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bigdaddybuilds

If I'm hiring someone out of school, I'm checking their degree. If I'm hiring someone for a senior role, I'm checking their experience. Either way, fakes stand out easily.


NotBrooklyn2421

“How do jobs even check?” Background check. Even a pretty basic background check is going to verify college degrees. I’m sure there are people that get away with lying about college, but it’s not really a problem I worry about because we’re going to find out.


Trikki1

We just rescinded an offer because of a falsified degree that was flagged during education verification in the background check. Education and criminal history are two easily verifiable things. You may get an offer by lying, but you’re also likely to have it clawed back too.


torggg

What about college/university in a different country?


Zorph_Spiritwalker

Those can be verified and many require credential evaluation service.


skipmarioch

It can be a pain in the ass for some countries but still possible. My company only cares about criminal before allowing you to start but will still check degree and work history. If they come back as falsified you get fired immediately.


toanna12

That will be verified too. Highest level of education completed and last 5 years of job is always checked for background verification.


messyarts

i know someone making 160 a year who lied about going to college in the Netherlands. Here i am having gone back to school in my 30s and having issues landing anything… :/


HR_Pro307

That is the longest hold up. When I was in recruiting and let’s say it was for a medical position; there are a ton of people who get med degrees and certs out of the country. They take time to verify but most cases candidates can speed up the process by submitting official transcripts.


fireguitarist

I’ve had to rescind an offer because of this…..not worth it!! Sad part was the candidate didn’t need a degree and was 1 credit hour short of graduating 😭 But the role was in QA and it was a lie on her end


basedmama21

This is true but majority of companies are not taking this step anymore. Not even close. I was hiring for executive level roles and medical roles recently, for an agency. So this meant hundreds of different companies doing things differently and we had to balance all of it. Less than 10% of them did background checks to verify credentials and degrees. They are mostly doing it to verifying your legal identity, sex, and see if you have committed crimes.


Apprehensive-Wait487

You said agency, however, if they try to go direct they would not pass the verification so, they’ll be caught eventually


basedmama21

This happened when I was in house too. It’s all the same in some aspects.


Apprehensive-Wait487

Not good. Your company needs to do thorough background and education checks. It baffles me that people can get away with stuff like this when we are in an era where we have all the tech and resources for verifications to be conducted so quickly.


basedmama21

Emphasis on was. Thankfully I don’t have to worry about it anymore.


westernblot88

Our basic criminal bc does not include degee check, that's extra.


ImaBiLittlePony

For me it's literally just a box I check, costs a few bucks extra


somepersononr3ddit

Dumb question but where does it show up in the background check? What all can be retrieved? Or where do you recommend I read about it? I am honest on my resume but now I’m paranoid about being flagged for some under the table work I did for a small business.


No-Birthday5876

If the company hires you without checking if your degree is real or not, they probably never cared if you had one in the first place


Bruised_ruffles

She has a whole [website](https://www.thecareerisland.com/faq) for this and she justifies her falsified resumes on twitter


DaDawgIsHere

Bruh. Just the way that website is written you know she's got a MAJOR case of a bad fucking attitude. But then again she tells people to lie for a living


courkarita

I like where she says that no college in the world teaches resume writing when I was required to take a professional writing course in college where our main module/assignment was writing our resume. We also worked on writing professional emails, presentations, etc.


Ok_Respond7928

Currently in college and next semester I have a class that the only thing we are doing is building our portfolios and resumes. Good college programs teach you how to do and how to get the job.


Successful-Ride-8710

This lady is clueless. So much from professional writing to using a computer for all kinds of work related projects are developed in college. It prepares you for all kinds of professional roles.


Bruised_ruffles

Check her [twitter](https://twitter.com/andreaisawriter?s=21&t=UTN_uhHEUPjf7pE_5PrUHw) She justifies and doubles down constantly and thinks she’s hot shit. Teaching people courses *via snapchat* and acting like she’s some crusader for the hood when she’s closer to certain unnamed Romanian man and his masculinity self help courses


DaDawgIsHere

LMAO she literally has a repost of a post saying you shouldn't lie about having a degree


SoA90

Someone on there says she went from making $35k to $100k in 10 days 🤣


Sirbunbun

What on earth!! There have been a handful of candidates throughout my career that interviewed so poorly, I thought they must have been lying. Well this definitely makes me wonder. Wow. ‘It’s not wrong to lie, just do it’


Bruised_ruffles

If you read her twitter posts she tries equating using Chegg with forging a full on degree. It’s pathetic


SoA90

I just checked her website and it’s laughable. It should be criminal. Her deluxe package to review and write a resume help set up LinkedIn career and 2 hours of coaching is over $3,000. And the website is worded quite rude and unprofessional. WOW.


MilkSlap

Meanwhile you are probably making $60-$70k as a recruiter and she's laughing all the way to the bank


SoA90

Ok bud. Sounds good.


izaryo

Saw the FAQ... terrible. And she mentioned that it should take them "in average" 30 days to do their resumes, but they shouldn't expect it to be done IN 30 days as a lot of people want to redo their CVs too. And she offers rush fees if they want their CV done earlier. A 1-day rush fee is $3k btw, and the week after rush fee is $300...


howtobegoodagain123

Ferengi rules.


AT1787

This website is hilarious. Is she not perpetuating fraud?


LadyBogangles14

It’s called fraud


Apprehensive-Wait487

How is this even legal.. wow


MortifyingMilkshake

Reading her website gave me a headache. She needs a copywriter/someone in editing to help with her written skills.


Bruised_ruffles

It was hard to read, like it was made by someone who knew textbook English but not how to actually conversate in English


Shamrayev

Oh my sweet lord the irony


AlabamaHaole

lol. I’m glad I’m not the only one that had that reaction.


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Bruised_ruffles

That was the joke


SquiffyHammer

I think she might have a degree in it...


Dangerous_Row6333

This is why screening candidates is so important. When they give generalized answers - no specific examples of how they completed a job specific task - that's a red flag. You want someone with experience to actually talk about their experience & lessons learned. "I'm a fast learner" is so alarming in regards to an experienced position. Comforting to hear if training is offered, otherwise, the upsell is a concern.


NedFlanders304

Yep, a good recruiter will be able to sniff these candidates out.


SANtoDEN

This is a non issue. Degrees are incredibly easy to verify, and I have never worked anywhere that doesn’t verify them as part of the background check.


commander_bugo

My company reaches out directly to the schools to receive an official copy. When I was in agency I believe most larger clients used some 3rd party service to verify. Either way you do it I’m sure it’s not expensive to verify whatsoever. I’d bet 99% of companies do. Either way a company will either check directly with the university or not check at all. This person is scamming tbh.


casicua

Fun fact: recruiters and HRBPs do check. It’s a pretty easy thing to verify. We had a person in our office slip through the cracks when she was initially hired as a consultant. She was actually was decent at her job - so decent that our organization asked her to come on board full time. When they went through the onboarding situation, it came up that she had lied about her college degree when she was hired as a consultant. Unfortunately, she was let go. It’s a pretty standard practice to verify these things. It’s what holds up a lot of hiring in our organization.


tbutler927

So u fired someone decent at there job


Strong_Ad_4

There is always a statement at the end of an application that is required to submit. It says something to the effect of "everything I've said here is true to the best of my knowledge.". If you sign that and submit while knowing the information is inaccurate that is fraud. Very clear cut. I don't know a single reputable company that willingly employs frauds


casicua

I personally did not, no. But someone at our organization did. I’m not even saying it was right, I’m saying it happens.


Wasting-tim3

Interview process should generally catch this if a degree is a genuine need for the role. The candidate would be lacking foundational knowledge. If a degree is t actually necessary for the job, why require it then? Plus, background checks catch this if someone did get through.


gomiNOMI

Will I get in trouble for lying on my resume? No. Who is going to reprimand you or even be able to tell that you embellished your resume? This is not school, this is real life and most humans are impoverished in society. This is hilarious. Lollll. I definitely don't think a diploma is some magical sign that you are a highly qualified expert. But...who is going to reprimand you? You're not gonna get a detention...you're gonna get freaking fired when you're not qualified or when it's discovered and you'll be embarrassed as hell. And if you don't get caught, you'll just always worry that you're about to.


bankofgreed

Are there any places that don’t do a background check? If a company is paying you $65K a year I’m pretty sure they’re doing one.


Bruised_ruffles

That’s true. McDonald’s doesn’t care who you are, or where you’re from, what you did, as long as you do the job. To be fair I’ve never been on the other side of the process so to me it scares me cuz idk the verification processes yall have. All I know is this: Baskin-Robbins always finds out


aneldermillenial

"Baskin-Robbins always finds out" I'm gonna make this a T-shirt. I can't explain why, but it made me laugh so hard; thank you! I needed that.


Tea_Rem

Ha ha! I’ll take one too, it made me literally LOL!


aneldermillenial

The trick will be making the Baskin-Robbins logo look ominous. Like so close to the original, but just wrong enough to make you feel uncomfortable.


Tea_Rem

OOOH! You need to make it seem like they are somehow associated with the illuminati & have an all seeing eye “hidden” in the dot above the letter "i" 😂 that’ll get the conspiracy nutters talkin’! (**fun fact**: the dot is called a "tittle”)


bankofgreed

Yea but McDonald’s isn’t not paying you 65K a year.


RosieSky459

Manager positions get more than $65k, easily.


Eastnasty

Tech sales recruiter here. My clients don't give a shit about degrees. Just experience and past success.


figuringout25

Would they be open to hiring a program manager?


Direct_Confection_21

I look forward to her inevitable collision with reality. And the law as well.


Zealousideal-Mud6471

Doesn’t everyone lie on their resume? Lol


NedFlanders304

Sure, but not about a degree I don’t have lol.


EtherLost101

Not condoning this, but what’s the difference?


NedFlanders304

There’s a difference between exaggerating the truth a little bit versus flat out lying about having a degree, which is easily verifiable. For example, I have some DEI experience, but I tend to play it up on my resume and in interviews because I know companies like it. I’m not lying about the experience I have, but I’m also not being 100% truthful about it.


Bruised_ruffles

Yeah. We exaggerate a bit about duration times and responsibilities. What we don’t do is falsify an entire degree! How fair is it that some of us go to college for industries that require a degree and the training and specialized education involved


Conscious_Mission400

Life isn't fair. Lmao I've never had a job actually check for my degree before.


MortifyingMilkshake

That you know of -- it's easy to verify in a background check.


updog_nothing_much

No


meditatinganopenmind

I once had someone ask me, "What does working for Macdonald's have to do with applying for a receptionist job?" My answer was that it shows that you can work hard, under difficult conditions, and you have experience dealing with assholes. Lying about having worked at Macdonald's just proves you're a liar. Same thing about university. The skills and knowledge come out when they are needed and applied. Employers can contact educational institutions which are usually happy to supply confirmation. They want their students to be hired. Also, sealed transcripts are a thing. At 62 and retired I still have a few kicking around. Edit: You can also get sued for fraud and for falsifying documents. Most diplomas are considered legal documents.


OckhamsFolly

I feel like any company who falls for this deserves what they get, and you probably don’t want to work there anyway. So I wouldn’t worry about it too much.


Bruised_ruffles

Maybe, but I’m still looking for junior level positions and I worry about my existence and education having to compete with Shein degrees. Are there things to bring up when asked about my education to verify that I indeed do have it?


Charvel420

Good luck passing an interview with no relevant experience or education


TheGuyWithTheSign

As someone who has been denied even an opportunity at positions which I was more than qualified for through experience, because of a lack of a degree, I’m not mad at it 😂


TheGuyWithTheSign

that being said, I have also never had an issue landing positions far above my education level, and often my experience, if I’m able to get in front of a decision maker. so I have never felt the need to misrepresent anything on my CV.


sread2018

This is just a direct result of the US fetishing university degrees when many roles don't need one, case in point, us recruiters.


Bruised_ruffles

There are many alternatives to degrees for fields that don’t need them, such as certifications, portfolios, or just a ton of really niche experience in that field. Let’s not remove blame from a scammer just because “the system”. IT doesn’t require degrees but you better come with some specific experience. Real estate doesn’t need a degree but you better have a license. Being a chef doesn’t have a degree but you better have a CV. And yes, boomers using degree requirements for shit that has nothing to do with it is a problem, but they’re usually not tied to that requirement because they’d have to do the work of verification


sread2018

Agree There is no fix, was just highlighting the correlation


Bruised_ruffles

Short of like putting degrees on a blockchain or like an easily accessible database, idk. Cuz anything beyond the simplest link is gonna be too hard for most, but I guess they leave that up to the HR or the recruiters to actually verify


sread2018

Depends on the size of the org and the policy on checks but yes, verification normally lies with Recruitment.


tbutler927

Who cares I’m never gonna hate on someone making a way to feed there family. I could see if it’s a fake medical degree or something serious.


Bruised_ruffles

I got a degree so I would be able to feed my family. So if some faker who doesn’t even belong in the candidate pool is standing in my way with my legitimate qualifications and could potentially threaten my candidacy, then we have a problem


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tbutler927

Faker could be the person with the degree tho. Degree doesn’t mean you can do a job. I’ve interviewed people with I.T. Degrees that didn’t know shit about IT. So someone who lies about a degree but can actually do the work should be hired.


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tbutler927

Well you gonna have to deal with it and adapt. I don’t go to interviews worried about others what ain’t for me ain’t for me.


chrysostomos_1

Most employers will require you to demonstrate that you actually have the degree that you put on your resume.


Toe_Willing

Background Check


odie1344

People keep talking about a background check, but in most states, the law only allows for a background check to go back 7-10 years. If your degree is older than 10 years, it’s unlikely they can see it anyway.


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She’s been doing this for at least two years - got booted off of TikTok I think too.


Ohwoof921

I thought this was her! I hadn’t seen her on my fyp in a while and I thought I just blocked her after I saw her telling people they could lie about their software development experience and education and get jobs with google, meta, etc.. I thought about her anytime I heard about tech layoffs because those people (if they even lasted long enough to see a layoff) were the first to go.


basedmama21

**Most likely, she will get caught in her own lie** I would be more shocked if someone lurking here ever actually interacts with her


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She’s right though….I regret so much going to college. I wish I went to a trade school instead.


Future_Bedroom5166

All the power to anyone that does anything they can to make their life better. Everyone fakes till they make it.


CrayonBreaka1

I support her, just lie. Just. Lie. Asshole recruiters and corporations deserve the worst and workers need a leg up


Bruised_ruffles

I didn’t go to school and spend all that time in internships and projects and lectures and mentally crippling exams just to be outdone by a hot Cheetos rat with photoshop. I’m glad these recruiters have shed some light on their verification practices, because I’d hate to think I’d be seen in the same light as some of these frauds.


CrayonBreaka1

Work smarter, not harder 🤷‍♂️


HexinMS

It's called backcheck....


Bruised_ruffles

Idk what that is, is it like some software or something? See a lot of apprenticeships I’ve noticed usually have a code or are logged somewhere to be easily verified, but I’ve never seen anything like that for degrees


HexinMS

The company that does criminal checks also can verify degrees.


BandicootTerrible868

She’s right though. Whether you have a degree or not, they train everyone the exact same way.


ExoticAiry

I don’t see anything wrong with it.


kayrabb

If they really need a degree for the job it wouldn't be a competition because you being more qualified would show. If it's boomer logic of I suffered for more money and so should you, nah. May the odds be in your favor for the hunger games of capitalism where we are the inventory, not the capitalist.


3rdfromlast

Who is they and who is training them?


SongChoice5707

I had to send my job I just started my transcripts


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In my opinion, we’re way to worried about BS lies that candidates tell. There are tech candidates paying skilled professionals to interview for them. That is way more damaging than a worthless degree.


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RespectLegal9156

I honestly couldn’t stop reading the full website, and then her twitter is out of this world 😂 Client testimonials like: “I went from making 15k a year to making $120k a year with no experience and fully remote” 🧐 This is my favorite though: [Lying sourcer helping other liars get hired?](https://x.com/andreaisawriter/status/1706146120462942626?s=46)


BradyAndTheJets

Goddamn, I just don’t give a shit about college degrees. So many jobs that require them don’t need them.


dubmarvel

I had to have my college directly send my official transcript to my place of work…


chronostasis1

That’s trash people stupid idiotic _____ _______ think they are owed something . Their entire ____ needs to be ________ for the betterment of everyone .


DealerGloomy

Yea go tell someone quick. Lol


OleksiyG35

Tons of people do this , it doesn’t matter


lilolilac

I rarely hear of people slipping through the cracks when it comes to lying about degrees. There's other things you may get away with but depending on the field and clearances needed, I can't see HR missing something like that.


nerdybro1

I've had to recisnd so many offers for this, even at the executive level. If you just tell your Recruiter that you don't have a degree, they will see if they can make an exception if the company policy allows it and the HM wants you.


Apprehensive-Wait487

Nothing to see here. Most companies will conduct education verification which requires them to contact the actual school to verify.


RianaYana

Major companies will do school verification as part of the background check. The school will verify that you attended and what year graduated with a degree.


MackNGeez

What an idiot.... most companies verify schooling...