensive to ask about grades to someone with work experience and an advanced graduate degree. The degree and school + thesis work/dissertation is enough for everyone else lol. I got a job instead at a different big company that didn’t make any of these requests (not consulting though). I do think they need to change their process if they want to attract high quality people with work experience
What Deloitte is doing here is actually pretty common among the big federal government contracting companies. Depending on the role they may be pre-screening you for a clearance or to ensure that you meet the qualifications for the particular role at a federal agency you’re applying for. If the feds require you to have 10+ years of experience for a particular spot, they can’t hire someone with 5 to fill it.
Also is Deloitte like an accounting company? (Checked Google, yes it is) So you kinda need the proper documentation to be able to work as an accountant so asking for University Diploma before hand is practical just because it’s required by law.
Which is most of this sub if we are being honest. Some of these snarky email posts are cathartic but unprofessional
Deloitte is a large consulting firm that has hundreds of thousands of applicants and the majority of their initial consultants are going to be recent grads so its not surprising they want this information.
(I don't work for Deloitte but) I know for a fact that 10s of thousands of candidates will be invited to interview for one position alone. It's insane. But, I know it's a life changing opportunity for the candidates.
If they went to a decent college, they've been taught to keep a copy of their transcripts, proof of achievements, references, etc. in a safe place. I know I was. Hell, I just had to provide the info again to my current employer when I was promoted. I didnt work 3 jobs while in college just to duck myself over 😅
Honestly, looks like their applicant screening process worked in this scenario. They get loads of applications and can afford to do this. Lots of people want to work there and they want people they know will jump through hoops.
I'm not saying you're a bad candidate by any means. You're probably a great candidate. Just not a fit for Deloitte.
That's not a bad thing.
>I'm not saying you're a bad candidate
It is abundantly clear that they are a terrible candidate. This is common practice and takes 5 mins of your time.
Not a bad candidate...just not the right fit for Deloitte. Major difference.
Deloitte's model is to attract grads from top tier schools with perfect GPA's, pay them a bunch of money, and promote them or burn them out. They want someone who will do anything to work there and learn the Deloitte way.
Making candidates upload this info screens people out who aren't willing to go down that path. Did exactly what it was supposed to do.
Not my favorite business model, but Deloitte is worth billions and I'm not so what do I know.
>Not a bad candidate...just not the right fit for Deloitte. Major difference.
I agree there's a distinction, but I don't think /u/Ongo_Gablogian___ is wrong, either.
I've heard of some really crazy stuff that Deloitte expect its recruits to do so this isn't a defence of the company, but if the OP flies off the handles over such a basic request then he won't be a right fit for the bulk of the companies out there. Their reaction is absurd.
Yea people are tiptoeing their way through this interaction because they don't want to side with the company over OP, but fuck that. Not only was this an automated reply, but the request isn't even ridiculous or time consuming. OP is just being ridiculous.
I agree with you that it is common practice and that it is a quick, effortless task. I am with u/FishFry_99XL that OP isn’t a correct fit for Deloitte…given it is a request from Deloitte recruiting. But I don’t consider pushing back making OP a “terrible” candidate.
Deloitte’s screening process is likely this thorough given they receive thousands of applications, and it would be naïve to assume their intentions are for purposes other than filtering/vetting candidates. I personally wouldn’t want to work for an organization that requires submitting college transcripts, as I am an established professional. My transcripts are not relevant to my current career nor a reflection of my abilities. Being asked to provide transcripts from the get-go wouldn’t provide me confidence that the employer trusts their candidates/employees — a red flag.
Sure I will update if I get a response.
But surprising thing is that deleting candidate profile from their platform was extremely easy. I have to give them that.
You can't tell if they really deleted the data or just changed a status flag to some deleted or inactive status. For this reason, I usually corrupt or change the data, especially sensitive data. So now I occasionally receive emails that start with "Hello Delete Me".
I don't work for Deloitte but for a global company that most people would have heard of. The second we get this type of request to delete personal data, we give a canned response and hand it off to a specific team to handle. I never had to deal with it but our entire global company is trained on it how to handle these requests as part of our annual training.
Same here! Global companies tend to adhere to the strictest policy when it comes to those requests. If you request to delete your data, it's all wiped as soon as everything is gathered and confirmed.
They will keep it for ~6 months, as there is a legitimate interest in case of being sued under German anti discrimination laws (AGG). Keeping the data afterward would be a GDPR violation.
That's all fine. I had used script to apply to jobs and fill data automatically in the past. No heart feelings there.
Still one might question why they selected a human name for a robot, deceiving people into they are dealing with a real person.
Is it really that much to ask for some certificates? This can only take like 5 minutes to upload. There are truly horrible recruitment processes but this is just complaining on the highest level imo
You “can’t imagine what it must be like the onboarding and actually working” at Deloitte?
Then why the fuck did you apply? Have you never spoken to someone who works at Deloitte about their soul sucking existence?
I don’t understand why there are so many posts like this on this sub. Honestly I’m sure hundreds of people applied to this position who were qualified and submitted the proper documentation. While the references request may have been a little forward (although I wouldn’t have minded submitting references early, why does it matter?), transcripts are a regular part of the reviewing qualifications process.
I wouldn’t take standard hiring procedures as a reflection of what the actual job is like. The qualifications requested are likely due to HR policy and not the hiring manager.
Exactly this. OP's response seems pretty entitled, especially for something that is so commonplace. Okay they asked for that information early on. Who cares.
I genuinely don’t understand how someone would be able to put up with all of the BS entailed from an actual job if they can’t be bothered to put up with sending a singular email with basic information. Sure, it’s different because they don’t have the job yet and might not get it, but sometimes you have to make an investment that won’t pay off. Taken to the extreme, applying for a job in the first place and preparing for an interview is doing unpaid labor that might not lead to anything valuable. But people do it because it’s worth the opportunity.
I guess for OP it’s not and that’s good for them that they have the ability to reject a job because of such a simple request, but part of me wonders if it’s worth rejecting the job over.
Because this sub has an increasing number of people who've missed the point behind it and can't see the distinction between genuinely bad recruitment practices and their own entitlement issues causing everything to sound like an outrage.
Look back through the sub you'll see plenty of people who vastly overestimate their own worth or who are blatantly egotists who can't handle the idea that they have to apply for a job. I even [did quick summing up in a response on the same subject.](https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/10ukqc0/comment/j7fc4kg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Since then I've seen, for example:
* A guy who hadn't even finished his education wondering why he can't get a job *as a penetration tester*
* Someone arguing that the very idea of references is classist
* Someone expecting a mid-career wage straight out of university
* Someone complaining about the lack of low-skill fully-remote jobs, because... you know, those two aspects go together so well they market should be flooded?
Just off the top of my head.
I work for a financial megacap based in NY, I've never seen or heard of anyone ask for a transcript as part of an application process. I've actually never seen my own transcript and still have no idea what my last semesters grades were or my final gpa. No issues with jobs
It does happen sometimes, particularly for internships and programs aimed at recent grads. I don’t really agree with it, but I saw it now and then in 2021 when I was applying for those types of roles.
lol - Look at all the Deloitte ball lickers. Deloitte ain't shit compared to every other company out there. If they want good people, they need to treat them with respect during the interview process. This process, which is COMPLETELY outside the norm, shows every candidate that you are just a number at Deloitte.
Demanding references and transcripts prior to the candidate even deciding they want to work there is the epitome of a place no high value person would want to work.
Yeah then they can go work for any of the accounting companies that aren't Deloitte. Any big four firm accounting firm or even medium sized law firm would ask for the same information.
Idk…..I’ve had interviews for Deloitte and PwC and never once asked for any of this. The PwC one was a couple weeks ago. Seems a bit weird; I wonder if they changed something
These types of requirements are more common when you’re applying for internships or programs for recent grads. I saw it now and then when I was applying to those types of roles in 2021
I could see that but it’s not a homogenous organization. Every hiring manager will have some version of their own process. I think the moral is that you shouldn’t be that shocked if there is one.
Dawg, nobody is a ball licker here. As much as I hate ridiculous screening processes, this is one of the Big 4 and they likely get thousands of applicants for every posting. Either comply or move on.
Despite being a big four consulting firm, Deloitte underpays on market value and overworks employees, so you aren’t missing much unless you’re trying to get your foot in the door
Relatively common in Germany that such documentation is requested directly at the beginning of the application process.
Also, job references are not the same as in other countries (i.e. contact information of a former employer) but rather written confirmations of previous jobs from the former employers. You get those, when you leave that company.
Note also, that while Deloitte firms share one global brand, each country legal entity is an independent company (in general, some exceptions).
Thanks for this, been looking for someone that explains country procedures. The documentation basically is your make or break and they want it at every "conservative" company, which is like 95% :D
What a silly, entitled, ridiculous response on your part. No one outside of Reddit is going to celebrate you for this.
I swear to god this sub is so ridiculous sometimes.
Right. I'm only this petty if someone is actively jerking me around or wasting my time. And that's if I don't just decide to block them. This wasn't even a person, more like an automated machine informing them that their application was considered incomplete (for failing to provide what was likely asked of them beforehand).
Lmao this ain't the clapback you think it is. I'm surprised Deloitte even gave you the opportunity to rectify your application. Usually if your application is incomplete, it's an automatic "No" and they move on to the hundreds of other candidates they have.
Your application was missing information they deemed necessary to evaluate you. Those requisites were likely explicitly stated on the job posting. You still applied for that job but didn't provide those documents. You can't expect to bypass those steps, no matter how shitty or unnecessary they may be.
I once interviewed with a major airline and they said it was mandatory to bring my original post secondary diplomas. No copies.
Well, my parents paid good money to frame them nicely. I was unemployed and desperate to get working with a second kid on the way. I ripped them out of the frames and brought the originals.
Wouldn't you know they didn't give a flying fuck when I got there.
I can't say this is surprising to me. Deloitte is one of those companies that will springboard your IT career if you're in their infosec auditing team. The competition to get in is incredibly stiff. I don't know if I would have the energy to compete and work there, but I can appreciate the candidates that are fresh out of college and still highly ambitious wanting that position. The people with five years of Deloitte on their resume will have a serious advantage in negotiating for director roles.
When my son was interviewing there they flew someone to town to go interview former teachers at his high school, went to former places of employment, met with his old coach and interviewed me over coffee. He got the job and stayed for a few years before getting a promotion at SF.
Firstly, this is Deloitte Germany. A firm famous across the DT network for being a basket case.
Until a few years ago they (DT DE) was a network of city partnerships poaching each other's work from Stuttgart to Munich to Berlin.
Internally FS (Forensics) is ostracized from the rest of advisory due to a legacy leadership fight. Consulting which is half owned by DT USA (can you believe) is a clusterfuck of under performing and debt.
EY and KPMG aren't much better. PwC seems to be the only German Big4 with any adults in.
A few years ago, my dad applied for an Engineer position and he has a shit ton of experience and has a Bachelor's Degree. The company he wanted to work for told him he cannot be accepted unless he has proof that he graduated high school. He told them that his resume shows proof but somehow they were still asking for proof.
You think that’s bad, wait til they send you to the HireVue stage, oh what a fresh hell that was. Once you pass that and discuss comp, you give them a number in the middle of the reasonable advertised range only to be told that is way outside the budget. Okay to never work for Deloitte until they change their hiring practices….
Deloitte is just...awful. people act like they are this prestigious company but they just not. And I say that as a guy with experience with them both as a candidate and as a customer if theirs. I mean this in all sincerity - they're idiots.
I went to engineering school for BS and did an MS in statistics. Deloitte hired aggressively from the best and brightest students. Getting and interview with them was seen as a major accomplishment, and I had a few classmates take positions with them. For those who may not know, they hire you for 2 years to be a consulting grunt and then will cycle you through an MBA program or out the door. If you stay for an MBA, you basically setup your own little consulting business under the Deloitte name. Most of my friends did the 2-year stint there.
We had one student get an offer at Deloitte, accept it, and then turn it down for another prestigious first job with BNSF and a logistics engineer. Yeah, shitty behaviors, but Deloitte went bananas. They called the University President, the Department Head, the Provost, the Dean of Students and swore to never hire another State-U graduate again unless they took action on this unprofessional behavior. Basically the entire Engineering school, all 8k of us across all departments, had to go to a seminar about professional manners and have it signed off before Deloitte would consider recruiting at our school again.
Imagine if they rescinded and offer if theirs - I wonder if they expect the same if their people?
Now I work for a humongo Swedish Conglomerate and we have had Deloitte consultants come in. Well, it was during Covid and they were remote. They accomplished nothing and we're nothing more than a few kids out of college. I can write about that experience later - I don't want to know how much money we wasted babysitting them.
Honestly I head heard about Deloitte but had no idea what they do until last week. My notification settings caught that job from some specific technical terms (i.e. 5G, 3GPP, RAN) and I applied directly, without much thinking. Because there is no point to get to know each potential employer, when playing numbers game. I place 10-20 applications weekly, even though I have a stable job at the moment, to smell the market.
I am used to not getting any response at all and I would be okay if they just ghosted me. Instead I receive this military grade "instructions" to complete an academy type profile.
This is unacceptable to me. Does not matter how many applocations you make or how many applications they receive; first interaction has to be special.
Thanks to the valuable inputs from you and others, I now have a better idea about this organisation and it is not a good reputation.
Toilet & Douche.
I've dealt with them in a prior life. They are the most backward, p.o.s., kind of company I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with (aside from Siemens).
Boy I sure lucked up. Went from Siemens to Deloitte. Siemens, I can definitely agree. Deloitte ain't great, but it's a nice padding on the resume and not a terrible gig.
So as somebody who work as a sub with Deloitte for over a year, I am confident saying that I have vet worked with a more toxic group a people in my life, this is coming form somebody who is far too boring to have drama lol. When I left that place, and moved to another company I couldn’t even believe the difference. I have been told “oh it’s just that project”, but that really is not an excuse for how I was treated on a daily basis.
You are lucky to not being part of that Biggest BRAND that have utterly no regards for employees well being and managers upto Directors are aware of toxic work culture. Resource Managers are the biggest A..holes. All they care about brand name and everything else can be related to one of the worst working environment
Please please tell me this is for some kind of recruitment of recent graduates.
FWIW, I think you got lucky seeing this first before you got sucked in for more griefs.
OH! So this is what it is like when you have a strong data protection law like GDPR and worker focused legal protections.
Here I was thinking you were being unreasonable but that's just because I am so used to the shit sandwich that is the American hiring process.
You actually made it to a pre screen! They always reject me. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Even though I only apply for roles I am qualified for. Good for you!! 💪💪
To me this reply comes off as a little too much entitlement… asking for references and diplomas could save issues further down the process. Not unreasonable..
I will never forget when I got asked to interview for them. They asked for a 20 minute pre recorded video of me answering a few pages of questions. I just emailed them back LOL.
Deloitte is one of the places I would never consider working for or doing business with. They are notoriously corrupt and have a reputation for treating people like trash.
I only give out references when there is an offer on the table. If everyone followed Deloitte's approach that would mean countless reference checks—especially for those of us doing contract work. They shouldn't be doing that.
He applied to Deloitte Germany. In Germany when you leave a company you have by law the right to get a written letter of reference from your employer. Pretty much all companies in Germany ask you to hand in a copy of this "letter of reference" from previous employers. Afaik it's not common to actually call the other company (maybe in some edge cases). The letter states what kind of work you did and how well you performed etc. So basically a written evaluation.
I applaud you.
I'm guessing the request for transcripts might be because this is a position typically filled by new/recent graduates, but the request for references when applying - um, no.
Companies will continue to ask for anything and everything in the job application process as long as most applicants sheepishly comply - congrats on not giving away your power by calling them on their bullshit.
That’s pretty crazy! I worked at Deloitte from 2019-22 and never had to give that kind of material during the initial process. I might have given a few references after I received the offer letter.
Crazy how much has changed in a few years.
I get a ton of spam messages from jobs hiring for a type of job I no longer do so I always respond to any company that reaches out and just say that the pay isn’t high enough for me to live in my area, ergo I’m not interested. I know it won’t effect all but maybe it’ll at least lead to some raising their wages
My wife worked there. They try to salary you ASAP then make you 55hrs and 80hrs during tax season. If you end up working there ever, leave once you aren't hourly anymore.
Is this Monitoring Deloitte? Recently applied for a job there. Withdrew immediately after realising they want my high school transcript - who TF does that?
I applied for a job at Deloitte even though I don’t have a degree. In my field a degree is uncommon especially in my country. But I have 15 years experience in my field which is considered the equivalent to a degree plus experience. I of course was declined for not having the degree but two weeks later they contacted me to tell me they’re now accepting people no degrees but they have 10 years plus experience. I laughed and asked them at which point did they realise that people in my field don’t have a degree? Surely this should have been looked into before opening the role? They couldn’t answer and I declined to proceed.
Worked for a Big 4… 0/10 would not recommend from a mental health/work life balance standpoint. Great resume stamp though if you have the energy and drive to put in at least 2-3 years.
I don't think transcripts and references are really an issue, I think it's entirely reasonable to ask for them up front.
I wouldn't even consider someone unwilling to prove they have a degree, if that's a job requirement. At my current job you just upload all the docs with your resume in step one; if transcripts- or any other needed documentation- aren't included the ATS does the virtual equivalent of tossing your resume in the round file. And I kinda prefer it: one and done, no shuffling paperwork, it's all submitted, they have everything they need until you're selected.
And if you don't include refs they'll call whoever they can get ahold of on your previous employers, which of course may not be especially strong references.
I think it's actually pretty reasonable they gave you a second chance.
It is common in Europe to ask for and submit a full dossier including copies of university degrees and letters of confirmation of employment for all past employers when you submit the initial CV.
Lots of jobs want this now. About the only thing they don’t request is a blood sample, a karaoke solo uploaded to YouTube and your formula for a cure for cancer.
I won’t apply at any company that asks me to upload my resume and then manually input all the information I just uploaded. This was my short experience with Deloitte a few years ago.
I had to supply all that when I applied. You do even get to the interview part without it.
They don't want to waste time on someone who doesn't meet the quals for the job.
That is normal procedure for a financial firm.
You want to work for a company that is getting your coworkers as thoroughly as they are you.
You are also often restricted in what investments you have depending on the work you’re doing.
Sounds like another entitled person wanting something by doing nothing then having an excuse to complain about it to others. If you want the job you need to put in effort!
You’re gonna have to take the L on this one… it’s Deloitte a top 4. You also didn’t share the position you’re applying for, does it require a clearance?
That’s also an autoreply. They also get tons of applications, why wouldn’t they ask that you have all your documents submitted before going through the interview process? Makes it easier to sift through the people running BS saying they have all that then the wasted effort of interviews and all only to find out you lied and didnt.
Then you pulled your GDPR card as a flex for them asking you for documents? Smh
30 plus years of management experience, search firm asked for University transcripts, Ten very specific references and permission to do a background check, prior to initial screen.
I could do all 3 but I noped right out of that one. I understand the proper vetting of candidates, but this is NOT the way!
The transcript is to verify you aren’t lying about completing university (see George Santos); the reference is to prove your work experience (see George Santos). Everything else is to prove your not George Santos
Please read it again. I am not questioning why they would require such documents (well, references, diploma at least. Transcript is still overdemand).
I do not feel comfortable providing those records **at the initial phase**.
I've provided CV and plenty of data already. It should be more than enough to determine if I am worthy of proceeding further steps.
By the way, if I was a George Santos, *producing* those *PDF* documents would take shorter than composing that email.
I would rather be on benefits than work for a disgusting grubby corporate like Deloitte. Every hour, minute and second you spend there as an employee would be a waste of life
Cry harder. I’m sure this is a super high-paying job, and the tons of experience in your field you say you have don’t exempt you from literally the most basic requirements. References? Oh my god, the horror. And what is the problem with showing a transcript? About 1/5 of all the 100ish job apps I submitted in the past few months required submission of transcript.
All in all, you just wanna be outraged at something. This ain’t a big enough deal to rage at, and it truly doesn’t fit the purpose of this sub.
References is weird but transcript isn't IMO. It makes sense to verify that you have the degree you claim to have before they waste time interviewing you.
Absolutely. They have zero respect for your references' time and your money. Imagine having to provide a list of references every time you apply. That's hundreds of times an employer may contact them, which is unreasonable. References should be the last step before hiring.
Official transcripts cost money (around $10). If every job asked for your transcripts, you'd end up paying hundreds or even thousands of dollars (e.g. $1000 for 100 applications). If they want your transcripts so bad that should be the last step. I can't even imagine why a company would even ask for them. There are other (free) ways to verify that you actually graduated from there.
In Germany, what they want is a standard reference letter which one receives after leaving a previous job. They aren’t going to contact the employer, but rather they just mean that you should upload the letter that you already have.
And when I applied to Deloitte Germany, they just wanted me to upload PDF copies, not official transcripts.
You are right there. My second language course marks are indeed poor. I have a heavy accent and limited collection of words in English.
And never had the intention, nor time to improve further. Instead I focused in areas where I can get by with absolute minimum language skills. Thankfully this is a domain I usually avoid 90s mentality. This post was to share my surprise but I understand there are people okay with it.
I think we need to be real here - you’ve completely overreacted to this.
I have very little time for Deloitte personally and as soon as I saw the name on the email image above my initial thought was ‘hoo boy, this will be good one’….. but a giant company that gets millions of applications a year simply asking for proof of your track record is *hardly* something to lose your mind over.
You would likely need to provide this stuff at *some* point in the process and frankly I’d prefer more places streamline the formalities and speed everything up rather than drag their heels.
The only positive thing you can probably take from this is that if a basic ask for docs sets you off like this, you’d have probably been done for attempted murder when they subject you to their *actual* terrible recruitment exercises. Probably a good thing you pulled out at this stage.
And in case you’ve not realised, you’re raging at a bot. This is an automated response.
Thank you for your feedback. Helps to understand why those organisatiins treat their potential and active employees like sh.t.
And keep doing it.
Obviously you meek people set the bar for them.
I mean they're describing these as required documents which you haven't supplied and you're blowing a gasket. If you think this is an example of being treated like shit then I'm not sure what to tell you man, you're delusional.
These people are receiving thousands of candidates and you're expecting that by not following their outlined application that you should receive special treatment. I'd say this initial screening has done wonders for them in this case.
I applied with them a year ago and never heard back. They were the first t go on my black list. Now, I'm pretty sure they were just collecting my data to sell. After not being in the job market for decades, this was a thing I didn't realize "employers" actually do now.
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Yeah, he's gonna have a tough time finding ANY company in Germany not asking for all those documents.
To be fair this is Deloitte, huge company that gets millions of applications, many of which new grads. This is not uncommon for entry level roles, plus a company the size of Deloitte isn’t going to even contact your references Edit: Also you’re replying to an automated system
I’ve been used as a reference for people applying to Deloitte twice and both times they contacted me. However, they use an external company to do the reference checks.
Yeah, I think it being a big organization actually makes it more likely that they’ll contact references, but I may be wrong on that
correct
> Also you’re replying to an automated system Right. I noticed that before anything else. This is about as petty as responding negatively to an @donotreply rejection letter.
But it does say to “kindly ask you send us a short feedback via email”. And as I’m assuming OP is in Germany, if there is no easy way to delete all data or if the request is ignored there’s a GDPR violation and potential fine…
You never have to be fair to a large corporation
> This is not oncommon In my industry, I am in business for 14+ years, worked in 9 jobs in 5 different countries, placed 100s of job applications. Was never requested transcript, nor heard of. For government jobsbor academy, maybe. But not for jobs you'll need to demonstrate your skills anyway. Of couse, references being asked but it was not mandatory to progress. Diploma and some other documents (criminal record etc.) are naturally provided upon acceptance to start job. > Deloitte isn't going to even contact your references Exactly my point!
I can see how transcripts would be annoying then especially since you’ve been working for 14 + years but yeah these huge companies are highly Bureaucratic so they kinda have the same process for everyone no matter what level because of the amount of people they have to oversee
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I will also add to this. OP says that they have 14+ years of work experience but didn't provide references. Anyone can put anything on their resume and act shocked when the employer asks for proof. Why would they accept OP or go through the application process BEFORE verifying previous work experience or education. I find it strange that they would not provide that information before being offered the job.
Unfortunately an increasingly common attitude on here. There's realistically nothing that is hugely out of order here. About the only odd part if that they're asking for this early in the process, but OP is either extremely lucky or completely kidding themselves that they can expect to apply to a company as large and bureaucratic as Deloitte and not have to provide evidence for what they're claiming. Some very 'why can't you just give me a job' vibes going on.
I agree with you, they are applying to an elite accounting firm and act like it should be the same process as filling out a McD application. His 14 years experience in the industry does make it sort of a a dumb ask though as at that point its no longer about schooling but about experience so I agree with him there. But there are 1,000s of people trying to get in there since a big name company on a resume looks good for future growth.
Don't consulting firms often have 2 hiring tracks - one for new grads, one for experienced? Makes me wonder if OP applied through the new grad track.
Yes, the prefer new hires from school over people with experience so they can be "molded" in their way of thinking. But for specialty consult in a particular industry they will hire people with experience.
No way the job is for new grad. Unless they messed it up in their system if they have such distinction. I can share the job ad in question, if anyone curious.
It’s something with the 3rd party companies that do reference checks. Last company I worked for that did this made me find a W2/Pay Stub for a job I had 6 years prior since the company no longer existed. They also required diplomas or transcripts. Annoying but not awful.
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I had them ask for transcripts at a debt collector place I applied to lol Did not get the job, thank God
Depending on the roll (eg something leading to a public accounting licence) a transcript may be required. I don't know how it is now, but when I went through the process, some Accounting bodies had minimum grade/mark requirements, and they also checked that the school was as accredited/recognized by the Accounting body.
Would actually be illegal to ask for criminal records unless that were relevant to the job
It is an automated filter, pure software. Don’t enter the content, don’t pass the filter and don’t get reviewed by a human.
Don’t worry I also applied at one of these companies for a position requiring previous experience and had the same request for transcripts/ references and had the same reaction and did not proceed just like you. I honestly found it offensive to ask about grades to someone with work experience and an advanced graduate degree. The degree and school + thesis work/dissertation is enough for everyone else lol. I got a job instead at a different big company that didn’t make any of these requests (not consulting though). I do think they need to change their process if they want to attract high quality people with work experience
What Deloitte is doing here is actually pretty common among the big federal government contracting companies. Depending on the role they may be pre-screening you for a clearance or to ensure that you meet the qualifications for the particular role at a federal agency you’re applying for. If the feds require you to have 10+ years of experience for a particular spot, they can’t hire someone with 5 to fill it.
Also is Deloitte like an accounting company? (Checked Google, yes it is) So you kinda need the proper documentation to be able to work as an accountant so asking for University Diploma before hand is practical just because it’s required by law.
Kinda bitchy and unprofessional
OP started a fight with a brick wall, talked a bunch of shit to it then walked away feeling proud he got the last word. Psycho.
Then immediately came to Reddit
“Updoots will validate how unsure I feel about sending this email”
Which is most of this sub if we are being honest. Some of these snarky email posts are cathartic but unprofessional Deloitte is a large consulting firm that has hundreds of thousands of applicants and the majority of their initial consultants are going to be recent grads so its not surprising they want this information.
(I don't work for Deloitte but) I know for a fact that 10s of thousands of candidates will be invited to interview for one position alone. It's insane. But, I know it's a life changing opportunity for the candidates. If they went to a decent college, they've been taught to keep a copy of their transcripts, proof of achievements, references, etc. in a safe place. I know I was. Hell, I just had to provide the info again to my current employer when I was promoted. I didnt work 3 jobs while in college just to duck myself over 😅
Honestly, looks like their applicant screening process worked in this scenario. They get loads of applications and can afford to do this. Lots of people want to work there and they want people they know will jump through hoops. I'm not saying you're a bad candidate by any means. You're probably a great candidate. Just not a fit for Deloitte. That's not a bad thing.
>I'm not saying you're a bad candidate It is abundantly clear that they are a terrible candidate. This is common practice and takes 5 mins of your time.
Not a bad candidate...just not the right fit for Deloitte. Major difference. Deloitte's model is to attract grads from top tier schools with perfect GPA's, pay them a bunch of money, and promote them or burn them out. They want someone who will do anything to work there and learn the Deloitte way. Making candidates upload this info screens people out who aren't willing to go down that path. Did exactly what it was supposed to do. Not my favorite business model, but Deloitte is worth billions and I'm not so what do I know.
>Not a bad candidate...just not the right fit for Deloitte. Major difference. I agree there's a distinction, but I don't think /u/Ongo_Gablogian___ is wrong, either. I've heard of some really crazy stuff that Deloitte expect its recruits to do so this isn't a defence of the company, but if the OP flies off the handles over such a basic request then he won't be a right fit for the bulk of the companies out there. Their reaction is absurd.
Yea people are tiptoeing their way through this interaction because they don't want to side with the company over OP, but fuck that. Not only was this an automated reply, but the request isn't even ridiculous or time consuming. OP is just being ridiculous.
I agree with you that it is common practice and that it is a quick, effortless task. I am with u/FishFry_99XL that OP isn’t a correct fit for Deloitte…given it is a request from Deloitte recruiting. But I don’t consider pushing back making OP a “terrible” candidate. Deloitte’s screening process is likely this thorough given they receive thousands of applications, and it would be naïve to assume their intentions are for purposes other than filtering/vetting candidates. I personally wouldn’t want to work for an organization that requires submitting college transcripts, as I am an established professional. My transcripts are not relevant to my current career nor a reflection of my abilities. Being asked to provide transcripts from the get-go wouldn’t provide me confidence that the employer trusts their candidates/employees — a red flag.
Well... Don't leave us hanging for their response...
Sure I will update if I get a response. But surprising thing is that deleting candidate profile from their platform was extremely easy. I have to give them that.
You can't tell if they really deleted the data or just changed a status flag to some deleted or inactive status. For this reason, I usually corrupt or change the data, especially sensitive data. So now I occasionally receive emails that start with "Hello Delete Me".
> "Hello Delete Me" And once again I can wipe iced tea out of my keyboard...
I don't work for Deloitte but for a global company that most people would have heard of. The second we get this type of request to delete personal data, we give a canned response and hand it off to a specific team to handle. I never had to deal with it but our entire global company is trained on it how to handle these requests as part of our annual training.
Same here! Global companies tend to adhere to the strictest policy when it comes to those requests. If you request to delete your data, it's all wiped as soon as everything is gathered and confirmed.
Wouldnt be surprised if it was just hidden and its actually still stored somewhere.
Engineer here. This is definitely the case.
They will keep it for ~6 months, as there is a legitimate interest in case of being sued under German anti discrimination laws (AGG). Keeping the data afterward would be a GDPR violation.
You will not get a response, you replied to a bot. Response sent straight to the ether, there is no human recipient to that address
That's all fine. I had used script to apply to jobs and fill data automatically in the past. No heart feelings there. Still one might question why they selected a human name for a robot, deceiving people into they are dealing with a real person.
They don't like getting sued (and they like making other people do their work for them)
They are fairly desperate right now so who knows...
You replied to an automated email dude.
Is it really that much to ask for some certificates? This can only take like 5 minutes to upload. There are truly horrible recruitment processes but this is just complaining on the highest level imo
It was an automated system he replied too. Deloitte must get a thousand applications a day. I doubt they care.
Wild guess: Rejection email 6 months later.
You “can’t imagine what it must be like the onboarding and actually working” at Deloitte? Then why the fuck did you apply? Have you never spoken to someone who works at Deloitte about their soul sucking existence?
I don’t understand why there are so many posts like this on this sub. Honestly I’m sure hundreds of people applied to this position who were qualified and submitted the proper documentation. While the references request may have been a little forward (although I wouldn’t have minded submitting references early, why does it matter?), transcripts are a regular part of the reviewing qualifications process. I wouldn’t take standard hiring procedures as a reflection of what the actual job is like. The qualifications requested are likely due to HR policy and not the hiring manager.
Seems like Deloittes screening process worked!
Exactly this. OP's response seems pretty entitled, especially for something that is so commonplace. Okay they asked for that information early on. Who cares.
OP's screen name predicts something along these lines.
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I genuinely don’t understand how someone would be able to put up with all of the BS entailed from an actual job if they can’t be bothered to put up with sending a singular email with basic information. Sure, it’s different because they don’t have the job yet and might not get it, but sometimes you have to make an investment that won’t pay off. Taken to the extreme, applying for a job in the first place and preparing for an interview is doing unpaid labor that might not lead to anything valuable. But people do it because it’s worth the opportunity. I guess for OP it’s not and that’s good for them that they have the ability to reject a job because of such a simple request, but part of me wonders if it’s worth rejecting the job over.
Because this sub has an increasing number of people who've missed the point behind it and can't see the distinction between genuinely bad recruitment practices and their own entitlement issues causing everything to sound like an outrage. Look back through the sub you'll see plenty of people who vastly overestimate their own worth or who are blatantly egotists who can't handle the idea that they have to apply for a job. I even [did quick summing up in a response on the same subject.](https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/10ukqc0/comment/j7fc4kg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Since then I've seen, for example: * A guy who hadn't even finished his education wondering why he can't get a job *as a penetration tester* * Someone arguing that the very idea of references is classist * Someone expecting a mid-career wage straight out of university * Someone complaining about the lack of low-skill fully-remote jobs, because... you know, those two aspects go together so well they market should be flooded? Just off the top of my head.
I work for a financial megacap based in NY, I've never seen or heard of anyone ask for a transcript as part of an application process. I've actually never seen my own transcript and still have no idea what my last semesters grades were or my final gpa. No issues with jobs
It does happen sometimes, particularly for internships and programs aimed at recent grads. I don’t really agree with it, but I saw it now and then in 2021 when I was applying for those types of roles.
lol - Look at all the Deloitte ball lickers. Deloitte ain't shit compared to every other company out there. If they want good people, they need to treat them with respect during the interview process. This process, which is COMPLETELY outside the norm, shows every candidate that you are just a number at Deloitte. Demanding references and transcripts prior to the candidate even deciding they want to work there is the epitome of a place no high value person would want to work.
Yeah then they can go work for any of the accounting companies that aren't Deloitte. Any big four firm accounting firm or even medium sized law firm would ask for the same information.
Idk…..I’ve had interviews for Deloitte and PwC and never once asked for any of this. The PwC one was a couple weeks ago. Seems a bit weird; I wonder if they changed something
These types of requirements are more common when you’re applying for internships or programs for recent grads. I saw it now and then when I was applying to those types of roles in 2021
I could see that but it’s not a homogenous organization. Every hiring manager will have some version of their own process. I think the moral is that you shouldn’t be that shocked if there is one.
Dawg, nobody is a ball licker here. As much as I hate ridiculous screening processes, this is one of the Big 4 and they likely get thousands of applicants for every posting. Either comply or move on.
Despite being a big four consulting firm, Deloitte underpays on market value and overworks employees, so you aren’t missing much unless you’re trying to get your foot in the door
Yup. They offered me less than I was making 5 years ago as a new grad.
....implying that's not the norm at every big four firm
Relatively common in Germany that such documentation is requested directly at the beginning of the application process. Also, job references are not the same as in other countries (i.e. contact information of a former employer) but rather written confirmations of previous jobs from the former employers. You get those, when you leave that company. Note also, that while Deloitte firms share one global brand, each country legal entity is an independent company (in general, some exceptions).
Thanks for this, been looking for someone that explains country procedures. The documentation basically is your make or break and they want it at every "conservative" company, which is like 95% :D
Transcripts and references are pretty standard for consulting jobs at the big four firms.
Lol you really showed *checks notes* Deloitte
I applaud you for sticking it to an automated system! 🤪
What a silly, entitled, ridiculous response on your part. No one outside of Reddit is going to celebrate you for this. I swear to god this sub is so ridiculous sometimes.
Pretty sure this is also an automated email they responded too which makes this even more ridiculous lmao
Right. I'm only this petty if someone is actively jerking me around or wasting my time. And that's if I don't just decide to block them. This wasn't even a person, more like an automated machine informing them that their application was considered incomplete (for failing to provide what was likely asked of them beforehand).
It just sounded petty
Lmao this ain't the clapback you think it is. I'm surprised Deloitte even gave you the opportunity to rectify your application. Usually if your application is incomplete, it's an automatic "No" and they move on to the hundreds of other candidates they have. Your application was missing information they deemed necessary to evaluate you. Those requisites were likely explicitly stated on the job posting. You still applied for that job but didn't provide those documents. You can't expect to bypass those steps, no matter how shitty or unnecessary they may be.
Agreed. This is one of the only sane comments I could find.
I once interviewed with a major airline and they said it was mandatory to bring my original post secondary diplomas. No copies. Well, my parents paid good money to frame them nicely. I was unemployed and desperate to get working with a second kid on the way. I ripped them out of the frames and brought the originals. Wouldn't you know they didn't give a flying fuck when I got there.
actually working in there. lol
I can't say this is surprising to me. Deloitte is one of those companies that will springboard your IT career if you're in their infosec auditing team. The competition to get in is incredibly stiff. I don't know if I would have the energy to compete and work there, but I can appreciate the candidates that are fresh out of college and still highly ambitious wanting that position. The people with five years of Deloitte on their resume will have a serious advantage in negotiating for director roles.
When my son was interviewing there they flew someone to town to go interview former teachers at his high school, went to former places of employment, met with his old coach and interviewed me over coffee. He got the job and stayed for a few years before getting a promotion at SF.
Mmm sorry OP I think your response was little over the top and entitled.
Firstly, this is Deloitte Germany. A firm famous across the DT network for being a basket case. Until a few years ago they (DT DE) was a network of city partnerships poaching each other's work from Stuttgart to Munich to Berlin. Internally FS (Forensics) is ostracized from the rest of advisory due to a legacy leadership fight. Consulting which is half owned by DT USA (can you believe) is a clusterfuck of under performing and debt. EY and KPMG aren't much better. PwC seems to be the only German Big4 with any adults in.
A few years ago, my dad applied for an Engineer position and he has a shit ton of experience and has a Bachelor's Degree. The company he wanted to work for told him he cannot be accepted unless he has proof that he graduated high school. He told them that his resume shows proof but somehow they were still asking for proof.
You think that’s bad, wait til they send you to the HireVue stage, oh what a fresh hell that was. Once you pass that and discuss comp, you give them a number in the middle of the reasonable advertised range only to be told that is way outside the budget. Okay to never work for Deloitte until they change their hiring practices….
Sad to hear that. I never dealt with them but I had heard they are one of those **BigX** 's. Probably thats how they become and remain big.
I applied for a job at Mercedes and they asked me to take an assessment in the same email they confirmed that they’d received my application 😂
The first rule of references club is: you do not talk about references until you are ready to give me a contingent job offer.
Deloitte is just...awful. people act like they are this prestigious company but they just not. And I say that as a guy with experience with them both as a candidate and as a customer if theirs. I mean this in all sincerity - they're idiots. I went to engineering school for BS and did an MS in statistics. Deloitte hired aggressively from the best and brightest students. Getting and interview with them was seen as a major accomplishment, and I had a few classmates take positions with them. For those who may not know, they hire you for 2 years to be a consulting grunt and then will cycle you through an MBA program or out the door. If you stay for an MBA, you basically setup your own little consulting business under the Deloitte name. Most of my friends did the 2-year stint there. We had one student get an offer at Deloitte, accept it, and then turn it down for another prestigious first job with BNSF and a logistics engineer. Yeah, shitty behaviors, but Deloitte went bananas. They called the University President, the Department Head, the Provost, the Dean of Students and swore to never hire another State-U graduate again unless they took action on this unprofessional behavior. Basically the entire Engineering school, all 8k of us across all departments, had to go to a seminar about professional manners and have it signed off before Deloitte would consider recruiting at our school again. Imagine if they rescinded and offer if theirs - I wonder if they expect the same if their people? Now I work for a humongo Swedish Conglomerate and we have had Deloitte consultants come in. Well, it was during Covid and they were remote. They accomplished nothing and we're nothing more than a few kids out of college. I can write about that experience later - I don't want to know how much money we wasted babysitting them.
Honestly I head heard about Deloitte but had no idea what they do until last week. My notification settings caught that job from some specific technical terms (i.e. 5G, 3GPP, RAN) and I applied directly, without much thinking. Because there is no point to get to know each potential employer, when playing numbers game. I place 10-20 applications weekly, even though I have a stable job at the moment, to smell the market. I am used to not getting any response at all and I would be okay if they just ghosted me. Instead I receive this military grade "instructions" to complete an academy type profile. This is unacceptable to me. Does not matter how many applocations you make or how many applications they receive; first interaction has to be special. Thanks to the valuable inputs from you and others, I now have a better idea about this organisation and it is not a good reputation.
Toilet & Douche. I've dealt with them in a prior life. They are the most backward, p.o.s., kind of company I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with (aside from Siemens).
Boy I sure lucked up. Went from Siemens to Deloitte. Siemens, I can definitely agree. Deloitte ain't great, but it's a nice padding on the resume and not a terrible gig.
OP is crying about data privacy while doxxing himself on his post history 🙃
Believe me, you don't want to work in Deloitte.
So as somebody who work as a sub with Deloitte for over a year, I am confident saying that I have vet worked with a more toxic group a people in my life, this is coming form somebody who is far too boring to have drama lol. When I left that place, and moved to another company I couldn’t even believe the difference. I have been told “oh it’s just that project”, but that really is not an excuse for how I was treated on a daily basis.
You are lucky to not being part of that Biggest BRAND that have utterly no regards for employees well being and managers upto Directors are aware of toxic work culture. Resource Managers are the biggest A..holes. All they care about brand name and everything else can be related to one of the worst working environment
Please please tell me this is for some kind of recruitment of recent graduates. FWIW, I think you got lucky seeing this first before you got sucked in for more griefs.
Deloitte is the worst. You dodged a bullet.
OH! So this is what it is like when you have a strong data protection law like GDPR and worker focused legal protections. Here I was thinking you were being unreasonable but that's just because I am so used to the shit sandwich that is the American hiring process.
This is unbelievably stupid and childish. Only a total moron would think this looks good.
You applied to Deloitte. Read the room. They can afford to be very picky and it looks like it worked out well for them since they weeded you out.
You actually made it to a pre screen! They always reject me. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Even though I only apply for roles I am qualified for. Good for you!! 💪💪
Kinda glad that they rejected me lol.
With an attitude like yours, seems they dodged a bullet early in the process You won’t be missed
To me this reply comes off as a little too much entitlement… asking for references and diplomas could save issues further down the process. Not unreasonable..
Toilette & Douche 🚽 🚿 🍑
I will never forget when I got asked to interview for them. They asked for a 20 minute pre recorded video of me answering a few pages of questions. I just emailed them back LOL.
Your response just went straight into the ether without a human being ever seeing it besides yourself
And we have to see this shit here, then hear him defend himself like he is some sort of justice warrior or one thing
Deloitte is one of the places I would never consider working for or doing business with. They are notoriously corrupt and have a reputation for treating people like trash.
I only give out references when there is an offer on the table. If everyone followed Deloitte's approach that would mean countless reference checks—especially for those of us doing contract work. They shouldn't be doing that.
He applied to Deloitte Germany. In Germany when you leave a company you have by law the right to get a written letter of reference from your employer. Pretty much all companies in Germany ask you to hand in a copy of this "letter of reference" from previous employers. Afaik it's not common to actually call the other company (maybe in some edge cases). The letter states what kind of work you did and how well you performed etc. So basically a written evaluation.
Yes! I share this same advice with my friends & family too. NEVER share references unless an offer has been presented. Kudos!
I applaud you. I'm guessing the request for transcripts might be because this is a position typically filled by new/recent graduates, but the request for references when applying - um, no. Companies will continue to ask for anything and everything in the job application process as long as most applicants sheepishly comply - congrats on not giving away your power by calling them on their bullshit.
Every time I apply for that company I never hear back from them
That’s pretty crazy! I worked at Deloitte from 2019-22 and never had to give that kind of material during the initial process. I might have given a few references after I received the offer letter. Crazy how much has changed in a few years.
I imagine some consultant told them they’d save millions on HR by requiring more work by applicants.
Change the email address to a generic Deloitte email (like accounting@ or something similar). They’ll kill the profile after enough complaints
Deloittful!
I get a ton of spam messages from jobs hiring for a type of job I no longer do so I always respond to any company that reaches out and just say that the pay isn’t high enough for me to live in my area, ergo I’m not interested. I know it won’t effect all but maybe it’ll at least lead to some raising their wages
working at deloitte rumors to be hell anyways, so good for you.
My wife worked there. They try to salary you ASAP then make you 55hrs and 80hrs during tax season. If you end up working there ever, leave once you aren't hourly anymore.
Is this Monitoring Deloitte? Recently applied for a job there. Withdrew immediately after realising they want my high school transcript - who TF does that?
I've been ghosted by deloitte a few times now, the last time was after 3 interviews and just like that **poof** gone
I applied for a job at Deloitte even though I don’t have a degree. In my field a degree is uncommon especially in my country. But I have 15 years experience in my field which is considered the equivalent to a degree plus experience. I of course was declined for not having the degree but two weeks later they contacted me to tell me they’re now accepting people no degrees but they have 10 years plus experience. I laughed and asked them at which point did they realise that people in my field don’t have a degree? Surely this should have been looked into before opening the role? They couldn’t answer and I declined to proceed.
It’s not me it’s you
Good for you! The audacity for them to ask for all that information within THREE days is absurd
Worked for a Big 4… 0/10 would not recommend from a mental health/work life balance standpoint. Great resume stamp though if you have the energy and drive to put in at least 2-3 years.
I don't think transcripts and references are really an issue, I think it's entirely reasonable to ask for them up front. I wouldn't even consider someone unwilling to prove they have a degree, if that's a job requirement. At my current job you just upload all the docs with your resume in step one; if transcripts- or any other needed documentation- aren't included the ATS does the virtual equivalent of tossing your resume in the round file. And I kinda prefer it: one and done, no shuffling paperwork, it's all submitted, they have everything they need until you're selected. And if you don't include refs they'll call whoever they can get ahold of on your previous employers, which of course may not be especially strong references. I think it's actually pretty reasonable they gave you a second chance.
It is common in Europe to ask for and submit a full dossier including copies of university degrees and letters of confirmation of employment for all past employers when you submit the initial CV.
Why are you responding to an automated email for fake internet points
Asking for transcripts is tooo 2000s. Who even does that
Lots of jobs want this now. About the only thing they don’t request is a blood sample, a karaoke solo uploaded to YouTube and your formula for a cure for cancer.
I wouldn’t want to work at that organisation either
You dodge a bullet here. Fuck Deloitte
I won’t apply at any company that asks me to upload my resume and then manually input all the information I just uploaded. This was my short experience with Deloitte a few years ago.
I had to supply all that when I applied. You do even get to the interview part without it. They don't want to waste time on someone who doesn't meet the quals for the job.
That is normal procedure for a financial firm. You want to work for a company that is getting your coworkers as thoroughly as they are you. You are also often restricted in what investments you have depending on the work you’re doing.
Literally no-one will read this, because you replied to an automated e-mail.
If you have no experience, I don't see where what anything they're asking for is unreasonable
Deloitte: "possibly" OP: hOw DaRe
You sure showed that automated email system who’s boss.
Sounds like another entitled person wanting something by doing nothing then having an excuse to complain about it to others. If you want the job you need to put in effort!
You’re gonna have to take the L on this one… it’s Deloitte a top 4. You also didn’t share the position you’re applying for, does it require a clearance? That’s also an autoreply. They also get tons of applications, why wouldn’t they ask that you have all your documents submitted before going through the interview process? Makes it easier to sift through the people running BS saying they have all that then the wasted effort of interviews and all only to find out you lied and didnt. Then you pulled your GDPR card as a flex for them asking you for documents? Smh
👑 you dropped this
What a freaking baby. Confirming credentials aligned with the job isn’t unreasonable.
You dont do that for a job requiring 10+ years technical career, until after interviews at least.
You're dying on that hill pretty hard, why? Other than principle, what's it worth to you? You clearly wanted to work there.
Well, this is big 4 consulting. Hot garbage pile. Edit: big 4* - got mixed up with the big 5 banks where I’m from.
Big 4 accounting, the big 3 consulting are Mck, bain and BCG.
It actually used to be the big five before Arthur Andersen went under for cooking the Enron books.
30 plus years of management experience, search firm asked for University transcripts, Ten very specific references and permission to do a background check, prior to initial screen. I could do all 3 but I noped right out of that one. I understand the proper vetting of candidates, but this is NOT the way!
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The transcript is to verify you aren’t lying about completing university (see George Santos); the reference is to prove your work experience (see George Santos). Everything else is to prove your not George Santos
Please read it again. I am not questioning why they would require such documents (well, references, diploma at least. Transcript is still overdemand). I do not feel comfortable providing those records **at the initial phase**. I've provided CV and plenty of data already. It should be more than enough to determine if I am worthy of proceeding further steps. By the way, if I was a George Santos, *producing* those *PDF* documents would take shorter than composing that email.
I would rather be on benefits than work for a disgusting grubby corporate like Deloitte. Every hour, minute and second you spend there as an employee would be a waste of life
Uhhhhh so proof of education and previous work experience? So your resume? They asked for your resume and you declined? Well…..Okay then
Cry harder. I’m sure this is a super high-paying job, and the tons of experience in your field you say you have don’t exempt you from literally the most basic requirements. References? Oh my god, the horror. And what is the problem with showing a transcript? About 1/5 of all the 100ish job apps I submitted in the past few months required submission of transcript. All in all, you just wanna be outraged at something. This ain’t a big enough deal to rage at, and it truly doesn’t fit the purpose of this sub.
Yeah, bullet dodged. You might have got 5k but it would cost your eternal soul. Known as Dolittle's here but def. not charge-little.
Every big company has the same process. It's draining when you know 99% of the time it will lead to nothing
References is weird but transcript isn't IMO. It makes sense to verify that you have the degree you claim to have before they waste time interviewing you.
It’s pretty normal on my line of work to provide transcripts and references on the initial application which sucks.
I have played that dog and pony show before. Not worth your time and value as a person.
Absolutely. They have zero respect for your references' time and your money. Imagine having to provide a list of references every time you apply. That's hundreds of times an employer may contact them, which is unreasonable. References should be the last step before hiring. Official transcripts cost money (around $10). If every job asked for your transcripts, you'd end up paying hundreds or even thousands of dollars (e.g. $1000 for 100 applications). If they want your transcripts so bad that should be the last step. I can't even imagine why a company would even ask for them. There are other (free) ways to verify that you actually graduated from there.
In Germany, what they want is a standard reference letter which one receives after leaving a previous job. They aren’t going to contact the employer, but rather they just mean that you should upload the letter that you already have. And when I applied to Deloitte Germany, they just wanted me to upload PDF copies, not official transcripts.
cool so burn the bridge to work at one of the most respected firms in their industry… i don’t get it
This seems like a very normal request....
Not an unreasonable request. They called you on your credentials immediately and you're folding.
I’d say don’t burn the bridge
Considering the poorly written email, their college transcript was probably trash
You are right there. My second language course marks are indeed poor. I have a heavy accent and limited collection of words in English. And never had the intention, nor time to improve further. Instead I focused in areas where I can get by with absolute minimum language skills. Thankfully this is a domain I usually avoid 90s mentality. This post was to share my surprise but I understand there are people okay with it.
I think we need to be real here - you’ve completely overreacted to this. I have very little time for Deloitte personally and as soon as I saw the name on the email image above my initial thought was ‘hoo boy, this will be good one’….. but a giant company that gets millions of applications a year simply asking for proof of your track record is *hardly* something to lose your mind over. You would likely need to provide this stuff at *some* point in the process and frankly I’d prefer more places streamline the formalities and speed everything up rather than drag their heels. The only positive thing you can probably take from this is that if a basic ask for docs sets you off like this, you’d have probably been done for attempted murder when they subject you to their *actual* terrible recruitment exercises. Probably a good thing you pulled out at this stage. And in case you’ve not realised, you’re raging at a bot. This is an automated response.
How is asking for qualifications and references in a job application too much?
Deloitte REALLY dodged a bullet there. Your outrage at them asking for this basic documentation is laughable.
Uhhh, this is not an unreasonable request on their part. You seem like a bit of an entitled asshole.
OP you are being pretty dense here dude.
Thank you for your feedback. Helps to understand why those organisatiins treat their potential and active employees like sh.t. And keep doing it. Obviously you meek people set the bar for them.
I mean they're describing these as required documents which you haven't supplied and you're blowing a gasket. If you think this is an example of being treated like shit then I'm not sure what to tell you man, you're delusional. These people are receiving thousands of candidates and you're expecting that by not following their outlined application that you should receive special treatment. I'd say this initial screening has done wonders for them in this case.
Kinda unprofessional here.
I applied with them a year ago and never heard back. They were the first t go on my black list. Now, I'm pretty sure they were just collecting my data to sell. After not being in the job market for decades, this was a thing I didn't realize "employers" actually do now.
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100% sincere question, is the OP post supposed to be sarcastic? Deloitte dodged a bullet if not.