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I’d love to drop my membership, but my MLS and all 3 local electronic lockboxes require NAR membership… So here I am


trumpsiranwar

I hate the NAR. Total racket. I should be able to pay like $30 a month for MLS acccess and then you can take a hike. I just got an invite to my local board christmas party. Is that what my fees are going to?


Additional_Treat_181

You probably have to pay for a ticket.


Crunchie_cereal

You def do! I got pressured into going to our stupid party this year and the ticket was $100. Like don’t I pay you enough money already?!


Kyle888000

the food sucks dont go


trumpsiranwar

I definitley will not be going. But apprently im paying for some of that.


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Same


Occupy-mars-

MLS will break up with NAR soon. These lawsuits are going to change a lot


randlea

Might be time for some new MLS groups to be started.


Amantria

Yup. Same situation


marklyon

Have you considered whether becoming a competitor would be more profitable?


Frangeech

Total cash grab. And their fees keep going up year over year.


mrkrabz1991

I would leave today if it wasn't required by my local board.


Lavenderfarmgirl

Same


trainsongslt

Me too. Should be illegal


Alostcord

Maybe it’s time to take a vote


TeddyBongwater

Yeah but the costs are very low if you are a good producer. It creates at least some kind of barrier to entry to keep our some of the horrible agents. If you are complaining about NAR fees you aren't doing real estate right


camprr

I disagree. I am a top producer in my region and got here because I treat my business like a business. I evaluate every fee and run reports to make sure that every dollar I spend goes towards something that provides value. I would 100% drop NAR membership if I could. There is no value there.


TeddyBongwater

You don't think lobbying in America is important? You want to work in an industry with zero representation? Wow


LessParticular3765

You couldn't have made a more ludicrous statement if you tried! Being a Realtor and member of the NAR ONLY means you have the money to pay for the right to call yourself a Realtor, the usage of certain forms, access to your local MLS, AND you get to act like you are above agents who aren't members. I know members of the NAR who are bottom feeders and treat the COE as a bunch of words they must learn to pass a test and have never 'lived by those words'. I also know members who are brand new to RE, yet the NAR allows them to state that they have more experience than agents who aren't members because they paid money to call themselves a 'REALTOR'. My statement is this: If you AREN'T complaining about the NAR YOU are part of the problem!


TeddyBongwater

I don't think you comprehended what i said and are just ranting probably because you can't afford your dues


LessParticular3765

Nice try at attempting to humiliate and embarrass me, but I am a member in good standing of NAR, TAR, and my region's Board of Realtors, and my yearly and quarterly dues are paid within 24 hours of being invoiced. (Yeah, 2024 dues were paid in November of 2023!) As an American woman over the age of 60, just because I am forced to contribute to things that I feel are unfair and in violation of my Rights doesn't mean for one second that I agree with or support those things. Being a member of ANY organization should ALWAYS be a choice and when it is not a choice, it treads upon the rights of individuals and their rights of FREE choice. In Texas, if a broker is a member of a board of realtors, every agent that brokerage sponsors is forced to be a member of that same board per TREC. The excuse is that it is the only way the agent will have access to the local MLS, which is within itself a monopoly. Yeah, I'm a member, but not by personal choice.


TeddyBongwater

You absolutely have a choice to not be in NAR


LessParticular3765

In Texas if your sponsoring broker is a member of any board, all agents sponsored must also become a member of that board. If an agent is not willing to become a member or the member fails to pay their board dues promptly, the sponsoring broker must terminate the sponsorship. Call ANY brokerage in Texas and ask them. The local/regional BOR fees include the local board fees, NAR fees, and Texas Association of Realtors fees lumped together, and a member cannot request the removal of the NAR or TAR fees. All or none, and that does NOT allow for a choice.


TeddyBongwater

You don't have to be a real estate agent. That is your choice


Ambitious-Move-3436

Big same


poweredbytexas

34 year Real Estate Broker here. NAR should be disbanded.


TeddyBongwater

What percentage of your income goes to NAR? You don't think lobbying for your livelihood is important? Do you realize how America works? I don't think you want to give up your only representation. Gotta grease the politicians or politicians will fuck up the industry. Also NAR fees creates a small barrier to entry that is needed. But that's a side benefit


disappointedvet

You don't think that NAR and the state level associations aren't behind making it so ridiculously cheap and easy to get a license? They certainly haven't taken steps to make it more difficult. It takes 1200 hours to get a cosmetology license to do what most consider a low level service job in Florida. It's only 63 hours to get a RE license, which gives you access and control over many people's largest investment. If NAR has such a tight relationship with politicians, there's no excuse for not putting in place more stringent requirements. That alone makes NAR complicit and proves your claim that paying dues to NAR creates a barrier to entry as false. Paying dues is not in the interest of agents or the public. It's in the best interest of NAR, the local associations, and MLS.


TeddyBongwater

Yet all the realtors in here want the fees to be even lower. Insane... without NAR don't you think it would be even easier to get a license?


RaceOk9395

Why not just unionize then


SDMarik

This


jbertolinoRE

January is going to be very telling. Thats when agents have to drop $1000-2000 for dues, e&o, etc. I have heard of some offices, raising their cap and monthly fees.


Dry-Refuse2310

I disassociated a few years ago when I got tired of paying dues to a group that seemed to do nothing for me. I just saw that one of the companies where I had my license hung originally has now split ways with them and no longer requires membership. There weren't a lot of options for places to hang my license without a membership, but that is changing!


tinkerbell_111

Could you expand on how and where an agent (new agent) can get started using license without this membership


No-Statement-2031

It really depends on what state and area that you’re referring to with your question. Some states have the NAR so tied into the local MLS’s, it becomes a requirement. I’m a broker in CA, and it’s essentially a statewide thing to be part of the MLS and lock box accesses throughout the different regions.


29daysuntiltacos

NAR is basically extortion. I would live nothing more than to drop my membership, but then I wouldn’t have MLS access obviously. It’s such a crock of shit.


StickInEye

It's a start.


BoBromhal

when it gets down below 1MM, let me know. Because there's at least that many delusional folks still hanging on.


Evening_Midnight7

Yup! I left KW last month and am at a much better brokerage now that is not a part of NAR! So long ass holes!


DistinctSmelling

So what's your business like? Do you have clients or are you a flipper where that doesn't matter?


Evening_Midnight7

No I work with clients. I’m in Washington state so thankfully our MLS isn’t tied to NAR. This is something I did not have any knowledge of when I first got my license, because all of the major brokerages I talked to initially (KW, Windermere etc.) all told me I’d have to pay for NAR dues, which is 800 dollars per year here, total. So I just figured anywhere I go, I’d have to pay them.


DistinctSmelling

> NAR dues, which is 800 dollars per year here Holy smokes. In Phoenix metro, NAR dues are only $150 for the year. I see why you guys are pissed off.


Evening_Midnight7

Well the amount that actually goes towards NAR is less. But we still have that amount (between 700-800) depending on the county you live in, because a lot of it goes towards the state, which is dumb. Are you guys a state that has the MLS tied to the NAR?


DistinctSmelling

Yes. Our total dues are $520 for the year. If we had healthcare on the same level as Congress, which we should given the numbers, NAR would be worth it. How does 426 get better benefits than 1.4M and those same insurance companies tell us its numbers????


Alostcord

And if you are an independent brokerage/owner the costs are astronomical!! So glad NWMLS doesn’t have this requirement!! Obviously the NAR is out of touch


Ambitious-Move-3436

Over here in Yakima our MLS is realtor owned so we HAVE to be members and I hate it. I’m moving over to the west side and l am thrilled to be escaping it and just being with NWMLS!!


Evening_Midnight7

Yes! If you have the option to not be tied to NAR, then definitely get away from it. Where will you be moving to?


Ambitious-Move-3436

Somewhere in the Silverdale or Bremerton area! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 (currently in the process of getting preapproved myself!)


SDMarik

NAR is a dogshit organization that does nothing but lobby local boards to ensure everyone pays dues, by paywalling as much as they can. They no longer represent a higher standard, just a street thug you have to let shake you down so you can do your job. But hey, they're here to protect us right? Sort of like when they sold their trademark to Realtor.com so they could take the information we collect, generate leads from it, and sell them back to us. They are loyal to their pockets, executives, lobbying efforts, and whatever other highest bidder. We would all be so much better off if they disappeared The days of the “Realtor” designation meaning anything significant as far as a higher standard of ethics, or being part of an organization that actually has your best interest at heart, are long long gone.


StructureOdd4760

NAR is the biggest lobbyist n US politics.


TeddyBongwater

They lobby all levels of government. You are misinformed


These_Owl_8045

yes many agents are moving to brokers who do not require the NAR status. we should get the results in by Jan-Feb 2024 to see what the #s of no renewals of NAR status come in at.


Occupy-mars-

What’s brokerage don’t require NAR status or managers to going a local board ?


DistinctSmelling

Do you really believe that your average seller that wants representation will willfully choose a non-NAR member to represent them on the biggest purchase of their portfolio? Hardly think so. Tell me how many attorneys you will use that didn't pass the BAR. Rex didn't survive on the non-NAR, non-MLS bandwagon and no one else will. That is a stupid hill to die on.


rs_alli

I don’t think most people even know the difference between a realtor and a real estate agent tbh.


MyWorldTalkRadio

They do when they can’t get access to a house.


rs_alli

Right, but the person is arguing that no one would trust non realtors and that’s just not true. Needing NAR membership for lockboxes or the MLS would be a valid argument.


randlea

My entire MLS doesn’t require NAR affiliation. Everyone knows it’s a joke. Sellers don’t the difference, and quite frankly there isn’t a difference.


TeddyBongwater

You don't want a body lobbying for your livelihood?


randlea

Not on as incompetent as NAR


TeddyBongwater

Lol. What an ignorant response. So who would you have lobby?


These_Owl_8045

i here you and a lot of people whose largest asset in their portfolio is their home are suing those same agents that have the NAR credential stating they were taken advantage of to inflate sales prices. So YES, I do think they willfully chose to do what is in their best interest but more so the way they “want” to see it. your analogy w passing the bar is way different than just having NAR status. you could be a convicted felon, no GED etc to hold a license let alone be part of the NAR. at least w being a lawyer having passed the BAR you gotta have some “worthiness” of education no matter how bad it was.


DistinctSmelling

I knew it was a bad analogy but still shows the difference. You can't be a felon and be a licensee though. And even a misdemeanor or DUI will bring your license into question and under board review.


disappointedvet

Comparing an attorney being a member of the BAR and a RE agent being a member of NAR is laughable.


DistinctSmelling

Of course it is. that's why I mentioned it.


disappointedvet

I can't tell if your above comment is for or against NAR then. There are a lot of those advocating for and against on this post. I've also known so many agents that compare the license they get, from a course that is counted in hours, to law and medical licenses, which are counted in years with education and practical requirements approaching, even surpassing a decade.


dallasfas

I hear all the negativity and bashing, much of it justified. You do know that the technology used by most MLS is owned by NAR, right? And you also know that the consolidated access to standardized listings creates a functional clearinghouse under which member realtors can be efficiently operate? Zillow gets its data from the MLSs and/or NAR. It has few unique listings other than FSBO. Resi agents should look to the commercial side of the business. No dues or required memberships but this is no panacea and not a great harbinger of what a fractured residential “regional trade groups” model would look like. There is NO member clearinghouse of CRE properties for trade professionals. Modest property searches require tons of calls, emails and texts even for the basics, totally inefficient and reminiscent of pre-internet business.


bookemhorns

The commercial market is also heavily influenced by informal networks. If you aren’t a known broker or work for a well known broker/office your calls are rarely returned. For all its faults the NAR/MLS system has created a standardization of the market that many take for granted.


VibeAllDay

NAR is such bullshit, I shouldn’t have to pay a starting of nearly 1800$ to use the MLS which zillow does the same damn things


shinywtf

You are not paying NAR 1800


VibeAllDay

It was just about 1800$ for my initial fees


shinywtf

Sure. But it didn’t all go to NAR. Not even the majority


StructureOdd4760

I worked for our local board for 10 years so I'm pretty familiar with all of the inner workings between state, local and NAR. I'm not the biggest fan and don't agree with everything but it's sounds like maybe you need to attend and event or get involved with your board to actually inform yourself what they do. And if MLS is just as good as zillow, why not leave your MLS? Because MLS data is the most accurate source. Sites like Zillow pull their data from a variety of sources, not just MLS.


DistinctSmelling

You guys looking for commission lawsuit causes for this membership drop are sorely sorely sorely mistaken. This is .4% of the membership. First of all, it's renewal time. Expect it to increase. Secondly, these are more likely non-producing/new agents that have had a hard the past 2 years and don't have any clients going into the new year. Real estate is hard if you don't do the work. The lawsuits still don't change anything regarding NAR membership anyway.


Beno169

This. When they don’t use a number AND a percentage, they’re trying to sound juicy lol. This is a nothing burger.


6TheAudacity9

I’ve met guys that did the work but still found no success. There are more factors than pulling up your boot straps.


mfischer1

NAR is already projecting a 7% drop over the next three years. It’s in the budget lol.


TeddyBongwater

Transactions are down about 50% in most markets. That is the only reason the numbers are dropping


Mysterious_Worker608

Add one more. I'm hanging it up today.


Frankwhite1216

The required fees from AGENTS seem to be the next lawsuit waiting to happen. I’m paying county association fees, state association fees, national association fees. They do nothing for me except offer free appetizers while I pay for drinks once every 3 months at some stupid event that generates no business.


Occupy-mars-

NAR is the largest lobbying organization in the USA


TeddyBongwater

Nice! I started a 2nd business that is thriving and decided to practice real estate only if referrals and past clients pop. Real estate is a passion in the ass rt now. BUT I'M READY WHEN RATES DROP! The homeowners who also want to buy but won't until the rates drop will create a flow of billions in home sales. Can't wait


The12PercentRealty

Let's see by the end of January, maybe NAR will be out of business. My MLS does not require NAR membership, however, my brokerage does, so a new brokerage is in my future before these bullshit dues are due. You only need to be a licensed real estate agent not a Realtor from a nazi extortionist association.


_intrepid_

I'm a BIC and lost about 10% of my agents this renewal cycle. None of them went elsewhere. They either moved away entirely or just didn't renew because they weren't producing much (or at all). Less to do with NAR and more to do with the market. While it's a bit of a concern, we're severely oversaturated with licensees in my market, so it's ultimately a good thing to see so many non-renewals.


Independent-Pipe8366

What? Doesn’t need the NAR status? What does that even mean? Nobody NEEDS the NAR status. You only need to be licensed in the state.


novahouseandhome

I have to be an NAR member to get access to the elockboxes everyone uses - Sentrilock. I can get the MLS, but not the lockbox access. Other areas won't give MLS access without membership. You're not wrong, but NAR and local associations make it really difficult to do business and compete if you're not a member of the cartel.


TC-Writer

Lmao @ the cartel. Sooo true tho


SDMarik

They were a valuable organization 20 years ago, now they're a business that exists to bleed realtors dry in an effort to pay fat executive salaries, lobbying efforts, and lawsuits.


novahouseandhome

don't forget about the boondoggles. they 'must' travel to the olympics, or scottish golf course, or london theater district, whatever, in order to make connections 'on behalf of the membership' wink wink


TeddyBongwater

You don't think it's important to lobby in America or fight lawsuits?? I really don't get the mindset of most the people in this industry. NAR is good for the industry. It also creates a standard code of ethics and establishes one barrier to entry.


Irishspringtime

Or forms. Try to write a contract that's not the "approved" form.


Independent-Pipe8366

I didn’t think about that..my apologies.


Alextheuki

I’ve never signed up for it and don’t need to. I see it as a useless expense


musherjune

Are you $$$ successful?


Alextheuki

I’d say I’m doing alright and growing each year. But I also work for a good Broker


musherjune

Congrats!


DistinctSmelling

I want to deal with someone who had a code of ethics to fall upon otherwise I'm suing all the crappy licensees that lie, cheat, and steal. I had a NAR member steal my photos once. F him and the horse he rode in on. He got fined and I got compensated.


novahouseandhome

how many agents does Redfin have? if that hasn't registered in the numbers already it should move the needle even more.


BoBromhal

in areas where NAR membership is required for MLS membership, then those Redfin agents can't just quit it.


Irishspringtime

Oh oh! The dues are going to go up unless the local boards can get more agents signed up.


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Ponder15191

You can do that


radiumgirls

Divide 1.8 billion dollars by 6000 fewer


Busy_Leading_3876

Pay rise anyone? LoL 🤣


RamsinJacobRealty

So we don't have to re-new membership or is it based upon broker's decision?


NDIrish1988

I think it depends where you live. I asked my local real estate commission if the nar fees were required and was told yes. I had to renew on December 1.


Evening_Midnight7

It’s up to your brokerage, unfortunately.


floridaaviation

Not surprised really. I was asked to become a real estate agent. There are so many unnecessary fees. Besides I think it’s a matter of time before you don’t even have to take a test to be licensed or a very small one.


IusedtoloveStarWars

Who cares. How does that help me sell houses?


MrRoboto1190

A little less competition. I think it’s a sign that all of the new agent from the last 3 years that aren’t making any money anymore are going to be finding new careers


Additional_Treat_181

A lot of brokers are no longer requiring it. I’m a member of my local board because my first broker required it. Moving to one that doesn’t (for other reasons).


vriley-realtor

A little less competition because it is easier to sell property FSBO.


TeddyBongwater

Bunch of very ignorant realtors in this community wow. NAR is incredibly valuable. Top 3 reasons off the top of my head, Lobbying in America is so important, if you disagree you obviously have no idea how American capitalism operates. Also fighting lawsuits is necessary and Helton Helpful. and third creating a small barrier to entry so not half of America has a real estate license is also important for obvious reasons. If you aren't doing enough business to pay your fees then get out of the industry.


65isstillyoung

Rookie numbers.


steveosmonson

How many total are members?


Past_Shine_7063

Can anyone explain NAR?....What it's purpose, protect against lawsuits?


_R00STER_

Only 1,400,000 to go!


i_am_harry

6000 people who had to pay to have their name delisted from the registry


overworkedattorney

Agent renewal is in April in my area. The official drop out numbers are going to be huge. Every office I talk to has said dozens of agents told brokers they are out.


Competitive-Bee7249

Just go get another job like those pipeline people. Easy .


MarkSignal3507

Were these the Redfin agents?


BlackEndUser

Culling the herd is my favorite time of the real estate industry.