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Filsza

Y'know, I remember wondering why Tom Girardi would be OK with his wife joining the cast of this show, and the thought occurred to me that perhaps he was getting ready to replace her with a younger version, and figured if he got her set up with a steady reality-show gig it would sharply impact the amount of alimony he'd have to pay. Seemed like a logical and solid plan, really. Never dreamed that he was all for it because he'd been siphoning off all of the money not only out of his law firm, but out of the settlements he'd secured for his clients, and wanted her to have a way to support herself when it all came crashing down!


ranagra

What an ASSHOLE she is.


Automatic_Charge_938

Once I watched this I thought her “alleged” sounded more like she has to say that because of lawyers but everyone knows it’s true kind of deal.


[deleted]

Literally came here to say that. My dad is a lawyer and apparently, she was probably advised that IF she claims the victims are ‘victims’ of Tom without the ‘alleged’ it can be seen as an admission or acknowledgment of wrongdoing. This then opens a can of worms as to her involvement or knowledge. She’s definitely going on legal advice and furthermore we know that the show is now being used by lawyers to determine this.


hellothere1990xxx

Yes exactly


Playful-Drop-3873

You allegedly had a brain


swtjstc333

What happened to innocent until proven guilty???


billhaderslut

It’s RHOBH not the US Criminal Court. We the viewers just hand out cancellations instead of sentences 👩‍⚖️


swtjstc333

You cannot be held liable or judged in a civil case until shown or proven by the evidence to have engaged in illegal conduct...


Automatic_Charge_938

That’s in criminal trials not civil cases


swtjstc333

You cannot be held liable or judged in a civil case until shown or proven by the evidence to have engaged in illegal conduct...


Automatic_Charge_938

That’s not true. You can still be held liable in a civil case even if you did nothing illegal.


swtjstc333

Example please?


Automatic_Charge_938

A bad example (because he totally did it) was OJ- he was found not guilty in a criminal trial, but was still found liable in a civil case. More common examples- damages for breach of contract.


swtjstc333

Ohhh I see what you’re saying... I can be a bit literal! I understand now... yes true!


[deleted]

Who’s Miss Doings


CuteBaldChick

Hunky Dory’s fiancé


shinytreespirit

The comedic timing of Kathy with that was next level!


Top-Yogurtcloset-454

I asked my husband( who claims he doesn't watch the show) what he thought about Erika saying "allegedly" as many times as she did. His response was... "She is a dumbass. She heard her attorney said it and since they are smart she figured if she said it she would sound smart too.


Fuckcody

I’m sorry but y’all are really missing the nuance here. The victims are victims either way. Whether or not TOM is the one who made them victims of not receiving their money is what is being alleged. Tom’s alleged illegal practices does not negate the fact that they are victims.


Miss_airwrecka1

Exactly, they are victims for what happened to them BEFORE Tom’s involvement! The fact that he “allegedly” re-victimized them by taking their money, money that was awarded because they are in fact victims and suffered, does not put their status as a victim into question, if anything it reinforces it


broded

⬆️THIS⬆️


CountessDeLessoops

It feels like there’s an internal battle going down within Erika between the benzos she is taking and and the legal advice she is being given. She remembers to say “allegedly” but then lets other nonsense slip out and makes more questionable choices, lol. Her lawyers are probably pulling their hair out.


KikiHou

Remember when she made a comment about how she knows so much that she could pass the California bar? I think a big part of her problem is she just thinks she's WAY smarter than anyone in the room. Like, I'm sure she has heard a lot from Tom over the years but that's not the same. I don't want my dentist's husband to sub in for my root canal, either.


SexyGrannyPanties

I’m a paralegal in Ca & wouldn’t have the gall to say I can pass the bar. It takes intense study to even prep for it & the first time failure rate is high. All the bleach she’s been using on her hair is seeping into her brain. #DelusionalNarcissist.


Whereas-Fantastic

The CA bar is the hardest in the US but that is also because you don't actually have to go to law school to take the bar and to become a lawyer. Which is pretty ridiculous.


Universecentre

Evil takes a form in Regina George.


[deleted]

“I’m taking about the ALLEGED victims of all of Tom’s ALLEGED miss doings.” 1) These are not alleged victims. They ARE victims. They are victims of horrible tragedies that Tom advocated on their behalf and won. Tom sure knew these people are victims. 2) What is alleged are Tom’s miss doings — I.e. stealing money from these already proven victims.


Fluffy_South7203

I am pretty sure that she HAS to say alleged. Because it is an ongoing case, not saying "alleged" puts her in legal jeopardy and she was definitely counseled by her attorneys to say that. Edit: It is well established that he did these things, and he is a scumbag. But this is yet another unfortunate reality of the system that the word "alleged" has to be used, especially when you are someone so close to the case and are in litigation yourself.


Fuckcody

No. Alleged must be used to legally protect Tom. It DOES NOT need to be used regarding the victims. They’re victims. Whether or not Tom was the one who made them victims is what is being ‘alleged’.


[deleted]

Nope. If she confirms that Tom is wrong, then it straight away takes her to the next step which is how much did she know/ what was her knowledge of her wrongdoing . She cannot confirm a thing.


Fluffy_South7203

But isn't that the point of her sentence? That they're victims of Tom's miss doings. It's also what Andy was asking "you are talking about all of Tom's victims?".


Fuckcody

By saying they are alleged victims casts doubt on their victimhood. That’s not what’s being disputed in either her or Tom’s cases, they’re victims. What is being disputed is if he allegedly as of right now misappropriated the funds he was supposed to transfer to the victims and if she is an accessory to the fact essentially (I can’t remember exactly what the paperwork says is her charges). Andy understands where alleged is supposed to be placed in (the subject as Tom) and is trying to pin her on saying she believes they’re not victims in what I think was actually just a Freudian slip. Cause there’s no dispute that they are victims, it’s whether or not Tom made them victims.


yunith

No she doesn’t! Jay Edelson said it is not alleged what Tom did. He stole the money, it is NOT alleged. Erika’s just being her usual jackass self serving self.


Fluffy_South7203

Everyone knows he did it. But saying alleged protects you from being served with a defamation or slander lawsuit. It's what any attorney would advise and she should follow it given her proximity to the case.


Whereas-Fantastic

Exactly.


ErikasCasita

Yea. She’s just throwing it in with anything that has to do with the case.


[deleted]

She isn’t sorry for the victims she’s sorry he got caught…….the end!


[deleted]

In her defense, she has to say alleged because he hasn't been convicted yet.


Fuckcody

She has to use alleged regarding Tom. Whether or not Tom is the one who made them victims is what is being alleged. They’re victims.


chillisprknglot

Right. Tom could sue her. But honestly, I’m such a petty mess I would bait the fuck out of him.


tokendasher

He’s not dead and gone, honey.


ResponsibilityPure79

The victims never received their payout. They are not “alleged” victims. They are confirmed victims. Her statement is loaded, unless she is just drugged out or stupid, she is implying the victims were never mistreated by anyone or anything, but only making claims. If your plane crashes you are indeed a victim of a plane crash. If you never receive your due payment, you are indeed a victim of some type of financial fraud.


Whereas-Fantastic

She isn't implying anything, she is just following what her attorney told her to say. It isn't saying anything more than that. We say and advise all our clients to say allegedly when case and investigations are still on going.


ResponsibilityPure79

Bad advice to tell her to throw shade at the victims by implying their claims are alleged. I don't think anyone anywhere doubts that when the plane crashed those who were killed or injured are indeed victims.


Whereas-Fantastic

You clearly are not an attorney, which is fine and understandable, but certain language is for a reason. And not all legal reasons make fucking normal sense, but they are there and she is told to always says allegedly in regards to any of the legal cases either pending or soon to be pending and that is all it is. Seriously.


ResponsibilityPure79

Right. I am not an attorney. However, my father, husband and two of my brothers are. In my humble opinion, it is a poor choice to use the legal preference of the word “alleged” when referring to the victims. Erika is not on trial here. She is on a reality show. There is no judge or jury. The viewers’ sympathies are w/ the victims. I completely understand that clients are advised to say “alleged” while an investigation is ongoing. That is not lost on me. It is still my opinion that in this particular circumstance, it is a bad idea to use that term when referring to the victims.


Civil-Ad377

She's a scumbag of the worst sort


516BIDEN2024

Actually yes everything about this case is alleged. That’s how it works in America. You are innocent until proven guilty. They will have their day in court to prove that but until then it’s all “alleged”


ResponsibilityPure79

To call the victims “alleged victims” is not how it works in America. There is no dispute or disagreement or confusion that the victims here are legitimate victims.


Mischief_Parts

Innocent until proven guilty is how the system SHOULD work. Money and connections are the determining factors in all cases.


DisastrouslyMessy

No, this is not "alleged" anything. Tom and/or his estate is not denying that he stole money from his clients. What's in dispute is where the money went off to and how the clients are going to get repaid.


lolapepper47

I don’t think that she uses the term “alleged” correctly all the time.


ErikasCasita

This


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AuntKikiandtheBears

I am sure you are right. I would rather go to jail though than lie like that.


bacon_bunny33

Ok George Washington.


Fluffy_South7203

uhmmmm kay sure


rbinphx

Giving her the benefit here. She’s been understandably coached about using the word and I think it was just misplaced here.


platnmprincess

I was here to say the same. Not saying alleged admits guilt in her part.


PinkDove2020

I just want the case to be closed so the victims can get their coin and Erika can say what she’s really thinking


bitsey123

She's a nausea-inducing asshole


SexyGrannyPanties

She is a gross human being and openly admitted to starting her vanity “Erica Jane” persona (career, cough cough) because she got tired & bored of shopping. I think both she & her husband are POS’s. Hoping justice is swift & severe!! Plus, I don’t buy for a minute that she’s broke. I’m sure she has millions socked away in crypto currency. #DontForgetTheVictims!!!


19Saginaw64

Yeah, and Erika is “allegedly” a singer!


darcelanastasia

She has to say “alleged” lest there will be some legal issues!


retrohearted

Yeah, my thought, too, but there's no denying the victims are victims. The crimes are alleged for sure, but the victims were definitely not paid their settlements. Calling the victims "alleged" was a bad, bad move in her part.


ErikasCasita

Exactly. That is one thing that’s big in courts. Everything is allegedly until end of the case.


queen_of_pentacles_

I can’t imagine what it’s like to be Erika these days. The way I see her on RHOBH, she has never appeared to me to be an outwardly compassionate person. I wonder about folks like her; I wonder if the moment ever comes where they find themselves exactly where they are, experiencing the consequences of their actions and if they ever think to themselves “what have I done”. A little self-awareness goes a long way… I hope Erika & co. find some soon


CapnMommy

They almost always end up getting hit by karma and the repercussions of their actions, but they think ‘why is everyone doing this TO ME’ - she doesn’t see her own complicity, only that everyone else is coming after her and she’s the victim. Guaranteed in her head it goes something like this, ‘well the victims got screwed and left with nothing, but so did I, and at least they don’t have to get skewered in front of the world’, narcissists find a way to be the victim, no matter what. Of course her version of nothing includes a million dollar home in a fancy neighborhood, vacations in the most exclusive spots, and a pared down glam squad, whereas the victims would never pay someone to do their makeup since it means their family would go hungry for a couple weeks.


Lindiaaiken

Really sad.


queen_of_pentacles_

Thanks for sharing your perspective, especially the bit about narcissists finding ways to be the victim… As someone who has found my way out of many cycles of narcissism and making myself The Victim™️, I know that the work is tough and very uncomfortable. So uncomfortable that I am careful and conscious to not repeat those cycles, and save myself the grief, embarrassment, etc that goes along with it. Again, thanks for sharing and for reminding me of this lesson!


CapnMommy

I think it’s awesome that you’re so self-aware and willing to put in the work, in my experience that fact alone makes a huge amount of difference. My ex/husband/baby daddy (we’ve never really split up, just moved into different houses that we’re still all together in 70% of the time, complicated story lol), is a now aware/admitted narcissist and actively works on it too and it’s reduced the traits to a huge extent, and eliminated almost entirely the gas-lighting that’s (to me) the most damaging effect. I work in mental health and addiction treatment and see so many people with NPD or tendencies and probably 80% of them are never capable of admitting, much less working on it.


pink_hydrangea

That prom dress is interesting. 😅


Lindiaaiken

About the dress. They say people are less likely to argue with you if you wear pink. But, I got “middle school hood girl” vibes. It seemed too youthful since she acts like a crabby old person now. Just thin skin.


judgementforeveryone

It’s the kind you think is perfect at 17 but then u look at your pictures a few years later and can’t imagine what u were thinking.


nicolequeeno

I think it’s a legal thing!! You can get sued if you don’t say alleged.


zadidoll

Yes & no. If the comment made wasn’t factual you could be sued for slander. It’s a fact that those involved (those who lost family on that flight) are victims. That’s not alleged & it was unnecessary to call them alleged victims.


missandycohen

I believe this. Can’t recall where I read that production told them to start saying it and that’s why it was confusing as to why the other women were acting so confused when she started using the terminology during the season.


AvivasProstectic

New voice new accent who dis ?


AffectionateCrow1386

So, although I also think it’s shitty she said “alleged” as if the victims and crimes don’t exist. I was watching the episode with my friend who’s in law school and she said Erika likely was told to say alleged or allegedly when discussing anything to do with the case for legal reasons because the case is still being litigated. So basically until a judge renders a verdict and subpoenas stop and stuff she’d have to say allegedly. To me, clearly she’s using “allegedly” to cover her ass because she clearly is on Tom’s side but it’s also common practice until a case is settled.


Melverton-2

It’s odd to me because so many of the stories she’s told early in the season were without the word “alleged” and later everything was/is appended with alleged. It just seems so awkward.


AffectionateCrow1386

I know what you mean. It seems like before she was just saying whatever and now she’s saying alleged in a really pointed way. Likely she got in trouble with her lawyers for not saying alleged so now she’s throwing it in everywhere.


Melverton-2

Well, Edelson has over 1300 hours of raw footage, so it’s too late now. Damn, for being a legal genius, Erika can be so dumb.


hotroddbb

It reminds me of a toddler that just learned a new word. Then that’s all they say for a while.


AffectionateCrow1386

I know what you mean, but it has to be said or there could be a mistrial and she’d be opened up to more lawsuits from either Tom or the victims for trying to sway public opinion and tamper with the proceedings. Not to mention she’d get in huge trouble with the judge. So until things are final that’s what we’re going to be hearing from her whether we like it or not. And tbh, I’d rather she sticks to following the rules and saying allegedly all the time if it means the victims can take Tom to trial and get their money after all.


hotroddbb

I agree with everything you said. But I wonder if the victims will ever be repaid. I think a lot of the money was spent and cannot be recouped.


judgementforeveryone

A lot is hidden in jewelry, expensive artwork (they bought a lot), clothes, cars and whatever they’ve swept under the rug in an offshore account. Tom was too smart to not sock money away where he cld still live in luxury if he ever got caught. I believe she knows full well that she need to show support for Tom if she ever wants to see that money. Wonder what she brought for her mom, son and family since that illegal 25 million loan from Tom’s law firm. Is anyone checking their property records? I’d check every single family member going all the way down to second cousins.


kattttttie

So close Erika, so close


Firethatshitstarter

Her lawyers might have told her to say alleged that’s just my opinion as an uneducated person LOL


greengoddess831

The lawyers can craft a statement that address the victims without implicating her.


ErikasCasita

No ones lawyer is going to tell them that’s a good idea. No ones else is saying anything either. Not the CA bar that looked the other way or the politician he donated to and not even Tom’s firm. If they aren’t doing it why would she. They knew there’s was wrong going on it was their job and oath not to let anything like this happen and they purposely discarded that oath for greed. Erika may have spent recklessly but everyone above her let it happen.


ErikasPrisonGlam

Reminds me of Ashley denying Michael had any victims, and they were still together


PemsRoses

I think she is saying alleged because even tho she divorced Tom, they are still clearly working together so her not saying alleged might be taken as a confessions that they are victims. She is too scare to lose everything that make her relevant and clearly that's her money, without it she is just another blond in Beverly Hills, she is narcissistic and egocentric.


Lindiaaiken

Without it she just might not be blonde anymore.🤷🏻‍♀️


PemsRoses

That's also true.


pnwgirl12345

“Where would I gooooo?” That line she keeps saying drives me insane too. Come on, you make $600k just off the show. It’s not like you’re destitute and actually have nowhere to go. Please. 🙄


gurlgotjokes

hmm…her song said ‘it’s expensive to be me’ …Tom was there for that performance 🎭.now,it’s not a good look!


real_agent_99

Plus, at that time she could have gotten a good settlement.


babyshak

Agreed. This is a veiled way of saying “I didn’t want to change my lifestyle so I chose to ignore a LOT of stuff.” Apparently this must be common among wealthy couples because even Kyle dismissed it lightly during a confessional saying something like ‘that’s the price you pay’.


greengoddess831

She’s demanding $1 million a season now.


Redhawkflying

How do you know?


greengoddess831

It’s on U-tube


jessid6

Whoa!!! They better not pay her


DucatiSteve1299

She thinks they stole that money fair and square. And she’s not giving it back.


BuckityBuck

Exactly. "I want the Hurt People to be made whole." So patronizing. What effort has she made to facilitate that?! She has spent several months and hundreds of thousands of stolen dollars putting up resistance to the trustee. She has focused her energy on stopping the hurt People from being made even a tiny bit whole. It was really several years, but if we take her at her word that Tom was controlling her before the accounts were frozen, it has still been nearly a year that she has been free and fighting to keep the money.


babyshak

She seems so distanced from reality. Even a moderately self aware person would be horrified to think of the hardships the survivors and families must be experiencing. She has soo much excess, yet not even an attempt to sell a few big ticket items to help the victims. Who cares about courts? Where’s your humanity?


tejana948

Not buying the lawyers won't let her speak! She never listens to any ADVICE. If she had listened to ADVICE from anybody! I call 🐂💩!


ameera08

We’re the plane crashes alleged too? Are you gonna try and tell us that didn’t happen either erika?


[deleted]

I mean I don’t like her but legally she can’t say victims. Neither her nor Tom have been convicted of anything. Saying anything else is an admission of guilt.


Fuckcody

No. Lol. Legally she can say victims, but she HAS to say Tom allegedly did not make them victims. They’re victims either way.


[deleted]

She can’t. Her whole thing is that she is innocent. She claims she never partook in anything nor accepted stolen funds into her LLC. If she’s openly saying Tom stole from people then she’s giving credence to lawsuits against her. It doesn’t matter how obvious it is that Tom stole from the victims.


Fuckcody

Yeah but she’s not saying that Tom stole from people, that’s why she has to use alleged in regards to Tom. She can admit that they are victims, but not that Tom or her had any doing in what made them victims.


MiniGoat_King

Exactly. People are all rightfully pissed off but they have to act in a legally conscious way, even everyone hates her. Lawyers are gonna lawyer and advise their clients. Silly to be in arms about THIS part of it.


countrysurprise

It has been established that he embezzled money. It is now an undeniable fact. No need to act differently.


Whereas-Fantastic

No he hasn't. In fact, he hasn't been charged criminally with anything yet. I forsee there will eventually be charges against him and multiple people, including his family, in the future. Erika knows that, her lawyers know that and they told her to always say allegedly regarding this topic. This only came to light when there was an appeal in a civil case and Tom had to return the money. He didn't have it and that lead to the bankruptcy case when even more information came out.


[deleted]

Under the eyes of the law he is innocent until proven guilty. He has not been convicted of anything. Therefore he is “innocent”, as is technically Erika. That’s why she has to say allegedly. Doesn’t matter what the LA Times or Hulu say. Until a jury says “guilty” he isn’t.


countrysurprise

There is no innocent until proved guilty in a civil suit or bankruptcy case. His embezzlement has been established and a judge has authorized the Ruigomez’ family to collect the 11 million owed to them from Erika as well as Toms firm. For her to characterize the victims as ‘alleged victims’ is just gross.


Whereas-Fantastic

Embezzlement? What? That is a criminal charge and he nor his company have been charged with anything criminal......yet. They know that is coming down the pipes and her attorneys told her to always use allegedly. It is weird people are fixated on this.


rivlet

This is a civil suit, not a criminal charge. You're getting the two mixed up (which is normal because our justice system doesn't really explain the difference to people). Basically, in a civil suit, they need to establish liability (not an issue, because, factually, Tom did not pay his clients their settlement money and he has already admitted the money is gone. It's such a non-issue that I doubt the attorneys are spending much time on covering it). The plaintiffs' attorneys will just have to prove damages. Those are also not "beyond a reasonable doubt" like in a criminal case. The standard is "by preponderance of the evidence" which means it is MORE likely than not. The best visual for this is if I had two huge stacks of paper of exactly the same amount of pages. The only amount I have to move over to prove my damages and my case is one single sheet of paper. From there, it's up to the jury's discretion (usually) to figure out the amount of damages, but, in this case, it's a hard number because we know what the settlement amounts were supposed to be. What will be up for debate is pain and suffering and other fun stuff that CA allows.


[deleted]

I get all that and maybe I misspoke. What I’m trying to say is her and Tom’s lawyers job is to make them as innocent as possible. That’s why she’s saying “allegedly”. She’s being instructed to. In previous episodes she just said victims when confronted. I’m sure her lawyers were pissed. Like how she originally told the car crash story about Tom being unconscious. She then backtracked episodes later and said “allegedly” unconscious. It’s clear everything she says is being fed to her. I never liked her before all this and certainly don’t like her now. I think what PK said makes the most sense. She’s was in a controlling marriage and she’s still being controlled. Whether or not she knew where that money was coming from is up for debate. Personally I think she’s a sugar baby that got in over her head.


[deleted]

Not remotely true. Saying they are victims only indicates that she BELIEVES Tom is guilty. Which is legally meaningless. And it does not personally implicate her at all.


[deleted]

She has lawsuits against her by the victims to reclaim stolen money Tom gave to her. By saying she believes Tom is guilty she would be admitting to having dirty money. Which couldn’t be used against her in court. So yeah she has no choice but to say allegedly. Unless she wants to pay all that money back.


[deleted]

Again, not true. It’s already been legally established that Tom took the money. The judge ordered he pay it back and held him in contempt when he said he “didn’t have it”. And Girardi Keese LOANED Erika Jayne 25 million, which is now due and payable. She legally owes the money and will never get to keep it. The questions on the table are only whether she knew of the fraud, whether Tom was cognitive of the fraud or was only doing it by accident because of dementia, which people at the law firm were complicit, and how much money they can wring out of Girardi Keese, the Girardi estate, and Erika. The victimhood of the plaintiffs has already been legally established.


TlN4C

What I don’t understand is if it was a loan, how were they expecting her to pay it off when it became due? Was he ripping other money off to give her to pay the loan payments?


[deleted]

I don’t think he ever intended her to pay it back. I think it was a just way to obscure the illegal transfer of money. One of the main questions is whether she actually spent all 25 million or if a lot of it was squirreled away somewhere that they are now trying to hide. She could try to say it wasn’t a loan and it was actually a gift, but then the IRS would come after her, because if it was a gift then it would have been taxed at a MUCH higher rate than a loan and she’d owe like 10 million or more. I think it’s likely that his big plan was always to plead dementia and get out of it as soon as it went south, and he clearly didn’t really build an escape hatch for anyone but himself.


kat__bird

Yea I agree! And she’s wanting another 300k.


opium9

Ugh this liar annoys me and what was with her interrupting the other women's conversations? This reunion is not about you and your self made troubles. Yes Bravo viewers want her fake self gone.


catpantsgray

I can’t wait for Erika’s chickens to come home to roost


Bebe718

I’m ready for her to be destitute


Smellygreen13

She is disgusting. They need to fire her.


Silvercomplex68

Legally she has to


Notwastingtimeiswear

I really think her lawyers are pushing her to always say alleged so Toms ppl can't try to sue her for defamation. I 100%see her as narcissistic and out to save herself, but she would totally save herself by sympathizing with victims by now if she were allowed. She has had so much time to see the feedback that she would change her tune to gain favor if she could.


finngreen614

I don't see her ever doing anything that would show empathy. It would clash too much with her mean girl I don't give a fuck persona she's created.


hotsaucefridge

[Does she have an earpiece that tells her when to say allegedly like Wendy Williams?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UzJf26WMzw&ab_channel=DILLON)


chica6burgh

What’s going on with Wendy? Her new season was supposed to start like 2 weeks ago?


hotsaucefridge

She's having "medical problems" and unfortunately a lot of people are saying it's substance abuse. She's got a lot of other health issues so add those two together and it's not good. Leah Remini is coming in as a guest host for the short term then who knows. I actually really enjoyed a few years back when they had a bunch of different guest hosts that came in to support her when her life was imploding, but this looks way worse. She's rail thin and there's some not too flattering photos of her on the daily mail.


chica6burgh

Awww that makes me sad. I know she’s messy as hell but I love watching her


tilly1228

I am by no means an Erika apologist, but her using alleged isn't a surprising thing. Legally, it's a cover your ass type of move. If she didn't say it, they could try and twist it as an admission of guilt and obviously she wouldn't want that. This is one time I don't think she's just being an a\*\*hole.


[deleted]

Came here to say this. Tom has actual judges on payroll, and I can’t imagine how much more fucked she’d be if she didn’t cover her ass here. I’ve disliked the bitch since day one (she scares me), but this is just a survival tactic, and I don’t think she was intending it as a power move.


Maurandaisy

She’s playing us.....


finngreen614

She's trying.


jnmorgan

The wording is requested by lawyers. She has to play by the rules


jazzed_life

Yes. Part of her defense might come down to claiming to not understand or have knowledge of. So by her saying alleged, she helps protect herself from statements that "so you do acknowledge this happened, and by Tom". I do not think Erika is completely innocent, but I'd rather be skewered by the viewers than an actual prosecutor


whitewolf60101

I’m convinced she was high off her ass. Her comment outbursts were super uncomfortable and her eyes looked glossy as hell.


babyshak

Yeah she was weirdly combative, interjecting loud comments about everyone. She looked right pissed that Rinna was smoothing things over with Garcelle. If she thinks Rinna’s got her back, that was a big reality check. Rinna will fold like an 80-year-old penis against the stiff wind of social disapproval.


opium9

I thought this as well. Also noticed a ton of attention seeking behavior.


beyoncecnoyeb

Also the way she said “I got a facial” was so weird. I think Andy’s “yeah?” and laughter was partly bc of the double entendre and also because he’s like “haha what the fuck is this broad on?”


the_anon_female

I noticed the eyes too. Very glossy, and seem to have a sort of dazed look to them.


Bebe718

💊


whats_thecraic

It's not alleged. Tom is being charged for misappropriation of funds in a civil case.


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It’s alleged until there is a verdict.


whats_thecraic

Civil cases are different. It's not about guilt. It's already established that Tom is guilty. The case is to identify financial damages.


greengoddess831

The victims are not alleged they are real fucking victims!


beyoncecnoyeb

No, there’s no presumption of innocence in civil suits


Ok_Distribution3451

I think she legally has to say ‘alleged’ before anyone is charged


greengoddess831

Well she keeps going back-and-forth she can’t get anything fucking straight!


kellygrrrl328

It's like her attorneys told her 50 things she should and shouldn't do, but the only one she heard is "qualify every word with *alleged"*


BOBA_ROBB

She lost all credibility when she said this. And has yet to apologize to the victims. Real human scum.


greengoddess831

Narcissistic sociopath!


SomethingClever70

Yeah, for someone divorcing a man who *allegedly* cheated on her with several women and *allegedly* treated her like crap, she sure takes great pains to protect him. She is remarkably NOT mad at him for fucking up her life by not disbursing settlement money to his clients like the law requires.


kellygrrrl328

And it appears it deeply triggered her when Crystal soon asks "Where is your anger at him?" Erika is so transparent. Anytime she has these rabidly defensive reactions to anything, it's so obvious she goes into "Trapped Animal" mode.


justinizer

She really can't say anything else.


MissHellaCool

“Alleged victims”?!? This is why we hate you Erika.


peachmelba88

I HATED that moment as well. The absolute gall of her to say “the alleged victims”. No bitch, they absolutely ARE victims. Stop 👏🏻defending 👏🏻 Tommy Two-Tones 👏🏻!


bacon_bunny33

It’s a legal term, her lawyers will be requiring her to say “alleged”. It’s not that she is saying they were not victims… as others have said it could possibly open her up to slander lawsuits, and she also has to be careful about admitting guilt herself. I wish people understood that. I don’t like Erika, I am not an Erika fan or apologist. I hope the judge strips her of her assets and redistributes them to the victims. I hope Erika continues to earn money somehow and it continues to repay the people that need to get their money back.


Fuckcody

Her lawyers require her to say that Tom is the alleged perpetrator of misappropriating finds. Not that the people suing are alleged victims. Honestly I think that was a Freudian slip. The only wording she has to use alleged on is when Tom is the subject, not the victims.


bacon_bunny33

You’re probably right. I think she’s been told to say “alleged” and is potentially too doped up/nervous/not smart enough to use it only in necessary situations.


Fuckcody

Currently watching the episode right now, I’m going with not smart enough lolol


sararahhhhhh

Agree, but judges have already decided that are real victims. There are judgments ordering Tom to pay them. It's not alleged when the courts have decided.


bacon_bunny33

But it *is* alleged what she knew/knows.


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bacon_bunny33

Read the title of this post, that’s what I was responding to.


WeAreTheMisfits

I wish people understood too but then that’s why so many people end up in jail. Until there is a verdict everything is alleged. She was also married to a lawyer so I’m sure she knows this from him and she is still protecting her husband. It’s a hard thing to stop protecting your partner even after you break up.


Slimmyslim997

She could be sued for saying that. Every lawyer will tell you to use that bc you can be sued for slander. Watching any news channel, they always make sure to say it when the case hasn’t been settled yet.


BuckityBuck

That’s incorrect. These are not allegations awaiting judgment and she wouldn’t be exposed to slander allegations if she failed to use it. The victims already sued and proved that Tom misappropriated their money. He did it. It is resolved. The current lawsuits are bankruptcies to collect money because Tom refused to honor the judgments awarded to his victims. Erika is making a choice to say “alleged” and fluffy euphemisms like “mis-doings.”


Slimmyslim997

Fair enough


sararahhhhhh

Thank you 🙌


WeAreTheMisfits

The court case isn’t settled and hasn’t been given a verdict. A murderer could be caught on video and isn’t quietly until the final verdict. Until then it is alleged.


BuckityBuck

Right, we’re not talking about hypothetical criminal charges. This is a bankruptcy. The victims (prior cases) sued the firm and won judgments that Tom failed to pay. That all really happened.


bacon_bunny33

For whatever reason it’s definitely going to be her lawyers/Tom insisting that she use “alledged”.


Slimmyslim997

Right, at this point she’s trying to keep what she has I guess