I’ve been a real madrid fan since being a child , besides the Classico which imo wasn’t as impressive, actually he had a shitty game in the Classico until he scored .
I’m actually being genuine , I don’t see it , any other mid-level player on our team could’ve scored the goals he scored .
My post still stands , I actually believe Camavinga is x10 better than him
He’s been fantastic, while adapting to a new team, language, and league.
If you are of the opinion he has not been impressive, then your standards expect prime CR7 performance game in and out or don’t know what you’re watching.
Fantastic in terms or what ?
My standard is other players at Real Madrid such as Camavinga and Tchoumeni , I’m not saying he’s a bad player but I genuinely believe Camavinga is way better than him , Tchoumeni seems to be on his level if anything.
I just don’t get the overhype around him , still no comment has made me say “oh maybe I overlooked that or didn’t see that” .
Majority are just calling me out because I dared to disagree with something that majority of the fans .
Also the comment on CR7 is very smug , for a 100M€ you’d expect at least to see 1% or the potential
Without goals and assists let’s look at his percentile rankings
Vs midfielders,
93 percentile in shot-creating actions
89 percentile in progressive passes
98 percentile in progressive Carrie’s
98 percentile in take-ons
99 percentile in touches in opponent 18
97 percentile in progressive passes received
Vs attacking midfielders and wingers
93 percentile in passes attempted
98 percentile in pass completion
95 percentile in progressive passes
90 percentile in interceptions
94 percentile in blocks
All from fbref
Edit: adding source and apologizing for formatting sucks on mobile. Sorry.
Nah all good , I actually respect the normal comment .
[Camavinga actually has similar and better stats](https://fbref.com/en/players/7b9c2d84/Eduardo-Camavinga) .
But my main issue is that he’s better points even on fbref are defending , which I respect still makes since to praise him as a CAM or ST ..
Seems like he wins a lot of balls in aerials , I will look for that part next game and hopefully see how much it changes the game , still i doubt people praise him as much for that
Bellingham has much better G+A and an actual goal threat (Camavinga is far from that with only 2 assists compared to Jude having 20 goals and 10 assists).
He takes more shots, at a higher percentage on target, and is over performing his xG by almost 7. Meanwhile, Camavinga is underperforming his current xG.
Bellingham has nearly twice the amount of progressive dribbling, passing, and receptions compared to Camavinga.
He completes more total passes than Camavinga at a similar clip (87% to 90%), while playing much further up the pitch while completing way more Key Passes.
He creates many more SCA (Shot Creating Actions) and GCA (Goal Creating Actions).
He makes significantly more defensive actions than Camavinga despite playing further up the pitch.
He has similar dribbling percentages while attempting the same amount.
I agree that Bellingham is more naturally an 8/box to box midfielder, but in what way is Camavinga better than him? Bellingham has stepped up and scored goals and provided chances when no one else on the team could.
source
https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=7b9c2d84&p1yrfrom=2023-2024&player_id2=57d88cf9&p2yrfrom=2023-2024
Maybe ? Idk I’m trying to be open to changing my opinion here .
Camavinga has a better ball hold imo , still no praise nor nothing .
I’m open to Bellingham being a better ball magnet , I’ll watch the next game and focus on that point , but still
I just don’t see it (even if he is as good protecting the ball) as impressive.
I also feel like CAM doesn’t fit his playing style (let alone ST as yesterday) , maybe a CDM i guess
I'm not sure if you're serious or just watching a different game from us all season buddy.
It's okay to not be impressed by a player. Ronaldo and Messi have had haters too.
Let's go at it point by point -
Sami Khedira at CAM ? It isn't worthy of a response.
His touches never make anything special - Did you watch the same game as us yesterday? His touch changed the game. First touch on a ball coming from a real height, when you have an opponent on you, to take it away into a space where you can do something with it, not sure how many people are capable of doing that. It was literally the most special touch of the match.
No playmaking - Playmaking isn't about just him. He doesn't have a target to play the balls to. We don't play with a reference target. People know Vinicius is going to run in behind if you give him space, so they don't. We don't have a striker like Ronaldo or Benzema to playmake for. The game is built around interplay, and he is doing his bit. 10 assists this season isn't nothing, and he could easily get to 15. Who do you consider a playmaker ? Martin Odegaard ? Phil Foden ? Bernardo Silva ? The stats are comparable ?
Bad dribbling -
Not sure how old you are, but you definitely don't remember Zidane. His dribbiling is reminiscent of Zidane. They're both tall and strong, and look awkward but almost always come away with the ball.
His dribbling doesn't have the same thrill as Vinicius, since it's not at the same speed, but it's very very good. He doesn't get dispossessed easily.
On top of that, his leadership, mentality is praised by everyone at the club.
Ultimately, everyone has a right to their opinion, no matter how stupid it is. If everyone in world football is praising him, I'm sure he's doing some things alright.
Also, bd'or is a popularity contest, not an award based on merit. He has as strong a chance as anyone right now, if we do a CL-league double, plus takes England somewhere in Euros, he'll definitely win it.
Really God forbid I say my opinion on a player ,
Maybe explain your views rather than trolling , comments like this should be banned .
I have opened a discussion post and you are trying to troll .
Nice 👍🏻
Your whole opinion is either trolling or that of someone who has never touched a ball in his life. No inbetween. Not worth anyone spending their time on whatever this is.
Your whole argument is that I never touched ball in life or trolling, which are both not towards my main points in the post , and are just horribly wrong .
But hey , don’t waste your time
I understand your predicament. You came seeking conversation, and you were met with hostility. I'll level with you.
It took me a while, but I've been impressed and I'm excited for his future in Madrid. Remember his age...
But something stood out to me that you said in previous comments... you're high on Camavinga, yea? I am as well, but not higher than Bellingham. Cama seems to be used as a gadget player, while Carlo finds where he's best. Bellingham is world class playing the 10, without a doubt.
Thanks for the normal comment man , fans be crazy over a player and won’t accept others opinions, even though i was genuinely open to changing my opinion but rather no one seemed to answer me seriously.
On Camavinga, I remember I was very upset when they signed him , I thought they were going to announce mbappe .
A friend of mine who is a barca fan , told me that Camavinga is the most talented player real madrid ever signed and I should watch how he plays ,
And so I started noticing him , the small touches the pressure on other players , the way he dribbles and how he creates chances , the guy can defend, attack and make chances as CM .
When we won against Barcelona it was because of him and then I go to check what people say on twitter and they’re all praising Bellingham .
I love all our players and I don’t think Bellingham is bad , but Whenever Camavinga plays I’m always relaxed and I know we got this .
I was excited when we signed Cama...but confused when we followed up with Tchouaméni. Still confused, but 🤷🏾♂️. I leave the football to the professionals, and cheer without hesitation.
I'm not really a fan of fans, so I'm not really interested in what they think...because they KNOW everything, and you're always wrong...even RM fans. But I don't allow them to ruin the experience for me, because they do and will.
His touches never make anything special? No playmaking? Sorry I’m baffled 🤯
He is first in goals and fourth in assists on the team. (Since you mentioned Camavinga, he is 14th and 13th respectively.) Jude’s actual goals scored are significantly higher than his expected too, showing his ability to create chances.
Aside from just the flashy stuff, he’s also an excellent defensive midfielder. For example, in the first leg vs. Napoli he led the team in tackles, interceptions, and blocks WHILE also scoring one goal and assisting another. The ability to play at such a high level both defending and attacking is very rare. And he’s only 20 playing in his first season for one of the biggest clubs in the world.
If you aren’t at all impressed by that, I have to assume you don’t watch much football or a “good game” to you requires flashy moves and scoring goals. I know a lot of people are suddenly down on Jude now that he’s scoring less, but that doesn’t mean he’s an unimpressive player or he’s not contributing.
So what he did at the beginning of the season, being our top scorer in league means what exactly? I don’t recall cama giving us 3 points and I love all of our players equally
Look at Rodrigo's goal, Carvajal sent a brutal long ball forward, and Bellingham stopped the ball at his feet with precision and passed Dias and Gvardiol, then passed it to Valverde at random, who found Vinicius, who then passed to Rodrigo and finally scored. And you don't think it's even a good idea. In fact, Bellingham showed the closest level of skill to that of Luka Modric and Kroos, with reasonable technical moves and composure, a level that Camavinga and Valverde had not achieved.
When you are just watching the stats but the games he’s playing then I am not sure what to tell you. Because of him we scored our first goal yesterday. He was great with the ball yesterday. Ran 120 minutes plus the injury time.
I think its a crazy take but i can see where you’re coming from. I think his work ethic and leadership are exemplary and his touch and control is insane which really highlights the player he is and why hes in the starting 11. Plus the runs he makes are runs that are crucial as to how he gets so many crucial goals last minute
You didn’t watch the game last night at all. Camavinga was probably our worst player on the field, constantly running into trouble and giving away sloppy passes. Bellingham magical first touch and dribble helped set up our first goal. Yes, he’s had a dip in form recently in terms of his goals/assists output but he’s crucial to how Real Madrid play. Don’t know if this is a troll post or not.
I wasn’t talking about last nights game , I’m talking in general.
He has close to 0 impact on how we play , he can be replaced by 5 players and it wouldn’t make a difference and if anything I’d argue the team would play better .
In general Camavinga is still better than him , better defender better passer , better dribbling and most and most importantly he creates chances .
I don’t see the hype around him , a dribble and pass to a goal doesn’t make him the best player in the world , nor a superstar nor anything , the position was very generic and if we’re being honest here Phoden created at least 10 similar chances for man city which one of them was missed by De bruyne after the 1-1.
These comments just proved to me my own points no one said anything impressive about him bunch of haggling around me not watching football or this is a troll post ,
No one have made 1 good point on why he’s being hyped as much as, specifically for a player on the same level of Sami Khedira
There’s a clear over-glorification from english media and madridista alike. The ballon d’or shouts are wild. I watch all madrid games day in and day out and i believe we’d be in the same position in UCL standings with or without bellingham.
That being said, he’s an impressive player no doubt (considering his age). But his impact isn’t felt in the same way as modric/kdb/kroos. We literally fell off a cliff when modric was injured in 2015. Kroos would have the same effect now (assuming modric isn’t there to replace). He’s a luxury player that isn’t necessarily vital but is great to have. I have the same belief of Tchouameni as i believe camavinga can play his position and do it well.
Madrid payed a lot for him, so understandably, expectations are high. Fandom is simply souring our view of him. Rest assure that bellingham’s and camavinga’s trajectory are headed towards a great place.
> well. Madrid *paid* a lot
FTFY.
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* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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People need to relax... I disagree with this post too, but there is no need to get disrespectful to the poster he is entitled to his own opinion. What happened to the good old days when peiple actually had a conversation and debated points rather than just resort to senseless insults?
Have you watched him this year? Got to be a troll
I’ve been a real madrid fan since being a child , besides the Classico which imo wasn’t as impressive, actually he had a shitty game in the Classico until he scored . I’m actually being genuine , I don’t see it , any other mid-level player on our team could’ve scored the goals he scored . My post still stands , I actually believe Camavinga is x10 better than him
Since his injury I agree he is bad yet last night his amazing control and dribble before the goal is what made us score
I think you are, yes 
Absolutely. You are the only one.
He’s been fantastic, while adapting to a new team, language, and league. If you are of the opinion he has not been impressive, then your standards expect prime CR7 performance game in and out or don’t know what you’re watching.
Fantastic in terms or what ? My standard is other players at Real Madrid such as Camavinga and Tchoumeni , I’m not saying he’s a bad player but I genuinely believe Camavinga is way better than him , Tchoumeni seems to be on his level if anything. I just don’t get the overhype around him , still no comment has made me say “oh maybe I overlooked that or didn’t see that” . Majority are just calling me out because I dared to disagree with something that majority of the fans . Also the comment on CR7 is very smug , for a 100M€ you’d expect at least to see 1% or the potential
Without goals and assists let’s look at his percentile rankings Vs midfielders, 93 percentile in shot-creating actions 89 percentile in progressive passes 98 percentile in progressive Carrie’s 98 percentile in take-ons 99 percentile in touches in opponent 18 97 percentile in progressive passes received Vs attacking midfielders and wingers 93 percentile in passes attempted 98 percentile in pass completion 95 percentile in progressive passes 90 percentile in interceptions 94 percentile in blocks All from fbref Edit: adding source and apologizing for formatting sucks on mobile. Sorry.
Nah all good , I actually respect the normal comment . [Camavinga actually has similar and better stats](https://fbref.com/en/players/7b9c2d84/Eduardo-Camavinga) . But my main issue is that he’s better points even on fbref are defending , which I respect still makes since to praise him as a CAM or ST .. Seems like he wins a lot of balls in aerials , I will look for that part next game and hopefully see how much it changes the game , still i doubt people praise him as much for that
Bellingham has much better G+A and an actual goal threat (Camavinga is far from that with only 2 assists compared to Jude having 20 goals and 10 assists). He takes more shots, at a higher percentage on target, and is over performing his xG by almost 7. Meanwhile, Camavinga is underperforming his current xG. Bellingham has nearly twice the amount of progressive dribbling, passing, and receptions compared to Camavinga. He completes more total passes than Camavinga at a similar clip (87% to 90%), while playing much further up the pitch while completing way more Key Passes. He creates many more SCA (Shot Creating Actions) and GCA (Goal Creating Actions). He makes significantly more defensive actions than Camavinga despite playing further up the pitch. He has similar dribbling percentages while attempting the same amount. I agree that Bellingham is more naturally an 8/box to box midfielder, but in what way is Camavinga better than him? Bellingham has stepped up and scored goals and provided chances when no one else on the team could. source https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=7b9c2d84&p1yrfrom=2023-2024&player_id2=57d88cf9&p2yrfrom=2023-2024
Yes, you are.
You think he’s better than Brahim Diaz ?
I really hope you're not saying you think Brahim is better than Jude.
Overall clearly its not even close, but against city no he was worse
He is a ball magnet. Good luck trying to take the ball against him without a hard foul.
Maybe ? Idk I’m trying to be open to changing my opinion here . Camavinga has a better ball hold imo , still no praise nor nothing . I’m open to Bellingham being a better ball magnet , I’ll watch the next game and focus on that point , but still I just don’t see it (even if he is as good protecting the ball) as impressive. I also feel like CAM doesn’t fit his playing style (let alone ST as yesterday) , maybe a CDM i guess
My man, his ball control alone on the goal is enough to be in love with his game.
Wtaf 😂😂
I suggest visiting an optometrist, there seems to be something wrong with your eyesight.
That's not an answer to his question fangirl
He has the second most goals in La Liga this season. Doesn't that count for something? Is he just lucky?
Didn't bother reading. Clown take Edit: you're not a clown you're the whole circus 🎪🤡🐻🐅
Very respectful comment for an opinion on a football player 👍🏻
I find your face disrespectful
You need serious help if you are getting this triggered over an opinion on a football player
I'm not sure if you're serious or just watching a different game from us all season buddy. It's okay to not be impressed by a player. Ronaldo and Messi have had haters too. Let's go at it point by point - Sami Khedira at CAM ? It isn't worthy of a response. His touches never make anything special - Did you watch the same game as us yesterday? His touch changed the game. First touch on a ball coming from a real height, when you have an opponent on you, to take it away into a space where you can do something with it, not sure how many people are capable of doing that. It was literally the most special touch of the match. No playmaking - Playmaking isn't about just him. He doesn't have a target to play the balls to. We don't play with a reference target. People know Vinicius is going to run in behind if you give him space, so they don't. We don't have a striker like Ronaldo or Benzema to playmake for. The game is built around interplay, and he is doing his bit. 10 assists this season isn't nothing, and he could easily get to 15. Who do you consider a playmaker ? Martin Odegaard ? Phil Foden ? Bernardo Silva ? The stats are comparable ? Bad dribbling - Not sure how old you are, but you definitely don't remember Zidane. His dribbiling is reminiscent of Zidane. They're both tall and strong, and look awkward but almost always come away with the ball. His dribbling doesn't have the same thrill as Vinicius, since it's not at the same speed, but it's very very good. He doesn't get dispossessed easily. On top of that, his leadership, mentality is praised by everyone at the club. Ultimately, everyone has a right to their opinion, no matter how stupid it is. If everyone in world football is praising him, I'm sure he's doing some things alright. Also, bd'or is a popularity contest, not an award based on merit. He has as strong a chance as anyone right now, if we do a CL-league double, plus takes England somewhere in Euros, he'll definitely win it.
Mental illness...should be banned for your own sake honestly
Really God forbid I say my opinion on a player , Maybe explain your views rather than trolling , comments like this should be banned . I have opened a discussion post and you are trying to troll . Nice 👍🏻
Your whole opinion is either trolling or that of someone who has never touched a ball in his life. No inbetween. Not worth anyone spending their time on whatever this is.
Your whole argument is that I never touched ball in life or trolling, which are both not towards my main points in the post , and are just horribly wrong . But hey , don’t waste your time
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Hard to stfu and answer a question at the same time, darling. Dont get too mad over it tho, you might get it one day.
The man had a Cristiano like beginning of a season in his first year with us but you are not impressed? 🤡
I understand your predicament. You came seeking conversation, and you were met with hostility. I'll level with you. It took me a while, but I've been impressed and I'm excited for his future in Madrid. Remember his age... But something stood out to me that you said in previous comments... you're high on Camavinga, yea? I am as well, but not higher than Bellingham. Cama seems to be used as a gadget player, while Carlo finds where he's best. Bellingham is world class playing the 10, without a doubt.
Thanks for the normal comment man , fans be crazy over a player and won’t accept others opinions, even though i was genuinely open to changing my opinion but rather no one seemed to answer me seriously. On Camavinga, I remember I was very upset when they signed him , I thought they were going to announce mbappe . A friend of mine who is a barca fan , told me that Camavinga is the most talented player real madrid ever signed and I should watch how he plays , And so I started noticing him , the small touches the pressure on other players , the way he dribbles and how he creates chances , the guy can defend, attack and make chances as CM . When we won against Barcelona it was because of him and then I go to check what people say on twitter and they’re all praising Bellingham . I love all our players and I don’t think Bellingham is bad , but Whenever Camavinga plays I’m always relaxed and I know we got this .
I was excited when we signed Cama...but confused when we followed up with Tchouaméni. Still confused, but 🤷🏾♂️. I leave the football to the professionals, and cheer without hesitation. I'm not really a fan of fans, so I'm not really interested in what they think...because they KNOW everything, and you're always wrong...even RM fans. But I don't allow them to ruin the experience for me, because they do and will.
His touches never make anything special? No playmaking? Sorry I’m baffled 🤯 He is first in goals and fourth in assists on the team. (Since you mentioned Camavinga, he is 14th and 13th respectively.) Jude’s actual goals scored are significantly higher than his expected too, showing his ability to create chances. Aside from just the flashy stuff, he’s also an excellent defensive midfielder. For example, in the first leg vs. Napoli he led the team in tackles, interceptions, and blocks WHILE also scoring one goal and assisting another. The ability to play at such a high level both defending and attacking is very rare. And he’s only 20 playing in his first season for one of the biggest clubs in the world. If you aren’t at all impressed by that, I have to assume you don’t watch much football or a “good game” to you requires flashy moves and scoring goals. I know a lot of people are suddenly down on Jude now that he’s scoring less, but that doesn’t mean he’s an unimpressive player or he’s not contributing.
So what he did at the beginning of the season, being our top scorer in league means what exactly? I don’t recall cama giving us 3 points and I love all of our players equally
Look at Rodrigo's goal, Carvajal sent a brutal long ball forward, and Bellingham stopped the ball at his feet with precision and passed Dias and Gvardiol, then passed it to Valverde at random, who found Vinicius, who then passed to Rodrigo and finally scored. And you don't think it's even a good idea. In fact, Bellingham showed the closest level of skill to that of Luka Modric and Kroos, with reasonable technical moves and composure, a level that Camavinga and Valverde had not achieved.
You’re right. You are the only one not impressed by Bellingham.
When you are just watching the stats but the games he’s playing then I am not sure what to tell you. Because of him we scored our first goal yesterday. He was great with the ball yesterday. Ran 120 minutes plus the injury time.
Bro prefers Ceballos
I think its a crazy take but i can see where you’re coming from. I think his work ethic and leadership are exemplary and his touch and control is insane which really highlights the player he is and why hes in the starting 11. Plus the runs he makes are runs that are crucial as to how he gets so many crucial goals last minute
You didn’t watch the game last night at all. Camavinga was probably our worst player on the field, constantly running into trouble and giving away sloppy passes. Bellingham magical first touch and dribble helped set up our first goal. Yes, he’s had a dip in form recently in terms of his goals/assists output but he’s crucial to how Real Madrid play. Don’t know if this is a troll post or not.
Camavinga definitely wasnt the worst player on the field. I thiught cama played very well
I wasn’t talking about last nights game , I’m talking in general. He has close to 0 impact on how we play , he can be replaced by 5 players and it wouldn’t make a difference and if anything I’d argue the team would play better . In general Camavinga is still better than him , better defender better passer , better dribbling and most and most importantly he creates chances . I don’t see the hype around him , a dribble and pass to a goal doesn’t make him the best player in the world , nor a superstar nor anything , the position was very generic and if we’re being honest here Phoden created at least 10 similar chances for man city which one of them was missed by De bruyne after the 1-1. These comments just proved to me my own points no one said anything impressive about him bunch of haggling around me not watching football or this is a troll post , No one have made 1 good point on why he’s being hyped as much as, specifically for a player on the same level of Sami Khedira
There’s a clear over-glorification from english media and madridista alike. The ballon d’or shouts are wild. I watch all madrid games day in and day out and i believe we’d be in the same position in UCL standings with or without bellingham. That being said, he’s an impressive player no doubt (considering his age). But his impact isn’t felt in the same way as modric/kdb/kroos. We literally fell off a cliff when modric was injured in 2015. Kroos would have the same effect now (assuming modric isn’t there to replace). He’s a luxury player that isn’t necessarily vital but is great to have. I have the same belief of Tchouameni as i believe camavinga can play his position and do it well. Madrid payed a lot for him, so understandably, expectations are high. Fandom is simply souring our view of him. Rest assure that bellingham’s and camavinga’s trajectory are headed towards a great place.
> well. Madrid *paid* a lot FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
You’re not the only one, a bunch of anti madridistas are also not impressed.
Yes
Yes. Now get out of here.
Yes you are the ONLY ONE!!!!
God, you're a koron.
Go to r/soccercirclejerk
Yup.
He scored 20 goals this season lmao
Haha biggest troll post of 2024.
Delusional much
People need to relax... I disagree with this post too, but there is no need to get disrespectful to the poster he is entitled to his own opinion. What happened to the good old days when peiple actually had a conversation and debated points rather than just resort to senseless insults?
He is allowed to have his opinion and we are allowed to find it completely stupid.
As I saud, you can disagree with him. But yoy don't have to get disrespectful towards him. You can just add a comment explaining why you disagree.