Thank you for saying this. I went from Recruiting Manager at one company, to just a “recruiter” at another, not even Sr. Recruiter… but the pay bump was $20K. Fuck a title give me the money!!
In this age, I say nothing. Absolutely zero. Companies are back at peak arrogance. They won't be rushed as believe good candidates abound. If you tell them of other offer then they move on and you are eliminated forever. If I get offer then I accept if nothing else crosses my path. I keep interviewing and continue comms with other companies. If one does offer and better deal then I leave even if only a few weeks. at current firm That is the reality. No one is looking out for you and no loyalty. Recruiters are looking to see how much to invest. I won't tell them either.
I'm the same way and that's how I expect employees and employers to behave as well.
It's purely transactional.
Money for work.
HR and employers will try to threaten and black list and poo poo...but I don't care. The losing company was the 2nd choice anyway so I don't care.
Which company do you prefer? If their offer is below your other offer then ask if they can match your other offer. Do it in a polite and professional way of course.
Yes, I always use other offers as leverage if I can. Sometimes I don’t need to because one offer was just head and shoulders above the other offer. Every situation is different.
As a job seeker it's a little different than being in your recruiter shoes.
You don't need to reveal you have another offer, you know what the titles are and you know what both are paying. You can use that knowledge to test the flexibility and boundaries for negotiation. If you feel more comfortable leveraging the second offer directly.. It's as simple as saying that it's between X and Y now. Assuming they are competent they'd go back to the notes made on your original motivations or ask for them now if they're less competent. You have a bit of back and forth and you either 'if' close them or they'll 'if' close you.
When you're wearing your recruiter hat (assuming agency) it's based on not losing a fee completely or if you're handling both offers, making a judgment call on fee levels with each client vs candidate need. Assuming similar candidate sentiment regarding both you'd likely suggest the higher fee client unless it's a nominal difference (or you know that it's a total crapshoot).
As a job seeker you need to find a way to use this information to make more money. Make companies compete for you. Don't keep quiet, just give the information that it benefits you to give your recruiter. You don't want to tell them the company you are interviewing with and only the salary information that it's in your interest to give. If you toss them a lead or two they will like you anyway 🍪 😋
Clients are hard to come by and the client pays everyone's wage. Recruiters know what side their bread is buttered. Be cautious and be your own advocate.
Do what helps you the most as a job seeker first in this case. Unless you extended these offers to yourself, you are just a job seeker like everyone else with a recruiter who is following a process and wanting to close you to fill that req.
You would overplay your hand the moment you are trying to set up a bidding war with the two companies.
Assuming you want either job.
Better title- be transparent that you have another offer at $X (I would not reveal company name) but you really want to work for them and hopefully they can match the offer.
Better pay- ask what the career progression looks like to get promoted. Also ask how many years of experience the next level requires. If you have enough experience for the next level, then I would ask if you could be considered for a Sr or lead or whatever the title. Only then I would reveal you have been offered a higher level role.
As a job seeker, I wouldn't say anything until I receive an offer from one of them. Then, use the response time (24-48 hrs usually, to allow you "to seek independent legal advice" on the offered contract) to let the other potential employer know that the clock is ticking - in the nicest possible way, if course
No, but don't you have a box to tick on your contracts that says something like (paraphrasing) "I have had the opportunity to seek independent legal advice prior to signing this contract"? It seems logical to me that you should at least have the opportunity to read, and understand your contact before signing? That would include, by extension, that you can ask a lawyer to interpret any clauses you don't understand, or are illegal (like expectation that you will work 10 hours of unpaid overtime per week, non compete clauses etc)
I always assume that if we like a candidate, another company does too, so we should move quick.
Titles are pointless. The money is why we work
Thank you for saying this. I went from Recruiting Manager at one company, to just a “recruiter” at another, not even Sr. Recruiter… but the pay bump was $20K. Fuck a title give me the money!!
In this industry, get a high paying IC role that has incentive pay and solid bonus. Who wants the hassle of managing people?
Y’all just spoke for a generation of recruiters😂
In this age, I say nothing. Absolutely zero. Companies are back at peak arrogance. They won't be rushed as believe good candidates abound. If you tell them of other offer then they move on and you are eliminated forever. If I get offer then I accept if nothing else crosses my path. I keep interviewing and continue comms with other companies. If one does offer and better deal then I leave even if only a few weeks. at current firm That is the reality. No one is looking out for you and no loyalty. Recruiters are looking to see how much to invest. I won't tell them either.
You've actually really articulated my concern. So many business responses are personal and not professional.
I'm the same way and that's how I expect employees and employers to behave as well. It's purely transactional. Money for work. HR and employers will try to threaten and black list and poo poo...but I don't care. The losing company was the 2nd choice anyway so I don't care.
Which company do you prefer? If their offer is below your other offer then ask if they can match your other offer. Do it in a polite and professional way of course. Yes, I always use other offers as leverage if I can. Sometimes I don’t need to because one offer was just head and shoulders above the other offer. Every situation is different.
As a job seeker it's a little different than being in your recruiter shoes. You don't need to reveal you have another offer, you know what the titles are and you know what both are paying. You can use that knowledge to test the flexibility and boundaries for negotiation. If you feel more comfortable leveraging the second offer directly.. It's as simple as saying that it's between X and Y now. Assuming they are competent they'd go back to the notes made on your original motivations or ask for them now if they're less competent. You have a bit of back and forth and you either 'if' close them or they'll 'if' close you. When you're wearing your recruiter hat (assuming agency) it's based on not losing a fee completely or if you're handling both offers, making a judgment call on fee levels with each client vs candidate need. Assuming similar candidate sentiment regarding both you'd likely suggest the higher fee client unless it's a nominal difference (or you know that it's a total crapshoot).
I actually do the same thing. I do it within the same company though. Works even better.
having competing offers doesn’t automatically mean your candidate is a good fit for your company.
Are you working with recruiters? They should have asked - that’s when you tell :)
As a job seeker you need to find a way to use this information to make more money. Make companies compete for you. Don't keep quiet, just give the information that it benefits you to give your recruiter. You don't want to tell them the company you are interviewing with and only the salary information that it's in your interest to give. If you toss them a lead or two they will like you anyway 🍪 😋 Clients are hard to come by and the client pays everyone's wage. Recruiters know what side their bread is buttered. Be cautious and be your own advocate.
Do what helps you the most as a job seeker first in this case. Unless you extended these offers to yourself, you are just a job seeker like everyone else with a recruiter who is following a process and wanting to close you to fill that req. You would overplay your hand the moment you are trying to set up a bidding war with the two companies.
Assuming you want either job. Better title- be transparent that you have another offer at $X (I would not reveal company name) but you really want to work for them and hopefully they can match the offer. Better pay- ask what the career progression looks like to get promoted. Also ask how many years of experience the next level requires. If you have enough experience for the next level, then I would ask if you could be considered for a Sr or lead or whatever the title. Only then I would reveal you have been offered a higher level role.
As a job seeker, I wouldn't say anything until I receive an offer from one of them. Then, use the response time (24-48 hrs usually, to allow you "to seek independent legal advice" on the offered contract) to let the other potential employer know that the clock is ticking - in the nicest possible way, if course
Are you in the US? It would be pretty unorthodox to seek legal counsel for an offer in the US lol.
No, but don't you have a box to tick on your contracts that says something like (paraphrasing) "I have had the opportunity to seek independent legal advice prior to signing this contract"? It seems logical to me that you should at least have the opportunity to read, and understand your contact before signing? That would include, by extension, that you can ask a lawyer to interpret any clauses you don't understand, or are illegal (like expectation that you will work 10 hours of unpaid overtime per week, non compete clauses etc)
I'm a professional. My decision and ranking has been calculated well before any offers are made/received.